The absolute stupidity of sausage kerbs in open wheel racing

[@NASCARDAWGYT]

Just sounds really smart to put a launch pad on the track

[@mohammed_the_train_spotter]

If F1 cars have parasites then sure

[@solomon6082]

I’m not complaining… keep the footage coming

[@tsukiyunoda]

@weikang cai see his trick was to make his car do a barrel roll, instead of the classic throw your hands in the air and scream. I also think that the turbo boost on his car worked well

[@thesnackbandit]

@@solomon6082 Yeah who cares about the safety of these people?

[@solomon6082]

@@thesnackbandit do they care if you starve or die tomorrow? I don’t think so… why should I?

[@nikolasimonovski2053]

The fact that Flörsch is still alive today is amazing, that crash was horrifying

[@NihongoWakannai]

As well as the car that was clipped and the people behind the fence. That was a missile that luckily barely missed every person.

[@nachobroryan8824]

Apparently she was supposed to crash into that wall instead of the photographers stand. It would have made the crash soooo much better.

[@mackemforever]

And had the bravery to get back behind the wheel. She's racing full time in the European Le Mans Series.

[@Ethan-Entah]

The reaction time of the stewards stood where her car ended up was incredible

[@T0pViralVideos]

Why was she going so fast?

[@Fr3ddyM3hrCurry]

The crazy part for me are the Spinal injuries. I think those are from the initial contact with the kerb creating an enourmus vertical acceleration damaging the spine and possibly the neck. So porpoising in F1 that may cause spinal injuries when the cars bottom out is not fine but sausage kerbs bottoming the car out and causing multiple spinal injuries in the past is no problem? I beg you pardon

[@Siris6771]

It's likely a combination of the initial bump unsettling the driver in the seat, then the landing bottoming out the suspension and basically slamming the driver spine first into a rock

[@Fr3ddyM3hrCurry]

@@Siris6771 Exactly Sausage kerbs create in opposite to other crashes a vertical colision instead of a horizontal one. The crash structure is not made for that and there fore the risk of injury is greatly increased

[@UnseenMenace]

@@Siris6771 that's exactly what happened to Abbie Eaton, it was slamming down on the ground that did the damage.

[@rbutthamilton]

Also the drivers are not really “sitting” but actually close to lying down inside the cockpit. Hence their spine is very vulnerable to the shear force from major bumps.

[@FAB1150]

@@rbutthamilton exactly, it's like getting dropped back first into asphalt. The seats aren't soft either

[@hersencell6880]

I don’t know how they weren’t removed in 2018 after that crash in Macau. That crash was horrible.

[@TheLibermania]

But was that really because of a sausage kerb?

[@theraxo1137]

@@TheLibermania he had already lost control but the reason he flew instead of crashing in the barrier is the sausage Kerb

[@Harvick29ism]

@@theraxo1137 No she didn't...

[@loekhabets8698]

@@Harvick29ism If you look closely, she's already backwards and one wheel is off the car before she hits the kerb. The kerb then launched her over the fence.

[@diegoleonardia5358]

@@loekhabets8698 She was already gaining some air. The Kerb just guaranteed she would hit the catch fence and cause a much bigger crash than it shouldve really been

[@Goroh35]

They´re removing gravel traps because "too dangerous", and then they put these ramps there. The sheer insanity of it.

[@emenesu]

Gravel traps are bad too. Sausage kerbs seem way more violent and unpredictable though, they also need to go asap.

[@go-awayyy123]

that's what's most infuriating by this - and on top, we have the "hey , you've exceeded track limits. this is a warning". fucking put gravel there and forget about warnings. they dip their wheels because they push too much? they'll be slowed down by default.

[@H43N]

gotta make the tracks baby state for f1 drivers who cant use the brakes properly.

[@casey7128]

​@@go-awayyy123 Gravel is pretty dangerous to, Schumacher's crash being an example and dont forget MotoGP races. Also you dont want it so close that it could get on the track.

[@go-awayyy123]

@@casey7128 sure, but these curbs create more problems than they solve. At the end of the day, they're racing hunks of carbon and metal around a circuit - there will always be danger.

[@robertdefoe2396]

They'll only get rid of these damned kerbs when someone gets killed.

[@mikealman9259]

Yep, I'm sure it's a case of turning a blind eye due to the cost involved UNTIL someone dies as a result THEN It's a knee-jerk over reaction hastily cobbled together.

[@dan1k-123]

and then by that point its already too late, when they could’ve changed them before and prevent that driver from losing their life

[@satolatifi24]

I dont believe it, what did FIA did after Hubert crash? Nothing

[@QwoaX]

Or someone gets injured by them in F1. The sole reason they haven't been removed from all tracks is that in F1 there wasn't any injury related to sausage kerbs, YET.

[@NotTheComicHare]

Will they though?

[@moritzl4024]

Wtf. The Macau one just looks completely surreal. The car shot like a rocket over the barrier. Amazing that she survived this and even more amazing that the many marshals standing were the impact was survived (I assume)

[@jimmyhopkinsman]

Seriously. My gf came across that clip on TikTok and I immediately said it was fake because I didn’t believe something like that would actually happen. It’s scary to think all of these incidents were as a result of a ‘safety precaution’ put in place across these racetracks. I see no reason why any of these corners needed sausage kerbs placed around them, that corner especially as there appears to to be no advantage gained by hugging the inside line that tightly.

[@m_swizzy22]

The thing that saved her life is the fact her head actually ended up in the gap where the camera posts were behind that aluminum “box” that the car hit, there is a gap perfectly where her head went. Hand of God helped her survive that. Any higher or lower and the outcome would be tragic.

[@tarettime9392]

It's cause she had a brake failure and hit the corner essentially full speed. The sausage kerb actually only lifted her into the top of the other car and she shot off the car up into the bunker

[@aszhara2900]

On TV, you saw cars barreling down the long straight, and all of a sudden there was a flash of red zooming past the corner in the back for a few frames, with yellow flags following right afterwards. The commentator essentially went "Yellow flags are out, I'm sure they will go away soon, doesn't look like a big.. oh." The fact that she crashed into the fence first, landing with her head exactly between the two barriers is beyond insane. One of the Marshalls had extreme luck as well, forgot what it was tho.

[@jasmine.rchrds]

​@@aszhara2900i think he got hit by a metal pole and was unhurt.

[@dappergenesis822]

We did it guys! We solved drivers going off track by hurling them meters into the air and into the grandstands while fracturing their spines, but we stopped track limit infringements!

[@daniellaki9761]

I can imagine FIA thinking the exact same way

[@JOBAVALONDONONLY420]

I mean now they don't go off tack but literally off track

[@benmahdjoubharoun1467]

because the cars are too big and they don't want them to stop even if it gets the driver to somewhere six feet under.

[@exoticspeedefy7916]

The plan is that they will jump over the other drivers and save a collision

[@ATruckCampbell]

Cant exceed track limits if you are not on the track.

[@DicraeoF1]

Yeah, they removed the far safer gravel traps and replaced them by literal ramps. Great job FIA.

[@SpaaaaceMaan]

It's almost like the FIA is a corrupt organisation that makes changes based on profit rather than safety, like holding an F1 race in a warzone because a major sponsor wanted the race to take place. The FIA should be barred from all motorsport and leave safety regulations to individual governing bodies. They do not conduct themselves professionally nor do they do ANYTHING to improve motorsport nor its safety. They exist because they make a lot of money. That's all they do, I fkn wish more people saw through their BS.

[@TS020RaceCar99]

Also shoutout to FIA for swapping my fanzones from 4 wheel racing fan to 2 wheel racing fan

[@BENTAYGA2]

FIA is corrupted See ‘21

[@ZVPieGuy]

Gravel traps are not safe. Obviously these curbs are not either, but we shouldn't be begging them to bring back a different unsafe feature just because we don't like this one.

[@DicraeoF1]

@@ZVPieGuy Gravel traps are not safe, because ... ?

[@RDGamer321]

I remember when NASCAR went to the Indianapolis Road Course and a single corner with a raised curb single handedly took out a dozen cars over the course of the race.

[@anonymoususer8591]

The Xfinity series (f2 equivalent for NASCAR) race on that Saturday had a curb in place on the outside of that same corner. It launched 5-6 cars on lap 1 of their race. The curb was taken out the night before the cup series race.

[@Jorge.Painkiller]

and NASCAR has 40 cars on the grid each race, so they loosen a bit more with track limits and wrecking there is much easier, a sausage kerb there would be ridiculously dangerous

[@jedr.3494]

Talking about last year's race?

[@Jorge.Painkiller]

@@jedr.3494 Not exactly, just saying how much worse races would be with sausage kerbs in NASCAR and much more dangerous

[@JustaGuy1250]

that was because the kerb came loose, entirely unrelated to sausage kerbs

[@Iangamebr]

We had big problems with sausage curbs in WEC this weekend too, sausage curbs or tall curbs in general should be banned in every track. So fucking dumb.

[@luca.martino]

confirm, i was actually there in the grandstand and was kinda scary to see that car flying, this is fucking stupid

[@Iangamebr]

@@luca.martino yeah, anything that can make a car go airborne shouldn't be in the track. Who would've thought!?

[@grumpytuber]

agree, it’s absolute madness.

[@bert1981]

Fucking stupidly to the think the kerbs are any issue

[@bikerboy3k]

How do you prevent people from cutting.

[@jessetaylor4357]

If they really want to police track limits then they should install sensors on every track going forward like all sausage kerbs do is put drivers at risk for no reason so they must go

[@CristanioPeweyyy]

sensors would sometimes glitch and give wrong info. Have flag flaps, that get slapped away when the car hits them.

[@pyl19]

@@CristanioPeweyyy thats a good idea

[@Mirko____]

@@CristanioPeweyyy You could easily automate track limit detection with cameras. No need for mechanical parts or sensors that are buried inside the track. Then notify the stewards upon detection and you can review track limit violations within a few seconds.

[@Mirko____]

Also, seeing how terrible qualifying in Austria was to watch, you could automatically put a warning behind a driver's lap time, if a track limit violation was detected but not yet reviewed by the stewards. This would make it so much better for the viewers.

[@thijsssstoer332]

@@Mirko____ the should just put grass or gravel next to to track. France quali will be even worse i think

[@Synapse835]

2014: "The FIA will be very concerned about that" uhhhh so that was a fucking lie

[@101jir]

Sad trombone plays for the announcer

[@QwoaX]

I think we should replace sausage kerbs with Mario-Kart-style ramps. Those would be less dangerous.

[@user-ut5hy4im9v]

😂

[@jgraaay18]

I mean, judging by all the airborne cars, they basically already are Mario Kart ramps.

[@exidrial431]

The sausages at Monza for example just really irritate me. Some of them are placed exactly where you'd run off into when braking to late. I never understood why you'd place something that unsettles the car heavily on a racetrack. Hit those things at speed and you'll certainly lose control. There must be better and safer ways to stop drivers from cutting the track.

[@nozza2495]

I agree 100% they should just give drivers time penalties like they always have. Time penalties don't turn cars into planes and damage spines.

[@propapanda4557]

well the french gp has the solution to some degree, just make run off areas the slow cars down massively

[@zelkuta]

The t1 monza curb is just so extremely dumb that I'm almost convinced it's there more spectacle than anything else. If you remove that kerb and you have drivers cutting across the apex of t1 the worst that happens in that two cars can more reliably go side-by-side into t1, which makes for better racing.

[@TangoNevada]

@@propapanda4557 There needs to be something in between. Because the French GP can be a yawn. Hopefully with the new cars, this year will be different. If nothing else the extreme heat may really effect the race.

[@iigdgocydiyoch2929]

But for example Turn 4 in Monza requires sausage kerbs. Drivers here cut the shicane and accelerate quickly, sausage kerbs requires for driver to go slower when cutting shicane, not faster. For me sausage kerbs it's better than metal barrier, but sausage kerbs in parabolica is useless

[@Thunderbolt479]

Flörsch's one was crazy. When I saw the impact, I immediately said "HOLY SHIT". That was a crazy crash.

[@MPal24]

The FIA definitely have a more lax attitude to safety than they once had. I think they've become overconfident again in how safe open-wheel racing is - like they were prior to 1994. At this point, with all the evidence we have of how dangerous these kerbs can be, they're clearly unwilling to do anything until someone dies. And they will. The Alex Peroni and Sophia Florsch crashes are horrendous, but luckily, they survived. At some point, someone will have a similar crash and they won't.

[@ciaranmcguinness8900]

Just like it took until Jules bianchi was killed for the halo to be brought in, even Hamilton ridiculed it on social media when it was first suggested

[@Skumtomten1]

Speed limits need to be introduced, max 100mph on the straights to combat dangerous driving. Even remote controlled cars is a great suggestion to ensure all drivers are kept safe.

[@zach7099]

@@ciaranmcguinness8900 incredible that you mention Hamilton who simply called it the ugliest modification in F1 history and said it's "not the one" because he prefered the Red Bull designed windscreen/halo. Instead of Max who literally said "it's not necessary. There has to be a certain amount of risk involved." If we listened to Lewis, we'd have the RB windscreen. If we listened to Max, we'd have multiple drivers including possibly him very injured or dead.

[@Retr0Static]

@@Skumtomten1 at that point, what's the difference between normal motorsport and esport? We have to accept that there will obviously be a danger to racing, but arbitrary speed limits or remote control is not the way to counter the dangers

[@robinthebobin6537]

Yep, I hated your comment when I first read it - because I had a horrible gut feeling that you are 100% right. It just feels like one part of safety has been nailed (survival cell and halo), but they're missing a collossal factor of the sausage kerbs which are lethal. So many of these incidents aren't really seen as a big deal, because things like the halo saved the day and saved the drivers (so it can be heralded as a win for the halo, rather than a warning sign about the kerbs). Don't get me wrong, I absolutely love the halo. But the FIA can't expect it to prevent everything. One of these days, the kerbs will create an incident that the halo isn't able to help, and that could easily be a fatal accident.

[@yourDecisi0n]

I mean it's great you want to avoid drivers to cut the corner, but I'm sure there are safer ways. You could easily create a little grass/gravel pit right where the original sausage kerb was or make a pit rather than a kerb out of it. That way no car is launched nor damaged

[@gp75motorsports]

Or put special emphasis on those corners during the drivers' meeting so drivers know not to cut them. Gravel traps really should only be used at the ends of straights where out-of-control cars absolutely must be stopped befor they hit the wall imo.

[@tiddy671]

gravel can just as easily damage the car, but yea a LOT safe

[@yourDecisi0n]

@@tiddy671 These sausage kerbs do too, so I guess gravel would be the better choice in that regard, but I also prefer grass or something else

[@Bombert54]

@@resign3139 yeah but on some tracks like silverstone or red bull ring the kerbs wont mess with the car

[@brodyplaysthebaritone]

just give 'em a penalty. and replace the kerb with something that has maybe like a 1 inch height or less

[@crispy2902]

Florsch Macau 2018 was one of the most fkn insane crashes ive ever seen, glad the crash wasn't lethal but from a spectators pov it looked absolutely brutal.

[@after_midnight9592]

By launching the car into the air and safety cage, it was softer stop than hitting the solid red-white barriers and marshalls behind them.

[@griffinfaulkner3514]

​@@after_midnight9592No, it wasn't. The angle of that crash meant that none of the car's impact structures came into play, and Sophia was literal inches away from taking a metal structure to the head. Those "solid" barriers are also designed to reduce impact forces, they're not just concrete blocks.

[@adamor32]

not just open wheelers though. A Aston in WEC got his door smashed off at \\\monza due to a sausage kerb. Hopefully FIA look into getting these ramps removed

[@ufva8029]

Hamilton gets hurt by porpoising FIA: we will look at this problem Several drivers gets almost killed by sausage kerbs FIA: ...

[@Lastname6955]

If you want to stop people cutting corners, then put a bollard. If they hit it, 5 second penalty.

[@AKK5I]

I've just had a thought, why don't they make a bollard trap? Hahah imagine a sea of bollards and safety cones in the middle of the track, you certainly WILL see that and it will cause damage or slow your car down considerably if you're going too fast through it

[@Hello7488to]

About to start my flying lap Kerb: Okay!

[@neosonixyz]

Peroni's crash was horrifying. The way it landed at an angle to the edge of the barrier around the cockpit area must have been insanely scary. Why on earth is there a sausage kerb there, or anywhere for that matter? And holy shit the Macau crash was awful

[@GRSZiik]

The FIA made the decision that the penalty for running wide at Parrabolica is death; because they're idiots. They bang on about safety, but they aren't that interested. Miami F1 weekend, they were banging on and on about Lewis's nose stud and "safety implications", despite Sainz and Ocon having 52G crashes at the same place, into a solid concrete wall, and the FIA doing exactly nothing to mitigate the potential for more of the same.

[@hubbsllc]

This is flatly insane. The drivers need to stand together and show some leadership like Senna did over safety issues. We were doing so well with making racing accidents walk-away-safe and now cars are flying around like missiles.

[@sebo8872]

Flat curb - grass - asphalt - gravel - tire barrier. You go too wide, grass sends you out and no gravel is on track. Also you don't get stuck immediately due to the asphalt.

[@GlitchNectar]

Hadn’t seen that Flörsch crash before. Absolutely crazy

[@aaron_ow]

It's not even restricted to open wheel racing, several times this has occured in Porsche cup, Nascar track days, even DTM. These incidents happen time and time again but no change, which worries me to think, do we really need a fatality for any action to be taken place?

[@JMak02]

They’re too aggressive, i think the tracks should go back to more gravel traps and less asphalt runoff but i get it’s not always possible for a number of reasons

[@superphonixlp4152]

Because the tracks want to be attractive for all kinds of racing series, like racing bikes too. They sadly, but understandably, don’t run on tracks with gravel traps.

[@JMak02]

@@superphonixlp4152 doesn’t moto gp race at silverstone like this Sunday? Lots of gravel there.

[@JMak02]

@@superphonixlp4152 just checked the Moto 2, Moto 3, Moto GP schedule for this year. They all race at tracks with lots of gravel traps such as Silverstone, Sepang, Barcelona, Mugello, others.

[@JMak02]

@@superphonixlp4152 i figured it’s mainly not possible due to track owners not being able to purchase the required land to make enough runoff because of money, zoning, or whatever so instead they install a chicane with sausage kerbs to slow the racing down. It was the “quick and easy” solution more than anything.

[@NihongoWakannai]

Aspahlt is generally just the safest option, but there needs to be a system to penalize shortcuts. Sausages are obviously absolutely the wrong way.

[@SixJayy]

Imagine someone flying over a sausage kerb, fracturing vertebrae, their car catching fire, and them not being able to get out because of their broken back. It hasn't happened, but it's a very much possible scenario. Get these things off of race tracks please.

[@CobaltZ_hans]

The scary part is just how much damage hitting the sausage kerb can cause. Look at Abbie's hit, it doesn't look like a big hit, but she completely broke her back.

[@Agentporpoise]

I had never thought I'd see something as bad as Bobby Allison blowing a tire in the tri oval but holy shit that Sophia flösch crash is BRUTAL

[@daybrake2]

hopefully in 5 years we look back on sausage kerbs and wonder how they were ever allowed in the first place

[@H43N]

f1 drivers arent good enough to stay on track. gotta make it easier for them.

[@quackodemon9822]

Hopefully it doesn't require a fatality or lifelong injury for that to happen either

[@IStMl]

@@H43N damn so how many times did you race in an F1 ?

[@H43N]

@@IStMl I've won as many as russell

[@Poodz_]

@@H43N None of these crashes have happened because of a driver deliberately cutting the track (Except maybe Verstappen on Hamilton, though Verstappen was squeezed into it when Lewis shut the door). They've usually lost control first, were involved in another incident, were avoiding another incident or had some sort of car failure.

[@god1hcap]

We have another example today. I hope FIA will do something for these kerbs

[@SpaaaaceMaan]

Only if it pays well. The FIA exists for profit, not safety. People always forget that. Don't forget the F1 race held in a warzone because a major sponsor wanted it.

[@FAB1150]

Sausage kerbs are so stupid. Slowing drivers down if they go off track is obviously OK, making them risk spinal and neck injuries that could possibly ruin their whole life isn't

[@DaGuys470]

To be fair gravel traps can be dangerous too, if you remember Fernando Alonso's crash at Australia in 2016

[@SpaaaaceMaan]

@@DaGuys470 They can be dangerous, but the potential is lower than a sausage kerb. They are overall, in every regard, a safer alternative to speed humps/ramps.

[@DaGuys470]

@@SpaaaaceMaan Indeed

[@CanadaKingracing]

Stupid thing about the second one in Monza is that the sausage kerb is literally in the run off area… just like in turn 1

[@carminealfano6703]

,867

[@thepsychologist8159]

@@carminealfano6703 "the sausage kerb is literally in the run off area" - One could argue, why the hell is the driver going out that far?

[@Killerpixel11]

@@thepsychologist8159 It's called a mistake. He should be punished for it, with a warning and/or time penalty...but not with potential paralysis, for no reason.

[@thepsychologist8159]

@@Killerpixel11 "but not with potential paralysis, for no reason" - Had he maintained his line from the pits and after the blend line, the incident wouldn't have occurred in the first place. Hamilton put himself in the way of harm.

[@Killerpixel11]

@@thepsychologist8159 We're talking about different Monza incidents then. I was referring to Peroni.

[@josecamacho5522]

Not just in Open wheel, some eres ago an Aston Martin Vantage at Monza, Lost the braking point hit the kerb with the right aide, the door flew like a ticket and the car did some barrel rolls

[@ryancusimano5892]

That was just a week or two ago

[@sitramaybe]

There’s no way they had all of those injuries and they STILL haven’t removed them? What is the FIA waiting on a death?!?

[@bibhushanrajthala]

The FIA may have done many things to bring safety but this kerbs literally makes a killer ramp in a 300 mph track

[@SugarFreeLatte]

The fact that these kerbs have almost killed over 10 drivers INCLUDING F1s only 100 time race winner just last year and they refuse to remove them goes to show a lot in how the FIA is run Update: 1:44 I'm sorry WHAT?!? That is by FAR the worst accident I have ever seen

[@ReVDeatH]

It is a fucking ramp. Sausage kerbs have to go.

[@H43N]

drivers almost kill themselves by not knowing how to stay on track

[@nealmiller7849]

@@H43N You're a terrible person, good luck

[@Nut-ei6iw]

@@H43N Yeah, lets injure drivers and cause major damage to vehicles because of track limits because you don't know any other ideas.

[@H43N]

@@Nut-ei6iw they arent good drivers. they had to make the track in singapore easier for them. shame

[@epicgamingchannel318]

if the fia doesn't want people cutting corners, just remove the kerb and give them a five second penalty, ya don't need to kill a driver or waste thousands and thousands of the teams money. it's fucking simple

[@cjmsaracingnetwork5937]

More recently in American open wheel racing, in indycar’s highest 2 feeder series, Indy lights and Indy pro 2000, 2 drivers went airborne in the entrance to turn 5 at road america Lindsay brewer in the Indy pro 2000 race kzbin.info/www/bejne/nKaTqJZ7r7xlhM0(on the first lap of the race on the video) Christian Bogle in the Indy lights race(he went into the fence) kzbin.info/www/bejne/eZ26d4R7f5iFjMk

[@Septimus_ii]

In 2014 it was recognised as a serious issue that needed to be urgently fixed. It's now 2022 and there have been a lot more spinal injuries

[@iBoss818]

The FIA introducing sausage curbs: "Gentlemen, I may not have a brain, but I have an idea"

[@ArtyI]

Drivers have been injured and some could have been killed without other safety equipment. And to correct the video, Lewis did suffer some injuries to his neck following the accident with Verstappen and could have had his neck broken had the Halo not been there. It's been an issue for years, and the longer it goes on the more the FIA tempts fate. If a driver dies they'll be removed anyway, so let's save the fucking heartbreak

[@deskaijitor9423]

It's not just open wheel, they had one of those on the indy course for the nascar xfinity race last year, it destroyed so many cars. They actually removed it from the track for the cup race because of how the xfinity race went.

[@robinthebobin6537]

Time and time again in this video (for the crashes since 2018), we can clearly see that the halo and other survival cell tech has saved a driver's life in the event of an utterly brutal incident. That's all well and good, and I agree that the halo is bloody awesome in every way, but soon enough one of these sausage kerb incidents will happen where the halo isn't able to prevent a fatality (or an injury like permanent paralysis which could have happened in the accidents involving spinal fractures). And it's all because of the atrociously dangerous sausage kerbs. Yes, the halo is fantastic, but we can't let the FIA get away with taking all the praise for that, then continuing to authorise deadly kerbs like the ones involved in this video. Survival cell tech, helmets, fireproof suits, roll hoops, seatbelts, HANS, the halo, you name it, these things are all amazing and have saved countless lives no doubt. They are brilliant for making racing safer in the event of collisions etc, and crazy stuff that would have resulted in a brutal deaths (e.g Grosjean's crash). But a lot of these have literally no use when it comes to a car literally flying at 100mph because of a ramp on the track. If a marshall, or a cameraman, or a group of fans get killed by a flying missile (which is what a car essentially becomes in the air), will they care how safe the cockpit is in an on track collision or a heavy crash into a barrier? I'd say probably not. I know this sounds a bit morbid, but I'm glad the Nissany incident happened in a way, because now the sausage kerbs have had seemingly a 10000% spike in public discussion, which is a good thing. With all the chat from people high up in media and F1 teams and the millions of fans online seeing these videos, hopefully something will be changed pretty soon

[@GRSZiik]

Absolutely. The Hauger-Nissany crash was perfect. No injuries to either driver (except a little soreness) and it places sausage 'ramps' front and centre in most people's minds. Max vs Lewis last year was so tribal, Monza made everyone blame one or the other, without really noticing the sausage being what caused Max's car to react in that way and, were it not for the Halo, probably kill Lewis. With this, the sausage kerb would have 100% resulted in Nissany's death if it wasn't for the Halo being an absolute baller.

[@robinthebobin6537]

@@GRSZiik Oh of course, fully agreed on the Lewis, Max thing. Whether it's a racing incident or EVEN if it's slightly one of their fault (I thought it was just a racing incident from them both pushing too hard in an intense battle), the focus should be on how the car went in the air like it did. I couldn't care less which car was in the air or who was at fault, I'm just glad they were both ok. An incident like Max vs Lewis at Monza shouldve played out like this: The drivers are pushing hard, they push too close to each other at the corner and one guy goes off the track like a few metres, and they both get a bit of damage to their cars or something as a result of slight misjudgement from both drivers. Maybe someone gets a penalty etc. But what actually happened: two drivers pushed each other too close in the corner, Max goes off track only literally like a couple metres, then gets catapulted into the air, putting him at risk, then sending his car towards Lewis's head. Both cars retire, and both drivers are lucky to get out unscathed. Hopefully there'll be a massive reconsidering of safety in F1 track design pretty soon

[@halofreak1990]

@@GRSZiik The halo prevented much worse in the Verstappen/Hamilton crash, as Hamilton's head was actually hit by Max's rear wheel and he would've probably have been killed if the halo hadn't been there to carry the weight of the Red Bull. I think we can all be glad Hamilton came away from the incident with only a sore neck.

[@GRSZiik]

@@halofreak1990 Without the Halo, we would have had decapitation in F2 this year. That would have been the front wing of a flying car direct to a drivers head. Yeah, the Halo prevented Lewis having at least life changing injuries if not life ending ones, but that wasn't my point. It was a bad crash, but Lewis fans were too busy blaming Max and Max fans were too busy blaming Lewis to see it for what it was - Max being a little overly aggressive but the sausage kerbs being the main reason it could have ended in tragedy

[@exodeus7959]

I mean…technically a car flying through the air with no propulsion system is following projectile motion. Not really a missile. But yeah. I agree. The world has been going “full retard” these days. 2024 election run in the USA is sure to follow that trajectory.

[@thomas316]

Grass and gravel traps work really well, I don't understand why more tracks don't use them to enforce track limits. 🤷🏻‍♂️

[@Appletank8]

The one valid concern is that it’s really bad to have gravel traps for motor bike racing, makes it way more likely for a driver to launch themself out of their seat if they make a mistake.

[@fafiteee]

a mixed approach would be ideal imo, grass/gravel right next to the track to punish track limits but concrete after for safety

[@gatosapimentados2281]

Just use the thing in paul ricard

[@brskywalker14]

They already got rid of those yellow mini sausage kerbs a few years ago, which also broke cars, so it’s time for them to remove these bigger ones as well.

[@Ixxlostinabox]

I don't understand why Monza even has the sausage curb in that spot in the first clip, it looks so out of place, it's like they had a little bit of leftover material and just chucked it somewhere random.

[@RandomGuy37]

Apparently there was a lot of concern about track limits violations at Parabolica ahead of the Italian GP, so some absolute 200 IQ genius at FIA decided that they should slap a bloody sausage kerb there to enforce track limits. What could possibly go wrong? Thankfully they removed it after the F3 race

[@Geewee28h]

I Didnt think it was a sausage kerb that caused that accident I thought ot was a drain cover or something.

[@Killerpixel11]

@@Geewee28h No, Peroni was absolutely the sausage kerb. They removed it for the sessions afterwards as a result of this.

[@deathbylust700]

The Macau one gave me heart palpitations. Thats scary af

[@youtubeuser987]

You should include Will Power breaking his back at Sonoma, i think that too was a sausage kerb (non-FIA though)

[@FekalKilla]

Put gravel back or sand trap. No need for full gravel traps like used to be. Just 2 meters wide, right after the white lines are. Cars will stay in track bounds and there will be proper punishment for corners cutting.

[@Killerpixel11]

Nah, Gravel is lethal for bike races. Just grass, which will run drivers wide no matter what. Then some asphalt as a runoff, THEN some gravel to stop absolutely massive offs before the wall.

[@FekalKilla]

@@Killerpixel11 thats true as I was not thinking about bike races. Then I guess its time to divide tracks between bikes and 4 wheels "cars". Otherwise this track limits etc will not stop

[@daniellaki9761]

@@Killerpixel11 there is gravel literally everywhere on every MotoGP track

[@Ellipsis115]

1:37 You can't see it from the wide angle but in the close ups you see that the floor would've hit the drivers head dead on without the halo. Similar for the hamilton incident and those are just the ones I know. Also a couple of these those behind the railings only survived by pure luck.

[@stankfaust814]

excellent collection of videos illustrating the hazard that sausage curbs pose on the racetrack. I am all for their removal from course corners. there has to be a better transition from track to getting launched 20' in the air.

[@-row-garfield3129]

I've to disagree. The first two clips were just a display of stupid driving. Hauling ass, instead of slowing down while off track and therefor provoking a crash. It's only because drivers nowadays can't accept they've made a mistake and have left track. These curbs become a hazard when you can't control how you hit them, agreed, but this is the design flaw of todays racetracks, asphalt run offs. And no, track limit penalties are not a better solution. As a viewer you wan't, you need to see imidiate 'punishment' from the track when going of it, not a decision that can take forever or a penalty which often proves worthless.

[@SladesShitboxGarage]

I was at COTA last year. I was sat in the T2 grandstand on Saturday and Sunday. I watched every session that weekend, and never knew about Eaton being launched over the sausage Kerbs until now.

[@marv6973]

Amazing that these kerbs are still a feature. I could see there could be a case for willful negligence if a fatality or very serious incident resulted from an accident involving these kerbs. It doesn't bear thinking about a car being launched into a spectator stand. DON'T PUT RAMPS ON A RACE TRACK.

[@satolatifi24]

Imagine what the guys behind Peroni where thinking when they saw a car flying

[@rookie2321]

Bro if drivers corner cut, just give them penalties straight away, putting these things are a death trap, even if the drivers could slow down it still gonna launch them

[@101jir]

The 2018 one at Macau felt like a meme about videogame physics. Did not expect that one!

[@zzzzxxxxxz6017]

I’d rather someone get a track limit penalty than hit a sausage curb and die

[@telager]

The video at 2 minute in wasn't caused by a sausage curb i've seen this accident from several different angles, he actually rides over the back of another car and flys into what I believe is press Box and marshals area. Crazy to think no one was killed it was very lucky...

[@Madhuntr]

now we really know why they made the Halos.

[@ayoutubechannel7143]

If Mario Kart has taught me anything they should've been doing tricks off the kerbs for a speed boost

[@jamesfleming4919]

Holy shit these were almost comically bad 00:13 01:38 01:50 (how is he alive) 02:40 (just did not look real)

[@mukke9728]

Regarding 1:50: She actually had to undergo some serious procedures. And then stepped back into a racing car around 9 months later. She really was on a good way to the top single seater series at that time. I am afraid it is not going to happen for her anymore, though.

[@adamlury6443]

I dont understand what they were thinking when they made sausage curbs. "Oh you went a little wide or missed a breaking zone or had mechanical trouble not allowing you to stop. Well instead of just runoff area that safely stops the car we are going to send you to fucking space with a broken spine"

[@LS-Moto]

"perhaps if you fly outside of the track area, we won't need a safety car or yellow... and, as you fly up high in the air, more people will see you sponsors, which means $$$"

[@sovietman2591]

I remember the Verstappen and Hamilton Mona’s crash last year and I screamed “Why would you put curbs on a racetrack that will launch your race car.” Let’s all be glad the halo did its job or else Hamilton and a number of other drivers would either be paralyzed or dead from from these types of incidents.

[@oreofudgeman]

To be honest I always felt like nobody was actually at fault for that accedent because of how much space the sausage kerb takes up on that first chicaine. Its just not enough racing room at all.

[@Ciaoandrea999]

@@oreofudgeman fr fr

[@erikzodan9459]

Nissany Hauger is absolutely ridiculous. A passenger from 5 seconds before, straight into the cockpit. Halo deserved all the credit there.

[@combatwombat594]

2:13 it WAS NOT the kerb that caused the incident between Max and Lewis, it was Max's terrible driving that season, as shown MANY other times...

[@loveisblindness1352]

False

[@combatwombat594]

@@loveisblindness1352 Keep sucking Max's dick, fan boy. He caused all but one of their incidents last year

[@Mr2Helios]

Well, there are around 15 open wheel series that cumulatively have around 15K laps a year. So even around 50 crashes a year will still be well within risk assessment guidelines.

[@banysyahban27]

Its even dangerous with gt3 cars

[@Chimmysaurus]

The accident of Sophia remembers me that of María de Villota. Both horrible, both survive, but Maria finally died a year after because of neurological complications from the accident.

[@gionnbharra]

How can they think prioritising track limits over driver safety is a good idea

[@Grexen-bo6zp]

These kerbs needs to be gone ASAP. But I guess they won’t take them away unless it kills someone.

[@observantmonkey4055]

this is gonna go really really bad one day.

[@Ixxlostinabox]

It has gone really really bad already, we shouldn't have to wait for someone to die for changes to be made.

[@sanchezking6188]

They’re ditching gravel traps so that you don’t need a proper racetrack anymore and can go to random cities instead ($$$), but then install things that launch cars into surrounding buildings of said cities.

[@jamesmcmasters9392]

They need to use land mine or lasers if you go over the line

[@MAL9000.]

Simple solution: 1. Hamilton should paint all the sausage kerbs pride colour on Thursday night 2, Ben-Sulaymen would be trigged because he doesn't like rainbow people and would remove all sausage kerbs by FP1 3. ??? 4. PROFIT! Lives are saved, LGBT people are happy because of Lewis' actions (more meaningful than #weraceasone) and couch experts can now enjoy wheel to wheel racing

[@MaksB.]

Well one thing, that first incident wasn't caused by a kerb...

[@valpodesideromontoya2097]

Ah right now i see it, it's obviously a cucumber.

[@ynot6473]

@@valpodesideromontoya2097 it looks like something behind the kerb, after the car takes off there looks to be a hole or shallow pit of some kind. most of the pieces left behind are the covers for it.

[@ngumin]

@@ynot6473 If you had read any news article about the incident you would know that it is 100% a sausage kerb man people and their conspiracy theories these days 🤦‍♂️

[@CD_15.]

I just think that the FIA keep them to entertain their children when a car goes absolutely flying so the kid says “hehe car go weeeeee!”

[@chrisnielsen5287]

Crazy how the sausages curbs are the perfect Launch ramp for cars. I’m sure some nitro circus performers would love these in their shows, probably give them more lift than actual ramps do 😂😂😭😭

[@tomlademann2521]

Better alternative would probably be 1-2cm ripple curbs, with 10 of them next to each other.

[@LautaroQ2812]

What happened to Florsch? What I mean is, everyone was going in a train, on a right hander at certain speed, but she happened to just fly by launched into the air.

[@_fRobertfraurf]

Yellows flashed and she couldn't avoid the car in front, so she hit the car, started sliding out of control, and hit a sausage curb sideways at ~180 kmh. There is a pretty detailed video on here. And i think even she explained it on her yt channel

[@内田ガネーシュ]

0:21 1:38 2:01 2:27 A round of applause to the Halo, the guardian angel for Formula drivers everywhere.

[@SandraudigaVali]

that was the first time I saw that Macau crash and holy shit the absolute speed of it has me shook

[@Strekki]

That is honestly so sick that they'd put them on the track, I don't watch racing outside of supercross, but why would you want to punish drivers physically like this, the speeds they're going seem like they could kill someone on impact even if it's on a turn, so brutal.

[@RezaXGWB]

Sausage Kerb: i sleep Max, doing post-race burnout: REAL SCHITE!

[@byakugan641]

"We FiA always making sure drivers are always safe, and in danger" probably

[@Podcast_F.C]

Not even in an alternate universe would this be genius.

[@ChadDidNothingWrong]

I just love my random leisure activities to be full of drunk driving PSA's.

[@brianrigsby7900]

1:38 thank god for the halo!!!! That would’ve been nasty!!! At least it might’ve been painless…maybe, I don’t know

[@jwel]

FIA: We put these in place to prevent drivers abusing track limits. Everyone: What if they are pushed or lose control at high speed? FIA: Yes

[@x8laye4r]

FIA: We make the cars slower for the drivers safety, but we don't care about sausage kerbs.

[@stargazer2312]

Ruben Barichello almost died at Imola in 1994 because of a sausage kerb

[@Dragon4eva]

Hauger gets pushed off by Nissany, somehow manages to return the favour mid jump, without anyone else getting involved.

[@penguinboy4836]

It’s not just recent years. A lot of people don’t remember the sausage kerbs at the old Singapore sling chicane

[@andresilvasophisma]

First one was not a sausage kerb, was a loose drain cover.

[@melzeebub92]

Alex Peroni crash wasn't caused by a sausage kerb. It was a poorly fitted drain cover on the edge of the track which lifted when he drove over and flipped him like that one robot from robot wars

[@dwightschrute782]

I wasn’t convinced that sausage kerbs were a problem before watching this video. Now I’m questioning if it’s gonna take a serious injury for the FIA to remove them. A big accident waiting to happen.

[@kirboturbo6932]

That Flörsch Macau crash is just absolutely insane same with the Peroni crash