The Absolutely Easiest Reachback for Power (Really, it's this simple!)

[@leightonkennedy2610]

If you are looking for a legitimate disc golf coach, look elsewhere. DG Spindoctor does not possess the qualifications or the integrity to earn your support. Not only does he, at times, present information that is incorrect, he actively seeks to censor and remove anyone who questions him or presents facts that disprove his statements. He lacks a clear understanding of the terminology as it relates to disc golf, which is a KEY FUNDAMENTAL when teaching someone. It would also appear that he jumps on here and argues his false points on other accounts, which shows an even further lack of integrity. He is doing everyone who takes his word literal an injustice, and he should not be supported. This comment will likely be deleted, because of course, he lacks integrity and seeks to censor those who show him to be wrong. If you are trying to do yourself a favor by seeking knowledge so that your game can grow, you’d be better served literally anywhere else.

[@dgspindoctor]

I think you're mistaken. I'm not commenting on other accounts unless I like the content. Also, only clearly hateful and unstable comments get deleted, and all these years, there have been only a handful. If you're writing comments that KZbin deems inappropriate, they don't show even to me unless I look for them. I found some of your comments under the banned tab because you called other commenters names. There is a reason why your comments get banned, and the reason is your hateful demeanour. I also encourage everyone to unsubscribe from me and follow others if that helps them feel better. I believe everyone is entitled to do what suits them best, and it would make me unhappy to know people listen to me without their consent. If you feel KZbin is a zero-sum game, please support others and avoid wasting your time on content you feel bad about.

[@BloodofEli]

Get a life dude

[@lankstadiscs]

Lol triggered much? Don’t let the door hit you….

[@ErnoAlias]

I personally use about 25 fewer throws per round these days and thats because of these videos. If I were rich, I would give him a million, because of him I no longer rage on the course, but laugh and smile. Maybe this channel just isn't for you. There's OT disc golf, trebuchet disc golf, Leon Sonnleitner, Seabas22, etc. Check those channels, maybe you like those more. Good luck mate.

[@WayneHubbard-n9m]

I didn't know you could delete comments. I've always wondered why there are almost no negetive comments on disc golf training videos.

[@MotorMcMatt]

As an older player I can’t thank you enough for this video. The ravages of time make it difficult to get through a round at times. Doing it the wrong way invariably takes more energy. You helped me do more of my favorite activity. 🤠

[@dgspindoctor]

Thank you! This is the reason I make the videos. Help people enjoy their free time a little more. Keep it up!

[@dustinmorton942]

This video totally screwed up my game. Why? Because now I have to re-learn which discs to use. Why? Because now they all go farther than they used to with the same amount of effort! Why? Proper mechanics. Thank you Doctor!!

[@dgspindoctor]

Also quite expensive to buy new discs. Shit happens.

[@Chillydall02]

Yours and Scott Stokelys videos are hands down the best form/advice videos out there. Every time I watch one of ur posts I always come away feeling like I learned at least one very important piece of knowledge.

[@dgspindoctor]

Glad you like them! I think Scott is one of the best, too, if not THE best. He seems to make everything easy to understand.

[@genecrosby3776]

This is the best explanation and demonstration of the coil and reach back I have seen. Bravo!

[@danh4559]

I want to thank you for this video. I’ve been waiting for my “ah ha!” moment and you delivered it to me on a silver platter. I was reaching out far on my “reach back” to make myself longer and it was causing my timing to be off. I was trying to get over my lead foot too fast before I braced and I couldn’t fix it because I was off balance. I shortened my “reach back” today and I was throwing farther with much less effort. It made it sooo much easier to brace before I threw! Thank you again for this video 💪

[@dgspindoctor]

Wow! That is quite something! Glad you got it solved!

[@4URinfinite]

You just completely described the solution to the problem that I solved about 1 month ago after I recorded myself driving. I 100% agree with you, it should not be called a reach back. I went from throwing high 300' to mid 400's within two weekends after making the adjustments you described in your video. 👍😊

[@dgspindoctor]

Fantastic! This is goes to show that it's usually a very small fix that has the biggest impact.

[@hannulehtonen7450]

Your teaching on tilting a little bit to the front and then coiling was a light bulb to me! It feels very right! Now to the field😊

[@dgspindoctor]

Excellent! Go for it!

[@Vivereftw]

I'm a new disc golfer, at least in terms of consistently playing recently. Been at it maybe 3 or 4 months trying to improve. This is the video that just opened my eyes to all my problems. I felt like I was doing everything everyone said to do. Well, the two things I was doing wrong are leaning back to reach back and not getting my weight on my plant foot before uncoiling. Can't wait to go test this out in a field tomorrow. I'm already confident this is going to unlock new heights for me. Huge thank you.

[@dgspindoctor]

Hey, we have all been there! Just get the body weight and all the pressure to the front and rip it!!

[@Vivereftw]

@@dgspindoctor Made the change out in the field today. I wasn't even doing it well yet and already threw 20 feet further than I ever have for a new personal record. It wasn't huge gains, but I can tell that once I work on this more and fix some other small issues and keep drilling this out, I will probably consistently begin throwing to that new distance instead of just occasionally. Your videos are great, and I've been watching them all the past couple days. Thanks again!

[@dgspindoctor]

@@Vivereftw Personal record is always huge, no matter how small the increase. Congrats!

[@CodeSlinger]

I also had the same thought that it would force a hyzer, I'll have to do some field work and see how it goes. I can tell you that I replicated your tilt & twist while I was standing in front of the computer and I felt it all the way through my core (which I hadn't before.) I'm kinda stuck at about 320ish feet and I know I'm missing something...I'm hoping this helps :) BTW, thanks for your instruction videos. I always find them helpful!

[@dgspindoctor]

That is the way to coil even if you throw annies. The body angle is not everything. See the thumbnail, for instance :) I hope this works for you!

[@user-ri2ee4qg7k]

Honestly, this tip/video is probably the best bit of advice and explanation I've ever seen (as far as throwing discs is concerned). It makes SO much sense, much more so than any other explanation I've seen so far. Clear (very), concise, straight to the point, at seems at least to be exactly on point............fantastic. Your title says that it really is simple, and it is..........but I've never seen anyone else lay it out so. THANK YOU for posting this. I've never subscribed or followed any channels before....this is the first time ever that has tempted me. I will absolutely be checking out all your other content for sure, at the very least.

[@dgspindoctor]

Oh thank you for your words! Very kind of you. And I'm honored to be among your very few subscribed channels.

[@leibatt2]

Great video! I always thought the "reach back" phrasing was weird because of the focus on the arm. Now I can articulate why I don't like it!

[@chadclement6148]

I’ve probably spent 20hrs trying to get this hip motion linked. I’ve done Muay Thai and know how to transfer power from hips to feet forward, but now hips to has hands backwards has felt awkward. This video instantly clicked, engaged abs and whole body. The reach back is more like the finish of a bowling throw than reaching out starting a lawn mower, as I was doing. Thanks!

[@qedyt]

One has to love how you keep demolishing the foundational concepts of disc golf! By 'demolishing' I mean showing how the concepts were fundamentally incorrect -- and showing how to re-think the very basics of the game. (By 'incorrect' I mean that the techniques shown were probably right but the concepts themselves were explained using incorrect language [such as reachback, which caused me to lean back], which led people like myself to misinterpret them). I am in the process of unlearning years of learning of misleading and incorrect concepts and learning how to fix my form. I find your videos perhaps the most informative -- and ground-breaking -- that are out there. Have also found a lot of help from the Overthrow videos. There are other occasional useful ones, but yours are certainly the most consistently transformative. Then there are lots of videos I wish I had never seen and followed when beginning my journey -- but then again, you were not around yet at that time.

[@dgspindoctor]

Thank you! I also like Overthrow, they make good videos!

[@badgerspvcoach]

Y’all are so lucky to get these kind of quality videos now. When I started they taught everything wrong, and when you start off wrong and continue it for 4-5 years, it’s damn near impossible to change. Great video 👏

[@dgspindoctor]

Right! I started in 2000, and I had a VHS tape of home videos some of our local heroes had filmed in tournaments in Finland and the U.S., Climo, Barry, Stokely. I learned to watch it in slow motion, pressing pause/play, pause/play. Blurry as hell. Didn't matter, I kinda got the right ideas I think. Then I learned all the wrong things about starting the lawn mower. Nobody talked about bracing or the follow through. Fast Forward 20 years and I started teaching, because nobody else would. At that point I had ruined my game enough to know that I will never get to the top, not even top my prime of 970-980 average. But I'm happy to help others avoid all the mistakes that made my game so bad. Thank you for commenting, and good luck!

[@lancerobinson8738]

This is one i will watch many times...well, I watch most of your videos many times. Thanks so much!

[@dgspindoctor]

Glad you enjoy it!

[@ukulelezell]

Love your vids. Short, sweet and thought provoking! Good stuff.

[@Lowerater]

I have been playing discgolf for 1 season in total. I usually never throw backhand becaus I have alweys felt like i was throwing into myself or through myself when im about to launch the disc from my "Reachback". After watching your video yesterday i went out to a empty fotball field today and spent about 2 hours just throwing my 5 putters. Today i threw my putters the same distance i have been throwing my FD discs.... I then went to a local field where i usually play about +4 to + 10, i only used my putters this time and got my new personal best at +1 My comments on youtube are years apart from one another. But I worked as a gymnastic teacher and the best part about teaching is when you can see the appritiation in their eyes and know that you have helped someone, You can't see it in my eyes, but atleast i can share it with you on this channel. Thank you so much. Love from Norway.

[@dgspindoctor]

Thank you so much for your comment. It truly makes my day, and gives meaning to what I do. I'm glad you improved so fast and hopefully get to enjoy the game even more! ❤️

[@OkieTradez]

great video man and cool for you to keep it free for the ppl out there!

[@dgspindoctor]

Always!

[@camiloandrescaicedog.1786]

Five minutes and forty seconds of pure and precise information. Thank you.

[@dgspindoctor]

Glad you enjoyed it!

[@oldhead_]

Went and tried this and had really positive results..it felt completely natural once I tried a couple times..shots were consistently going further and more importantly accurately where I aimed..able to achieve the “s” curve I’ve been not able to achieve as well..thank you for this!

[@dgspindoctor]

Fantastic!

[@kenshot-]

Just yesterday I was trying to explain this very "coil" position to my friends. And today you post your video. Excellent!! ❤

[@dgspindoctor]

Hardly a coincidence 🤔😉.

[@jeremynicholas4593]

As a beginner who makes all of the mistakes you’ve addressed, I thank you for this video!

[@dgspindoctor]

Glad it was helpful! I know so much because I, too, have made all the mistakes.

[@chrysr7773]

All your videos are very good. You explain and shed light on all the right ways to throw discs and also show what most of us are doing wrong that we might think is the way. I've watched tons and tons of disc golf form instructional videos and yours are the ones that actually help me lose bad habits and try to get my form to a better place. Thank you for that.

[@dgspindoctor]

So nice of you, glad to hear that!

[@SuPrMoNk1]

Fantastic Video, I did the coil and my freaking knees moved all by themselves! I always thought you had to force move them to generate the twisting action from the coil. Turns out I just have never coiled before now. I cannot wait to try this out! Thank you!

[@dgspindoctor]

Glad you enjoyed it!

[@clintguttman2969]

❤ Thanks for your videos, they have added 100-150’ to my drives over the past year.

[@dgspindoctor]

That is awesome! Big progress right there.

[@nicolaspais4024]

Very good information and extremely clear.! Thanks!

[@robertrohwer6965]

Brilliant! Great explanation.... thank you.

[@trxe420]

It's crazy, but it wasn't until like 3/4 of the way through this video that I realized it wasn't about golf lol. Everything you just said applies to both sports and for the exact same reason, so for those trying to create power in a golf swing this is an excellent video as well about how to coil properly. Great stuff!

[@dgspindoctor]

Crazy how similar they are! But I guess having GOLF in the name is not a coincidence, huh? 🫡

[@hhuffake1]

Great video as always! The way I built a mental cue to feel this movement is to sit in a chair with both of my hands angled in about upper chest height. My hands are about 4 inches apart from each other and they are about a disc's width away from my chest. My elbows are also slightly pointed out, it looks almost like a boxing guard position, but not quite as high. I then keep my hands and elbows locked in that same position, but I coil my body to try and almost touch my left knee with my right elbow. This created the aha moment for me on how to feel the coil you are describing and when I am practicing I actually visualize sitting in the chair and coiling my right elbow down to my left knee. As soon as I get that coil I extend my throwing arm away from my body so that I can feel that coiled, pre-throw position. I know everyone has different cues and ways to feel things, but this worked incredibly well for me and it's so easy to feel the coil when you do this in a chair. Also, one thing I just noticed in this video is that if you slow down Eagle's throw it almost looks like his first kinetic movement is his left foot leaves the ground and shoots forward towards the front leg.Maybe I am unable to see some subtle hip or knee movements because of the angle, but I thought that was interesting. Especially in the context of your last video on toe tap.

[@dgspindoctor]

Great visualisation! Wow!

[@scotranney8456]

Pure gold as usual! That body position also makes a lot of space for the disc to whip through the pocket. Big points here are keeping your weight center and creating a coil between hips and shoulders. I think one issue some folks have with learning how to do this is that they tend to reach out too far without getting the disc back in which can lead to shoulder stretch injuries. No matter how far away from the body the disc is on the reach out (back) make sure it comes back enough so your elbow gets back into the 90 degree angle before final release.

[@dgspindoctor]

Words of wisdom.

[@collfo]

Coming from tennis (backhand mechanism) this made sense to me and works best out of maybe 6 different methods I have tried from youtube. Edit: subscribed

[@dgspindoctor]

Glad it helped!

[@collfo]

I averaged 1.5-2 less throws on each basket at my local course after practicing your video! Crazy how much it already helped me 👏👏

[@S4tanMW3]

WELL DONE VIDEO

[@johnschott3681]

Your ideas are always so helpful to my game! Cant wait to try this out in my practice!

[@dgspindoctor]

Have fun! I hope it goes well!

[@mistere947]

Can't wait to try and incorporate these tips in the field. Thanks!

[@dgspindoctor]

Have fun!

[@jamesstricklin4056]

I’ve been doing the coil with my torso but I’ve never thought about leaning forward a bit I feel like that would help reduce hitting my chest during the power pocket phase of the throw great video I’m glad you put these out without charging

[@dgspindoctor]

I am happy to share my belief that knowledge is free and abundant and that it is not something to be owned but rather a gift to be shared. Every person is a vessel through which it can travel to pass it on to others.

[@throwing_circles]

❤️ great video, and I heard my question in your video! Going to try the down and coil method tomorrow.

[@dgspindoctor]

Hope you like it! If you get too hyzer, lift the arm, tilt the disc. Eagle throws basically all his shots from this kind of posture.

[@NewCandyCane]

I'll give this a go tomorrow. Just started playing disc golf this summer, the throwing is a lot harder than what I thought it would be.

[@dgspindoctor]

Ha, yeah, it looks SO EASY. But is not. Enjoy the journey!

[@oldhead_]

Thank you for this..trying it tomorrow and will report back here results 🤙🏽

[@dgspindoctor]

Thank you and please!

[@DiscThrowingRedHead]

Great explanation!❤

[@jeffgodden8366]

Thank you sir

[@dgspindoctor]

You're most welcome!

[@stevenosmond2168]

♥ You always explain everything out.

[@dgspindoctor]

Well, I try to at least.

[@magefool12]

Thank You! This was both greatly informative and also slightly crushing, corrected an unrealized major error but also highlighted how I've been practicing bad form and have some retraining to do. I appreciate your effort and thank you for the different perspective.

[@dgspindoctor]

Thank you for watching and commenting! Good luck for your practice!

[@rexus72]

Thank you!! Just the tip I needed to be more consistent. Would love see a video with Jacky Chen and show case the local disc golf scene

[@micdavey]

🫶 Good content. I’ll work on it. That shot by Eagle was poetry in motion 🦅

[@dgspindoctor]

He is so good!

[@nathanowsley]

Wow I can finally feel my abs working now. Thank you!

[@dgspindoctor]

You're so welcome!

[@thomaswinzy]

Really good video that makes coiling easy and that Eagle shot is one of my favourite shots of all time but I think it might be a hyzer flip

[@dgspindoctor]

Thanks. Check the release closely. Not that much of a hyzer, and still, does it matter? The disc flew to the right with a glide.

[@SilverVagabonds]

I struggle to get my backhand form right…your explanation/lesson has helped a lot.

[@triplespace007]

I'll have to try to do this and see how it feels. I only throw standstills though.

[@tripph417]

I really appreciate your explanation of this! I have been struggling when learning to throw nose-down to not throw a late release anhyzer shot and this feels like just the thing fix all 3 of these errors! I don't have these errors when throwing a mid-low power standstill shot (not engaging much more than my arm and shoulders) so this really seems like it might be my issue.

[@dgspindoctor]

I thank you, and think you're right. Late release annies are most often a symptom of standing up during the swing, or not keeping the swing plane level like a hoola-hoop. This might fix that problem.

[@mamacoco2716]

Appreciate it 👍🏾🥏

[@fabmason]

Good information!! 💚 The best form coaching content by far, everything is so simple and to the point, I just need more time to put it all in practice ;)

[@dgspindoctor]

Thanks!

[@janneohlsson5608]

Best teaching vids by far !! ❤

[@dgspindoctor]

Wow, thank you!

[@LindaLouMercer]

Thank you ❤😊

[@dgspindoctor]

You're welcome 😊

[@OkieTradez]

4:11 and pause "looking at right picture" if you held your body still and pulled through with arm the release point would be like 2oclock vs 10oclock.. what i did was put my right foot more to the right so almost like im throwing slightly left of my target but in reality its not bcuz now my pull through line is actually straight bcuz ive shown more back to 10oclock vs you more like a out in and out motion! this tweak has my lines incredibly accurate at nearly any distance with any wind condition! lmk what you think about that realization hoping its not just a me thing but something that is legit for everyone..?

[@dgspindoctor]

I'm not sure if I read you correctly, but yes, straight line for feet is my ideal. I can't do it, because I have the mobility of a crowbar, but I would if I could.

[@parksinrecreation2886]

Thanks for all the video, DG! The only thing I'd like to see here is a breakdown of how this would be integrated into the X-Step/a tee-off throw. What is the timing of the coil? When should it happen? As soon as your lead foot starts coming off the ground, or more as you're in the middle of coming forward with the lead foot (but not yet planting), or right before the planting of that lead foot? It would also be great to see the sequence show how the coil creates that "reach" (what is the throwing arm doing as you're coil and how is it getting to that reach point as you're coiling). Stuff like that. Just a slow breakdown of the progression and implementation in an actual throwing sequence. Thanks again for the content!

[@dgspindoctor]

Thanks. I haven't touched this topic because it's very individual and not that important. I have made a video highlighting the fact, that whatever you do, try to reach a certain position right before the actual throw. That's it, really.

[@pederlaitamaa]

Thanks for new and more perspectives of form!!! :-) Would be lovely to hear your coil viewpoints on what angle difference between hips and shoulders make to your control and power ("rubber effect"). Eagle is one that is extreme in it. Tiger Woods in ball golf, for example, was well known for this ability. Can you make a video on this? ;-) Thanks again for good videos!

[@tommivahtera1616]

That was good advice,again,thank’s doc.❤

[@dgspindoctor]

Any time!

[@craigbeavers8764]

Excellent! thank you!

[@dgspindoctor]

Glad it was helpful!

[@J-Swan]

Great video! Thanks for the very helpful information and perspective!

[@dgspindoctor]

Glad it was helpful!

[@HyzerBombofJericho]

Great video Doc! Greatly executed explanation of a proper coil !!

[@dgspindoctor]

Glad you liked it!

[@DadAboutIt]

As always! Thank you sir.

[@dgspindoctor]

Very welcome!

[@tonykaze]

Brotha I've made like 6 videos in my life and I just KNOW you spent a stupid amount of time making that echo on "COIL" work. Great video thanks man! Just to nitpick, that Eagle shot is clearly a hyzer-flip, but that doesn't mean you're not 100% right anyways (that shot is IMO the single most amazing shot ever caught on camera!).

[@dgspindoctor]

Haha, yeah, I spent the whole year's budget on the echo.

[@BuzzzedSwan]

💚Thank you sir

[@raksa251]

Kiitos näistä videoista!

[@dgspindoctor]

No eipä mitää! Kiva kun katsot!

[@achilleonv]

Always good concise explanations.

[@dgspindoctor]

Glad you like them!

[@MrDAParent]

Thanks for the good tips!!!❤❤

[@dgspindoctor]

Any time!

[@aaronhider7666]

❤️ Great stuff

[@dgspindoctor]

Glad you like it!

[@SebM72]

You're making the competition better which I don't like. . Jk excellent as always.

[@ATXNick]

Good stuff thanks!

[@steveackerman5066]

❤. Thank you!

[@dgspindoctor]

You are so welcome!

[@nordy1226]

Gonna watch this a couple times and head on out to the field

[@charlessmith7078]

thank you

[@dgspindoctor]

You're welcome.

[@marcuspennington3531]

Fantastic information

[@dgspindoctor]

Glad it was helpful! Where is my heart emoji?

[@daedalus311]

Could you do a video on elbow position, ulnar deviation, wrist supination? Basically, the biomechanics of the throwing arm. Thanks Doc!

[@dgspindoctor]

I could, but I try to avoid all the minutiae and focus on the big picture to let individual bodies work without forced positions. Thanks for the suggestion, though!

[@RBadding]

♥ So good.

[@OkieTradez]

ive solved my understanding issue now my shot is perfect 550ft hyzer flip in tailwinds on basically not even a xstep but not standstill just 1 step i guess.. Eagles talks about pushing out the disc straight from the chest and i did this sideways to target which creates a bad L shaped pull through but if you combine the push out with more back to your target and a coil the push out creates a straight pull through line that still gets the whip effect!

[@OkieTradez]

i think Anthony Barela does this well.. walks with more butt to target then most and still coils and yet his pull through line is clearly straight vs someone like Cupcake

[@dgspindoctor]

Yes, this sounds true to me.

[@SoloBattles]

This is critical for me to hear right now, thank you. I have been playing poorly for over forty years. I love the game, but I have a brain I jury that makes uncoiling my body almost impossible, as the act of rotating my body causes vertigo, and the whole world begins spinning wildly. I'm currently forearm dominant. However, I would like to add a back hand to my repertoire. I think this less spinny style might work. Critically, I need to keep my head facing the same direction. I'm in my sixties, so flexibility is an issue. This might sound like a lot of whining, but I'm just working towards my personal best. Thank you for helping!

[@dgspindoctor]

Hey man, go ahead and whine if you feel like it. We need to do that every once in a while, we are not machines or monks here. I hope this version of a coil helps you get some torque to your throws.

[@SoloBattles]

I've been practicing the backhand in slo-mo today. I think I can do this. It feels right. I look where I'm going to throw while reaching back to just past my waist. Then I uncoil keeping the disc close to my body until my core rotation extends my arm forward to the final snap. If you looked at that uncoiling from above, as you move forward, it looks like a spiral in reverse, finishing in the tight coil snap. At least, that's the visualization that works for me. I can't really do a run-up, but I can at least take a step. My dream throw would be 300'. Again, thanks for the inspiration!

[@dgspindoctor]

@@SoloBattles You got this, I'm sure!

[@adampersson3382]

Hi! Really good video ☺️ I have a problem with what to think of when coiling. If I should push my right shoulder forward, left shoulder back, tighten the core or push back my hips a little. Can you help my with this?

[@dgspindoctor]

Thanks! Good question. I say, rotate the trunk so that your shoulders are fully turned. I wouldn't even think about the hips, since you don't want to rotate the hips. The hips may have to rotate WITH the shoulders, if your mobility sucks like mine, but otherwise it's really about the shoulders and not the hips.

[@lesketom]

Kiitos, tää auttoi paljon.

[@dgspindoctor]

Hyvä, kiva kuulla!

[@entropie]

🫀 good things!

[@kruksog]

❤ kinda mad at how long I've been playing and I'm finally actually learning to throw. hopefully between you and OT no one else will spend 7 years playing before they actually understand how to move a disc.

[@dgspindoctor]

Hey, I've spent nearly 25 years and I am slowly beginning to have a hunch.

[@kruksog]

@@dgspindoctor touche! Fair enough brother. Thanks for what you do.

[@Jon-wo4ni]

Just came back from field practice. Implemented what you said for the first time. Feels like pro form now. Achieved my max distance with less effort and more consistency. After more practice, I think I’ll add more distance, too. Thanks! 👍🏼🥏

[@dgspindoctor]

This is fabulous news! Thank you for letting me know!

[@ekleduden]

Great vid as always ❤

[@dgspindoctor]

Glad you enjoyed!

[@joem8496]

Good information❤😂

[@sarinhighwind]

Great video.

[@dgspindoctor]

Glad you enjoyed it!

[@Maruko95]

This could just be the thing that unlocks my throwing potential. I have always done the "lean on to the back leg" thing before instead of coiling and gotten 200ft at most.

[@dgspindoctor]

You got this!

[@Maruko95]

@@dgspindoctor Thx for the response/cheer! Little extra motivation for training. :D

[@animistic8328]

❤🧡💛💚💙💜🤎🖤🤍💯🥏 Good tips as always, just the thing i had some struggle with checking my own throws from video from last session. 👌

[@SwordOfAndariel]

Please freeze frame at 4:30 and move frame by frame (hit the . key to move forward 1 frame at a time). Eagle throws that on a massive hyzer and it instantly flips up because he's throwing 80mph or more. He 100% did not throw that on anhyzer....

[@dgspindoctor]

I hear a lot of people get stuck on that. Funny, though. That's one of the biggest obstacles people face when learning. For example, you want to get the disc to fly from left to right (right-hander) and glide 700 feet in an Annie, but you won't want to learn that because it's not a legit Anhyzer release. Am I right? Thanks for the comment!

[@SwordOfAndariel]

@@dgspindoctor Those are 2 different things though. A hyzer flip to turnover is a useful shot in disc golf. Max distance for sure, and I utilize it when I can. But I would never say that Eagle THROWS an anhyzer in this shot. Throwing actual anhyzer from second of release caused by swing plane is a different skill. Playing in the woods, you often need instant anyzer, either because the line requires it, or because you dont have the distance to the pin to have time to do a full flipover shot. I bring this up because you're saying Eagle's swing plane creates an anhyzer release when it doesn't. Does the disc eventually get to anhyzer? Yes, but anhyzer release and disc making it to anhyzer are not equal. Maybe this is just semantics and I'm misunderstanding what you said.

[@lankstadiscs]

@@SwordOfAndarielyou are confusing the appearance of the disc for a brief moment in the air with the actual shot Eagle is trying to throw. A hyzer flip has one definition, you throw a flippy ass disc on pure hyzer, reaching back low, following through high, and rely on the under stability of the disc and your speed to do all the work to turn the disc over to anhyzer, not relying at all on the arc of your disc or follow through to achieve the desired flight path. It generally is not a maximum distance line, because the sort of flippy discs like shrykes, captains, thrashers, wraiths, or other “flippier molds” people rely on to achieve these flight paths aren’t capable of withstanding the sort of speed MPO players are putting on the disc and the results are generally unreliable with high speed discs especially. Eagle reaches back fairly flat, releases the disc fairly flat, and follows through below the level of his release, this is the stock maximum distance line you see out of a lot of MPO pros at distance competitions. The only reason the shot appears for a moment to be a “hyzer” is because Eagle’s most natural “power position” is slightly hinged over at the waist, so a lot of his shots appear to come out of his hand on hyzer when he isn’t throwing rollers. The reality, Eagle was forcing over a nearly brand new c-line dd3 100 feet in the air, a disc that isn’t known for turning very much if at all, if he’d followed through low to high and actually “thrown with pure hyzer intent” he would have wound up OB left regardless of whether the disc was going 80 mph. The arc of his shot, the follow through lower than his release, the reality that he was trying to throw the disc to sail 700 feet in anhyzer, makes it a flat to anhyzer shot, and nothing even close to a hyzer flip. It really is all just semantics, but those can be important if you want to learn to shape a bunch of different shots. Just look at what Eagle is doing leading up to his throw, he’s imagining how to force it over, he does it twice right before he runs up. Listen to Brian Earhearts commentary, “looks like he’s lining up a turn over.”

[@dgspindoctor]

@@SwordOfAndariel I agree, and especially with the last sentence. If you watch my video, I talk about shot shaping, not release the angle.

[@dgspindoctor]

This is worded exactly the way I would, only if I could. Thank you. This is the way.

[@ReeDooRoberto]

♥ Now the 'reach back' finally makes sense. I'm renaming it the 'front coil' so I don't forget.

[@dgspindoctor]

Oh, I may want to steal that.

[@yggyking10]

I just recently understood what coil really meant, after 18 months of excessively reaching back. For me a good cue was to rotate the left shoulder towards the target.

[@dgspindoctor]

Whatever works for you, that is the key. Glad you figured it out!

[@NickCarroll]

The cues "reach back", "pull through", and "start the lawnmower" have caused more harm than good for many (if not most) players starting to learn how to throw.

[@dgspindoctor]

Sadly so. I work with language as a writer. For me the tiny nuances make big differences, and I totally believe our brain makes such connections with words and concepts. They do matter.

[@NickCarroll]

@@dgspindoctor Yessir! A lot of people learn to throw without any assistance from others. They watch a few videos and do their best. I'm just glad the disc golf coaching scene has gotten so much better on this platform. You and the others are helping turn this ship around!

[@dgspindoctor]

We do our best to make a small difference in our beloved sport. Thanks for being a part of it!

[@alexanderthompson7076]

Luv!!!!

[@chadrobinson7234]

Good stuff

[@dgspindoctor]

Appreciate it, thanks!

[@Banned920]

I don't really understand this, should i lean to the direction of where i throw before and during the coil?

[@dgspindoctor]

It's like a very strong nose over toes, done from the front side, yes. Just for eliminating the lean on the back leg.

[@nathanfrazier8525]

For RHBH, if you lean back (to the left) does that cause you to relase the disc high up into the air? Also how you do coil and not throw on a hyzer? Ive tried something like this and couldnt get the disc flat.

[@dgspindoctor]

Thanks for watching! First question: Not necessarily; it just means you get slow and sway your upper body instead of letting it rotate. Second question: no, not at all, as I said in the video. You need to find a way to throw it flat or annie. That happens, usually by tweaking the arm path and following through.

[@imbaLULZ]

cool, breake down. ill explore it on my next training. side question: are you sowhere in south-east asia?

[@dgspindoctor]

Thanks! On this video I was in Taiwan. Then I went to Thailand for a while, but now I'm in Greece.

[@ericjepson3765]

Like the lesson. Telling ppl what to do never works, but letting ppl visualize it does. One note though, that Eagle shot didn't really look like an anhizer but more of a hyzer flip. He might have thrown the disc somewhat flat but certainly not with right on it.

[@dgspindoctor]

Pros almost never throw their "anhyzers" in an "anhyzer" angle. But yeah, thanks!

[@ericjepson3765]

@dgspindoctor I'm sorry, but for it to an "anhyzer" it has to be thrown on an anhyzer angle. That's what makes it an anhyzer. If it's thrown with hyzer and flips over it's called a hyzer flip. Here's Innovas definition: Anhyzer. An angle of release where the outside edge or left edge of the disc is tilted upward for a RHBH thrower. It mentions only the angle of release bc that's the only thing that matters for it to be an anhyzer.

[@dgspindoctor]

Then I guess Gannon and Drew are not throwing anhyzers in their videos for Seekr and Overthrow. Even the best pros don't know how to throw. You should probably go teach them?

[@mikedavis1348]

❤❤❤

[@kristoferbrown8007]

Do you coil against the front leg or back leg? When I do it, my front leg hasn't landed yet, so I have nothing to coil against, unless I use the back leg, and that causes timing issues. 😂

[@dgspindoctor]

The back leg is the one on the ground, but I try not to lean on it. The coil is done over the front side.