The Abuse Of Moral Talk For Self Promotion | Justin Tosi | Modern Wisdom Podcast 221

[@ChrisWillx]

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[@AnonymousSquirrel123]

*When I hear someone say something like "...AR-15 with a semi-automatic stock", it is **_instantly_** clear that I am talking to someone who wants to argue/compromise on a subject s/he knows **_absolutely nothing_** about the topic itself. You cannot have a good faith conversation about a topic you are **_completely_** ignorant of. I have "converted" several rabid anti-gun people just by educating them on the topic. Just by showing them (corporeally, not theoretically) the actual objects being discussed, up close and personal (to the point of a "standard" weapons education program, similar to any NRA or other firearms rights group would offer - takes all of a few hours), what these objects are and more importantly, are NOT, allows them to change their own minds. There is no other possible endpoint if the educational offer is accepted in good faith.* *The "anti" communities have this weird fixation of the AR15 format rifles, apparently believing what they see in movies: it's an "assault weapon" (it's not. It's military, look-alike, cousin (the M16) is, but the AR15 is NOT by any possible contortion capable of being considered an "assault weapon". In fact, the term "Assault Weapon" isn't even a real term: it was created as a P.R. term by the "anti" folks. It played well with focus groups, and because it **_looks_** like it's cousin, it end up being guilty by [literal] association. The AR15 doesn't use the same ammunition as the M16. The cartridges **_look the same_, but they are not. The M16 can fire it's own ammunition, or ammunition manufactured for the AR15, because military rilfes are built to a different spec - a far superior spec. Try throwing M16 ammunition through an AR16 platform for any real length of time, and you WILL _seriously_** damage the AR15.. Next, the M16 can, just by moving a fire selector switch, become a full ["light"] machine gun (as long as you hold the trigger, it will continue to fire, fully automatically); or it can become a 3-shot "burst" gun (each pull of the trigger will fire 3 rounds, automatically); or, it can become just another semi-automatic rifle (every pull of the trigger fires **_one, and only one,_** round - no matter how long you hold down the trigger). This ability to change the behaviour of the rifle by using a selector switch is **_unique_** to "assault rifles". "Assault rifles" exist along the continuum from bolt-action (i.e., single shot by definition) at the short end of the functionality spectrum; to the fully automatic machine gun at the far end. The AR15 is at the second position on this four definition spectrum:* *(1) Bolt Action, Single Shot Rifles;* *(2) Semi-Automatic Single Shot Rifles (like the AR15);* *(3) "Assault" Weapons, where the selector decides how the weapon will function;* *(4) Fully Automatic Machine Guns*. *[DISCLAIMER: Those of us who are actually familiar with this topic are probably screaming at the way I have characterized these guns along a functionality spectrum, because this is a **_really_** bad description if you know what you are talking about - but remember that this isn't aimed at people who already know how this stuff works. This is designed to get the 4 biggest concepts covered in as little time as possible - just enough information to allow them to be assimilated by someone with zero factual information before we started. Don't reply telling me about all of the little details I got wrong. I **_know_** just how awful this is - but it's conceptual design transfers enough information so that you and the "Anti" can have an actual, and factual, conversation.]* *If you look at the AR15 and the M16 objectively, the ONLY relevant things that they have in common are the general "look" of the gun, and the size of the bullets (not the cartridges). These two guns shoot a .22 caliber bullet. Yes, a .22! Essentially, they are just scaled up versions of the .22 squirrel gun that most kids got around their 10th or 11th birthday (when I was a kid anyway). The .22 is a TINY little thing (which should NOT be taken to mean that a .22 is not dangerous). In fact, it's so small that a great number of negative issues are associated with this size round. It doesn't shoot very far, it doesn't penetrate a lot of things that may be "in the way", before losing enough energy to be essentially a pellet gun in it's effects; it's tiny size doesn't store kinetic energy very well, so you need a LOT more propellant ("gunpowder") to be able to use it against anything not really close to you; it's small size means it is also a tiny weight, which means that any good summer breeze can blow the bullet off it's intended flight path VERY easily, and there are others as well - this isn't designed to be an exhaustive look at the AR platform)...* *So, while I started this post with the intention of keeping it short and to the broader point only, I have already used 6 times as many characters as originally intended, for that verbosity I apologize - and ... cutting to the chase:* *If "gun control" were about keeping the truly dangerous guns off the streets, the AR15 wouldn't be on anybody's list. A real list would probably start with the most common Deer rifles. These are actual high powered rifles. In fact, they are well suited to war, and were cartridges originally developed (for the most part), to take out things like 2000 pound Buffalo, at a distance of more than 50 or 100 yards. These guys will happily go through cinder-block walls and still have more than enough kinetic energy left over to open a gigantic hole in your chest - yet, no "assault weapons ban" I have seen proposed or implemented has common Deer rifles on them! Again, if the most dangerous weapons aren't being put up as contestants for banning, then there must be a different reason for the guns that ARE picked. The reason is, or should be, obvious. The AR platforms are on the lists because (1) they ;look really scary, because everyone associated them with their M16 cousin, and (2) the AR15 is the most sold general purpose rifle in America today. Almost everyone who shoots for sport or pleasure has one. The idea is to get as many guns out of civilian hands as possible, with as little resistance as possible. That makes the AR the perfect gun for The List. Nearly 100 million AR15s are in civilian hands today,. so by calling it a "weapon of war" (I sure as hell wouldn't want to go to war with an AR15! Really, I'd rather not go with an M16 either! Personally, I think the Russians developed the perfect Infantry weapon: the Kalashnikov AK-47. It has all the things I want, which the AR15 (and mostly the M16 as well) doesn't have. A big, heavy, bullet, with great (really, GREAT!) ballistics, which is deadly to at least twice the distance as the AR. It has a more reliable mechanism (than most AR models), and it's design has been proven to be _extremely_ reliable and effective over a huge number of conflicts, covering every possible climate condition on Earth, from the Arctic Circles to the rain forests, to the most baked deserts of Africa (all places the average AR will decide it's not in the mood to play). *That's all I have for you today. Go away now... (TM The Drinker)*

[@boatfaceslim9005]

"Moral grandstanding" is the same phenomenon as "virtue signalling" It's a vice (self aggrandisement) masquerading as a virtue.

[@coreyihler]

Yes

[@81048107]

Agreed, thank you.

[@AttarProductions]

I'd prefer the former than the latter.

[@laharl2k]

"virtue signalling" should be the 8th deadly sin.

[@r0br33r]

@@laharl2k For people who's only god is science

[@drstrangelove09]

About Lindsay "this guy isn't playing in the Matrix, he's playing in source code" -> wow!!! that is a brilliant way to phrase it!!!

[@armstrong2052]

I find these discussions fascinating

[@TheJoshuamooney]

The "people who want solutions right now"? Those people are children.

[@TheDhammaHub]

It happens all the time that people are willing to derail an otherwise moral movement to promote their self-interest...

[@falsesong7057]

James Lindsay published an article today about GamerGate on New Discourses called 'GamerGate’s 6th Anniversary - How Gamers Were the First to Stand Up Against Grievance Social Justice'

[@Doutsoldome]

Thanks for the tip! I wasn't aware of this. That's awesome. Hopefully, it willl help to spread a better understanding of what Gamergate really was.

[@Doutsoldome]

@@randygault4564 I read the article. It focus on GamerGate, but actually starts with a brief account of Elevatorgate.

[@tijuanaforeplay8232]

Seems beyond brand for James Lindsey to be peddling a constructed narrative like that. .

[@newtalking3]

Tijuana Foreplay he’s exposing deplorable think everywhere

[@AttarProductions]

AR-15 with a "semi-automatic turning stock on the back" damn, I need to get me one of those. Texas Tech is glad to have this fine gentleman on their staff, I'm sure. Intriguing conversation!

[@ChrisWillx]

Christ. You can tell I’m British. The most common comment has been about how clueless I am with firearms 😂

[@itsroyc]

i got concrete examples of woke phishing. in toronto, one of the most multicultural cities in the world, people are obsessed with social justice. you can't escape it in dating. this 'reveal' that i'm not super woke happened so many times to the point that it's entertaining.

[@Rhygenix]

1:00:37 you are thinking of Hegel's Dialectic or Nietzsche's "Extreme positions are not succeeded by moderate ones, but by extreme ones of the opposite kind"

[@justifiably_stupid4998]

How do you feel about Ayn Rand's Objectivism as a solution to this selfless narcissism that is all too common right now?

[@GiftoftheGab_AU]

Justin made a number of generalisations that I let slip giving him the benefit if the doubt that he knew what he was talking about. His theories and analysis were interesting. However when he explained GamerGate so badly I acknowledged that he did not deserve the benefit of the doubt regarding the assumptions he made in other cases. I'm a woman and not a gamer so I'm not biased here ~ but the two women that were the target of GamerGate were the biggest grandstanders of the lot. I was reasonably shown that Zoe Quinn made up a number of her accusations including writing threats TO HERSELF. She also told horrible lies at the height of MeToo about an ex-boyfriend that lead to his suicide. It was later able to be proven that Zoe misrepresented the facts but the ex-boyfriend was dead so couldn't sue her. Thus speaker may have had some good points but he was arrogant enough to assume knowledge in things he was wring about which puts his other statements in question. Yep, not wasting my time finishing this podcast. * Although in truth I shoulda stopped listening when he started speaking MAPS talking points. Just because someone with a medical degree does not make them right ~ I could give many many examples if this. You'll also be able to find another doctor with another point of you and so on.

[@somedandy7694]

I was going to sleep when this podcast came on. His gross error roused me from bed to add my bit to the number of corrective comments...which he made sure to predict, of course (I wonder if Ayadin Paladin's done a video on that - preempting the correction?). I notice John Oliver (and other Late Night Inc comedians) use that tactic: "Look! I made fun of myself. Now if you mock me, you're just awful! See how personable and humble I am?" Oh my god!....predicting your own corrections is...GRANDSTANDING!!! (dramatic prairie dog!)

[@GiftoftheGab_AU]

@@somedandy7694 😏😀😆😂😂🤣 Near once you stop giving him the benefit of the doubt and the more you think about it he really did come across as a pretentious *******. Taking generally accepted assumptions about sjws and transfigure these concepts into flowery language😊.

[@81048107]

"People get the government they deserve." Alexander Hamilton. I also wonder if what you are referring to as "grandstanding" is just a form of Phariseeism?

[@Dude0000]

thuwittiee boobui eternal truths are by nature, eternally true. It’s not who articulated it, it’s the knowledge of it and the media corporate government complex are trying to suppress the people who articulate so people who know but can’t articulate it doubt themselves. It’s all inverted. Look at the Supreme Court. Its flipped 180 from ‘president has four year term, not three, it’s their duty etc now it’s this going against precedent, going against a dying woman’s wish (emotional blackmail) etc.

[@danielfinch362]

Jesus called it blowing your own trumpet.

[@michaeljarmain9387]

Careful, I don't know if you're allowed to mention Jesus here.

[@danielfinch362]

@@michaeljarmain9387 though my point is not a religious one, just being the thinking is thousands of years old.

[@thekeeks58]

Bill Spitballs at a battleship to Jesus I’m thinking

[@Marcus_Halberstram]

14:00 that whole segment reminds me of a group of neurotic teenage girls, they are relentlessly illogical. I think everything can be traced back to solipsism and post modernism.

[@Harbringe]

This moral grandstanding is just a form of bullying and vanity , a true person of morality is a person who walks in humility and it is others who see that humility and note the morality of which it is born. Jesus is the example. And that is the Way.

[@blizzardregulus]

30:21 McCain was a Democrat with an R after his name who routinely tanked major political efforts to maintain good PR with Democrats, because he liked toting his moderate status. Never kept Democrats from smearing him, but he got to enjoy defense from the Republicans, which he never paid back when it was needed. The only thing he never hindered was an opportunity to go to war, which was the only reason he ran under the Republican ticket. Because Republicans are generally pro military, he could sabre-rattle all he wanted and his own party would generally not call him out on it, allowing him to war profiteer off providing beer for military bases. That's why he was a warhawk. If you want a real blacksheep and not just controlled opposition, look at Rand Paul. Practically no one in the Republican party talks about him because he is far more interested in shrinking the size of government and reducing the police state than the Republicans at large proclaim. He's also loathe to start military conflicts and world policing. As a result he gets shafted in grander political aspirations. Just look at what they did to his father, Ron Paul, when he was trying to run for President. They cut him out of the primaries (he was allowed to run, but Fox doctored footage to make Ron Paul look innefectual, stupid, or not even there).

[@thekeeks58]

Couldn’t agree more about McCain which blew a hole in this guy’s actual understanding of McCain-OR,what a black sheep really is

[@brandonbluegold]

I noticed that people in the center have the keenest understandings of human nature

[@GelatineRidder]

Yeah totally wrong on gamergate.

[@CP-pt1ot]

I totally missed the online culture war pre-2018. Later, when I was getting into it, I couldn't figure out what all this talk about gamer-gate was. I would go and try to research it and come away confused. This went on for a while until I finally figured out why. It was because there were two completely different narratives - one was about how gamers and gamer culture was rapey and misogynist and needed to be cleaned up, the other was about games media corruption and how they don't speak for or represent gamers. Judging by Justin's interpretation, he had his ear in leftist circles.

[@r0br33r]

@@CP-pt1ot You missed it? Because your child brain was still forming?

[@CP-pt1ot]

@@r0br33r You're sad.

[@differous01]

We already consider grand-standers "gauche" [58:30] in regard to things like table manners, in politics we use the English (left), & in morality we use the Latin (sinister). The opposites (adroit/right/dexterous) are also in common use, but 'right' has been flipped in the media. Re: Extremes "falling into the middle" [1:00:45] In a Sam Harris/Jordan Peterson debate Brett Weinstein called this "gravitating toward the mean": a Classic Liberal notion derived from Aristotle's virtue theory.

[@anewagora]

What he said about Gamergate was confusing and disorganized. Otherwise good interview, interesting, but I don't understand what he meant about Gamergate. Does he believe the pro-gamer side was also the SJW side? Seems to be confused himself on what happened. If the goal is to use it as another example of grandstanding and its impact, showing how it protected and perpetuated Anita Sarkeesian's career is the prime example. She could only maintain it for a few years anyway; nobody lasts long when they have no real skill or developments they're making in society.

[@CynicalBastard]

You're all confused.

[@helveticalouie]

subscribed for the hotness, stayed for the convo

[@sifridbassoon]

wow, i can't believe Justin is wasted teaching at Tech (i.e., Texas Tech University). I grew up just outside Lubbock, and I can't imagine him expressing such opinions out in West Texas. But good on him!

[@goodgravy3047]

One of the most handsome men on the interwebz.

[@A-No-One]

I highly recommend this book called Dark psychology super Advanced by Richard Campbell touches on the subject and you hit the nail on the head

[@TheMemesofDestruction]

No one would ever virtue signal on the Internet.

[@nickcosentino5368]

Hey go easy, I love my truck. 🤣

[@simonbean3774]

Case in point - J Peterson

[@doctorbritain9632]

Will Americans ever learn how to hold and use cutlery properly?

[@elizantoinette]

love the way you say 'polite society' ...............that died twenty years ago. Now it is called, 'insane society'

[@jeice13]

I tend to view it more as you should be willing to say what youll say behind their back to their face. It still makes you think about what you say away from people but it doesnt suggest cowardice

[@bencorley8687]

Gotta change that camera angle if you're rocking the shades my guy. Distracting af... fortunately and no offense to the guests, I usually have this on for the audio content while I work on other stuff. keep it up, you're doing good work.

[@J33-k3s]

Chris, those glasses are a no. I didn't like them when the Beatles wore them. But good video.👍

[@hank1938]

1:14 "Stand up beside the fireplace! Take that look from off ya face! Cos yuuuu 'aint eva gonna burn my heart aaaaooooooouuuuut!" I'm saying you look like Liam Gallagher here.

[@paulofreireslaw]

"Generally people have things that are more withing their personal purview, that are more difficult to deal with, and that they're avoiding, and that generally the way they avoid them is adopting pseudo-moralistic stances on large scale social issues so they look good to their friends and neighbors." -Jordan Peterson

[@s0lid_sno0ks]

Morality is about living. Helping people is incidental.

[@phonic0photon]

Wow, I missed this when it was originally posted, due to being unsubscribed from this channel by some sort of platform automation. This is my first channel to be unknowingly automatically unsubscribed from.

[@w.t.fpipedreamwithhopefull5538]

I don't understand how anyone can define Virtue signalling or Moral talk. Would this not assume to know the persons sum total from social media. You would think truths are self evident with Facts and statistics.

[@redvixen8669]

illuminating, thanks!

[@douglasx6915]

Wow! That was excellent.

[@maggoli67]

Can we all just grow up and not look to politicians as daddies and role models? We adults should already have a handle on morality.

[@SoloClone]

So I've listened to a half dozen now. And you assault my ideas, but you also bolster my defenses, ergo I have alot to learn. Subscribed.

[@just_another32]

Chris... I don't know who you are and I haven't subscribed yet (or finished watching this video - am still watching) but I love your glasses - they suit you!

[@RAndrewKReed]

Virtue signaling is a close cousin to moral grandstanding, it seems. Also related is Intensity Bullying, where people emphasize how vicerally committed they are to a given proposition., E.g., I'm " literally shaking."

[@agschool708]

Interesting video once again. When someone is playing the role of the black sheep are they doing that because of their beliefs or politics? People can change their opinions and there is nothing wrong with that but why they are doing it is at the heart of the matter.

[@singleplayermoments]

Loved this conversation, but he was wrong on gamergaters sending death threats to Sarkeesian. She's a professional victim who loves to exaggerate these things, so truth of what happened has become distorted. For one thing, the majority of them weren't death threats, but simply nasty messages, which yeah probably shouldn't have happened, but when you antagonize gamers by calling their hobby sexist and by playing games you'll become sexist, what do you expect? Secondly, it turned those who sent her these messages weren't actual gamergaters, they were mostly opportunists who didn't care about the actual cause and had no history of using the hashtag prior to sending the messages. Having said all that, Justin's description of gamergate itself was pretty spot on.

[@coreyihler]

The answer to why they do it is for social status

[@Tradaxta]

Awesome glases! The podcast is not too bad either

[@somedandy7694]

35ish - Do a discussion about preempting the correction; as in..."I find criticism uncomfortable so I'll get out ahead of it so I can control the criticism." For example: "Boy, I'm sure the Internet's gonna be emailing me on this one and telling me how wrong I am; the Internet sure loves to correct doesn't it by-the-way-Anita-Sarkesian's-just-a-feminist-writer-she-got-death-threats-and-misogyny-'cause-trolls-were-grandstanding-let's-change-the-subject. UM." Isn't it Sarkesian that can/should be equally accused of grandstanding? And for self-promotion purposes, no less?

[@billypurdy8581]

Love your channel, earned my sub today

[@baddragonite]

I don't think I fully agree on the tribalism causation. I think that's part of the puzzle but there also just seems to be two distinct forms of thought and patterns of reasoning that diverge from each other and the two large groups seem to fall into.

[@SeriousMcnegative]

I hate the youtuber/streamer e-celebs who grandstand about how helpful they are, or how supportive they are, or how they just want for everyone else's success. So fake! False positivity and fabricated self-esteem as a marketing ploy just to generate information flow involving them so as to maintain relevancy within their online spheres of influence. Authenticity has been commodified and, when done so consciously, ceases to be virtuous . Being an existential sell-out is acceptable and ubiquitous; a grand lie that most people have simultaneously created and denied.

[@fredericwild734]

Orthoga(i)(e)nal? .... Academical pompousical? ... yes please don't wax academic!

[@nietzscheshorse8566]

Quite sunny inside is it?

[@GreenTeaViewer]

The personal solution to the woke brigade is this: get off social media. Go to the gym, be jacked, tanned (natural) and have white teeth. Do not be beholden economically to anyone. Then say and do as you wish. Few will challenge the well-put-together man IRL, and if they do you just say your piece without a care.

[@totalutilitarian3292]

If he thinks Sarkeesian has much to do with Gamergate his analysis of the issue is pretty wrong. It started with Zoe Quinn and Sarkeesian was actually only the moral grandstander who later joined the fray. You could of course say that was just 2 side moral grandstanding towards each other... But it seems his definition is you grandstand to a larger audience and not necessarily only to your small ingroup. There is no moral of "hate women" or even "hate Zoe" in the gamer community so how would that have been grandstanding?

[@Dude0000]

Seams like more people in Academia are willing to speak out. Maybe they always have but never had platforms big enough to register...🤷🏽‍♂️

[@djanitatiana]

For every top Lobster there's always going to be a bunch of claw waving freaks.

[@gg_rider]

Funny. Thanks.

[@PeterSserwangaShow]

15:41 this guy is describing my social media feed....

[@zyxwvutsrqponmlkh]

Virtue signaling is a better term.

[@twasmedio399]

God Bless!!~ Jesus loves you and I hope you have a wonderful year this year!!~

[@jean-claudepaquette1089]

As Iron Sharpens Iron as one person sharpens another... Proverbs 3: 5,6 ... I quote that a lot her at my studios ddpstudios.com nothing much... but We Make Thinking Fun...Just believed that Artists cannot grow Intellectually, Emotionally, Spiritually unless there is a dual of conversation and to hear an opposing view... Now it would seem is too shut down any opposing view, how do you grow intellectually, emotionally and spirituality.

[@leonpope861]

Historically moral grandstanding, virtue signaling, is self aggrandizement. Our ego, id become hungry and thirsty for enhancement and superiority. Go to the word self in a dictionary there is negativity sprinkled amongst the positive. We are generally selfish and prideful, not inherently people of humility and meekness. Are conscience have become seared that we are not aware of it detrimentally effect. 💡⚙🧠📚

[@kbeetles]

Leon Pope - .... pride is the mother of all sins.... ( we want to play God : all powerful, all knowledgable, all glorious, all virtuous (or all malicious), all admirable etc...etc.... ) This is exactly where it leads us humans......

[@patbonny1175]

How do the middle class put up with each other?

[@geammanDW]

I guess you could say, defending Anita was also a form of moral grandstanding. I wonder why you decided to say that you're going to get corrected by the internet at that exact moment, its almost as if you suspected that you were wrong already but decided to go for it anyway. I'm not going to tell you what I think of that person, instead I'm going to ask you, have you bothered to read at least one of her articles?

[@morgantaylor517]

I have & it's standard feminist fare except applied to video games. Lot's of bemoaning the lack of "gender parity" etc. Sarkeesian is viewed as that person who crashed the party and then complained about the drinks because males consider it Their Domain. You know all this I'm sure.

[@benjamingoldstein1111]

I just carried a spider into my fertilizer-free organic food garden because I could never, NEVER, hurt a living being. Now, I go off and donate to Biden to safe the world before Trump turns it into the dystopia that Jefferson and Washington and the other slave owners have envisioned for us.

[@sdrc92126]

Tower of Babel?

[@flacjacket]

Excellent interview (as always), but your glasses reflecting your monitor covered your eyes and made it more difficult to read you emotionally.

[@insekta1701]

I have an answer to Peter Thiel’s ‘Something you believe is true that other’s think is untrue’ question: The Holo... never happened. Hire me now.

[@leonpope861]

We weaponized morality or virtues because we are unaware of our hubristic proclivity, and are humanness to err. We are not DIVINE folks we are only human. Flesh, blood and bones a creature ‼❗❕⁉️❔❓💯

[@justifiably_stupid4998]

"Morality is about -helping- others." Then why is it wrong to ask the 1% to do more to help the 99%?

[@joethemig1522]

Most important takeaway of this podcast is that it's pronounced "ahhh-dì-dās".

[@shivavereen3222]

I noticed that and looked up the actual meaning

[@somedandy7694]

And don't forget Nyk shoes (as opposed to Ny-Kee, which is how most Americans pronounce it, though I myself was in the Nyk camp until being corrected on it)

[@Kyle-xt8ip]

Guns... Check, truck.... Check, NRA membership...... Check. 😂😘

[@crazyferretlady]

NRA is ruled by corrupt cheaters..

[@Kyle-xt8ip]

@@crazyferretlady I know. That's why I haven't renewed 😁 going Goa after this membership runs out.

[@dsm5d723]

Before I download and listen, I have to comment on the state of academic philosophy. Very Bad Wizards did a review of an article looking at the way the word "porn" has changed in usage with the internet. 2020 has revealed Tammler, the philosopher, to be a spineless tw@t, but that aside, NEVER did he or P!$$face refer to the Greek original meaning, that which brings shame to the consumer AS WELL as the participant(s). This is Pornais. We have signaled away our culpability at every opportunity, and polish our worts whenever able, to keep up with the crowd doing the same. Delocalisation and decontextualization are the only real themes to explore, and this has forced a return to stoicism as a means of self-dependent in an unreliable world of bad faith actors. As Taleb is fond is saying on twitter, no matter how good your intentions, shut up because you are not there on the ground and aware of all the complex factors at play.

[@thekeeks58]

Excellent review of their duscussion

[@dsm5d723]

@@thekeeks58 Thanks. I am rapidly losing faith in the world I once looked up to. Wasn't it supposed to make the whole world better, not just a few area codes? If we do not find a a way to update Plato's Republic, we will not be able to keep our own. NIMBYism is the only thing I hear, in the real world AND in the information space.

[@Mrbobinge]

Very concerned about her heavy with child, behind you, under the covers watching Ben Shapiro. Could this be Grandstanding your magnanimity? (my first ever use of that word, sounds clever).

[@williamdelahunty3677]

Big swing and a miss on GamerGate

[@LadyLuck8_4]

Who came up with this term?

[@hrosemd]

An "ar15 with a semi-automatic turning stock"? Sounds scary. WTF dude.

[@ChrisWillx]

You know what I meannn. One of those bump stocks

[@hrosemd]

@@ChrisWillx Yeah. I get it. But do you think you should be representing it to your audience, who may not know better, as some extreme item when you don't even know what it's called? Be honest, you have zero firearms knowledge. Maybe I'm nit-picking, but if you're not careful, the next thing you know your government is arresting you for having an assault potato peeler or coming around to "check your thinking" regarding your social media posts. Otherwise, great guest and conversation. Love your stuff. Keep up the great work.

[@bojackbojackbojack]

This is, bay, far the simplest explanation of everything I've ever tried to explain to Leftists.

[@akonitony2]

Might consider taking the glasses off. The reflection of your monitor on them is distracting.

[@ChrisWillx]

You’re right, they won’t be on again for this reason. Appreciate the feedback

[@akonitony2]

@@ChrisWillx Good interview otherwise, bro.

[@torynick1067]

I could have sworn, this was about LeBron James. I could be wrong.

[@americannomadnews5370]

are we paying for moral grandstanding in likes and advertisements.

[@99NOFX]

This video is 'grandstanding'!?

[@somedandy7694]

When he slandered GamerGate (but preemptively framed the corrections for it), he certainly did.

[@oldtrowt]

I blame podcasts.

[@AAAA-gj7tn]

So this guy makes a video where he morally grandstands about how others should not morally grandstand.

[@cosuinofdeath]

Those who force their “morals” on others are evil

[@Macheako]

Whatever you say 👌🏻

[@Macheako]

Some of us in life just have shit morals....

[@UltimaOmegaZero]

Morton has a point, some people's morals are fundamentally warped. "Forcing" your morals on others can be a good thing, It depends on just what **your** morals are, and just how you are "forcing" it on someone (forcing is in quotes because when someone does something to someone else, and that someone else doesn't like it, they sometimes describe it in negative connotations to themselves and others).

[@Macheako]

@@UltimaOmegaZero its a simple matter of "Discretion" Sadly, most of us adults have given up the ability....to use our best Discretion 🤣👌🏻 I'm not gonna wage war over a people who force their slaves to drink water instead of cow piss....like....life is insanely f**king complex....and all we do is abuse it.

[@Macheako]

@@UltimaOmegaZero its just, at the end of the day, no one wants to BE the one getting pushed lol 🤣👌🏻 But somebodys gotta do it.

[@Simply1ism]

Adults complaining about what other adults talk about!?

[@Exodus26.13Pi]

Wait until you discover that Hebrew Cosmology is true.

[@SIMKINYX]

Moral garnd standing...virtue signaling in other words.

[@dr.k9411]

How can anyone take anything that Justin says seriously after he so blatantly lied about Gamergate?

[@skittlemenow]

Your gun argument is wrong. There is no fundamental difference between owning a long gun or a hand gun. In fact statistically the handgun is far more likely to be used to kill someone. Killing is binary you either kill someone or you don't there really isn't a middle ground to argue on there since both types of guns are for killing. That would be like bitching about people getting killed by swords while arguing that it's okay to kill someone with a knife.

[@Doutsoldome]

Great conversation! I got interested in this guy's book. However, here goes the expected correction: his view of Gamergate is inaccurate. I don't blame him, though, because I'm aware that there is a thick fog around the subject. For those interested, I'll point to two illuminating videos on the matter: 1. A concise explanation of what Gamergate really was: kzbin.info/www/bejne/iYXPaGCVm5mSm6M 2. A poignant analysis of Anita Sarkeesian's critique of videogames: kzbin.info/www/bejne/nniroaGbadCHmMU

[@GiftoftheGab_AU]

There is a lot of information and evidence out there. I do blame him and it does not speak well of him that he blindly accepted mainstream media bs. Especially given how he made such a big point of it.

[@shoeflytoo]

@@GiftoftheGab_AU Especially that he is a professor (even if an assistant) and an author. Both of those roles are highly involved in educating people. How is he an educator if any kind if he doesn't know anything about the topics he speaks on?

[@shoeflytoo]

*Of any kind.

[@GiftoftheGab_AU]

@@shoeflytoo yep 🙄😏 👍

[@averybaumann]

Your research on gamers gate is crap-which calls into question your other conclusions. The woman made a crappy text adventure game then had sex with game critics to get good reviews. It became public, which brought into question reviewers relying on publishers good graces to get review copies. However the news worthy event was anita claiming any criticism of her for having sex with game reviewers was sexist, which started her career of making money by accusing everyone of being sexist then getting some payoff in consulting fees or grants-basically protection money so she would stop dishing mud on innocent parties.

[@robotbjorn4952]

It's all a power play by crybullies.

[@crazyferretlady]

Chris is wise and well spoken, the other dude is just a babbling, smatting dork..

[@redactedc1928]

Stop telling everyone how I (you) farm on 4chan. These techniques r a seekrit.

[@Macheako]

What about a buncha white farmers fighting for freedom, but keeping slaves. Is that moral grandstanding?

[@siveshenragavulu2181]

When was this?

[@WasFakestCenturyAesthetics]

do you think white people should have left them as slaves in the slave societies in Africa? Should white people have left Africa alone, instead of making slavery illegal in their African colonies?

[@fainitesbarley2245]

There was an element of grandstanding yes but mainly leaders who want to psyche people up for war would ramp up the emotions. The point about grandstanding is to present a particular, positive picture of yourself. Deciding to pursue a war of independence because you are dissatisfied with the colonial administration has a somewhat different motive. Don’t forget - these people were basically British so they weren’t fighting a foreign occupation. About half the population remained loyal. Black slaves ran away to try and join the British as they understood -correctly, that slavery was likely to end a lot sooner under the British.

[@WasFakestCenturyAesthetics]

Was it moral for Lincoln and the northern states to offer a constitutional amendment protecting slavery from federal interference forever, to get the South to stay? Was it moral grandstanding for the North to burn down my home town and pretend it was about slavery all along?

[@mrsw2923]

No. That is a moral failure. It was a way of life and still is in many places. The process of evolving as a nation means learning from the errors of yesteryear rationally and preventing the same injustices from happening again. That is not good enough for the grandstand. They need to keep past transgressions alive in order to profit today. Grifters who cause problems. It’s always “we have more work to do”. Never “ look what we have accomplished.” All bad all the time.

[@zombiemolly9711]

virtue signaling is ugly

[@leonpope861]

Google up the word POLITIC. It gives a definition and what words is similar to it. The list of similar words are: wise, prudent, sensible, judicious, canny, well judged, sagacious. The next word is expedient. Something else is Politicians and People of Governance are sinners who miss the mark and fall short of the glory of GOD. ELOHIM is the only ONE who is wise, authentic, integrity and truth personified. Mere mortals, created beings are not. So to hold people we been indoctrinated to believe they should be held to a higher standard, but I do not have to be held to a higher standard is self righteousness on are part. This is not right. It turns us into moral grandstander, virtue signaler. 💯💡⚙🛐🙏

[@leonpope861]

Can you say Halo Effect or Halo Error, Can you spell Horn Effect or Horn Error folks. Our body of knowledge is lame and myopic, our cognitive content is paltry. We lack as earthlings a bent or knack for metacognition skills sets 😎🤓😏😉😌🤭🤫🧠📚💡⚙

[@valerieross8366]

You lost me on the normalization of pedophilia. No more credibility. Too bad.

[@nnotny]

I don't think that was his suggestion. I think he was saying that people who are non-practicing pedophiles, in other words they can control their impulses, are not to be lumped into the same group as those who commit such acts.There is, however, in California (of course) a push to decriminalize it.