Douglas Murray: The Cult of Woke & the Project to Lie About Our History

With the release of the paperback version of his best-selling book "The Madness of Crowds", Douglas Murray returns to the #SWYSI sofa to chat with Peter Whittle about the current state of the culture wars in Britain and the West. Murray believes the heart of the current #BLM problem we see in the USA is that America's youth are taught that their country has committed more harm than any other. As we've seen, this lamentable view is very real and present in the UK, too. Such ignorance, Murray continues, is most present amongst the members of the elite, whose children have been expensively educated to believe clear and blatant falsehoods.
Although some thought the issue of trans in sports was the "tipping point" that would cause society's pendulum to swing back to a more sensible state of affairs, Douglas Murray argues that recent history is littered with similar "tipping point" moments (not least in the area of Islamic terrorism) and that these have proved, at best, damp squibs.
Nevertheless, Murray does believe the voices of opposition to such madness are growing, hearteningly from the left, too. He highlights the importance of people like JK Rowling making their voices heard to "argue the truth".
To preserve their sanity, Douglas suggests people try their best to depoliticize their lives. He believes that young people have been misled by thinking that purpose in life is achieved through political activism. If one thinks that everything in life is politics, then those who disagree become unmentionables -- people who have bad intentions. That causes a harsh division that is not healthy or sustainable.
Douglas Murray's book may be purchased here: www.amazon.co.uk/Madness-Crow...
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[@macclift9956]

“When the whole world is running towards a cliff, he who is running in the opposite direction appears to have lost his mind.” ― C. S. Lewis

[@joeclarke7048]

Almost every day I wonder what CSL would have made of it all..... I have sent a couple of quotes, (from That Hideous Strength), to my MP, (sadly, a "Cabinet Minister" now), but strangely, never received a reply 🤔.

[@ScreamingManiac]

That quote reminds me of a herd of cows that will charge towards a cliff because the herd is, rather than make the independent decision to stop

[@anthonyseymour1403]

My problem with Douglas Murray in this interview is that he defends his position by attacking someone else. He attacks Turkey as a defence for England's history of slavery. The Turks aren't the ones knocking down statues and demanding reparation. The question we should be asking is " What is the truth about these people we venerate by erecting statues to them." and if they are gown to be slave traders or responsible for genocide. Do we want to retain these statues. I am also very disappointed that he doesn't realise why feminists like JK Rowling are against trans women being recognised as women. It seems quite obvious to me that what they are saying is that being a woman is an exclusive club that outsiders can't join. If you are born s man you can never join us. You can only submit to us. This is not feminists seeing the light it's feminists closing the door.

[@macclift9956]

@@anthonyseymour1403 Perhaps Douglas Murray is suggesting that it would be ludicrous for the Armenians to demand reparations from the Turks today? These are snippets from *The Science of Evil; on Empathy and the Origins of Cruelty* 'By the 1870s Armenians were pressing for reforms, and during the 1890s at least 100,000 Armenians were killed. On April 24, 1915, 250 Armenian intellectuals were rounded up, imprisoned, and killed. 8 On September 13 the Ottoman parliament passed a law decreeing the “expropriation and confiscation” of Armenian property, and Armenians were marched from Turkey to the Syrian town of Deir ez Zoor. En route and in twenty-five concentration camps (near Turkey’s modern borders with Iraq and Syria), 1.5 million Armenians died. Some were killed in mass burning, others by injection of morphine, and yet others by toxic gas. It is a history that is not often told, and the genocide of the Armenians is clear proof (if any were needed) the Holocaust was not unique to the Nazis.'

[@outofbluepills]

Wow! That's a good quote for 2020 America.

[@MrBillBronx]

As an American let me say: Douglas Murray is a gift to Anglophone world 🌎

[@matso3856]

As a swede I agree

[@465marko]

I've always wanted to play the anglophone

[@shylockwesker5530]

Not only, cheers from Poland

[@carlsmith8593]

Us Brits are very proud of him.

[@MrBillBronx]

Carl Smith: Yes and when he comments on American politics he’s wiser than most American pundits and media types.

[@justwrongright4977]

"Some ideas are so stupid that only intellectuals can believe them." -George Orwell.

[@stevebartley8902]

Which says it all about Mr Murray.

[@antsbull3370]

@@stevebartley8902 yep, he's basically an anti-snowflake, so rare in this modern world

[@stevebartley8902]

@@antsbull3370 I'm hurt.

[@mbvideoselection]

@@stevebartley8902 "I'm a victim, I'm a victim"

[@SuperMinnesota2]

@@stevebartley8902 No Steve. You're not hurt. You're stupid.

[@victoriastreet5825]

Love Douglas Murray. His books are brilliant. The lunatics have taken over the asylum

[@animacintyre4514]

And they’re all out of meds😂

[@fredyang9751]

Let's all shrug our shoulders and chuckle about it in bemusement

[@humanbeingscanb2evil]

Victoria Street Or the loonie bin doors were thrown open and now the loonies have taken over the world. Just look at the democrat party in America Defund the police Left letting their cities burn Etc etc. Scary crazy.

[@garethc3448]

that implies they were locked up in an aslyum

[@advocate1563]

It's more serious than that sadly. The trained left wing propagandists have taken over. Communists always believed it was easier to collapse a society from within.

[@josiepie6803]

"you need to lie down after talking to anybody that dim" Brilliant 😂 Love this man

[@Kimllg88]

I know, that was funny.

[@BaronMichaelDeBlone1066]

@@Kimllg88 And somewhat ironic, the Guardian itself having been founded on slave money.

[@dianeduggan7775]

Who was it?

[@transcendnormal5681]

Josie Pie I was about to say the same thing and then I read your comment😂! He is awesome

[@moirahill6397]

That was hilarious

[@Codestud]

For people who claim to be "progressive", they sure as hell spend a lot of time on the past.

[@stevenborg102]

They have subverted the term, like they pervert all language. Know who else does this? Satan. He twists and contrasts all holy rhetoric and idols. More evidence the Woke left are demonic agents of chaos trying to warp and gain control of your mind. Do not let them.

[@anneavenell3691]

@Tinnitta Bondi - so true.

[@HolyMith]

They spend a lot of time trying to erase and alter the past so they can write their own narrative for the future. Orwellian in the extreme.

[@KillerBill1953]

They claim to be "progressive" in much the way Black LIES Matter claims to be about black people, and Antifa claim to be against Fascism.

[@artandculture5262]

They are wounders. They set people up to live in wounds. It’s a form of taking power through harm. Brains are plastic. If they worked with the moment and creating they would have to stop reblurbing the past and actually have to show up.

[@azar1354]

The tipping point for me was the sacking of Roger Scruton, the greatest contemporary philosopher of Conservatism, by Conservative party.

[@diannepenny407]

Glad, though, that he was reinstated before he died...

[@jameswilliamsgb]

It shows that there are people in the Conservative Party that are not very conservative. I'm thinking of T May for one.

[@carolwolf9614]

Agree wholeheartedly. And then we lost him so soon after he was reinstated. i shall always miss him. A truly great man. RIP Sir Roger Scruton

[@mrblobby6284]

James Williams yes, the conservatives are more left than right

[@seanmoran6510]

They are free market radical liberals and have been for decades! Trade is everything Society Culture National Identity These things mean nothing to them.

[@deanedgx]

He's right. Don't listen to Britain's haters and never apologise.

[@samcarter2371]

Conservatives never apologize anyway; that's part of why everybody else hates them.

[@anniesue4456]

Or Americas!

[@bearcageuk]

The realization that these 'movements' are actually Cults! Spot on!

[@lapamful]

Without a past there is no future.

[@paulaustinmurphy]

Black Lives Matter and the Far Left want a historical and cultural Year Zero in order to secure the pious and pure future. The past puts that violent and repressive utopian project in jeopardy. It's all there in George Orwell's Nineteen Eight-Four.

[@zalacainbilbao]

Without a past there is no us. Our identity gets deleted.

[@earthstick]

And those who control the past control the future

[@marcalampi5036]

@Alan J you are correct

[@chrisaltman3113]

@@zalacainbilbao I think thats the whole idea. Mind you I am not so sure they will enjoy that future - and by that time there will be nobody left to defend the wokies against what is coming

[@neilscott9281]

Villains dressed as virtue, all they want to do is hurt you, that's reality. Outwardly dressed as sheep, inwardly are ravenous wolves.

[@Crichjo32]

More like snakes, slithering and sliding their way into key institutions, that wait for the right opportunity to strike.

[@JoanneGuelke]

Sums it up perfectly. Hard to be on the receiving end of it after leaving the herd.

[@a.j.atkinsonart1082]

More like hyenas or dingos, they are useless without their pack.

[@Dude0000]

A. J. Atkinson ART yes, hyenas is the closest, together with the high pitch screeching.

[@cold_static]

"And thus I clothe my naked villany With odd old ends stol'n out of holy writ, And seem a saint, when most I play the devil."

[@user-sw2lv3zp6o]

Douglas Murray is the most important public figure in Britain.

[@barneyrubble8590]

1990 shame Boris can’t follow his mind set....

[@GeneralZod99]

@RogueLady How would you know? I am assuming you are a woman (based on your handle). Douglas is gay and married. You have no idea how deep he goes. 😉😘

[@user-sw2lv3zp6o]

@RogueLady Great books, fabulous speaker. If so, in what way does he not go deep enough?

[@nulix8237]

A public figure yes but he's not in politics, it has to be Anne Marie Waters.

[@doulos77]

Not only in Britain

[@vonryansexpress]

One Douglas Murray is not enough - we should start Murray training academies to begin the long march back through the institutions. There is a lot to do, a lot of corruption to repeal, a lot of ignorance to dispel . . .

[@NicoleWilliams-pk9jr]

I am an American who discovered Douglas Murray after discovering Scruton whilst studying for my MSc in Britain, and I cannot agree enough. I don't wholly agree with Murray but he's spot on even about the US 98% of the time. I thoroughly enjoy listening to him and pass his interviews around among my American and British friends.

[@vonryansexpress]

@@NicoleWilliams-pk9jr Yes - I pass on his videos too, I find Murrays words a real help in these troubled times, I do wish there were more voices like his, or that we could hear more from others like him. Roger Scruton was an inspiration, a real gem of a man, with great wisdom, sadly he was cancelled by the mob and ejected from some positions he held not long before his death - he was clearly disturbed and upset by this, I don't think he could quite understand the blind, ignorant "intellectual" savagery that now seems to pervade in the modern West and its media. Never mind, his legacy lives on . . .

[@alexlindstrom555]

We need a Douglas Murray for every major country (although I feel like Dave Rubin is pretty close...for me).

[@vonryansexpress]

@@alexlindstrom555 . . Yes, I just pray that we can continue to hear these voices and that freedom of speech survives - we must be able to continue to speak freely about all issues. In Scotland for example, amendments and extensions to current "Hate Crime" laws have been proposed by the "Justice Minister" - I have perused the proposals and was chilled to the bone by what I read - I am astonished that a mature democracy such as Scotland can even think of imposing such legislation on its population . . We really do live in extraordinary times, freedom is in great jeopardy . . .

[@NicoleWilliams-pk9jr]

@@alexlindstrom555 I listen to Dave Rubin regularly but he's not all that intellectual. He almost broaches a subject and just needs to take the next step and he pulls back. Case in point, he had a representative of the Federalist Society earlier this year and sort of discussed the electoral college but they never really discussed why we have such unrest, and the reason is because we have fundamentally abandoned federalism. Instead of allowing states to assert themselves and their culture, everyone is trained to look to the center. He will get close to those issue but he never really hits the mark. Plus his man crush on Glen Beck is a bit weird, Beck is a bloody nationalist.

[@MichaelCarter-xs8yf]

Why is this man not running our country?

[@sjc66100]

Douglas is the voice of measured reason in this world of madness.

[@secretspurs]

And yet still people choose not to understand him, with emphasis on the word “choose”

[@MegaNicolemarie]

He is so clear thinking

[@MegaNicolemarie]

I'm serious when I say this I am a Canadian christian woman who is completely blown away by Mr. Douglas Murray's words He truly has a clear mind about what's happening today and we are better for listening to him.

[@viewer3091]

Ye Brits are lucky to have Douglas Murray and his Ideas. I , an Irishman make sure as many Irish People as possible get to Listen / Watch Douglas ! Cheers.

[@tommoon5063]

John Waters talks the talk and walks as best he can. Murry is spot on, yet leaves the dot joining to ourselves.

[@BradLad56]

I'm an Englishman of Irish descent. Perhaps you've heard of the Conlons?

[@tommoon5063]

@@BradLad56 Of Guilford 'fame'?

[@BradLad56]

@@tommoon5063 I'm not sure what Guildford is.

[@crowhillian58]

Douglas Murray represents people with common sense everywhere.👍

[@ianramage1593]

As a Canadian who is deeply embarrassed by the actions and inactions of our "woke" Prime Minister, it is refreshing to see such a cogent and thoughtful analysis of the problems afflicting western societies. Douglas Murray is a gem. I enjoy his refreshing candor and the way he maintains his cool even when faced with angry, irrational criticism. Peter is one of those rare interviewers who is more interested in the opinions of his guests than his own. Bravo!

[@trishdoughty1965]

So, if women are to be "people who menstruate" what are they called when they go through menopause and don't menstruate anymore? When I asked a leftie they didn't have an answer. So, I told them to make it easier just call me a woman!

[@avrillee7369]

brilliant comment - love it

[@Antipodean33]

As my wife says "menopause is when men pause"

[@rocketpig1914]

Ciswoman?

[@charlytaylor1748]

"Do you... or have you at any time in the past... menstruate?" sorted

[@jfelton4153]

@@rocketpig1914 - biological women don't need a prefix.

[@mrbaker7443]

“Let the country who’s not had evils in their past be the one to throw the first stone”

[@Mark761966]

Most countries in the world today are very young. Even places you think of as being hundreds of years old, such as Italy and Germany, only date back to the mid 19th century.

[@strikerorwell9232]

+Mr Baker We have bureaucrats who consider banning EVIL at the same time as FREE SPEECH.

[@Sakhmeov]

He gave a wrong answer there. If someone uses that "Only a Nazi would be so defensive/deny being one!" piece of circular moronitude, then it proves nothing other than that they haven't read their Kafka. One doesn't even have to dignify that level of idiocy with a response. Just a Tucker Stare will suffice.

[@mrbaker7443]

Mark Williams True some states are relatively recently formed but you can refer to cultures or former states in the locality... still works. “Great Britain” is only in existence since 1707

[@alexpykett5869]

I read that as elvis 😂

[@r1bew42]

Tidy your room before you try to save the world. JP

[@r1bew42]

Hope Jordan P is ok. He's now got Covid!! Had a hell of a bad time over last 18months. This mad world needs his words more than ever now.

[@JesusFriedChrist]

Clean your room, bucko. It’s no joke eh.

[@VioletFemme1111]

I'm from a commonwealth country, New Zealand and I cried when I saw the cenotaph being desecrated.

[@deathofcommonsense]

Excellent discussion once again, thank you. On a point Douglas made: I am a 70yo Brit who has lived outside the UK for more than 40 years but on retirement felt a strong attraction to re-immerse myself in British culture during my latter years however, when I seriously looked at Britain today I simply could not bring myself to willingly be surrounded by the issues of immigration (legal and otherwise), growing Islamic fervour, contemporary Brit politics and the expanding woke culture in order to re-connect with all the things I miss. A decision that saddens me greatly but one I know is best for my own peace and sanity.

[@Boudicca165]

Your decision to stay put is wise, but I'm sorry, we need wisdom here in the UK. I love my country, but its fading before my eyes, dissolving in the acid bath of Woke wankery and left leaning, guilt-edged insanity. I'm 73 but my wisdom and life experience stands for nothing, according to a very Woke, badly misguided and much loved family member. I wish you luck and some laughter in these dark times.

[@seanwright3940]

Hhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

[@harrietkinloch7451]

​@@Boudicca165 I'm also 73 and I'm devastated at what Britain has become, what will these woke people think once they grow up when they look round at the destruction their madness has created, will they even notice how they've destroyed the land that has nurtured them in their early life, destroying the culture of centuries in the making.

[@suskaklapp6641]

The media are driving this madness, 24/7.

[@just_another32]

Very thankful that there are people who know what is going on and aren't afraid to speak about it!

[@TheBasicTruth]

I we believe these people know what's going on and aren't afraid to speak about it, maybe we should do that too.

[@skwest]

Yes, Douglas, you do have _great admirers_ here in The States, of which I count myself as one.

[@timotharcher]

I love when everytime Douglas is REALLY serious, he is changing his voice into very deep,.low and angry. Like an angry dad who is warning his children to behave OR ELSE!

[@martynspooner5822]

A rare voice of reason in these crazy times. Thanks to Mr Murray for having the courage to face this madness on behalf of us all.

[@swokatsamsiyu3590]

"You need to lie down after speaking to someone that dim." That sentence just made my entire day. Because you are so right Mr. Murray. Things have gone from ridiculous to the absolute absurdity we see today. I have both your books and found them sublimely written although very depressing when one thinks about the future, because how to stop this before it is irreversible? Your videos should be watched by the masses so they can see just how far it has got and how they are duped into believing they are evil just because of the colour of their skin.

[@jacobszekely4069]

Douglas is an incredible thinker! So grateful for his voice in these crazy times.

[@newalbion1497]

Ahhh, the man speaks for us all 👌 Did we disagree with him on any of his facts or logic ? Of course we didn’t 🤙 Go for it Murray 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿💪

[@ggman7297]

@Michael Richardson I'm told it effects England, Scotland and Wales flags only when name is typed, it then shows the national flag but when you hit send, the black flag replaces it. Strange or what !!!

[@harrypotter4309]

I love listening to Douglas, A- because he knows what he's talking about, B- because he validates a lot of the things I think and have always thought. I didn't go to university , but have always tried to understand what's happening in the world, and have always had an interest in history. These people who decry everything, and want to change history (impossible to do in fact), are just wrong. Thankfully, we have a voice in people like Douglas to counteract them.

[@richardlord7659]

Pl

[@duckpuddles]

@Sofie Dunbar "Who controls the past controls the future: who controls the present controls the past." Orwell 1984

[@KuraSourTakanHour]

I went to university, but I am able to see the clear cognitive dissonance in the hypocrisy of main-stream politics. There are university "survivors", if you like, heh

[@chasandbobstock]

But history is a long list of lies. who writes history? What is included and excluded? Where do any of us read history? Who are our sources. History is all about erasure. It's written by the victors to perpetuate their values and objectives. So let's all stop pretending that the histories we see are somehow a conclusive version of the past - they are categorically not. What is not written about is just as informative as what is not.

[@michaelwhitley2081]

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[@bearcageuk]

Love the 'if extinction rebellion have a demonstration in Beijing I will chip in for funding' 😂😂😂Class!!!

[@barneyrubble8590]

TonyB yes, they should live there if it’s so terrible in the western world😡😡

[@seekerout]

I never tire of listening to Douglas. He always brings something new to the table.

[@mesolithicman164]

Part of the problem is that the right is passive and reasonable and the Left are highly active an destructive. The right needs to stop being so apologetic about history, culture etc. Time to speak up.

[@chasandbobstock]

Ermmmmm... Donald Trump, Katie Hopkins, Nigel Farage, Boris Johnson... just a few names in a very long list of names on the right who are far from silent or apologetic

[@mesolithicman164]

After many years of anyone giving a right of centre opinion being denounced as a racist or some kind of 'phobe' we do have some right wing voices speaking against the liberal consensus. And usually they're vilified by the Left controlled media. So these spokesmen have tended to be larger than life characters that can deal with the abuse that's routinely thrown their way to silence them. But gradually the the quiet, common sense Conservative views of the majority are starting to be heard. And a good thing too, because a stable society is built on a foundation of small 'c' conservatism rather than progressive ideas which disrupt and invert the natural order of things.

[@chasandbobstock]

@@mesolithicman164 and how do you define the "natural order of things"?

[@mesolithicman164]

Charlie Morrissey That's a situation where minority interests are not prioritised over the mainstream. Minority views are ok in the sense that they can spark discussion but allowed too much importance they can/will disrupt the peaceful order of society. The phrase is " the tail shouldn't wag the dog."

[@pouncepounce7417]

It is not an right or left question, it is an "stop screeching headlines and discuss matters like grown ups for once" problem, on booth sides.

[@MH3GL]

As an American, I love hearing Mr. Murray speak about my country, and its history, from HIS perspective! Very interesting and enlightening. And he is absolutely 100% correct in his analysis of the situation - it does stem from this being the result of complete and utter ignorance. It's deplorable. And very sad. All of the people I know are sick of it, and most of us are holding back every ounce of retaliation we have that would turn this into an all out war. Hopefully it doesn't come to that, but I'd be lying if I didn't say you can feel the wave building....

[@carlakenyon6073]

Not me! Letting children make adult decisions is ludicrous!

[@2lynnw]

I always learn something new when i listen to Douglas. 👍🏻🙂

[@bumblesquatt]

I love Douglas he is a true member of the intelligentsia not the rubbish printed in the media these days. People like him should run the country not the pathetic MP's we have.

[@astronomer77]

One question you should ask/address Douglas is "Who is funding these organisations and who is orchestrating the media".

[@magsmum1963]

I am sure Douglas knows very well (as do most of us) exactly who is funding this .

[@andrewnetz3680]

@@magsmum1963 Nope. Why do you think that? Douglas is a very bright boy, but when it comes to that touchy question, he thinks we owe them - even more - reparations. If you have followed his work you would have heard him say so - both inferred and straight out - several times.

[@grannyali6567]

Robert Sephr 1666 Redemption Through Sin

[@nnovo3122]

@@andrewnetz3680 can you point out where?

[@andrewnetz3680]

@@nnovo3122 I haven't followed 'dear Douglas' for well over a year now - I lost patience with his never delving deeper into why we arrived in this very antiwhite place - so no, I don't remember the exact interviews anymore. This was a bit of a meme of his though; when any people of nonwhite descent demanded "reparations", his take was that we should give anything left to the ones claiming unassailable victimhood and perpetual innocence. I never detected any irony, so I guess he actually believed that.

[@BaresarkSlayne]

I will watch every single talk and interview Douglas Murray does. He is one of the best intellects of our time and one of the most reasonable people I have heard speak.

[@barneyrubble8590]

BaresarkSlayne calming at the end of the day with a nice bottle of wine.......😊😊😊

[@morrisseyscat3959]

I bought a Douglas Murray T-shirt, I wear it when i need comforting, it’s like a sensible hug in a mad world....

[@perrywidhalm114]

Another good interview with Douglas Murray.

[@thepilgrimstar7988]

I would vote for this man to be Prime Minister

[@barneyrubble8590]

StarGeeek so would I ,but the left would hate him saying he’s faaaaar right,racist..blablablaa...yawn

[@quasarthelasermen]

@@barneyrubble8590 They say that about Boris....

[@mordanthamster2753]

What a fantastic interview. Bless you both for your efforts!!!

[@jipatkinson2940]

Fabulous Interview.

[@CrystalJ7]

;-) xx

[@boriss.861]

Brilliant thank you Douglas and Peter.

[@olwens1368]

Wonderful voice of calm, reasoned sanity. Thank you, feel better for listening to this.

[@dooda77penn19]

The Sublime Douglas Murray, Great man...

[@uneducatedromantic4049]

One possible was of fighting back is assessing how we spend our money. The minute a company goes woke then cancel it. It’s not going to be easy I know.

[@michaelolver7684]

You're right with this one. Gillette went woke, I now buy wilkinson sword. I see all sorts of businesses going woke. Not for me. I will find another company. People need to be serious about it. If you let it slide you'll end engulfed in wokeness.

[@deborahmeek6529]

Toyota went woke, my friend a few months ago had to take a knee for 8 and a half minutes at work

[@stefanadamcik8221]

I agree, and yes it is difficult,but we gotta try. Really, it can turn into a full time job.

[@deborahrobertson8606]

This is such an excellent channel. Keep it coming, and thank you.

[@HikariSoulstrider]

The eloquence of his speech is truly intoxicating. Much respect! Wonderful interview ☺️

[@justwrongright4977]

He is so right it's crazy, I disagree with most commentators on at least one point or view but I've watched this man for years now and still agree 100% with his views........ So far!

[@Patrick3183]

The Cold War never ended it just moved

[@lapamful]

Read the Perestroika Deception by Anatoly Golitsyn. Most people know Yuri Bezmenov, but that's only one part of the picture. Golitsyn was a Soviet dissident and ex-KGB spy who defected to the West and said the Soviets would pull something like that in order to get the West to let their guard down. Over 90% of what he predicted has come true.

[@paulaustinmurphy]

@@optimatesupport3453 Yes it is a theory. Like Marxists, much of what you say is based on theory. Your analyses and solutions are all crudely simplistic. The world is complex and people are complex. You, on the other hand, want to make the world' myriad complexities simple. All the better to use them politically. These theories are weapons of politics. Marxists use their theories to advance their political goals - and I suspect that's what you're doing. Your theory is so outrageously conspiratorial - and would have required mass cooperation between multiple players at multiple different levels over decades - that it's just a weapon of your politics. There are indeed conspiracies and conspiratorial individuals and institutions. However, they're often at war with each other. And that natural warring instinct would have to be erased in order for your huge collaborative theory to be true. By the way, it's often the case that those with deeply conspiratorial minds see conspiracies which don't exist. Indeed they see ten different conspiracies before breakfast. The endless conspiracy theories of such individuals tell us more about the conspiracy theorists than it does about the political world.... By the way, when another person has another conspiracy theory that's directly art odds with your own, then how is that impasse sorted out? Does a battle of politics solve the problem?

[@Dancestar1981]

True

[@bbQuk]

@@paulaustinmurphy So the UN's sustainable development goals cum New World Order are a myth then? The world is about to undergo a great awakening, in my opinion.

[@paulaustinmurphy]

@@bbQuk "So the UN's sustainable development goals cum New World Order are a myth then?" What? We all have political issues we're concerned with. But how did you shoehorn that into this debate? Many people are straining at the leash to tell us what is The Truth, but nothing I've written has anything to do with your rant... Will you make the effort to explain yourself. Or are you so emotionally charged that you can't be bothered?

[@uptoncriddington6939]

One can lay the blame for Columbus’s arrival in the Americas at the feet of the Turks who took over from the Byzantines in 1453 and blocked the routes to the spices of the East leading to the search for a western way to reach India and Cathay.

[@uptoncriddington6939]

Michael Richardson In no way was my remark intended to mean that Columbus should never have set sail, but, rather, to point out the underlying cause for his voyages which gets back to the fact that humanity, since it first grew beyond one isolated grouping in time immemorial, has always engaged in various kinds of expansion, exploration, and displacement.

[@TaraNikita]

Murray: "You need to lie down after you speak to somebody that dim.." LOL 👌

[@diannepenny407]

He cracks me up.

[@ReplayActionSports]

“Thank you” from across the pond.

[@foodieontour]

Great investment of 45 minutes of my time. Very insightful stimulation of my front cortex. I wish for more of quality as this.

[@richardmabe4186]

We need better leadership, firm but fair who stand up to vandals and malcontents which make trouble, our history needs to be taught more in schools for children to know what is admirable about Britain.

[@johnbarrett6889]

Richard Mabe You’re correct one what you write. The problem is 1) we don’t have a strong leadership with any courage. 2) most of our institutions are full of leftwing/liberals.3) the level headed public are either busy working to make a living, or too scared to speak up in fear of losing their job, or just too lazy to stand up for their freedom/rights. We have knowingly let this evil fester for too long. I fear that it’s too late. There is too much hate and dishonesty by the elite and their ‘foot soldiers’ are seemingly untouchable / unaccountable.

[@SP-lw7mr]

The voice of reason 👌

[@trunky123]

Am I the only one who watches/listens to everything Murray does on KZbin?

[@magsmum1963]

Nooooo. I love him. Best intellectual speaker ever.!!!

[@Kimllg88]

missed the entire live as its middle of the night. So watching from the beginning. Thats how much I respect Murray.

[@annharold5822]

Currently I feel the need to lie down quite often !

[@jacob13299]

you might have COVID-19. You should see a doctor (and stop reading the Daily Mail).

[@annharold5822]

jacob scott Hmmm something Dim this way comes !

[@Teddy_______]

16:50 “Historically, what does it mean when somebody wishes to go around parading themselves as a person of virtue? Almost certain it means they’re guilty of every vice you can think of and then some you haven’t thought of yet.” Very wise words

[@casiandsouza7031]

I grew up in a colony in the 1950s where we had to learn all the glorious history. They never told us about Barbary pirates. The pirates raided spanish gallions.

[@ignominius3111]

Yes and the United States Navy went to the Mediterranean Sea to protect Spanish commerce.

[@MrPeteypoo]

Casian D'souza Barbary pirates took and enslaved many Britons, and captured many of our ships, till the British navy was built up to fight them.

[@casiandsouza7031]

@@MrPeteypoo so, the Barbary pirates could be credited for the motivation for launching the British empire.

[@loafersheffield]

@@ignominius3111 @17:00 "My friend Christopher Hitchens" I'm reading a collection of Hitchens essays. "Arguably." Hitchens notes that Thomas Jefferson sent the US Atlantic navy into the Med after questioning the Ottoman consul as to why they were allowing Barbary pirates to take slaves. The answer that was given is very similar to the situation that exists in Libya to this day. This was before the British abolished slavery. The irony being that Jefferson himself was at that time a slave owner himself.

[@ignominius3111]

loafer sheffield: Thank you. You make me suspend my usual antiphrasis. Truly I dote on the good man’s every word and am always humbled by his intellect and rhetoric.

[@wmurray689]

I can only dream of being as eloquent and as intellectual as my namesake

[@christinemurray1444]

Indeed

[@ddee203]

Things are going to get even worse. Inevitably

[@ddee203]

@J M we have to work hard for that, mate

@J M no gaurantee of this. Is China better? Are its proxies? (Cambodia, Vietnam, Laos, Myanmar).

[@anthonybrett]

Define worse? Then define...better.

[@Happyheretic2308]

Time to stop it.

[@sheeplewatcher5125]

One of the best video's I watched this month! For the sake of our home, our country, we need to stand up to BLM and Antifa

[@iamphineas]

Brilliant as always, Douglas. And thank you too, Peter

[@jane---489]

*_It's a good thing we still have people like Douglas to inform people of impending catastrophe, now that we haven't got someone like_* *_the late, great Christopher Hitchens to lay reality on the line ..._*

[@earthstick]

It would be even better if we had someone who could tell us how to avert it. Really is there any greatness in narrating ones own demise?

[@jane---489]

@@earthstick *_Are you serious. People who forewarn of a countries imminent danger is an asset then people can prepare for it. Perhaps YOU can tell us all_* *_"How to avert it" ? Hmm ? Douglas is just human as you or I, idiot ..._*

[@loafersheffield]

I presume that you have read both Strange Death and Madness? I can recommend Hitchens articles and essays collection, "Arguably." In many ways DM, IMO, has taken over from C. Hitchens . "Resist it while you can before the right to complain is taken away.. resist it while you can"

[@earthstick]

@@jane---489 Yeah we can all see what's happening. I'm afraid you're wrong. It's not enough to just tell us what we already know. The thing we don't know is what to do about this. See my other posts. Are we too civilised to defend ourselves? If we have a line we won't cross then that can be exploited. If we have no boundaries then we have half a chance of surviving.

[@jane---489]

@@earthstick *_No, I'm not "Wrong" - Not "All" people can see what's happening. There are huge numbers of people that are completely ignorant of what's going_* *_on. So it's fortunate we have people like Douglas that inform and enlighten those that aren't already in the know, with the exception of you_* *_of course. It's definitely not "We can all see" at all ..._*

[@tonyleo7529]

Just missed a stream from our cousins across the pond because it was early morning (sleeping). Now I’m to miss another legend talking on our current moral dilemma regarding the re-writing of our history (as I’m working). Lots to catch up on when I get back. Thanks for all your work Douglas. Hope you continue to expose those hand wringing liberals. I would say try not to offend them. But you’ll be using the English language. So no hope there.

[@leeharvey612]

You might say those young people stamping on the statue as seen in the middle east are guilty of some cultural appropriation...

[@DanSirGalahad]

It’s near impossible to live your life unpolitically once you have been through the family courts system....

[@no-one-knows321]

And the other side refuses to leave you alone, strives to impose their way on every aspect of life, via politics.

[@firequeen7872]

Exactly.

[@janereynolds7555]

One of my favourites. No only workplace. Children as well who act as though their opinion is the only one to be voiced.

[@magsmum1963]

This is probably the best programme I have heard , and Douglas Murray is , as always the best speaker we have in England. I could listen to him all day. Peter, you are a superb host. Thank you for this excellent programme.

[@garrettbryan2717]

At 20 min my jaw dropped. The reliving of history is what has been so frustrating for me. The American project was a project for this exact ideological possession could not rule the day. Instead of getting behind out institutions and leaning on them in a real time they are NEEDED, why I pay taxes by the way, our "educated" believe emotion and ideology should rule and the American project was a problem. It's so childish I'm ashamed.

[@BRAgi-zs3mf]

Thank god there are still voices of reason and people with the balls to speak up and speak their mind. Murray is insightful and so refreshing!

[@jokermtb]

One of the best discussions I've seen in quite some time......thanks to both.

[@ICENI-Britannica]

Totally agree; expand your knowledge of the world around you before you despise your own country. Insular zealots decrying their surroundings without the understanding, and being selectively blind to, the depravities, political and personal constraints, and historical atrocities of other nations and continents.

[@lumpycustard3433]

Excellent! Thank you! 👏👏👏🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧

[@TB-cy1wt]

I could listen to Douglas all day long...such wisdom. Love from America

[@philipchambers4165]

Mrs Jellyby in Bleak House. Isn't it amazing how many notable gay men are anti-woke?

[@tracieh215]

Because they're cisgender. Not cool.

[@Helifella882]

It's all very frightening, any advice on how we are going to get out of this mess peacefully Douglas? Please.

[@Denis-tg6jw]

Craig Place he's not all that hot on solutions.

[@quasarthelasermen]

Has anyone out there got solutions?

[@jimgordon6629]

A brilliant and highly important political and social commentator. Please come to America , Mr Douglas, we need you very much

[@Dabhach1]

Lucky he's gay, otherwise he'd already be no-platformed as a "hater".

[@gaulishrealist]

Like Milo?

[@gaulishrealist]

Douglas does more than "being gay" to avoid attacks. His demeanor is flawless.

[@musicalfringe]

I doubt that affords him much protection!

[@seanmoran6510]

He can be un-gayed by his opponents so don’t hold your breath.

[@floydisnutz8443]

Douglas said the same himself

[@Polones12]

"Everybody in a whole world is selfish: people think only of themselves. The only person thinking about myself is me! "

[@ozymandias6743]

Someone's been reading his Ayn Rand. ;)

[@ignominius3111]

Egocentrism recapitulates Heliocentrisim but only Intellectualy.

[@Polones12]

Dear commentators: the quote above has a satirical meaning.

[@rachgrant8640]

@@Polones12 has it?

[@ignominius3111]

Douche Bagowicz : Now that’s an apophasis, if I ever heard one.

[@abigailslade3824]

A maniac from the guardian 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@juliettesmoon]

Unfortunately the guardian is full of them

[@Happyheretic2308]

Eh? The Grauniad can't spell this well...

[@colinm1325]

Great, civil, polite, calm, discussion. Thank you gentlemen. 🫡

[@shaykearney4638]

Great interview once again. Thanks to these great men. Regards from Ireland.

[@janeburke147]

I’m not the the most intelligent of people,but when Douglas talks, I sit & listen,which is something I maybe should have done at school 😬

[@fezmancomments]

Are there still calls that “young people need to get more involved in politics”?

[@damaristighe3227]

These Young People are having the best days of their lives. Finally there's a vision of goodness behind their hamster wheel of debt. Many will will retreat when their allies try to kill them.

[@ian260672]

IMO young people are terrible with politics, I know my views have changed a lot since I was in my teens/twenties. Most people I know have changed their views when they got older. When young most don't realise how the world works and just follow others without thinking of the consequences. They think they know, but really have no clue. Just look at the riots etc going on now, most are young.

[@robertsteele2374]

The system is broken. Greece had the right idea, words are a waste of time.

Young people are involved in politics whether they want to be or not from the moment they start school.

[@stevenborg102]

Only from the Left.

[@viramandybur4915]

Douglas is a treasure...much respect from the USA.

[@augustuscaesar5997]

What an absolute delight, To listen to the views and insights of Mr Murray...!

[@xaviertaylor759]

Yes - I had less sympathy with JKR after reading her leadership of cancelling the Irish journalist - has she ever apologised?

[@quasarthelasermen]

Of course not. She can't see other people cos her head lives up her arse

[@anthonybrett]

"you need to lie down after speaking with somebody so dim..." Douglas on his interview with an ideologue from the Guardian.

[@felishahauswirth9336]

totally agree, there is absolutely mass ignorance in America

[@robdevilliers666]

Thank God for Douglas Murray.

[@ethanthomas7372]

I love that they named this show "So What You're Saying Is" 😂

[@MsChitterchat]

Just ordered the book

[@tonyflanagan5682]

Brilliant man is Douglas Murray. We need more people like him in authority in UK 👍

[@TheChippewa77]

Brilliant, incisive....spot on sir! God Bless America and God Save the Queen.