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Counter Arguments

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@behrensf84
@behrensf84 5 жыл бұрын
It would have been the greatest irony, if DiCaprio never won an Oscar, and a future actor playing him in a movie about his life, did....
@navaneethjayakumar849
@navaneethjayakumar849 4 жыл бұрын
Felipe Behrens I think it would be a comedy sketch. Preaching to middle class people to stop using petroleum then go to recieve enviornmental awards in his private jet. Damn it already feels like a south park sketch 🤣
@l.tc.5032
@l.tc.5032 Жыл бұрын
It’s a bit too late for that.
@RyanAnthonyDigitalMedia
@RyanAnthonyDigitalMedia 7 жыл бұрын
The 2 greatest directors of all time never won a Best Pic or Best Dir Oscar: Hitchcock & Kubrick.
@dinosaurspy7096
@dinosaurspy7096 7 жыл бұрын
Well, someday they will get one... b'cause!
@696190
@696190 5 жыл бұрын
@@dinosaurspy7096 an honorary one, most likely
@mavil64
@mavil64 5 жыл бұрын
A bit late but Kubrick won a fucking razzie.. (or was nominated for one ). Goes to show how stupid this is..
@angelg6565
@angelg6565 5 жыл бұрын
He was just nominated.
@denissweet6639
@denissweet6639 4 жыл бұрын
Ummm, Kubrick won an Oscar, it just wasn't for Best Director, but he won an Oscar (and yes, it was a competitive Oscar, not an honorary one). Also, (and I know most people don't count this) but Hitchcock won a governor's academy award: The Irving G. Thalberg Award (for lifetime achievement as a producer).
@nugstendo
@nugstendo 7 жыл бұрын
Oscars don't mean anything to any reasonable person
@The_Powerhouse_Of_The_Cell
@The_Powerhouse_Of_The_Cell 7 жыл бұрын
AtomicGamerzUk If I had a nickel for every time someone asked me what I think about the Oscars upon finding out I write film reviews, I'd have like $3.50. If you think about it, that's a lot of nickels.
@nugstendo
@nugstendo 7 жыл бұрын
The Powerhouse of the Cell What do you think about the oscars?
@SupLuiKir
@SupLuiKir 7 жыл бұрын
The Powerhouse of the Cell I need about tree fiddy
@nugstendo
@nugstendo 7 жыл бұрын
The Powerhouse of the Cell I guess I gave you a nickel
@CardsNHorns04
@CardsNHorns04 7 жыл бұрын
I still enjoy watching them. Haters gonna hate though.
@chasetherightenergy
@chasetherightenergy 7 жыл бұрын
People should just see the academy awards for what it it. An entertaimentshow meant to promote & sell movies. It's no problem an award show like that exists, it just shouldn't be seen as a relevant guideline for whether a movie is good or not. Good opinion piece man.
@andrester88
@andrester88 6 жыл бұрын
And good opinion on your behalf. It doesn't discredit people who enjoy watching the oscars and seeing their favorite film get recognized and promoted, but yeah, it should be seen more like that.
@jackl.1759
@jackl.1759 3 жыл бұрын
For the REAL Academy Awards, see IMDB, by the people for the people.
@nachoolo
@nachoolo 7 жыл бұрын
What's the worst part of the Oscars? The animation awards. They don't even wacht them and they give them to the most popular.
@poisondamage2182
@poisondamage2182 5 жыл бұрын
what do you expect from the voting guys... i mean most of them are what?; 95 years old.
@joshuahart153
@joshuahart153 5 жыл бұрын
To be fair though, Pixar has been making excellent movies time and time again, and they usually do deserve to win. Variety for the sake of variety isn't necessary here. Regardless, this kind of discussion just proves the point of the video, which is that these awards are pointless and that it shouldn't be a competition.
@KeybladeMasterAndy
@KeybladeMasterAndy 5 жыл бұрын
@Minh Hùng Nguyễn Phạm Except for Cars, Cars 2, Monsters University and Monsters, Inc. People always forget Pixar hasn't always won or even been nominated. And even so, the only time they did win and it didn't make a lick of sense was in 2013 for Brave. 2012 was a rare year in which American theatrical animated films were high quality aceoss the board. Brave actually seemed to be one of the weaker films that were nominated. But the real insult is that animation is usually never considered for Best Picture, and awards shows dedicated to the medium have never been televised.
@Ajourneyofknowing
@Ajourneyofknowing 5 жыл бұрын
Joshua Hart - No they haven’t. It’s just because they’re an extension of Disney. Group then together for animation & it’s nearly the same win. Present people are forgetting that Pixar used to be independent & in the beginning just relied on Disney for distribution like with Studio Ghibli through the 2000s.
@navaneethjayakumar849
@navaneethjayakumar849 4 жыл бұрын
nachoolo Somebody.. once told me..
@tuberage
@tuberage 7 жыл бұрын
"But because of all the noise generated by awards ceremonies..." Replace the word "noise" with the word "money". Now do that for pretty much every other "Why does Hollywood..." questions you might have.
@imveryangryitsnotbutter
@imveryangryitsnotbutter 7 жыл бұрын
Could it be?! A brand new video about a brand new topic!? Oh frapjuous day!
@bukchoiboi1611
@bukchoiboi1611 7 жыл бұрын
callooh callay!
@carlosiumanzor9340
@carlosiumanzor9340 7 жыл бұрын
I'm Very Angry It's Not Butter!! Haha. Dude I have been waiting! I love this channel and I need fresh and timely content.
@The_Powerhouse_Of_The_Cell
@The_Powerhouse_Of_The_Cell 7 жыл бұрын
He chortled in his joy. `Twas brillig, and the slithy toves Did gyre and gimble in the wabe; All mimsy were the borogoves, And the mome raths outgrabe.
@BaoHadir
@BaoHadir 7 жыл бұрын
The Powerhouse of the Cell Mitochondria?
@eliasm8506
@eliasm8506 7 жыл бұрын
has thou uploaded a video my boy? callooh callay oh frabjous day!
@nedyah151
@nedyah151 7 жыл бұрын
More videos...please, your channel is amazing. You are an original voice on a platform full of copy cats, keep it up.
@benjamin_burke
@benjamin_burke 6 жыл бұрын
There is another way that we celebrate film. Films that stand the test of time and are culturally important and deemed worthy of preservation are added to the National Film Registry. Some great films that the Oscars barely touched (Groundhog Day, Blade Runner, Alien, Airplane!, This is Spinal Tap, The Big Lebowski, Willy Wonka & the Chocolate Factory) are preserved there. Armed with retrospect, this "Hall of Fame"-style awards could be much more relevant.
@keviscool
@keviscool 2 жыл бұрын
This award ceremony always feels like a slap in the face
@calmwins
@calmwins 7 жыл бұрын
This video gave me a profound new way to think about the recent Oscar blunder. Thank you Counter Arguments for your insights.
@xavcast007
@xavcast007 7 жыл бұрын
I feel like conventions and festivals are a way better to celebrate any movie or good show
@tenchimuyo69
@tenchimuyo69 5 жыл бұрын
The thing about playing music over them really irks me after what happened to Life of Pi's CG studio, where they literally censored them from talking about how their studio was sunk by the film.
@dknuth92292
@dknuth92292 7 жыл бұрын
Counter Arguments? And new content? In the same place at the same time!? What is this, a crossover episode?!?? Love this channel.
@jacorp7476
@jacorp7476 6 жыл бұрын
BoJack Horseman, anyone?
@pumpkingamebox
@pumpkingamebox 6 жыл бұрын
I'd like to thank my legs, for always supporting me; my arms, who are always by my side and lastly my fingers, I can always count on them.
@alialmuhanna4938
@alialmuhanna4938 5 жыл бұрын
3:18 “It strikes me … that there’s a considerable amount of bullshit … going on here …” - Leonardo DiCaprio. What a wonderful quote indeed !
@skeeth2631
@skeeth2631 7 жыл бұрын
hold up did you just use a john cena meme in 2017... its cool your channel is amazing
@astraldirectrix
@astraldirectrix 7 жыл бұрын
skeeth It has a whole different light considering how thoughtful Counter Arguments's subject and material are.
@keeganriley8510
@keeganriley8510 7 жыл бұрын
Neither did Kubrick.
@user-zz6fk8bc8u
@user-zz6fk8bc8u 6 жыл бұрын
1:25 - Maybe they thank their loved ones for their support and understanding because they are spending most time at work ;-)
@Valkbg
@Valkbg 6 жыл бұрын
Aside from your reasons I also have another complaint about the Oscars. Its that it is American centred. I understand that it is an American Award but people still think that it holds weight in the whole world.
@lauralaura4362
@lauralaura4362 3 жыл бұрын
has improved since you've made your comment but it still applies
@andrewmulhearn1234
@andrewmulhearn1234 6 жыл бұрын
I think it would be interesting if the academy awards, instead of picking a new "best picture" or a new "best soundtrack," etc would retain each title for its respective film each year until said film was replaced by a new picture that deserved it. That could be a cool change of pace.
@warmccl
@warmccl 7 жыл бұрын
This was very well put together. I really enjoyed watching it.
@shadbakht
@shadbakht 7 жыл бұрын
Because Award "Ceremony" is a euphemism for Competition. It's simply not a "ceremony celebrating the film arts"
@arandombard1197
@arandombard1197 5 жыл бұрын
9/10 films I have never even heard of. They sneakily release them at the end of December and suddenly everybody is talking about the best movies of the year, as if they reflecting on the past 12 months instead of the last 2 weeks.
@Daneoid81
@Daneoid81 7 жыл бұрын
The thing is that while not always perfect, the actors and films that get nominated and win Oscars are generally still high quality actors and high quality films. The grammys is a much, much bigger farce which focuses solely on popularity and sales, it's like quality and creativity isn't that much of a deciding factor. Bieber nominated for best album while the likes of King Gizzard aren't even considered.
@raphyd1466
@raphyd1466 5 жыл бұрын
You CAN apply those criticisms to disciplines that are meant to be competitive. There are lots of sports teams like the football team of the Netherlands that would've won championships and tournaments in some years but didn't because there were better teams around in the years in which they came close. Quite a few football players might have deserved to win a Ballon d'Or during the last few years if Cristiano Ronaldo and Messi hadn't been around. And of course people constantly argue about who should've won a sports competition, team sports fans say things like "But they played better" "They had more possession" "They created more chances" "Decision X by the referee was unfair" and so on.
@sockself
@sockself 7 жыл бұрын
i agree with what youre saying for the most part. When youre talking about sport having winners though, there are subjective ratings to determine a winner like in gymnastics and synchronised swimming, people may argue the winner but there are criteria that should be followed. Its easy to determine if some movies are better than others by assessing their criteria - editing, acting, composition etc. these are the supposed 'best' films of the year, theyre of a high calibre, its a fine line between all, there are too many components of a film to consider. I dont think subjectivity itself is the issue, more the breadth of subjectivity in a film. same can be said for objective arguments, i can calculate much more accurately how much fuel my car will use to drive 100km on a highway. It becomes much more difficult to calculate how much i would use in the city when there are alot more variables to consider- variations of speed, breaking, other traffic. i kinda rambled there but my main issue was 'sport has a clear winner' but rythmic gymnastics seems pretty subjective to me.
@therambler3713
@therambler3713 7 жыл бұрын
I think what he was trying to say is, in a situation where 3 movies score a perfect ten, why would you only want to give an award to one of them
@xXGaYxnAmEXx
@xXGaYxnAmEXx 7 жыл бұрын
The Academy Awards are ultimately a good thing because they help bring projects like the Wizard of Oz into existence. A film is a huge investment for a company, and winning an Academy Award (or even being nominated, for that matter) provides a massive boost to sales. This is why consistently the "riskier, artsy" films are generally released at the same time, so that they might be topical during the Awards.
@-notkev-733
@-notkev-733 5 жыл бұрын
I completely agree with this video so out of curiosity can anyone or has anyone come up with a better way to celebrate films in a ceremonious way? Or how about just making the oscars more "fair" like perhaps not having it be an annual event maybe every 4, 5 years?
@directorforplastic7929
@directorforplastic7929 5 жыл бұрын
Two years later and this is still relevant
@Deltronn100
@Deltronn100 7 жыл бұрын
And the Oscar goes to . . . JOHN CENA!!!! That had me dying
@KeybladeMasterAndy
@KeybladeMasterAndy 5 жыл бұрын
Families can provide moral support. That's why they are always thanked.
@SumoPanda12345
@SumoPanda12345 5 жыл бұрын
John Cena meme? What year am I watching this? Lol fantastic video m8 I've always noticed there were several things strange and toxic about these shows.
@trevorbatesanimation1883
@trevorbatesanimation1883 7 жыл бұрын
The winners family supported them while they were working on the film. Obviously the person who wins does the most work, but they still had help, and it's good for them to acknowledge the people in their lives who got them to where they are.
@ripplegaming7393
@ripplegaming7393 5 жыл бұрын
The lala land thing was done on purpose for politics. 100%.
@erikmfoss9042
@erikmfoss9042 7 жыл бұрын
A great point, superbly articulated. Very well done! One simple solution would actually be what Kimmel said - give out a bunch of them. Not 'best picture of the year', but 'one of the great pictures to come out this year'. "Oscar for some outstanding acting this year goes to..." - could be one winner; could be ten winners.
@infernocanuck
@infernocanuck 4 жыл бұрын
Why not a movie hall of fame instead? They can still have all that silly ceremony every year for films and actors that get inducted
@MrPolluxxxx
@MrPolluxxxx 7 жыл бұрын
maybe the academy award should be given several years later, like the nobel prize. This way, there would be no competition.
@slakkas9139
@slakkas9139 7 жыл бұрын
hello, I know its an old video so you may not read this, but i just wanted to thank you for teaching me to argue and debate , neither school or adults prioritise to teach children this, so i never learnd, and stayed quited when i disagree with someone. just wanted to tell you that your videos are as educational as entertaining. (sorry for bad english)
@Hugo_E-mad
@Hugo_E-mad 5 жыл бұрын
The point about how movie making isn't a competition makes no sense. You don't win an oscar, you get awarded an oscar. The "competition" of the oscars is to get the approval of the jury. And what about all the sports and talent shows that determine their winner by a jury? There is debate over who should have won american Idol, yet there is a clear winner.
@LetMeExplainThat
@LetMeExplainThat 7 жыл бұрын
I get what you are saying but 1-you could argue that the rewards just like something like GPA are dependent on your peers ability in the given year as well as yours. It's a relative competition within that time frame alone. 2- things like story, design, filming, all have components that could be evaluated by the experts in the field. The training shows in the dances and the acting, glitches can be spotted in the animations, and even filming and directing could be judged by the quality of the frames and how well they reflect the message of the film 3- you could even argue that beauty and art are not subjective according to some aesthetic philosophers Ps: keep up the good work, I enjoy your channel =)
@nothanks4248
@nothanks4248 7 жыл бұрын
Not to mention an event celebrating the entertainment industry is boring af and itself very unimaginative.
@coolergman8629
@coolergman8629 7 жыл бұрын
No Thanks Not to mention that alot of the awards people kind of skip over you know like best make up best costumes best editing etc.. like seriously most people don't even notice the people who win these oscars but without them most beloved movies wouldn't be the same.
@tomripsin730
@tomripsin730 6 жыл бұрын
0:27 The Pulitzer Prize is older.
@Jayel805
@Jayel805 4 жыл бұрын
I admit that sometimes, the oscars don't get it right and often can't properly commemorate achievement in film, but Moonlight vs. La La Land was not one of those times.
@aperson------------
@aperson------------ 6 жыл бұрын
For me, the Oscars are just a fun thing that makes me more aware of certain movies, some of which become some of my favorites of the year
@SamU-tc3lf
@SamU-tc3lf 7 жыл бұрын
Oscars, much like any awards ceremony in the arts, is for one reason and one reason only...wait for it...money! Or to be more accurate marketing. This doesn't take away from the merit of any film nominated. But it's just what the industry has now become. Great Video! I'm loving this channel.
@alexanderdrake3712
@alexanderdrake3712 5 жыл бұрын
At 7:48, I thought you were going to say "Citizen Kane is considered by many to be the Citizen Kane of movies."
@nbarrera110
@nbarrera110 5 жыл бұрын
This video reminded me of what Woody Allen said about awards when Annie Hall was nominated, he didn't like that your "favorite" movie implied that it is the "best" picture. He talked about track as well and said that it's nice because you know who the winner is. I'm paraphrasing by the way look up the video yourself.
@theorangeninja6486
@theorangeninja6486 4 жыл бұрын
Fix: appoint directors, actors, authors, and artists to the board of judges, and don't limit the number of Oscars you hand out. If more than one film deserved it, give an oscar to more than one film.
@MinecraftCutiepie
@MinecraftCutiepie 7 жыл бұрын
I would recommend you watch the Vox video on bad typography and graphic design's consequences for this years' Oscars, it's really interesting
@aniconomics
@aniconomics Жыл бұрын
They also have a huge underappreciation against foreign films. They also under value animated films as well
@peaterrtyron6870
@peaterrtyron6870 7 жыл бұрын
always insightful.:-)
@masaheimoi
@masaheimoi 7 жыл бұрын
For me the biggest thing is that academy is mostly actors, NOT film critics or people with expertice on that kind of thing. So now it is like doing the competition where there can't be winners, while judges are not right for the job.
@spunkyspaz
@spunkyspaz 6 жыл бұрын
It would be even worse if it was decided by critics. Have you looked at Rotten Tomatoes and the difference between what viewers think is good (or not good) and what critics think is good (or not)? Critics are a sham, I'm pretty sure most of them are bought off.
@KathrynMoncoeurFilms
@KathrynMoncoeurFilms 6 жыл бұрын
the academy is actually quite large and contains people from every aspect of the industry! Many of them don't even live in Hollywood or attend the oscars. we just pay the most attention to the most famous people!
@jonasstrzyz2469
@jonasstrzyz2469 6 жыл бұрын
You still end up with the problem of not there being no unanimously agreed upon constitution or laws by which to pass a sentence. This and analogy of course, and in this case the sentence is judgment and a reward or lack thereof. Yet you cannot ignore it. And for those exact same reasons, I cannot value the Nobel Prize.
@___xyz___
@___xyz___ 4 жыл бұрын
Timing is also a problem with subscription services' update release schedules. Take the most simple example of a newspaper. If there is nothing happening, but you still have paying customers, as a journalist and editor you have to write and release an article. Sometimes this forced creativity gives yields poor writing, wrongly emphasised topics or trends. With video games and technology it might mean that a company would need to justify their product, or shift their customer's attention away from the it to avoid unnecessary attention to the lack of improvements to the previous edition, where improvement may in fact have been nearly impossible due to limited advancement. I think that psychologically scheduled deadlines is a very powerful restriction that forces people to tackle unforeseen problems, but when it comes to competition; in the market and in art and culture, it may sometimes be a bad idea.
@BlenderDumbass
@BlenderDumbass 5 жыл бұрын
The movie is good is WHEN I PERSONALLY LIKE IT... Nothing else matters
@8r8i8c8k8
@8r8i8c8k8 7 жыл бұрын
I strongly disagree with this video. First, you can compete in telling stories, as a matter of fact, people do that ALL the time. Amateur writers usually engage in contests where there is going to be one clear winner. You know why you can do that? Because you can judge, objectively, if a story is good or bad. Sure, people might have disagreements in some points, but it is very clear to many that lord of the rings return of the king is a better movie than Taken 3, despite they sharing very little in common besides being the third instalment of the franchise. Second, there are other competitions where there is no direct one on one confrontation and you still declare a winner, like a Kung Fu demonstration or sinchronized swimming. There are scores, penalties and all that good stuff, and you declare a winner at the end. The thing with the academy is that it became the olympic games for movies: the best of the best are there, so it is usually hard to give an edge to any particular movie. Finally: of course sometimes the academy makes a mistake. Sometimes there is a great movie that isn't nominated, sometimes it was even the best movie of that year. That is part of being human. The only arguments that make sense in your video to me are the ones regarding corruption and/or inherent biases of the academy, but that is a problem for any type of award ceremony. You could have something different to celebrate movies, sure, but I don't think the Oscars are bad or futile per se.
@thebravezombies
@thebravezombies 6 жыл бұрын
You forgot about the horrendous voting. Voters rank movies from 1-5 (1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th, or 5th). A movie needs 50% of 1st ranking votes to win. Let's say theirs 3 movies that have 35%, 20%, and 10%. Since no one has reached 50%, the lowest 1st placed movie (10%) is eliminated and is distributed to the other movies depending on their 2nd choice. Basically, a lot of the time the 2nd place movie is picked as a winner because a lot of 1st place votes go to the 2nd choice movies.
@WendellsCat
@WendellsCat 6 жыл бұрын
The Emmys are different in that you can nominate a show over and over. The same entity has a chance to win again next year and the year after that. As far as these awards shows, I will quote what Jon Stewart said as he won the tenth in a row for Best Late Night show, for The Daily Show - "Years from now, when the earth is just a burning husk and aliens visit, they'll find a box of these and they will know just how predictable these (expletive) things can be."
@smareng
@smareng 6 жыл бұрын
How else do you propose do recognize talents that aren't based on a specific metric and require judgement from a body or panel. No matter how fair you try to make it, it's always going to be subjective. I think most creative professionals accept this and just accept the praise wherever it comes from. As a filmmaker, I'd accept a glowing review from the most distant corner of the world with the same enthusiasm as winning an Oscar. (BTW, the one in my thumbnail pic is a gag photo from an Oscar party).
@BeanoNintendo
@BeanoNintendo 6 жыл бұрын
Surprised you didn't mention the 2004 Oscars or the concept of Oscar Bait in general. That was the year that Crash beat out Brokeback Mountain, Capote, Good Night and Good Luck, and Munich which were all films that the majority of people outside of the academy felt were more deserving of awards.
@priscillaarinze8645
@priscillaarinze8645 7 жыл бұрын
Why did yah hit me with the John Cena clip? I spilled my coffee... 😂
@belisarius6949
@belisarius6949 7 жыл бұрын
but when all these are removed and you can look forward and the road is clear ahead, and now you’re going to create something - I think that’s as happy as I’ll ever want to be.
@alxjones
@alxjones 6 жыл бұрын
Who gets to decide what is "supposed" to be competitive? You might say music is not competitive, but as someone who performed in multiple competitive music ensembles, as well as solo competitions, I'd say it very well is. Some may see cheerleading as entertainment as a football game, but I have friends and family who we competitive cheerleaders. Anyone I know that has willingly been a part of something competitive has enjoyed it. Issues like timing are a thing in EVERY competition. The Patriots could play at the exact same level in two different seasons, but one season they might win the Super Bowl and another they might not even make the playoffs, depending on how many other teams there are which are as good or better than them. It doesn't mean that they are worse that year, but if you look at the comparison, it seems that way. It may be the case that the 2018 Patriots are better than every team in 2017, but the Eagles were just even better that year. That's just how it is. Auditions and job interview are the same, and arguably the stakes are higher. You can be a near perfect fit for some position, but if you happen to end up competing against on of the few people who may be a better fit, you lose. I think you do have a point here, but it's not that movies aren't "supposed" to be competitive. It's that the movies aren't (in general) made in a competitive framework. This is important because competitive version of art do vary from noncompetitive versions. Competition material is meant to be impressive, so people making the art will make the thing that is most impressive, and if they know how the judges are rating them, they will cater towards that rating system. The Oscars (and similar awards) are a competition between works of art made for different purposes -- some competitive, some artistic, some commercial -- which is clearly an unfair sport.
@XxKINGatLIFExX
@XxKINGatLIFExX 7 жыл бұрын
Your videos are slowly enlightening my life
@raphaelmarquez9650
@raphaelmarquez9650 6 жыл бұрын
It also treats animated films and summer blockbuster films like crud when these are the type of films the general audience give a crud about (not PG-13/R-rated drama films no one's ever heard of despite being the type of movies they want from blockbusters).
@eragon78
@eragon78 7 жыл бұрын
I like your work [and recognize this is an opinion piece.], but i do have two objections. 1.) Stuff like the Oscars is mostly for entertainment [people like drama] and for money. [it does generate quite a bit]. 2.) This would also include stuff like Nobel prizes. While this may or may not be a good thing, its a thought to consider.
@mikerivera373
@mikerivera373 7 жыл бұрын
Last year, out of the movies that were nominated, I saw Hacksaw Ridge, Hidden Figures and La La Land. And I agree, I have no idea how you could declare any of them to be the "best picture." I would personally say Hacksaw because the movie actually left an impact on my life, but if you were to say either of the other two were the best, i wouldn't be able to argue. Really, the whole thing is so subjective, it's not fair to declare a winner.
@newworldoldproblems7585
@newworldoldproblems7585 7 жыл бұрын
Well done! I think another criticism is that the Oscars does in some instances it does make story telling competitive. There is a competition to make the most vogue film possible to win the award and get the acclaim. Oscar bait is real.
@brianforbes8325
@brianforbes8325 3 жыл бұрын
This entire video is right on the money. Very well-argued and well-produced.
@The482075
@The482075 7 жыл бұрын
I enjoyed the video. Thing is you posed a very interesting idea that was never fully explored. "Surely there must be a better way to appreciate films than this." I would love a video about alternative ways to celebrate films.
@caitthecat
@caitthecat 7 жыл бұрын
I feel like this could apply to certain sports, as well, like figure skating or gymnastics. I know it's fun to be competitive, but how fun can it be to win something for an arbitrary reason?
@K9JT
@K9JT 6 жыл бұрын
I think that there should be an awards ceremony only once a decade, this might be more fair if you want to compare movies and celebrate true classics. Also, there should be multiple winners for categories, like 5 or even 10.
@robbi4219
@robbi4219 7 жыл бұрын
great vid as always, but I have a couple of things to mention. first, when talking about DiCaprio, you are making it sound like he would have won in another year, which is very hypothetical. secondly, many people complain that they never nominate Blockbusters. The thing is that many Blockbusters play it very safe and don't take risks when it comes to filmmaking, often making them cinematically (cinematography, editing etc.)quite uninteresting even if they are entertaining. Thirdly, I agree on the bias thing, although you kinda glossed over the massive amount of lobbying one has to do to get nominated. The Academy don't watch all Films, so the Films need to be brought to their attention one way or the other, leaving smaller and underperforming Films (e.g. the nice Guys) in the cold. lastly, I believe that one of the main reasons for the Oscars is Marketing. winning, or even being nominated boosts the publicity, which is why all that lobbying is even worth it. this, plus all the things you mentioned is a reason why many people, especially KZbin critics don't care much about the oscars
@sierrafirerider
@sierrafirerider 6 жыл бұрын
You also forgot a thing. They have so many genres for movies yet there's only one for animation. It's a medium, not a genre. They also choose a lot of Disney movies versus movies that are from lesser-known companies. But yeah, I think they should replace the Academy Awards with a large enough film festival that spans at least a month if they want to recognize good movies. Also, the Academy Awards is a sham, just like you said, but for a different reason. Bigger companies can buy their awards from the judges if they wanted to. It's like betting on a horse that is pumped with steroids. They don't leave any chance that other well-done movies actually win, even if the bribed movie sucks.
@Alpha80Dread
@Alpha80Dread 7 жыл бұрын
Loved your video. The Academy awards is one of the times you gotta just say "It is what it is."
@Quaabo
@Quaabo 7 жыл бұрын
The concept of film competitions is really good on a regional level or for amateur film makers to gain attention.
@Benforeva
@Benforeva 7 жыл бұрын
Awards like these aren't supposed to be competitions, or certifications of goodness so I disagree with most of your points. They are meant to be endorsements of your work from your peers. Many industries with professional associations hold events like this. We know many in the industry treat it as a contest and produce Oscar-bait movies that have a high chance of winning an Oscar but this is not the spirit of the ceremony. But I like the idea of giving awards to nominees rather than picking a winner from a group of nominees.
@neurofiedyamato8763
@neurofiedyamato8763 5 жыл бұрын
The best way to celebrate a film is to make it in to the National Film Registry or your nation's equivalent. Being recognized as a significant historical entertainment achievement of a particular country that should be preserved for as long as possible, is far more honoring than a random golden statue for being the best in a single year.
@thomasfplm
@thomasfplm 3 жыл бұрын
It would be interesting to have an award that would be given to movies made at least 20 years before, preferably separately for various categories of films and that could have zero winners or more than one winner in each category for movies that are remembered and/or influenced the culture and the film industry.
@Mollari42
@Mollari42 6 жыл бұрын
You are completely right though, this is art and no matter how, broadly speaking, one film might be more popular than another, really it's all very subjective and all of this rather takes away from the purpose of art. To show just how silly the whole thing is they ought to just base the triumph on how much each film grossed, it would certainly show just how cynical the whole thing is, but would at least add a little more substance to the _competition_ !
@AVAL2775
@AVAL2775 6 жыл бұрын
The problem with the academy awards is that its just a popularity contest, actual good films get snubbed for films that happen to have more budget (ie a silent voice being snubbed by the boss baby)
@PenfookioGaming
@PenfookioGaming 7 жыл бұрын
My favorite thing about the oscars is movies I have never heard of winning and movies I watched and enjoyed that year not even getting nominated.
@Richard_is_cool
@Richard_is_cool 4 жыл бұрын
Why there are is a billion more skyscrapers in the Oscar theme than in actual LA? Looks like Sao Paolo.
@hoodiesticks
@hoodiesticks 7 жыл бұрын
I don't really know anything about the Oscars, but everything you described ... isn't that how the nominations should work? If several films come out in the same year and are all amazing, wouldn't they all get nominated? And if only a few great films come out, wouldn't only a few get nominated?
@Richard_Nickerson
@Richard_Nickerson 5 жыл бұрын
Did Clyde reveal the winner of a category that hadn't been read yet?
@avc9103
@avc9103 7 жыл бұрын
Perhaps, in a perfect world, the Oscars are just an annual event in which a bunch of people talk about which movies they thought were generally the best that year. No concrete statement that this movie is *the best*. Just, these should all be considered cinematic achievements.
@joatmon6132
@joatmon6132 7 жыл бұрын
You are so right! Seeing as Hollywood is so social justicy now, Stop giving out Oscars to the winners and just give out Oxen to everyone.You know, equal out comes for all. Participation Awards.
@erikbertram6019
@erikbertram6019 6 жыл бұрын
Hmmm I have two things. First there are many competitions with subjective measurements of winning, say horse riding. still I can appreciate the competitive element, which has everyone striving for a better performance. Also it is simply fun to be in a competition. Second of all, a winner is always with respect to a competitor. This doesn't mean that the competition is wrong, but only that people should view the award with the competitors in mind. Thirdly you suggest there is a better way, but I wouldn't know of a pragmatic alternative to the competition. This left me quite curious. Personally I'm fine with no alternative at all as I only really care about how much I could appreciate the movie myself. PS: I don't think you'll read this as the video is quite old, but if you do, I really appreciate your videos so thanks!
@RayRay06122
@RayRay06122 7 жыл бұрын
Seeing the Miss Universe image made me think of a possible subject. Many people argue that pageant degrade women yet others say they empower woman. What would you say?
@zacharyoleszko1981
@zacharyoleszko1981 7 жыл бұрын
#unexpectedcena Oh yeah, and the rest of the video was really great and gave me new perspective, per usual. Keep up the good work, man.
@trolleymouse
@trolleymouse 7 жыл бұрын
This is why I liked NerdCubed's old award system. 1) pick a game/movie/whatever that deserves an award. 2) come up with a way to phrase it as "best ___" afterward. Everything good gets an award, and nothing gets one for being less mediocre than its competition.
@AndrewPRoberts
@AndrewPRoberts 6 жыл бұрын
Why don't they give Oscars to a group of winners? Like every time I look at the list for best picture or best actor, I can go down the line and say, "yeah, I could see them all winning". That's because, depending on how I feel that day, I might resonate with any of them over the others. If that's the case, then they all succeeded. Great example; La La Land vs Moonlight. You even said in the video, that everyone clapped and the music played. That's because it was just as believable that La La Land could've won. I would consider it just as "great" of a film (whatever that means). I think that definitely shows how meaningless it actually is. Different films have different audiences, and aren't all trying to achieve the same goal. Just imagine if the winner were the entire group of nominees; I just think that would be a lot more accurate.
@donovanyeung2628
@donovanyeung2628 7 жыл бұрын
Could you make a tutorial on how to make arguments/counterarguments?
@eengineer1able
@eengineer1able 5 жыл бұрын
All competitive pursuits suffer from a timing issue. Some years in sports are populated with teams so good they could each individually beat all the teams in other years. Thus, due to bad timing, some teams will never win the top competitions and will never get the recognition skill alone would warrant. This is also true in business, true even at university, true in life in general. There is no simple solution to this.
@undeniablySomeGuy
@undeniablySomeGuy 6 жыл бұрын
Is it pressure cooker playing in the background?
@firebird6136
@firebird6136 5 жыл бұрын
At the point where the host questions the point of it all, the actors onstage seem to be questioning whether the award really matters...
@whatevereyewant
@whatevereyewant 7 жыл бұрын
Matt Pat on the Film theory channel did a good vid about the formula for winning an Oscar which speaks to how he talked about there being a panel of actors in the academy here. Go check that out, yo!
@RKamomil1
@RKamomil1 5 жыл бұрын
The best way to celebrate movies is by the tons of video essays on KZbin about films.
@EbinElm
@EbinElm 7 жыл бұрын
For a returning to new content video, this was an excellent choice. Loved it.
@GeahkBurchill
@GeahkBurchill 7 жыл бұрын
You said "Futile" but I heard "Feudal" and I think both are correct.
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