THE ACOLYTE Episode 6 REVIEW - The Force is STRONG With This One

[@ClarkwBrunson]

“He disrobed, and let her grab the saber “- John Rocha 😂😂 Best quote ever

[@Vulcanerd]

I can hear Rocha going, "Hhheeyyyooooohhhhh!" as I type this 🤣

[@ClarkwBrunson]

@@Vulcanerd literally 😂

[@cedricwilcox7583]

😂😂😂

[@atari1994]

Creepy.

[@afanofpeanuts7381]

That's what happen

[@commandZee]

After seeing Smylo's dripping ripped traps and delts, Osha was like, "Yeeeeaaah... I think I'll stick around and let this guy's hate flow through me."

[@MysticTroll]

Did you ever hear the tragedy of Darth Cheeks the DingDong?

[@braddollahite]

😅😅😅

[@josh_rock]

That whole scene with Bazil and Mae was slap stick goofy. I get it was trying to be a “funny” moment for kids but the way it was pulled off made zero sense. We’re dealing with a character that killed 2 masters and is swapping place to kill another and we get this ACME cartoon scene.

[@bctalkspod]

That 100% felt like a Dave Filoni note that he forced them to add in to keep things light and kid friendly

[@Secretsongs20]

SW has always been goofy and meant for teenagers.

[@josh_rock]

@@Secretsongs20 Note how I stated I understood it was meant to be a moment for kids but the execution was off.

[@Secretsongs20]

@@josh_rock I disagree. But art is subjective. It’s a Disney show. Maybe you’re too old for it.

[@agahnim0196]

Oh you mean like a frog-bunny goofing around a battlefield while the most epic duel is happening? Or like a teddy bear hitting itself in the face with a sling? Or Artoo flying around burning battle droids in oil? Or Threepio getting on a battlefield with his head swapped with a battle droid? Or getting pieced together backward by Chewie and carried around in a fire fight? I feel like most Star Wars fans have a very selective memory. Star Wars has always had tons of slap stick goofy stuff during otherwise tense or epic moments... And i used to like most of it as a kid... but we grow up and tend to forget that Star Wars is, like George Lucas said, "a movie for 12 years olds"... which we can still enjoy as adults and find deeper meaning in some parts of it. All that being said, Rocha and Shannon are 100% right about the atrocious editing in the show and that editing has been a plague on all Disney+ shows... even more so on the latest Star Wars project. the pacing is all wrong, they fail to build tension and momentum and place comic relief in spots that should either keep the build up going or give a resolution.

[@hoos3014]

I'm enjoying the show quite a bit, but I appreciate the Geek Buddies for being able to express why and how it falls short for them.

[@Vulcanerd]

One of the things I didn’t care for that I found odd was how Sol just completely disregarded Basil and seemed completely willing to leave him on Khofar. And was he aware of Basil once he was on board? And why didn’t Basil go straight to Sol knowing that murderer Mae was on board. Why was he playing hide and seek then with the weird scene with him attacking her for... what?

[@marshsundeen]

Yord was the one who spoke Basil's language. I think Sol knew it was Basil.

[@Faitios]

I don’t think she was seduced by the Darkside, I think she was just a little curious.

[@Vulcanerd]

Osha is totally straight Light Side, but a little Sithcurious... 😛

[@Playhouse76]

I don't disagree with John's point about stretching out the seduction into acts that lasts longer and provides more levels. Setting up some opportunities for Osha to try to escape would've added to her shift. But I genuinely found this effective for what it was. It's the first time on-screen in Star Wars that it felt like a legitimate seduction (and I don't mean the clear thirst-trapping, though Qimir does reference desire as one of the Dark side traits), something quiet and not as operatic as Palpatine's machinations with both Anakin and Luke. I appreciated that.

[@Vulcanerd]

I think the image that the show is projecting for the younger Jedi is that they are wide eyed and in over their heads and the older masters are stolid bureaucrats detached from some of the things going underneath their noses.

[@ZachBobBob]

Can't believe Michael's missed the horniest Star War yet

[@adamjimenez9003]

Why was Trinity not cast as Venestra if her role was going to become big, which I think it will when they reveal that she was the master of Quimere and she will probably be the only one to live and blame Sol for what happened.

[@JohnRochaSays]

Great question.

[@TheJoshLange]

I think either her agent told them "no way she's getting in full face makeup" or Disney said "if we're paying for Carrie Ann-Moss, we want to see what we paid for." Or she objected to the makeup herself possibly.

[@jollyrayda]

Maybe Carrie-Ann Moss did not have time/desire to play more than a glorified cameo. We rarely get insight into the casting process.

[@adamjimenez9003]

@@TheJoshLange hahaha see what we paid for doesnt sound likely given we have seen her like 10 mins total in the show, but yeah i get your point we dont reqlly know a lot about casting.

[@adamjimenez9003]

@@jollyrayda i would 100% buy that, and yes we dont really get insight into that process

[@Vulcanerd]

Was Michael not available today bc he overheated at how hot Qimir is? Was really hoping to get some Michael too. I certainly hope he doesn’t have the vapors 😝🤣

[@JAYmeeFromAmerica]

Fifty Shades of Sith

[@empyrealone]

Talking about the speed at which Osha was "seduced", its not like she turned to the dark side. She tried a helmet on. Shes curious as to what he has to say. John is making it sound like she turned into a Sith in a day.

[@Vulcanerd]

I don’t know if Sol knew it was Mae from the start or not, but regardless, he was just willing to leave Osha on the planet surface with killer moths? Wouldn’t he have turned around to go save her regardless of when he realized it? What was the point of stringing Mae along? What was the endgame with the charade onboard the ship?

[@Jiraiyashouse666]

💯...Once he finally realized that Osha was Mae, he would have immediately demanded to Mae; "Take me to OSHA immediately" then returned to look for the real Osha because as far as he and Mae knew... she was still down there unconscious. Only after finding evidence she was taken by Smilo would he go on his space chase.

[@MostViewedTop40]

I find both Rey falling for Kylo and Osha falling for Qimir annoying. It is actually the opposite of what the writers want. It is the idea of the dangerous man being seductive and appealing. The problem is that these are not just bikers you get a tingle from because they are a bit edgy. They are clear mass murderers who have harmed the woman falling for them. So to me it's not a teen fantasy and more like a story about falling for or staying with an abuser. There is this idea of saving this bad man with the Rey storyline at least, but it's poorly done and the length of their relationship is too short for it to make sense. Both Rey and Osha have some kind of void in them or weakness of character which leads them to pick terribly. I don't' find that appealing.

[@EricFieldDesign]

Overall I want to enjoy this show, but it's starting to feel like it was a 90 min movie that they decided to pad to turn into a series. I just hope it finishes strong.

[@DaNewWaveLee]

I wonder why it couldn’t be 10 episodes with an average run time of 45 mins.

[@jim1242]

Yeah it felt like Disney wanted to have their cake and eat it by giving week to week release but not have long enough episodes to have story archs within the episodes. It just feels like a long (badly written) movie cut up into 8 piecies. Disney should have dropped either all at once to binge or at least in 4 episodes at a time..

[@SerenityValley84]

I'm shocked they left that Bazil and Mae "fight" scene in, it did not work.

[@iamjacks1290]

The jarring tone changes and pacing issues can only be explained by studio (Filoni) meddling. It feels like two different shows were filmed and they have Frankenstein'd something together. Perhaps that can explain where 180 million went...

[@jim1242]

37:10 agree, if you are going to cast a family member in a role, knowing there will be accusations of nepotism you make damn sure they give a good performance. We always joke that James gunn casts his brother in everything, but at least Sean always delivers. If Lesley or the directors were uncomfortable telling Rebecca Henderson she was not delivering the lines well enough this is a clear conflict of interest..

[@amstel5468]

This guy Smilo Ren has excellent screen presence and could become a great anti-hero!!!

[@susanwitkowski5802]

Manny is killing this role!

[@thomasedwards1512]

Completely agree about Vanesstra the character does nothing for me which has led me not to care about her storyline at all.

[@angelwings4191]

I think a big part of the seduction was the point that...she was choosing not to escape. If she had tried and failed, Osha would once again be in a position where her choice was being taken from her. It's clear, to me at least, that what she has wanted since childhood is freedom, just like Qimir and the fact that in every interaction they have he is giving her that freedom of choice is...the point. In order to make her shift effective, she needs to have the ability to choose, and he's allowing her that. And because she has the choice to leave, she stays willingly.

[@Playhouse76]

Agree with Shannon -- eh, eh! 😃-- on Rebecca Henderson in the role. She's playing "I've got a secret" very one-note and with no nuance. It's self-serious and unengaging. She looks constantly numb from shellshock.

[@PaulH7791]

All I can say is Thank God Andor Season 2 is still coming. We still have Diego Luna! Lucasfilm can make whatever they want for todays audience, Just give me an adult Star Wars every few years.

[@hilneloms5382]

I'm sticking with this show to the end even though its a roller coaster of cool moments and huh? moments for me. For me, Manny Jacinto is the only consistent part of this show I truly enjoy.

[@suzygirl1843]

He's the Star Wars version of Twilight. he even looks like Robert Pattinson

[@Tyler_Pifer92]

This episode sums up the entire show for me. Good ideas, poor execution.

[@mpg3946]

Ironically it’s what we said about the prequels.

[@jaylonbanks2604]

I agree, there are moments I enjoy. Qimir and Sol have been the standouts. But the Twin storyline is not working for me, especially Mae’s story. Her motivations don’t make sense to me. I want to enjoy this show more but it’s just not clicking. I hope the last two episodes close everything out strong.

[@craig0weston20]

This needed to be a twelve episode season.

[@philrm99]

I've been enjoying the debate I've been hearing if Qimir is a Sithlord or a Knight of Ren

[@Playhouse76]

Eh, the Vernestra joke about travel in hyperspace -- which does make much more sense to those of us who've read the High Republic books -- was throwaway enough to work on a level similar to Weinberg telling Kaffee to remember to get dramamine for their flight to Cuba in 'A Few Good Men' and Kaffee saying that dramamine won't help because his nervousness is over potentially flying into a mountain. But it would've hit more with better delivery.

[@marshsundeen]

This show does have kids watching too. SW usually has elements for the younger set. Personally, I love Basil. I am in my fifties.

[@thecriticandtheuncle5784]

Agreed. YA is ok

[@willfilmon182]

Find neck snapping, implied nudity and sexual innuendo inappropriate for younger children

[@marshsundeen]

@@willfilmon182 I am speaking of 11-12 year olds and up.

[@KnightFoxx1190]

Mae is the Lindsey Graham of Star Wars. She loves to flip flop between evil and good.

[@Vulcanerd]

To be fair, Graham has flipped and stayed the spineless coward he is for a few years now 😅

[@brandonmiracle9810]

Shannon about to incur the wrath of the Mog Squad

[@dirtyhawkstv1575]

If you go back to the first episode, the prisoner stated he sensed the darkness in the Jedi killer.

[@larynOneka8080]

There's no basis to say that Osha should have put up more of a fight against Qimir. Nothing about Osha has shown that she is a fighter. Osha actually seems quite weak to me. I think expecting her to be "powerful" is projection.

[@JohnRochaSays]

So a meknek that is shown in her first scene braving fire and space as she fixes a ship somehow has no fight in her? The person who ran back to get into the fight with Qimir has no fight in her? The person who stunned Mae with the gun has no fight in her? The person who tried to subdue Mae to turn her into the authorities has no fight in her? Ummmm okay.

[@MindofMike35]

Amandla Stenberg is an outstanding actress, and this show is making her look like a scrub!!! It's not her. It's not her fault. It's the writing and the direction!!!

[@zzJayBoy]

First! Been waiting all day for you guys to upload this ❤

[@jim1242]

Mae's constant turns between being a good guy and a villan is on the level of Mac from Kingdom of the Crystal skull. Is she a triple agent?

[@Playhouse76]

I get the impression that they are trying to pin this on her emotional motivations behind her revenge whereas Mac's seemed to be purely opportunistic.

[@hoos3014]

Mae is not turning between good and bad, she is only trying to survive.

[@dkarras]

@@hoos3014💯, as fits the archetype of the vixen in contrast to Osha’s damsel & 2 parts of a whole.

[@suzygirl1843]

@@dkarras Mae just generally wanted everything to stay the same as back home. She doesn't feel anchored to anything accept her sister but Osha rejects her constantly. Can you read about the Silent Twins?

[@shienkalitvinov]

she accepted the darkness because her feelings of loss, desire fear and .... thats why she could never be a successfull jedi.... the sith faction was the only way she could pursue a successful career in sabor twirling

[@Unworshipediety]

Thing is, this show has a lot of cool ideas. But just doesn't give itself enough time to execute them. They have a great writing but they've cut her off at every opportunity to make her job impossible to succeed in. Writers need... time to get a good story in. But, I'm now liking the series but 6 episodes in shouldn't be the point in which that happens.

[@dkarras]

Yeah, I “like” the show (depends greatly on if they stick the landing) but am massively frustrated by the “episodes”. I don’t believe it was written to be delivered as 8 episodes & that was a Dis corporate mandate. I was aggravated by 4 but you put 4&5 together and it plays much better. Again w/ this ep, it has already gotten a bit 🙄 w/ Sol doing Finn’s “I’ve got something to tell you” over several eps but then w/ this ep he gets interrupted 3x! w/ the last being a cut to black that is essentially the end of the ep that had me yelling at the TV. But I suspect if we put 6&7 together it won’t be as aggravating. Based on the avg ep length we’ve got what seems to be a 4hr mini-series chopped up into 8 pieces (hence the odd tags at the end of especially the first couple eps). To me the monomyth themes are on point just in a sometimes frustrating package.

[@craig0weston20]

That stupid stamping on the foot scene reminded me of Bubba Fett chasing android around thrilling TBOBF

[@thecriticandtheuncle5784]

The review is longer than the show lol. That is my main issue with this show.. episodes are not long enough to explore the material.

[@freddyb6105]

They said the save thing about Hayden Christensen's acting in the Prequels🤷🏿‍♂️

[@AkronRain69]

Michael must return for this and HOTD reviews! Great work by you two tho! 👍🏾

[@debso]

It's not really fast considering she's been groomed for this from the start. We gotta let it play out but consider she lost her whole village and was lied to regarding her sister and probably the entire incident leading up to the loss of her family and her village. She was already open. She left the jedi order because she couldn't let her feelings go.

[@JohnRochaSays]

@@debsoIt was 16 years ago and she wasn’t out here looking for answers. She was just living her life and doing her thing.

[@suzygirl1843]

@@JohnRochaSays I urge you to research The Silent Twins from the UK. They were quiet and spoke in a made up language, they made a vow for one to die in order for the other to live among civilization. I am censing they may go in that direction?

[@thechewatson]

Who cast green lady’s apprentice? Terrible

[@Lavolpeengreece]

@@thechewatson The actress is the creators wife

[@edgarortiz1003]

The Boys has Kripke. HoD has Martin. Star Wars…is it possible that Kennedy is just simply not the right person to be shepherding this franchise.

[@IfoundMyMarblesXOXO]

The more this show goes on the more apparent it is that it was a mistake to put the twins in it. Also how bad is it for a show to really start picking up steam at episode 5 and 6 when there are ONLY 8 episodes total. Fire all the people in charge of this show and hire new creatives and executives.

[@jim1242]

agree, the only charcters who are interesting, are giving good performances are Sol and Qimir. But as these are only supporting characters, the show still does not work if the main characters, the twins are not intersting or have weak dialogue.

[@KalvinPatel]

agree

[@yv3652]

Good point. The team chasing a masked assassin from the beginning would of been exciting and intriguing.

[@Secretsongs20]

I couldn’t disagree more. This is a great storyline and has a lot of parallels with the SW movies & elements of the lore.

[@carlrossum]

Is may be possible you are not intellectually equipped to comprehend the show.

[@Flyingdream812]

Michael was sorely missed 😢 a pov on the seductive aspect apart from straight male’s was needed imo no offense

[@dkarras]

❤️ the Buddies but if you’re looking for more perspectives I’d highly recommended the ‘What the Force ?’ Podcast as I suspect you’ll find what you’re looking for (there’s a U📺 channel as well but the necessary ads to help support such a small channel make it a difficult listen on U📺 & there’s no visuals anyway).

[@thechewatson]

I’m with Shannon every step of the way here. Preach brother

[@waydephilpot3749]

Vogel’s always on vacation

[@Mertaranta]

"Maybe we're asking too much of this show?" Maybe people are asking too much of the franchise in general? It's not like it has been known for great writing and dialogue since the original trilogy/first movie. And maybe people don't une in to that? Alls we want is jedis, lightsabers and pew-pew and that's enough.

[@youtongan]

Great points all across the board.

[@cirugo7042]

More baffling character decisions, bad dialog, and really strange out of place humor. The script needed a lot more work before they filmed.

[@mreszotnik]

It is as you guys say: Acolyte is just a bad show with some awesome moments. And it does have a problem with pretty bad writing: 1. Bad, uninteresting exposition 2. Bad characterisation 3. Questionable character decisions that lack explanation Like in episode 6 Mae pulls a knife on Sol, when he has his back turned to her, so I guess she wants to kill him... But then I remember that if she wanted to kill him, she could have achieved that in episode 5, when he was unconscious, instead of wasting all that time on swapping clothes. So what's her deal? Also, the events in episode 6 - on Sol's ship and the unknown planet appear to happen at the same time... Except Sol should have taken off in his ship long before Qimir could transport Osha to Sea planet. So that the two timelines align is purely artificial. Minor stuff like that makes me wonder if there was any quality control on those shows.

[@MrJlin1982]

I really like the show. The last three where great. This season is better to watch in some pears, as a long movie.

[@Ponto-zv9vf]

I don't have your issues. I can accept a tiny green puppet is a master Jedi or a cute force sensitive child of a Mandalorian, I can accept a lot, even the green woman's bad acting, and that super macho English padawan.

[@MrMugen1985]

You guys are SO much nicer about this than I am🤣🤣 but hey if this is your jam; enjoy I just… no lol

[@Tonyoung55]

He killed her friends and she join him off a conversation in a day loo😂who wrote this

[@aaronhall5715]

I feel like the storyline in this episode should've been much earlier in the series so they could've been more fleshed out.... also the Osha/May still feels like an after thought brought in during reshoots.

[@vlogerhood]

No porgs = No Ahch-To

[@Yes_Boy]

more like Darth Thirst Trap

[@venenders170]

I just don’t understand the writing and decisions made. The slap stick humor that was badly done at an inopportune time, Osha being Literally seduced by the guy who tried to kill her, her sister, her mentor and successfully killed her 2 friends and somehow the seduction is working even under that circumstance feels like a tumblr post given a budget and Osha joins her sister in flip flopping motivation for very little reason. At least when a character like Yubshige does it in Shogun it’s interesting and fits his character. And the people behind this show thought it would be fine for Venestra and her group to just walk away from the dead Jedi bodies with zero emotion or reaction as Dan Murrel noticed the line about gathering the bodies was ADR in after shooting.

[@reynaldomcwhiskey6689]

manny jasinto back looking like denzel in the movie Glory 😂

[@sampson3121]

This guy is criticizing star wars writing and direction? HAHAHAHAHA Why do people have such a high bar for this show, yet they want great more "great writing" from Mando, BoB and Ahsoka lol This is a staple of star wars campiness, yet now it matters lol

[@craig0weston20]

Feels like the writers are playing with the fans. Feels were being disrespected for their silly power and intellectual games.

[@Secretsongs20]

I don’t like when reviewers are nitpicking on every single detail of the show. Episodes 5 & 6 were great, and made up for the issues with prior episodes. SW fans had unrealistically high expectations before the show came out, and were bound to be disappointed because the story in their heads always sounds better than what we get. It’s objectively a good show, not a perfect show. The OT also had great issues (Luke & Leia kissed, remember?). Tired of all the toxic negativity about this show. It’s pushing people to send death threats to actors and even to Wookiepedia. Have some grace.

[@JohnRochaSays]

It’s not “objectively” a good show. Nothing in art is objective ever. It’s always subjective no matter how much you try to claim that it isn’t. There has never been nor will there ever be objectively good or bad art.

[@thomasedwards1512]

I thought this was the worst episode so far, no where near great.

[@Secretsongs20]

@@IndianaJake I’ve already unsubscribed

[@Secretsongs20]

@@JohnRochaSays Anyone trashing episode 5 - which has the best combats and dark dialogues we have had in SW in a while - has lost any credibility as a SW reviewer in my eyes. It’s not a perfect show, but it certainly doesn’t deserve the toxic hatred and death threats it’s getting online. There’s a difference between giving a nuanced objective review, and trashing a show you’ve already tapped out of. Anyone can nitpick on details that will be revealed at the end of the show. That’s not interesting.

[@balkibartokomous]

It was clear to me Sol knew it was Mae since the end of the last episode. Qimer and Sol are essentially doing the same thing in this episode which is trying to get Osha/Mae on their side which is why Sol was claiming to turn himself in and confess to everything. It seemed Sol was actually tampering with the ship communications and engines intentionally. All things lead to Sol hiding something much more sinister. My crazy theory, but could it be Sol isn't even mourning the loss of his team, but actually upset that Qimer has exposed or raised suspicions of the return of the Sith which Sol and his Sith Master have been trying to hide. Qimer is the first Ren and is actively against Jedi but also trying to expose the Sith. So ya I am enjoying the show but not the Quibi runtimes

[@togeika]

Yeah. You are asking too much. This is Star Wars.

[@marshsundeen]

I like the show more than either of you. I came in with no expectations, unlike you two.

[@shannonmcclung9405]

I’m happy you’re enjoying it. My only hope (not expectation) was for an entertaining and coherent story, which I’m not getting. But to your expectation point, for an audience to come in with a certain level of expectation isn’t unreasonable. Especially when: 1) Millions of dollars were spent on the production 2) That production was aggressively marketed 3) When that production is part of one of the most popular franchises in the history of cinema. But, again, I’m glad you’re enjoying it.

[@gustavoolivieri6568]

I think in the end it's just childish. It feels like a cartoon for children. (I realized this at episode 4, I think, and I may have commented it back then, in the respective review.)

[@marshsundeen]

Star Wars has always been family friendly. A lot of you forget that.

[@jeremypage3370]

I'm sorry but this show is just no good. Apart from the bad acting and writing, what is going in with the visual aspects? It looks horrible. As far as it having a great idea or concepts, every kid who pulls out all their action figures every day and plays with them has great ideas and concepts. Its putting those ideas on to the screen that is what the "professionals" are supposed to be doing. And they are not.

[@daniellopez3606]

This episode is mid at most 🤦🏽🤦🏽 ugh who put Harvey Weinstein personal secretary like bruh talk about the force is female 💀💀💀

[@alrensha7479]

Episode 6 was trash like Episode 3 and 4.

[@daltonmeadesmith]

I completely disagree with you guys about Rebecca Henderson as Vernestra. That actor brought the bulk of any entrancing gravitas throughout this episode.

[@travisstaggs5136]

My kids 5th grade play had better character development and consistency. And the dialogue for this makes Anakin talking about sand seem riveting.

[@thomasedwards1512]

Worst episode so far for me.

[@shienkalitvinov]

these reviewers are horrible... narrow minded.. think that ahsoka smug scenes were the best... these reviewers are trash... they don't know what they are talking about... and i have nothing to do with making or promoting the tv show... i am not being paid for my statements... finally a star wars show with balls... badass scenes... thumbs down these viewers

[@thecriticandtheuncle5784]

Uncalled for

[@shannonmcclung9405]

😂

[@carlrossum]

Is may be possible you are not intellectually equipped to comprehend the show.

[@JohnRochaSays]

🤣 Yes. That’s the issue. It’s just such a supremely smart show with little to no character development and plot holes bigger than a star destroyer, but we’re not smart enough to comprehend it. 😂

[@carlrossum]

@@JohnRochaSays John, you know it better than all of us, stories have plot holes and some times the characters may not be as flushed out as we may want. The point that we are missing is "This is about reveling a side of the Jedi that has been hidden". The Jedi are flawed and the story depicts that extremely well. But every one is complaining about wokeness, light saber fights not being realistic and ... just about every things that they never have and would not complain in other series.

[@jollyrayda]

@@carlrossum *_BAD_* stories have plot holes. *_BAD_* stories have lousy character development. I care not for identity politics, but I do care about my art, and the construction of this show been incredibly disappointing.

[@deadshade442]

Fine show with potential? This is a gobbledygook

[@Nick_Barone]

I’m jumping to conclusions here, but this show feels like one big long story just to say “Jedi aren’t good”. That appears to be the over arching theme. 🥱😴😴

[@TheJoshLange]

Yep. I'm out