The Acolyte: Season 1 Episodes 3 (Podcast Ep.

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[@magicker8052]

Thank you for the only sensible commentary I could find

[@empireradiopodcast]

You are welcome! Thanks for watching!

[@ajmgdaj]

I don't get it. Where in the canon is it mentioned, that kids are forced to join the order? The only thing mentioned is that there is an age limit. Even Anakin, one of the most powerful and potentially dangerous force users was given a choice, wasn't he? The order didn't want him. ...

[@empireradiopodcast]

in season 6 of the clone wars the Bardottans said they accused the Jedi of abducting their children, so in canon an entire planet/species believed the Jedi were abducting/kidnapping their children based on their own experiences with them. Based on that alone it points to at least some people in the galaxy thinking the Jedi's method of recruitment was problematic. As for Anakin he was a slave and already wanted to become a Jedi. Qui-Gon was quite different than the rest of the Jedi, so maybe his recruitment methods were different too!

[@robbie9723]

Finally an honest review that isn’t just grifting off “Star Wars has gone WOKE”

[@empireradiopodcast]

Thank you!

[@Kenzierose93]

How?? Y’all being for real? You liked it??

[@empireradiopodcast]

Listen to our thoughts and breakdown, and you will see why.

[@andrewlowden322]

@@empireradiopodcast would say the same to you about the "they went in WANTING to hate it"...did you watch or listen to their breakdowns? Nah, so we wont finish your video either. Cheers

[@davestp]

Agree this episode was better than the first 2

[@zedtraffickerz]

How much is Disney paying you 😂😂😂

[@empireradiopodcast]

$0.00 USD

[@oigliyj]

The Force isn't female. The Force isn't male. Its a concept. It doesn't have a gender. Its a reaction to yhe life in the Galaxy. They retconned Anakin being the only immaculate conception in the galaxy. Theres nothing "Star Wars " about this series. Not even mentioning all the contradictions in the series so far.

[@empireradiopodcast]

the big thing that all those who are complaining about magik being used to make Mae and Osha don't know that it is literally canon that Palpatine made Shmi pregnant by using the force. It is also canon that the Sith and Witches were involved with each other leading up to the prequels. Plagueis probably learned how to create life from Witches, and he taught this to Palpatine. I think this is a great backstory to Anakin's birth.

[@magicker8052]

Lol tell me you know nothing about star wars without..

[@ibidiby1]

Enjoyed this episode, very balanced. I wasn't understanding all the hate for the show, seems to be a lot of people hung up perceived wokeness etc. Jeep up the good work.

[@empireradiopodcast]

Thanks for watching!

[@gat2asp919]

The witches of Dathomir dont use the Force. They use Magic.

[@empireradiopodcast]

Magick is an aspect of the dark side of the force. That is canon.

[@gat2asp919]

No people hate it because it's horrible. Can we say toxic 47 more times. Buzz word. The writing is cringe the power of one the power of two the power of 3 Ha Ha Ha. I was waiting for the Count to pop up. The Jedi Robes in the show are literally from Amazon. Spice is a drug in Star Wars so now we're drugging kids? And really the story is the twin did it. The Jedi are just on this planet outside the Republic for no reason

[@empireradiopodcast]

Can you cite your source that the robes are from Amazon?

[@augoosto11]

I respect your opinion, and your right to like whatever you like; but could you illuminate me on a few points I dont recall hearing you mention / discussing (you may have mentioned them in previous breakdowns, but this is the first time your channel has been reccommended to me) 1. Do you find the writing in this show to actually be tight, and well-scripted writing? Or do you just find it to be adequate? I am not talking about the "Brick doesnt catch on fire" type stuff, since there is at least a possibility that is the result of an unreliable narrator; but I mean the show constantly contradicting itself, and forcing in plot contrivances that make zero sense just to keep things moving the way they want them to. examples: "The Thread is not a weapon" followed IMMEDIATELY by both using it as a weapon, and instructing others on using it as a weapon. "Jedi cannot be killed by blades or steel" moments after a Jedi Master was killed by a steel blade. "A Jedi only takes out her weapon if she is prepared to kill!" when we have seen thousands of examples to the contrary. The witches having a level of understanding in the force that the jedi have not achieved in millenia, with a membership exceeding them thousands of times over (it is also canon that Jedi are not frat boys, they are deep thinkers), The Jedi requiring MASTERS to return to the temple in order to have a conversation, when they are literally having a conversation right then over the HoloNet. 2. Do you truly find that the content of the show does not stretch your suspension of disbelief? For instance, there was an extremely overweight jedi in a previous episode. If we know ANYTHING about the jedi, it is that they are required to exercise EXTREME discipline, and mastery over your body and your mind are pre-requisites for becoming a part of the Jedi order. 3. Do you actually think the Star Wars canon benefits from having a new order of witches that overlap massively with the powers of the nightsisters save for their complete and total lack of male members to propogate their beliefs and membership? Do you genuinely believe the story would not have fit better if instead the cult was a group of Nightsisters? Like I said, I totally understand that you liked it, and like the show; and that is totally fine. Totally your right to like it, and I am glad you do. But I feel like there are GLARING flaws with the show as written, and all the discussion of the cheap visuals, and the nit-picking of really questionable moments has totally overwhelmed the actual critical conversation about the show. The problem is not that there is fire in space; the problem is that the Jedi order does not operate even remotely like the Jedi order of the prequels, while simultaneously looking exactly the same. The problem is not that bricks lit on fire, the problem is that the show contradicts its own rules. The problem is not that the show has cast people of all colors and races; the problem is that the show has sacrificed cohesion and immersion at the altar of inclusion. That is just my opinion, you are still welcome to yours, and I would still be very interested in hearing your responses to the three questions I had asked if it is not too much trouble.

[@augoosto11]

@@TheWyattSteeleW we will see. I've yet to hear answers to these questions that don't involve either Olympic level mental gymnastics, or criticism of you as a person (the overweight Jedi has a lazy, built in defense). But, I am totally willing to be proven wrong, and I do my best to be respectful, so that it is clear my criticism is coming from a genuine wish to understand, not a wish to condescend.

[@empireradiopodcast]

@augoosto11 Thank you for your honest questions. We acknowledge that this show is far from perfect, and we acknowledge that the show's creators has an agenda apart from telling an enjoyable Star Wars story. Which is problematic. It will be hard for this show really rise above the rest of the shows we have that are mostly great. For your first question, I (Jeremiah) would say that writing is sub-par on many levels. I actually hated the first 2 episodes because it felt off and it didn't feel like Star Wars to me. I think that this show heavily relies on a quasi "from a certain point of view" story telling. This looks like sloppy writing on the surface, but by the end I think everything will make sense...or at least I am hoping it will. As for your examples I think there are logical explanations for them. Master Indara was killed by a knife, yes, but Mae used a distraction to land a hit. In a sense, Indara was killed by her compassion to save the bar owner rather than just the blade itself. For your second question, your example does warrant the shifty eyes monkey GIF/meme. My negative thoughts on the first 2 episodes might answer this question more adequately. For your third question, I don't think the show would be better or worse with the Nightsisters rather than this new group. I think it is reasonable to believe that multiple groups of people could discover Magick. Also, in this episode, it was stated that these witches were exiled. They might have been Nightsisters at one point. But at the end of the day, this witch coven is just a thing in the past. I do think we will see more of what happen to the witches from a different perspective, but the witches are not the focus of the show. I think you'd like a lot of our content, and I hope you continue to watch our content!

[@augoosto11]

@@empireradiopodcast really appreciate you answering in good faith. I can relate to you feeling like the first two episodes didn't feel like Star wars. That's how I have felt about nearly everything since the force awakens with the exception of Mando season 1, and with the visuals of Rogue One. For me, my love of star wars was started by the movies, but really built by the EU. Almost every story in the EU was made by someone that loved the franchise and source material, and it showed. Kotor felt like Star wars, even though it took place thousands of years before the battle of yavin. The Timothy Zahn novels felt like Star Wars, because the author had an encyclopedic knowledge of the source material before he began to add to it. These Disney Plus shows and sequel trilogy are just a way to push the careers of executives, and directors; and feel as such. I truly believe that for every one of the loose threads I mentioned, two more will pull loose for every one the show ties up, because the show runners care more about making a point than making a good story. I hope I'm wrong, and I hope the show will right it's course and end up incredible. I'll freely admit if it does. Right now though, it just makes me sad. Sad that I don't have the same passion for star wars that I did back in 2012 when I had figure dioramas and more lightsabers than I had clean forks in my silverware drawer.

[@empireradiopodcast]

@@augoosto11 two of us hosts don't know much about the EU but our third host, Andrew, is our EU expert. He does a running segment called, "EU with Andrew". check some of those videos out! We also LOVE Zahn here at Empire Radio btw.

[@magicker8052]

1) the mysterious fire and the mysterious death of the witches is clearly part of the mystery. "A Jedi only takes out her weapon if she is prepared to kill!" was literally a line spoken by the highly confused and angry protagonist not a statement of in universe lore "he witches having a level of understanding in the force that the jedi have not achieved in millenia," this is only their opinion of how the force works. They are clearly an unhinged fringe cult of force users not all that different from the night sisters 2) its a show about space wizards these are NOT the jedi we are use to. We dont know anything about their training methods OR what species the larger humanoid is. In the comics there are Jedi shaped like horses. 3) yes it benefits greatly