Did The Affirmative Action Ban Backfire on ASIANS?

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[@Constancegrace001]

How does it matter if its the same people making the decisions? They can come up with any criteria to determine who gets in and who does not. They'll still let in the people they want in and keep out who they want to keep out. Just different dressing.

[@Rednickincell]

Asian American students who excel in Science and Technology really should be looking at Asia and countries like China to go do their post secondary education China leads the world in 37 of 44 critical technologies of the future Then there is this 👇 China’s universities just grabbed 6 of the top 10 spots in one worldwide science ranking - without changing a thing Published: April 2, 2024 8.29am EDT Updated: April 3, 2024 12.31pm EDT * Where once the list of universities with the highest scientific impact would have been dominated by U.S. and U.K. schools including Cambridge, Stanford, Harvard and MIT, the new top 10 list of universities with high scientific impact includes six universities from China. What does this transformation mean for understanding scholarly excellence? I study the global research system and its contribution to social welfare. China’s swift progress in science and technology, propelled by investments in research and university strength, has alarmed the United States and other nations. Concerns are mounting that the U.S. may be losing its competitive advantage to an assertive rival, with potential implications for national security, economic standing and global influence. These new rankings will likely raise even more alarm. TheConversation

[@Jerpavoo]

yes, they already created an admissions criteria if the candidate has the "potential" for managerial positions in his/her career field.

[@Tinadajo]

​@@Rednickincell Chinese scientific publications are of low quality, and they never produced a Newton, Galileo, Einstein, Oppenheimer, Niels Bohr. Won pitifully few Nobel Prizes (Zero for Korea). Japan won way more Nobel prizes.

[@Rednickincell]

@@Tinadajo that is your opinion 👇 China now global leader in 90% of critical tech research: think tank AUKUS encouraged to join forces with Japan and South Korea to close gap Wednesday. Nikkei

[@Rednickincell]

@@Tinadajo China has a 'stunning lead' over the US in the research of 37 out of 44 critical and emerging technologies, new study finds China leads in 37 of 44 technologies tracked in a year-long project by thinktank the Australian Strategic Policy Institute. The fields include electric batteries, hypersonics and advanced radio-frequency communications such as 5G and 6G. The report, published on Thursday, said the US was the leader in just the remaining seven technologies such as vaccines, quantum computing and space launch systems. It said the findings were based on “high impact” research in critical and emerging technology fields, focusing on papers that were published in top-tier journals and were highly cited by subsequent research. “Our research reveals that China has built the foundations to position itself as the world’s leading science and technology superpower, by establishing a sometimes stunning lead in high-impact research across the majority of critical and emerging technology domains,” the report said. The critical technology tracker shows that, for some technologies, all of the world’s top 10 leading research institutions are based in China and are collectively generating nine times more high-impact research papers than the second-ranked country (most often the US).” fanaticalfuturist

[@Commnteri]

❗️Contrary to popular belief, African Americans are not the sole, or even the primary, beneficiaries of affirmative action. According to the United States Labor Department, the primary beneficiaries of affirmative action are white women. The Department of Labor estimated that 6 million women workers are in higher occupational classifications today than they would have been without affirmative action policies.

[@calamarichris4426]

@Commnteri well im pretty sure these guys love white women and will never attack their Affirmative Action privileges as they do blk people.

[@rosemaryjohnson2322]

WHITE WOMEN aka WHITE MEN

[@jg1238]

Facts!!!

[@bonjourputas]

White gay men right after white women.

[@bonjourputas]

Don't forget the white gay men

[@TheRealZarp]

Black Americans have a very old saying in our community "We done told y'all".

[@aviatedviewssound4798]

Reminds me of my grandpa 😂😂🤣🤣

[@J4-nv8du]

Do you have a direct line to every Asian in the country? Were you making phone calls?

[@nadas.5643]

We also have a need saying F&!k around and find out! Now look they found out.

[@TrollingRacist-ng9fd]

Jc stay mad.

[@paradyne1T101]

​​@@J4-nv8du It's called "Internet Chat Rooms"..COPE!

[@AllThingsShaunda]

It isn’t hard to understand: these schools need to get rid of legacy. A lot of black kids decided not to even apply or choose Ivy League schools and opted for HBCUs instead. Go where you are wanted.

[@iamladyblack1188]

HBCU enrollment was up overall 4% and up to 12% at certain HBCU’s!!! Between George Floyd and the court rulings, you are exactly right. Young ppl are choosing to go where the are wanted and I applaud them!!!

[@TimothyAlexzander]

HBCU's are Ivy League schools

[@drjekelmrhyde]

That's what I never understood about their motive to get rid os AA. Most black kids were going to schools that actually wanted them. Put it like this. Asian just got their wake up call.

[@AllThingsShaunda]

@@TimothyAlexzander some are but not all

[@pascalmatthew7242]

This is a mistake. Ending affirmative action does not mean yo not wanted; you'll leave great opportunities in life on the table if you keep looking for tribal groups rather than focusing on your interests as an individual, and even as a group. David Duke does not want you in America; thus by your logic, you should have moved to Africa. Why haven't you yet?

[@likhwezititus]

Atleast now black kids cant be blamed.

[@agamerjourney9146]

It funny if people try blame African Americans for this.

[@suzettewilliams1758]

People will fund away.

[@XxCørpsegirlXx]

​@agamerjourney9146 it's funny how you think dei is not a problem

[@byroncarter8561]

​@@XxCørpsegirlXx You mean like white women benefitting from affirmative action more than the blacks who actually fought for it.....

[@pglanville]

​@@XxCørpsegirlXxYou are the problem

[@zblackness2510]

I’m just glad they can’t blame black excellence on affirmative action anymore, this is a W

[@wambokodavid7109]

True...now am waiting for them to remove welfare and see those mid western white women blow a gusket😂😂😂

[@rafiqtsm1451]

No it isn’t. Overall black enrollment went down from 15% to 5%.

[@uok6216]

​@@rafiqtsm1451some universities it increased. Especially at HBCUs.

[@umberwyld]

@@rafiqtsm1451It’s a win for group economics for us. Our best and brightest can be educated within our own communities then go on to start and build our their own businesses. We are tired of working in spaces where we have to work harder to prove ourselves just be called “DEI hires”

[@ajgraves8016]

​@@uok6216exactly hbcu enrollment has skyrocketed

[@KandaEzana]

A lot of black students are also now opting for HBCUs

[@majorlazor5058]

Yeah, HBCU enrollment have skyrocketed and can’t keep up with demand. Black students don’t really want to be 5% or less of the college population and deal with the racial BS.

[@likhwezititus]

Good it's better to go where you're actually wanted and appreciated

[@umberwyld]

They don’t have much of a choice. I do think our best and brightest should stay within our community and build up our community.

[@rubylove8041]

They have the same choices as before. Affirmative action in education stop working to the advantage of black students back in 90’s. Back then the Groups gaining the most advantage from affirmative action were white & brown women and immigrants. It later expanded to Asians, disabilities and LGBT. Asians actually exposed the charade of black advantage while simultaneously burning their own house down. The results of ignorance is NOT bliss.......

[@LoneWulf278]

@@umberwyld I agree.

[@JoeJoe-cq1oo]

For all the black people on here, who worked their butts off to get great SAT scores, did all the extra curriculum activities etc. And then worked your butt off at top universities to achieve a better life... Top of the hat to you. Keep grinding and ignore these "affirmative action" trolls.

[@johnnywang206]

Who’s talking about them? Everyone is talking about the ones who got in with lower grades and scores compared to the students who were turned down.

[@KingKong11730]

Yeah what are you even talking about? The average black student had 250 points less on their SAT's compared to Asian students and the black student was still valued higher, leading to school mismatch and absurdly high level of black dropouts from elite universities because they obviously can't compete at the same level as students that got in purely based on their academic criteria. Black students were about 5x more likely to dropout from elite universities than Asians or whites, which defeats the whole purpose and only serves to demoralize the young black student. You can't take data from 1 year from just 2 schools and make up your mind. It will take a while for all the numbers to come out.

[@JoeJoe-cq1oo]

@@KingKong11730 Listen, you recessive chromosome of a human being, a lot of the drop off rate has to do with a lack of finance and economic means. Not intelligence. And if you actually look at the data, it's more white students that drop out of university because they can't afford it. But what you really mean to say, is that Asian people are a lot smarter than black people. And of course, as always, you want to legitimize yourself by equating Asians to white people. Grand. Here are some more numbers for you. Over 4 billion people in the world are Asian, compared to hundreds of million black people. Four Billion Asians, if you guys are that significantly more intelligent than others, shouldn't we see at least a million Asian Einsteins? Where are they? And why is it that Asians are one of the poorest people in the world, with over 1 billion Asians living on $1.90 per day? Stop making this into a race issue. It's not a race issue. It is a cultural, social and economic issue. You would think with your "high" Asian intelligence and your +250 SAT points you would understand the situation.

[@claremcclean3123]

So what! The Asian community got the financial help that was systematically denied to black entrepreneurs to open businesses in black communities. That meant the Asian community got to take that money out of the Black community to pay for the extra lessons, SAT prep and even private schools for their kids. So now, you we still need to even better despite the disadvantages? When the USA wanted to keep the Asian community out, it was the black community that raised our voices and ask for inclusion and fairness for Asians. So now the payback is to squeeze us out when we weren't even in these places in great numbers in the first place.

[@shandagreen3979]

@@claremcclean3123YES and AMEN!! Say it louder for the people with their hearing aids turned off in the back of the room!!

[@jmwtp63]

Step #1 - blame the blacks first

[@Goldenwaters45]

Step 1 get a life bozo ❤

[@cnjt159th]

😂It’s the easiest thing to do at this point.

[@demetreusd.robysr.8446]

Facts

[@xerxes666]

Oh yeah we are the Whole World's Scape Goats🇺🇸🙍🏿🌐🌏🌎🌐🌐😂

[@Goldenwaters45]

@@jmwtp63 step one get a life

[@craigwapples4200]

It’s funny because everyone blamed it in black students but a lot of black students are turning to HBCU’s where we aren’t the minority so basically those legacy students are taken those spots up

[@Rednickincell]

@@craigwapples4200 Asian students are not coming to America or leaving America That’s the real issue Americans are just tooo dum down to see it these days Especially these types are leaving 👇 Reverse Brain Drain? Exploring Trends among Chinese Scientists in the U.S. [ 5 min read ] Updated July 15, 2024 China has been the most important foreign supplier of U.S.-based scientists for more than two decades. While most China-born, U.S.-based scientists intend to stay in the U.S., the number leaving has steadily increased. After the Department of Justice implemented the "China Initiative" in 2018, departures increased by 75%, with two-thirds of the relocated scientists moving to China. Surveyed scientists of Chinese descent in the U.S. report anxiety and new difficulties in pursuing their research, with 61% considering leaving the U.S. and 45% avoiding federal grant applications. U.S. science will likely suffer given the loss of scientific talent to China and other countries. Stanford . eDU

[@rubylove8041]

It is not confusing. It backfired

[@lisaalexander9110]

We tried to tell them!

[@liquidmark5081]

They got hoodwinked

[@taurahelms3068]

[@coppercoloredlibra]

Right the should of let it alone

[@deliciousmonroe85]

Annnnnd still they trying to blame us😂…. ATP it’s normal for us so we will always find away to get an education either way. We already knew what was going to happen and it’s not our business that they didn’t listen🤷🏾‍♀️.

[@antiquity1978]

Now look how it backfired. Elitism is the elephant in the room but they focused on AA???

[@beaniesonna3052]

Yep always have to blame black people and ignore the fact that more than 50% of white students in Ivy leagues are legacy.

[@keymusabe7207]

That how ▫️supremacy works

[@brandonleemoss]

I mean it's a shame that black people have to be the target of this😢

[@Flexed_qt]

We're always the scapegoats. We tried to tell them, but they didn't listen. We aren't going to back anything they do anymore, just like we have since they started migrating here.​

[@onlineonlineaccount2368]

@@keymusabe7207 Asian Americans knew AA where a easy target because alot these right-wing conservative W_americans could hide behind them and spew their rethoric of the so called ''low achieving low IQ AA'' taking in the place of the ''oh so bright and intelectual W and Asians'' at univeristy. That scame narrative is over.

[@josiahdavistv1216]

At least black Americans have hbcu in fact hbcu has a rise in students after the affirmative ban

[@emilehoffman8425]

As a Black American I can tell you HBCUs are not on the same level as HYPS and all the Ivies. These schools are world class research universities that are at the forefront of medical research, artificial intelligence and new areas in chemical engineering. You cannot compare Howard with Johns Hopkins in medical research. My mother is a Howard Alum.

[@Ravenelvenlady]

@@emilehoffman8425 True. It's time Black folk invest in HBCUs to make them rival those other schools.

[@roybrown3391]

@@emilehoffman8425False. Undergrad curriculum & training is the Similar across the schools. It’s only in post-Graduate schools where deep pockets enable more research.

[@OGPimpin]

@@roybrown3391 Very well stated.

[@emilehoffman8425]

@@roybrown3391 You have no idea. You cannot compare Princeton or Yale undergraduate with Delaware state university or Howard. Are you on crack? Undergraduate AI or computer science at MIT is miles ahead of all HBCUs combined. They create their own toolkits for compilers in class. They regularly work on AI GPUs and advance Microservices tools. I know because my nephew attends MIT.

[@WhathehadasSole]

Some in the black community tried to warn you🤷🏿‍♂️

[@xmistaxcashxcoll]

Nah chill get lost. We love your opinion but we asian have too figure this out alone again. We appreciate tho. Stay in your lane. One love. No hate.

[@GawdTy]

@@xmistaxcashxcollhis point is they screwed over other minorities when everyone told you that they weren’t the issue in the first place.

[@craigwapples4200]

@@xmistaxcashxcoll nah a large amount of people tried to blame black students and we definitely tired to tell ya that black people are not benefiting from it and haven’t in a while Everyone came at our necks and we told ya so simple we in our lane ya the ones switching 🤣🤷🏿‍♂️

[@southfieldtrill9690]

​@@craigwapples4200💯

[@mellod5615]

​@@xmistaxcashxcollThe nerve to say stay in your lane when you only targeted Black people to blame for your admissions issues. You didn't stay in your lane or have anything to say about legacies. You deserve what you get.

[@aripope5091]

I guess what I hate the most about online discussions around this topic is how African-American intelligence is questioned. I think as a black person maybe unlike other minorities I get very emotional about and I dont like when it gets there

[@jman1562001]

It reinforces stereotypes about black folk and imo pigeonhole intelligence in one domain. Not to mention the undercurrent of racism. It's bigoted and showcases folks will find erroneous justifications to prove a intellectual point all the while subtly disrespecting our humanity smh. 😤 I check that behavior in my presence or refuse to engage with racist trolls.

[@leslieloudermilk3876]

Just read up and down this thread. Go into the every comment and you'll see it in most.

[@rockysalvatore435]

@@aripope5091 you guys prove you're the most fragile ever. Numbers aren't hate lol

[@KriticalThinker137]

They speak with colonized and enslaved minds. Their high test scores have not given them the critical analysis skills needed to identify root causes.

[@midnightbluecitrus2687]

They have been known we are smart; they have always been afraid and jealous of our power. It's YT frailty. Look at history. They bowed to us. 👑

[@CharlieG407]

Yeah those Asian students were replaced by legacy students (students whose families already went to those schools). There are similar graphs for Harvard as well

[@JunSouljah]

I wish Asians weren't way too focused on school rn because that is the reason for self-hating issues that is prevalent among the ones in America. But this is my opinion though.

[@CharlieG407]

@@JunSouljah unfortunately, higher education into the "professional" fields of work is still one of the best ways to get into the middle class

[@alexisl9426]

What is AF and AM?

[@henrytep8884]

@@alexisl9426Asian men and Asian women couples in mainstream media

[@Rednickincell]

Asian American students who excel in Science and Technology really should be looking at Asia and countries like China to go do their post secondary education China leads the world in 37 of 44 critical technologies of the future Then there is this 👇 China’s universities just grabbed 6 of the top 10 spots in one worldwide science ranking - without changing a thing Published: April 2, 2024 8.29am EDT Updated: April 3, 2024 12.31pm EDT * Where once the list of universities with the highest scientific impact would have been dominated by U.S. and U.K. schools including Cambridge, Stanford, Harvard and MIT, the new top 10 list of universities with high scientific impact includes six universities from China. What does this transformation mean for understanding scholarly excellence? I study the global research system and its contribution to social welfare. China’s swift progress in science and technology, propelled by investments in research and university strength, has alarmed the United States and other nations. Concerns are mounting that the U.S. may be losing its competitive advantage to an assertive rival, with potential implications for national security, economic standing and global influence. These new rankings will likely raise even more alarm. TheConversation

[@KnockoutInvesting]

Legacy is nepotism, racist and classists.

[@suzygirl1843]

America and the UK is about preserving Western hegemony - Nepotism is the sub category. Why are people ONLY understanding this now in 2024?

[@alexmartinez-og8gu]

im sure asian countries are all free of these issues lol

[@Mike-cr2bc]

Legacy is money

[@suzygirl1843]

@@Mike-cr2bc So what? Can't call DEI discrimination if Legacy's are allowed.

[@HasiramaSenju-sd9fl]

​@@suzygirl1843 just because there is 1 form of 'discrimination' doesn't make the other not discrimination. In fact you just put double discrimination on a certain group of people by allowing DEI

[@olzt100]

The only thing that the Supreme Court ruling did was affirm that the US government owes Black citizens reparations. If race should have never a factor in college admissions, but it was and many other areas like housing, employment, criminal justice system, etc were biased. So the SCJ just laid out the plain reason for Black reparations because they have affirmed what should not have happened actually happened and harmed Blacks.

[@joeyscribbles9803]

Very true

[@Hautenani]

👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽

[@LooksByNaheemah]

I’m actually glad this who thing happened so people could see that “POC solidarity” doesn’t exist

[@J4-nv8du]

@@LooksByNaheemah Yeah, black people are incredibly racist towards Asians. Just look at this comment section. God forbid people try to get somewhere on merit.

[@J4-nv8du]

Yeah. Black ppl are constantly creating fiction about Asians to justify their own prejudice. Just look at this entire comment section.

[@Mrbiggntall]

It never did...

[@J4-nv8du]

@@Mrbiggntall Yeah, Black on Asian crime/hate is a thing.

[@andreacheney3593]

@@J4-nv8duSeems to me, 🍞 are the ones h8ing on the azns and twisting themselves into 🥨 to keep you out of their top schools. Y’all going after us, but won’t go after who is really jamming y’all up. WE are a convenient scapegoat. YOUR problems with 🍞 can no longer be blamed on us any more! 😝

[@bootnazz1786]

Can't blame blacks no more

[@jman1562001]

How can they get audacity to blame us 😏😏😏.....we not the gatekeepers and admissions of black students and elite universities aren't even close to 10% at best lol. To think we were taking admission spots from them is absurd on the face of it. Black folks were frontlining for acceptance majority of minorities to get into elite institutions that otherwise would never have allowed them in smh.

[@johnwatson1258]

I honestly think all the data supports the black perspective that white kids were taking more slots from Asian kids than every other demographic combined. The MIT stats shows just how big a difference legacy makes. And we all know white kids overwhelmingly represent legacy admissions. This should spark the thought process that white adjacency will always be just second place for Asian Americans.

[@jman1562001]

How did this affect legacy Asian Americans , one would figure if their is a substantial population of Asians who have graduated 🎓 it stands to reason their are Asian Americans who overrepersent at elite institutions as legacy with descendants of children now going and first generation Asians competing for slots alongside other minorities. Be as it may, those who aren't legacy probably needed that affirmative action leg up to even get in.

[@sanah6933]

They’d rather say it’s confusing data ,than have this thought process. 😂

[@joeyscribbles9803]

Asians don't have white adjacency

[@lolnoob5015]

@@sanah6933I mean it is confusing data, and even if it wasn’t, then why are people upset that affirmative action is gone if it didn’t have any effect non-Asian students? If anything it’s a good thing, now you can go for legacy admissions.

[@babygirla5717]

@@lolnoob5015Oh stfu the only people who will and has gotten effected heavily by affirmative action are you Asian folks and white women. Y’all are literally the only people that benefit from it no one else does. So no the data is not confusing y’all just too afraid to stand up to white folks so you take it out on the group with no protection.

[@Buc-eesGurl]

"And though the forest was shrinking, the trees kept voting for the axe, for the axe was clever and convinced the trees that since his handle was made of wood, he was one of them."

[@mangosandpineapples4301]

This is a very powerful metaphor. 💙💙💙💙

[@OpinionatedBlues]

Crickets on this comment, I wonder why? Nothing but facts.

[@TheTradeuser]

So well said

[@Hautenani]

👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽

[@gisele422]

❤❤

[@michaelraymond4685]

I am black and yes it did backfire on Asians because their Zaddy ended up winning😀

[@bokc_nonpopularsalt1011]

People know better than thus.. We use to live with them we kno how they move 😂

[@K71090]

This came when the Asian hate crime bill was already passed and slowly moving to this problem that they’re explaining.

[@J4-nv8du]

You want it to backfire so it doesn't feel like you had anything taken from you. This is just cope. Pretty transparent. Ethnicity is now no longer a factor, at least in writing. Try supporting merit instead pretending a group of people got fooled to supplement your insecurities.

[@christinesimpson7592]

@@J4-nv8du No my dear, our enrollment has practically stayed the same, it is Asian enrollment has gone down. Based on, as you say, merit🙃

[@J4-nv8du]

@@christinesimpson7592 EDIT: Black enrollment has absolutely gone down, It's right there on Wikipedia even. Crazy how ppl believe the stories they tell themselves. Based on short-term results for something requiring more time. Simple rule that you conveniently ignore. No my dear, you want this outcome to suit your prejudice. It's astoundingly clear to anyone paying attention. Furthermore, if Asians did get played because they valued merit, why would you celebrate this? You can't answer that truthfully because it require self-reflection.

[@Catatonia31]

Denying the truth that eliminating AA wasn't racially motivated or a classist and elitist move is ridiculous. Asians that participated in its removal did so with full bias. Denial is a hell of a drug.

[@KBTadieh]

They listened to racist people who propped them up as the “model minorities” and now they’ll pay for this for generations to come because once a law is enacted, it’s VERY HARD to go back and knock it down. Self inflicted wounds!!

[@snoopyloopy]

California just banned legacy admissions so let's see how that plays out.

[@mr_knowitall]

There's a chance that a lot of schools are gonna see their endowments shrivel up. I wonder if those elite universities will remain elite without them.

[@Candy004]

HBCU enrollment has steadily been increasing for over 10 years. Trayvon Martin, university of Missouri, BLM has had more affect than affirmative action.

[@GeronFletcher]

It’s always been so funny how some people put sooo much stock into wanting to say they graduated from these same like 8 schools like Harvard. The world really doesn’t care that much. When I was younger I worked at an ice cream shop and one of my coworkers was a white girl who was an MIT grad. But I’m black so my perspective is I’d rather go to an HBCU anyway. Everything about the education and the journey is better in my eyes.

[@remixisthis]

It can help for connections. The first black billionaire in the US Reginald Lewis got into Harvard Business (or law, I forget) School by persuading the board to admit him after he did a special summer program. As a result of that he got special opportunities to handle small business funding for minority businesses and got connections to launch his first private equity takeover. Long winded way to say that colleges you go to can influence networking or larger opportunities to accelerate capital growth. For the average person not so important

[@useridcn]

You don't care doesn't mean others don't.

[@lavellelee5734]

I never knew that​@@remixisthis

[@remixisthis]

@@lavellelee5734 check out the book Why should white guys have all the fun which is his bio. The more interesting part is actually how he started his investment firm. He goes into a lot of details of how he setup he deals and maneuvered it at that time

[@OGPimpin]

@@remixisthis Thats grad school, undergrad doesnt matter as much

[@bishop51807]

We are not a full merit based society. Humans are social based creatures so who you know does matter, that's why we had legacy admissions.

[@FortheLoveofMonsters]

legacy admissions is about money, not who you know. Someone’s family being socially well connected is not the same thing as legacy admissions. Legacy admissions go back generations.

[@jglenn2282]

@@FortheLoveofMonsters Legacy is about money, the family historic connection to the school and who they know.

[@JadedeaJade]

Do you think a merit based society would work in the US? I've been thinking about this for awhile.

[@Overseer-ls8ri]

@@JadedeaJade a strictly merit based society doesnt work in america or anywhere and they have never eixisted. rome was the closest to that and it was HEAVILY classist and aristocratic

[@BokushingusKendoTV]

Guys. The biggest problem is legacy. That’s why California is banning legacy. Legacy is not a stereotype. My college was all Asian, Legacy and international students(Rich).

[@mr_knowitall]

So what you're saying is that there will be an uptick in international students?

[@BokushingusKendoTV]

@@mr_knowitall there’s an increased possibility. The good thing is that a lot of institutions have been called out. If you come from a super rich international family, you will get in no matter your GPA. My son was telling me in one of his classes, he sat next to a super rich kid from an Asian country. He never did any of his own work. Didn’t have a clue about anything. He would barely pass exams: finals, etc. My son said he just partied and picked up girls. Not saying every international student is like this, but colleges do like international admissions because they pay up to 3x more. I went to a Respiratory Therapist program in 2 yr college. I think I paid for all my pre reqs and the program about 10k. But I was dating this girl from S.Korea. She paid 30k for her AS. Degree. After graduating, she went to UCSD where her parents paid for that degree.

[@yourfavpersuasion9385]

lmaoooo they blamed black women and look at the students now!! look at karma. its actually now hispanics getting in more.

[@Rednickincell]

Most Asians I know knew they were not going to change a thing because it wasn’t really about affirmative action and Those students who brought the lawsuit actually went after Legacy Admissions The Supreme Court just ruled against the Legacy Admissions lawsuit part of it That’s because it’s America where it’s okay for even the bleeding heart far left progressive snow fl aches to be raycyst against Asians In Hollywood and Higher Education You should type into You Tube search and listen to the audio of these lawyers for Harvard arguing in front of the US Supreme Court… It was actually painful to hear the lawyer speak (“Why Do You Do It?’: Samuel Alito Grills Harvard Lawyer On Alleged Asian American Discrimination”) 👆 He did argue that there was no way they could model that discrimination But the Harvard lawyer did state Paraphrasing…. Yes we racially profile we immediately triage and put an Asian American application into a pile based on their ethnicity…. of people lacking, integrity , courage, kindness, empathy etc for a personality But it’s not discrimination/racism because the Asian Americans who finally did make all the way to the 👉Alumni Interview Process???? Well these Asian American students …. scored just as well as any other race of students when rated on personality, so no discrimination/racism by Harvard

[@suzygirl1843]

Black women should rest, honestly. No more protesting for at least a century

[@yourfavpersuasion9385]

@HarmonyHorizon-im3pq I know but i am talking about who asians were upset about when it came to affirmative action to begin with!

[@yourfavpersuasion9385]

@@suzygirl1843 AMENNN

[@elisabettajdj335]

imagine getting all the benefits and still be a loser... the story of black people everywhere

[@mrsoshadabaadman]

I love how my Black brothers and sister's did not waste a second protesting 😂. Cause they knew who the beneficiaries of Affirmative Action werent them 😂

[@J4-nv8du]

Doesn't stop you guys from flooding any video about AA to write up fiction to support you biases, though. Tons of casually racist, completely false narratives being pushed here and no blacks ever call it out for what it is.

[@J4-nv8du]

Your brothers and sisters sure do spout a lot of hateful fiction in these AA-related vids, though.

[@mrsoshadabaadman]

@@J4-nv8du And how does that relate to them not protesting this bullshit?

[@J4-nv8du]

@@mrsoshadabaadman Because they're protesting here, isn't that obvious? What's more, they're doing it by creating fiction to justify their prejudice. All the while pretending it's not even happening.

[@J4-nv8du]

@@mrsoshadabaadman Because they're protesting here, obviously. Only they do it by creating lies to justify prejudice.

[@whenniceguysretaliate5619]

Not all Black People require Affirmative Action, if it's solely based on Economics and/or GPA. And if that's the case: My question is; out of all the people that used Affirmative Action, how many were actually Black and needed Affirmative Action? Also, I've never "knowingly" met another Black Person that actually used the program or knew what qualifies a Black person for the Program. At least, that I can think of. That being said, I would think the main purpose of Affirmative Action would be for Blacks that qualify Academically and possibly Economically; "but wouldn't normally be accepted" into the institution/college/corporation based on their Race and Social Status. Which would be to combat issues such as Redlining. Ironically, this was also an issue with Blacks not being allowed to fight in wars and fly airplanes in the past. Furthermore, Segregation was also in sports, communities and schools. So, it's understandable why some in the Black Community would be hurt in this situation as it can appear to resemble regression instead of progress. Especially, as some in the Asian Community seek to not be discriminated against just fought one of the tools used to keep Black Community from getting discriminated against.

[@jmarshel]

Facts. This is something that people of Non-Chocolate communities don't understand. The other thing is they don't understand that Chocolate folks weren't the only people that AA protected.

[@hoodhippychick]

White women have historically benefited from AA - then other non whites- black people were last to fill in these quotas. No one takes into account it was always a quota- it’s not a flood gate was opened to let non whites in any institution.

[@ivybee347]

You don't understand what affirmative action is. Its not a program to be used or not. Affirmative action was a ruling that gave people who weren't straight white men a chance at a job/school position. People were refusing to hire anyone other than mostly white men. An example of affirmative action would be out of 100 slots for a job or college admission 50 would be reserved for white men and the other 50 would be for white women, people of color, and LGBTQ community. They STILL have to be EQUALLY qualified. They do not lower standards for anyone.

[@ivybee347]

Affirmative action only ensured that people other than straight white men who were equally qualified would also be accepted for a position.

[@whenniceguysretaliate5619]

@@ivybee347 That's interesting. So, why was Affirmative action able to be struck down so easily? And by a Group that was supposed to benefit from it as well?

[@mangosandpineapples4301]

AFFIRMATIVE ACTION came about because QUALIFIED Black students were NOT allowed at Havard and other prestigious universities. They were all basically WHITES only institutions. NBA (basketball) in ameriKKKa was for whites only, Blacks were NOT allowed in the NBA, NFL, BASEBALL,ATHLETICS etc; these sports were all WHITES only despite the fact that Blacks were million times better than whites in sports.Havard and other learning institutions were all WHITES only untill AFFIRMATIVE ACTION forced racist ameriKKKa to accept QUALIFIED Black students.

[@YouAREyoubeYou]

Yes but these gentlemen like their Asian counterparts refuse to seek understanding regarding the state of American affairs for the since 1776 and prior to Americas independence starting in 1619.

[@midnightbluecitrus2687]

​@@YouAREyoubeYou right especially since our protests have greatly benefited them 🫴🏾

[@marciagrant9976]

The NBA and NFL didn't allow Blacks till the 60's

[@KriticalThinker137]

50's but your point is made. Part of post-WWII Civil Rights demands. Blacks demanded the mend of lynching; mthey got access to another plantation.

[@rafiqtsm1451]

None of this mentions the radical drop in black applicants to these schools. Plenty of talented kids decided not to try at all.

[@angelcabeza6464]

Well yeah id rather work at McDonald's with no debts then going to school and getting a job at McDonald's after your can't find a job in your career

[@Candy004]

HBCU has been steadily increasing for about 10 years. Trayvon Martin had a bigger impact than Affirmative Action.

[@JadedeaJade]

Where are the stats on that?

[@cheriagata6408]

No one cares I guess. Thank goodness for HBCU

[@TimmyTOnTheFly]

@@rafiqtsm1451 who cares. Now they have to use their brains to actually get in college now🤡🤷🏽‍♂️🤣💯

[@ferre77]

My issue is the entitlement. You’re not “Owed” spots at these schools. Just because you scored high on SAT’s doesn’t mean they have to accept you. The fact that they even took it as far as the Supreme Court shows you the level of entitlement. But nobody will talk about the anti blackness that helped drive this. All they did was take away the one thing that helped minorities to be considered. If the Asian admissions don’t go up within the next 5-10 years I’m going to fall out.

[@J4-nv8du]

@@ferre77 If what you were saying is true then every black person would have celebrated the second AA was struck down. The only entitlement going on here is with black people.

[@J4-nv8du]

Always the victim. Which Asians think they're owed a spot? You're telling fake stories to suit your narrative. Anti-blackness is something you perpetuate doing things like this.

[@J4-nv8du]

Asians don't think they're "owed" anything except equal treatment like everyone else. What you're spouting is something your people made up to spread anti Asian sentiments. You want to talk about entitlement? Look how many angry people are in this comment section compelled to ridicule a supposed backfire for merit-based aspirations. That's the reality no one wants to talk about.

[@J4-nv8du]

Asians don't think they're "owed" anything except equal treatment like everyone else. What you're spouting is something people made up to spread anti Asn sentiments. You want to talk about entitlement? Look how many petty people are in this comment section compelled to ridicule a supposed backfire for merit-based aspirations. That's the reality no one wants to talk about.

[@J4-nv8du]

Asns don't think they're "owed" anything except equal treatment like everyone else. What you're spouting is something people made up to spread negative Asn sentiments. You want to talk about entitlement? Look how many petty people are in this comment section compelled to ridicule a supposed backfire for merit-based aspirations. That's the reality no one wants to talk about.

[@mariamarie862]

black people have never benefited from affirmative action. most educated black people went to hbcu's. so this dismissal of affirmative action was never gonna hurt us anyway.

[@dr.migueltorrezedd8651]

True.

[@kingkazuma2239]

Segregation created HBCU. Asians weren't really the center of Segregation so that's why

[@CrashOverride332]

That's not true. White women simply benefitted more than black Americans, but we still saw some benefit.

[@cnjt159th]

@@CrashOverride332Not really. It was more for Asians, immigrants and white women. Like most things for “minorities” the group that got blamed didn’t even benefit.

[@majorlazor5058]

Not true. There aren’t even enough HBCU’s to support this lie. 😂😂😂😂

[@imeaniguess.6963]

14:03 This is exactly how I see it. Especially since we also are the reason people were able to be successful migrants in the first place, while historically we were tied down. Anyone attempting to dismantle what we worked for clearly doesn’t have our best interest in mind and we will never mesh.

[@kellygoodman6167]

Us black folks tried to warn y’all, we knew Affirmative Action wasn’t benefiting us.

[@J4-nv8du]

Did you call someone from the case? There an article about it?

[@MAGA2024TRUMP-y8q]

​@@J4-nv8duwomp womp snowflake 😂

[@grumpent]

@@J4-nv8du dang I seen you commenting in all the other comments as well.

[@jannebrija9879]

The way I see it Asians go to those schools because of the name value of those schools but education wise have you seen how difficult it is to enter prestigious Asian Universities. Did anyone realize how cut throat the competition to get in a good university in Japan or China or South Korea.

[@Heman-u2t]

Indian who can't get it in India goes abroad for education.

[@borednow5390]

Doesn't everyone go to those schools for the name value? 😅

[@jannebrija9879]

@@borednow5390 not really. . . Example: Some students go to the Universities closest to them for convenience.

[@sweetladyfromdc]

People that have money can pay for someone to write their college essays or edit them. They can pay for SAT intensives. Money does give you an edge with college admissions. It doesn't mean you are smarter.

[@monstafloppa871]

I say keep the affirmative action piece in place, we should continue returning to HBCU's. It's time for us to take care of our own people period.

[@middleagebrotips3454]

MIT ending legacy is bold move if they dont lose donors now

[@suzygirl1843]

How can people cry about DEI and still keep doing Legacy admission - especially after the College Blues scandal?

[@sjacks3281]

@@suzygirl1843because they want legacy admissions for their kids

[@SoCal760]

But MIT will get the best candidates and their alumnus making future names for MIT will be the payoff

[@i.03983]

Legacy doesn't mean donor

[@middleagebrotips3454]

@@i.03983 from the amount of donation drive calls I get from my school yes

[@haamidsharif4974]

This out fall on getting rid of affirmative action policies is not on FBA-Afro American community. This fight is on the Asian American communities too fight against white American Legacy admissions. Please don’t call FBA-Afro American community for help, we’re busy with the problems in our own community.

[@J4-nv8du]

No one's asking your for help. As for problems in your own community, I'll believe it when I see it. Most of the time they're not even acknowledged as reality for fear of bad actors amplifying the truth. Can't solve a problem if you refuse to recognize it's there.

[@thetruthhurts8618]

FACTS!!!!✊🏿✊🏿

[@angelahampton5730]

Exactly

[@savagetwin52]

This is not a question. It is a fact that Asian students got duped by an old racist white man. This is sad.

[@J4-nv8du]

@@savagetwin52 What's sad is you needing this to be true to make yourself feel better. If this comment was made in earnest it would read far differently.

[@mangosandpineapples4301]

I agree.The white dude used the asians and played them like a fiddle to gut affirmative action. 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@J4-nv8du]

@@mangosandpineapples4301 And black ppl are SO mad about it they're telling fake stories. LOL. If you needed AA as consideration to get in you didn't deserve it to begin with. Truth hurts.

[@J4-nv8du]

@@mangosandpineapples4301 Yet only black people are mad and pretending to enjoy this. LOL.

[@J4-nv8du]

@@mangosandpineapples4301 BIG cope. If you're mad, at least own up to it. Pretending it's a joke just makes you look pathetic.

[@Venus_ismy_realname]

That chart you showed is projected out to 2028. If you look at 2024, Asian American admissions actually increased. It is projected to drop next year then increase in 2026 slightly, peak in 2027 only to drop again to 2021 levels by 2028. Ironically, even with the declines in admissions in 2025 & 2028, they still get in at a higher rate than everyone else EXCEPT yt students who are the majority in the country anyway! So, it would appear that getting rid of Affirmative Action had nothing to do with them “the blacks” keeping them from getting admitted and everything to do with removing Hispanics, African Americans, and Native American students from being accepted as if they weren’t already being accepted at a lower rate than Asian Americans to begin with! 😂

[@jmarshel]

Facts

[@PhilCherry3]

There are too many…let me repeat… TOO MANY…people pursuing elitism in all phase of life. Too many people want to drive a Mercedes Benz, not because it’s better than alternative vehicles, but because of the implied exclusivity of the brand. The same thing is happening with these so-called “elite” universities. Too many Asian families are doing the same thing here in the U.S. they did in their home countries with this hyper competitive mindset. Take South Korea for example, where many families act as is failure to gain acceptance to a SKY institution is an automatic death sentence. Here in the U.S. there are many pathways to success and the majority of those pathways have NOTHING TO DO WITH graduation from an Ivy League institution. Sane people of all ethnicities realize this and simply move forward in life, using whatever “regular person” degrees & accreditations they can capture. It’s a waste of time bitching about whatever club refused you entry. Go where you’re wanted, respected and appreciated! A degree from a prominent state school is just as good as one from an “elite” university.

[@jmarshel]

I live this

[@reneedennis2011]

Good points.

[@devon9374]

THIS 1000% This is the root of the whole issue. Personalized AI education will democratize education and erase elitism

[@gnuwaves743]

I don’t understand why people won’t leave the ivys alone. If you’re an amazing student and/or thinker, you’ll do fine at any college. The prestige associated with the schools is from the legacy families who only donate for their kids sake. The rich kids are the reason the colleges have so many amenities and world class professors, for better or worse. If these elite schools really wanted to be more accessible, they’d increase enrollment and open more campuses. Lord knows they have the capital to do so. But that would bring down the prestige from exclusivity.

[@saratemp790]

Exactly it's the access to money that makes these schools so successful, because that's how they do the startups. I say let the rich kids in, because you always need a bottom half of the class.

[@mr_knowitall]

Their elite statuses are largely just branding. Yes, their bon-legacy kids are brilliant, but they're not the ones who make the school elite, with top of the line laboratories and well compensated/elite faculty. Perhaps this is why elite universities wanted Affirmative action left alone: they didn't want to expose how little of a meritocratic process they really employed.

[@rsuriyop]

There is reason why MIT has been known as “Made in Taiwan.”

[@jaein7779]

The IVY League may be private universities, but they accept student loans, which are backstopped by the US Government. They are also tax exempt due to being a university. Since they are private, end that link as well. These institutions can afford to pay the tax, since they are "private".

[@lolafemmefatale1852]

What hurts me so much? Is that I truly do love? Asian Americans, black people and Asian people have been fighting for liberation since the 60s. In this country and just how they turned against us to an affirmative action, really hurt me a lot 💔😭

[@midnightbluecitrus2687]

Yep bts army n kdrama lover 💕 hear. Tots feeling down cuz we fought for their rights. And we patronize their businesses. 🥺

[@sea_yung]

asians when they find out it's not affirmative action preventing them from enrolling in universities but legacy students

[@borednow5390]

It was both before..😅

[@agamerjourney9146]

@@borednow5390it was never affirmative action as that actually helped them.

[@suzettewilliams1758]

They knew that they just didn't want to give up that model minority position and tackle white legacy head on.

[@sea_yung]

@@borednow5390 that was a myth, a lot of people fall for it which unfortunately results in anti-affirmative action legislation being passed.

[@jmarshel]

​@@agamerjourney9146so true. They forgot that they first got into those schools because of Affirmative Action as well.

[@mizzobjectiveone3819]

When the focus became "African Americans and Affirmative Action," they failed to delineate the people they saw. The majority of Ivy League "black" students are usually Elite Continental Africans whose parents may also be legacy students, especially Nigerians. So although the "Black Population" didn't decline in some cases, they need to consider their competition, which is not a bunch of low-achieving students who are historically rooted in America. Instead, they need to look at the high-achieving Nigerians. The only thing that court case did was fuel the Nigerians to say, "Ok, you're assuming we're affirmative action? Watch this!"

[@edwardspriggs5076]

As a black American let's uncover another grossly skipped over fact, that many of our fellow Asian students, are not all U.S citizens but will certainly reap the benefits anyway (student visa program). Let me also say that in science, intelligence has nothing to do with race, its mostly based on social-culture, diet and economic opportunities. Affirmative Actions was also not created for black Americans (13.5% of U.S population) yet the black/brown group was still targeted (at Harvard). The protection was for white women (37% of U.S population) as the largest group to benefit from it but that's hardly ever mentioned. at all I believe it would have been best to start this discussion with the fact that racial identities are social constructs because modern humans (us) have 99.9% of the same DNA. We also need to clearly state that homo-sapiens-sapiens (modern humans)originated from the African continent, we are all cousins so welcome baby and chill out.

[@midnightbluecitrus2687]

Love this response 💕

[@Rainbowsun1]

BLACK PEOPLE TOLD YOU, BUT THESE ASIANS REALLY FELT THAT THEY WERE BETTER THANN US. WE HAVE TO WORK 10 TIMES HARDER FOR WHAT WE HAVE AND WHERE WE ARE, NOTHING IS GIVEN TO US.

[@crenshawgrinder4725]

These students are not good candidates. You cannot have a student body of robots and no flavor.

[@reneedennis2011]

That's true.

[@coppercoloredlibra]

It’s no way they will allow any group take over there schools that was made for them.

[@user-fb6hy2eh5y]

Discrimination in universities is nothing compared to the workplace. Ask Asians over 40

[@DocPetron]

Totally agree. I work as a physician in Los Angeles and you would think that Asians would just dominate in the medical field. The top researchers and faculty who win teaching awards are disproportionately Asian. Further, the "go to docs" (doctors who other doctors often seek advice from) are disproportionately Asian. However, Chairs of departments of university hospitals are primarily non-Asians. I've noticed it since I was a resident and has just been confirmed over the years.

[@MajanDyabe]

​@@DocPetron I hope no one in the global majority thought that they had a seat at the table. "They" will always remind you that you are not them.

[@Aj-qb3pr]

Not only in America, in Asia also.

[@majorlazor5058]

Ask anyone over 40. 😂😂😂

[@MrDiplomatSwag]

The asian community is so comfortable under yt supremacy they haven't seen that their communities are capped. With all their education why aren't there more of them in CEO positions? It's because everyone has a place and Asians are used as the upper management class.

[@nefbee1743]

So why is the same group now talking about suing Princeton, Duke and Yale about it now ?

[@KendraLaSalleTV]

I actually don't think the data is inclusive. We do need to wait for at least five years to get deeper insight into what the trend will be, for sure. But I absolutely think the data shows that there really has been no change since the bill passed that eliminated affirmative action. When you look at the average, the rates have not changed much at all. If you look at it across the board rather than individual schools, you will see that it really had little effect. I think that is very important to note because the crux of the argument was that black people are claiming asian spots. It implied that we are smarter (as Asians), and we know those spots belong to us - they (black people)shouldn't be there and the ONLY reason they are is because of affirmative action. I'm sorry, but I understand being pro whatever your group is, but that stance was indeed racist and not factual. As a black kid growing up in a racist area, I scored perfect scores on standarized testing and school administration put me in gifted classes. Racist people, who didn't want diversity in gifted classes. White racist staff and parents made the same statements about why I shouldn't be let into those classes, as the people wanting to remove affirmative action. Think about that... they made the SAME argument. However, this was an amazing balanced video. I just wanted to share that observation.

[@J4-nv8du]

@@KendraLaSalleTV AA was a well-meaning tool that was poorly implemented. I agree that the idea some kids didn't deserve admission due to some sort of skin advantage is hateful, but when skin color becomes a factor in any sort of contest that's literal racism. We're all better off this sort of nonsense is off the books. At least officially. Fact is universities can do whatever they want even with this change. It likely had little to no effect.

[@sdot7117]

Technically it’s not inconclusive. •2 Schools Down •2 Schools Flat (should have gone up per lawsuit) •1 School Up Conclusion is that the law change is negatively impacting Asians.

[@leslieloudermilk3876]

Facts and I love it because according to everyone. They're supposed to be the smart ones. Why didn't they understand they were being used?

[@sdot7117]

@@leslieloudermilk3876 valid question. The bigger threat to equity in admissions has always been “Legacy” enrollments. That should have been the priority for repealing.

[@J4-nv8du]

@@sdot7117 It's absolutely inconclusive. There could be a myriad of other factors if you're looking at short-term results. This is just common sense. What IS conclusive is black people wanting Asians to be negatively impacted to justify a narrative in their mind.

[@J4-nv8du]

Except that it IS inconclusive. This is short-term statistics that have a wide range of variables. More time is needed for real results. Common sense. What's factual and actually conclusive is all the black people wanting Asians to be negatively impacted to support their own biases and insecurities.

[@J4-nv8du]

@@leslieloudermilk3876 The average Asian is smart enough to understand one court case doesn't represent EVERY Asian sentiment in the country regarding AA, unlike what you're doing here. Also, pretending they were "used" makes you feel better. This is just telling on yourself and you can't see that at all.

[@Payitforward-nw4hj]

I'm sorry, as an Asian person who is NOT racist, it matters more to me that we have a harmonious culture where all humans feel they have a stake in the country and competition isn't the goal of education and life. I can be proud of our Asian fam, but I also want to know that our success isn't built on someone else's misery. This is not how my Chinese culture taught me - I'm worried for those who never had the chance to self actualize. Looking out for only one's own needs is how we can ultimately fail.

[@OhGeeGanksta]

So your harmonious culture would rather punish those who deservedly get into top schools because of all of the hard work and sacrifices they made along the way? Iono, pretty sure the Chinese culture talks about working hard. 🤣

[@Payitforward-nw4hj]

@@OhGeeGanksta Are you Chinese from Taiwan like me? Do you speak Mandarin like me? Did you attend UC Berkeley like me?

[@OhGeeGanksta]

@@Payitforward-nw4hj Mainland actually. Also, a bit of Mandarin, but mostly Canto. Furthermore, you got into UC Berkley, a school that is heavily populated by Asians and require high test scores to get into. If you feel the way that you stated, being okay with mediocrity, why didn't you settle for some other more... we'll say--diverse university then?

[@rafiqtsm1451]

@@OhGeeGankstaI want a society we’re folks to don’t come here and completely ignore the historical implications of why they got to be here in the first place. It’s disrespectful.

[@Payitforward-nw4hj]

@OhGeeGanksta Good question. Did you know that despite my degree in Integrative Biology at UC Berkeley, I'm not able to work full time and I live in extreme poverty? Grades were always a lie, and so are degrees. The competition is a lie because the real question we need to answer now is "If you teach a robot to fish, do all men eat or do all men starve?" -- Scott Santens. The most important lesson of China is that all ants are important to the colony, but the colony is more important than any one ant. I appreciate this even more because I've lived through colonization and immigration. The people who make the rules may win for a time, but if there is no justice, we will have no peace.

[@threedplayer]

Looks, let's just be honest and straightforward. This does and will affect Asian enrollment. The main reason is 'Legacy-Admissions'. This only straightens caucasians' position and enrollment. They can also get in under Legacy with sub-par grades. With Affirmative-Action gone, which some in the Asian community didn't realize also benefited them as well. This is lost. At least black folks have HBCU'S. Across the board, AA enrollment didn't drop, but Asian enrollment did. Should've headed the warning ⚠️. Never tether yourself to white supremacists! If you do, you will always eventually lose.

[@nightryder21]

Asian Americans were at the center of the Supreme Court decision against Harvard and the University of North Carolina. In both cases, the plaintiffs said that high-achieving Asian American applicants lost out to less academically qualified students.

[@abandonedfragmentofhope5415]

Now legacy Rich White people ended up taking Asian kids spots at universities! 😂 Who would’ve thought?! It’s not like everyone didn’t say that!!!

[@majorlazor5058]

But none of those Asian student applicants were top acheiving applicants. Schools generally don’t want to admit purely on academic achievement.. especially if you aren’t even a top applicant. Also, at least one of the Asian students sued California schools that don’t even have Affirmative Action. Which shows he may be book smart but not very intelligent.

[@kole3737]

And come to find out it was all a lie. They was just jealous against black people call it like it is. Our ancestors and mothers and grandparents sacrificed so all minority people had a chance just for them to say your blood spilled don't matter.

[@Frharlee]

They should have went after the legacy students who are usually academically challenged.

[@garyp2053]

they really need to stop counting Hispanic, because that's just another word for white in a lot of cases. They need to use South American, or of Latin or Native descent. I don't know why they would list an ethnicity as a race anyway.

[@jman1562001]

They use race on the Census, it's used by special interests and business to gain federal and state 💰, etc. College admission is no different. Equal outcomes do not exist in America and social mobility is restricted by your position socioeconomically.

[@Al-Rudigor]

WS uses it to separate out negative numbers for their group. They claim them when there is a positive.

[@kingkazuma2239]

Stop going to college. Get into trades or start your own businesses. Create your own educational institutions

[@davinxi5926]

Yale has lots of racist roots

[@blazer9547]

​@@davinxi5926 so does chinese universities

[@monicaking7793]

We did...HBCU. but now the white folks want to come to them. Go to what y'all created and leave ours alone. Y'all didn't want us so keep the same energy.

[@phengov943]

my American cousin went to MIT, that school seems popular with high achieving Asian american students. Interesting topic.

[@MILFHunter123]

It's because white people don't do STEM.

[@jack.b1747]

Well that going drop soon because a lot of people need help get in those schools. So more white kids will getting in because of they parents went there before. and also black people are starting to go back hbcus.. so I don't know what the Asian students going to do if they don't get accepted in those schools.

[@kyngo550]

@@jack.b1747 Go to regular state universities or smaller, less well-known universities. I got my Bachelor’s at San Jose State University and my Master’s (online though) from Arizona State University and I am still having a great career (currently working a county job in Northern California and am also an EDM online news writer on the side). I told my little cousins that the university they or anyone else went to does not make a difference when they enter a new professional setting. It’s how you implement the skills you learnt in school (and also in past internships and workplaces) and the successful implementation of those skills become very crucial to the future successes of their careers and personal lives.

[@Yonnie2436]

The Black Americans went back to HBCUs.. We are tired of being sick and tired of people comparing us to everything. LUTFA

[@J4-nv8du]

While I agree with you, there's a lot of black people in recent years that make everything a racial issue when there's none to be had. Many of them are also openly racist to others. Just look at this comment section.

[@privateprivate5302]

Lets just all agree that the goal was to decrease black enrollment and applications to these schools. And the way it was achieved was to stoke a bottom feeder mentality

[@mikekimveteran]

You dudes miss that this issue goes back to civil rights protections that go back to the 14th Amendment and Civil Rights Act of 1964. The private universities receive public funding. This is tge legal issue at hand.

[@kparkermillennium]

Can we discuss the fact that black enrollment did not hurt Asian enrollment in the first place?

[@J4-nv8du]

I think a far better topic is why black people in this comment section post blatantly racist fiction and everyone seems to be fine with it.

[@kparkermillennium]

@@J4-nv8du the most racist people are any one except black people. Stop your lies.

[@kparkermillennium]

@@J4-nv8du bye MAGA

[@J4-nv8du]

@@kparkermillennium You would love that to be true. Anything but self-reflection. Completely unsurprising.

[@kparkermillennium]

@@J4-nv8du "self" reflection? number one the only comments I read or am reading is my own. If you read racist comments then you "self" reflect and comment. You're weird.

[@horridohobbies]

Given all the anti-China rhetoric in the US (Chinese spies, IP theft, etc.), shouldn't Asian students be concerned with the possibility of discrimination or persecution?

[@angelcabeza6464]

The US has the lowest violence rate between neighbors then any country in the world no why would they fear us

[@JadedeaJade]

Homie, when did you stop? You should have never. If you're not White you should always be concerned about discrimination and persecution fam.

[@TeeSpells]

Exactly 💯 correct, they passed laws against Chinese students. It's best to listen to the actual people that was here from the very beginnings before the US was formed. They use Asians in a caste system. America is nothing without African Americans more than half of Americas inventions and innovations came from African Americans. African Americans is the only group of people that fought in every single American war and the only group to never receive reparations after the fact that our communities was destroyed. Many black Wallstreets all across the countrydue to white jealousy all burned down to the ground. Our ancestors fought for all races to come to this come freely. This is why immigrants need to learn true American history concerning black people.

[@TheDrizzCAKEN]

Let's not conflate ASIANS with just Chinese. Indians, Filipinos, Japanese, Uzbekistanis are Asians too. Chinese are over represented in America & American education.

[@shellih8302]

We tried to warn y'all. You chose the wrong one as an ally.

[@reneedennis2011]

Yup.

[@J4-nv8du]

@@shellih8302 Did you know the people in the case personally? Cuz otherwise this sounds like a blanket statement about all Asian people.

[@mangosandpineapples4301]

​@JC-nv8du I blame asians..they created their own bed of nails and now let them sleep on it🤣🤣🤣

[@J4-nv8du]

@@mangosandpineapples4301 Ah, ASIANS. Apparently all Asians everywhere in the country were responsible for this. How sad for you. Spouting nonsense while believing it in your mind to justify prejudice. You may as well be a cartoon. Keep using the laughing emojis, though. I'm sure someone is convinced you're actually having a good time.

[@J4-nv8du]

​@@mangosandpineapples4301 When black people need to pretend they're enjoying whatever fiction they're spouting. ^^^

[@MsNealM]

Regardless of the speculation, the facts are that Asian enrollment decreased, and now they want to sue again because they are still not "entitled" to getting into these universities without the grades.

[@J4-nv8du]

Source?

[@MsNealM]

@@J4-nv8du Supreme Court of the United States (.gov) www.supremecourt.gov 20-1199 Students for Fair Admissions, Inc. v. President and Fellows of Harvard

[@TheBleachj16]

MIT doesnt support the right wing argument because its an example of what the left was arguing against, which was legacy admissions. The argument was affirmative action wasnt the correct target for anger among Asians students because the real issue was always legacy admissions.

[@azraelfirstofhisname8695]

Bingo

[@Xyz99899]

Wrong because asian admin went up at MIT. Both AA and legacy admissions are factors it’s not one or the other. If you want to be racist just say it.

[@henrytep8884]

@@Xyz99899which factor is a larger contributor though?? Just because they are both factors doesn’t make them the same size as a factor. Just say you don’t know anything about the argument being made because you can’t read.

[@Xyz99899]

@@henrytep8884 Where is your proof legacy admin is larger contributor? state your sources.

[@JpWhereIsMyShoe]

​@@henrytep8884he brought up the 1 school where it went up. He just wants to yell and shake his fist at brown people

[@The201Ray]

This man said “you might as well serve dumplings”☠️😂

[@JadedeaJade]

I mean, a 24\7 dumpling shop would cool right?

[@JasonK.-cy2tl]

Why do people even bother with Ivy Leagues? They are a joke now.

[@olzt100]

A joke? They still have major connections in the corporate world and it never was what you know but who you know. How many valedictorians are CEO's of Fortune five hundred companies? The B- and B+ always get to and near the top due to connections.

[@Ravenelvenlady]

I graduated from one. They're overrated.

[@GoodLife-p5p]

California just became the 5th state to ban legacy in admissions! May the real cream rise to the top

[@mangosandpineapples4301]

Legacy students donate MONEY to these universities..Banning legacy admission will backfire for these schools who rely partly on legacy donors.

[@GoodLife-p5p]

@@mangosandpineapples4301 As someone who donated money to my university and childfree, I can say that donating is not child admission contingent. The same with my friend who endowed a scholarship- no kids. You don't think the cream of the crop students admitted without legacy are going to donate to their university? They are the cream of the crop, they are likely to be successful too and have the means to donate.

[@GoodLife-p5p]

@@mangosandpineapples4301 as someone who also donated to her school, I did so even though I don't have children. Heck my friend endowed a scholarship to her university without any children for legacy admissions. I worked at my university's development office and the number of people who donate contingent on legacy admissions is tiny compared to the overall number of donors. Moreover, the cream of the crop who are admitted instead of legacies can also become wealthy and donate too

[@GoodLife-p5p]

@@mangosandpineapples4301 you think only legacy families have the capability to get wealthy and donate or that they only donate so their child can get in? Plenty of alumni donate even without children entering their university and the real cream of the crop are likely to succeed and donate too. 80 percent of US millionaires are self made.

[@forevermore6558]

​@mangosandpineapples4301, so you're saying the school will fail if people aren't allowed to buy their way in?

[@sophmore90]

There isn't enough data yet but I believe that eventually, the dissolution of affirmative action will have a negative effect on Asian, as well as other marginalized groups, admissions to top universities. I really do hope that I am proven wrong.

[@Wegivesp]

It is the eventual goal.

[@SmallTownResident]

MIT has neither Legacy Admission and just got rid of AA; their Asian demographic increased! It's very possible to oppose and abolish both and make it successful.

[@JoeJoe-cq1oo]

Ok, so we measure success only if the schools are predominantly Asian? Hmmm, isn't that Affirmative Action?

[@chang958]

MIT is highly stem not other university have many non stem majors

[@forevermore6558]

Asians on a whole, are the best at STEM. Why is this so?

[@olee8431]

Okay yall can stop blaming black people..😅

[@J4-nv8du]

You did that yourselves.

[@chgosatrap]

Now, it is merit-based. Do better.

[@J4-nv8du]

This should be the only response outside of legacy admissions.

[@chgosatrap]

@@J4-nv8du And now that is merit-based, Black enrollment is the same as it always was. They played themselves, coming after us. No tears shed.

[@J4-nv8du]

@@chgosatrap You guys keep repeating this lie. Black enrollment is down. You can easily find this at Students for Fair Admissions v. Harvard on Wikipedia. Except unlike your group so quick to declare some kind of victory, I don't see this as indicative of anything because not enough time has passed to say for sure. As for "coming after us", you do that on your own. Just constantly held down by everyone else, aren't you? So oppressed in 2024. And "no tears shed"? What do you call this entire comment section. It's nothing but crying. Just be honest, you want special treatment.

[@J4-nv8du]

@@chgosatrap Except this isn't true. Blk enrollment IS down. You can easily find this on Wikipedia. People really just tell themselves stories, apparently. As for, "coming after us." This is self-perpetuated nonsense. Nobody is coming after you. Do better.

[@J4-nv8du]

@@chgosatrap Except this isn't true. Blk enrollment IS down. You can easily find this on Wikipedia. People really just tell themselves stories, apparently.

[@oldmancali]

Man, to me black people wanted to get along with Asians and all the other groups. To hear the immigrants talk about black people this way is sad. It would be one question for me. As black people were paying full rent, utilities and food. Did the Asians and other immigrants get government assistance that helped pay rent and other expenses. It was like immigration welfare that the father didn't have to leave the home. The nerve to act like your superior.

[@ctbt1832]

A lot of Asians was upset because Black people were entering into the schools and they felt like they were entering into the schools while they did not have the grades. That shows the ignorance that people have towards Black people. Grade is not the only thing that get you into the schools. So I question the guy that say MIT it went up 7%. I wonder did those Asians finally look at what it takes to get into the school because we all know that it’s not just grades alone. They’ve been telling you this for years.

[@quatanahg2312]

The facts are that Black applicants had to have exceptional grades and other factors to even get a glance.

[@J4-nv8du]

@@quatanahg2312 Do you have studies to back this up? Sounds like a wishful narrative. The only thing that should have any consideration when it comes to AA is that race was a factor in admissions. This should never have been a thing. If the motivation was diversity and equal opportunity, then finances and income should have been the primary focus. Pretty simple. Edit: Anyone about to read this comment chain should know quatanahg2312 edited several of her posts after being called out for inaccuracies and false claims as if they were there the entire time.

[@J4-nv8du]

Asians were upset that race was a variable in admissions. Everything else about black people is stuff black people talk about.

[@quatanahg2312]

@@J4-nv8du It is not wishful thinking, but survival. Over many decades, even centuries, Black Americans are taught from a young age that in order to get a specific job, profession, college admission, position, business, etc. we have to be better than the best to even be glanced at. We are also taught we must be the best dressed and carry ourselves with a certain dignity in professional settings, not like what others can get away with, lest we get stereotyped and overlooked. That doesn't mean we don't have troubled, corrupted groups of young people in our communities that have made doing well in school almost out to be an offence. However, we don't have even half of our academic or scientific achievements in the mainstream news. There are and have been so many exceptional Black children and students all across the nation. Here is a small snapshot of my family and community. My cousin went to college at the age of 9. My sister was able to skip her Freshman year at one of the top high schools in the country and started as a Sophomore. When she took the admissions test she had already aced the 1st year academics. When she got her Master's degree, she was younger than her graduating class. I went to a great high school at the age of 12. So did most of my fellow middle school classmates. I attended university at the age of 15 going on 16 two years younger than my graduating class. This is just facts. The university application process is very detailed, and has the applicants grades from almost their entire academic career, and details any extra curricular activities, skills, standardized test scores, awards, and community service. The admission stats especially for schools using AA can be traced. With some exceptions for merit or circumstances, why wouldn't those schools choose the best or most promising applicants from the 4% of Black AA beneficiaries. The majority of Black applicants accepted to an Ivy League university I have ever seen, known, heard of or read about, were exceptional in their academics or in many other ways that made them stand out.

[@J4-nv8du]

​@@quatanahg2312 You've also just described a lot of Asians applicants. In fact, Asians have been repeatedly advised to avoid discussing ethnicity in their entry statement due to bias or discrimination. These are people with top marks and extracurriculars. Volunteering, the works. Using historical discrimination from way on back is a tired argument. Ppl have been bending over backward to accommodate for those awful attitudes for decades and still it's seemingly never good enough. I had someone equate violence against Azns in recent years to the LA riots as if they were the same. That was back in 1991 for ONE person compared to the countless incidents against the elderly now. The reality is, in 2024 your group has all the advantage, and yet you still complain about things from years past. As for the person you're replying to, he's wrong. Azns never blamed blk ppl, you did that all on your own. Every Azn person I know had issue with the fact ethnicity was a variable in admissions. That's all. If you can't see how that's a problem, there's nothing else to talk about.

[@senorc4416]

I was raised in Flushing so it’s needless to say I got nothing but love for my Asian people…..but the hate behind said protests was real. You can’t pick and choose when you want to be considered a minority. You’re in or you’re out….

[@Phantom-z8d]

If the US really wanted to balance the scales it would spend more to subsidize underperforming schools. But it spends money elsewhere and wants a cheap quick-fix like affirmative action.

[@charlee_hotel]

Believe it or not, Texas had been the best example of _balancing the ethnic diversity_ in college incoming freshmen classes. Texas has a 7-10% top percent of automatic admission for *in-state* high schoolers. But is across individual schools, not across Texas at large. I truly believe this law is how all the largest public colleges in Texas (some of which are very selective, elite R1 institutions) have all classified as HSI recently.

[@chengliu872]

Money has little to do with it.

[@Drownedinblood]

We give up on those schools because the funding doesn't really improve the education. Why? Because there is a culture of anti academia and intellectualism in the us that is most pronounced in a lot of these neighborhoods these schools are in.

[@jonathanallen7595]

Why didn't ANY of these people even think to start their own Historically Asian American Colleges and Universities like we all once had to do with HBCU's?

[@PHlophe]

Jon, HBC were created well before brown vs board . an asian HAM can't exist in a place where they were not the target od jim crow laws and HBCU aren't barring anyone from applying

[@jreid2171]

Stop trying to be white and love and accept yourself as who you are

[@vickbond008]

One of the purposes of taking in race as a factor was to make the campuses more diverse. People only clumping together with those who look like them is a problem. America is not a mono racial country, anyone moving here needs to realize this.

[@nicolesmith4220]

The Asia's should have sued over legacy admission and not affirmative action.

[@PHlophe]

Nicole, they operate within the crab in a barrel framework . if they defy legacy and name them they know good and well there would be backlash and they don't want that smoke . now watch caucasian women complain when they realize their own prospects have decreased.

[@kevinmarshburn3654]

buffer class

[@Flowers4YourMind]

LOVE to see it!! On today's episode of "When the Hell You Plan for Others Becomes the Very Same Hell You ROT in Yourself!!!" They fuked around and found out!

[@J4-nv8du]

Wanting merit-based admissions is wrong. -@Flowers4YourMind Do you even hear yourself? Just say you hate Asians. It'll save everyone some time.

[@J4-nv8du]

Wanting merit-based admissions are wrong. - @Flowers4YourMind

[@bobbyschannel349]

Black American.. not African American.

[@thetruthhurts8618]

FACTS!!!✊🏿✊🏿

[@factsoverfear9771]

Every race takes pride in knowing where they are from . Most black ppl are from Africa and should be a proud thing because it’s true 👍🏽🗯

[@bobbyschannel349]

@@factsoverfear9771 we are hundreds of years removed from Africa

[@factsoverfear9771]

@@bobbyschannel349 So you because of white ppl you ignore your great heritage 💡

[@factsoverfear9771]

@@bobbyschannel349 So you because of white ppl yo completely ignore your great heritage 💡

[@aldenerowe5334]

Wow...I actually thought the Asians would have fought against the legacy entrants...but they aren't black so not ideal targets.

[@wocathoden]

That's wtf yall get! Mad at us over nothing! Smh!

[@FortheLoveofMonsters]

Black people tried to warn y’all 🤷🏽‍♀️

[@Xyz99899]

Warn what? The data is not conclusive is MIT is showing asian trend up.

[@janepaige928]

People don't listen till it affects them. Smh

[@brandonnguyen9680]

But black also say they not poc

[@dr.migueltorrezedd8651]

@@brandonnguyen9680 depends on the black person you ask. I don't believe a handful of blacks speaks for every black person in the world since blacks come in different ethnicities, nationalities and cultures. Some people are not educated on the topic and white people love to use divide and conquer among groups (but it's not always whites either because as minorities we don't really stand up for one another due to some being more tribal than other groups). Some Chinese might be more tribal than some Vietnamese as an example and since I see your surname (I know they do have Chinese Vietnamese).

[@janepaige928]

@@brandonnguyen9680 because far too many 'poc' don't show allyship with black people until it's beneficial for them. 🤷‍♀️

[@randomstuff063]

There’s a big thing y’all ain’t really paying attention to is the fact that a lot of wasian in the past, we just put down there Asian identity when applying.

[@theobserver7826]

As someone who worked admissions years ago at an elite college, we were trying to get our student body to reflect the nation and have students that would graduate. We could NEVER get to 12% African American (there are less and less American enslaved descendants every year, they are truly dying off) and were always over prescribed with Asians who are at 5%, technically we should have had a third of the incoming class should have been Hispanic, we could never get there either. We started doing affirmative action for males, taking lower SAT scores, so that our incoming class could be 50/50...plus we wanted to have every state represented so we took lower SATs from North Dakota than Florida...

[@RoseNZieg]

that last requirement was hilarious.

[@Rednickincell]

Most Asians I know knew they were not going to change a thing because it wasn’t really about affirmative action and Those students who brought the lawsuit actually went after Legacy Admissions The Supreme Court just ruled against the Legacy Admissions lawsuit part of it That’s because it’s America where it’s okay for even the bleeding heart far left progressive snow fl aches to be raycyst against Asians In Hollywood and Higher Education You should type into You Tube search and listen to the audio of these lawyers for Harvard arguing in front of the US Supreme Court… It was actually painful to hear the lawyer speak (“Why Do You Do It?’: Samuel Alito Grills Harvard Lawyer On Alleged Asian American Discrimination”) 👆 He did argue that there was no way they could model that discrimination But the Harvard lawyer did state Paraphrasing…. Yes we racially profile we immediately triage and put an Asian American application into a pile based on their ethnicity…. of people lacking, integrity , courage, kindness, empathy etc for a personality But it’s not discrimination/racism because the Asian Americans who finally did make all the way to the 👉Alumni Interview Process???? Well these Asian American students …. scored just as well as any other race of students when rated on personality, so no discrimination/racism by Harvard

[@annmariebusu9924]

AA are not dying off. They are at HBUs.

[@Rednickincell]

@@annmariebusu9924 Asian American’s could start their own … Historically Asian Schools That’s if there is no backlash But if Asian Americans are not recognized in the workplace. With their Ivy League school education why would America recognize these Asian universities? The smart thing to do for Asian Americans, is to start looking to Asia for an education as Asia is the future these days China leads the world in 37 of 44 critical technologies of the future 6 of the top 10 research institutions are located in that Country alone Even where China does not have a clear lead over the other country (usually it being the USA) in something like Open AI You have this: “Researchers originally from China now make up 38 percent of the top A.I. researchers working in the United States, with Americans making up 37 percent, according to the research. NYT” 👆 how many of those 37% American AI scientists are Asian American?? I’m thinking a whole lot you got Countries India with its large population it’s economy will grow regardless Plus SE Asia is the fastest growing economic block in terms of consumption So like I said it’s probably in the best interest for Asian Americans to look to Asia But that for sure is not in the best interest for America’s future

[@deamorebeaute2412]

The African-American population has increased. In fact, Sub-Saharan Africans have the highest global fertility rates. The two race groups whose birthrates are plummeting are Caucasians and Asians.

[@TaKysha26]

Maybe they should have pulled themselves up by their bootstraps or "work harder and smarter"

[@r01dtox15]

I'm very sure that many of our folks are unaware that the Asian Americans have taken over all of California's elite universities since after California voted to ban Affirmative Action in 1996. They also took over the High--Tech industries and medical fields. Now, the Latinos are #2, the Whites have dropped to #3 _(around 20%),_ and Blacks dropped to #4 _(around 3% to 4%)_ at UC Campuses _(From UC Davis all the way down to UC San Diego)._ Even in Black Mecca _(Atlanta),_ they are taking over or have taken over Georgia Tech and Emory. The video clips are only about Yale, Princeton, and Duke. _(The recent info that came out from Princeton and Duke show that their numbers may have gone up. They just chose not to indicate their race.)_ Their numbers have gone up significantly at every University that eliminated the Diversity (DEI). Remember, they are only around 7% of the US population. The enrollment numbers for Asian American students decreased at *Yale (24%) and Princeton (24%),* saw a slight increase at *Stanford (27%), Brown (33%) and Harvard (37%),* but rose significantly at *MIT (47%), Johns Hopkins (46%), Columbia (39%), UPenn (34%), CalTech (41%), UNC (26% from 13% in 2022),* and across all *University of California campuses.* Those numbers are *ONLY* for "Asian American". Asian International Students are *NOT* Included in the "Asian American" percentage. Asian International Students usually comprise 70% to 90% of the "International Students"..

[@sap19ele]

MIT never had legacy admissions, so it could not have dropped it.

[@StillJustD]

MIT has ALWAYS had a "Legacy" admissions lean. You don't find it strange how people who weren't at the top of their HS in stem got admitted and just happened to have parents who went there? Plenty of schools do that. Just like with the celebrity admissions scandal. People who paid off Admissions to let their underperforming kids get in. in the end its up to the admissions staff to decide to get in or not.. It doesn't have to be an "open" school policy. to STILL be the schools policy.

[@sap19ele]

@@StillJustD Not true. Legacy admissions benefits mostly whites, but white admissions remained fixed at 37%. You are speculating that the admission of those you believe are not quite up to snuff is due to legacy admissions.

[@StillJustD]

@@sap19ele reading isn't your strong suit. this not what I said at all. I said there are PLENTY of people who are Legacy's at MIT. I never once said ALL under-performing people. I said Under-Performing people whose parents just "happen" to also be alums are the equivalent of an "unspoken" legacy admission.

[@sap19ele]

Insulting people is not a good way to have a productive conversation. Please be civil. If there was a “shadow legacy” or any other type, it should have been visible in the results. We don’t see it in the results. Legacy admissions benefits mostly whites and the percentage of white students admitted did not change.

[@BD091959]

Did Asians find out theyre not whyte?