The AI Behind Kidnapper Fox

[@alteregosocial]

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[@randomperson-qj1oq]

"off script", huh? nice lie.

[@agent7176]

I already play, I can't get these bonuses >:((((( Very sad :(

[@TheMakerFC]

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[@BallsBlaster69]

war thunder giving money to ytber

[@patrickstening]

i clicked the link and it sent me to a website where you buy lawnmowers

[@leonardodavinchi7693]

"Mom, can we have Bracken?" "We have Bracken outside" Bracken outside:

[@luanthomewagner187]

Quite literally

[@brofelsum]

You got bracken? Nah we got cracken.

[@Xp366]

Hi sans undertale

[@gregrah_gaming]

you could still stay at home cause he is at the ship which could be called home

[@algotfbg3057]

There’s a custom moons mod that has such a massive and unoptimized map that it drops my frames from 90 to 30 because the trees were using so many textures. There were also brackens on the outside, quite a fun map actually

[@alanavalos6645]

Facinating how John is like a predator similar to the bracken, looking at him to discourage his stealth

[@samirmehmedovic6554]

I consider kidnapper foxes to basically be the outside equivolant of a bracken considering they both - Try to sneak up on you - Will drag you to their favourite location - They both attack the head region of the body

[@toastr1255]

@@samirmehmedovic6554 Additionally, they both have a max spawn of 1

[@CaramelOnFire]

@@samirmehmedovic6554 its cool how some monsters feel they act completely different to one another, yet decoding it seems john is just an extra step of a different guy named braiden with a different killing way

[@Dunky_Alpha]

Yeah and they have that same feeling of not just attacking on sight but rather hunt you. Btw the fox design is so great because when it is in dense vein shrouds you can barely see it and when on the ship it feel like being circled by a shark, just seeing some movements in the corner of your eyes and not being able to scan it because vein shrouds block the scan.

[@officialteamsombie]

Both are also plant-based, too. The bracken is made out of leaves, and will poof into dust upon being killed. Meanwhile, the kidnapper fox is based on the amount of vein shrouds which can be comparable to IRL weeds. Don't think John himself is made out of plants, though, but he is definitely linked to them.

[@ilovefentnyl]

bro: before you skip me: skips

[@RC-md2yx]

Nice sponsor by the way

[@alfonshedstrom9859]

John is an interesting idea for an outdoors enemy but I only ever see the vainshrouds spawn on the damn ship which just makes him spawncamp the entire team. He feels needlessly complex compared to the other outdoor enemies. The nest should be more clear so you know when he is dangerous

[@barackobreezy]

this is fixed in the public beta version. on version 55, the current public version, the vain shrouds spawn too often and encompass the ship most times and far too early into the run. I guess this was unintended, cuz my friends and I switched to the v56 public beta and john is waaay more manageable and an actually cool enemy

[@barackobreezy]

i haven't gotten far enough in a run with friends to see if the shrouds still end up swarming the ship later on though. as far as I remember the nests were way further away from the ship in the newer version

[@Kkbleeblob]

@@barackobreezyv56 is the current public version

[@barackobreezy]

@@Kkbleeblob since when I thought 55 was still the most recent non-beta version

[@Kkbleeblob]

@@barackobreezy nope

[@lamegamertime]

6:24 Actually, eyeless dogs can also target John. His howls can be heard by them so long as they are near enough.

[@averagejoe2301]

And i imagine the robots also target it since the robots are hostile to everything

[@lamegamertime]

@@averagejoe2301 No, John doesn't have a "IVisibleThreat" attached to him. He only gets targeted for his noise, which dogs and hawks can hear.

[@thesupertroodon14]

I feel so bullied rn

[@KikiCatMeow]

@@lamegamertimecan the old birds still kill him accidentally? Like if they aim at a dog and happen to hit him

[@ElecSpark100]

​@@KikiCatMeowyeh it's possible, one time I got drag by the fox, the old bird came by and shot it to death lmao.

[@napstamelon]

istg if i see this kidnapper fox one more time hes gonna turn into a napper fox

[@thisoneisforyoutube]

john

[@A.please_insert_witty_text.M]

You took the Kid from Kidnapper Fox!

[@serventium4049]

*john

[@greenbean882]

What is a kidnapper fox? Sounds cool, but the creature in the video is called John.

[@winterarkwright4743]

The Kidnapper Fox is genuinely infuriating to have around. Really cool enemy, but the application is horrible. The way I see it is the Kidnapper Fox should target lone players. Punishing them for not working as a team. The nest should NOT be on top of the ship but maybe somewhere close to it. I feel like the Kidnapper Fox would feel more appropriate if it caught a solo player, dragged it back to it's nest to eat and tries to stay away from groups. Would be a very nice mitigatable threat and honestly be way more scary rather than, "I'm gonna wipe your entire team and kill a run because I'm spawn camping like a loser". My friends and I removed it from the game, it's just not fun.

[@A.please_insert_witty_text.M]

It's not supposed to spawncamp, Zeekerss tried to fix the issue but it didn't work the first time.

[@catsinwonderland7473]

I think deliberately punishing solo players IF other players are still alive would be better though. Or at least having an easier way to deal with them. The fox has a pretty cool design, but other than that it's the only thing about Lethal Company that really annoyed me when I played it. Do the vain shrouds really have to be so close to the ship? John's a really fun enemy on foggy maps or when he's not close to the ship, but when he is, he makes me want to leave the moon altogether. Which is REALLY REALLY annoying on one day left.

[@winterarkwright4743]

@catsinwonderland7473 Yeah, that "If" is an important distinction, and I should have added it to my comment it I had thought of it at the time. Fair enough, honestly

[@idfk-x4f]

No. We really don’t need more difficulty put onto solo players lol, they have it hard enough already

[@Citizen_of_Kepler-417]

John*

[@jakovlozo5968]

"what the fuc-" famous last words

[@Forgotten_memory596]

Frfr

[@jhimaque5500]

*kidnapper fox*

[@1v1n_ny]

*HAZARD LEVEL: A*

[@ashgreninja220]

@@1v1n_nythey take 7 hits to kill

[@Sinkozai]

@@ashgreninja220They will Insta-kill

[@Gareenify]

I always thought the fox just had a 90-degree rotated face but now that i see it. It feels even more creepy

[@AbnusXD]

Yeah, I thought the eyes were placed where the eyes would normally go, then I saw both eyes on top. It made me do a double take.

[@Tay10rd]

You mean John?

[@RealKipper1324]

I feel like John would be WAY less hated by the community if Zeekers just moved its nest away from the ship. He's hard, he sucks, but so do a lot of other monsters. He's one of the only ones who are just kinda B.S.

[@allstaraussie3629]

So is the barber

[@rustle495]

Zeeks said he fixed nest spawning near ship, but it still does. And assuming Alter is correct and John just leaves the nest and finds a "secondary nest" to start roaming around, on top of roam range that scales forever and needs entire team to look at him at specific range to prevent, then nest spawn location doesnt even matter.

[@allstaraussie3629]

@@rustle495 zeek is bad at fixing bugs the game just gets more buggy with every update he needs to hire someone that can fix bugs because the game is becoming unplayable you can’t even join most public lobbies now

[@Mentallyheld]

@@allstaraussie3629 what are you on about??

[@FrostyTheCookie]

​​@@allstaraussie3629Barber is really easy to deal with. Most enemies are harder to deal with. All it takes to deal with a barber is a brain. Also I've had like no issues with bugs lol. The game is nowhere near unplayable.

[@vertsit7311]

You can also block the ship entrance with furniture to prevent him from dragging you away

[@lightinthefield]

Do the bunk beds work?

[@vertsit7311]

@@lightinthefield Yea, with any furniture that player can't pass through

[@therealpingasman]

No you can't, my team and I tried that once and it clipped right through it to kill us

[@IAteMySink]

@@therealpingasman Even with the Red Storage Closet's default position, opening the Right side door and going into that pocket of space will stop him from dragging you

[@vaelophisnyx9873]

@@therealpingasman sounds like your ship was inside his nest

[@tastycake413]

So while John is pulling me OUT OF THE SHIP I cannot close the door on him? That's unfair!

[@coomtheslayer]

How he ACTUALLY worked: sat on the ship and instantly kills you when you attempt to play the game

[@justsomefurry]

Yeeah I see why Zeekers removed him now.

[@idkwhattoputhere995]

and i DON'T. Why?

[@Nightwizard63]

Real. I'm not gonna lie, I started playing lethal company again for the first time a couple days ago since like May, before summer. And I missed the Fox and the Barber. I'm sad I missed the Barber, but I'm glad I missed the Fox. It's an awesome idea with a cool design, but the execution of it just sucks

[@awsumfaec]

@@Nightwizard63 the barber is still in the game dont worry, i saw one with my friends a few days ago, theyre just kinda rare

[@irons880]

​@@idkwhattoputhere995he's annoying enemy, which is hard to deal with alone. Take yhe mimic for example, they to camp in your ship, but one more or less proficient player can deal with them, these foxes will bother you over and over and constantly interrupt metal hunt and bringing back to the ship. Plus, it's nest constantly spawns by the ship whoch makes foxes even more annoying. Lastly, there was quite a backlash from the community about those foxes camping, killing and annoying people by the ship, so for now foxes are disabled

[@Ch1l1C0nCarnag3]

If Zeekers changes it so that his nest's center CANNOT be within X meters of the ship, he would be a lot less annoying. It's fine for Vain Shroud to still spawn near the ship so he can hide and be a threat near it, but he shouldn't be allowed to have his nest too close to the ship.

[@A.please_insert_witty_text.M]

I THINK that's how it's supposed to work, it's just broken right now.

[@grinmace4834]

i have been traumatised to never go to assurance again because of the fox just camping ship

[@meowkittymeowmeow2786]

@@grinmace4834 Sadly was not an assurance exclusive problem

[@axolotlgaming9144]

try sobership mod

[@Brambrew]

Baiting John into the ship and closing the door then wacking him with a shovel works pretty well. This usually works best in a team of 2

[@usermann_5731]

It doesnt work if John's attack zone is in the ship

[@Brambrew]

@@usermann_5731 That's why you have a second person close the door while you get snagged. (edit) unless they patched that out; it worked during the beta when I did it with my buddies

[@lil_mis_smiles]

Literally turned it into a "Am not the one trapped here, you are." type moment

[@srm4950]

Alternative title The AI Behind Satan

[@firehornetgamer2698]

The AI Behind John

[@SrakenKraken]

don't insult satan like that

[@komment1127]

That's weird, it's the second time i see an annoying enemy in a game nicknamed john.

[@desoolay9752]

the forest im guessing?

[@komment1127]

@@desoolay9752 absolutely

[@kubman4355]

If i had a nickel for every time there was an annoying enemy nicknamed John in a game, i'd have 2 nickels which isn't a lot but it's weird it happened twice!

[@Perargil]

I call the old birds Big John

[@ElPolloLoco7689]

@@Perargil Hey the old birds aren't THAT bad. If yk how to avoid them they're more positive than anything since they clear out monsters

[@hatsukineko7133]

Bro make sure he's the one that find out how it works and name it John and we can't do anything cuz technically he the first one to discover new creature.

[@chboo1897]

>:)

[@feilkate5892]

@@chboo1897 why only him tho I think other ones deserve a name too I personally call Butler Theodor

[@chboo1897]

@@feilkate5892 idk man I like John, he’s a nice guy

[@somdudewillson]

@@feilkate5892 I mean, there _is_ only ever one John.

[@feilkate5892]

@@somdudewillson not anymore 😭

[@lygames_1027]

One time, while playing in a server, a dead fox was in the entrance of the ship, and an eyeless dog, i didnt knew what happened with my crew or how the fox got killed, but when i tried to attract the dog away from the ship entrance, the dog slided into the dead fox and got stuck in the sliding animation and the fox didn't stop making pain noises, I had to wait the ship autopilot to leave the planet, it was funny

[@phoebelovesYOU]

not so funny when it ruins ur quota

[@lygames_1027]

@@phoebelovesYOU yeah, but it was fine, the only dog was stuck in the entrance of the ship, the only fox in the run was killed either by my crew or the dog, baboon hawks were beeing wiped out by the robot, the giant was dead and the robot was crying like a baby while trying to get to some baboon hawks that was bullying it... Just another day in artifice.

[@lil_mis_smiles]

The Fox makes Noises which the Eyeless dogs can hear. So Eyeless Dogs will attack The Kidnapper Fox whenever they are within range to hear it

[@Issengan]

"what does the fox say" they asked. *The fox has had enough*

[@lil_mis_smiles]

I wouldn't say that the Fox will be gone forever, I think he's just gonna be disabled for a while till his Ai gets reworked to be less of a spawn camper

[@Upstartfir]

What is this thing I have never seen it ever

[@lil_mis_smiles]

@@Upstartfir It was in one of the old updates before being disabled in the latest version as it would spawn camp at the player's ship often. Which made it hated by most players

[@Upstartfir]

@@lil_mis_smiles ok

[@Workerforthecompany]

I think for the rework they should make it so the kidnapper foxes will hold the player captive and the players body is unconscious

[@jogado2713]

kidnapper fox: 👀 players who play alone:💀

[@nosks_stopmotions]

me and my friends now scream "ITS JOHN" and we all know what we're talking about, thank you ego

[@derricka7751]

I'm extremely curious about the vain shroud AI, and I'm a bit disappointed you just brushed over it. When you fail to eliminate all the vain shrouds, do they increase linearly or exponentially? Do they increase only on days you visit that moon or every day that passes? If you remove some vain shrouds, do the ones you removed immediately respawn or is their deconstruction saved? How many new vain shrouds appear on the initial vain shroud spawn day and every growth opportunity after that? How are their spawn locations chosen (do they spread out in a circular radius around the initial location, or do they spread in a specific direction)? I feel like you could do a whole video on vain shrouds, and I would love to see it!

[@PlutoIsntReal_]

John would be less hated i feel if he had a nest like the Baboon Hawks that spawns further away from the ship

[@EpicBrony300]

This new mob feels like an afterthought tbh like "oh i gotta add a new item now i gotta give that item a reason to exist and for players to want" and then proceeded to add the most stupidest op enemy in the game if you dont have said item. Also, the fact that the weeds come back every day is bs

[@jimboroyale]

your dead wrong...

[@EpicBrony300]

@jimboroyale almost no way to kill it, it can spawn when you can't afford weed killer, stupid bs range and can get into the ship because it's made so it goes into the ship not like eyeless dogs who can maybe accidentally walk in but that's always rare, camps the ship something eyeless dogs don't do, stupid range attack good luck if you weren't bringing a shovel. Stupidest addition to the game there was a literal mode made specifically to remove it

[@jimboroyale]

@@EpicBrony300 it shows how to kill it easily in the video

[@jimboroyale]

dude most of this stuff is explained in the video and dogs dont go into the ship unless you make noise its not possible with the way their wandering works

[@EpicBrony300]

@@jimboroyale but this ain't about dogs it's about this stupid fox

[@thefrogofdeath7094]

One time on Rend my team used the jetpacks to get to main, while I walked. When I got to the cabin the Kidnapper Fox grabbed me and pulled me behind the house to kill me. lol

[@ZackagonXM]

He took you out back to put you down.

[@lemone630]

Swiper swiped you buddy

[@hotashikayaba910]

Really starting to feel like "makes the player drop all of their items" is...more than a little cheap of a tactic for these things

[@youtubeisawebsite7484]

exactly, doesnt make any sense. it's just cuz it's "supposed" to be dangerous and being able to actually handle its bullshit would be too convenient

[@amorinda979]

It is also possible to outlast John's pull if you have full stamina when he attacks and are far enough away from the shrouds. It's hard to do and obviously you don't want to rely on it but I have broken free quite a few times just by sprint-resisting his pull at a distance from the vain shrouds

[@TheWonkster]

Too many things in this game are able to insta-kill you and have way too large hitboxes to do so with. Either that or its like the butlers where taking care of it actually causes another problem you can't actually do anything about

[@selinabirkin1344]

Well the point of the game IS to die. Scrap collecting is just a means to put you on a collision course with them and there's no endstate so dying to monsters meant to kill you in funny and horrifying ways is the goal. (not meant to defend the game, because this son of a biscuit is not scary or funny)

[@akdreamer6497]

​@@selinabirkin1344 The problem is this fuck can spawn on the lowest difficulty maps and randomly decide to instakill you just because you stepped out the door of your ship

[@kevo3930]

Yep. My buddies and i just use the no fox mod because he actually is the worst ​@@akdreamer6497

[@JustMatchmaking]

​@@akdreamer6497 That sounds like more of a problem with AI fairness balancing rather than the instakill itself.

[@DS3Enjoyer]

​​@@selinabirkin1344 The point is to die? That it such a shit argument lol, this isn't Dark Souls

[@Looona_fan]

Swiper no swiping.

[@tailsfan11westandwithukraine]

Ah, the good old childhood days

[@nombreraro5213]

I, and I assume a lot of other players also, would probably not dislike John as much if vain shrouds didn't seem to spawn specifically on the shuttle in pretty much every map. The only time I have had vain shrouds spawn elsewhere on the map was on Offense and Titan, the latter of which still being extremely close to the ship anyways, and the former being right up at the main entrance. Maybe I'm just unlucky, but most people seem to have the same opinion of John being a bit bs. At least with this video, I know how to counter it, so there's something good! I appreciate the deep dive on the AI in this game, especially for John.

[@freddykrueger1699]

They really should add this guy back, i for one kind of like how he works, and I love foxes!

[@Jackspladt]

The fox really should lean into the “dragging you away idea more”. Like, obviously move the vain shrouds away from the ship, then have it become more aggressive throughout the day. By the time it’s like 4 or 5 then it will really start going out of its way to kill people. Imagine how cool it would be to take scrap back and then see your friends flashlight drop as they get dragged away into the darkness. Issue with the fox right now is that it doesn’t fall into the category of scary or funny, so it just kinda exists and is B.S. Also the fox should probably not instakill, and instead do kinda what the snare flea does where it drains your health when it brings you back to its nest until you die. Also, also reduce the health from 7 to 5 or 4. Anyways that’s just my idea for rebalance maybe it’s dumb

[@dstooter4348]

maybe he hides in the darker areas like behind homes or behind rocks since if he was moved from the ship he can be completely avoided

[@Jackspladt]

@ yeah that would be cool. Imagine it on artifice

[@milobytz]

1:45, I love how you said this as if he's your pet dog 😂

[@EssentialJay]

Missed opportunity to name him Swipper

[@silly_the_goober]

dude i never realised that that the face looked like that i thought its head was always sideways

[@selinabirkin1344]

Kidnapper Foxes are the perfect way to get new players to stop playing very quickly, as these guys have appeared for me by day four.

[@mtgmuffintemplar2862]

"before you skip..." skips

[@sasson10]

00:08 Bro that is me fr wtf is that thing???

[@frienderoo]

I think the problem with John is the same problem a lot of Lethal Company mod monsters have. That being that he makes the game way to centered around him. John will be a constant threat and gets past almost all ways of traditionally escaping from monsters as well as being too strong to negate this. If they had nerfed his health and made veign shrowds be able to be removed by attacks (just have said attacks take longer to remove them then the weed spray) instead of removing him I think he could've worked.

[@rayradiant1828]

The opening gives the same energy "So, I bet you're wondering how I got here..."

[@enginerd108]

my biggest issue with the fox is I can't find clear ways to avoid the fox if it spawns (I play multiplayer), so I basically need a shovel. You already pretty much need a flashlight, so an extra shovel seems like a pain in the ass

[@potatomining4806]

I’m already using mods to stop John from spawning. I’ve had John insta spawn on low tier moons on our fist day, immediately losing a third of my team

[@crisperstorm]

Just wish he didn't spawn on experimentation at all. Too big of a scare when people are still running from hoarding bugs not knowing if they're a threat or not

[@SomeCertainMycorian]

Fox that kidnapps

[@seantheextraguy]

I think the Kidnapper Fox wouldn't have been so bad if it wasn't placed directly at the ship landing site and was more polished because so many deaths we had in our game was due to it clipping through the ship.

[@algotfbg3057]

With my 80 hors of lethal company under my belt. I can confirm I have never seen this monster in game in my life

[@Hackerackerackeracker]

It was removed a while ago…

[@martinnorman9012]

@@Hackerackerackeracker and a mod that brings them back

[@gabrielewilson4678]

the kidnapper fox(john) is why so many people are afraid to go outside and touch grass(probs because it kills you in the grass/weeds), the kidnapper fox(john) is why we have so many hermits in the world.

[@jacksonholder2987]

Ah yes, John, or his full name, John Company

[@ZackagonXM]

“Hey guys! Welcome back to my very much fine and definitely humane KZbin channel! You cannot leave… not until you’ve completed the quota of liking and subscribing! Speaking of KZbin, let me introduce you to the most accurate depiction of what minimum wage is like in the United States! In this game, you play as John Company- hold on, I’m getting a call from the Company... Wait, John is already taken!? No. I’m still calling him John… The f@ck do you mean Nuh uh!? I-… what am I supposed to call him then? … Who the hell is Steve Jobs?”

[@niono1587]

Alongside his famous catchphrase "Looks like we got company!"

[@astro2121]

who's here after John got temporarily removed from the game?

[@princesscadance197]

‘Smoker’s got me!’

[@renaultft1917]

Well, no more Johns.

[@ShasOSwoll]

Whoever is doing the SponsorBlock segments for this channel, god bless

[@vynniev9611]

Lol shhh

[@RaxusXeronos]

From what I've seen and what people are saying, his kill range should not be anywhere near the ship. It kinda looks like he's a bit of a spawncamper. His nest's initial point should be set to spawn somewhere a certain distance away from the LZ. I also dunno if his attack range also increases with nest range but I assume not since it wasn't shown or said to expand. So I'm assuming it's just where the nest initially was set up.

[@redunant]

Hey i have some questions : 1) I heard and experienced that if you enter contact with John mouth, it will insta kill you but is it true only in his kill zone or everywhere in the map ? 2) Does vein shroud number save between days if you stay on the same moon ? 3) Does the 18 seconds timer start if you walk into the ship without stepping into his nest ?

[@OblivionFalls]

I wish we knew more about the Vain Shrouds. We had a session recently where we visited Artifice 12 times in a row with zero vain shrouds. Then, a few vain shrouds appeared, and the number of vain shrouds increased over the next 3 days. Then we had 12 straight days where John appeared every single time. Vain shrouds appearing on the Company moon, but they seemed stuck to the ship itself and would lift into the sky with us when we departed. Is the idea that the the plants get stuck to the ship and spread from moon to moon as we land and take off? I wish we had detailed info on this.

[@chboo1897]

1) No, only within 7 units of his nest while being dragged or within 16 units of his nest for up to 2.5 seconds after hitting. 2)Yes, it only resets when you make a new save. 3)It only exists in phase 2, so no.

[@lightningfinger]

@@OblivionFalls i am pretty sure it says in the bio for it (or the kidnapper fox's), the way they spread is by attaching to ships and spreading

[@toastr1255]

​@@lightningfinger I think you're thinking of how the kidnapper fox stows away on ships to reach new planets. The vain shrouds have their seeds purposely spread by the company to get employees to buy more weed killer

[@A.please_insert_witty_text.M]

@@lightningfinger The Kidnapper Foxes stowaway on ships and they end up carrying Vain Shroud spores that get stuck to them onto other moons.

[@dumbenickyt2009]

"When John attacks you, he will shoot out his tongue and attempt to grab you" L4D2 players getting PTSD from smokers: 💀💀💀

[@korvo3427]

The smoker is from L4D1

[@SimonPetrikov12]

Lol yeah

[@raven_2911]

Was really wondering about this dude cuz when playing I just didn't understand it exactly. Thought it was almost an insta-death, but shovels are important now.

[@Iopthe5]

I love how he starts the video like a documentary before breaking the fourth wall

[@natethegrape3337]

if you have a group at the ship its also very effective to have everyone with shovels gang up on him since he has a small stun every time he gets hit, so stun locking is very much possible with I think 2-3 or more players. probably easier with knife to stun lock him as well.

[@Zongleflork]

Imagine David Attenborough on lethal company

[@corvusaltair6709]

I remember my first ever encounter with John. I’d been alone on the ship at the start of the day, after my friends had gone into the facility, wanting to do mission control since we’d heard some freaky noise when we landed. When I went to close the door, this bitch John suddenly snatched me THROUGH THE FLOOR of the ship and killed me instantly. I never even got to see what the fuck had done that!! It wasn’t until our second time meeting John that I saw him and realized exactly what happened. Waayyyy too many times have my friends and I experienced getting ganked by this dude inside the ship, alone or not. I’m glad John is gone. If I ever meet him again, I hope he’s not himself by then 💀

[@Splilp]

Dude i went on artiface last night and the entire map was covered in the shrouds

[@rossiyan5298]

PLEASE make a video on the AI behind roaming locusts 🙏🙏🙏

[@jacksonsutrick1361]

I just want to say these videos are amazing. Gives me a lot of appreciation for Zeekers to see all the background stuff he does gor this game

[@Unity_Space_Cyber]

Sir, there is another enemy called old birds... I think they attack everyone.

[@sdfggdfg5fgdfg]

He said hawks are the only enemy that TARGETS John. Old birds *can kill* John, just as dogs *can kill* john. They will never actively TARGET john

[@averagejoe2301]

But hawks attack pretty much almost everything to . I’ve seem them target dogs, giants, robots, and like idk anything that moves I assume. So like they actively target everything.

[@Rage_WinterchiIl]

played a ton of artifice with weeds completely taking over the map, never once did it seem like the old birds paid the kidnapper fox any mind

[@hooparainbowbraceypkmonand7862]

Genuinely only one change needed to be made, while the ship is landing kidnapper foxes either cannot spawn or actively move away from the ship. This allows tou to actually buy and grab a shovel before he just grabs you. Once you have a shovel, you can still just pick it back up and whack him back.

[@Ralseee]

these credits requirement are getting out of hand

[@ToastyCarnotaur]

the fox would be such a cool enemy if the vain shrouds didn't always spawn around the ship. i don't think i've ever seen them not completely surrounding the ship

[@naerolf09]

cant tell if john is based of chris hansen because he ambushes you or epstein because he forces you in his home

[@alteregosocial]

or both 😳

[@micahhonig1575]

I've been waiting for this video specifically. the fox has started absolutely destroying runs for me and my friends.

[@fadesaway]

"I'M GETTING DRAGGED AWAY-"

[@thezeedood4209]

I can't beleive they took john away from us

[@Dkay.offical]

I actually witnessed john getting folded by the blind dog but that might of been a bug since it was in the beta version

[@sdfggdfg5fgdfg]

no. he said in a video that John can be killed by outdoor entities. But the only entity that actively TARGETS him are hawks. Dogs do not TARGET him but they do KILL him

[@ZackagonXM]

@@sdfggdfg5fgdfg Hawks and Dogs can only attack John via hearing

[@FrahdChikun]

With V60 out, it looks like the fox got temporarily banned for spawn camping, heh.

[@09bonkers]

JOHN SHOULDN’T SPAWN IN EMBRION 🗣️

[@Yoda692]

I can hear the ship guy grabbing the radio and screaming into it

[@Chris_Tootoo]

Does anyone else think 7 hits is a little too much health?

[@magiusfantasia5506]

Considering the it can't attack unless it's within a certain range of its nest, I think 7 is fine. Giving it any less HP would feel like it would be too weak.

[@toastr1255]

It's tanky, but that's honestly fine. When you kill it, you won't have to deal with it for the rest of the day since another one can't spawn. It's similar to the bracken, which has 2 less hp but is hard to hit without a shotgun due to it being able to instakill you anywhere.

[@ruzudemeve]

Honestly 7 is fine.

[@Crabtain_Crustacean]

@@toastr1255 the bracken only has 3 health, the fox has over double lmao

[@Ralseee]

@@toastr1255 bro a bracken has 3 hp, do your math right

[@lemone630]

First time I encountered one of these I hit them with that 'SWIPER NO SWIPING!'

[@gameboy-gf4pc]

I cannot wait for you to explain the AI of the ghost girl because that one is by far one of the most interesting AIs, next to the bracken definitely.

[@Superdavo0001]

Literally the addition which broke Lethal Company, it still spawns way too close to the ship & wipes teams way too easily. I hope Zeekers mega-nerfs it soon because in the meantime it requires mods to actually be playable

[@aq_ua]

It's getting disabled for version 60 according to him. Take that as you will.

[@angelstyle9677]

Before you skip.. *skips* “As soon as John enters phase 2…”

[@dudewswaggames]

This is literally the worst enemy in the entire game. And not only that, Zeekers was told not to release it by the community testers, and they "fixed it". Only to release the update without the fix. They promptly removed john from the game for the meantime, Lmao.

[@yoshi20105]

forest giants are way worse

[@replacableVessel]

They way it looks and the sound design are excellent, the design perspective of a threat to people that stay on the ship is also excellent, however the mechanic of the vain shrouds is the main problem with how they work

[@korvo3427]

It's back. I just got killed by it.

[@dudewswaggames]

@@korvo3427 😦

[@appeli1]

@@korvo3427was it a save where the fox was still in the game?

[@daubeny8071]

I really think these informational videos shouldn't have ads slapped in the middle of them ngl.

[@tomfooler9398]

Bro is getting tongued as we speak

[@hebberhobber6802]

I’m sad that they got removed

[@primary_magic1227]

Im happy, they seem boring and infuriating to deal with

[@Kenword69420]

I and no one I know has ever encountered the kidnapped fox. We have traveled to titan and artiface more than 50 times in 1 week never seen it once

[@Mildicadew]

Dev got rid of it due to communities poor reaction to it, said he would possibly bring it back with changes and tweaks to its effectiveness

[@PonyRapperMagro]

my first and so far only encounter with john was getting hit once while on the ship late evening on titan, and just immediately picking up a shovel and sprinting out after it shouting "COME HERE" im not trapped on this moon with john, hes trapped on here with ME

[@Cappy-Bara]

Also, the fox can't pull you off a ladder, so you are safe there. It's also easy to hit him when he enters the ship, though I recommend you use the file cabinet to wedge yourself if you get caught

[@ASquared544]

John really shouldn’t make you drop your items. Outdoor mobs should really reside in 2 niches in terms of gameplay imo: avoidable hazard or punishment for staying too long. Giants, Eyeless Dogs, and Old Birds fall into the latter category. Circuit Bees, Baboon Hawks, and those little flying guys fall into the former. Kidnapped Foxes fall into neither category. The fact they grab you and make you drop your items makes countering them extremely unreliable. They have the potential to spawn camp your ship so they’re very difficult to avoid. They are hyper aggressive so you can’t even live and let live. They’re as deadly as a dog and can spawn at any time. I like the idea of them being a hazard that grows worse the more you visit a moon, but the spray should take out 1 or more shrubs in just one spray if you want it to be an actual counter. Considering John tends to nest in the shrubs, using the spray is already super risky, so it should at least be rewarding.

[@TheMagic1412]

1:18 somehow john jumped scared me lmao!!

[@pokmon_ooo]

"what the fuc-" ox say

[@LOVELYLITTLENOBODY]

Can't wait for Alter Ego to have to remake this video whenever they readd the Kidnapper Fox with whatever changes they're planning on making.

[@silvo6489]

wait, THEY ARE ADDING IT BACK??? CUZ I REALLY WANTED THAT BOI BACKK, PLEASE TELL MORE

[@LOVELYLITTLENOBODY]

@silvo6489 From what I heard they were wither going to rework or repurpose the Kidnapper Fox, but that they didn't want to completely scrap it. I don't actually know much about it, so take everything with a massige grain of salt.

[@ekal3_YT]

manticoils next please

[@BatBoy2627]

Quick tip: put the bunkbed near the middle of your ship to make a makeshift wall. Saved my life once as it was pulling me I was able to get stuck on the bunkbeds and survive. Best way to protect your ship captain.

[@thestrongestails]

7:30 thank u love u, u ere the best

[@spartan5018]

Bros out here murdering foxes through vehicular manslaughter

[@Stothehighest]

Oh cool! I am so loving the indie love put into LC.

[@Макаронноизбранныйпират]

Ah, yes, John Vainshroud himself graced us with his presence