The AI Behind Forest Keepers

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[@alteregosocial]

REMEMBER: If your suspicion meter is 1 or higher, the giant will chase you AS SOON as he sees you.

[@Username_broken]

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[@JusticeMarley-j5u]

Will you please explain the Fear/Insanity mechanic next? I can't really tell how it affects gameplay outside of HUD ambience.

[@alteregosocial]

@@JusticeMarley-j5uYES! It will not be next, it will be right before ghost girl which is sometime in the near future

[@PvZGardenWarfare2fan]

​@@alteregosocialWhat makes a giant stop and stare at you at certain ranges and what makes his vison pass right by you (e.g. I saw in the video one point he stopped lokking forwards and looked directly at you and other times he glanced pass?) also does crouch walking count as movement?

[@-.CosmicCode.-]

@@alteregosocialin that same video could you also explain adrenaline if you haven’t

[@plattbagarn]

Phase 1: Roaming right on top of you. Phase 2: See you through walls. Phase 3: Camping the ship.

[@yuu3910]

Phase 1 confirmed. That shi roaming right on top of fire exit on Rend, where only 1 way to go up.

[@alteregosocial]

🤣🤣🤣

[@Yiffbait]

If you kill a giant, be sure to move out of it's way when it dies, think of its corpse as a giant extension ladder, we found it out hilariously thr hard way.

[@MothGirlHina]

That's actually so funny I'm gonna have to do that sometime

[@Dummydude]

The code confirms that this is true. If you're underneath the giant when it dies, you'll die too. When scanning the body, the cause of death will be "Gravity".

[@MothGirlHina]

@@Dummydude Yeah it happened to me yesterday by accident as I was testing how easy it is to kill a Giant at the ship door

[@BeanMau]

Player 1: WE KILLED THE FOREST KEEPER! Player 2: (Dead) Player 3: (Dead) Player 4: … Player 4: But at what cost…

[@sammak1862]

gamer ori real?

[@tomgoa5678]

Phase 1:Camp the ship Phase 2:Camp the ship Phase 3:Camp the ship

[@Insertnamehere684]

The ai: camp the ship

[@ayeemee9682]

*You know it’s serious when bro pulls out the desmos graphing calculator 😭😭*

[@adicsbtw]

True

[@FeDDoSoff]

I loved that illustration. C/C++ devs are superior

[@adicsbtw]

@@FeDDoSoff Can confirm, the graph used was by our resident C/x86 assembly dev

[@spectrumAYE]

I really hate how they instantly lock on to you after they see you once.

[@3ggY]

Now you become bait for your teammates.

[@jacksmix7123]

You are being promoted to a Cracker snack

[@TheEternal1ty]

when you said this that it locks onto player and raising its awareness or smth, i realized that was the case. apparently, this makes sense for a fucking infant.

[@getthedunkon9347]

@@TheEternal1ty It see toy. Toy disappear. Keeper sad. Keeper see toy again. Get It Before disappear. Grab Toy. Keeper Happy. Eat Toy.

[@JB-j8v]

it makes sense that they'd be looking out for you now that they know you exist and would now react faster after seeing you

[@lordmarshmal_0643]

The fact that a giant's suspicion only raises for the player it's focused on reminds me of its described "child-like behavior"

[@Noobworries]

boy i see another one of those guys he gonna turn into a forest sleeper

[@alteregosocial]

lmao 🤣🤣🤣

[@SimplyCheesy]

w pfp

[@gungy_vt]

Giants dying by earthworm is nice, but death by random lightning is my favorite.

[@Kiki-w4p3u]

it actually saved me. I was running away from one and It fucking died and I looked back and it was dead and now I finally understand what the fuck killed it

[@hat6885]

I am the Lorax, you cut down the trees, I break your knees

[@santa_with_a_gun]

i am the giant, i speak for the trees, if you cut them down, i'll eat your knees

[@broduffusman4102]

That intro of the giant climbing out of the ground was genius

[@alteregosocial]

shoutout to @adi

[@Ryan41707]

...how, it's just their spawn animation

[@Content_Deleted]

@@Ryan41707Perhaps the better word woulda been "clever", but anyway

[@broduffusman4102]

@ryanorth2252 The spawn animation is being used as an intro, climbing out of the ground to introduce the giant

[@miguelaguilar751]

adi has been on point holy shit 😂​@@alteregosocial

[@TheCrazyOne2]

Once you have all the “The AI behind _____”, you should compile them into one huge compilation, I like to put this on in the background so having a huge compilation would be appreciated

[@cycoMSM]

Create a playlist Why the fuck did this get likes

[@TheCrazyOne2]

@@cycoMSM why didn’t I think of this 😅

[@alteregosocial]

yes! i have all my AI videos on a playlist!

[@cycoMSM]

@@TheCrazyOne2 lmao

[@TheCrazyOne2]

@@cycoMSM i may be stupid

[@Bone_Incidents]

When making ai do you A) Code a very complex system involving behavior and weather statistics B) They follow balls I put around on the map

[@alfonshedstrom9859]

Thats what most game AI designers will tell you. If you make an AI too smart, it becomes unpredictable and not fun... so they often make them dumb on purpose to keep it feeling like a game

[@samuelbarros1563]

@@alfonshedstrom9859 it is not dumb just because the codes are simple

[@Bone_Incidents]

@@samuelbarros1563 No no no, what they mean is if you make an AI that will try to do the best things possible in a scenario, it will feel like you’re playing chess against a bot. Videogames are meant to be pseudo realistic, not fully. Although I would understand if the AI went with difficulty scaling where on the hardest difficulty the bots are just insane.

[@Bone_Incidents]

@@alfonshedstrom9859 I understand. Videogames are meant to be fun and having to deal with AI that you can’t accurately predict isn’t fun.

[@sakura368]

the orbs are easier, and the orbs mean they search EVERYWHERE once, then reset and search everywhere again

[@sneakydaddyman9882]

Hazard level b is crazy😭😭

[@getthedunkon9347]

I mean to be fair, it dies to half the outside mobs.

[@BluestTable]

Man one time i saw a forest keeper, ran for cover and look back to see him already sprawled out on the floor covered in baboons 😂😭

[@milobytz]

I mean, considering the danger and complexity of other creatures, B is pretty reasonable. Just crouch and don't get seen. Lol

[@-AGGRESIVEPEANUT-]

Cant wait for the old bird video 👹👹👹

[@spadok0]

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[@gambsy69]

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[@IEatDirt-h3y]

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[@BudgetGamingEnthusiast1]

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[@RiccardoBernardi-h7v]

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[@TBNRanimations0511]

I once had an INTENSE forest keeper encounter. I was on march and I was heading back to the ship, but as I’m walking, I hear the giant. I got scared but remembered that standing behind anything that can fully cover ur body will prevent u from being spotted. so as I watched the giant roam the forest, I was heading from tree to tree. And eventually I made it to the ship without being spotted. when I told my teammate about it, he said he was watching me the entire time, he also told me good job. Big brain move I made to avoid the giant. The encounter was way more intense than what I just said

[@ARStudios2000]

You Metal Geared him

[@avena7506]

These comprehensive AI breakdown offer a side of knowledge that some of the best guide videos on the Lethal Company side of youtube just don't, combining these with Bread's videos is knowledge that has saved me multiple times and also helped me ease my friends nerves in difficult situations. You deserve all the traction you're getting from this please keep growing!

[@Fract4l]

In-game representation: Phase 1: "uuuhhhh I think I hear the giant" Phase 2: "I'm dead I'm dead oh crap I'm so done" / "AAAAAAAAAAA" Phase 3: " *Starts the ship* "

[@CibuYT]

you forgot to add that old birds can easily kill giants ! this is very useful on artifice

[@A_mouse_that_is_pink]

i was thinking "i wonder how they work" and as soon as i think of it, you uploaded this. thanks :D

[@obamahostile4073]

NGL these enemies AI breakdowns are so interesting, thank you chief

[@skaladdy1164]

You forgot to mention you can kill giants pretty easily with thunder if you have a conductive item. A key is great because you can wait until the key is about to go off. Get the aggro of the forest keeper and kill him. This is really helpful for stopping the giant from camping your ship.

[@cowuwu1]

Don’t forget the old birds can also kill a giant. Also theres 2 different ambient sounds for when the giant spots you and one for when it chases you so you can tell which one is which

[@nickkrueger585]

2:27 wondering if he did his be real in that moment

[@SpinIfTeam]

I thought it was bereal time

[@scp-049]

I literally checked my be real when i heard it lol

[@Notllamalord]

I love watching these because I make games in Unity and I can imagine exactly how the dev programmed these

[@WretchedParty76]

Hazard level: infinity -1

[@brinoh]

2:34 the bereal sound LMAOO

[@SAmaryllis]

The graph was well-done, kudos to the mathematician for putting it together :)

[@AZR43L_YT]

great stuff man. These videos are at a professional level 👍

[@Its_Lunas_dream]

2:28 The BeReal sound made me so paranoid. I was sure, it was my BeReal notification😂

[@Ferox115]

I am loving KZbin’s algorithm right now, really enjoying these videos!

[@dimthegreat5398]

Hold on bro got animation now?! Amen. Keep it up lad! Can't wait to see the Old Bird analysis

[@hypnivaria]

it's cool to see the production value increase on each new upload :]

[@kiwiman096]

Hazard level: ∞ Once spotting a player, the Forest Keeper DEMOLISHES HIM NO MATTER WHAT

[@Pureman-ht5yk]

Adi did truly help you a lot man

[@Avabees]

Was waiting for this one in particular!

[@just.Harley]

this is a wonderful video, big fan of adding extra information at the end i love the niche stuff

[@momosity.]

Absolutely love the suspicion meter explanation that was beautiful

[@g1ngrbread]

I absolutely LOVE these videos, and they're helpful too! keep it up man

[@Nesw10]

Man I can’t believe how helpful and in depth these are, Thanks 🙏🏽

[@xHaii]

Huge thanks for making all these guides, keep it up!

[@Berzikov]

I absolutely love these Lethal Conpany videos, keep it up!

[@CibuYT]

such a cool video ! very interesting, very informative :) now I wonder if an optimised strat would be to crouch far away from a giant making sure he can still see you and waiting until he runs at you, that way everyone else has a decreased suspicion meter

[@porygon1889]

this is so cool i hope you keep making more videos on the ais

[@Zbpskals]

I been waiting for this forever oml

[@galacta7300]

EXCELLENT work dude. Curious to see a Nutcracker video!

[@nuckchorris1396]

I love how us gamers/nerds hate school until we find practical applications for math and science inside of games 💀💀💀😂😂

[@hambeargurfan]

my love i’ve been waiting for your next post. i’m so glad you finally posted again darling

[@lunarlionlilith]

I love the way you edit these btw

[@Earf1000]

I never thought I’d see Desmos in a lethal company entity AI video!

[@SomeRando5370]

Congrats on 30k!

[@mrvoidschannel359]

I love these videos. I want to be a game developer myself and this is entertaining and informative

[@rconmaster]

congrats on 30k :D i remember when you still had less than a thousand!

[@derfnaf_master8819]

congrats on the 30k, you really deserve it

[@titan1070]

man this youtube channel is awesome, cant wait till it gets to 100k subs

[@DragonuFear]

You forgot to mention lightning can also cause burning. And technically a jetpack explosion but thats not ideal. You can bait a giant over a sparking item and sometimes random lightning can result in randomly dead giants.

[@prstechnic1774]

We love the desmos graphing calculator 🔥

[@Night_Hawk_475]

Amazing! And so details on this one! I have no extra questions this time, ahhaah. Thank you so much for your effort on this research and on sharing it all with us in such an informative way

[@firekex]

Giants can also be killed by baboon hawks, old bird, and lightning if you have a spare key to put in the entrence of the ship on stormy

[@Quartz5005]

Damn, Adi doing some good work for the info.

[@wasvreta]

mostly out of topic, i'm curious as to what you're gonna do if/when you run out of NPCs to dissect, at least outside of clip dump-esque videos i really enjoy these analysis videos and i'm interested to see what other stuff you can fit this video style onto

[@Dwayne_LaFontant]

And they say math won’t be useful after school.

[@jettxym]

I love ur vids! Helps me understand them alot better.

[@inordirectional]

nicely done graph by echoprograms!

[@Clemente-0]

this week i was playing with my friends and suddenly 3 giants spawned at the same time, never saw this happening (it was adamance at 3:00PM) also great guide as always

[@tortilla-are-yummy]

NO WAY i have these dudes in my garden

[@Noobworries]

do you have a radar booster in your garden

[@daydreamer9986]

I had two blind dogs after me and happened to run into a giant instanly grabbing me. However, at that exact moment it grabbed me the two dogs simultaneously did that open mouth dive attack hitting the giant instead, killing it instantly while dropping me in the process while I quietly making my way back into the ship.

[@LuminLeveret]

I love you for making these videos

[@robinemblem9488]

Looking forward to watching your streams, great video as always

[@daniellagos8584]

Fun fact: these bad boys used to be invincible

[@Sasha11711]

6:32 I was once caught by a giant near the house on Vow, and then a group of Baboon Hawks rescued me by killing the giant and putting me on the roof of the building. Then, they were eaten by a group of Eyeless Dogs.

[@anton9270]

your the best thc for these vids man

[@MakutaBrainhax]

AN ADDITION! :if you stand behind or too close to the sides of the giant when it falls on death, his body will crush you.

[@TheSen12342]

FINALY NEW UPLOAD

[@ElvizNation]

Can't wait for that creepy little ghost girl video

[@dominic85]

ur bereal notif going off mid video jumpscared me

[@Gubacs_Mester]

i got jumpscared by the bereal notification

[@lonelyPorterCH]

Thats why they always roam around the ship when they saw one of us, interesting, so in this case, someone else has to go since their suspecion meter is lower

[@Juicy-America]

These are one of the only enemies that feels just a little OP

[@vicid1415]

2:25 be real notification lol

[@anodomaniD]

I heard that too and it got me

[@the_thicc_kobudai1606]

@@anodomaniD same

[@samuraidev9312]

Scared me so bad

[@vicid1415]

@@anodomaniD i checked my phone lol

[@Jackspladt]

“Hazard level: B” my ass this things a menace

[@Xcyber_Dev]

3:55 my Homies using Desmos

[@brentandes4317]

2:27 the bereal notification made check my phone 😂

[@HaloCG]

I was curious, forest keepers seem to be weak to fire. So can they be lit on fire by being struck by lightning? If yes then perhaps they could potentially be killed by baiting them into a metal object as lightning hits it. I haven’t seen this happen so I’m not even sure if lighting could even hit them. I think it would be a cool mechanic regardless. Edit: I just checked and yes they can be struck by lightning and will burn to death. So yeah that might be a possible way to deal with them.

[@SheckoEWOW]

All explosions can set them on fire

[@xtrem5428]

The easter egg burn is a nice touch.

[@poisonlight749]

I saw a giant get killed by a gang of baboonhawks

[@Shadow-xt9uv]

You gonna do Masked AI explained soon? (Just a question:D)

[@Shadow-xt9uv]

Keep up the good work Alter!❤

[@beb190]

you can also kill forest giants by dropping a metal item and have the giant stand on it while lightning strikes, my friend accidently did this lol

[@Thomas_Angelo]

waiting patiently for the baboon hawks video

[@flazzorb]

For next years april fools you should make up a creature with an absurdly complicated behavior pattern which at no point actually involves doing anything to, or about the player.

[@unsureprobablymaybe3527]

you mentioned how the sus meter goes into the negs when chasing someone, is there a cap to it or could one person just let the giant chase them for a couple mins and effectively disable the giant chasing everyone else for awhile?

[@MelodicaDude]

you didnt mention it in the video, but giants also have a unique interaction on titan where they can reach a hand up the catwalks and physically climb up from the ground. seems rare as ive only had it happen once, but it made me look into it and it seems to have always been a behavior they can display

[@firehornetgamer2698]

Wait, they’re killable???

[@RavenousStorm]

Yeah v50 made them killlable

[@phillipmartinez2480]

yes now hey are

[@SammysCreations]

It’s pretty difficult to kill them tho

[@Xolven]

1 Easter egg kills them

[@Azathoth343]

They weren't before but now you can kill them with a shovel, knife, thunderbolt, and finally the old bird. Btw I don't know if the shotgun works so maybe that too.

[@wildwolff]

At the start of the video there are stats saying the Forest Keepers are most common on Vow but at 5:40 you say "since giants are most commonly found on March". On the Lethal Company Wiki it says that Forest Keepers have the highest likelihood of spawning on Vow at a 65.36% chance, while they only have a 31.53% chance of spawning on March. Just thought it might be helpful to point out the inconsistency. (i'm autistic)

[@alteregosocial]

you caught me lol. VOW is correct!

[@forbidenpupetry]

YOU should make a mod that combines all the stuff you have so far to use to test AI

[@ChezzyKnytt]

Phase 1: Giant sees you when you leave the facility Phase 2: 30 metre reach Phase 3: Digestion

[@marcelio2k175]

additional kill method : lightning can set them on fire too , so you can bring metal object in front of ship and bait him, so he will walk in to lightning and die

[@АрсенНосков-е6ц]

The more videos released explaining AI, the more math and equations there will be

[@Cje_-yj8ov]

It’s funny to me how they’re so forgettable now on Old Bird maps, but still feel so formidable on the OG maps

[@elibvn6414]

could've probably mentioned that it's easier to tell who the giant is targeting in a crowd based on who has the menacing sound effect i feel that's a detail that's easy to miss