The Alphabet Soup Nazis | Doug Wilson & James White

In this episode of The Sweater Vest Dialogues, Pastor Doug Wilson and Dr James White discuss the rise of the alphabet soup nazis.
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[@soniajohnsen3336]

Careful how much alphabet soup you eat, you could end up having a very large vowel movement.

[@similjustasetpeccator1127]

Nice ;)

[@littleboots9800]

That's funny!

[@josephpaul4548]

Sadly, that happened to me but it turned out to be nothing, as the semicolonoscopy revealed.

[@soniajohnsen3336]

@@josephpaul4548 😂😂

[@khaderlander2429]

Lol

[@MATTHEWJOHNBELL]

Would have happily enjoyed another 3 hours of this.

[@solaar11]

I was wondering were the rest of the show was

[@samsdad110]

Make them an offer they can’t refuse.

[@alilasmum]

Agreed

[@ddrse]

You can be LGBT and Christian 👨‍❤️‍👨

[@MATTHEWJOHNBELL]

@@ddrse nope

[@Yesica1993]

My church closed for an entire year. I asked several times for them to open. I should've done so even stronger than I did. I even let them know about the pastors in Canada who were arrested for keeping their churches open. They did not agree with their stand. I was accused of not taking the virus seriously, and "XYZ number of people have died", and they were working with doctors/health professionals to keep everyone safe. How could I possibly compete with that? When they finally reopened, unmasked people were not allowed. I couldn't see or breathe well with them. As time went on, I learned how completely ineffective they were and I could not bear to lie. I could not bear to see children muzzled - children I used to babysit! It was all unbearable to me. I couldn't force myself to lie and say a mask protects anyone. And so, I was shut out for 1 week short of another year. Chicago finally ended the mask mandates and they finally allowed unmasked. But how could I go back and pretend nothing had ever happened? How could I walk in there after 2 years, knowing that the week before, I would not have been welcome? As far as I've seen, there's been no change of view on any of it. When/if Chicago starts the masking again or asks them to close again, it will be the same thing. They cancelled an in-person Christmas service because they city was fear mongering again about "cases." I begged them not to, even though I wasn't welcome without a mask! As far as I know, there's been no change of mind from March 2020. I've been mostly alone for 2 years. I have lost everything & everyone. I'm only now coming out of the shock and numbness. I have cried so much the past 2 years. I'm truly at the end of my rope.

[@janethompson4019]

The spineless attitude of many churches has been the biggest disappointment of this pandemic. My own church was exactly the same. I am personally quite vulnerable to respiratory viruses but I never expected my fellow Christians to wear a mask in case they gave me the flu. Pointing this out to them has made no difference. We did our best to gather together a small group of like minded people and do "church at home" but by the end of the lockdown I couldn't even bear to watch the services, seeing everyone obediently muzzled, knowing it was a lie and that many of them secretly disagreed. I honestly thought at the beginning that Christians would be the ones taking risks to help people, or meeting in the fields to worship, like the Covenanters. So sorry you've had such a hard time.

[@run4cmt]

Early on I could understand this, but my church kept up with insane masking rules long after we knew the virus mostly affected the elderly and masks were useless. You had to wear a mask to go to your seat and then you could take it off. You had to put it on to exit the church. Guess the virus is not active when you are seated.

[@mrs.garcia6978]

Why didn’t/don’t you find a body of real believers????

[@williamgreenfield9991]

@@run4cmt If masks are useless, then why have doctors and nurses been wearing them for years before the pandemic? God you people are dense.

[@williamgreenfield9991]

@@janethompson4019 "obediently muzzled"? JC is supposed to the shepherd and you folks are his flock. Christianity is all about "obedience". Masks work. That's why there was almost no flu outbreaks during the pandemic. That's why doctors and nurses have worn them for decades. God you people are dense.

[@gordonduffett5138]

I love these men. Doug, especially, is teaching me how to be a godly man. I’m deeply grateful for his ministry.

[@ddrse]

You can be LGBT and Christian 👨‍❤️‍👨

[@chrisclark7170]

They are bigot and cowards.

[@bigtobacco1098]

​@ddrse not practicing

[@karenlippett4342]

I cannot thank you both enough. Gentle, respectful and strong. May this be your legacy James in all your conversations with believers, Calvinistic or otherwise. Pastor Doug, as always, thank you.

[@ddrse]

You can be LGBT and Christian 👨‍❤️‍👨

[@daveperrott5751]

I can’t tell you how helpful these conversations are for lay people who’s local church is still “standing in the yard and watching the house burn down”. Thank you both for your clear thinking and message. Soli Deo Gloria

[@bengongillbonny7377]

Grift churches always fail letthemburn

[@dnzswithwombats]

Exactly.

[@ddrse]

Yes you can be LGBT and Christian 👨‍❤️‍👨

[@georgeakoto6589]

Great discussion.... I love these men of God. Soli Deo Gloria. Greetings from Ghana 🇬🇭🔥. Keep up the good work. And may the faithful living sovereign God continue to preserve you. Much love.

[@TimTheTuner]

What I appreciate about these conversations, especially, is that when I'm tempted to falter and think that perhaps things aren't quite so bad, these men bring me back around to reality and help instill in me a new energy to look out for my future progeny. I must be able to leave them something useful and powerful before I am removed from this world. I think I may be becoming postmil.

[@aallen5256]

This is a sad description.. Things aren’t at all as bad as the thin-end-of-the-wedge nonsense these two are exchanging! They’re not bringing you back to reality, they’re essentially radicalising you with their fearmongering!

[@Anonymous-km5pj]

Amen.... slippery slope, an inch here and inch there..... Can check out Exploring Tartaria channel, she did a beautiful vid on Timeline Deception. God bless

[@mrs.garcia6978]

Aren’t they A-mil? I can’t keep everyone straight (pun intended)

[@harrycobbler9806]

Me too.

[@Drakemiser]

Kind of a back and around compliment.” Thanks for reminding the world’s on fire.” Ha ha! I’m kidding. You’re right. Apathy got us here. The only thing I can see that might produce goodness out of this mess is people on the fence coming over and being on fire for Christ. Whether or not your secular neighbor who you have gotten along with before has gone further to the dark side, or he has always been there and we’re noticing it for the first time is irrelevant. We are quickly coming to separating the sheep and the goats. And the chasm couldn’t be wider or deeper. Fight the good fight. Finish the race. The time for live and let live is over. The other side already knows this and is acting accordingly. It’s time we step up as well.

[@esjel9804]

This exchange was gold - especially here @ 38:23 Doug: "I will never leave you nor forsake you", If you look for that (verse) on a Christian poster in a gift shop, you'd expect that verse to be on a picture of a basket of kittens," -- Dr. White: "not a landing craft of the beaches of Normandy" Doug: it should be a panoramic view of Normandy Beach, "I will never leave you. nor forsake you" Thank you for that illustration, so true it really encouraged me. The Lord is with us in the firey furnace.

[@danielscott70x7]

May not agree about the views on eschatology, but otherwise, man, praise God for this conversation. Edifying, convicting, sobering, and God honoring.

[@drewwilson6639]

I really enjoy when James discusses cultural issues. He seems to be one of the very few people who truly understands the dire situation we are in

[@Zaloomination]

He was ahead of the curve for sure. Like he said, The Same Sex Controversy was written over 20 yrs ago and his debates over homosexuality before that.

[@PeterTheRock-II]

This is great 👍👍. Love both of these great and wise men of God and brothers in Christ.

[@SolaScriptura49]

This was FAR too short!! May God continue to bless your ministries!! "Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit,.." Matthew 28:19

[@stopmayhem937]

I wish more pastors would listen to this.

[@ramoth777]

I wish that more pastors would TALK like this!

[@KMANelPADRINO]

When Doug pointed out the end of Hebrews paralleling Deuteronomy and Joshua, it was very encouraging. When I learned that, things definitely changed for the better.

[@RonGunsolus]

I absolutely love you two together... thank you for so many thoughtful discussions!

[@TheSMEAC]

James’ observation beginning at 7:30 is spot on. Blog & Mablog has been indispensable.

[@maggieprice357]

I love the sweater vest dialogues. These two men have been super influential on my theology and worldview. Doug’s wife daughters are also fantastic and I listen to their podcasts all the time. Highly recommend them for all women everywhere! They’re called What Have You and Femina. They’re fantastic

[@denverthorp2608]

Thank you gentlemen. So encouraging.

[@stephensmith6734]

This is a simply wonderful discussion. It contains everything. Thanks refocusing us all in the current climate.

[@Tryntius]

This was great. Very sobering. Thank you both.

[@brianwhalen1341]

I am not a Calvinist but listening to these men is helpful.

[@bobbycecere1037]

These guys are Calvinists? Oh boy🤐

[@crystalkeller722]

Thank you both!!!! You’ve covered so many points here which I appreciate.

[@JakeVeliz]

Great interview! In every way needed and praying we can equip our churches and families for this battle.

[@jordansweezer9364]

I second that, blog and mayblog helped opened my eyes during the first year of Covid.

[@kreendurron]

I just have to compliment the graphic designer for this thumbnail. Lol

[@adamperez8555]

God bless you both, and may your work in the Lord continue to bear fruit.

[@jerdazzo]

Thanks for your faithfulness, guys.

[@jeffdavis7543]

You guys are a breath of biblical fresh air. I've been caught up in bible belt argumentativeness of every wind of doctrine. What a pilgrims progress. You tempt me to move to Moscow, Idaho!

[@AZ.BOT.]

Love these guys ive learned so so much from both of their ministries

[@johnknox4293]

Thank you for doing this talk

[@AK-qg6rg]

29:07 - "The most stalwart among our pastors and leaders are the ones who are actually trying to put out the fires that the bad guys set, but we don't yet have pastors who want to set fires that the bad guys have to put out" - Doug Wilson. This was so powerful!!

[@TeamWilsonCT]

“We don’t yet have Pastors who want to set fires that the bad guys have to put out” - DW. Exactly the problem, we are too passive, non-confrontational, ambivalent, distracted, beholden to the sheep, or uninformed!

[@BeefyPreacher]

“We”

[@lorrainem.swartzentruber3077]

My father saw this stuff happening in the 80s. But Christians were content to sit quietly and live in the wealth of our country because we weren’t being persecuted. But now that the country’s morals are diverging more obviously from ours, some people don’t want to not be liked and therefore bend to the culture’s views to continue to blend in. God is separating the wheat from the chaff.

[@TeamWilsonCT]

@@BeefyPreacher it’s Doug Wilson’s ‘we’ as I was quoting him. I think he is referring to Evangelicals as a whole.

[@Zaloomination]

That quote struck me also

[@davidhawley1132]

We need to recover the contra-culture reading of the NT.

[@Biblino]

great conversation. much needed!

[@Freedomfortruth90]

Two of my favourite apologists and fighters of the faith.

[@barefootinthegarden]

Great conversation, brothers. Really a blessing.

[@newchristianity3895]

Sure, if you believe in the unbiblical theology of theonomy.

[@harveybarham]

By God’s provision I’ve learned a lot from these two brothers over the years. Grateful for them.

[@joshhigdon4951]

I miss these interactions! Thank you both

[@jf30bke]

34:30 - "Do you know that all the dark won't stop the light from getting through? WE DO!" from Andrew Peterson's Is He Worthy

[@Freedomfortruth90]

Thanks for this. Appreciated the conversation

[@jasongrenko7877]

Give us more on Postmill!!! Both you and Bro James give us a super detailed view of Postmill!!!

[@JesseStevenPollom]

So grateful for you two faithful brothers!

[@JoseRamos-rj9dd]

Amazing Thanks guys . You both among others are a blessing to many . Very gifted men I and many others learn from and get encouraged by Christ Himself be with you

[@jwprosper]

That's what I said about the ostensible victory in Florida against Disney...the 4th grade??? Teachers should not be discussing sexual practices at all. Biology yes, sexuality no! When I was in school (1980's) I didn't even know what my teacher's first name was, let alone their sexual preferences.

[@voted4bush]

The book "Unchanging Witness: The Consistent Christian Teaching on Homosexuality in Scripture and Tradition" is a fantastic resource as well!

[@highlightning6693]

I remember a very long time ago fellow believers many years older than me being in alarm over secular humanism. They seemed to me to be overreacting. I was exceedingly wrong on that, it turns out. They weren't overreacting _enough_ .

[@ruben346]

" Stupidity is not a long term strategy" never heard that one but now i want to use it

[@fnfjedi]

To Doug's comments about "No you can't do that, you're five..." It reminds me of the Disney cartoon Phineas and Ferb when an adult would make a delivery and say "Hey aren't you kids a little young to be doing this?" and they would respond, "Why yes, yes we are." Then the adult would just shrug and say something like "Huh, ok" then leave like it was no big deal. It seemed so innocent watching it then... now, not so much.

[@MrPruijssen]

Thanks soo much! (Blessings for Holland!)

[@OGDreamer]

Love you both and Jeff. You’re my lifeline ✝️

[@AlixPrappas]

Thank you brothers for sharing your premonitions of the world likely befalling us. Both of your voices have been helpful in my journey to stay faithful and apply the Lords word in my life. May he protect you and use you in the days to come.

[@Zanroff]

When is Doug Wilson going on Timcast IRL?

[@fernandocuriel124]

That’s absolutely a great idea.

[@jessepolkjr7067]

We're just watching how Sodom and Gomorrah came to be so vile. 🤷‍♀️

[@Freedomfortruth90]

It's good to hear honesty

[@alvinc2179]

Great conversation

[@stevenboyd593]

"We need some sort of flag to rally to"...and just recently a young school boy was reprimanded for a patch sown on his backpack, the famous don't tread on me flag ...they have their flag and we have...

[@javiermiranda6135]

The alphabet people are in for a big surprise when Jesus comes back for his rainbow!!

[@timbushong4387]

- That's good ^^^

[@bengongillbonny7377]

We'll be extinct before

[@jellysandjamz250]

Ok, but what about PostMaloneilism?

[@debtorofgodslavishgrace5129]

👆😂

[@87DAM1987]

There is no way the great tribulation has come. It says that great tribulation will be like no other time the world has seen before or will see again. And with our techology. Dark times are coming that the world has never seen before, nor shall see again. And 70 AD was not Jacobs trouble, not by a long shot.

[@BiblicalDhiman]

On my channel, I interviewed Pr. Doug and I must say that he is a good teacher of the word of God.

[@foghornleghorn262]

Dual sweatervests mean wisdom and discernment times 2, and as far as I'm concerned a theological Grand Slam.

[@gcinambebe4383]

Yes sir

[@michaelmaestri4071]

be CAREFUL making Zelensky a hero

[@3IN1SDG]

EXCELLENT BUT WAY TO SHORT! God bless you both, brothers.

[@brownslayer68]

Thought this was great & very thought provoking

[@00teatime]

I am super surprised this is still up.

[@dustymedlock]

27:03 "Christian shepherds need to fight for their sheep.. You either love the sheep and fight the wolves, or you refuse to love the sheep.." " ..you just let a few of the sheep go to keep the wolves happy for a while... Isn't that what we've been doing with our young people?" YES, in so many ways, sacrificing our young people for temporary 'peace' and comfort.

[@billybob-wx2re]

i'm just going to disagree with, "now that everyone sees that it's here..." james, mr. white, they still don't.

[@jaredlowry3547]

**cough**The Gospel Coalition**cough**

[@trouble416]

“The Church exploded in China,” through faith in Christ alone, not faith in post-millennialism.

[@CHRISTS-Gang]

When is the next one Gentlemen?

[@jimpemberton]

32:00 - The historical reference can't be missed. People think things are getting bad, and they are, but they think they haven't been this bad before. The only thing that distinguishes our time from previous times is the level of technological sophistication. Persecution? Evil people who reject God? It's been happening like this since the first bite of the wrong fruit.

[@ramoth777]

Very well said 👍

[@daleflix]

A recent news headline says “Christian Book Publisher Eerdmans Endorses Pride Month with LGBT Reading List”

[@ZephaniahL]

Wilson was looking rough for a time about a year ago. Hope he has recovered -- and he looks like it.

[@jesuschristisrisen3519]

God bless you all.

[@fernandocuriel124]

We could enter a dark age? Well ya, it’s a possibility. Don’t forget the Great Reset. Who knows! Let’s see what happens.

[@itinerantpatriot1196]

If you agree these gentlemen are correct, I highly recommend reading "Live Not by Lies: A Manual for Christian Dissidents," by Rod Dreher. He goes into great detail of what we are up against, what to expect if the progressives get their way, and how the key to success is with the family and the church. The book applies to everyone, regardless of faith. There is wisdom in here even for those who don't believe at all. Like this discussion, just straight forward, honest truth.

[@mrs.garcia6978]

EXCELLENT book, I agree!

[@jdubb6557]

I'm here!!! Oh yeah!!

[@sethnicholas6211]

Good stuff guys!

[@sethnicholas6211]

@@newchristianity3895 How is theonomy unbiblical?

[@jonathanowen9917]

So much yes! Kuyper, Wilson, and White are on point with where we should be going and what we must do. We must carry the gospel forward on every front, stand boldly against the giants and dragons, equip the next and future generations to build Christ’s Kingdom, and submit everything and completely to our LORD King Jesus.

[@michaelclark2458]

Yes the Post Mill Gospel is way different than the Scofield Reference Gospel.

[@davidkunze2770]

Unfortuantly, they are well spoken but wrong. If the world goes on for 1 more genertion, as is, there will not be a human left for which Christ came to save. All will be 1/2 breeds as in the days of Noah. Christ came to redeem human sinners, not monstrosities. Satan does not win, Christ does. Isreal is the super sign here. Let's not be blind here, but open our eyes to reality while there is yet time.

[@inlonging]

@@davidkunze2770 ok so don’t plan a retirement, don’t get life insurance, don’t have children, don’t buy property, don’t start businesses.. goodness it’s all about to go up in flames right?

[@jfkmuldermedia]

Scofield's descendents seem to have a pacifist - don't fight, escapist - saved only to go to heaven, theology. The Gospel is called "The Gospel of the kingdom of God" in Mark 1.

[@michaelclark2458]

@@inlonging most raptureists (escapists) don’t really live like they really believe the world is ending when it comes to important things like that. It’s ultimately just an excuse to do nothing and watch whole generations go to hell because they hope that the end will come soon.

[@inlonging]

@@michaelclark2458 I always imagined if one did believe the world was about to end, evangelism would be of the utmost importance, like you would literally be on the street talking to everyone. But I don’t even see that prioritized.

[@caitlin6151]

Well gentlemen, excellent as always. I will always be historical premil, but I believe that we fight every single hour of every single day until our Lord returns. If hiding is your style, you should be a pietist and a dispensationalist. If they are right, we all still go to heaven, I'll just have a few more bruises than them. Keep speaking truth.

[@karcharias811]

Man if only I knew White was coming to Moscow, I would have driven down. Live in CDA.

[@jwheatly]

fantastic content

[@dmustakasjr]

The reverse of Kuyperian is the enemy. Pretty sure my Bible says that too fellas! Great discussion.

[@Not_iJB]

A better understanding of Ukraine would be beneficial for your discussions

[@harrisonstone9264]

Sweater vest!!!! I love these videos.

[@AxmedBahjad]

How come is an educated gentleman with degrees and whose first language is English is keep saying "Jeff and I?" "Jeff and me" is the correct form at 1:16

[@His-Story.ForHisGlory]

wow the world really was way different back in 2012...

[@eriklytikainen2446]

The “B” in LGBTQ+ is evidence of only two genders 😂😂

[@hummervs3278]

T implies there is one that can go to another. So there must be identified starting points- something that group is currently trying to say doesn’t exist.

[@zacdredge3859]

The only thing I didn't like about this new installation after however long is that it felt as short of the sleeves of the sweatervests themselves...

[@harrycobbler9806]

Beautiful guys. I am blessed by your leadership, and my wife and daughter through me. Now a challenge, would one of you please demonstrate that Jesus has claimed every inch of California by starting a remote campus in Irvine California!! :)

[@-RM-]

It's a sad thing that I can only Like this video once.

[@otiscorn4538]

I can't get past the fact that both these guys believe that God decreed the very behavior they are decrying. Crazy.

[@jenniferwayne6017]

As a recovering dispensationalist, can anyone recommend a solid book/teaching series on Law and Gospel issues? I’ve looked at some Lutheran material, but would be interested in other viewpoints.

[@krisandnatpierce8993]

"Law and Gospel" by Ernie Reisinger

[@a.s.w.508]

Yes, you're right. Are you sure no one saw this horror coming? I mean, I saw it coming for a long time, and I'm a nobody. Is there a place to go to raise kids so that they will come back to their home country and build after implosion? My main prayer for the U.S. is asking that God will continue to give us the freedom to teach our children and the freedom to worship Him. Worship and passing on the truth to generations as He commands.

[@theodorebe]

FACT CHECK 4:23 there ARE cliffs in Kansas! Maybe not in the middle of Kansas, where Doug says they were, but northwest Kansas 😜

[@marshallalbritton9521]

Well done Gentlemen!

[@jacobkrey]

Love these men and appreciate their honesty on Post-Mill. It's "fun", and they are worried about the next generation so much it tears me up, really. I just have one problem, Revelation of Christ, specifically 19 & 20. Brothers, we need to stop trying to Abraham this thing. Forward not backward. Christ will come, we will suffer, but He will come exactly the WAY He says. Godbless

[@robertlewis6915]

Glad to see some people who aren't evan-jelly-cals.

[@christvictoriouskingdomnow2473]

So between Apologia and Canon and add in a few more like minded ministries and you could easily get over a million voices that if a coalition was formed and with like minded intent, couldn't we by the grace of God and through the Lord in us, begin to exercise change? Its almost like we have hundreds of generals, but none of them are working together to effect what is needed. Don't get me wrong, Apologia and Canon are making a difference, but together and then gathering others under one unified banner, could perhaps make a much larger impact.

[@mcgragor1]

You have the American Vision guys like DeMar etc...maybe all of these guys can get together and work for a much larger coalition.

[@theeternalsbeliever1779]

No matter how many evangelical coalitions someone wants to form, they're not going to get the results they want because they're disagreeing with God's prophecies.

[@mrich21087]

James: “Stupidity is not a long term strategy.” GOP: “Hold my beer.”

[@rockycomet4587]

THIS IS MAGA COUNTRY!!! 💪💪💪🇺🇲🇺🇲🇺🇲