Effeminacy and the Church | Douglas Wilson (Collegiate Reformed Fellowship)

[@JM-fv2il]

When I was a teenager, I remember pondering if Christ was STRONG enough for me to trust (in a violent, lying, attacking world); I saw Christ as the rejected Savior by the Jews and the weak God of the Catholics - the Protestants were moving towards SJ & ending "prejudice", so I sought out my own God until I was far enough from the church to recognize the TRUTH. Now all of my grown children attend church b/c I shared a Christ that can meet you in the toughest circumstances.

[@ZephaniahL]

To be clear: you think it is a good idea for every man to set up his own interpretation and take his family down this self-created road? This approach explains a good deal about modern American Protestantism.

[@michaelreed6603]

@@ZephaniahL nothing in the comment indicates that position. To be actually clear: this is a brief testimony of a stranger and in no way provides an adequate sample to inform any impression of any church, as said stranger is merely speaking on their own behalf.

[@ZephaniahL]

@@michaelreed6603 That's true -- if we depended upon rigorous science and adequate sample sizes very little would be said in KZbin comments at all. But some of it is, instead, having fun.

[@peterwebb8732]

@@ZephaniahL .. No, you are not being clear at all. The leadership and direction that a man is obligated to peovide for his family is not abitrary or based on his iwn whims. We have a responsibility to seek out a proper, rational and practical understanding of God and His law.... and to lead our families THAT way.

[@JesusRodriguez-zy3wj]

Much is misunderstood by preachers today that is clearly written in Scripture. Relevant to your point about appreciating the ferocious strength of the Lion of Judah is Mat 11:12 “From the days of John the Baptist until now the kingdom of heaven suffers violence [or is forcibly entered, NASB 95 note], and violent men take it by force." CS Lewis used to call this "muscular Christianity" which is anathema to most of today's effeminate Churchianity. This is why I like Doug Wilson despite disagreeing with him on much. At least wilson knows that "It Is Good To Be A Man", book title pun intended. My first 6 months in America as a 9yo Spanish only speaker were spent homeless in the gang infested streets of NYC circa1966. I am nauseous with the Laodicea ascendant modern Churches that teach contra-Biblical ideas like "unconditional Love" (did the Father go after the wayward son BEFORE that son repented?). Tell me how IF Love were unconditional why there's a Hell. I agree the conditions for salvation are NOT found in the sinner BUT, neither shall an unrepentant sinner be saved. We can argue about Who or whom gets that sinner to repent later BUT there ARE conditions to God's Love;. I personally entered the Kingdom in an intellectually violent way: by trying to disprove the Bible as an agnostic some 40+ years ago. The only book I have never found grievous error in, either religious, scientific, ancient, modern is that Bible. I went at it with every caustic weapon at my disposal to find errors. I have NEVER had even a shadow of a doubt since becoming a Christian because I entered it with a ferocious intellectual attack. This is why women ought to cover their heads and stop publicly rebelling against the authority of men. That whole passage is rooted in the first 3 chapters of Genesis. The command to cover the head for women, and conversely NOT to cover the head (ie the effeminate Papist "priests' who so like their long flowing dresses), remains in force. The Bible did not change in the 1960s. Interesting how for 2k years everyone, even the most heretical Churches, understood that women ought cover their heads until just after Vatican 2 in the 60s. This by the way is ON POINT. It is a VISIBLE sign of the deeper disease of modern Churches: feminism. Even the pastors today who are more afraid of God than men; are more afraid of women than God. BTW, 44 years happily married.

[@emeraldsmith3782]

This message is so what the church needs! It’s what I need!

[@-RM-]

I'm 29 minutes in...and I just now realized that there is a light switch embedded into the middle of the white dry erase board. That's one way to solve the problem! 👍Great talk, as always, from Pastor Wilson.

[@lw1151]

Aw! I see it! Very observant of you 🤣

[@andrewtlockemanch]

At first I did t want to believe it. I was like “Nooo….that’s not what it think it is….right?” Nope.

[@juleyberglund4129]

🤣🤣 I was there and never noticed 🤣🤣

[@p.o.d9410]

I'm 3 min in, I somehow read this comment because I didn't go to full screen immediately now I will spend the next 51 minutes focusing in the switch, thanks a lot haha

[@bencorley8687]

@@p.o.d9410 Same, my dude. Same.

[@Ephesians-yn8ux]

What an awesome talk. Doug you are a wise man of God

[@katherinelayne7465]

Wow this was great. I wish all churches taught this. I wish parents taught this.

[@555pontifex]

Reducing 'masculinity' to sacrifical responsibility will not do. He has clearly suggested that masculinity is more than that.

[@ChristKirk]

It's not reducing as much as summarizing. Of course there is more to masculinity. But at the bottom of it all is laying our lives down in service to those entrusted to us.

[@matthew4878]

​@@ChristKirkno he is reducing.

[@michaellautermilch9185]

I agree as well, women taking on a feminine role likewise are accepting responsibility. It seems like too broad a definition of masculinity.

[@charitymeyer9903]

I completely agree with Pastor Doug here and I think he touched on it, but I would say a woman absolutely does want her husband to lead her and make decisions and stick to his guns, however she wants a leader that makes those decisions thoughtfully and selflessly. When she knows that the decisions were made for her and the families good, she would crawl over glass to obey him. However if you are lactose intolerant and the only place he wants to take you is the local creamery, he may be leading but not selflessly.

[@davidfayfield6594]

Ok you may be right. But should she still submit? Or is it like the army and you don’t need to follow an immoral order?

[@davidfayfield6594]

I mean after all , the man is a sinner and likely incapable of being selfless

[@charitymeyer9903]

And you think I am saying the woman has no duty of service and selflessness? That is a funny presumption. All Christians are called to sacrificial service.

[@charitymeyer9903]

It seems funny to me that when one sex is addressed somehow someone points to the other sex. One person’s responsibility does not negate the other’s responsibilities.

[@davidfayfield6594]

@@charitymeyer9903 not sure exactly what you mean, but let’s get back to my question. Does the woman have to follow the man’s order even if she disagrees with it or considers it immoral?

[@jcolterh]

My mom bought me a hatchet when I was 7 years old. I got my first knife around that time too.

[@timcummiskey1178]

Praise God for pastor Wilson!

[@herewegokids7]

Why.

[@timcummiskey1178]

@@herewegokids7 because he's a courageous man of God, for starters.

[@herewegokids7]

@@timcummiskey1178 🤣🤣🤣

[@chrisc414]

That example at the end didn't quite scratch where I'm itching. I'm the man of the household who is dying to do family devotions, and I can't get my wife interested. Which, I know sounds bad. Because as a Christian, you think she'd want to. But every time I try to, it's like I'm inconveniencing her. She'd rather do what she wants to do. I feel like all I can really do at this point is pray that she'd become more interested. And you might be thinking maybe my approach is wrong. But I've tried several different approaches. Even when she acquiesces, I can tell she's not paying attention. It's really hard not to get bitter about it. I just want to say, "Can't you just give God 20 minutes!!!" But I know that's not a good approach.

[@naminaoberhausen2131]

Do you talk to her about how God makes you feel?

[@elizabethschutter63]

I rarely ever post comments, and never reply to others, but I felt compelled to do so in encouragement to you. I am a young wife trying to learn and practice biblical submission to my husband, so please do not hear this and think I am trying to teach you something. I only know my own experience here, and hopefully there is a godly older man in your life who can help you more in this. That said, I wonder if you have tried asking her what time of day would be most convenient for her to have a family devotion? I know when my husband involves me by asking my thoughts on something, it makes me more inclined to care about doing it well. You may also emphasize to her that you are trying to be obedient to the Lord by being the spiritual leader in your home. Her willingness to come along side you in support is imperative for your success as a couple, and you might remind her so. If she is truly avoiding family devotions because she does not see the value in studying God’s Word, then that is a sign she may not actually be a Christian, or at least not a very mature one. I would definitely encourage you to be firm, but loving, and to be praying for your wife and marriage often. I will pray that the Lord would direct you both according to His Will, and that you will be able to work together in growing in your marriage.

[@bogeyman1282]

@@naminaoberhausen2131 what does that have to do with anything?

[@chrisc414]

@@elizabethschutter63 Thank you. For the record, yes I've tried those things. I think her disinterest is partially due to the fact that she's filipino, and [self-admittedly] not a big reader. I think she just assumes from the outset that she's not going to be able to grasp what we're talking about, and then, in turn, that causes her to not even try. But (and forgive me for saying this about myself) I'm actually really good at explaining things. So that part isn't an issue. I think the above is just excuse-making. I think it is a heart issue. My biggest challenge is how to deal with it in a godly way. Because it's hard not to get frustrated and bitter about it.

[@chrisc414]

@@naminaoberhausen2131 Maybe not enough.

[@scroopynoopers9824]

Tough message but i can accept it. The bit at the end where a woman tests her man is not a good idea though. We call those sh*t tests and it leaves a man confused/feeling manipulated. Not a good idea for a lasting marriage.

[@chrisneeds6125]

If a man fails the sh*t tests he is either too immature to be married or he's too full of himself to handle a little testing...

[@winstonsol8713]

It’s straight manipulation and the mark of a woman who actually has so little interest in knowing here husband that she prefers $hit tests over understanding personality. If you know someone, their motive and commitment for doing something is obvious in their direction, voice, and body language. $hit tests are literally a red flag proxy for a woman who is 100% disinterested in intimacy. All she wants is the provisions, not the relationship. It’s not even slightly difficult to read someone well enough to see commitment. Manipulators manipulate BECAUSE they don’t want intimacy, and, lacking intimacy, need clunky proxies for insight. What a nightmare to be in a relationship with somebody so shallow.

[@Counterculturefamily]

yeah men dont like it because it is hard, hard things suck, like a woman shallowing her pride and being submissive when the man is lost

[@MetroplexAerials]

Elsie Dinsmore wasn’t just the 80’s, either. Vision Forum pushed out a bunch of them in the late 90’s and 2000s to a ton of homeschoolers, too.

[@michaelsamuels9901]

What I gather from this is stay single

[@CarrieLaffs]

What I gather from this comment is you missed the entire point

[@chrisneeds6125]

Wow, that is SOOOOO disappointing. Yes, it's a huge learning curve Michael; but here is my tuppence worth: a marriage relationship is 100%/nothing. I give 100% of me and i expect NOTHING back; anything back is bonus. When a woman sees this she responds in the most incredible ways, all the books in the world can't contain them. It can take a few years (God's testing time?) for her to click; but when she does, you will NEVER look back. Above all; don't be bitter over failed relationships, because neither of you knew how to handle them...

[@rodbrown8306]

This subject is turning, at least in the real Church that is!

[@skeetabomb]

Some very fascinating historical insight

[@thundergrace]

Hello Pastor! And all blessings to you. I hope to make it to Kentucky for the FLF conference!

[@ZephaniahL]

FLF?

[@Three_Dog_Gaming]

Growing up in south Louisiana, getting knife (or hachet) as a kid isn't taboo. It's almost a requirement. Everyone finds themselves out on the water at some point where that sort of tool is needed. Even if they're no fishermen by trade, there's always a need for something like that. I know that was really just an example, but it stuck out to me as I remember getting my first knife. The knife itself wasn't very special, but it was more about the trust my parents had in me

[@kevinteichroeb6997]

Pastor Doug, I'm quite convinced that Pietism has deeply feminized the church. Pietism seems to appeal to women; but men have a need to get involved in a much more practical way. Polls show that up to 70% of the people filling our pews are women... and it's worse here in Canada, where Pietism has taken deep, deep root. I'd be curious to hear your thoughts on this. We would love to come visit Moscow one day, but, for now, we're not allowed out of Canada.

[@MrSeanschickens]

Pietism seems to always get thrown under the bus when it was a response to dry scholastic orthodoxy. Pietists went out built schools for orphans, sent missionaries into the far corners of the world. The Methodists who basically were Anglican pietists were some of the most energetic Christians this world has seen. I'm not quite sure how the horse back riding evangelists, who roughed it for years, can be considered feminized. It would seem that the guys who were quite content sitting in Universities on the east coast complaining that George Whitefield was too emotional were the effeminate ones.

[@JoeKawano]

What is Pietism? How is Pietism doing that?

[@lkae4]

How are you personally combating effeminacy in the church, other than calling out Pietism? And you're not doing anything, you might be part of the problem.

[@jackstockdale2583]

@@MrSeanschickens Great point!!

[@BeefyPreacher]

@@lkae4 I agree, but often times things are not in our control. I think there comes a time to accept we can’t change the church that we’re not in charge of

[@jefftube58]

At about 31:03 Pastor Wilson says if we have women giving direction, etc. a different set of values comes in. He could have just as easily said, "a different spirit comes in." Probably more accurate.

[@jasonsierra3696]

What bible printing company do you folks recommend? No study bibles, just simple but quality.

[@ChristKirk]

Check out the offerings at evangelicalbible.com.

[@JamesStein-hz7wk]

Concerning this; Melchizedek, King - Priest - Messiah and the ransom for many. The whole idea of Ransom is to find an equivalent to fit the ransom demand. In our case the only equivalent would be a greater life and thus we find Jesus fulfilling this demand as a Priest after the order of Melchizedek and the power of an endless life. In the act of his self-sacrifice and in accordance with his father's will. The ransom is paid (in more than full) and all the forfeited lives of sin are redeemed. No earthly King could ever solicit such devotion, loyalty and love from his people. That's why the Son of Man is KING of Kings. Take time to express gratitude and thankfulness in offering a sacrifice of praise to Him who full-filleth all and all. For he is our God and we are his ransomed / redeemed people. O' the redeeming love of God in Christ Jesus! Now an: Ode to the Great Melchizedek, King of the Most High God. From earth, to sun, beyond the stars We see thy spender from afar With fainting breath, a fading eye We know Eternity draws nigh Beneath, above, beyond the sky We see thy face, thy August Eye In silent chorus we refrain While in our hearts we whisp thy name We bow our heads in reverent dread You sent your Son, you raise the dead Turn down our hearts, adorn thy bed Thou hast a place to rest thy head O' Seraphim O' Cherubim Thrice Holy hymn enjoin Eternal light, Almighty friend In Endless love, we say Amen! JS 2016 exp of wholly other. Further thoughts Daniel saw the statue with a head of gold with its historical import. John sees a vision of Jesus in the ascended, exalted Melchizedekian office as the King Priest with a living voice like a feast trumpet speaking pertinent things for the moments at hand. Saul in his Throne Vision Call on the road to Damascus must have seen the glorious piercing light of this Melchizedek as he rules and reigns And I might add, He continues to Rule and Reign for all Eternity even unto the Ages of Ages Amen! Thanks for all the work you do.

[@nathanflory9641]

I agree with Doug Wilson. I went to church of the king in Sacramento which was a crec church. I am looking to move back to Sacramento California to rejoin. May move back to California in May if trump wins

[@dubois2.024]

And you have nailed why I switched over to Orthodox Christianity. It's waaayyyy more masculine for sure. One of my old friends, a lady, was a female pastor, and that was my last Protestant straw. I feel for th Protestant church though. It is in pretty bad shape as a whole. BTW, if you want more men: Number one, preach the truth in love and don't compromise that. Number two, take a firm stand against homosexuality. No noodling, no waffling, and no caving. Number three, be sure that your worship requires movement and participation. Men are made to move. There's more but that goes a pretty long way. Bonus: Support and explicitly promote and define proper male leadership. And proper gender roles. Again, no compromise.

[@douglasmcnay644]

When you say "Orthodox Christianity", are you speaking of Eastern Orthodox? If that is so, it seems that there was an error made in judgement. Just because some "professing Protestant Christian" may be a terrible example and is a complete hypocrite when it comes to their convictions has no bearing on the validity of the belief system itself. If I buy a brand new machine and the machine comes with a detailed manual that tells me how to do everything the machine is capable of, then you would say that manual is perfectly sufficient and understandable to guide me in PROPER use of that machine. If, however, you decide to only skim certain sections, misread others, or even completely skip or deny other parts of that manual and instead just try to work the machine and run into a problem, is the manual wrong or to blame? Not in the slightest. A poor excuse for a Protestant has no more sway on the truth of the worldview than does an extremely faithful Buddhist, Muslim, Roman Catholic, or even an atheist.

[@davidhewitt4568]

Except you have abandoned one significant error (that of effeminacy and related sexual perversion) and embraced another (a denial of justification by faith alone; the Orthodox Church does not affirm it). From one fire to another. There are solid, Reformed churches that are truly Gospel churches and as a result are correct also on the sexuality issue. Find one.

[@Chirhopher]

Dubois, how is one Made Right with GOD?

[@philipmurray9796]

Wouldn't Doug's example be proof there are masculine Protestants and you didn't have to jump ship to Eastern Orthodoxy?

[@Greasy__Bear]

@@davidhewitt4568 yes the orthodox do not affirm salvation by faith alone because it is a doctrine invented by luther. They believe you are the one that is wrong based on ripping several verses out of context. The i am basically in the same boat as the original comentator. I personaly dont think i have the required intellegence, wisdom, and humility to interperate correctly so i have to choose who to follow. It is spiritually and emotionally damaging to go church hopping. At some point you have to choose who you will sumbit to and an ancient church that can tell you were when and why every one of thier beliefs come from and the vast majority of them are from the first century is a safe bet. People tend to forget the orthodox church is 2000 years old. A whole lot has happened and they stood firm against the devil longer and better than every other church hands down.

[@tammywhite5742]

So need my husband to give me my wherewithal?

[@boltoms]

*Who was the first human to spread the Gospel? I rest my case.*

[@NorthwoodsWolf]

Grow up.

[@LizaFan]

@@NorthwoodsWolf the very question seems to have irritated you.

[@jennifercunningham8834]

What does the scripture say about these things, How do you know o husband or wife if you will save your husband, we are called to be gracious and live that out in our homes, we are not to beat them over their heads with the word. God will do that in His time if it’s His will. Be patient

[@thiagobryan1958]

🔥

[@josuegomez3462]

Inicio: lo bíblico es que la esposa se sujeta al marido, no que la mujer se somete al hombre. Min 11:00 la definición de piedad se ha feminizado, al hombre más dulce de la iglesia se le pide ser pastor

[@stuartkidney3257]

Until that light switch is removed from the dry erase board, I will not pay any attention to someone speaking in front of it.

[@supersmart671]

I am confused what does masculine mean? How does it look? I am getting conflicting message ....if men have been feminized,...what is the point?

[@chrisneeds6125]

Masculine is strong but gentle; negotiable but decisive...

[@howelltaylor6774]

Industrail revolution started in 1760

[@kandacarr1776]

About 18 minutes in you claim that the Bible says women cannot become ministers according to the Bible but did not provide a scripture. please provide the scripture you were referring to?????

[@ericjames7819]

1 Tim 2:12, among others.

[@LateN2904]

Why don’t you just search the scriptures. If you’re involved with this discussion and don’t know what the Bible says, you’ve failed.

[@kandacarr1776]

@@LateN2904 because I have searched the scriptures and there is no such scripture. Anyone who blindly believes what this man is preaching is the one who needs to re-search the scriptures. He is making a positive claim and should be able to back it up with scripture. This man misrepresents the word of God, you cannot just pluck a scripture out of context and make up your own doctrine. You have to read every scripture in context with the whole word of God and build line upon line as you gain understanding. Our teacher is Messiah, not these false representatives Who preach what your tickling ears want to hear. The scriptures say we are to submit to each other as a body of Messiah. Messiah’s body of believers includes God’s daughters(we are half the body). Our Messiah is in heaven, He is the one we must obey/pay attention to/ listen to, not man. From the beginning man has usurped authority over woman (that’s why they were kicked out of the garden it was “because of the man” who did not repent, go back and read Genesis). Some men have snuck into the church and have turned it upside down to make it seem like the woman’s trying to usurp authority over him just because she wants to use her gifts given to her by God. This is so laughable since for thousands of years we’ve lived in a patriarchal society where religious men think it’s their job to silence woman and suppress their gifts. All true believer women want to do is to be able to use their gifts without men silencing them just because they are a woman and telling them they can’t when Messiah tells them they must. As far as I have seen, women that love God with all their heart and others as themselves who are true believers, have no desire to usurp authority over their man and be the high priest between them and Messiah. Some men are just afraid of losing their perceived power over women. All healthy relationships requires each person to treat the other person as they would want to be treated themselves. That means all people need love and respect all relationships need give and take there are no double standards. God is just And teaches equity, and hates those who oppress others. He tells us to stand up for those who cannot speak up for themselves not shove them down and silence them and suppress them and tell them they can’t use their gifts. You cannot treat a woman like you want to be treated when you think you are the ruler over her. When you think you are the authority over her and her boss just because of the sex you were born with. God tells us not to be unequally yoked. That means we are supposed to be equal, not one person has more power than the other.

[@kandacarr1776]

@@ericjames7819 in all of Pauls letters he is responding to letters that are written to him. We have to look at all scripture in context with the whole Bible and especially what our Messiah said. When did Messiah say women must not use their gifts from God and must sit down and be silent? It says in verse 14, the woman fell into transgression but in Genesis it says they were kicked out of the garden “because of the man.” This is a letter Paul is responding to and we should not pluck out one odd scripture and build a doctrine around it especially when Peter warns us that Paul’s letters are hard to understand. God is not double minded, He does not change his mind like a man, He is not inequitable, or unjust. Messiah told us to treat others as our self not as our slaves or subservient partner. God tells us do not be unequally yoked, that means we must be equal. Sorry I can’t tickle your ears like this preacher. I must worship God in spirit and truth.

[@ericjames7819]

@@kandacarr1776 Deceiving yourself that the Bible does not mean what it actually says, and men and women do not have very different natures. You will reap what you sow. Just as our culture is beginning to do.

[@vanessaloy1049]

I’m 46, raised in the PCA, and I’ve never been married. I’ve never heard a friendly or encouraging word from a patriarchalist in my life.

[@ChristKirk]

Sorry to hear that, Vanessa. May the Lord bless you.

[@shenanigansofmannanan]

That's likely because you're in error and not obedient to the Word. You're an egalitarian or closeted feminist. Which is why you're 46 and without a husband.

[@MrAbsentmindedprof]

None has ever said "hello" to you, or "get well soon"? I think your perspectives are coloring your experiences.

[@chrisneeds6125]

​ @MrAbsentmindedprof I agree; often times our preconceived ideas of how it's going to go down make it actually go down that way in our relationships; too sad. My prayer for Vanessa: heavenly Father; Abba; help Vanessa see Your glory in/through all those in her life truly sold out to Christ. Fill her heart with Proverbs 33 wisdom and connect her with a Godly man who shows her clearly sacrificial love together with strong leadership as pointed out so clearly in this video.

[@vanessaloy1049]

@@NorthwoodsWolf Wilson uses the word “patriarchy” to describe his position quite liberally.

[@flamingrobin5957]

i reject the idea that empathy intuition compassion are "feminine" jesus had these traits. the problem with "traits" as defining masculine and feminine is you are removing them from personhood a commonality we all share and the individual uniqueness of personality. there are personality styles that are complex not just two gender polarities. hence the need for submission. women have leadership gifts that need subjection to ultimate leaders who are men. masculine leaders are able to be a covering for all personalities, genders, ages and gifts. lets talk about the four fold ministry apostle prophet pastor teacher and evangelist..........all roles exist that include more than one gender. the leadership covering is for building up the gifts in others in proper order.

[@michaellautermilch9185]

I disagree with your content and your grammar.

[@chrisneeds6125]

You may reject whatever you want to, however Scripture says that women are not to have authority over men.

[@justanoldmansopinion]

The male role is not primarily a position of authority but rather a God given responsibility.

[@bernhardbauer5301]

Church is the bride? Can you give scripture for that? Paul never uses the word "bride" in his 14 letters Israel is the bride. Christ is the Head of His Body. The Church is His Body.

[@chrisneeds6125]

Rev.21:1 Then I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away…. 2 And I saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband. Bernhard, are you saying that you won't be in the new Jerusalem?

[@bernhardbauer5301]

@@chrisneeds6125 I know something better. By the way I can enter the new Jerusalem whenever I will.

[@LateN2904]

Dispensationalism has always tainted the picture of the Church.

[@Soobinleee]

Wilson’s understanding of the nature of God is concerning. The men are not effeminate today because they have appropriated the bride-bridegroom metaphor to their personal lives, but because they are not appropriating enough! Wilson’s methodology for doing theology proper is problematic. He is importing creaturely categories of masculinity and feminist back into the internal life of God. He’s got a very distorted view of masculinity. It actually takes more strength to be able to be gentle than rough, it requires more self-control to temper the impulse to speak rather than listen, more courage to feel in with the person’s pain rather than to ignore and not think about it.

[@michaellautermilch9185]

I'm struggling to see connections between your comment and anything Pastor Wilson actually said. Could you add a timestamp or quote?

[@chrisneeds6125]

​ @michaellautermilch9185 Agreed. Not sure which video Lee Sobin was watching but it wasn't this one that i watched 🤔

[@tammywhite5742]

So you are saying women should not get to have fulfillment in her life but she had to support her husband in getting his….hmm…

[@tammywhite5742]

He says the feminism like it’s a dirty word???

[@chrisneeds6125]

The number of negative comments to such excellent teaching is beyond scary; a clear sign that we are in the last of the last days 💀

[@lukemclamb6881]

Oooo, I think you might find more of Doug's teachings interesting.

[@Saylor_On_Shore]

Doug would not see negative cultural reaction to the gospel as a positive sign of Christ’s eminent return. Check out his messages on post-millennialism. It’s a really optimistic (and biblical) perspective. ❤

[@chrisneeds6125]

​ @Julie_youtube_ "As in the days of Noah..."

[@wfemp_4730]

Your comment was 6 months ago. Exactly how many "last days" remain?

[@chrisneeds6125]

​ @wfemp_4730 Are you asking from a point of interest or out of cynicism? Only God knows how many days comprise the last days but we can surmise from careful exegesis of His Word that there are at least seven years in the tribulation, which may have started already...

[@tammywhite5742]

LOL …seriously dude. Been married 41 years and KNOW that a marriage is 50/50 not my husband is in charge… He is unafraid to go against your masculine roles… this is insulting to all women and men frankly. Our marriage gets better every year as our roles blend together. He not gay he is a nurturing and loving and giving and honest. Honesty is the greatest gift in our marriage. This is nonsense 😢! Doug….you seem to be afraid of women…don’t want us to vote… Thank God for my husband who acts nothing like you!!!

[@wfemp_4730]

What a refreshing perspective. Hear, hear!

[@tammywhite5742]

Thank you for your response!

[@bruin4Christ]

How do I love my wife without neglecting my responsibilities? I want to help her with the children and the chores without sponsoring her laziness.

[@ChristKirk]

You should send your question in to Pastor Doug. There is a letters feature at the bottom of his website: dougwils.com.

[@bruin4Christ]

@@ChristKirk I tried last year but no response. (Similar question) Nevertheless at word I sent it.

[@chrisneeds6125]

How did Jesus love you and me without neglecting His responsibilities? He loved us 100% whether we would love Him in return or not; whether we would ignore Him and despise Him or not; whether we become slothful and lazy or not. He also said "Follow me..." Get onto it Bruin; you will never look back 🙏💯💗

[@wfemp_4730]

Do your wife's responsibilities sponsor your own laziness?

[@davidfayfield6594]

If it’s moral because god says it is, then how do we know god is moral? Because he says he is?

[@ninerocks]

By what other standard can we know what is objectively good?

[@davidfayfield6594]

@@ninerocks now that is a great question!

[@JM-fv2il]

I have been interested in exploring God as being JUST; He decides, He hands-out Blessings & punishment, He provides me with free Will and allows me to approach Him - I see morality like "fresh underwear" that is clean, tight, and comfortable when you don it, but it gets stained, loose, and smelly after awhile and needs to be changed; is that what you mean by "moral"? There always seems to be a cultural component to morality - even within the churches.

[@wnctg]

Yes God is the final authority, perfect, Judy and holy. He can't lie or Sin

[@davidfayfield6594]

@@ninerocks well it’s not objective. It’s gods opinion on what is good. And it’s your opinion they you believe for and scripture. It’s called divine command theory

[@westyso.cal.8842]

Please come to my church and teach this. 😊

[@chrisneeds6125]

You're blessed to have a church. Here in UK they are either staunch calvinists or totally woke 🤮

[@kandacarr1776]

There is no commandment where God tells a man to rule over his wife. The only Commandment we’re God tells tells a man to rule, is over sin. “Adam” includes woman and man, both are to rule over creation not each other. That’s what you men should be focused on not ruling over women!

[@ethanschoonbeck8519]

Talent alone is a poor qualification for any position in the church. Take for example Hillsong church, they employ people with great musical talent, but poor theological, and doctrinal understanding, this is reflected in the bad theology of their songs. Musical talent alone doesn't make one a good choice for worship leader. Anyone serving in ANY position needs to have a proper knowledge and reverence for scripture, and a strong walk with Christ. Just because some women have great talent and qualification in the egalitarian church doesn't mean they should serve in leadership positions, this is true of some men as well. We must be scriptural not egalitarian, egalitarianism by definition is not entirely scriptural. We are all equal under God, but just because we're equal doesn't mean we're the same or have the same opportunities. Men and women are designed differently by God for different purposes, if that ruffles your feathers, you should re-evaluate how much you trust God and His word. Complementarianism is more Biblical because God accomplished different things through both men and women. God is asking men to lead, and that means me MUST lead, specifically in the home and Church.

[@CDKLRK]

We shouldn't talk about authority/leadership without referencing Matthew 20:25.

[@joeanderson8176]

Just the tiniest of pushback here on how you exchanged the word “pastor” for “minister”. Ephesians 4:12 is clear that the men fulfilling the offices in the church are given to “equip the saints (men & women) for works of ministry”. We are all ministers. The majority of effective “ministry” is done at the personal level and is the result of a “saint” having been made equipped by the Holy Spirit Who uses the written Word of God and the administration of it through “apostles…prophets…evangelists…pastors & teachers.”

[@patogden856]

This is very interesting, yet complicated. Why not just keep it biblical? The priesthood in the Sanctuary was exclusively male and inherited by sons. God never changes therefore the male inheritance of the priesthood remains with men. ❤XxPatricia nz

[@chrisneeds6125]

The complicated part is the unBiblical part; it's called disobedience; Adam and Eve started the trend 😧

[@zacharymonroe94]

This is not a sermon, it’s a lecture. Beyond that, this comment well illustrates the difference between men and women, and is emblematic as to why men are to teach.

[@josephde-zordi7324]

Rambles on, the emasculation of church and demoralization of good men is due to pastors who take the stage and desecrate the waters ( Ezek 34)

[@justinchamberlain3443]

1:01 it's clear that a woman is not to have authority over any man 2tim2:12; any man it what the text says so it isn't just her husband

[@skeptic_al]

Oh Douglas! You’re so manly! So godly! What a paragon of virtue you are not. Cult leader. Run away!

[@ChristKirk]

Greetings, Alan!

[@kandacarr1776]

Our creator believes in equity in the law sorry all people are equal and he does not permanently place females under males. Sorry to burst your bubble but you have a misunderstanding of the interpretation of scripture that you read.

[@kandacarr1776]

Just because a preachers preaches something doesn’t make it truth people, go study your Bibles there are lots of false teachers today. Remember the words of our Messiah “ do unto others as you would want done to you“ So if the tables were turned and you actually understood the truth about Genesis one through three and you knew that it was actually the man who was the reason why they got kicked out of the garden and the woman was entrusted with the seat of Messiah. Would you want the women to beat up on you as much as you beat up on them just for being a woman’s?!!!!!!!! Seek the Father with all your heart and repent of hating women just because they’re born women and perhaps He will show you the truth on this matter.

[@chrisneeds6125]

You sound very bitter Kandy; who beat up on you, dear?

[@navigatorsway]

Christian men forgot how to be men and decided to follow the culture.

[@hotice8885]

What a reductionist (and therefore, _deceitful_ ) comment

[@kandacarr1776]

Do all of you really believe that a loving, merciful God would tell His son, who disobeyed on purpose, that he now rules over His daughter because of a mistake she made in ignorance???? Do y’all even try to understand the heart of God or do you just preach out of ignorance on purpose to hurt women. Read Genesis one through three again they were kicked out of the garden because of a man and right after he renamed the woman Eve and usurped authority over her just like you saw the servant do to her.

[@davidfayfield6594]

I gotta join this church. Submit woman! God tells you to! Love it

[@kandacarr1776]

Our Father tells us in his word to find an equal partner! Not a partner to rule over or to be subservient to and worship! Wake up people you don’t have to believe everything preachers speak out of their mouths, read the word for yourself.

[@kandacarr1776]

Unfortunately because of these lies preach from the pulpit so many marriages today are suffering and ending because of men thinking they have complete rulership over their wives and that they are forced into submission and the men that do agree with what you’re saying but don’t act it out and actually behave like egalitarians where everybody is equal and each person gets a say and they work it out together as partners but they say they’re complementary and they are the ones being hypocrites and because they aren’t speaking up all the ones that are acting out ruling their wives are being harmed severely and you all will have to answer for that when you don’t speak up for the truth and don’t care about the truth the Father will blind you if you don’t care!!!!!!’

[@ericjames7819]

We can see in modern woke culture what happens when women don't have to submit to men.

[@Soobinleee]

Wilson’s advice to single woman is to run from the man who won’t submit to auhtority and at the same time he endorses the church to get the young boy who always gets into fights and has black and blue bruises all over his body to go to seminary. 😂

[@michaellautermilch9185]

Umm... Nothing wrong with either of those things? You seem to think that's a contradiction, but it's not.

[@elimilliman8722]

Since Paul did not write 1 Timothy your argument becomes void. There were many ideas about the role of women in early Christianity as the early Christians were extremely splintered. There is no evidence that Paul actually held these ideas about women as voiced in 1 Timothy as there were many gospels and epistles that are attributed to names that had nothing to do with the writing of them. I would like to see anything specific in the Bible that speaks of masculinity verses femininity that is not oppressive in nature and not simply an example of ancient cultural values that should no longer be embraced. If biblical relationships between men and women are what you want then why are you not preaching for men to have as many wives and concubines as they can afford? Why are you not preaching The Song of Songs? Just like 1 Timothy we don't know who wrote the Song of Songs so they are on equal footing.

[@jamestrotter3162]

Paul DID write 1st Timothy according to the word of God.

[@davidfayfield6594]

@@jamestrotter3162 prove it

[@reubenmartin1930]

The same arguments positing that the letters to Timothy and Titus were not written by Paul would also challenge the authorship of many works attributed to Shakespeare. But let's assume we could objectively discredit Paul as the author: So what? Authorship is not the determining factor of canonicity. Rather it is established, both in canonicity and normativity, by divine inspiration prompted by the Holy Spirit. If you do not hold God as he has revealed himself as "a priori", then you're just looking to validate scripture according to whatever preconceived hermeneutic you subscribe to, to further re-enforce that hermeneutic. You're begging the question.

[@jeffhunter2282]

So what? All scripture is God breathed.

[@elimilliman8722]

@@reubenmartin1930 If someone forged a Shakespearean text it is an infinitesimally small matter in the grand scheme of things as there are not millions of people deciding the fate of women based on said texts. You are assuming that the Bible was put together via the inspiration of god through the Holy Spirit because someone told that to you. A group of fallible men got together and said that and millions upon millions have believed them without question to our own detriment. A careful study of the Bible proves otherwise unless God is inconsistent to the point of insanity. The biblical text is amazing and wonderful, but also demonstrably and objectively wrong in some places and works of myth and legend in others. It was written by people who were more often than not absent from the events they wrote about, usually separated by hundreds of years, who often disagreed on the nature of God and Jesus and the Holy Ghost. The Jesus of John the Revelator could not be any more different in nature than the Jesus of Mathew. Nothing could be easier than demonstrating that the Old Testament never even mentions Jesus. And, yet, people continue to pretend that these authors agree and are talking about people and things that they are not. That should give all of us pause. Interpretation is everything, but how do we interpret a forgery such as 1 Timothy? Perhaps we shouldn’t. Or, perhaps we should keep the good ideas and disregard the bad. Perhaps we should not take it for granted that everything in the Bible is the word of God and we should think for ourselves instead of believing false traditions.

[@kandacarr1776]

Stop worshiping this preacher he is speaking lies. It says in the Bible “…that the eye cannot say to the hand, I have no need of you: nor again the head to the feet, I have no need of you.” We are all part of the body of Christ we have one master, messiah. We are all to submit to each other in the body of Christ.

[@ericjames7819]

Obviously that doesn't imply everyone doing what everyone else tells them to do. As it does for wives with their husbands.

[@kandacarr1776]

@@ericjames7819Nowhere in the Bible does it say your wife has to do whatever her husband tells her to do. That word submit is actually better translated as Support. Both partners should support each other, otherwise you have an unhealthy, toxic, unequally yoked marriage. And no woman has to stay in an abusive marriage. God hates violence, not divorce. Treating someone like they’re your slave or your child because you misunderstand the Bible, does not give you the right to force your will on your wife. Remember Jesus words “do unto others as you want done to you”. I doubt you want your wife to treat you with this same attitude and behavior you have towards her. The whole reason God made woman in the first place, Was because it was NOT good for man to be alone. Why does it say in Genesis that the serpent goes after the woman and her seed if Adam was so righteous? God is not double minded and change his mind like a man. The woman who many call Eve was the one with the righteous behavior By telling the truth and taking responsibility, that’s why God selected her to have the seed of Messiah and God (her Father) explain to her what the man was going to do to her. Adam blamed God and his woman and did not repent nor take responsibility. And you guys think God rewarded Adam with rulership over his wife(God never once spoke to Adam about ruling over his wife). You can choose to be like the woman and worship God in truth and spirit or be like the man(Adam) who had the unrighteous behavior(blaming his woman and God), it’s your choice.

[@ericjames7819]

@@kandacarr1776 you don't get to redefine words in the Bible to your liking. It also says "as into the Lord". This doesn't mean we "support" the Lord. It means submit to his authority. Neither women or children can be abused. That doesn't mean they don't have to submit to authority. You are free to rebel. But you will surely reap the consequences.

[@kandacarr1776]

@@ericjames7819 We will see when the Father comes. Him and his Son are the judge not you! For me and my house we choose to serve the Father and the Son and His Son says to treat others as you would want to be treated. This patriarchy thinking and preaching is why so many women are abused in marriages. This word (support) came from a Greek scholar who studied the most recent manuscripts that they found in the Dead Sea Scrolls to find the actual meaning of some of the words in the New Testament that were not discovered till recently. God warns us to be aware of the lying Pen of the scribes. We should care what Gods heart is towards everyone not fear how we will lose some perceived power we believe we have over others. Gentiles want to Lord it over everyone, He calls those who want to be great to be the servants to all. Most of the references in the Bible when God is talking about someone ruling over someone else for the most part means that that person is oppressing others and is the oppressor. Go look at references in the Bible about how God feels about oppressors. Yah Bless on your journey to truth. Peace be with you.

[@jty1999]

@@ericjames7819 Preach! Also, @kandacarr1776, we don't and shouldn't worship preachers 👍 Choose your words carefully and watch your anger

[@brianchojnowski5989]

27:56 Seems like a great pro choice argument

[@carpediem5316]

What are you talking about? Making the choice to not kill a child you created is something that most parents have done.

[@wfemp_4730]

@@carpediem5316 You're misrepresenting what he said.

[@Lili-Benovent]

If you think any, or all, of your problems can be solved by Jesus then think again. You have to realize that Jesus is the cause of all your problems not the solution, if you don’t think about him then he’ll go away, it’s time to dump Jesus and all his silly rules for your life, you’ll begin to feel free and so much better. Tell him to take a hike.

[@jamestrotter3162]

And Jesus will "dump" you into the lake of fire.

[@Lili-Benovent]

@@jamestrotter3162 Isn't Jesus just the most kind and compassionate savior you could ever have? he's going to cook me.

[@cullenkenneth5980]

Curious to hear how you ended up on this video?

[@Lili-Benovent]

@@cullenkenneth5980 I am here to spread the good word about alternatives to Christianity.

[@Freddy-Da-Freeloadah]

You know your going to Hell, don't you? You had better get back in touch with Jesus... Problems are not a bad thing to have, if you have some help solving them. And problems are not going away just because you hide under the covers! Our fellow man needs our help dealing with their problems too, so again, we had better get in touch with Jesus. IMHO