The Apos x Audio Technica ATH-R70x Refine is INCREDIBLE

[@TheRealAstro_]

To anyone thinking about getting this: you can also just get the normal r70x on discount (please only get it on discount, at full price MSRP its not worth it and it regularly gets discounted). Then if the pads are too shallow for you get Brainwavz replacement pads which are quite a bit deeper and more comfy. Then just EQ them and they'll sound similar to, or better than this set while being more comfortable. All for a cheaper price and permanent availability, no limited time bs

[@badseedtech]

I’m pinning this bc its really helpful info - appreciate that. Gonna chat w Joe and see if he can measure the stock R70x with these new pads and see if they’re whats making most of the difference on the tuning.

[@TheRealAstro_]

@@badseedtech Thanks for the pin! I know its mostly just hearsay but I've seen a lot of chatter online about how switching the stock pads make the r70x more warm. I currently use them with the Brainwavz hybrid pads (velour/leather) and Oratory EQ preset (the preference setup listing from his document, not from AutoEQ) running balanced off a FiiO K11. I much prefer this setup to the stock tuning. The only problem is that there are (to my knowledge) no measurements on the r70x with different pads which really is a shame as it doesn't allow me to easily see what I could tweak.

[@ChadMcCan-eg9km]

Where do they get discounted? Camel says they have been $349 on Amazon for years.

[@profosist]

@@TheRealAstro_ the pads are all that's making the difference in tuning besides the color and pads, no other changes were made. I would also argue at their normal 0rice their still a great buy. Been using mine as my main open back since 2016

[@TheRealAstro_]

@@ChadMcCan-eg9km Ah sorry in my country they do. They're like 350 euros but are regularly found for 300, sometimes ~280 euros. And in the used market you can get them from 200 bucks in very good condition, which is a steal imo.

[@TheBeastly1113]

Lmao the editing is getting so good and entertaining. The stuffing cough caught me off guard. I also loved the brief horror look after the “squeeze the eyes” kill

[@Silver_Joystix]

Speaking of limited, please tell Apos to cut this shit out. Making limited editions of products and promoting unnecessary artificial scarcity is a great way to make me not care about a company.

[@badseedtech]

Apos doesn’t have the manufacturing or financial muscle to support a sku like this full time. And AT isn’t going to dedicate a whole sku to a refined tune and a colorway change. If the product is a runaway hit then *maybe* - otherwise, small batch is the only way we get stuff like this.

[@LyK0sa]

​@@badseedtech honestly, all they (they being AT) need to do is put the new pads into production. I don't think anything else has been changed, and R70x fans have been crying out for viable pad options for ages.

[@Silver_Joystix]

@@badseedtechI appreciate the perspective and I apologize if I come off as rude. I’m just agitated by companies with good products that are hampered by long wait times and conditions. I have the original R70s, and I would love to be able to just pick up a pair of these from Amazon at my convenience.

[@justinwalsh5521]

@@badseedtechmy issue is the batches order system but you don’t know which batch you are in until after purchasing! Thats a legit bad customer experience moment

[@ZAIBYR]

@@badseedtech kinda unfortunate, but thank you for breaking it down like that

[@Xamy-]

I’ve been using the r70x for 10 years, only replaced the pads. Most comfortable headphone I’ve ever owned and sound is very clean, you can wear these suckers for like 8hrs no problems and great for games

[@erichagele]

Bad Seed is my all time favorite KZbinr. Amazing videos with character. 🙌🏻

[@badseedtech]

Yo thanks so much

[@erichagele]

@@badseedtech dude, so cool of you to reply! I’m a huge fan man. Your videos are outstanding and I have no doubt you’ll be at a million subscribers in no time. 😎

[@pelagia1538]

Love that youre being more technical in your headphone reviews now, investing the time and money into measuring rigs was super worth it. Great stuff!

[@badseedtech]

Thanks! Its great to be able to see what I'm hearing. Even better to know that the vast majority of what I thought I was hearing over the years was totally accurate haha

[@corerampage7587]

Thanks for covering this in the gaming aspect.. I find so many audiophile channels never cover the gaming part, and I care about whether audiophile headphones are good for gaming or not.

[@Misfirem]

The sound of the stovetop stuffing hittin the wall has me genuinely in tears

[@ssmith3617]

You see the product link in the description?

[@UpgradeLemonade]

I got the regular r70x as a gift from my wife. Absolutely love them. I did swap out the pads and got a balanced cable. The comfort is unmatched for my big head. It is a clinical sound profile with stock pads but the brainwavez velour oval pads i got rounds em out nicely . This release sounds amazing tho, can definitely recommend 👌

[@TheRealAstro_]

I got the hybrid pads and its so good. Plenty of space for my ears and its so soft and comfy

[@Calipered]

Man I love the OG r70x and absolutely love the look of these. Great shame that they aren't available in Europe.

[@jasonpitsch1152]

I was in the first batch of these and they are just a cozy set to use for gaming in every way. Even work well just plugging into the Steam Deck directly which surprised me.

[@RemFreeman]

Thanks to this video, and a couple of others because I love my research, I bought a pair of these last night. This is my first purchase of a pair of "real" HiFi headphones that I had been waiting to pull for a while now since I waiting for what seemed to be the right combination of comfort, quality, aesthetics, and the ability to be a great pair of gaming headphones while also be able to pull its own weight when it comes to music too. Since I'm just getting into this, I didn't but the balanced cable they were promoting along with it. However, I would love to see more DAC/AMP videos, maybe even using these headphones, where you breakdown more options when it comes to DACs, AMPs, balanced cables, what to look for in each, and how they all come together. Keep up the great work and I can't wait to see what you put out next!

[@chickenpasta7359]

I'm glad you called out the 6XX. It was my first entry into the audiophile headphone world and honestly once you try other headphones you just realize how boring they are. No soundstage (especially for open back), weird muddy veil, terrible clamping force, overall boring listening experience. I really wish people would stop recommending them.

[@steveshin820]

6XX and the other 600 series really need a good amp to bring them to life, the difference between listening to them with a balanced output and single ended output is night and day. Just putting this out there in case you've only ever used the stock cable on them or something.

[@ビラノチャド]

Sir, I love your reviews, lively without being obnoxious. Though I can't even order these headphones due to my location.

[@LyK0sa]

Welcome to the cult of the R70x, Brian. Seriously, I waited years before picking up a pair (the original, not the refine) and they became an instant favourite in my excessive headphone collection. I'd love to get my hands on some of the new pads found on the refine, the biggest complaint is how small the original pads are. They don't personally cause me any discomfort, but I'd never turn down a roomier pad if it can maintain a similar tuning.

[@profosist]

heads up the pad is thicker but there is also less room internally by at least 5mm so I dont think youll get that roomier feel

[@TheRealAstro_]

You could look at getting a replacement pad from Brainwavz. Its not specifically made for the r70x but it does fit, and its way roomier and more comfortable (imo)

[@succycharms5081]

i lucked my way into a set of ath-ad700x at goodwill a few months back for about 12 dollars, with some (cheap) aftermarket cups, and theyve fully replaced my dt-770s as my daily driver headphones. the way they sit on your head , plus the breathability of them being open back and how light they are makes me forget im wearing them, and these look like an upgrade to even that.

[@Ziyoblader]

You're rocking that beard it complements your head and your physical look well done

[@badseedtech]

Thanks man, appreciate you!

[@Pyroja]

Really curious how these compare to the Fidelio X2HRs, since your enthusiastic review of those helped sell me on them years ago. Still rockin' them to this day!

[@badseedtech]

In a nutshell, lighter, more comfortable, more open, larger soundstage, similar warm sound profile but I think better detail here than the X2HR. Really glad you've been happy with them all this time!

[@jchambo86]

Would these pair well with the FiiO K11 R2R?

[@JOJOSSTAR1]

I'm loving my R70x Refine. I also love the 6XX personally for how good they do Mids. For me they sound really different than the Refine. On the other hand, my Sundara I don't like at all. I really tried hard to like them. Gave them many chances. I just regrets my purchase at this point. Anyway I really enjoyed your measurements and how similar they are frequency response--wise. I used to rely on graph like this a lot. But now not so much as this proves it doesn't mean much. It is useful for knowing a headphone general tuning. But not as a comparison tool the way I was using it. Cheers,

[@TheThinkMatt]

For primarily PC gaming would you take this R70x with the ModMic or the Audeze Maxwell?

[@profosist]

thats more about whether you want to be tethered or not.

[@Mr.Manson]

They'll most likely last way longer and are more comfortable.

[@ComboSlicer]

Open back wired vs wireless closed cans, comes down to preference really

[@TheRealAstro_]

If you can get the r70x on discount and don't mind the cable then I'd say its quite a bit better than the Maxwell. It'll also last longer and (imo) is more comfortable. Do realize that the r70x is made for people with smaller ears

[@jasonpitsch1152]

I own both and the Maxwell will be much less comfortable if that matters. Open/closed, dynamic vs planar they sound different and pure sound I’d say Maxwells sound more detailed but in a vacuum you probably wouldn’t be able to notice.

[@SubdueOG]

Already have the Schiit Gunnr, just waiting on my R70x Refines to get shipped soon 🤞🏻. Currently have PC38x and was glad to hear the mic differences since I grabbed a ModMic as well. Curious to hear your thoughts specifically around gaming between the two, if it’s a worthy upgrade or more of a nice to have, I’m sure I’ll be happy either way though.

[@bluewolf0595]

How do you compare them the the HD600's? Just curious if you'd think they'd be an upgrade. Mostly use them for gaming, but also listening to music.

[@AntlionAudio]

Big thanks to Badseed for including the ModMic in this review. If anyone has any direct questions about Antlion or our products just reply here and we'll respond.

[@profosist]

Love mine they needed a bit of massage to the headband to make them bigger head friendly then you can get the bottom of the pad to close the gap at the bottom of the ear.

[@MagashiSaizen]

I would love to get these but I would have to invest on an AMP and probably a mic down the line and that just blows over the reasonable budget for me, specially when I'm still saving to upgrade my GPU.

[@user-vsmsdos]

Bought These after the right channel went out on my ATH-M50S/LE after 13 years of hard abuse. didn't realize I'd be waiting 6 months to get them but I'll be gladly wait for these! Whar sucks is only having one channel while I wait 😂

[@mbk337]

Love The Beths callout. These things aren't in my budget, but they truly sound like something I should work toward. Too bad they are limited to 1000 of these.

[@badseedtech]

The Beths are so damn good. Seen them live twice - once in Seattle and then later on the same tour in Boston. Love them.

[@mbk337]

@@badseedtech I haven't seen them in person, but have watched their Tiny Desk and KEXP videos. It is actually incredible they sound so similar to their albums.

[@mbk337]

@@badseedtech I also, just noticed you said Seattle and Boston... That's amazing you hit both sides of the country for them.

[@catnaptv_plushshow]

I have had my hart audio cables for about 6 years and I’ve had four cables and I’ve only had one fail 2 years in for the BEYERDYNAMIC DT 177X GO.

[@Wakaboo14]

The Beth's Expert in a Dying Field is such a good song, deffo one of their best albums! I've always been interested in the original pair of headphones, since they get recommended often for games.

[@DJNathanV]

I've been very happy with my 6XX except the soundstaging.. if these are similar but open that up I'm in. Ordered.

[@AT-vj2mz]

Hi BadSeed, could you have a look at the Noble Audio Apollo if you get a chance? I think it's a contender

[@YurttheSilentChief1]

I don't know why, but the first B-roll side shot of you rocking the headphones is kind of badass in a way. Almost channel logo worthy if it was redrawn and stylized.

[@olternaut]

What would you recommend for a closed back audiophile headphones that's comparable to the R70x?

[@jorr1313]

I would love to hear that playlist you use to test! I’m always looking for new music to flex my headphones’ muscles.

[@Sinsanatis]

well dam brian. wasnt expecting that rick roll. but i decided to pull the trigger on these and wondering if the stock cable is really that bad. all i know is that my current fulla schiit most likely isnt going to provide enough power. only thing now is deciding on the gunnr or the magni unity.

[@yevgeny3985]

if I already have hd6xx and want to upgrade, will this one be the best option?

[@graelstream2353]

Subscribed! New to the audio stuff, recently got my hands on this beauty. It's my first real good headphones coming from the skull candy crusher. I'm still waiting for the Schiit hel+ that my brother bought for me as a gift and now I'm thinking of getting the FiiO k11 r2r. Thank you for making informative vids like this!

[@jammies701]

Nice vid mate

[@BC_CARS]

I daily the Focal Elex after upgrading from the Sundaras. These worth picking up?

[@MrZattack101]

My Hart audio cable came with 2 "L" labels instead of 1 R and 1 R. I prob could have asked for another but i didnt want to wait. Also the paint chipped after a year, which I guess is normal. But for IEMS they have way too much microphonics. And I don't like how the cable split block is metal because it's really cold in the winter.

[@wahidtafsir33]

can you Plz review FIio FT5 And Fiio FT3 also the aune ar 5000 im looking at the for gaming ?

[@pc750-V4]

The only difference that will effect the sound to the standard R70x is the pads. The standard R70x are a marvellous headphone and I would like to try these pads on my R70x just to see tbe difference.

[@houssamalucad753]

Could you please review the HermonicDyne Zeus elite? They are around the same price as these and some people say they are the best at this pricerange

[@TreSwayy]

Zeus elites way better

[@houssamalucad753]

@@TreSwayy have you tried both?

[@houssamalucad753]

@@TreSwayy and what do you mean by "better"? More fun? More detailed?

[@TreSwayy]

@@houssamalucad753 more fun. More immersive. I had the original r70x, they’re just neutral and just not that enjoyable to listen to. The zeus elites are more atmospheric,

[@TreSwayy]

@@houssamalucad753 more enjoyable sound signature because of elevated bass but not too much. The r70x sound just “sterile”, the bass isn’t that great, the mids are pretty good. But just lacks detail or treble sparkle.

[@nikolaimcfly]

Bro i been waiting for this

[@wilkers46]

I picked this up off of your recommendation and I am thrilled to get my hands on it. I am also thinking about finally upgrading my gen 1 atom amp to go along with it, do you have any suggestions around the $200-300 mark? Was looking maybe at the Fiio r11 R2R, but didnt know if it had enough power. Great video as always!

[@Reyas]

Wishlist: wireless version, better replacement earpad desiign (think Maxwell), metal construction around the swivel areas to prevent the parts inside breaking.

[@G82Watts]

Are these better for gaming then the mmx 330 pro?

[@gigolocalypsetv5520]

Own the OG of these and it's awesome for gaming. I hope I can get those pads for my model since the stock pads are the only issue I have for them.

[@north08]

My Hart cables have been rock solid .. swap frequently between the 4.4 and 3/4” for nearly 3 years now

[@badseedtech]

That’s really good to hear. Was bummed out recently when a couple people in my discord picked them up on my recommendation and had issues w them.

[@north08]

@@badseedtech I can see if someone is not careful when swapping connectors, issues can arise. Push too hard when they’re not aligned *could* bend a pin I guess. I assume they’re good enough that Dekoni has now copied the design 😉

[@Phillz91]

I have been running the ATH-AD500x's for years as daily drivers and they are really good for even entry level. The winglet design makes them super comfy, though after a while the spring tension became weaker causing them to droop a bit. Too bad they don't offer these in Aus or in a reasonable quantity

[@ToysForTheGods]

I have 7 Heart audio cables, and I have owned them for over 4 years, they get tortured on a daily while headphone swapping. I have nearly all of their connectors as well, from the Sennhieser ends, the dual 3.5, mini midi, looking at my wall to try to list them all here. Out of all of these cables only 1 of them is showing any wear. It would be easy to fix, but it appears that the connector maybe has the threads glued, either that or he has great tools that put them together crazy tight. But I have always been super happy with my cables.

[@badseedtech]

That's great to hear actually. Was pretty bummed when a couple buddies bought them recently on my reco and had issues with the the paracord fraying and pulling away from the connectors.

[@zack9692]

Currently have the Sennheiser HD 58x and I've been looking at getting the hifiman edition XS. At the current prices, should I get these or the XS?

[@kendil22]

Sounds like it's closest competitor might be the Aune ar5000. Wonder how they stack up.

[@phlask1]

Joshua valour compared the two in his best headphones under $300

[@kendil22]

@@phlask1 Thanks I just found that video, your response popped up when I clicked on it lol. I have Hifiman Edition XS that I love sound wise, not so much on comfort though.

[@phlask1]

@@kendil22 yeah the edition xs was a strong contender for me. The one thing that drew me away was the potential for discomfort.

[@kendil22]

@@phlask1 I don't have a small head and they are always shifting around. If you hit the sweet spot it's great as your ears won't touch anything... but then it being loose causes it to shift and it's suddenly uncomfortable. I won't get rid of them, but they'll be relegated to pure music listening. Not hours of gaming.

[@phlask1]

@@kendil22 yeah I got the R70x Refine and can completely vouch for it's comfort

[@ssmith3617]

After watching this I had to go and email them to see which batch I'm in and when to expect shipping. I'm supposed to get the Piety amp tomorrow and I'm very excited for both

[@badseedtech]

Piety is incredible. What a combo - you chose SO wisely

[@gersonnoh9342]

Is it worth switches from my arctis nova pro to these any help please ?

[@Bennyblades44]

Heck yeah audio technica so underrated. No joke the adg1x is the best sounding gaming headset ever made. The front to back soundstage is just insane.

[@kamsole]

Would the zendac v2 power these or should I get another dac/amp?

[@TWidXugA]

Great review, and looks like a very tempting proposition. I noticed that the backside of the pads does seem to be of the type of paper thin pleather material that will flake out after a few months, and it didn't seem flush with the back of the cup even in this videos' footage. Hope spares (or alternatives) are easy to come by.

[@badseedtech]

They are pretty thin but the reason they look offset in the video is that the frame of the cup is a wedge in the back for a slight angle. With any luck, AT will put this pad in production since they designed and manu’d these new pads, not Apos

[@TWidXugA]

@@badseedtech Thanks for clarifying.

[@theexpatgunner]

@@badseedtech that would be awesome as I’m in Europe I can only order the OG R70X and would certainly like the opportunity to get the Refine pads.

[@bwloawesome]

Damn it, bro. That Stove Top joke had me spitting my drink!

[@benito324]

Is there a big difference in the cheap cable to the Magia cable?

[@badseedtech]

Between the stock and a *balanced* cable, yes - if your amp supports balanced. I’m not convinced that the minimal (if any) difference in audio is worth the price of big, expensive cables

[@alexp3577]

How does it compare to Sennheiser HD490Pro?

[@Skitozzz]

Hey, I was wondering to get some recommendations for some headphones. I've heard about the Dt 900 pro x, but I'm not completely sold on it, so I was wondering for any other recommendations for something similar. For anyone wondering, I do play games, but pretty causally regularly listen to music.

[@giff74]

I have a wookie sized head and just enjoy the comfort of most Beyerdynamic headphones and as a bonus the pads don't clip my ears. My wife doesn't want to hear my gaming and I don't want to hear the kids LOL, so Brian when will we see the Beyerdynamic X BadSeed Tech closed back headphones coming out? Kinda V shaped for music, but glorious details and direction for gaming would be nice. Keep up the awesome work!

[@Ziyoblader]

I was quite shocked to see Audio-Technica pop up and especially compared to the other two I might have to pick one of these up for one of my portable PC rigs the sound card I have Azuntec forte does have an amp to drive 300 ohm's hopefully that'll be enough

[@calvinyip364]

Pls review Fiio ft1

[@gregm1855]

I have the Sennheiser HD 490 PRO Plus. Would these be a good upgrade ? I mostly use my headphones for gaming and music.

[@jasonemanuel9070]

Welcome to the rabbit hole

[@Chachachudry]

Really excited after the IGN review and usage for gaming!

[@MyouKyuubi]

i prefer the aggressive oomph of planars, but i do wish the sundara had that sound profile. : /

[@heyguyslolGAMING]

Great review!!! I'm going to assume that due to these being open back that the audio bleed into the mic isn't an issue? Most of my open backs are fine but I do have a couple that I just can't use bc the audio bleeds back into the mic. I imagine you're able to enjoy wearing these for longer sessions than those LCD-X can's, thx Josh, lol... You need a neck like Brock Lesnar to wear those things...

[@budthecyborg4575]

2:18 The industry really should standardize on 60mm ID earcups.

[@xenogears4398]

Really want one but they won't ship to Puerto Rico 😔

[@GlennaciousC]

Great review as always. Kind of off topic but what mice are in your current rotation? Saw a few in some of the cuts during the video.

[@badseedtech]

Thanks man! Maining the Viper v3 Pro for sure. Occasionally on the WLMouse BeastX Max, Zowie U2, and Pulsar X2H eS

[@drta1688]

So quick question for you guys, I currently have a 1990 Pro, 770x Go, and Edition XS. Would it be worth it for me to get this to add to my line up. Im saving up some money to buy an Arya stealth rn but the price point on this one is very appealing. I def prefer the sound profile of the 1990 pros rn and im just lookin around to find something that i can swap with the 1990 pros so that i dont wear them down as quickly as I currently am.

[@TreSwayy]

Nope. Had the, r70x. They’re boring and neutral. Not exciting to listen to. Some what spacious soundstage good imaging but but not an interesting sound to listen to.

[@Vespene]

they.. they're beyerdynamics. you're not going to wear them down. worry moreso about hifiman qc.

[@DrewAllen-o5x]

Real bummer finding this video a month later..

[@warrenb649]

Will this headphone work with the Schitt Hel+?

[@MyouKyuubi]

it will work off of a phone, don't worry.. an amp without a separate power supply, has the same power output as the music source does, which in this case, is the PC. :P

[@samuelyeung03]

I own this headphones, it's fantastic

[@xRubes]

Brian, you probably get pestered with a lot of headphone review requests already, but I’m curious if you’ve ever thought of giving your thoughts on the Sennheiser HD 490 Pro, especially when it comes to gaming. Maybe doesn’t even have to be a full length vid and just a short? I trust your reviews of headsets and wanted to know how it ranks with other cans you’ve tried out.

[@badseedtech]

Its on the list for sure bc I’ve had more requests for that one that anything else recently. Will definitely have some info up in time for holiday sales.

[@TreSwayy]

They’re pretty ok. Didn’t blow me away though. Sold them

[@Artamon8371]

So I'll ask the stupid question.. I game a lot and mostly listen to movies and EDM.... If I got these headphones and something like the Schiit gunnr, are we saying that this blows away something like the Audeze Maxwells that Badseed loved last year? Would I really need a DAC like the Gunnr for the R70x for it to sound as good or better than the maxwells?

[@mhm35]

The Maxwells are closed back right? If so, diff experience. I bought mine for gaming and music listening during work. I listen to nearly every genre including some EDM here and there. They’re outstanding. They instantly became my favorite headphones (out of the six or so I had). The soundstage makes directionality so easy for gaming. That said, while I don’t have the Maxwells, I’ve read they’re great. If you want isolation, closed back will always meet that need for you more. I purchased a Fiio K11 DAC / Amplifier and ultimately returned it. My motherboard audio was sufficient for me to enjoy this headphone. I may circle back when I’m willing to spend more than $250 on DAC / Amp, but everything from my PC to my iPhone can get these cans plenty loud without any distortion my ears can pick up.

[@Artamon8371]

@@mhm35 Thank you so much. Love your feedback and it's much appreciated. Good to know they sound fantastic by themself. I thought my motherboard (MSI Carbon z690) had a decent enough amp on there for most headphones so it's good to know I don't need to buy a separate DAC initially for a good experience.

[@mhm35]

@@Artamon8371 at the end of the day it’s gonna depend on how the PC was built. I was fortunate that my MAINGEAR purchase did good isolation of each component so I’m not getting feedback over any of my AUX ports. But it runs a basic MSi Pro VDH-WiFi B550M board. Certainly not known to be a high end component. 😂 But it’s been great for me. I may circle back if I’m willing to spend $200-$500 on DAC / amplifier combo, but you definitely don’t need to get sucked into the bottomless hole that is audio equipment. I’m wearing these rn plugged into my iPhone, and besides being annoyed by a 6.5’ cable dangling from me, it’s fantastic.

[@badseedtech]

If you listen to a lot of EDM, stick wit the Maxwells. Closed back is always better for EDM bc you're gonna have more bass - and sub-bass. Which is where all the action is on EDM. Movies also to a lesser extent. If you have the Maxwells, enjoy them.

[@mhm35]

@@Artamon8371 I guess badseedtech and I disagree but all good! Everyone enjoys their music differently. I’ve had nothing but open backs but enjoy these more than any I’ve had before for all my music. My PC has a MSi Pro VDH WiFi board. It def isn’t known for good audio but it’s good enough for me listening to Spotify. Regardless of whether you go Maxwell or these, try your existing setup first before you go buy more.

[@RyanWiggan]

Nice video, So these or your arya organics for you?

[@sephondranzer]

Thank goodness a review I could trust on this. I really hate the creator space for this hobby for the most part man. Thanks for being aight

[@darraghchristie9558]

A shame that they're not available outside of North America.

[@doomdimensiondweller5627]

great video

[@Jaypher]

Pierce the Veil!

[@Farengast]

It's worth mentioning to everyone here that headphones don't benefit at all from balanced differential output. They have no independent ground so their current is always balanced between the driver and the amp. Balanced amps also have more distortion since you double your amplifier distortion and introduce new modes of distortion like ground imbalance between the two amps. You do get more power since you use two amps, but you'll always be better off with a single high quality and powerful amp without differential output. Most manufacturers know this but make differential headphones amps anyway because audiophiles don't know what they're talking about and insist on having stupid products with more boxes checked. Outliers like JDS labs and Benchmark don't make differential headphone amps and try to educate their customers about why it's counterproductive.

[@badseedtech]

Good stuff. I have yet to hear anyone on the internet accurately explain what the point even is of running balanced. I'll have to get with the guys at JDS and see if we can put together a little video on the topic.

[@Farengast]

@@badseedtech It's the same old story with everything in the audiophile world. Recording studios use a certain thing for a specific reason that is important to what they do and not at all important to what a listener does and audiophiles assume they do it because "it's better" and then they demand it in products for no reason and companies oblige so they can sell products and then eventually one run-on sentence later well meaning consumers don't actually have any idea anymore because there's so many products proclaiming XYZ to appease people who never knew anything about it in the first place. Balanced headphone outs, high frequency and high bit depth files, jitter, etc. etc. Also worth noting that studio heaphone equipment is NEVER balanced differential. Studios use the old timey 6.3 jack for a reason. P.S. I would love to see a collab video with JDS labs about exactly this!

[@HayabusaH]

Damn you lookin huge ❤️

[@Chozo_Ghost]

The last time you were this enthusiastic about a set of cans (Philips X2HR Fidelio), I immediately went out and bought it. Still use it to this day! ...I have a feeling the same is going to happen to me with these now. 😅 Only thing is I'm not entirely sure if my Dac/Amp (FiiO K5 Pro) would be able to run it 🤔

[@zellfk]

Just a heads up, got the original ATH-R70X and using the FiiO K5 Pro on mid gain I get good listening levels at around 9 o'clock so it should be fine with the refine version (as they both have the same 470Ω impedance)

[@Chozo_Ghost]

@@zellfk Sweet, thanks! I was also thinking of getting that Magia cable and seeing how much potentially better that could make it. If I'm dropping $300 on a set of cans, what's another half a wallet for a fancy cable to go with it? :P

[@Clutch4IceCream]

Oohhhh a possible contender to sit next to my DT1990 Pros? Maybe? Possibly?

[@flame.8308]

okay I have the r70x refines already since I bought them back at launch and I own a T1 Gen 2 which is very similar to the 1990s. If you want a more relaxed tune and better tonality and comfort then the r70x refine are for you. But the 1990/T1 have better detail, soundstage imo, faster bass (less bass than r70x R), and beyerdynamic parts like pads and headbands are easy to get compared to the r70s where you can't buy the pads

[@Xaero_ZRX-33]

​@@flame.8308thank you ❤ I'll get the dt 1990 pro

[@Tai-y1d]

can you check out and do a review of the aune ar5000 please❤

[@vucanes]

That execution and your facial reaction lmao.

[@Mihke]

i recently got a replacement line hart cable, for lack of a better description it just feels limp dick. not at all impressed with it, even at $55 or whatever it was that i paid.

[@williamfowler6610]

Do you guys thinks im better with the audeze maxwell ?

[@badseedtech]

Maxwell is better *only* if you need wireless and you prefer closed back. If you're content with a wired setup and open back - this combo is better imo

[@Vashtiian]

Any chance you can recommend an AMP that can power 250 ohms?

[@sephondranzer]

That’s not enough information, you also need the sensitivity values of the cans. Most cans at that rating have reasonable power requirements but I can’t say for sure.

[@mistersurrealist]

Oh puhh-lease, the HD6XX are great headphones, just use a bit of EQ. Smooth as butter and super natural and detailed. If you think they're muffled, you need to get your ears checked and/or properly cleaned. These were Sennheiser's top of the line cans until 2009 for a reason.

[@Tyler-zy9rl]

Heyyo what EQ settings do you use to make the 6xx sound so good?

[@mhm35]

They’re both great!

[@ryandoyle6404]

490pro vs r70x refine?

[@theexpatgunner]

R70X from what I’ve heard!

[@TheJiminatorHS]

I was just looking for a new headphone, preferably open back because my ears have been chaffing.

[@-baluta3087]

Sorry if it's not related to the video but what do you think of all the "pay to win" audio issue in Black Ops 6? Last Call Of Duty I played were Modern warfare 1 and the audio to me feels way worse... Wanted to hear your opinion as a Cod player and audio tech KZbinr

[@ssmith3617]

Stove Top Stuffing link is top tier hahahaha

[@advancegeo2986]

the only thing lighter i can think of are the sony mdr1am2s coming in at a crazy 187 grams

[@3choblast3r4]

Well that sucks D&B. Why would you make a limited amount and only ship to 2 fn countries. I mean, at least try to do a "this is a limited run and if it's popular we're bringing out more" .. I got a little excited I might get a new headset for black friday