The Apostle John and the Johannine Community

[@EvanGrambas]

Yet another well-researched and thorough examination of early Christianity

[@olsenduran1019]

I found a gem on youtube. Thanks for the work you put in ur videos. Praise be the Lord

[@UPalooza]

You view this and conclude there's a divine plan? I look at this an think a perfect being can't even hand off a consistent message to his apostles, including Jews. God is a disaster. God and Jesus spend the bible having snits. No thank you. The bible is nonsense.

[@ianhyde2761]

@@UPalooza That certainly can be your estimation. Personally, I think it makes sense for God to use human agency, human minds, and even forms of literary transmission which transcend culture (i.e. mythic poetry, apocalypse, gospel, etc.) to communicate the message of grace and reconciliation to humankind. This naturally means that the messiness of humanity shows up in the transmission of this message. In a way, it's fitting that - if one believes Jesus is fully divine and fully human - the message which transmits this truth would also be fully divine and fully human. Now, from a scholarly perspective, I do not agree with all of the lecturer's theories and conclusions (I admittedly take a much more traditionalist view), but I still think a person take a critical eye toward the development and transmission of Scripture and still believe that a loving God is behind it.

[@FinalFantasy8911debater]

@@UPalooza The bible IS INDEED nonsense and fiction. Even the bible itself in genesis has god himself admitting that he made a mistake in making humans. It says that god repents over making mankind, thats basically god saying he did something wrong, he made a mistake. A perfect being doesn't make mistakes.

[@n07h1ng15r]

Thank you so much for this presentation. I've always been fascinated with the Gospel of John. It's so deep and beautifully written. I hope to understand it one day. I appreciate the opportunity to learn more about the historical figures associated with John. I'll watch this several times in hopes of getting a good grasp of it.

[@eudora3205]

Excellent presentation..both in depth of knowledge , presentation and engagement!!!

[@badhrulislam3008]

Some wonderful lectures: I particularly like these on the individual perspectives of the gospel writers. The recent one on the Didache was a treat also.

[@alanpennie8013]

It's a really new idea that the ending of Mark is so weird because he was ostentatiously ignoring all the reported appearances of The Risen Christ.

[@wolfumz]

Such a wonderful lecture

[@garymensurati1631]

Im here a year late, but what a wonderful lecture. Thank you so very much John !

[@nathanaelsmith3553]

That's a lot of Johns. Apostle wise I'm also intrigued by the accounts of Thomas going to India and the possibilty that Jesus might also have travelled to East in his lifetime. I'm aware of legends about him having done so and its fascinating to think about people in the ancient world traveling such long distances.

[@andrewsuryali8540]

The earliest accounts actually said Thomas and the RESURRECTED Jesus went to India, so not exactly in his lifetime.

[@VSP4591]

@@andrewsuryali8540 They went in 2000 when the End of the Universe supposed to take place.

[@nathanaelsmith3553]

@@andrewsuryali8540 unless he survived the crucification or went during his 'missing years'

[@nash984954]

Human waste ends up in Johns, not a coincidence for religion from xianity, derived from real things like the actual Sun, and 12 constellations, not actually s being people, but stars formations. lotsa myth at work.

[@ObjectiveEthics]

Since the concept of monotheism, heaven and hell, angels and demons all come from Zoroastrianism it is likely that the Jews who became Mesianic Jews and eventually Christians were at least influenced by Eastern theology. Whether they traveled east to India or Asia or some of the Eastern borne immigrants (possibly traders or merchants even) traveled to Mesopotamia are both likely.

[@whitetitan5988]

Hello John. I love your lectures and it has really brought to light what the NT is and what it looks like from a historical/realistic perspective. Would you be able to make another video as to how(and the evidence concerning) the visions of the risen Christ is retrojected into the gospel? I do believe you when you say it but having more explicit evidence would be very helpful; and how you come to those conclusions

[@TimKylie]

Yes, the idea seems somewhat speculative as expressed here (and in some of the other lectures).

[@garymensurati1631]

​@@TimKylieyes, much is speculation, but John does an awesome job tying it all together.

[@gwdexter]

Just a note that at 13:40 you have Moses and Elijah labeled backwards. In the orthodox iconographic tradition, Elijah is always the old man who looks like he’s been living in a cave. Moses is the one holding the tablets of the law. - Also I don’t think you made it totally explicit that the figures of Moses and Elijah came to be seen as representing the Torah (Moses) and the Nevi’im (Elijah), bowing before the new and greater Scripture, the completion of the Law and the fulfillment of the Prophets….

[@nash984954]

John H doing a lecture on JOHNS??? Dig it.

[@robmurray33]

What a terrific lecture. Thank you for sharing. I look forward to the next one.

[@dalkri5546]

Don't forget that by comparing John to Ganymede they are equating Jesus with Zeus signifying that Jesus is God.

[@Eric777-71]

The Rock is what Peter said, not Peter himself, great job, keep up the good work 🙏

[@digitaurus]

Great lecture as always. Thank you. Paul’s eyewitness testimony and Josephus’s independent account make clear that Jesus’s brother James was one of the three pillars of the first christian community. Mark’s invocation of a different James as a pillar in Jesus’s lifetime seems to reflect a need to dissociate the christian church from Jesus’s family rather than a historical fact. James is always a brother - but at some point in the development of Mark’s text he becomes John’s brother not Jesus’s.

[@Axer01250]

Indeed, this is true. Even the apostolic fathers attest to as much. That is until the polemics changed with the dogma claiming the perpetual virginity of Mary. All sorts of dissociations begin to develop at that point. Along with the need to dissociate from family, there was fast becoming a need to separate the church and Jesus from Judaism. Unfortunately, James the Just, brother of Jesus, being the leader of the Jerusalem church, "gets written off."

[@avg8or]

Y’all mean Jacob?

[@HistoryandReviews]

Paul’s not an eyewitness and Josephus never wrote about Jesus

[@ObjectiveEthics]

​@@HistoryandReviews According to what source? All of the external sources that I have seen thus far do not question Jesus historicity nor Paul's. What source do you know that does? I would be curious to know as I study theology from a historical point of view and not thru any particular religious lense.

[@here_we_go_again2571]

@ digitaurus (1st comment to digitaurus) They were two different people; that doesn't seem odd to me, people who are unrelated often have the same names. James the Just (sometimes called James the Lesser) was the biological brother (or half- brother?) of Jesus. He was not one of the apostles. He was probably home, taking care of his mother (step-mother?) and family. The Bible does not indicate that Mary, the mother of Jesus was traveling around the countryside, all of the time with Jesus. By the time Jesus started his ministry; she would have been in her 40's (old for a woman in that era) Mary is mentioned being in Jerusalem for the Passover commemoration, at the time of his crucifixion; as it was a pilgrimage occasion for Jews. James the apostle (sometimes called James the Greater) who was the brother of John. Neither James the apostle or John the apostle/evangelist are noted as being older men or married men. Peter is the only disciple that is noted as being married.

[@LanceLovett]

Thank you for the lectures. Chapter times would be great if you are taking suggestions. I have to keep rewinding after interruptions and I always go too far. Small price to pay but I thought I would ask. Thank you again.

[@elnegrohotep]

This was a good lecture

[@ferencercseyravasz7301]

The way the different apostles are represented in iconography has usually to do with the way they died, or with some particularity they had according to tradition. Andrew is shown with long and unkempt hair because he was initially a follower of John the Baptist, and it was assumed that that's how those folks looked like. Thomas is shown holding a declaration of faith in his hands. Bartholomew is often showed holding a knife, or his own skin because he was flayed alive. James the brother of Jesus is often holding a club because he was thrown from the roof of the Temple and then beaten to death with clubs - at least according to Clement of Alexandria and so on...

[@andrewsuryali8540]

My favorite one is that Paul is always bald because that's "common knowledge" in early Christianity.

[@alanpennie8013]

@@andrewsuryali8540 Descendant of Elisha (possibly).

[@brucewick8121]

James I was a published scholar (and theologian) in his own right, and he seemed to believe John; the youngest of The Twelve, to be the "Disciple Jesus loved."

[@larrypullum9410]

The winged faces of a man, Lion, ox, and eagle are those on the four living creatures, as well, of Ezekiel 1; and with man and Lion on right side, as symbolic of the historical alternation of Monarchy and Democracy, as I see it, which comes with every New World, while the ox represents the working classes on the left, and as they are finished with the eagle as such new Nations and Universal Empires like Rome before, or the US today.

[@williambrewer]

39:00 not only Mark has that story Mar 3;31-35 KJV 31 There came then his brethren and his mother, and, standing without, sent unto him, calling him. 32 And the multitude sat about him, and they said unto him, Behold, thy mother and thy brethren without seek for thee. 33 And he answered them, saying, Who is my mother, or my brethren? 34 And he looked round about on them which sat about him, and said, Behold my mother and my brethren! 35 For whosoever shall do the will of God, the same is my brother, and my sister, and mother. But Luke and Matthew also have it. Luk 8;19-21 KJV 19 Then came to him his mother and his brethren, and could not come at him for the press. 20 And it was told him by certain which said, Thy mother and thy brethren stand without, desiring to see thee. 21 And he answered and said unto them, My mother and my brethren are these which hear the word of God, and do it. Mat 12;46-50 KJV 46 While he yet talked to the people, behold, his mother and his brethren stood without, desiring to speak with him. 47 Then one said unto him, Behold, thy mother and thy brethren stand without, desiring to speak with thee. 48 But he answered and said unto him that told him, Who is my mother? and who are my brethren? 49 And he stretched forth his hand toward his disciples, and said, Behold my mother and my brethren! 50 For whosoever shall do the will of my Father which is in heaven, the same is my brother, and sister, and mother. And John also speaks about his brethren not believing him initially. Joh 7;5 KJV For neither did his brethren believe in him..

[@Axer01250]

He didn't say it was only in Mark. But that each author wrote the story independently of the other. Without literary dependence. This adds credence to the veracity of the story.

[@mikeainsworth9861]

@@Axer01250Actually what the presenter said was “they were written with an independent coherence even though there was in some cases literary dependence.” Mark, Matthew, and Luke each have their own independent points of view, but Mark is the oldest gospel and both Matthew and then Luke copied passages from it verbatim in writing their texts. 97% of Mark is found in at least one of the other two synoptic gospels. They are not completely independent works as Biblical scholars have known for decades. This is known in scholarship as the Synoptic Problem.

[@peterhook2258]

Obviously my friend, you are using the true priesthood correctly to spread truth upon the earth. Thank you. Now, if we can only get some of those who have other gifts to help you, Mormonism can really make a difference. Peace.

[@Beatlezz]

Thanks for your insights and teachings. I love John and his writings. I was also greatly blessed by the book Patmos, by David Stoeckl, a Biblical Novel of St. John on Patmos where he received the Book of Revelation. The novel goes way past just Revelation, including miracles John performed on Patmos, the first who were baptized into this newly formed church, and John's ministry, even as a prisoner of Rome.

[@jukker95]

loved the lecture, love the shirt!

[@rickypalacios1554]

I learn a lot about icongoraphy

[@craigfairweather3401]

The identification of John Mark with the Beloved Disciple also makes sense because this John has a home in Jerusalem and Mary ther mother of Jesus was taken into his home, and Mary stayed on in Jerusalem. This explains how the Beloved Disciple could be at the crucifixion : because the authorities did not know he was a ‘follower’ and he was not one of the recognisable 12 disciples.

[@jebbrown6638]

Thanks!

[@centre-place]

Thank you for supporting the channel!

[@jonjohnson445]

2:22 Peter Maivia is the father in law of Rocky Johnson(father of Dwayne The Rock Johnson. Silvester Stallone portrayed Rocky Balboa and also John Rambo.

[@exoplanet11]

Great talk. I miss the "outro" music.

[@ncarmstron]

The other popular girl’s name in 1970 was Heather, hence the 1988 movie. But I digress.

[@williambrewer]

1:08:12 this is not an apologetical answer to a failed apocalyptic prophecy. This is John merely stating that Jesus had not promised he would live until his return. However, in other passages, Jesus clearly stated that there would be some alive who would remain till his coming. None of these promises were disappointed as Christ came as promised c.70 AD at the destruction of Babylon (code name for Jerusalem).

[@Axer01250]

Agreed, however he said "Apparently", or "so it seemed." Because congregants of the Johanine community "thought" there was a promise that the John would not die until His "coming". But we know he did die.. Is this a failed apocalyptic prophesy? How can this be? "Jesus said" he would not die until His return. (But John died before his return.) Therefore, an apologetic answer must be provided as to why the assumed promise/prophecy was not met if Jesus said it. However, we have been given the apologetic response and clarification: And Jesus did NOT say to him: He should not die; He only said, 'If I want him to remain alive until I return, what is that to you?'

[@williambrewer]

@@Axer01250 That's possible. Personal, I believe John did not die.

[@Axer01250]

@William Brewer That too is quite possible. The question is open ended. What have I to do with it if He chooses as such?

[@HistoryandReviews]

No he did not.

[@williambrewer]

39:14 The word James is the same as the word Jacob. It would have been a very common name as they had a great pride in their patriarch Jacob.

[@simritnam612]

@53:00, "didn't like" or "didn't write" ?

[@winstonbarquez9538]

Love, light and life are the common themes in the Johannine literature.

[@smokydragonblog]

John was the favorite no doubt

[@GodlessCommie]

I was hoping to here more about how Polycarp was allegedly a student of the apostle John. Still loved it nonetheless the less

[@willempasterkamp862]

Paul is the same as Andrew the elder, James the Just ( the 2 andrews are both nicknamed james, ja'acov thus James the lesser is Andrew the lesser). Paul is Nathanael (mathan, matthias the 13 th apostle, matthew), Agabus , Klopas, Heli (elias, Elymas) and Zebedeus. John (Junias) and James (Andronikos) are 2 of his sons .

[@keleniengaluafe2600]

❤❤❤❤

[@marymagnuson5191]

Learning much about ancient eastern civilizations - lots of Old Testament prophecies can be sourced to much more ancient Sumerian stories- and copied and adopted by the Jews. Moses in a basket in a river is also a story in the Book of Sumatran Kings. Also story of Three kings visiting baby Jesus - was prophecy that a star would identify The birth of God. Did not have to be in Israel.

[@saammahakala]

He was Jacob in a prior life, hence the visions.

[@jasondonovan-oo3dx]

John wrote the Gospel of John AND Revelation. The fact that the Gospel and The Revelation are written in 2 different types of Greek only proves How long John was in exile. He would have wrote in the current vernacular not the past.

[@GettinJiggyWithGenghis]

I kinda doubt this, old people use their slang, their vernacular, even in little chunks, I feel like we'd have seen it

[@carlosp.6784]

But he *doesn’t* write in the vernacular-the Gospel of John is written in very formal, highly-educated Greek, whereas Revelation is clearly written by someone who can barely speak Greek (as a second language).

[@Shadoweknows76]

It's not a theory if Mary and her daughter Sarah were recognized as saints by the church

[@peterwelsh1932]

Is James "the Lesser" a bad translation? Is "Lesser" really necessary?

[@alanpennie]

It does seem rather impertinent. It may reflect the rather strained relations between Paul )and his disciples) and The Jerusalem Church.

[@70AD-user45]

It means James the Lesser was the younger of the two James, and that's all it means.

[@conniestone6251]

So, the everlasting John is the Maglor/Makalaurë in JRRT world? Ever-wandering the shores of the earth...

[@alanpennie8013]

The Wandering John!

[@HistoryandReviews]

@@alanpennie8013 does not exist

[@alanpennie8013]

@@HistoryandReviews I reckon I probably do exist. What do you think Rene' ?

[@HistoryandReviews]

@@alanpennie8013 John either died or he never existed. He is not “wandering” for 2000 years, come on

[@kirkshields-priddy3617]

Mary Magdalene? Joanna? Mary or Martha of Bethany? All were beloved by Jesus.

[@marcionphilologos5367]

The Gospels are typical products of the collective writing of several individuals. The Gospel of MARC must have been ready around 42 AN, but it also seems that in the following 10 years sentences are added. The Gospel of MATHEW is the product of JAMES/ PETER adding several Jewish connotations and was probably ready around 60 AN. Luke was clearly written with the help of Paul between 60-64 AN, with the goal to strip it from Jewish connotations. APOSTLE JOHN LIVED WITH MARIA MAGDALENA IN EPHESA, AND HAD THE GOAL TO UNIFY JEWISH CHRISTIANITY (destroyed by the Jewish war) WITH SUCCESFUL GREEK CHRISTIANITY (centred around Pontus). The LOGOS was identified with CHRIST, AS DYONISIUS, HERODEUS, PAUL AND BARNABAS HAD TEACHED. DYONISIUS wrote a letter to John, stating his admiration, but criticising his last book of revelation, believing he needed psychological help. THE GREEK CHRISTIANS BELIEVED IN THE FUTURE COMING OF A BETTER WORLD, BUT DID CERTAINLY NOT BELIEVE IN MAGIC DREAM ORACLES.

[@lindsaymadzivanzira4177]

What's in the background? Distracting my dude. Signs and symbols are very weird

[@williambrewer]

There's a lot of weird assumptions that he's putting forth without any proof. 30:50 how does this guy know that James's group is living by support of alms? The book of Acts clearly says there was a famine. Act 11;28-30 AFV+ 28 And one from among them, named Agabus, stood up and signified by the Spirit that there would be a great famine throughout the whole world, which also came to pass under Claudius Caesar. 29 And each of the disciples, everyone according as he had prospered, determined to send relief to the brethren dwelling in Judea; 30 Which they also did, sending it to the elders by the hand of Barnabas and Saul.

[@Axer01250]

Ok? so.. Because of the prophesied famine, the believers in Antioch decided to send relief to the brothers and sisters in Judea, everyone giving as much as they could. This they did, entrusting their gifts to Barnabas and Saul to take to the elders of the church in Jerusalem. Sounds like giving alms to me.

[@70AD-user45]

@@Axer01250 At 42:40, the Jews never believed there would be a literal "end of the world", nor do the Scriptures say anything at all about an "end of the world". What they did believe was the end of the age, "this age and the age to come". This is covenantal language meaning they believed that there would be an end of the Old Covenant age of Israel guided by Torah, followed by the birth of the Messianic or New Covenant age of the Church which was more spiritual in nature. This was prophecied in Daniel and the other prophets who prophecied "this age, and the age to come", which was the New Covenant age. Why do so many scholars/teachers make the same mistake when misquoting the Scriptures about a supposed apocalyptic end of the world when the Greek word "aeon" used to say "end of the aeon" (age), not end of the world. This was fulfilled in 70 AD. What mattered most in the Old Covenantal world of Israel was the temple, the Torah, and the physical land in Palestine. By 70 AD they lost all three and this vindicated Jesus in Matthew 24 and when Jesus correctly prophecied the Kingdom age, or the New Covenant will be inherited by the righteous remnant of Israel. In a way, it was the end of the world. It was the end of their spiritual world of the Old Covenant age. Not once do the Scriptures say, end of the physical world. 70 AD symbolised the apocalyptic end of the age, the parousia (spiritual) coming of the Lord, the arrival of the Kingdom, judgement of apostate Jerusalem, and the resurrection of the dead. At 48:55, the Apostles were certainly not expecting a physical second coming of Jesus literally coming on the clouds. The terminology, "to come on the clouds" means to come spirituality in judgement. The Hebrews believed God used nations to pass judgement on other nations, just as the Romans were used to pass judgement on apostate Jerusalem.

[@neocount6397]

Some people want "John" to be a man. The femanine appearance and the chalice symbol do raise some questions.

[@unrecognizedtalent3432]

I was thinking the same, but the Gospel does call him a he

[@neocount6397]

@unrecognizedtalent3432 it's a noggin scratcher!

[@maryhitchcock-nn1nm]

I suppose I will need to find a lecture on the details which dispute the da vince code theory. It seems plausable to me from a distance. However much of early history is open for investigation. The more I learn, the more I see curiosities

[@yolandosoquite3507]

..Do you think The Gospel of Salvation was spread by Angels with Wings (including the 7 Bowls) or by Messengers called Men(11 Disciples)?.And when did The Gospel(The Word) started to Spread around the World.. was it only during the Conquest & Colonization era of European Conquestadors? To have a proper Geography & Compass orientation is to know the exact Location of the Author of Revelation(John)..Revelation 7:2And I saw another angel ascending from the east...Was John in Patmos or in the Island of Pateo?..John was the Angel that Ascended in the East..East is always where the Sun & Moon Rises...Patmos in the Agean Sea/Turkey/Europe and Africa are too far far away from the East..The East in Africa is just a LOCAL East..The True East(The Vast Pacific Ocean) is where the Sun & Moon Rises. The 7000 islands is in The Vast Pacific Ocean and among these Islands ,John The Revelator settled(Revelation 12:14), together with Maria Magdala after the Destruction of the Temple(46 years to build) in 70AD.

[@aclem8246]

The holy grail is actually the shroud of turin.

[@PetouKan]

Hi awesome and thorough analysis. But again, why are you saying that the Apocalypse did not happen? You don't know that. It was never said the world was about to end. There's a strong possibility that the destruction of Jerusalem was the Apocalypse. Preterism is a stronger argument than futurism, if you believe the vision was prophetic.

[@markcharron]

In my opinion, there are some vast assumptions being made about Mark's gospel here. You go from saying that because Mark's gospel cuts off short, somehow that means he had this radical Christology, when it could've just been that the original scroll ran out. And then from that, you make the assumption that because he had this radical Christology, that he swapped resurrection stories for ministry stories... It's just too many assumptions I think.

[@timw6110]

We need define “kosher” and “the law of Moses” Paul never preached against the law of God, nor ever was trying to do away with the scripture instruction. His main goal was to preach the gospel and that keeping the law does not save you. Christ does. The law is perfect, spiritual, and righteous. That is Jesus. We don’t believe on the word that became flesh and don’t do what He does! He saves, we follow the scriptures! Which is Him!

[@craigfairweather3401]

Thankyou sir. On the identity of the author of ‘John’ I was surprised you did not mention the theory that was raised in 1960 that it was ‘John Mark’ of Acts. This man is named simply ‘John’ TWICE in ACTS which was written about the same time as ‘John’ suggesting he was then likely usually known by his Jewish name. The tradition from the 1st century mentions without elaboration of a ‘Mark’ in Philemon, Colossians, 2Timothy and 1 Peter proving a Mark(John Mark?) was VERY well known as a preacher in the Aegean and Anatolian provinces in the 60s. John Mark lived in a big house in Jerusalem at the time of Jesus and if the last supper was held there he could have been the host and so at the right hand side of the guest of honour. This privilege might have been enough for him to call himself ‘the disciple Jesus loved’ ( because it was a surprise honour). We know there was later confusion between the two main ‘John’s’. It would have been easy, if John Mark was known to have written a gospel to wrongly assign the name ‘Mark’ to the short gospel and assume the fourth gospel was by an apostle. If ‘John’ is by a Jerusalem resident it explains the Jerusalem focus of ‘John’.

[@HistoryandReviews]

No

[@jonjohnson445]

1:45:04

[@jonjohnson445]

1:19:18 P.S.

[@Tanengtiong]

Discovery lately tells us GoJ could be written before the destruction of Jerusalem. And, the Books of Gospel were not anonymous originally. Prefer to believe in the witnesses of Ireneous and Polycarp, than contemporary scholar. αὐτός g846 in John 21:24 bear an emphatic self semantics, not referring to another person's witness, under the context.

[@juliogadelhaparente]

john hammer

[@giovanni545]

Revelation 12:17 17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

[@4everseekingwisdom690]

12 apostles, 12 brothers of Joseph, 12 son's of Jacob and the ten tribes.. They are all symbols for the zodiac

[@adriennepatterson6113]

6:20 John, you look like all those Johns ❤ did you pick your outfit on purpose? very pretty ;)

[@Tybourne1991]

Watcher, be aware that the speaker treats the biblical text with skepticism but appears to accept certain Mormon claims uncritically. I don't mind if it's a Latter-Day Saints production. But why not make that clear from the outset?

[@Axer01250]

Thank you for your concern. Each of us have our own beliefs and presuppositions. And in as much, I don't believe that there are any attempts of deception or wrong doing on the part of the lecturer or his organization. Their website openly discusses their beliefs, goals, and mission statement. Historical-biblical criticism includes a wide range of approaches and typically utilizes four major methodologies: textual, source, form, and literary criticisms. These lectures frame each category quite well. They provide, for free, to those interested in such studies. Based on solid scholarship. So it is of no true consequence to me, what their affiliations.

[@MidlifeCrisis82]

Just because they point something they don't believe is false doesn't increase the chance that what they believe is true.

[@wungabunga]

Many such videos promoted by KZbin. Mr Tabor and so on. I find this interesting….

[@jasjones3803]

@@wungabungais Tabor Mormon?

[@wungabunga]

@@jasjones3803 Don't know, don't care. Definitely has an anti catholic agenda hidden by repeated claims of objective historical study. A dissembler.

[@drlarryjohnson7880]

Agree that the John of the Revelation is not the same as the John of the gospel or the epistles. Also agree that the "The Elder" (John the Presbyter) is a different John from the John of the gospels. Papias makes this clear. But you ignore the traditions about John from Saint Irenaeus and Polycarp, I guess because they don't fit your narrative. Beyond that, I think you are taking a huge ahistorical leap to conclude the John of the gospels is not the foundational author or eyewitness that is the source of the gospel called John's. It is well understood among Eastern Orthodox Christians that the Apostle John did not himself pen the gospel of John but had a scribe. As the text makes clear. If the text is a late source, it makes sense that an older, Semtic John -- not steeped in Greek -- might be the source for a polished Greek disciple as scribe. Your explanation of "the beloved disciple" or "the one whom Jesus loved," also doesn't at all sync the clear fact that use of that term only makes sense if it is referring to the historical John, the Apostle. These details in John (i.e. the mother mary being at the cross) only makes sense in the context of the text and in the historical facts as we have them about John being present as one of the Apostles; so, your conclusion on that is inadmissible. Just because the author took great pains to not name the disciple, doesn't mean it's not the Apostle John. At most you can say it's a literary device for reasons unknown, but it's not an unreasonable device if the person composing is not the actual eyewitness. There is no reason to conclude, as you so often do, that the traditions held by the early oral history of Christians were all false! Your every interpretation reaches this conclusion. The "retrojection" theories around the gospel of mark and Christ's resurrection I find utterly speculative, having no factual foundations at all! Nevertheless, I did get useful material out of your presentations. They are organized well and easy to digest. kudos.

[@simritnam612]

No Jameses, only "Yakovs"

[@Eric777-71]

🙏✌️😁

[@Shadoweknows76]

Jesus means hail Zeus he's Lucifer and he tells you so many times in the bi Bell. Enoch was named messiah by our creator Aravat. He sealed the book calling it good Never went back on his own word. Nt New testament added books also wrote the book of demonology.

[@AJWRAJWR]

Jesus is named after the Israelite Joshua. Joshua is a type of Christ, for his life foreshadows the coming Messiah in Jesus.

[@urbancamp5595]

Do you have a final conclusion on what Pauls agenda was..roman spy or true apostle ?

[@bannor99]

Holy Grail = San Greal = Sang Real = Blood Royal

[@jasonrodarte2681]

That is not the Grail

[@GinaR21212]

Common Sense would say that you're over explaining John, John obviously was too young to grow a beard.

[@thegoodolddays9193]

How old was he? Personally I had facial hair and a beard by 18

[@normative]

Common sense would tell you medieval painters had no idea what John looked like or what his precise age was, and so you need to actually think about why they chose to depict him the way they did.

[@SabineTheHutt]

Paul was such a poser

[@Articolate]

Given the obv. scorn for Dan Brown & The Da Vinci Code, the term "symbology" is a Brown invention and frequent use throughout this talk seems unintentionally ironic. 𝗦𝘆𝗺𝗯𝗼𝗹𝗶𝘀𝗺 works if 𝗶𝗰𝗼𝗻𝗼𝗴𝗿𝗮𝗽𝗵𝘆 seems too pretentious 🔑

[@GodlessCommie]

I was hoping to here more about how Polycarp was allegedly a student of the apostle John. Still loved it nonetheless the less