THE ASCENSION OF ANGRON!

[@edim108]

For me, this is one of the saddest moments in 40k Lore. Angron was robbed of everything he had left and in the end was denied even death, becoming a slave of Khorne for all eternity.

[@spacemanx9595]

Because he sucks

[@thefonztm]

It is the end times. Guilliman's primaris have succeeded. The loyalists have reunited the majority of the imperium. Abbadon is dying. Blood drenches his ragged smile. He looks up. From the sword, to the hand, to the face. And his smile widens. Abbadon has succeeded. Guiliman's imperium is his prize. A a lesser jewel than his fathers's, but one of flawless construction. A ceramite turbrine forever bound to spin in the winds of chaos. Forever spinning upon a fixed axis. Forever empowered by the unending winds of chaos. Humanity is but an object for chaos to flow around and through. Never again to stand against the tide and drive it back. Forever bound to it's bulwark and the minor turbulences it creates as chaos flows around and through it. Abbadon smiles his last and the light of the astronomicon goes out. He is calm. That is to say enraged, but stilled, receptive - if but only for a moment. Never a gifted psyker, none the less he feels it. As though the sun where on his back one moment, and then not. And then he feels it again. This time upon his face. Rising to meet it he bellows with a fury that shakes his halls. He would devour this star as easily as if a child had been foolish enough to stand between his boot and the ground. It reaches him and matches his fury with his its own. It comes to him with passion and strength and he matches it in kind. It dares. His rage grows. He unleashes his rage and it is met, halted - but not in kind. The rage flows out of him and the light flows through him. His bellow still reverberates, but silence has settled upon the hall. The light is gone. He neither feels it upon his face nor his back. All that remains is the clatter of nails upon the floor. Angron - a ghost no more. __________ I am a casual pleb so pardon any egregious lore issues. Just having a bit of fun.

[@qigonglungz]

Facts... it was a double bad for me because I hadn't caught up on the lore and I though Lorgar had a chance to redeem himself but when he did this to Angron (I didn't know about Calth yet) I knew he wasn't gonna be a Loyalist.

[@user-xk9gw1gf8c]

#BlameLorgar

[@edim108]

@@user-xk9gw1gf8c Nah, it's all Magnus' fault.

[@moodyowlproductions4287]

Angron"all I wanted was to save my people....I was.robbed of that"

[@dmastermanga]

He was robbed of that and more. He couldn't even die with comrades that truly deserved his loyalty.

[@xSystem1111x]

I believe that if the Emperor would have helped Angron save his people, Angron wouldn't have been swayed as easily. Angron would have felt far mor loyalty to the Emperor. This book made me understand Angrons hate for the Emperor.

[@Doomseer]

​@@xSystem1111x By the time the Emperor encountered Angron he had already become completely and utterly ground down due to the incomprehensibly monumental task of uniting humanity and conquering the galaxy and had become completely apathetic when it came to bringing his wayward sons into the fold. Meaning he was so far passed the point of caring about recruiting his sons the right way which was earning their trust and admiration before taking them under his wing and simply wanted it done as quickly as possible so that he could further bolster the forces of the crusade. Honestly just think about how messed up humans become as a result of war in the real world and then imagine having to fight a galactic spanning war where the very fate of the human race rests on your shoulders and then as if that wasn't enough you also have to wage a secret war against the ruinous powers which nobody can know about. Yeah that would rob anyone of their humanity no matter how mentally, physically and spiritually elevated they are.

[@barklordofthesith2997]

@@Doomseer But that in of itself was the Emperors undoing. For the Emperor had pre-planned the Horus Heresy because he wanted to kill off the Primarchs & the Astartes once they conquered the galaxy for him. However it started sooner than anticipated AND Emps didn't expect the forces of Chaos to get involved in it.

[@Doomseer]

@@barklordofthesith2997 Yeah I understand why you think that bro but that's simply not correct because for one Malcador was straight up lying when he said that to the one dying imperial in order to assuage her fears that the Horus heresy was going to be the undoing of the Imperium and much of that is due to the fact that he knew the existentially horrific fate which awaited her once her soul passed into the immaterium. So he wanted her at the very least to die with hope in her heart that the Imperium she loved so much and fought so hard for would endure by convincing her that the heresy was indeed all a part of the Emperor's grand design. However the truth is far more complicated because even though the Emperor without a doubt knew some sort of terrible civil war would at some point occur he didn't exactly know how it would start or by who's hands and definitely didn't except in the slightest that it would be his own sons who'd eventually kick off the civil war. Furthermore he never intended to kill the astartes and especially not the primarchs because even though his relationships with them were complicated at the best of times he definitely loved them in his own way and more importantly knew that no matter how strong the Imperium became they would always need them when taking into account the very real possibility that there were still threats out there which had not yet revealed themselves such as the Tyranids as a perfect example. Also I know you'll probably say then why did he wipe out the thunder warriors and honestly all I can say in response is that he had no other recourse then to take them out of play once Terra had been conquered because they were always imperfect creations which were unstable to put it very mildly and bread for only purpose being of course constant warfare and as such wouldn't of been able to handle even the briefest periods of peace without going flat out crazy and turning on each other and their human allies. So in short they were blunt instruments instead of the highly refined tools that were the primarchs and their legions.

[@vincebradleysolante7895]

I hate the part where the Warhounds try to stop Lorgar and just to be killed by their father... it hurts to read...

[@jessejamesroy0069]

that's the best part but i felt bad for Esker and only Esker he deserved better his was a very sad tale

[@vincebradleysolante7895]

for a moment I thought they were actually going to kill Lorgar.

[@jessejamesroy0069]

@@vincebradleysolante7895 nah he's a primarch lorgar was a beast that fight he was only having a hard time cause his hand got blown away. But when you Hear Angron say My Brother!! you know what's gonna go down it's handsdown the best battle in the book

[@segatasanshiro21]

Here’s a “What if?” story I’d love, what if Fabius Bile had made an untainted clone of Angron instead of Fulgrim? Sane, no Butcher’s nails and seeing what he’s become. We can dream...

[@iagree6677]

Now *that* would be interesting! We'd actually get to see what he should have been. Although he would be without a legion.

[@dmastermanga]

If the clone retained all the memories up to the point of his reunion with his father, the clone would probably also go rouge. Big E. did Angron a big dirty, the most compared to all his other brothers at the point of their reunions I would argue.

[@VictorIV0310]

There's Roboutian Heresy Angron where he never had the nails at all.

[@johnnyscifi]

As a gift to that workd eater apothecary that became Biles equerry

[@johnnyscifi]

dmastermanga i think that just based Angrons free spirit alone would cause him to loathe the Imperium, not his father, but empires, in general

[@OktayKus1993]

"angrons cry of hurt and rage echoes out across the warp...." goosebumps.. Just goosebumps

[@NoInfoAvail]

I like Angry Guilliman! Hes so polite and thoughtful most of the time, extremely diplomatic and what not. Seeing him as his warrior self is always great, shows us the side of him he tries to hide. What an AMAZIN series of primarch videos! I really like Angrons stuff, seeing him before the nails was really interesting.

[@masongalioth4110]

Wow. Week went by fast. Swear we just started.

[@snakeyman5560]

Its so unfair. ;c Let's start a riot!

[@marcusharris188]

Thought the same. Good week though. Found out so much more about Angron lol

[@joshuabrockbank8309]

Angron month? 😍

[@TheSMC1988]

That's 2020 for ya lol.

[@xman4399]

Dr. Medic BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD 🩸🩸, SKULLS FOR THE SKULL THRONE 💀💀

[@brokenrooster4338]

Seeing Angron as he was before the butcher's nails, it's sad to think about how much his sons must have hurt and loved him. I feel like knowing Angron better now makes me understand not just his tragedy but the tragedy of his sons. Great vid and great series!

[@dmastermanga]

As much as they genuinely did, they never really deserved Angron's loyalty, nor did the Emperor or the imperium at large for how he was "procured". What was left of Angron belonged to the slaves who all died on his homeworld trying to fight for freedom and the end of tyrant slavemasters. What was left was slain by the emperor on that faithful reunion, and instead he made a creature ready to betray him. I believe as much as Big E. wanted to not admit, a sane Angron without the butcher's nails would have rebelled faster than the one blinded by rage. Angron himself admitted to this prior his open rebellion, that the nails were the only thing making it possible for him to follow his father's orders. The opportunity to commit mass slaughter was the only thing that gave Angron pleasure all thanks to the nails, and I think the emperor fully knew this and was aware it was the only way he could continue using him as a tool after the big dick-move he committed against his son.

[@dahl7817]

I loved the reactions of the traitors when the Ultramarines showed up. These were not the Ultramarines they knew. They were survivors of Calth and with hatred they will know vengeance.

[@qigonglungz]

Kinda feel bad for Angron... Especially now, he is extremely powerful but so unstable it's useless... in "The Emperor's Gift"(by ABD) some psyker Grey Knights are remotely viewing him far away on a planet. He turns and looks at them across reality and swipes at them and almost kills them "remotely!" (It almost dropped the book on that part of the story, great description of Angron) So the guy is ridiculously powerful because that's bending reality... but he is so mad it's all for naught... well, all for the Blood God.

[@ChaosCharge]

my word, that was a great scene with Roboute Guilliman standing at the end of the burning street ready to kill Logar

[@dibshadibs]

Wow, i never knew angron didnt even know he was going to be turned into a daemon prince. I always assumed he had chosen it.

[@badbishop1049]

I dont think he would have chosen it willingly even if it were offered. He wanted death and freedom from servitude. Becoming a demon offers neither so lorgar tricked him into becoming one while his mind was completely lost in the rage of battle.

[@davidolsen2495]

Lorgar was scared when he saw what true hatred looks like

[@power_SERG]

Words cannot describe how much I hate Lorgar.

[@battlemastergenkhan4622]

@Ahmad Zubair he hated Guilliman for his indifference. He saw cold duty in his eyes on Manarchia and thought he didn't care for him or his legion.

[@BBlueu2]

Scared? Lol He wrecked Guilliman's pretty blonde face.

[@davidolsen2495]

@@BBlueu2 Pretty? Guilliman looks like an older uncle lol

[@a.j.6926]

“I didnt side with Horus, Im against the Emperor”

[@aaronslater470]

Can you imagine how different Angron would have turned out if Big E had supported his gladiator uprising?

[@Manticore00]

Yes.. I love all your narrations mate and I have to say this ones fantastic...

[@adams5613]

Gw really pulled him from generic to greatness. Ro, you've done such a good job with his story. The dornian hersey was written well before these were and were just about perfect with the Angron that could have been.

[@headlibrarian1996]

I'm disappointed the ascension was never depicted from Angron's point of view. Did Khorne make Angron an offer? If so, was it accepted or refused (not that Angron was in possession of sufficient facts to honestly weigh the offer)? If not, was Angron corrupted and enslaved without Khorne's active participation? Given Lorgar's conflict of interest in the ascension (big-time favor with Chaos and Khorne especially) his claim to be doing it to save Lorgar rings hollow. I've always assumed that daemonic ascension brings spiritual corruption so thorough that notions like "slave of Khorne" are unthinkable to Angron. It would also not surprise me if the Nails still bring Angron pain. Making you suffer in the warp forever is a very Chaos kind of fate, and it would be a rebuke to Lorgar's hubris (not that he would care anymore).

[@alexthebassist23]

I always assumed that you had to voulentarily accept apotheosis or chaos gifts

[@headlibrarian1996]

@@alexthebassist23 I would think so too, but there are plenty of instances where exposure to Chaos can turn you to Chaos. Angron was hit with a lot more corrupting Warp energy than that. Maybe if he refuses the Warp energy just kills him or turns him into warp spawn? "Accept apotheosis and serve me forever or die" is a pretty tyrannical offer, but the amount of energy being directed at Angron makes me wonder whether such an offer even needed to be made.

[@Entrophius]

I hate this specific lore point. Instead of Angron becoming a psychopathic maniac that enjoys slaughter and skills then begins re-decorating his ships with skulls and rivers of blood from his enemies and THEN deciding to become a demon himself, it is implied that without Lorgar on the premises Angron would not ascend or would start worshiping the god of skulls in the first place. It doesn't make sense to me for someone to become an unwilling servant of Slaanesh or Khorne, like what seems to be happening to Fulgrim and Angron. I think writers are trying to create sympathetic characters where they shouldn't be. Some guys can be just bad.

[@epicwaba6424]

Khorne doesn’t give “offers.” I don’t think Khorne is capable of understanding the concept of it. I remember in Soul Hunter, also by ADB, Talos is approached in a vision by avatars of all four Gods. Tzeentch and Slaanesh try to seduce him with promises of power, Nurgle simply refuses him, but Khorne doesn’t even speak. Khorne is a nonverbal ball of pure irrational rage. If you share that rage, you invite him. And in the moment where Angron saw the remains of his brothers desecrated, he had that true level of ferocity and bloodlust. He would have done anything to get revenge. Khorne simply provided him the tools to do so. Khorne has no ulterior motives or desire to manipulate, Angron was already doing what he wanted. But now stronger.

[@epicwaba6424]

@@Entrophius I believe Angron would have turned to Khorne on his own given time. If he survived the heresy as a mortal and fled to the Eye it would be a pretty certain fate. But Angron didn’t have that time, he was dying. Lorgar just sped him through the process. He WAS willing, the situation was just engineered to ensure he reached a desperate enough state. Lorgar’s plan was basically just to trigger the fuck out of his PTSD and then flood him with warp energy. There was no true misleading or trickery of Angron, just putting him in the right place at the right time doing the right thing.

[@orcslayerwhatifs4507]

Could they just have thrown angron at orks instead of people

[@gerardclarke1001]

Just throw angron and the world eaters at an ork empire and see what happens

[@orcslayerwhatifs4507]

The emperor should have just took angron and removed the nail forcefully cause angron would probably be a little B*tch about it or he could throw him at orks in the first place

[@Max-zr7hr]

@@orcslayerwhatifs4507 I think the the reason is that the nails can't be removed without killing him at this point. Although I'm with you. I feel like big E could have figured something out

[@orcslayerwhatifs4507]

Even then Don't they have cryogenic stasis where he could sleep until they had a way

[@cn9707]

@@Max-zr7hr The Emperor would have to keep him sedated and alive with his psychic powers. The nails would kill Angron in response to the psychic powers.

[@tigeriussvarne177]

Courage and Honour!

[@-MarcelDavis-]

Guilliman losing it and giving into rage gives me goosebumps in a way no other Primarch could. I think it's because he is the most calm and collected, one of the most successful and yet humble Primarchs. To see him cut a bloody path through a legion to confront his brother and get revenge is something I didn't expect. This and Lorgars reaction, the disbelief as well as the realisation that Guilliman had not hated him until this point, makes this one of the most badass scenes in the HH series for me. Thanks for sharing Rho.

[@BatmatYT]

I'm left wondering. With faith becoming a strong force in 40k, maybe the literal God potion of the Emperor forming in the warp would be capable of stealing the souls of the corrupted primarchs from the chaos gods and remaking them into Primarch Saints or something. If anything, seeing the God Emp walking into Khorn's skull plains to break Angron's chains would be one hell of a badass redemption plot.

[@benwhitnell]

That would be an incredible finale. Especially if the Emperor ended up killing himself for real in the process of freeing his son.

[@markogilja4994]

Think about what the big E would need to do to Slaneesh to get Fulgrim back... nightmare fuel right here haha

[@VandalAudi]

Also it would prove that Lorgar was right all along. I don’t think Emp’s ego could survive that.

[@shadedreaver]

Well, Fabius bile had cloned all of them at one point, cloning Angron would have made a Nailless version but i guess that went down the drain since he whont make loyalist clones except the Fulgrim that the necron guy has.

[@hawkeyehcs6131]

I loved reading betrayer. Theirs a part I want in the future covered where Lorgar is almost killed by a titan but Angron saves him. Wolf Lord Rho always uploads the most interesting lore videos

[@AdrianTether]

As silence roars through gathered masses You stared waiting eagerly Approaching darkness decreasing your life expectancy The tension is now rising The calm before the storm See your life flash before you Will you live to see the dawn? The enemy is now approaching With bloodlust in their eyes Intense fear is overcoming For now death - you will defy As the battle raged all dead and wounded Bodies, the carnage all you see The white-hot blast - melting flesh The screaming pain in agony…

[@TheCasualMark]

Once a slave, always a slave. Dang we really need a demon Primarch model of him and finish that fight with Guilliman.

[@Kainlarsen]

Lorgar was a user, he sold his own brother out for his own validation. As I said before, Angron suffered terribly, but he still had it within himself to rise above... yet he continued to see everyone as an enemy and wallow in hate.

[@fulalbatross]

@@degalrants7968 See it in pretty much every single religious fanatic ever.

[@Tracker947]

The makeup of his brain was literally altered and you think he could just will that away?!

[@georgedang449]

@@Tracker947 He would've at least tried if he still had any of his people left to protect. Humans made him a slave, replaced part of his brain with Butcher's Nail, the Emperor robbed him of his people and left them to die. Angron doesn't owe humanity/Emperor a thing. Humanity/Emperor made their choices, Angron is the consequence. This is the Angron they earned, this is the Angron they deserve.

[@johnisaacfelipe6357]

This is the most stupid take ever. Lorgar opined to Magnus about Angron's fate, in his discussions with magnus, Lorgar was entirely surprised and disgusted when Magnus was fine with Angron dying due to the nails. It literally drove Lorgar mad and it made Lorgar promise Magnus that he will save Angron from death. Again, Lorgar could've just enacted his concentration on Guilliman and killed him with the psychic power that he would have used to ascend Angron yet he did not because he valued Angron's life higher than his own goal.

[@dmastermanga]

Angron was lost the moment he was betrayed by his father during their reunion. He warned the Emperor himself, that he would be leaving with only a ghost of his son and the Emperor was content with effectively killing what's left of his son and making use of a tool instead. Super-human or not, I don't think after all he went through, he could have "fixed it himself", he certainly could have before the Emperor totally blind-sided him, but that's what finally broke the camel's back after a lifetime of non-stop physical/mental agony while a torture device stuck in your head aggressively messed with your sanity. His trans-human physiology can be credited for keeping him together enough to get him to lead a cause that was clearly just during his rebellion against slavemasters, but something much more within broke from his father's transgressions, something that even the lifetime of slavery or being under the influence of the butcher's nails couldn't even break. "You kept that mule Kor Phaeron. Russ kept his kin-friends. The Lion kept Luther. Humans - brothers and foster fathers - saved and raised into Legion ranks. But not me. Not Angron, no. Did the Emperor teleport his gold-wrapped Custodians down to help me and my army? No. Did he free the War Hounds and order them to battle, fight alongside me? No. Did he save my brothers and sisters the way he spared and honoured the Lion's closest kin? The way he honoured Kor Phaeron? No, no and no. No mercy for Angron. Angron the Oathbreaker. Angron the Betrayer." - Primarch Angron explaining his anger towards the Emperor

[@UncleMikeDrop]

Never mistake Roboute' Guilliman's temperance for weakness. Many are the dead who have made this fatal error. Guilliman is control even in his rage and hatred.

[@UncleMikeDrop]

@Ahmad Zubair That was about yhe Lorgar exerpt.

[@BBlueu2]

@Ahmad Zubair lol no... Guilliman was getting his ass kicked by Lorgar. And He stands no chance against Angron in close combat.

[@Duppyman695]

How? Have I missed Angron week? Blood, skulls, Blood & skulls .......... why am I watching the last 1 first ??

[@bobmckelvey7905]

Angrons Perfect Son speech to Guilliman is awesome it shows he was quite eloquent when he wanted to be . Telling Guilliman that HE was the one who had real courage and honor . As a long time Ork player I've always looked at Guilliman as the Perfect Primarch the Emporers mini me Yet ADB's great speech by Angron really made me feel he was the one who had Courage and Honor while Guilliman prospered under near perfect conditions

[@KaiserAfini]

He started his life as a slave, but was spirited away by those who would forge his talent for their purpose. When he returned to the dry torment that was his home world, he found only suffering and the rage entrenched itself deeper in his heart. In time the mask of heroism could not hide the cruelty of his actions. The machinations of the malevolent bound him to line his path with corpses and become an instrument to break the spine of the establishment. Eventually he was laid low by the champions of his foes, his rage had long crippled him body and soul, alienated him from all the good things in his life. He became a slave once more, bound to the very diabolical masters that set him on this path, rage and pain would be all he knew, all he could build. Even now he awaits the final curtain call, when perhaps he could sever the bindings of fate and finally set himself free. But enough about Darth Vader, I wonder how Angron is doing.

[@heathenpride7931]

When was Angron ever seen as a hero?

[@KaiserAfini]

@@heathenpride7931 Imperial propaganda, such as the Remembrancers, was focused on portraying the primarchs and Emperor as heroes, crusaders for the good of humanity. Anyone who met Angron for 5 minutes would be dispelled of that notion, but that was the kind of public image they built for him.

[@iagree6677]

Every Primarch i learn more about I either sympathize with or respect more.... The reverse is true with Lorgar

[@barklordofthesith2997]

While Lorgar was indeed a religious zealot, you have to admit that what Emps did on Manarchia was a total dick move & it does drive the storyline forward that Lorgor would then be driven to find something to fill the void left by the Emperor himself. (plus all the novels would be MUCH shorter if these events didn't take place.) example - Horus Heresy book #1 "Doesn't exist because Lorgar never turned to Chaos."

[@johnnys8393]

I never liked Angron purely because of his shallow personality. This series added a little depth. Please do Lorgar next! Or Corvus Corax (nobody seems to talk about Corax much)!

[@TheOnlySpartanGames]

I just wanna say your lore videos are my favorite and they’re so well made. Thank you for these videos they’re the best content I watch on KZbin

[@michaelhowell2326]

Get em, Bobby G! Whoop those tricks! Guilliman don't need no Chaos Upgrades. He don't need to be "elevated" to a false Prince. All he ever needed was the next world to bring into compliance.

[@NoName-lo9ym]

Angron could have been the greatest Primarch had he never had the Butchers Nails implanted. Without them he may have been able to win a guerilla slave war and rise from slave fighter to King of Nuceria, one with the powers of an empathy who would command loyalty greater than Leman Russ.

[@Italian_Polar_Bear]

No Name I think Russ & Vulcan would still be contenders.

[@patrickbolding9729]

Dorn, and Perturabo are the best Primarchs! All of the others boasted in their personal abilities, but that is not what they were made for. They were made to command legions, Sanguinius feared Perturabo, and Horus wished that Dorn was on his side. Blood for the true Blood God, the one that sits on the Golden Throne ... Iron within, Iron without

[@nicholasbreecher9315]

He, before the nails, was actually a healer who could take the pain of others. I think the theory stands on a good base.

[@Italian_Polar_Bear]

I don’t disagree that Antron was supposed to be a healer. On reflection, I believe nearly every Primarch commanded absolute loyalty within his OWN legion. I believe a Primarch’s ability to command loyalty not only from the Astro Milatarum BUT from other legions is a much more significant accomplishment. In that regard, sadly, Russ had the disapproval of many of his brothers....Sanguinius was one of the few Primarchs that could command loyalty across the imperium.

[@oditeomnes]

Even without the nails, there would be the issue of the Emperor's bad first impression. Horus with his charisma would exploit it, like "Emperor discarded your friends just like he will discard you after the crusade is over" type of argument.

[@johnnyscifi]

For a slave, Angron is awfully well with his words Imagine if Angron and Guilliman were swapped positions. Ps: Nuceria is apart of Ultramar

[@kelman727]

Thing is... ...Angron never actually said ‘yes’ to becoming a Daemon Prince. However crappy or rigged the circumstances, the Chaos gods still have to offer a choice.

[@alexandrustemate4461]

He killed the world eaters trying to stop Lorgar, I think the gods would trust that into some form of consent

[@Nurriek]

That's not entirely true, as we see in Fulgrim's ascension. Yes, he wanted to ascend. But Perturabo notoriously hated witchcraft, and a piece of him was used to help in Fulgrim's ascension. Then there's the act of Daemonic possession; That is not always a willing act. It can be forced. Lorgar is the one who performed the ritual. He does it to save Angron's life, but it is forced upon him in a consistent manner with what we've seen of Chaos.

[@dmastermanga]

@@Nurriek He didn't necessarily hate the act of witch-craft specifically, but the Chaos pantheon are just another band of would-be Emperor's in his life. Perturabo was all about sticking it to any authority that would try to place itself above him after years of trying to appease the one he had before.

[@Nurriek]

@@dmastermanga That isn't true. The Iron Warriors, and by extension, Perturabo are vehemently anti-sorcery and Warp-yuckies. This is evidenced by the fact that the Iron Warriors will amputate mutation from their form and replace it with cybernetics. Or the fact that Perty himself could see the Eye of Terror in the sky no matter where he was, and that he felt like it was watching him. It made him feel uncomfortable. And he cast his vote against the Librarius at the Council of Nikea. He would use a Psyker / Sorcerer, if necessary. But he was not in favour of them at all.

[@epicwaba6424]

We don’t know that for certain. And Khorne isn’t exactly a contract signing kinda guy. He was summoned by Lorgar, offered Angron the power he wanted in that moment, and Angron took it without a second thought.

[@steve43ful]

One of the best one of these you’ve ever done. Ty!!

[@dac314]

Robute:.... Lorgar: no no no no no no no no, noooononononononononono

[@bigbenbowski3740]

Very interesting week of videos, thanks Rho. Slightly surprised "After Desh'ea" from "Tales Of Heresy" didn't get a mention in this series? I think that story really shows how broken Angron had become.

[@przemysek2511]

Blood for the blood god, skulls for the skull throne, and eternity of slavery for ONE who would rather kill the enslave anyone. F for axe boi who could be a great Primarch to the war hounds but ended as a downfall for world eaters o7

[@michaelhunt3332]

I head an audio book about the campaigns Angron and Logar did together ( not sure the name of the book.) They were pursuing a Eldar vessel and docked their ship. The narrator then goes on to explain the only time, let me repeat, the ONLY time Angron felt any form of rest and peace was when he was in combat! Sleep didn't bring peace! Sitting didn't bring peace! NOTHING stopped the excruciating pain he felt unless he was in combat. It explained that, when he was in combat, he entered in sort of a trace that took all pain and anguish away and he somehow consciously was able to fight even though subconsciously, he was resting. He needed to fight because if he didn't; he was going through unimaginable anguish. Some say he was out of control and was just a bloodthirsty animal. But, in all actuality, he was probably one of the most restrained individuals during that time!

[@alemhukic294]

Heard that in the Word Bearers trilogy a chaos lord and his terminator guards took down a imperator titan. Would be interesting to cover.

[@zgmfx-09a]

This!!!!!!!!!

[@Nhosto]

The one primarch for whom deamonhood was actuslly an improvement.

[@christophercombs7561]

Not really now hes permanently made a slave

[@Nhosto]

@@christophercombs7561 He always was a slave, now he got a pair of wings. It's a bargain.

[@christophercombs7561]

@@Nhosto i disagree that the primarchs were slaves you dont give slaves wide latitude and clearly lethal weapons

[@Demigodish4o3]

@@christophercombs7561 I think he meant in a more metaphorical way, a slave to his nails and to his anger, which is exactly what Guilliman says in the fight.

[@christophercombs7561]

@@Demigodish4o3 yeah thats true i think had they made it through the great crusade or the ham webway big E could have saved him

[@100thMkey]

Damn, Guilliman nailed it... pun intended. just like when he called out Mortarian too.

[@clintbarger8990]

A great series and info on a character that I was not well informed on.

[@gangstalkerofgangstalkers]

Thanks for the upload.

[@tabhamma4451]

Over all I'm a little sad we didnt get you reviewing the exact moment the warhounds became the world eaters, because that single monologue is my favorite hate filled moment within all of 30k and 40k setting "I will leave him a graveyard ". Over all super happy you've covered my 2 fav primarchs now, keep it up wolf lord! Blood for the blood god! Oh wait...you dont do that

[@worldeater2414]

Same! He didn't even talk about the great interaction when they first returned to Nuceria and Angron laughs.

[@nicholascerillo4000]

As tragic as Angron’s story is, I find it hard to get super invested in him because it feel like he was set up to fall from the very beginning. With how much he got screwed over by the Emps (for what feels like no reason), how could his story have ended any other way? I know we’ll probably never get a retcon, but I hope that we get a better explanation as to why the Emperor chose to condemn Angron’s fellow gladiators to death, and why it was impossible for the emperor to heal Angron after being implanted with the Nails.

[@Dyrbarn0825]

Ok so after the week i think angron deserve a redemption. I don't mean the "yay ive been saved now ill be a good boy and do what daddy say" i mean in such a way that impact not only the imperium but also chaos. Idk how but maybe help tyranids get a huge advantage where he give a big middle finger to both sides saying no more slavery. As for what if he was saved sooner and became loyal i think him, the khan and vulkan would of been greatest brothers trio the imperium would of seen. I would now be playing space marine as the "soul of angron" thanks to you keep up the good work

[@ianmcleod6428]

The man Angron died with his bothers and sisters. All they got was a shell of rage. I cannot find logic to blame Angron for what he has become. Angron warned his true father of what he shall get for stealing him of his honor. The man was going to die at Nuceria with the people he loved, or by the nails that was slowing killing whatever remains of the ghost/shell. Better to die with honor than die as a weapon for someone else.

[@nielsout2348]

Thank you, for telling Angron’s story....

[@CaptainWwowW]

The fact that Angron was designed to be an empath makes his fall hurt so much more

[@willsword8100]

of the primarchs, it saddens me how little agency Angron, from the nail to his legion, to his forced "Ascension". Angron letting past pains make him numb to any hope for the future. it is sad to think about. he never had a choice and when it was offered to him, her refused it.

[@dmastermanga]

What did he refuse exactly?

[@willsword8100]

@@dmastermanga to learn from the example that Russ tried to show him. That his was outright butchering everything, even his own sons.

[@dmastermanga]

@@willsword8100 That's fair, what's not is assuming there was anything left of Angron to feel numb about apart for rage. Angron is a product of a lifetime of physical/mental agony and permanently attached torture devices that drove him to a violent insanity. What's ultimately tragic is that it was not Nuceria or the nails that broke him, it was his father. He had warned the emperor he would be leaving with just his son's ghost after his decision of ripping Angron away from his true family who were about to die, like the wolves of Fenris is to Russ. His father coldly states that he was content with that prize. There was no part of Angron left to learn, there was only insane hatred left. You couldn't defend Angron's actions past the moment he was betrayed by the emperor, but you can't also give Russ or any critics ignorant of Angron's own life and betrayal from his father an easy pass for their blind presumptions of what their brother was at that point even capable of doing. "*Russ kept his kin-friends*. The Lion kept Luther. Humans - brothers and foster fathers - saved and raised into Legion ranks. But not me. Not Angron, no. Did the Emperor teleport his gold-wrapped Custodians down to help me and my army? No. Did he free the War Hounds and order them to battle, fight alongside me? No. Did he save my brothers and sisters the way he spared and honoured the Lion's closest kin? The way he honoured Kor Phaeron? No, no and no. No mercy for Angron. Angron the Oathbreaker. Angron the Betrayer."

[@causticenforcer8792]

This week easily made angron my second favorite primarch

[@warrenmckenzie7895]

When I listened to his transformation in the book I got chills

[@mrswb]

"The reason that the song was so out of tune was that Fate itself was laughing at him"

[@KillTeamHungary]

Clearly, the one responsible for this tragic fate of a noble soul is the Emperor...

[@dmastermanga]

yes. This lore remains as one of the most contentious one because of the seemingly out of season heel-turn by the Emperor. While all the other primarchs were treated by a father just reunited to his sons, Angron was treated by one that had flesh, yet had the soul of a god-corpse completely stripped of his humanity the emperor would become in the future.

[@IstvanThree]

You should totally update your playlists - I would kindly suggest. There´s alot of content which would be so suited for a little organizing 👍 That said - keep up your work, I like to listen to your clips ✌

[@vynal187theunseen3]

12:12 Wolf lord rho: I don’t think there’s a primarch story who could be more tragic than Angron’s Konrad curze: am I a joke to you?

[@TheGRAclan]

Half way through betrayer. Gonna see if I can finish it them come back to watch.

[@thetsarofall8666]

In the case of angron, i think we can certainly say that its the fault of nurture, not nature.

[@dmastermanga]

And a big ol' stab in the front by Big E. not back, no. front. Big E. bluntly states to him that he was content with leaving with just a "ghost" of his son. If I was a slave all my life, then someone who claims to be my father deprived me from what was left of my humanity could define as its most crucial moment to hastily get me to committing more genocides, that entity claiming to be my father may as well have admitted to being my new slavemaster and I a tool.

[@skiames]

For G-man not being the best fighter he Held his own long enough against two primarchs

[@Demigodish4o3]

Kurze has stated that the longer you fight G-man, the better he gets at predicting and countering you. And I'd call Angron and Lorgar 2 of the most predictable primarchs.

[@BaldyAngry]

@@Demigodish4o3 nope ANgron is not predictable ,he is a berserker with a disregard for his own life and safety he would do anything to kill his enemy , even Russ stated that ,that angron cannot be predicted .

[@Demigodish4o3]

@@BaldyAngry dang, that's true that Leman said so. I guess I just find it difficult to understand why. Being unpredictable has nothing to do with Angron and Khorne. Best I can guess is that in his rage, Angron just starts thrashing around randomly, but...isn't that easy to see coming?

[@lynnusuk2092]

Ekter being unpredictable is khorne, he’s might be a god of slaughter but he’s also a god of war, being predictable makes you worse at fighting wars. Just because his main marines are blood lusting berserkers doesn’t mean everyone else that worship him can’t strategize as long as you don’t use deception on those trusted you and be honorable he’s fine with it, look at the blood pact guys

[@MiniatureMasterClass]

@@BaldyAngry You don't know much about actual combat. More more angry you can make your opponent, the easier they are to predict. Ali Vs. Foreman is a textbook example of this.

[@THEBIGE.]

good job rho . very interesting

[@LemanoftheRussVI]

Great primarch week Well done

[@OldWitchDoctor]

Ooooooh, who lives in a gift voucher under the sea? Wolf Lord Rho-pants!

[@khayon9302]

Angron a villain you can sympathise with. Black library really need to do more with angron and his tragic backstory

[@Butonz1]

Even if it's not part of Angron week can we get some Lotara love? 'FIRE THE URSUS CLAWS!"

[@randomcenturion7264]

A woman so badass, she shot a World Eater in the face with a las pistol, gave him a stern talking to and won the respect of every World Eater on the ship.

[@worldeater2414]

@@randomcenturion7264 Delvarius. A amazing bit of Betrayer.

[@justinanderson2460]

Angron's words to Guilliman in this scene is one of the sickest burns in Warhammer 40k - funnily enough, in the same way Perturabo's words to Angron when they fight after this are is also one of the sickest burns in 40k. . Having said that, Angron had his life saved by Lorgar but was also condemned to slavery to Khorne. I think at this point, he wouldn't have seen it as slavery though, he'd see it as finally being "gifted" his freedom and all the more power to wreak havoc against his enemies. I just can't help but think of all hat could have been if the Emperor had of helped instead of captured and enslaved Angron in that first meeting.

[@Anathema308]

Mortarion and Angron moaned about their world's. Baal is a death world but you don't hear Sanguinius moaning. Caliban and Nocturne aren't much better. I really don't like ADB's portrayal of Guilliman. He gets portrayed as a second rate tactical chump rather than the tactical genius he's otherwise written as.

[@arbeione]

Angron has always been my favourite Primarch. In my opinion he probably had the most strained relationship with the emperor, if you can even call it a relationship. I think the way the emperor treated Angron is his biggest mistake. There are so many “what if’s” regarding Angron. Unfortunately I don’t think we.’lol ever get any answers.

[@quaid8]

Jarl Rho you are the best love your channel.

[@Erikjust]

Personally i would love to see Deamon Primarch Angron return to the physical realm. Though if he does, don´t make him some monster of pure rage, that thinks of nothing else but Maim, kill and burn! in other words don´t make him the stereotypical Khorne berserker. Yes he is a servant of the blood god, yes Khorne wants blood and skulls. But come on give Angron a mind of his own, wouldn´t it be a great story if Angron returned and everyone thought they would be facing nothing but a bunch of crazy berskers deadly in combat sure, but easily out maneuvered and tricked, only to be caught off guard as Angron leads his world eaters with both guile and tactics. Maybe Khorne gave Angron a gift a way to quiet the nails in his World Eaters skull or at least give them all the advantages of the nails and none of the disadvantages. Suddenly the Ultramarines are facing a legion not of mindless berserkers, but cunning warriors lead by Angron. Maybe have him go up against Gulliman and have Angron beat Gulliman within an inch of his life, before being bale to retreat.

[@NueThunderKing]

I don’t think in the lore Angron needs any tactics, he is a monster so big (in size and in actual danger) that he could charge headfront anything, including Titans, and he would still get things done. He almost doesn’t need any guile, because he always was a the most dangerous CQ foe the Emperor made, plus with the “gifts” of Khorne it is almost impossible to stop it (even for Mary Sues Grey Knights).

[@Erikjust]

@@NueThunderKing I disagree his lack of tactics cost him Armageddon. also i don´t want Angron to appear as some form of mindless monster. Have him be an Angron who have ascended above the nails, who while still a monster in Close Combat knows how to use his powers to win battles.

[@Kiickman]

you need to listen to this book on audio. the acting is the best ever.

[@dings215]

i thought him 2 dimensional... now he seems the most tragically layered primarch.

[@user-cz4tk2vr9i]

Rho... Build me a Throne of Skulls...

[@Xenophon122088]

Amazing read! Such a painful story.

[@danieltucker3506]

Great stuff. needs more Corax doh

[@Blipvertus]

I’ve never been sympathetic to the traitor legions or primarchs but I do actually feel sorry for Angron. What a tragedy.

[@MiniatureMasterClass]

This really cements for me that the GW narrative doesn't make much sense. The current game/lore really should be Guilliman Vs. Lorgar and not Abbadon.

[@TheHandofDestiny]

The word bearers are the main rivals of the ultramarines but GW hasn't done a good job of writing them lately, the word bearers and lorgar were written amazingly well in the heresy but now they don't do anything

[@giorgigogolashvili3097]

In the year 40k a lone Rune Priest discovers a vast archive. It is full of ancient litanies called 'vouchers' dating all the way back to the Age of Terra. More puzzling, however, was the inscription upon the Vault: "Wolf Lord Rho". No such Wolf Lord is recorded in sagas or Imperial records. Some trickery is suspected.

[@Dreadbringer]

I wonder what could happen if the nails were installed in a Perpetual like Vulkan

[@kenb7051]

So if angron f***ed up this bad what did the 2nd and 11th do?

[@tamahodgson7267]

Why don't you tells us more about the strength of Angron that Betrayer shows us. In you Angron videos you keep talking about other Primarchs, I wish you would give more focus on who Angron is, and the insight of his character this book gives. And I wish you'd talk about Lhorke point of veiw when he saw his Primarch fight Robute. Angron's strength and fury had chainswords match powerfists, and that's bloody impresive. And there is so much more, like when he took on the weight of a warhound titan. I like hearing about what he could have been, but I'd love to dive deeper into what who he became.

[@G4rr0.]

I stopped reading Horus Heresy novels ages ago, how is Lorgar such a bad tactician as to not expect Guiliman to turn up? He thought Guiliman hated him - he was wrong, but if the guy that hates you is a genetically perfect killing machine then maybe set a trap? That's what Daemon-Fulgrim did and it nearly worked

[@eyeof3ndr364]

I mean. Calth happened. That was Lorgar's idea, and at that point the Ultramarines and Guilliman were out for blood after that, it was to be expected.

[@G4rr0.]

@Dionysus’ Grapes fair enough, as I say I stopped buying the books when I realised I wasn't going to read 90% ever again. Stuck to 40k since.

[@G4rr0.]

@Dionysus’ Grapes ah yes: Don't tell the boss bad news when you have no good news to report as well

[@omegon3286]

Angron is one of my favorite Primarchs but very sad his story

[@trolldrool]

Lorgar truly wanted the best for Angron. I've never gotten the impression that he only saw him as a tool. The problem is that what he thought would bring Angron freedom was based on a lie. His entire belief system was built on the belief that the gods wanted symbiosis with humanity. From his perspective, he was helping his brother become a holy being. The problem is of course that the gods never wanted symbiosis. The relationship between Argel Tal and Raum feels like a form of symbiosis in Betrayer (certainly alot more than it does in TFH), which actually makes me wonder if Raum was created for this very purpose to make the lie more convincing. But Argel Tal and Raum were an exception. Lorgar was fooled and Angron paid the price.

[@SamG2]

I love Malice! “We shall deny Nurgle their flesh to fester and rot. We shall deny Khorne their blood and skulls. We shall deny Tzeentch their destinies and fates. We shall deny Slaanesh their pleasure and pain. Death to the Dark Gods! For the Renegade God! Let the galaxy burn!”

[@jimminey-fooking-cricket4903]

More tragic then Angron Ahm hello Primarch 2 and 11 here.

[@codyheckler5803]

😭😭😭😭😭

[@alecspinzon6867]

WE DO NOT SPEAK OF THEM!!

[@UkletiHolandjanin-pd1bf]

Who?

[@Wimpiethe3]

As long as we don't know what happened who knows.

[@nogodsnomasters7669]

Imagine how terrible the lost two Primarchs were as the Big E did not believe that Angron or Cruz deserved to be destroyed even though outside forces had sent them into madness damning two entire legions.

[@johnroxburgh4087]

It's a shame you would think the emperor would have did some thing about it but he just left it

[@bingorobins1010]

Vouchers for the voucher god!

[@leatherjacket9]

Lorgar is right. Saying that Guilliman's use of the word "world" as an interpretation meaning the imperium is a bit of an unjust stretch in an attempt to make Guilliman seem correct.

[@BBlueu2]

It's always amusing to hear a mortal loyalist dog and slave, call an ascended being a "slave for eternity". When now these gods have eternal lives to do what they love and do best. They've been liberated. Let the Word of truth be known across all the galaxy!🔥☠️🔥

[@horatio_]

Thanks Rho

[@jamesthompson3023]

my fav 40k book good work

[@tankster99]

Agron is my second favorite primemark next to the Kahn

[@ternel]

I wonder what big e had in mind long term for angron. It was clear he was a problem. After the crusade what did he plan to do? Its the same problem with Curze. What did the emperor plan for them? Horus was right when he said the emperor planned on having at least some of the 'retired'

[@michaelhowell2326]

ADB should be put in the Black Library Hall of Fame. Jonathan Keeble should be inducted for his narrator skills too. Matt Ward should be stripped of all honors and titles for what he did to the Grey Knights.

[@jsmiami]

I'll never understand how the emperor could not remove the butcher's nails

[@michaelhunt3332]

@Isakur the emperor didn't want to. He knew Angron was a better weapon with the nails then without them.

[@kelman727]

Because the implantation cut away and replaced part of his brain. Remove the nails, he dies.

[@michaelhunt3332]

@@kelman727 I don't think that is entirely true. I read a section where an encounter with the emperor was told to the eyes of a citizen. He had a bum arm from birth and, upon seeing the arm, the emperor said " heal " and the arm was restored. So I think he had the capability to take the nails out and still save Angron.