HORUS MEETS THE GODS OF CHAOS!

Hi all Wolf Lord Rho here!
Today we finish Horus Week! And my what a finish we have... Today we discuss Horus entering the realm of Chaos, and meeting the Ruinous Powers!
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[@mcmarkmarkson7115]

Horus: I've got the power! Emperor: Feeling lucky, punk?

[@bryanbarcelo5440]

The Emperor: i've got the high ground, Horus! Horus: you underestimate my power The Emperor: don't try it _skip to Horus being obliterated_

[@Big_E_Soul_Fragment]

Don't do Chaos, kids

[@Duppyman695]

"Just say NO"

[@paulhuston9991]

Chaos is bad, mmmmkay.

[@Fanatic808]

Don’t be a square and do chaos!

[@dollarsignmexican]

@@Fanatic808 But only for she who thirsts kids.

[@TherealSBlair]

Hey! I don't have a problem! You have a problem! I only use it for medicinal purposes.

[@negativezero8174]

It’s interesting to note that even though they are Primarchs they are only a few hundred years old by the time Horus rebelled. They’re naive. There are loyalist space marines today that are older and wiser than the Primarchs were back then.

[@Astavyastataa]

Damn. That actually puts this into a lot of perspective.

[@magnuscoles5010]

yeah you are right, Dante is like 1200 years old

[@georgehancock1191]

a lot of the space marines from Terra are older than the primarchs as well (unless you include the years for which the primarchs were being created)

[@edalmirneto4246]

@@georgehancock1191 and custodians

[@SilentHotdog28]

@@magnuscoles5010 If you count Dreadnoughts, which why wouldn't you? (since they are still technically alive.) Bjorn the Fell Handed is over 10 000 years old, he was alive during the Horus Heresy.

[@Uploaded1995]

I feel like Horus stepping into the Warp and then coming out thinking he took all the power to himself, as opposed to having it granted to him, was a big fat "Just as planned"-moment for the Chaos Gods. He is much stronger with that mentality than if he had been subservient.

[@TheMadJack]

I like to think that The Emperor truly took power from Chaos (unlike Horus who was tricked). It is why Big E is able to grant true death to The Neverborn, he truly bested them and so became The Anathema.

[@dee-wreck]

Emperor = Malal

[@Kristian.B.Kristiansen]

No, Horus makes the same mistake Magnus made, thinking he bested the powers in the Warp, so that he now own their power. That is apparently a trick, the Pantheon really likes.

[@danielavalsangiacomo6691]

Unless it’s a giant golden man holding a solid gold UNO reverse card to their faces, hu...

[@Nekrovol]

You know the saying, "the biggest trick the devil pulled was to convince people he didn't exist." Evil powers underselling themselves to come off as harmless or vanquishable are dangerously deceitful.

[@patrickpersianni5314]

Kristian Kristiansen Magnus problem was hypocrisy, that other chapters can use magic but him and Ahriman cannot? And Horus lied to space wolfs got Tsons nearly died, magus had problems with library’s beening burnt down losing knowledge, and if emperor talk to magus of way he did what he did, and he was trick by Horus, whole thing could have been avoided, but emperor was so into in his projects, he lost he awareness ,

[@forrestdorman4870]

The only being alive to have EVER bested the chaos gods is the emperor and Horus is not and will never be him.

[@gabrielm.942]

Kristian Kristiansen yeah they really didn’t like it when Big E did the same right back to them lol.

[@Ghost3210]

"Hey demons, it's your boi..." - Horus after snorting too much warpdust

[@joevines3428]

You see me now a veteran of a thousand psychic wars.

[@MrRigmunkee1]

In my opinion, one of the best songs ever written. An excellent connection.

[@joevines3428]

@@MrRigmunkee1I love it too, it's very 40k.

[@garysuarez9614]

BÖC for real has it.

[@cactuscoe9096]

"I'm above the Gods, no, I'm beneath, no I think I'm above..." It feels like the story of Archaon

[@mikey_vengenz]

Archaon actually hates the chaos gods. Chaos is a means to an end for him. Whether he's an unwitting pawn or a true champion of chaos undivided, he's not a bootlicker to the chaos gods. If anything, he maintains more of himself in his power than Horus. Abaddon echos Archaon more than Horus.

[@mikeypark2917]

@@mikey_vengenz this is so true and I’m pretty sure GW did this intently but yet a lot of people still view Archaon more equal to Horus

[@TherealSBlair]

A story centering on Horus and his time in the warp would be most welcome but there are two sets of stories I've been dying to hear for years. One we'll likely never get. That being the tale of the two lost legions. The other however, it's at least a possibility. The tales of the loyalist Primarchs during their long exiles/journeys. Corax hunting in the warp. Russ conducting his search. The Great Khan wondering the Webway. These are the stories that tantalize my imagination. Thanks for a heck of an enjoyable week Wolf Lord!

[@josephjohnson5415]

The two lost legions were always meant so players could make their own... and I truly hope that if game workshop ever makes mention of them, that the illicit fan response to help craft their ill fated stories. As for the other three, we know corax was hunting logar would cowardly hides in his tower. I would love to see him searching for the spirit of night haunter, who I personally have hiding behind the golden throne. Leman Russ should be a prisoner of tzeench, who hunts the spirit of russ with in his own body. Lastly the Khan should still be in the web way, and slaughtering daemons so eldar can repair sections, in the Hope's that the emperor's final dream can be realized before tyrants eat everything. Other primarchs like Ferus manus should be a minotaur spirit that leads the legion of the damned and the angel sanguiness should defend the emperors golden throne in the warp, but also lend his power to his angelic martyrs of the sisterhood. Oh and Dorn should be sleeping on the TAU homeworld dreaming of progress and the greater good. To which the etherals unknowingly tapped into.

[@lordgaben7583]

Vulkan in the deep dark void of regeneration

[@josephjohnson5415]

@@lordgaben7583 Vulkan is the next primary they should bring back but it needs to be suitably heroic... as his sons unbind the flame to craft a new excalibur type sword for the emperor brother... something like that.

[@sevatarlives185]

The two lost legions should never, ever be developed. Aside from being specifically written in to allow players to insert their OC's, the fact that there's two glaring holes in the list of the first 20 Legions, who were erased from memory in a way even the Traitors were not, gives the 40k Universe a little touch of genuine wonder. The untouched mystery is worth more than one cash-in book, or, even worse, a summer campaign with a badly thought out new subfaction.

[@logandelaharpe6317]

@@josephjohnson5415 russ went after nurgle and would never get caught by a nerd

[@darkinnovator2479]

Horus: "Chaos was a terrible idea..." *after a moment of denial* "A terribly great idea!" Tzeentch: "Well... that played out ~JUST as planned~!"

[@Fanatic808]

It matters not how it pans out... it’s always JUST AS PLANNED!

[@darkinnovator2479]

@@Fanatic808 Indeed. Oh wait... Grandpa Nergal is ruining your plans again with an unscheduled new disease, hahaha.

[@Fanatic808]

Dark Innovator eh let him, I have contingency plans planned around his little plague! In the end it is still just as planned!

[@darkinnovator2479]

@@Fanatic808 That is fair, after all... only the Anathema has ever unhinged your plans, right?

[@Fanatic808]

Dark Innovator thats what I want you to think hehehehe

[@CAP198462]

To paraphrase Q Primordial Annihilator: You hit me, the Anathema never hit me. Horus: I’m not the Emperor Primordial Annihilator: indeed not, you’re much easier to provoke.

[@HigherMammal]

Even if he did dominate the gods, being dominated is probably kind of Slaanesh's thing.

[@lordlucius1341]

Slaanesh: OOH YES BIG BOY SMASH ME WITH YOUR WORLD SMASHER! Horus: the fuck....

[@Shadowhunterbg]

The Emperor one shoted Horus when he realized that he is truly gone for good, the gods fear the Emperor and i seriously doubt that Horus, the spoiled brat that he is, was something more than a toy, a tool for the Ruinous powers. I bet that Tzeentch had a good laugh out of this. I would have. Being a Chaos god that can destroy Horus with a snap of my fingers i would find it very amusing to make him believe that he actually beat me. Just like toying with an ant.

[@KyussSpeed-sg5je]

Lol okay hun

[@power_SERG]

Damn, this would make such an amazing animation (Heavy Metal 2000/Spawn HBO style). Imagine him entering the realm of Chaos, go through a whole season worth of content with countless fights and struggles. Then, at the end when he finally comes out, it continues where his son's where waiting in a way where you could take the first episode and edit it together flawlessly to appear as if none of it happened, and all you see is Horus step in and step out changed.

[@randomcenturion7264]

Horus meets the four Reality Tumors that ruin everything.

[@svagglaorde4387]

Horus: This is me one day on Chaos. Horus: This is me one week on Chaos. Horus: This is me one month on Chaos. Horus: This is me one year on Chaos. Horus: This is me one century on Chaos. Horus: This is me one millennia on Chaos. Mortarion: Brother what happened? You were only gone one second ago inside the warp and now you look old. Horus: *I AM A GOD*

[@hectorandem2944]

The Entire Galaxy: *O O F* ⚰️

[@rhysburgess9018]

Horus becomes known as 'The Sacrificial King', that tells you everything you need to know I'd say.

[@Gnarlf]

I would believe, that they tested him and each god wanted Horus to bow his knee to him, but he didn't force them. He might have been stubborn enough to not become the plaything of a single chaos god, but he is the puppet of them all. He danced to their tune without knowing it and they only ever gave him, what they wanted him to have. What they needed him to have even. After all, Horus was ment to destroy their enemy for them. No matter what Horus thought would happen, after his victory, the galaxy would have been theirs for the taking.

[@BinaTremblay]

@Devon Crusader they don't "want" they need that slow death. An Horus Victory would have meant a blood feast for deamon that would have end all human life, and thus wasted all the food.

[@papanurgle8393]

He sold off pieces of his soul to each one, they're still in the Warp doing tasks for em.

[@greypilgrim228]

​@Devon Crusader Exactly, a slow death was better for chaos than an outright victory for Horus. Notice how even with all this newfound power Horus had, when it came to the final battle, the Emperor still snuffed out his soul and unmade him. Granted it took Him a while to realise His son was gone completely, but eventually it happened. That's because Horus is merely a strong genetically engineered human with psykic powers infused into his DNA. The Emperor is the reincarnation of all the psykers, shamans and wise men of Ancient Terra, and would be 37,000 years old by this point in the Heresy. When he gained his powers from chaos on Molek he'd have been 5000 or 10,000 years younger (I forget now, it's been a while since I read Vengeful Spirit). So that's a genetically engineered human with some psykic power, vs an ancient 30,000 odd year old perpetual with thousands of lifetimes worth of psykic energy and memories. Based on this alone Horus had no chance, even if neither of them had entered the portal on Molek. Aside from giving us a lot of great info on the Emperor, Horus and the Emperor's ascendency yada yada etc., the whole book is meaningless, just Horus falling deeper into depravity and becoming a pawn of chaos. This crusade for Molek didn't help him at all when it mattered.

[@inthefade]

@@greypilgrim228 psychic.

[@greypilgrim228]

@@inthefadeedit, ahh I slipped up 2 years ago, it's psyker, not spyker. I'll edit my old post accordingly. A spyker (with an S) is a psyker forcibly created by Necromunda's House Delaque, while a psyker (with a P) is someone with psychic abilities that range in scope from the tiny to the epic extremely powerful that are wanted by the Black Ships and Silent Sisterhood.

[@KaiserAfini]

The greatest weakness of Horus was his pride. If he thinks everything was his idea and that the power was achieved via his efforts alone, then his mind becomes pliable, compliant. That is, unless he had something to create or replicate the power of Blanks, such as a perfected version of an Animus Speculum and a psychic hood. But nothing so far suggests it, so he is likely a puppet dancing to the tune of his chaotic masters.

[@deven6518]

I do feel that the wars he'd have fought would be more of a proving gounds than taking the power by force. After all, the chaos gods had a few primarchs to choose from had he failed.

[@catnium]

maybe 2 already failed before.. remember the missing brothers and their chapters ..

[@richardhowford4780]

Horus: Put in a good word for me, yeah? Red Angel: K

[@dominicomegon4714]

The Hyperbolic Timechamber 40k style.

[@mr.smithsgovermentclass4556]

Mr. Popo: Hi !

[@dominicomegon4714]

@@mr.smithsgovermentclass4556 KAMI, NOOOOOO

[@TheShepherd2305]

Thats exactly what I was thinking lol

[@anotherperson2627]

Hypersonic lion tamer?

[@far0145]

But more Grimdark

[@dizZyPoS]

It's pretty clear to me that the Chaos Gods lured Horus into the warp to shape him into a warrior that could truly go head to head with the Emperor, because let's face it, up to this point he would have probably just been crushed if they were to meet.

[@QenaitheCustodianGuard]

Before his chaos-amp the emperor would have unmade him in an instant if we are talking strictly power level. He did it with little difficulty but some effort in their last fight aswell When he fucking erased Horus out of existence. So not really sure the power up really helped horus much when it came down to just raw power.

[@logandelaharpe6317]

@@QenaitheCustodianGuard power up did nothing emps was holding back the whole time

[@QenaitheCustodianGuard]

@@logandelaharpe6317 Horus clearly did not match his fathers power really. But they (authors, gw) needed to remove the emperor from the lore to progress the story, so that is what they did.

[@kelman727]

@@QenaitheCustodianGuard They’re still powering him up during the siege.

[@Writh811]

I think what Horus perceived as him taking the power was actually his test. Chaos was setting him against their collective greatest fear and if Horus was to be their agent they would need to test him, and groom him. The man waged war along side demons, that no doubt changed his thinking and approach, made it more inline with Chaos.

[@jasonpatrignani4717]

I think this opens up the argument for who is better between Horus and Abbadon, and then utterly destroys the comparison possibility. The only thing that Abbadon has on Horus is that he got to watch everything that Horus went through, and then has a hindsight view on how to handle the shenanigans of the pantheon. This snippit also helps fill in the picture of how, as the story progresses toward the siege, that Horus is able to use his abilities to move through timelines and have essentially psychic jousting matches with the Emperor.

[@papanurgle8393]

You're telling me that a Primarch has more abilities than an Astartes? Fascinating.

[@jasonpatrignani4717]

@@papanurgle8393 Silence warp spawn!

[@mikediamond1234]

Abaddon is not Horus, he is different than his primarch. He’s been the warmaster for ten thousand years, not just a few hundred. He did it all on his own and without the same help that the emperor and legions provided Horus with. Abaddon had to start from scratch, he’s also a hell of a lot smarter than his primarch as he grows to be hundreds of lifetimes older, and experiences more, even having all the experiences from the days of conquering the galaxy and the heresy itself.

[@jasonpatrignani4717]

Abaddon is a Space Marine, plain and simple, with some nice toys. You all forget that while it's really cool to say he's been Warmaster for "10,000 years" the time in the warp doesn't follow physics. When Abaddon emerged from the eye the first time he had aged maybe a few decades and Sigismund had aged hundreds of years. So the argument that he has had all of this extra experience is entirely void. Bjorn has been around for literally 10,000 years and has fought everything that has be introduced to the galaxy including Abaddon. Does that mean he's more powerful than Russ? Not a chance

[@kelman727]

...and all I got was this novelty mug.

[@redasylum]

He was thoroughly played we know because it was only the Emperor who at the final moment could banish the chaos powers from Horus. No one else. Not even Horus himself.

[@SawyerKnight]

The Hubris of Horus.

[@paulhuston9991]

Horus was there to be tested, heck the second string was already standing outside the gate with mortarion, if any of the primarchs were messed up enough to go in there, stuborn enough to hang in the testing, and resilent enough to take the beating it would be him. He turned to save his sons from nurgals plagues and if not for his sons i think he could have dealt with anything. Horus wasnt the gods first choice i dont think,that was sanguinius, and they worked it so there was a double A batter in the box in case horus jones struck out. I doubt his performances were enought to "take" the powers of chaos undevided in his mental state, but i think they it was good enough that he proved he was a more viable choice to them than the angle or russ or even the other traitors. So they gave it to him. The other traitors were broken, horus said so himself, at this point mortarion and luprical are the only 2 traitors not on a mad crusade, off the reservation on their own schemes or just out of their nugget so dar the gods couldnt use them. And of the loyalists, they knew they couldnt tempt the ones they wanted, manus proved that as well, he was the most open and yet they couldnt. And big E knew it. The only wild card was magnus, but already pledged to tzench and battered silly he was off the clock. So horus was quite probably their only real option and mortarion was a boobie prize contingency if he couldn't cut it. I think his straight dogged determination in everything, his desire to succed no matter the damage or cost, even in his political actions, would have stood him well as chaos warmaster. Thats why he was there, he would have been beligerant enough, down right scary enough to his other brothers as the death lord and powerful enough with the gods behind him to make a decent play of it. But with horus, he was left to grandpa since the other 3 had no desire for him after they backed the warmaster. Thats just my view though.

[@paulhuston9991]

@Devon Crusader i love him too. He gets all the flack because he is a literal knockoff of death lol

[@TheHound402]

Mortarian lacks charisma. Sanguinius doesn't, but lacks ambition. Their first choice likely was Horus, or maybe The Lion.

[@uchnsn]

i think since we know how it ends and horus him self shows his emotions moments before the emperor kills him. once he was under the influence of chaos he wasn't really himself anymore i don't think most of what he saw was truth. just what the gods wanted him to see.

[@jimminey-fooking-cricket4903]

If Horus had failed would he have been returned? The God's do not suffer fool's. Though Horus as a chaos spawn is a sight to behold in my head.

[@dawall3732]

The real problem with Horace and the biggest difference between him and his father. Is that Horace went into the warp seeking to become a god. To take the power of God's for himself. The emperor did not. The emperor always had the intention of defeating the Gods. He did not go there looking for the God's power. He went there looking for more. This is displayed in some of the shorter works. The Works that have the gods be confused and intimidated by someone who just shows up after passing their challenges without them even knowing it. This is how the emperor did it. Such as the little girl who walked through the maze.

[@AntonSlavik111]

Can you remember which works it was.

[@danielavalsangiacomo6691]

Da Wall the emperor be like.. warp hu nice place, nice power, do not mind me, let’s drain this place of all and any power of “order” hmm k’, place looking kinda shit now, time to seal this junkyard up for good, yes. .. k bye...

[@dawall3732]

@Belagerungsmörser the Sheep speech to text.

[@dawall3732]

@@AntonSlavik111 it's been a few years. Just look up 40K child in the maze.

[@dawall3732]

@@AntonSlavik111 I just looked it up 40K theories did a video on it. Go to his channel and look up "child of the crystal Labyrinth". I would point out that the emperor has a habit of using the form of a little girl as an avatar.

[@user-cq1cw8xz7f]

He was the toy of chaos! If he had taken the powers by force, it'd be easy for the chaos gods to take it back like they did at the end when he LOST

[@Fanatic808]

Ahhh yes Molek another just as planned moment by yours truly

[@far0145]

"Tzeentch magic sux lol" -Blood God

[@michaelhowell2326]

I wonder why the Emporor didn't just destroy Molek if it was such a danger to Humanity? Did he plan to use it again later or was not able to destroy it?

[@nitinkhoshya5012]

Emperor was a fraud , he wanted to be a god . He lied to us all . Death to the corpse Emperor

[@Fanatic808]

Yes yes yes death to the emperor! JUST AS PLANNED!

[@power_SERG]

*BLAM*

[@-Gilver]

Hubris? Delusion? Assurance? Who knows?

[@michaelhowell2326]

@@nitinkhoshya5012 you are wrong and will suffer for heretical transgressions. The Emporor protects. He protects his own, that is.

[@TheShepherd2305]

I think they worded it just fine. This way its up to us to imagine what kind of training he went through for him to become more powerful. Its kind of like if you dont see the monster in a movie it makes it scarier, if we dont see the training we imagine it to be more powerful. Love the vids btw, keep up the great work! Could you do more Ultramarine stuff? I know, I'm biased like you are for the Wolves lol.

[@Shabbyorange101]

You made this all so exciting with the delivery, nice one dude.

[@Xenophon122088]

I totally want to read a short story, or novel, of Horus in the warp. Great video!

[@vitalijssmirnovs4330]

Ty for that short story :) Love horus and Fulgrim wish to hear more about them :))))

[@samhobbs9116]

Last time I was this early the mournival still existed

[@TheGRAclan]

Garviel 😥

[@goingforgold_8536]

For me, his time in the warp was just a test of the Pantheon. They needed to be sure he was worthy of the power, and what is a few hundreds years to the ruinous powers? If it meant to insure they found the right champion, then nothing. While I do believe Horus did “earn” his power, it’s only because not being worthy would have meant certain death, (or worse if he failed in Slaneesh’s kingdom 😳)

[@Gnarlf]

I am more concerned, that he didn't "fail" their. Horus was a naughty boy.

[@joevines3428]

Some parts of Slaanesh's realm are not so bad. Like the beach that's so perfect and peacfull, most forget why they came, they loose the will to leave and turn to sand themselves 🤔 that still a shit fate but could be a lot worse.

[@Gnarlf]

@@joevines3428 So basicaly Horus doesn't like sand then? Maybe because it is coarse and rough and irritating? :P

[@billyherrington5112]

@@joevines3428 and after that their souls are tormented and their screams become beatifull serenade you hear on that beach

[@connorludnow6328]

OH BABY! Choas undivided incomming!

[@Nyctophora]

Horus' Training Montage! Thank you for an epic week of Horus :)

[@Traitorsaviour]

What if Horus took on the name of sigmar when he stepped through the gate? All of fantasy and aos is just his whacky warp tainted adventures

[@Kristian.B.Kristiansen]

We see in the Book; Slaves to Darkness, that Horus did not leave the Warp intact. He left the best, purest and noblest part of his soul in the warp, fighting Khornes eternal war, walking Big Birds Krystal Labyrinth and so on. When Russ strikes him with the Emperor's spear in Wolfsbane, the subjugated part of his soul (the one he had back out with him) is weakened, and he's noble self fights the God's. To save his mortal body, his eqarry "Mal" kills the noble part of his soul saying; Lupercal is dead, Horus rises!

[@randomcenturion7264]

Broke my heart, that part. The last piece of the good man Horus once was, gone forever.

[@Kristian.B.Kristiansen]

@@randomcenturion7264 Me to, but Mal knew that Horus had come to far not to see the fight to the end, no matter the cost.

[@randomcenturion7264]

@@Kristian.B.Kristiansen Yeah. I'm glad that, at the very least, Good-Guy Horus died with a son who loved him very much.

[@garvielloken10th]

Waited for this all week!

[@Duppyman695]

Which was just a second within the warp!

[@yeoldchief7711]

Horus was weak, he was a fool. This we all know.

[@kylekats88]

I own or have read most of these books, but thank you for your reading and interpretation of it all

[@chrisbennett6236]

Oh yeah, Horus did exactly what the Chaos gods wanted him to do and they stroked his ego the entire time. The fact that they are still manipulating saps, many with the same method, only proves he was a puppet with delusions standing. Horus should have stayed the hero course as only then was he truly making his own mark.

[@lionzpride7779]

I LUV YOUR VIDEOS SO MUCH.... PLEASE KEEP DOING THESE VIDEOS....U HAVE A TALENT THAT WHAT U ARE SAYING , GIVES ME GUSEBUMPS.....sry for my englisch , im from germany berlin

[@bestofmoh]

Thanks for all your videos bro You really help us the folks who can't get the novel or warhammer books thank you very much brother

[@Max-zr7hr]

Great video as always and wonderful storytelling. I'm trying to find all the other Horus week videos too. I wish they were numbered or maybe all in a playlist on your channel. --But it's not that hard to find anyway thanks again for all the great content.

[@st1mp0]

4th time I've hd to listen to this. Keep falling asleep. Not from boredom but you voice has witchcraft levels to it dude! Thanks for the great job :)

[@daveeol1987]

Awesome narration

[@sirloin869]

the book "wolf's bane" states horus is still in the warp, fighting/scheming/rotting/fcuking forever; he never really left... still waiting on the zombie apokolypse

[@cobaltconner]

Good job as always bud

[@Sodamanonzo]

He was in the warp for a few moments, and he was in there forever. That’s the power of Chaos.

[@daverage4729]

Really enjoyed all these Horus stories this week. A novel, if not a trilogy, about Horus' time in the warp would definitely be worth a look.

[@negativezero8174]

I know your channel is small but please don’t stop what you’re doing. It really lets me gain an interest in books before I buy them.

[@leatherjacket9]

I would love to see more. Definitely manipulated by the Warp. Even Abaddon calls Horus a fool.

[@willumbermarchant5510]

I always imagine horus meeting the chaos gods and singing Shania twains 'that don't impress me much'

[@jdougs1117]

Of course Horus felt like he was in control; so far as he knows all the voices, the visions, everything was just petty magic tricks because big E never bothered to tell the primarchs how dangerous chaos really was

[@bw040690]

Apparently he fought wars with/for Chaos for hundreds of years in the warp when he went in, and when he came out was aged but had only been gone minutes when he came back into real space through the portal.

[@skywatcheradept]

Horus Week is not enough. We need more Horus than this.

[@tappingninja]

Change the nature of mankind and the power of the Chaos Gods would change as well, they can be manipulated from the materium if such a being were to ever change human nature COMPLETELY throughout the galaxy, an Imperium dedicated to the Greater Good model would be the Chaos Gods worse nightmare because they would have no more souls/energy to feed their collective power. Existence will eventually order itself through chaos and eventually all things find equilibrium in the end...

[@levyburns4163]

The fact that "Vengeful Spirit" had nothing more than a couple paragraphs about Horus-in-the-warp really ticked me off. Compare with the WH Fantasy Archaon novel, all kinds of interesting escapades there in the realm of chaos - made for an entertaining read.

[@brigandboy1425]

And yet... Horus paid a price. A large part of his soul is forever stuck in the warp, battling foes on behalf of the chaos gods. He gave up a part of himself in order to have the power he had in this scene. He is no better than his father. Worse, because at least the Emperor wasn't fooling himself.

[@tyronedavis5726]

Although the anathema has sat on the golden throne for thousands of years. Has he been secretly searching and fighting within the warp to piece his once beloved son Horus back together from the billions of soul fragments he shredded him into when he killed him aboard the Vengeful Spirit? Has the emperor been atoning for his own failures this whole time? Imagine Horus was only in the warp for but a few short moments. Now think of how time has passed if the emperor has been in there for over 10,000 years. It would be unfathomable. Yes I know he is still somewhat present in real time as he is the source of the astronomican beacon but he did just recently speak to his son Guilliman so he could be split between the warp and real time. Just a thought.

[@incrediblystoned4990]

Need a lot more

[@Duppyman695]

WoW ..... "he naw owned the title 'Warmaster'" and then the heresy really began. What an ending to Horus week. Only thing left to say "Death to the false Emperor"

[@rickconnolly5006]

Horus gained the power "Frew pyewer broowt strengff"

[@nathanwright5496]

As the red angel. Too powerful to kill, and yet so easy to manipulate. So much in this story is left untold.

[@michaelhowell2326]

Is Molek the reason Horus is bald? Did his incredible journey into the Warp gate age him into an old man?

[@SirAdrian87]

This little known lore but Horus was bald on purpose so Big E would have a means to destroy Horus soul: bald puns and bald dad jokes.

[@skywatcheradept]

Vulkan is bald too

[@michaelhowell2326]

@@skywatcheradept yeah but he's bald all over, like he shaves his head. Horus has hair on the sides but is bald on top.

[@buenapilapil5513]

@@skywatcheradept and Lorgar (and maybe also Angron)

[@skywatcheradept]

@@michaelhowell2326 Hair is very important in 40k. The only Space Marines that have their own codices: Blood Angels, Dark Angels and Space Wolves are the ones that have a Primarch with long blonde hair: Sanguinius, Lion and Russ. No codex for Vulkan, no codex for Dorn.

[@sammckissock]

What's the easiest way to get someone to do what you want them to? Easy, just let them think it was their own idea... Poor Horus never stood a chance. Daddy issues run DEEP in the Primarchs.

[@tiagoseverino8220]

Thank you for your videos, i really enjoy learning more and more about the lore from them :) but i have a question, is the site blacklibrary the oficial site from games workshop? I actually would love to start collecting 40k books, i see the audiobooks (i dont have interest in those since i want to collect them) and a symbol of a e and of a book. Which one shold i buy to get the book?..

[@daneliusdakontus9401]

This makes me think that the emperor obtained power and knowledge to create the primarchs in exchange of sharing the results with the Dark God. But as he refused, the Gods took what was theirs and that might be why some of the primarch are so weak against temptation because they were ment to fall in Chaos and that might be why the Emperor didn't want to reveal the existence of the Gods.

[@logandelaharpe6317]

You assume deal was made when emps just took what he wanted

[@chegorilla1468]

Paraphrase Horus: Fuck the Emperor, I'm gonna get mine!

[@johnwilliams9179]

Kids,this is your brain:🥚 This is your brain on chaos:🍳

[@alfonsoroque8637]

wow, i have no love for chaos. but i do want to see/hear of a story of Horus' time in the warp. even if in the end it was just an elaborate illusion of tzeentch that somehow made it all real to Horus. *looks at converting Abbaddon into Horus and getting Wrath and Rapture* 👀👀👀

[@curtisbrown547]

if you believe what big E says about chaos, and believe what he did than it stands to reason horus could have done similar. Big E always maintained that chaos was not all powerful, that the chaos gods were not "gods", and that they could each be bested. I believe horus did what he said, he took the gods an harnessed their power, he is the greatest son of the emperor after all. I think the difference between horus and anathema is how they handled the power. horus was arrogant and ended up right back where he started. he had all the power but he was still influenced by the gods. anathema had no such ego. the chaos gods had hedged their bets between horus and anathema knowing it was likely one of them would fall and destroy the other causing the imperium to fracture and the threat to regress regardless. I think the one thing they couldn't perdict was who would win if they fought. when the final battle came the chaos gods were put in a difficult spot, back horus to the end, and risk total defeat by anethema, or pull out and keep playing the great game for another 10,000 years. the choice is simple for beings with relatively infinite lifespan. there are far less risky ways to win, and anathema had already been mortally wounded so mission accomplished. they could pull out of horus and let anathema finish him without much reprecussion.

[@rhyswatkins5643]

Definitely manipulated by chaos but I'd love to know what power he thinks the emperor has taken from chaos and in turn the power he now has. Awesome rho, simply awesome!

[@jaskegoffii3968]

Horus was the Sacrificial King. He was manipulated so hard. Such was told to Lorgar, Chaos' true vassal

[@sbeaber]

"No bargain. Taken by Force" Suuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuure.

[@justanotherhuumon]

The Emperor battles against the Chaos gods. Horus is ruled by them. Broken and consumed by their indomitable will, only a hollow shell remains. Heeding not but the lies they feed him. The Great Game continues...

[@NoobFish23]

I like to think he did conquer in the warp and take the power for himself, but that is why he fell to Chaos. The Emperor was wise enough to know to take the power of the Empyrean but not accept it unto himself, ie. he made the deal with with Chaos. The power of Chaos still belonged to Chaos. Because Horus took Chaos onto himself, so it corrupted him.

[@Fer-De-Lance]

Love your videos Wolf Lord. Where can I find the picture?

[@dreadbringer]

I think what happened here Is that Horus gave 4 fragments of.his soul in exchange of the full unleash of His potential (like Corvus did on His own), after all only the four would know how.to.do.it besides the Emperor and the Primarchs, like Corax, new the truth about their creation and embrace their nature.

[@Modernarcher119]

Usual comment! Plus it turns out I'm really bad at painting minis haha

[@johnnyscifi]

I think its both. He fought those wars, and thought he earned the power, because that's the only way the ruinous powers could sell him the lie. For the record, I'm about 60% chaos, 40% loyal. It started out more towards chaos. Favorite primarch is Sanguinius, than Manus, then Mortarion...

[@koriuk5032]

Didn't the chaos gods already explicitly state that horus was insignificant? They never had any intention of making him their champion after he did what he was supposed to do and battle Him. He was lured like a lamb to slaughter because he was WEAK

[@sebkent6691]

Good point. We know that time is meaningless in the warp. Men can meet thier full grown son and long dead grandfather on the same day. If Horus has lead armies well you are right whom could he not have fought while a guest of the ruinous powers? Pre crusade, pre-unification, grey knights it is all open

[@generalnawaki]

Horus was the tool. Abaddon was the prize.

[@thomasalegredelasoujeole9998]

Reminds me of a joke. A german shepherd, a husky and a cat arrive at God’s feet in the afterlife. God asks the shepherd « What do you believe ? » The shepherd answers « Helping, loving, guarding » God tells him « good, you can sit to my right » He then asks the husky « what do you believe ? » « Working, running, loving, having fun » God tells him to sit to his left. He then asks the cat « what do you believe ? » The cat answers « i believe you’re on my chair » Horus is a cat.

[@aleclahti6344]

It would be wicked if GW produced a video game where you played as Horus in the warp, fighting against the chaos gods.

[@DevilishDropout]

Horus fell because he was man, in all it's glory and fallibility, but at least he was a man, something the master of mankind could never attest and for all the scheming met a parallel damnation. LUPERCAL, HAIL THE WARMASTER

[@deathtoliberals7843]

Am I wrong? Wasn’t Horus a ok guy,before Davin. I thought he was ok,before he died.

[@Jesseleeg]

We know that the emperor didnt make the deal long suspected now. The primarchs had a mother who was also a perpetual like the Emperor, and she was the engineer behind their making.

[@Lomhow]

I feel like it's painfully obvious that the wars and campaigns Horus fought in were like real/not real warp fuckery dreams. And there's no way the demons weren't gonna use him. That's like being an unnamed stormtrooper in Mos Eisley and not getting shot at.

[@TheHound402]

Horus is a naive child. The only actual adult amongst the 18 sons of the Emperor is Lion.