The Baron Harkonnen: Vendetta (part 5 of 14)

[@EdWiley671]

Anyone who says he shouldn’t have monologued, realise that their families have been feuding for literally over 10,000 years.

[@Jabberwocky99]

ya...twas a properly done monolgue...some actors do overtdue it, but I thought he did it perfectly

[@RealHogweed]

@@HoolyDooly-si2zzthere’s no original movie, the original is a book

[@jeffreyaguilar8028]

I mean I monologue so you bet I would if I settled my families Vendetta that is over 10,000 years old.

[@DCdabest]

McNeice carrys this entire adaptation. Loved his Baron.

[@paddy7812]

In my humble opinion his was the best performance in this series!! Too bad they couldn’t get a bigger budget for this version!

[@theextremegulp]

I love this idea that the Baron kept his wife preserved just so he could get that tasty reaction from Yueh. I don't hate the new movie but I do have a special place in my heart for the flamboyant Baron.

[@jeffreyaguilar8028]

This is the most accurate portrayal of him.

[@Sextus70]

Same. Villeneuve's "re-imagining" of the Harkonens isn't necessarily bad, but I personally prefer their original depiction of the books, which the miniseries nailed IMO.

[@dkupke]

Ian McNiece ha said that he enjoyed the role personally-but that it was difficult for him physically. The cable contraption used to capture the baron's levitating effect involved him pretty much sitting on a bicycle seat for hours on end-started to get a little tight after a while.

[@pablorodriguezcabrera6231]

Noooo!

[@stephensmith4025]

I bet it did. He isn’t a slim man.

[@hectorplangesis7664]

Never trust a traitor not even the one you create .

[@zannaifacedancer5915]

That was a quote from the book.

[@polreamonn]

Facts.

[@lovipoekimo176]

Deliciously portrayed.

[@VersusARCH]

True baron for true Harkonnens!

[@idkimlikereallybored9533]

@@VersusARCH sponsored by the guild of millers?

[@KnIf0rTITAN]

@@idkimlikereallybored9533 True Harkonnen bread for true Harkonnens.

[@DarkArtistKaiser]

>Guy at the Security camera watching the Baron narrate to the camera "...Is...is he talking to me?"

[@ThatSlowTypingGuy]

Always loved the theatricality of this scene.

[@Nonaggress]

1:19 "You think you've defeated me?" Baron Harkonnen: "Oh bitch please"

[@Leto617]

And Yueh got the last laugh, both in this life and his second one. Alia would never have been born without Yueh's double cross of the Baron

[@lovipoekimo176]

This is my favorite villain monologue.

[@Bilboswaggins2077]

This feels like a different take on the Baron but I honestly love it

[@PrzybyszzMatplanety]

I think it is far more coherent with the book. In Lynch Dune he is just mad lunatic, his evil is obvious at the first sight. In the book he's cold and calculating, just like in this adaptation of Dune.

[@thomasmuandersontheneousul4184]

Ironically its almost word for word the book but ... not good ....

[@Exodianecross1978]

@@thomasmuandersontheneousul4184 Ian McNeice is a great actor!

[@thomasmuandersontheneousul4184]

@@Exodianecross1978 Very underrated

[@Exodianecross1978]

@@thomasmuandersontheneousul4184 He has Shakespeare in his veins, and he is magnficent in almost every role he plays, in front of a camera and on stage!

[@DrIdaho]

"Never be more popular than the boss. Unless you intend to sack him." As evil as Baron Vladimir Harkonnen was I have to agree with him on this.

[@looker999997]

When there's no one left to gloat to, gloat to the camera!

[@rfmerrill]

Very shakespearean

[@lightandsalt7612]

The very fact that the director allowed this.

[@seanhall8686]

In space, everyone can hear you gloat.

[@vernii]

I love the "wrap it up" expression he gives to Yueh dying at 1:19

[@LevCallahan]

Pretty sure he was silently responding to Yueh when he said, "You think you've defeated me?" The Baron responds by nodding while mouthing, "Oh yeah."

[@rossvolkmann1161]

Having seen the new Dune movie, I almost feel like this portrayal of the Baron is more faithful to the character from the books. Skarsgard is a great actor, and I think his interpretation works given the limited screentime he's given in Dune 2021. However Skarsgard's Baron is portrayed as an almost alien monster where Ian McNiece portrays him as a particularly evil but entirely mortal man. I think the latter is more interesting and certainly more in keeping with the character we know from the series. Frank Herbert's Vladimir Harkonnen is vain and venal and a bit of a drama queen. He's clever, but not supernaturally so. He's even a bit charismatic when the situation requires it.

[@barbiquearea]

Could not agree more. The Lynch version made the Baron nothing more than a gross clown whereas Villeneuve's adaptation made him far too serious and downright grouchy when in the book he had a twisted sense of humor and wasn't serious to a T. I think the miniseries got his character down the best.

[@samcostello2861]

My thoughts exactly.

[@konradobidoski5415]

Agreed as well. Very well put.

[@Exodianecross1978]

Of course this "Vladimir Harkonnen" is magnificent because Ian McNeice has Shakespeare in his veins😉!

[@Araanim]

Something that always bugged me is that the Baron is still a wildly successful politician with may allies in the Lansraad. A clownishly evil villain Baron would be despised by other leaders. But THIS baron is wildly charismatic, and would be able to win over others despite his shrewdness.

[@tophercaesar5375]

“Never trust a Traitor, even one you create.”

[@mikegallant811]

For Those of you who don't know, this scene takes place in the Arrakeen Residency, the governor's mansion, formerly the home of Count Hasimir and Lady Margot Fenring.

[@scottbruckner4653]

I remember listening to this scene from an audio book. Having him wheel her into the room in a glass top casket was a stroke of genius.

[@arcadealchemist]

this was the MOST Faithful portrayal of Baron Vlad everyone who thinkgs 2021's baron was "better" they don't understand the character at all, it's all about theatrics and prestige not mud baths n sauas and sitting on a coach

[@LevCallahan]

Agreed. Though I certainly loved the 2021 version as a whole, I was a bit disappointed with portraying the Baron as... essentially a blob. While most everything else was done masterfully, I did miss the Baron's persona from this version. Overall I loved both version for various reasons.

[@AdamMichalMarkowski]

@@LevCallahan People are a bit pretentious when it comes to Baron in new movie. "Oh, he's inspired by Marlon Brando" - I would say it's almost coping of Brando from Godfather and Apocalypse Now and it is kinda bland with Skarsgard mumbling his lines. Harkonnens as a whole are bit bland and on the nose as this bunch of pale, bald guys. Movie as a whole is gorgeous, of course, but not best adaptation by far, also another huge fault - all the combatants shown in the movie wear those generic sci-fi armour. After awesome introduction of Sardaukar on their planet we 're treated to rather boring view of them while on the battlefield.

[@Jabberwocky99]

YA, this was a solid portrayal of The Baron...the speaking in rhymes really amused me most of all...he was properally theatrically evil

[@Sextus70]

@@AdamMichalMarkowski Totally agree. I've watched both Villeneuve films and they are pretty good, but IMO they are insanely overrated and, like you say, some people are too pretentious justifying some liberties he took such as his surreal re-imagining of the Harkonnens. To be fair though, I enjoyed his portrayal of Chani as a more skeptical Fremen in a somewhat conflicted relationship with Paul and Feyd Rautha who, unlike his previous on screen incarnations, is genuinely intimidating.

[@MrTripleXXX]

And clearly have never read the book.

[@RogueShadows]

THIS will always be the Baron to me. Not the Lynch version, not the DUNC version, and to be honest not even the book version, whom I was mostly disappointed with. No, Ian McNeice NAILED the Baron. "Get on with it?! THIS IS _KANLEY,_ PIETER! *VENDETTA!"*

[@zanseinofan01]

Only thing I missed from the new movie. Skarsgard is a good Baron, but McNiece's Baron is a lot more entertaining to watch.

[@VideoMask93]

Agreed. But I think this portrayal thrived on screen time that Villeneuve just didn't have unless he made the film like three hours long. Which might've worked with an intermission.

[@xYSarenArteriusxY]

Vierlleneuve made a two part film out of the book. He literally had enough time to do it since both parts will be like 5 hours long.@@VideoMask93

[@Sextus70]

@@VideoMask93 At least Villeneuve kind of made up for this "duller" Baron by providing the best on screen version of Feyd Rautha so far. His previous renditions in both 1984's movie and the early 2000's miniseries were pretty lame and didn't do enough justice to such a key character of the book.

[@MrTripleXXX]

Much more accurate to the books too. Also the Harkonnens being all bald in the recent adaptions really ruined the Harkonnens.

[@makingitup5746]

say what you want about syfy but ian mcniece is just the most arch, shakespearean version of bourgeois evil you could ask for.

[@Jabberwocky99]

Yaaaa...he did well

[@simondaniel4028]

Loved McNeice. Most memorable person since I saw this in its first airing. Overall asthetic is cheap, but I can wave that off since it was a madefortv thing in 2000. I'd like another adaptation of Dune, but until then, this is the closest it gets to the book.

[@christopherr29]

Well you are in luck...Dune remake is coming in December.

[@fiddleback1568]

Don't watch the DUNE remake.

[@jannekiljunen6784]

I think they did the best they could with the budget. I love the aesthetic flair, it's mostly the special effects and outdoor scenes that suffer from the low budget. Ian McNeice did a great adaptation of the baron, and while Stellan is great I definitely love the screentime Ian's portrayal got, it's definitely one of the most memorable things from the series.

[@Taldarin349]

@@fiddleback1568 Why not ?

[@fiddleback1568]

@@Taldarin349 It's politically motivated and terrible. It really has no more substance than the Chronicles of Riddick schlock. Most people are just sold on a special FX Bonanza. Well like Riddick the new DUNE remake is just such a critter. Lots of Special FX with some of the relevant original story reinterpreted with far left propaganda, sandwiched in between huge globs of CGI.

[@petergandenberger8154]

This...is...CANDY, Piter! VenDETTa!!

[@TheCorrodedMan]

*Kanly

[@greenvalley87]

RIP William Hurt, Oscar winning actor 🙏 😢 😞 💔 😔 😪

[@junesilvermanb2979]

May God grant him eternal Peace, Life, and Salvation...

[@fredlandry6170]

Ian McNice did a great job in this film as the Baron, better than the 1984 version.

[@MisterTutor2010]

The Baron is one overcooked ham :)

[@terranova1203]

And I loved it.

[@samotnick]

Ian Mcneice - Baron 2020 !

[@zaxbitterzen2178]

If anything Stellan should bring at least some level of this intellect to his portrayal.

[@polreamonn]

He didn't and that was disappointing.

[@yseson_]

So God damned good

[@MajinHercule]

Kenneth McMillan was great, but this is just so amazing.

[@alluringming]

i loved ians over the top acting. previous one was too but something about ians potrayel i liked

[@bbenjoe]

This three part film was way better than the first Dune. Of course the new one is the best, but this was quite good too.

[@reesesbeanses]

the second half of this scene is the funniest thing I’ve ever seen in my life

[@GodotIsWaiting4U]

Villeneuve’s Dune is MOSTLY the best adaptation But McNeice is the best Baron

[@RichardAndewSwayne]

Did Baron Harkonnen break the fourth wall?

[@LuDux]

Break? He breached the fourth wall with family atomics

[@garrettmobley1181]

Harkonnen Spice Trade for True Harkonnens!!

[@JPZ16974]

3:22 : "We'll see..."

[@thoughtsurferzone5012]

Best Baron, I think.

[@HarmonyEdge]

One nitpick I have in the miniseries is how Piter and Yueh look a little alike...

[@joshuawaldorf9559]

How long have the two sides been at war before leading to the final conclusion?

[@toddkes5890]

An Atreides declared a Harkonnen as a coward in the Battle of Corrin, roughly 10,000 years in-universe before this happened. They weren't at all-out war, but they were doing small raids against each other

[@joshuawaldorf9559]

@@toddkes5890 10,000 yrs? Dang. It's like North and South Korea if it lasted that long.

[@TheCorrodedMan]

@@joshuawaldorf9559 it’s mostly been mutual hatred. There were points in their history when they intermarried and declared peace, but they were few and far between, and always short lived

[@Sploooks]

Personal Dune Ratings: 1st Place: 2021 2nd Place: Miniseries 3rd Place: 1984

[@LevCallahan]

Sorry I didn't see what 3rd place was. It just says "3rd Place:" with nothing afterward.

[@kanukki84]

Harkonnen=Härkönen

[@blacksage2375]

This scene explains why one look at Villeneuve's Baron told me his movies would have all the humanity of a thinking machine. Because THIS in the Baron, all the baroque decadence of Herbert's retrograde aristocratic anti-future in one fat floating package. Losing that vitally and intrinsically human villainy shows you know nothing of Dune.

[@noaharce6921]

everything about this adaptation screams mid 2000s public library rental.

[@BabuAikesh-ez8bo]

Yup, thanks received the Green bangle.

[@phousefilms]

Ian McNeice was my first introduction to the Baron and the most memorable between the two versions initially out(this and the Lynch version). While Skarsgaard is great, he hasn't had enough screentime.

[@lightandsalt7612]

The very fact that the director allowed this to happen.

[@squamish4244]

The costume designer was on - I don't know what they were on.

[@Godzillakingofkaiju1]

Why is it so hard to get Baron Vladimir Harkonnen right? In the book the Baron was calculating, cold, and reserved and the anti-grav device he wore was only to ensure he walked, not levitated like a bloated Peter Pan.

[@Hartzilla2007]

" In the book the Baron was calculating, cold, and reserved" Um, "Is it not a magnificent thing that I, the Baron Vladimir Harkonnen, do?" Literally first thing he does in the book is gloat about his coming victory.

[@xxIKONICKxx]

@@Hartzilla2007 correct. Dr.Yueh used the Baron's ego against him because he knew he would want Leto close to him.

[@ObsidianDragon7030]

The Anti Grav Discrepancy comes from Misunderstanding how it worked for the Movie adaptation from what I read.

[@thomasmuandersontheneousul4184]

@@Hartzilla2007 Yeah the Baron is over the top evil I think its readers appreciating his plans but his actual dialogue is oddly cartoonish Herbert is more subtle elsewhere ... but with Baron he just went crazy

[@Ale-dd3ek]

The Baron Is One of those characters Who created Clichés

[@timokuusela5794]

Härkönen is a Finnish last name. "Harkonnen" sounds like exactly the same.

[@lukevankleef4245]

actually that is exactly where it came from. Frank chose it because it sounded harsh.

[@BarterTom]

I think they’ll give this scene to Rabban in the film.

[@bwy553]

How are the Atreides standing in the Harkonnen's way? The Harkonnens are WAY richer than the Atreides, they have Great House status, the only reason the Atreides are respected more is because of the way the Harkonnens ACT. The Harkonnens have a monopoly on the single most important export in the entire economy, the only thing the Baron has left to covet is the throne, which technically, it's the laws of the Empire, the Emperor himself, and the will of the entire Landsraad that stands in the way of that. Not JUST the Atreides. But I guess when you're a psycho, logic isn't necessary.

[@dkupke]

***** Its a grudge, plain and simple.

[@barbiquearea]

+beige wyng Really I thought the Atreides were a few rungs above the Harkonnens on the political ladder? They are dukes after all while the Harkonnens are lowly barons.

[@bwy553]

barbiquearea Technically, yes. The Atreides ARE above the Baron and his family. Traditionally, a Duke is above a Baron. But I don't know if this is still true in the Dune universe, or if they simply have that for their title for some other reason-like the author thought it simply sounded better with their name.Not to mention, the Duke is the Emperor's cousin and hence true nobility. The Baron and his family purchased most of their standing in the Landsraad when they managed to land the Arrakis fief. But, they clawed their way up the ranks and bought a lot of respectability thus far with the Atreides "in their way" I don't see why they were any hinderance, surely the Baron could keep on clawing his way up since the Duke does not put that much importance on political ambition and prominence. But I guess you're right, that would explain some of the hatred for them.

[@dkupke]

+beige wyng I think that the titles were pretty much meaningless in the Dune universe, Frank Herbert just threw them in there for the purpose of adding that element of aristocratic politics. As I recall it was briefly touched in some of the original books that during the Butlerian Jihad a member of the Harkonnen family brought disgrace on their name by proving himself a coward, while a member of the Atreidest brought great honor to his family by proving a hero-and the Harkonnen's have harbored a grudge ever since. They fleshed it out more in the prequel books, but it was not very well done, if anything it made the Atreides look like aggressors and the Harkonnen's look justified for their grudge.

[@bwy553]

Daniel Ryan Maybe they were. Just because they later became the bad guys doesn't mean they weren't right about their grudge. Even Leto or Paulus Atreides once admitted to their son that the Atreides weren't always so different from the Harkonnens and that at one time they may have even been friends.

[@kezzmoon8917]

Why does the Baron look like a Halloween version of Cardinal Wolsey?

[@BabuAikesh-ez8bo]

Blue, but changed for safety.

[@BabuAikesh-ez8bo]

I am born 09.01.1977@1.15am

[@milotura6828]

Both are good versions ok

[@BabuAikesh-ez8bo]

Same alike the Walter guy, one is here, maybe same.

[@78beast]

It was a little Baron Munchausen, not bad.

[@hurmur9528]

It is good but the budget is way to small. It looks cheap.

[@terranova1203]

2:10

[@leonaquilla2547]

THIS. IS. KANLY!

[@DamianCola23]

And I don't even have to sell sex slaves to do it. 🦰😡👘

[@Westkane11]

Why o why couldn't their pronounce Harkonnen correctly, it is with a 'o' not 'e' :(

[@SuperNovaJinckUFO]

They just stress the syllables differently. HARkonnen, not HarKONnen. Also, considering the word was probably taken from Finnish roots, this version actually pronounces it correctly.

[@badluckrabbit]

Villeneuve should have just hired McNiece for the movie. Skarsgard as the Baron is SO BORING!

[@RodrigoTechador]

And he’s completely desexualized, which I found so distracting. The baron’s perversion is an integral part of his character. Then again, they stripped Gurney Halleck of his elegantly foul mouth, too-more’s the pity.

[@BONZOBERRY]

McNiece è bravo , si impegna ; ma non lucida i calzari al Barone Harkonnen di McMillan.

[@antoineg4051]

Bad acting, bad costumes, bad special effects. This series is a big shit. We need a new movie version of Dune.

[@antoineg4051]

+DimaSneg LOL I agree. Lynch's version is old and has been.

[@totalbadass8358]

Children of Dune is the greatest SF miniseries of all time next to V.

[@IcarusReborn]

Agreed!

[@competitiveshooter9577]

Everything was ok but the costumes...

[@mariopinoli8779]

Denis Villneuve is working on it

[@vailaspencer4518]

dreadful acting, deradful costumes, dreadful screenplay. all in all, dreadful,

[@polreamonn]

You just don't get it.

[@jmm1233]

What dismal performance , so campy and full of cheese where is the deep baritone baron who much calm than this screeching thing

[@DarthRushy]

Um, you HAVE seen the 1984 film, right...?

[@krokodil5659]

I think he's talking about the book narration.

[@zannaifacedancer5915]

I love how McNeice played the baron but I agree with you too, we need a deep baritone baron.

[@jumpingman8160]

Lynch's version is far superior to this crap fest.

[@zannaifacedancer5915]

Ian McNeice is the baron, McMillan was a fat clown!

[@simondaniel4028]

@@zannaifacedancer5915 That guy didn't read the book, clearly.

[@Godzillakingofkaiju1]

No. The Baron in the miniseries is much closer to the book than the David Lynch version.