The Batman Arkham Series Wasted The Bat Family

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[@andyowski5021]

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[@Handyrandy2233]

The fact they had dick,Tim,and Jason all in the same game and not have them INTERACT in criminal

[@JackycakesV2]

Or the fact WB made Gotham Knights instead of continuing the story with Nightwing, Robin, and Red Hood. Could’ve made Tim become Red Robin and introduced one of the girl robins to keep the co op feature as well

[@Handyrandy2233]

@@JackycakesV2 they had the PERFECT blueprint for another Arkham game.a post Batman world,the bay family coming together to fight the court of owls or something

[@CoOlKyUbI96]

I agree. Especially Tim since he was the only one who had some sort of presence in the main campaign. Dick is gone just as quickly as he’s introduced in the main story. And then Dick is only exclusively involved in the Penguin side mission

[@andyowski5021]

I really don't get why they were so adamant about Gotham Knights being its own thing. It could have been reworked to bridge the time period between Arkham Knight and Suicide Squad.

[@rororaven568]

This is, hands down, the BIGGEST problem i have with gotham knights. Forget the rpg elements and the gameplay and the fucking bike, I could 100% forgive/deal with all of that, broken or not. But Arkham knight has SOO MANY loose ends that they could've crafted an IDENTICAL STORY with the characters we already know, in a gotham we already know. It will baffle me until the end of time that they decide to "reboot" a universe for a worse story and cardboard characters with cringey dialogue. WB Montreal proved they could craft a near perfect story, why did they throw it all away?????

[@k.bermejo7334]

Ikr, I so wished Gotham Knights was set in the Arkham Universe, in fact I really thought it was back when the reveal trailer came out.

[@isaacsee3807]

@@rororaven568u literally just put words to everything i think about the Arkham series, thanks for the comment

[@salahdeanclemens2226]

Not suicide squad it takes its place

[@andyowski5021]

@@rororaven568 I really think part of it is the amount of backlash and hate they got when Origins came out. It's so clear they disdain having been tied to that series at this point. They refuse to port the game, remaster, remake or even make a new Arkham game. The studio wants nothing to do with the Arkham universe. It's sad, because I think they did great.

[@brocksells197]

The thing that really disappointed me was the fact that you couldn't free roam with any of them at all in Knight. One of my favorite parts of City was being able to free roam as Catwoman after beating the campaign. It was so cool to see how Catwoman interacted with the world in City, and then to not get that in Knight when both Nightwing and Robin are right there was such a letdown

[@TerranToro]

I think that's another consequence of Rocksteady's overfocus on the Batmobile. It's a huge part of the open world in puzzles, tank fights and exploration. It's fun to drive around in the car but they really overdid it as a mechanic. Honestly I would've taken Nightwing, Robin or Red Hood free roam over it entirely. Spider-Man 2 is a prime example of how to do it right. I love going to stop a crime and finding an ally there already fighting. That's the kind of stuff they really should've done in AK.

[@mynameismattfirered9276]

People say that, but they're not going to create a mode thats just an empty open world for all 7 characters. That would mean creating unique dialogue for 8 characters from thugs and stuff. Traversal will be terrible with most of the characters, too

[@brocksells197]

@mynameismattfirered9276 Oh, I'm not saying that all of the extra characters needed to be able to free roam. That would be ridiculous for many reasons. I understand not doing Catwoman as traversing the entire map as her would've been a nightmare. But I think that at least Robin and Nightwing should've been able to free roam. Robin wouldn't really have any traversal issues, but I admit, they would have had to figure out something for Nightwings' lack of a cape. Outside of that issue, I think those two would have been reasonable to implement into free roam

[@mynameismattfirered9276]

@@brocksells197 batgirl would be a better pick than Nightwing. Still, its extra work they didnt have time for to create new animations and dialogue for no reason, just an empty mode. The batmobiles didnt need anything new, they just put them in endgame with an enter and exit animation

[@thequestionable1413]

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[@ArkhamverseJoker]

you’re not getting a heart from him.

[@DegenerateJay]

That didn't age well.

[@K.I.A-2.0]

​@@ArkhamverseJoker that didn't age so well

[@AlwaysCorrect-ke6tt]

@@ArkhamverseJoker That's an L

[@thequestionable1413]

@@ArkhamverseJoker Sorry what were you saying?

[@PuzzlingHousing56]

The Bat Family in the Arkhamverse were definitely given a back-seat more so in Arkham Knight if your going to have Batman's Legacy end Selina,Barbara,Tim and Dick needed something more to do. Also i think Jason needed to a bit bigger role

[@Gotham_bat759]

Jason should’ve been Robin in the Batgirl dlc

[@AlwaysCorrect-ke6tt]

@@Gotham_bat759 And we see Dick as Robin once and it's in the Arkham Origins multiplayer where he says nothing

[@SpideySansGoku2517]

@@AlwaysCorrect-ke6tthe does actually speak in origins online and he’s voiced by josh Keaton

[@frazergreen6786]

Watching the Official Launch Trailer for Arkham Knight it looked like Dick & Tim were gonna have a larger role in the story given as they were in the clock tower at one point seemingly around the start of the game when you arrive to check on the new sample of Scarecrow's toxin.

[@jangofett1172]

Wish the Bat Family were included more in City and Knight.

[@AdamAircraft]

The ending of Arkham Knight provides the perfect framing narrative for Gotham Knights if it was set in the Arkhamverse tbf. Batman disappears at the end of AK, leaving the Bat-family to step up and protect Gotham. I was one of the ones that didn’t mind GK being set in a different universe but it would have been easier to piggyback off of AK. I respect the need to do something new though. There’s a fair amount of questions that SSKTJL needs to answer, how is Arkham Asylum still open, how did everyone find out that Batman didn’t die and where are the rest of the Bat-family?

[@jax99hax]

I played the alpha of SSKTJL and, without getting into anything too specific, it sadly didn't explain how Arkham Asylum is still open or where the bat family is, but it did do a pretty good job of explaining how everyone found out Batman was still alive in my opinion. I hope the bat family appears in the story at some point though when the full game comes out.

[@The_Phantasm]

I was actually also going to mention the general characterisation and handling of Tim Drake in the Arkham series before I saw you also mention it. In general while he was fun to play I never felt like he was really Tim Drake. The strange decision to have him being a relationship with Barbara aside, I never really quite a got a good handle on him in this universe as a character and didn't really have any of Tim's characteristics from the comics. And also always fout it a bit off-putting how much older are they made him in the games.

[@Xehanort10]

They tried to make him too edgy too with the shaved head and apparently being a cage fighter in his spare time.

[@skeletor4436]

They definitely made him into Damian a bit

[@The_Phantasm]

@@skeletor4436 Not in the slightest.

[@uchihabomber1296]

This is something I can agree with. They really didn’t use them that much in the whole franchise at least they actually put an attempt to do it in the last game

[@jamesmason7979]

They definitely dropped the ball with the bat family. There were a lot of misses opportunities with Knight. One thing I wished they had considered was giving Nightwing and Robin optional solo missions as Bruce's way of keeping them busy and not catch on to the fact that he was infected with Joker illness. They could've done the same with Azrael as Bruce's way of assessing his skills. Catwoman definitely shouldn't have been limited to Riddler's orphanage. Also, Robin and Nightwing were missing some gadgets. It made playing the predator maps less fun.

[@MustacheOnMars9]

What infuriates me most is that in the translation from Arkham City to Knight, the City character's movesets became less fleshed out and unique. Robin, while yes he did gain Fear Takedowns, the Remote Hacking Device, a much needed buff to his Snap Flashes and Explosive Gel, and being able to see the explosion radius of mines, he lost the Remote Control Shurukin and his Smoke Bombs, which suuuuck. And I don't see why he can't have them. They have the code, for the Smoke Bombs like they can literally just use Batman's Smoke Bombs and for the RC Shurukin, you just need to make a new model, but the code is still already there. It should be so easy, but nope those are just gone. Catwoman loses the fact that due to the open world not being built for her, neither are any of the Predator Sections. Climbing up on the roof was an extremely crucial part of Catwoman's moveset, as it basically allowed her to have grates and do ledge and silent takedowns anywhere she wants as long as she's on the roof. In Arkham Knight though, only three Predator Maps actually have the climbable room, two of those being from Arkham City anyways, which makes her Predator moments so fucking miserable because now she has just lost half of her moveset and main gimmick. So now we're just left with her shitty gadgets, shitty grappling and her silent running. And no double takedowns too, which sure that applies to all the other playable characters that aren't Red Hood, Batgirl or Harley Quinn, but all the other characters like Batman, Robin, and Nightwings lost their double takedowns because they got Fear Takedowns in return. Any character who can't use Fear have double takedowns, except for Catwoman. She lost her double takedown, but gained nothing in return. Nightwing too, and he probably annoys me the most. I don't care about losing his unique detective vision. That was just an aesthetic change and while it sucks it doesn't bother me all too much. Nightwing gains Fear Takedowns, the Voice Synthesizer, and being able to see the radius of mine explosions, but he loses so fucking much. The Disruptor, his Wrist Darts and his Line Launcher. The Disruptor and the Line Launcher again I don't get why they were removed. They have the code, and it doesn't require any new models. Just give him the fucking gadgets. The loss of the Wrist Darts also sucks as well, basically Catwoman's caltrops but usuable. I feel like Nightwing suffers the most from his loss of gadgets. The Line Launcher was damn near crucial to his movement. Due to his lack of cape, his movement relied on the Line Launcher and being able to zip over gaps and perch on the line. And now he just... doesn't have it, and it really fucking hurts. He really needed that Line Launcher. He actually made the thing useful in Predator sections in non-super niche situations. And it'd be especially useful in Knight since it's Predator sections are significantly more spacious. The Disruptor too he also really needs. It was moderately useful in City, but Knight holy fuck is it good. But again, he doesn't have what would've been a crucial part of his arsenal. This would be a fucking blessing to have in Endless Knight. Anyone who plays Endless Knight often knows how fucking useful the Disruptor is there. So now that he has lost his greatest movement option, the now one of the greatest gadgets in Knight, and his Wrist Darts, Nightwing's Predator gameplay (like Catwoman) is fucking miserable because he's lost half of his fucking moveset. He can't glide. He's only got the Voice Synthesizer, which while good can only be used a few times and is actively detrimental if you use it in Endless Knight, his REC which tbf is very good with annoying Detective Mode Jammers (but man wouldn't it be really good if Nightwing had the disruptor again, you know, the gadget that the REC directly synergises with so you can blow up guns out of thug's hands at any time, wouldn't that be neat huh), and his Electric Blast which is decent I suppose. Can be used as risky and lighter Fear Takedown alternative if used correctly. I'd kill for a mod that give Nightwing and Robin their old gadgets back. Don't even care if they use the Baterang models for Robin's RC Shurukin. And I understand how it's be pretty impossible to give Nightwing his Wrist Darts back (I mean it's pretty impossible to mod any Arkham game, period) but I wouldn't be too upset to not have them. Giving back his Line Launcher and Disruptor is enough. They should have their gadgets back, there's no reason why they shouldn't especially when some gadgets require literally zero extra work because they're already in the game. All it does is make these characters more fleshed out and playable, and it would've required no extra work. How long would it have taken Rocksteady to give them back their old gadgets (with exception to the Wring Darts, of course)? No time, yet it would've benefitted these characters immensely. Look, Robin I'd say is still pretty fun in Arkham Knight. Sure his Predator arsenal now lacks a little bit, but it's not too bad. He's still very fun. Nightwing however, he's just miserable to play. He really needed those Line Launchers and Disruptors. The lack of Wrist Darts while sucks immensely isn't game changing, but the lack of two crucial parts of his kit does, and now he's just super unfun to play in Predator. Not unique, not interesting. He's just Batman with less options, no gliding and Electric Blast. Great. Again, I'd like to see mods that restore their arsenal a bit, mostly just the pre-existing gadgets that already exist in game, but considering the fact that modding any Arkham Game, period, is pretty much impossible with exception of skin and animation mods yeah I don't see this happening any time soon. I mean, I'd be the luckiest bastard in the world to have my dream Endless Knight On Any Map mod come to existance which in theory should be easier to make, let alone this so I'm not holding my breath.

[@Liam1991]

Just like most games nowadays, the Arkham games still have a lot of potential. We could have got maybe another 1 or 2 games set between Origins and Asylum. A Batman Beyond game. And of course some spinoff games, focusing on the bat family. I remember when I first completed City, and wishing there was more gameplay for Catwoman. I just really enjoyed her fighting mechanics, and her way to get around the map. I also really enjoyed playing as Batgirl and Red Hood. Batgirl felt just as fluid as Catwoman, but with similar skills to Batman. With Red Hood, I like that he's basically the DC version of The Punisher. As much as I love Batman, especially Kevin Conroy Batman, I do agree that killing some of criminals is a better way to stop crime.

[@justinpullen1097]

Making Gotham Knights part of the Arkhamverse and keeping the same mechanics would have helped a lot. I'd also make some missions have a certain character locked in while the climax would involve all four to give the story a definitive ending. A good set-up would be a good amount of time after Knight, Jason and Tim are both separately protecting Gotham in their own way, with Barbara helping Tim as Batgirl again with a cybernetic implant in her spine. Dick would show up to bring them all together to take on the Court of Owls. What they wouldn't know is that Dick got the initial Intel from Alfred and Bruce, still operating secretly after Knightfall. But the Court is too big to fight in the shadows, so Bruce is entrusting his family to bring them into the light. This would add a dramatic moment when the rest of them find out the truth.

[@CoOlKyUbI96]

That was a huge part of my initial hype when the game trailers for Knight were being released back then. Thinking that the entire Bat family would get involved with the main campaign. But nope, only Tim and Barbara. Even then Barbara gets kidnapped and remains MIA for a good substantial portion of the game. Then Tim for the most part is forced to be tied to the Joker clones subplot until Batman then traps him making him unable to help

[@PrimeDecanus]

I really wanted a Nightwing and Red Hood game in the Arkham universe. Deathstroke would have been a great villain for them, to me I wish after Suicide Squad game they should start making a nightwing game, like they can put some of the Teen Titans in the game but this is just wishful thinking what I really want for the Arkham franchise.

[@lordcheesus1013]

Rocksteady just plain underestimated the value of the Batfamily as characters, I think. I totally agree with you when you think they were underutilized in Arkham City. As awesome as the game was for what we did get, it just feels like that game could've given us so much more for side missions and Batfamily content. Like, why couldn't there have been a side mission were Tim Drake Robin takes down Black Mask so he doesn't attempt yet another prison break while Bruce was dealing with Protocol 10? Why couldn't Nightwing really break up Penguin's black market monopoly over the Arkham City Prison? That could've been a really big opportunity to sow the seeds of Nightwing's rivalry with Penguin that seems to have instead budded in Arkham Knight. I get why they didn't include much in Arkham Asylum as it was the "starting point" of a franchise but there's really no excuses for the other sequels. Side missions were a huuuuuge opportunity to expand on the Batfamily characters but for whatever reason they just didn't care. Even worse, they threw together some piss-poor "knock-off" with Knights which feels more like an insult than anything.

[@AegisValentine]

I still hate Tim being with Barbara it feels so weird & wrong

[@andson02]

The story of A Matter Of Family was really cool! I wished they made more for Robin and Nightwing. Gotham Knights was such a letdown

[@SuperBrooklynite007]

I do believe we were robbed of a terrific Batman Arkham 3 when they got rid of Paul Dini

[@DegenerateJay]

I'm actually still surprised he wasn't involved.

[@aaronam0115]

I love how Origins was the only game in the series where Batman wasn't a complete jerk and had legitimate character interactions and development with the Bat family.

[@Gabe-h9y]

I feel like the arkham games are very misunderstood when it comes to Joker's inclusion in every game. I feel like it's meant to be a Batman and Joker story with an expanded universe including so many other villains as well with Origins and Knight proving that the relationship between the two characters are really what ties it all together. Some people just say that it was so they could help insure the success of the two games, but I mean kinda, not really, maybe a little, probably not why they chose to include him in both.

[@Xehanort10]

Nobody misunderstands. Joker should have just been in Asylum and City. Origins should have been set before Batman and him met not the night they met and his cremation should have been his only Knight appearance. No stupid "Ra's Al Ghul's blood cured Batman's Titan disease but didn't get rid of Joker's blood" retcon and no treating a combination of a blood disease and a fear hallucination like it was Joker's ghost trying to possess Batman.

[@RileyScarletSpiderGirl]

Nightwing is my favourite Batfamily member even more than Batman himself so I was always dissapointed at how little he did and how little we got to play as him in the Arkham series and my biggets hope for years was a sequel game to Knight starring Nightwing.

[@mynameismattfirered9276]

i think they were used in moderation, and it was the perfect use of them, little injects into different parts of the storyline, but not intrusive

[@TheSauceYouGetLostin]

I agree with most others that say Gotham Knights should have been an extension of the Arkham series instead of its own thing, it would have brought everything around full circle better than the little DLC items they did initially

[@tannerbudge8459]

i 100 percent expected a big dlc expansion with the bat family. it’s sad it never happened

[@Devitron87]

I thought they were handled fine. It's a Batman game I just wanted Batman and it's what I got with a hint that the others are around or doing stuff.

[@BestManGamer]

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[@Xehanort10]

7:56 A Matter of Family and the Season of Infamy DLC's are better than the main Arkham Knight game IMO. I liked Scarecrow but despite being advertised as the main villain he was pushed aside for Jason Todd and a Joker hallucination. Jason was never seen or mentioned in Asylum and City only for him to come out of nowhere in Knight and you're beaten over the head with "he's the Arkham Knight." And he's let off for helping Scarecrow with a terrorist attack just because he saved Bruce at the last minute. The "Joker blood" plot was just him being forced in even after he died. And it was more tank battle simulator than Batman game half the time.

[@BOMBADIDIL]

I don’t think the Arkham series wasted them, I think WB Games did. Arkham knight seemed to perfectly set up a game for the bat family yet we only really go Gotham knights.

[@TheTruePacmanMG]

Loved the concept of Gotham Knights in that the bat familly actually matters. My biggest gripe with the Arkham series is how wasted they were, but that was Batman's problem and I get it. I honestly wish this had been the characters trying to deal with how they fit into the world after the end of arkham knight. I'm not sure what exactly went wrong, but the gameplay was a step back, the crafting was hollow and obviously just a time sink, and the world felt more empty than a Gotham with no civilians. Like honestly the Arkham bat family finally getting to spread their wings without batman getting in the way would have been cool. To see them each discover who they are without him. You could even have an overarching storyline with the "ghost" were throughout the game they are trying to find out who exactly it is. You have each of the charaters focus on one villian but as it progresses they realize that someone is pulling the strings in the background and they have to settle their differences and work together. At the end they can discover the "ghost" is actually still Batman and the end credits 100% completion is Superman inviting Batman to the Justice League officially and that would set up the Suicide Squad game coming out next year. Maybe I'm crazy, but I think the studio has proved very competent at the tideover spin off stories in the Arkhamverse. Why GK wasn't one of them I don't understand. Game had potential, but honestly just setting it in their own version of the Batverse killed it prior to the actual problems for me.

[@Iwillone]

Arkham Tim Drake > Current Comics Tim Drake

[@TheBatman39]

Yeah and by a long shot

[@silverdragon3132]

I actually agree with you there. They are sort of just to be there. We don’t know much about Nightwing’s life, nor do non-comic readers’ really have connection to say Jason or Tim. They did good with Batman but in some ways they could have left the Batfamily out and not much of the story would change. I love your insight into the franchise and the way it does have a lot of these villains more justice and other games would have. I do sort of wish they had done more with Talia in Arkham city. They brought back the Talia of my childhood and it feels that was only done to kill her off to give Bruce some man pain and that was about it. Edit; I actually really oppose the idea of Gotham Knights being in Arkham verse. The city style was Gothic even in the OG trailers. It was never meant to be the same universe I don’t think. Even if it doesn’t get a sequel and the story fell apart at the end, I liked the fact we had a game for them that didn’t have Bruce to swoop in and save the day undermining their presence. Also not everything has to be a massive franchise.

[@SpencerPhillips-co7sx]

Now that you mentioned it, I also love the Arkham games but I do agree that the Bat family were wasted and underused, and there are some missed opportunities for them to expand and see more stories of Oracle, Robin and Nightwing, even Catwoman. While I enjoy the DLCS and love playing as Catwoman, Robin, and Nightwing, but I agree they weren't very in-depth compared to Batman, and they were just a one-off, and wish they were more part of the main stories. Tim Drake is a good example, as much as I love Arkham Knight, but I thought Tim Drake and Nightwing were wasted and underused. I also agree and thought it was an odd choice of them randomly mashing Tim Drake and Barbara Gordon as a couple which didn't make sense and felt kinda forced and rushed. Not only I thought it was a missed opportunity, but it would have benefited from having Nightwing and Robin helping Batman with the militia force. I hated the subplot with Tim being stuck in that place where he was treated to the Joker-ized" patients. I also didn't like the reveal of Henry Adam as the mastermind of the whole thing with Harley Quinn and then kills them then himself. And to make things worse, Bruce locks Tim up in a cell. Batman literally had Tim Drake stuck down there for nothing when he could be out there helping Bruce with the militia force or saving Barbara.

[@isisbarfuss558]

I agree with pretty much everything in this video. I love the Bat family, so when I heard Gotham Knights was about them, I liked that idea since we lacked them in the Arkham games. I just wish Gotham Knights was executed better. Like less cringey, and also possibly take the Isomniac Spider-Man route where we play/see the family outside of there vigilante roles, like their social lives, like what we see in the comics, so we could connect with them more. That would be an improvement over the Arkham games, and help it stand out which is what WB Montreal wanted. But don't get me wrong, I don't hate Gotham Knights, I just wish it were better.

[@Icem4n84]

When I started Arkham Knight I expect the Bat family to be doing the side missions and Batman doing the main story ones.

[@IbrahimJoubran10]

Hey Jay, do you do side missions before or after the story in the Arkham series? I personally do the side missions after because I feel that the story is the main priority on Batman’s mind, and he has to finish that first. Then I move onto the side missions that involve saving people. Lmk what you do

[@saturn_wolf]

I'm definitely not the first person to mention this but it felt like such a massive waste to not be able to free roam with anyone at all beside Batman in Knight. Like, Batgirl *especially* would have virtually no problem at all traversing that Gotham, same goes for everyone else. But they just never bothered to do anything with that, not even as an update in the Trilogy release

[@deathstarstallion]

Batman, Joker and Mr Freeze and Oracle were the only characters explored to satisfaction Hugo Strange was pretty decent and pretty much everyone else was garbage

[@swagman299]

J it’s been a while since I’ve watched a video but so glad to be back on here, great video

[@DegenerateJay]

Welcome back!

[@robbambam3581]

4 arkham games and we never once got the bat nipples from the batman and robin movie. Now that was a true waste

[@Rorschach97]

I agree, they were wasted, I think the bat family should have had a bigger role in City & Knight, I feel like Nightwing was done dirty in Knight.

[@supersaiyanshonathan]

I would love a sequel to origins where Robin comes in & you got to do missions as Batman & Robin or solo. They could even do what they did in spider man 2 where certain missions are designed for one or the other

[@Karlos1234ify]

Makes me sad, the rest of the Bat Family got shunted to the side

[@andrewbrown9981]

I think the bat family members could have been playable in side missions

[@k.bermejo7334]

I love the Arkham games, it's my favorite iteration of the Batman universe, but yeah one of it's biggest sins is how they sidetracked the Batfamily so much. Also, Gotham Knights had the perfect premise to pick up from after Arkham Knight, so the fact that the game isn't set in the Arkham Universe is a MAJOR missed opportunity. I guess it would've made too much sense 😅😅

[@dionysisnance4204]

I feel like with gotham knight was redone it could have been a good game for the arkhsm series bat family.

[@iCanHazTwentyLetters]

I couldn't disagree with you more. Respectfully. Honestly, Rocksteady paid homage to pretty much all members of the bat family with excruciating detail. Even Alfred got some time in the spotlight in Origins. You also get a prequel episode for batgirl and robin in arkham knight, while the main game shows her in a wheelchair as result of Jokers actions. If you ask me, the characters with the most wasted potential are Deathstroke (whom is perfectly portrayed, but afaik you never get to have an actual boss fight against him), and more importantly Harley Quinn. That character deserves way more attention and has been misrepresented (imo) throughout the series so far. There's so much more complexity with her than just a stereotypical dumb blonde bimbo with a crush on the Joker. She has a phd. in psychology, ffs. Also, her alleged 'insanity' is so juvenile and family-friendly compared to her contemporaries it's almost offensive. Hopefully that's about to change in the upcoming game. From the trailers I'm noticing a change in how Tara Strong (voice actor) portrays the Harley/Harleen persona and I think it can be a good thing.

[@calelkestifer3570]

you mention that Tim and Barbara don't make sense together, and I would like to mention that I'm fairly sure that the re-characterization of Tim from serious and grounded in Arkham City to goofy-jokey-Marvel guy in Knight, and I'm pretty sure they did that to make him and Barbara somehow make sense? I'm glad to hear someone else say that it didn't work for them either.

[@AnonymousEnigma19]

I think they should have take pointers from the Darksiders series, I'm not talking about gameplay or story I'm talking about changing the main character per game, like this have the next game be Arkham Nightwing, Arkham Batgirl, Arkham Red Hood, Arkham Robin, and then finally Arkham Beyond.

[@holmeshuddle985]

Ive been saying this for years . I love the batfamily and they have great stories in past comics , but when it comes to games they take a back seat and are almost pointless. Hell I had to watch a youtuber show a video of the bat family free roaming in arkham knight ...something I wanted to see in the games.

[@Darklord805n7]

Excited for this one

[@jokerxd9900]

Honestly I don't care about this because it's batman Arkham not bat family Arkham I just like batman I never was fan of other ones maybe a bit of batgirl she is better than the rest and if they had other characters people would be like I just wanna play as batman don't force me to robin or night wing etc...

[@skeletor4436]

The batfamily has become one of the most integral parts to Batman as a character we're at the point where the batfamily has to exist in some way

[@williampower4449]

I can agree with you because when I was in grade three I always read the bat family books in my school in Ohio

[@AndyDandyMandy]

I don't understand why Arkham Batman didn't bother to teach his sidekicks how to dissemble guns and take out their enemies weapons.

[@Rockstarrclarke]

Batman and the bat family vs the justice league would have been the right move for a live service game. So many stories side quest and sun plots could have been explored. So many outfits could have been in the battle pass. They really screwed up big time with this garbage.

[@TerranToro]

I just find it sad and a little bit funny that every single member of the Bat-Family except Alfred ends up getting kidnapped at some point in Arkham Knight. They really get no respect in these games lol

[@mythic6632]

Yeah, they were real weird about it. Didn’t let you roam with any of the other characters besides Batman and and Catwoman in City, pretty much no story content, very odd design for Tim with the shaved head, the odd Tim and Barbra relationship, and Arkham Knight not even rectifying the free roam part. They added some story content which was interesting, but they were more interested in the batmobile instead. One of the more disappointing parts of the Arkham games.

[@aymaanrashid2033]

Funny that spider man 2 had peter and miles be dual protagonist when its not such a thing in the comics but we haven’t had an arkham game do it with batman and robin

[@NoElBatman]

I don't like the arkham games because of how horribly everyone aside from Batman is done. Tim isn't really Tim, his bald head is practically a meme to me lol, Nightwing disappears from Knight, Barbara exists for Joker and love interest and Jason gets the worst reveal in gaming history and is just came off whiny. It's why I don't want to see any more Arkham content for this universe as it doesn't look like they're interested in doing anything if it isn't Batman focused. And with how their first big idea when given the JL is to make them evil, I don't think I like their DC universe all that much either. If evil JL is so interesting and a Batman that has no friends is so compelling why can't we have a Crime Syndicate game. All these evil versions of the JL and the actual Evil Justice League doesn't get any content at all. Lame.

[@justindowney2054]

Playin through all the Batman:AK AR challenges AND kinda wish this iteration of characters was in GOTHAM KNIGHTS. Still gonna play through it all tho. 👍

[@sahilhossian8212]

Lore of The Batman Arkham Series Wasted The Bat Family momentum 100

[@bradleydias425]

Hey, I know you're not into covering too much of batman content. But why not also look into the disappointment that is the new Batman Port. Also why not talk about some other games like Baldurs gate? I would like to get your thoughts on 3. Also, I think I'd love to get your opinion of other game analysis like Spiderman as compared to the quality of Arkham. It's certainly not as good. Also will you be covering Metal gear? Are you a big fan of it? I saw the recent mgs Fortnite video, can you cover the remake?

[@joshhale1340]

my question is did Arkham Knight actually happen> I mean a lot of it did, but in the studio you enter the cell then Joker lets you out, could that mean from that point on it's all in Bruce's head, that could be an interesting thing if they want to make future batman games in the Arkhamverse, that way maybe his identity wasn't made public

[@marlo176]

What's about the Arkham episodes that take place after knight?

[@tributev]

No free roam was the worst part. Like at least allow that once the game has been 120% better than a golden bat symbol suit..🤷🏻‍♂️

[@mtveloy]

THE GOAT!

[@hyperonrex]

To be fair I’m kind of agree with this as much as like to see and play the Bat Family overall there are handle very ridiculous definitely in Arkham Knight the most out of all of the Arkham games series with how many they all get captured throughout that game in general that start to get annoying for example like that in my opinion

[@jrob4795]

Tim Drake was awful in this series

[@salahdeanclemens2226]

There are more wasted/misused characters I can think of.

[@bandobrando3]

Did it seem like each member of the bat family in this game had a vendetta with Batman or is it just me ?

[@AnthonySmith-bj9mo]

hi Jay

[@R1SE101]

Jay‼️ There's something I'm not quite sure that you're aware of or not‼️ WB has made it virtually impossible for console players to purchase any of the DLC for Batmab Arkham Origins! Please make a video surrounding this! Please help make us fans heard! WB needs to fix this!!

[@NinjaskKing]

Batman was a one man army this whole series why didn’t he need robin at all exactly?

[@baggmansosa6154]

I ain’t gone lie it was weird to see Barbara and Tim be in a relationship together nbs😕

[@harley_yelrah9429]

Just wait till you play kill the justice league

[@Roberto_Valencia]

I'd rather be Batman than Robin.

[@TheBatman39]

Mfs now want that in Arkham Knight Rocksteady forced us to play as the rest of the Batfamily in a BATMAN GAME like how Insomniac forces you play as so many side characters in Spidermid 2. The videogame title is Batman: Arkham Knight, noy Batfamily: Arkham Knight. Besides from a storytelling perspective the bat-family are more of a nuisance nowadays for the character of Batman; i mean yeah they have cool designs and backstories and were really well written. Unfortunately, nowadays, they are used to portray Batman as an abusive father or as incompetent; while the rest of the quirky modern sidekicks are oh so much better heroes than him.

[@Metalman07]

First

[@Darklord805n7]

I beat you by 5 seconds better luck next time

[@thequestionable1413]

​@@Darklord805n7he shows up first though lol