THE BATMAN: Every Hidden CLUE You Missed About The Riddler's Master Plan + More Easter Eggs

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[@RPRsChannel]

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[@maxxp0wer1]

I also feel like the fact that Falcone wears sunglasses throughout the movie (even to the extent of keeping them on in a shadowy fist/gunfight, you never see Falcone without them) also implies that he is afraid of or avoiding "the light"

[@seanj3667]

The Blues Brothers did the same thing decades ago, except for Carrie Fisher.

[@Americansikkunt]

Or he always ready for a gunfight

[@vbun4662]

This was easily the best Gotham we've ever had in live-action. Also the best Batman story we've had too. A detective Batman movie, which we've sorely lacked over the decades. More comic book in feel and yet ironically more grounded than any of the Nolan films.

[@jackie-jamessmith2940]

Yes

[@zenonceballossineriz5032]

Hi! Why do you think it is more grounded?

[@Gamer8837]

Yes. I'm not hear to argue. I'm genuinely curious how it's more grounded.

[@Talpiot8200]

Gotham actually felt like Gotham and not NYC w batman

[@JRMagro]

Idk. Gotham in the show Gotham was pretty damn spot on too.

[@MrVTPhil]

During the Phone Call, the Riddler says he doesn't want anything from Batman and talks to him like a compatriot. It was at this point I realized the "twist" that Riddler thought Batman was on his side. I didn't realize this was a twist (or even that Batman didn't known it!) until the prison speech. Based on Riddlers screeching and disappointment to Batman's angry reaction upon learning this truth, I think it's clear that Riddler thought Batman knew all of this already. He thought he was leaving coded instructions to Batman, but Batman wasn't really able to figure this out, and thought they were "clues," only fulfilling Riddlers plans inadvertently. Riddler seemed genuinely disappointed to learn that Batman wasn't the brilliant peer he thought. Perhaps this encounter will prompt Batman to work on his detective skills and force him to rise to "Worlds Greatest Detective."

[@andrewshandle]

"Riddler seemed genuinely disappointed to learn that Batman wasn't the brilliant peer he thought." This is why I don't think Riddler knew who Batman was which is up for debate. Even if he figured it out after the the letter bomb didn't kill him, the second he realizes that Batman isn't as smart as he thought and that he wasn't working with him he wouldn't just keep quiet about his identity.

[@Toonwalla2010]

​@@andrewshandle That all depends. Knowing the Batman's secret identity, gives the Riddler a lot more power to manipulate/blackmail Batman in the future. if he does know then why let that power go to waste. Honestly even if Riddler does know the secret identity of Bruce Wayne, it probably doesn't matter to him. To him the persona of the Batman is more important. Batman is his fixation, the ideal he looked up to. Bruce Wayne was just another target in Riddler's line of fire.

[@andrewshandle]

@@Toonwalla2010 hmm, I don't think he was thinking that strategically while he was completely freaking out when Batman said they weren't friends. He didn't even give us a "maybe I was wrong about you, and you are more like that spoiled orphan" or something. I think it was also done to show that the Riddler isn't as smart as he thinks he is.

[@badmanners7078]

@@Toonwalla2010 If he thought Batman was bruce then he would know if he killed Bruce he would have killed his "partner". I like the idea that he knows and maybe in future movies he will but i dont believe he knows yet.

[@jorgesanf]

And after being disappointed by Batman, the Joker appears. Nice.

[@JunkFood32]

You mention that young Riddler sang in the orphan choir at Wayne’s mayoral speech, but also that you think it was heavily implied that the murdered journalist was Riddler’s father. I don’t think the timeline works out on that- he was an orphan before the speech, and before the reporters murder, seeing that the Wayne’s were killed shortly after the reporter. Just wanted to mention that, your videos covering this film are fantastic.

[@alkandrosrichards4987]

I grew up playing the Arkham games, and this movie felt EXACTLY like those games. It was perfect

[@michaelll]

It is funny how when batman got the pictures of the Don Mitchell Jr and Annika at the iceberg lounge together he never once asked himself where the pictures were taken from bc that would have solved where the riddler was right away.

[@andrewshandle]

Boom. Yep, a _massive_ plot hole that bothered me from the second they found Riddler's apartment. Like how does anyone not look at the photos and say "Hmm, where'd they shoot this from?", especially after they were all over the papers and the news?

[@mikalgibbs715]

Well he could’ve assumed that they were taken from the rooftop because it would be stupid to take them from where you live but that would be reverse psychology on the riddlers part which I think works well. Still kinda headcannon gymnastics though

[@doden4325]

Lol they needed to solve a puzzle to check the murder victims garage and find the thumb.

[@kermitthefrog5028]

@@andrewshandle not necessarily a plot hole as it is a mistake on Batman’s part

[@BJahoda]

@@andrewshandle he's only in year 2 of being batman. He missed a couple details because he isn't the world's greatest detective yet. Not a plot hole, actually just great writing and character development

[@MattiusW]

Matt Reeves also uses a callback to Let Me In with his Riddler abduction from the back seat, uses the same sound effects from the respirator in the hospital, and same camera work inside the car when the Penguin’s car is flipping. Let Me In is one of my favorite movies, and I loved these touches.

[@Donuhld1]

Watching this really makes you appreciate the move even more

[@salvtrooper113]

Edward Elliot being the Riddlers father is based on no evidence whatsoever

[@LyonHart1313]

Lots of misses and/or reaches in this video, in my opinion.

[@MikeTaffet]

Yeah, Screencrush is the only channel I’ve seen mentioning this. At no point have I ever seen it implied anywhere, and I’ve already seen the movie 3 times now

[@brivologin]

@Mike Taffet I could see how the movie could easily have made the connection between Elliot and Riddler, but it didn't. I've realized Screencrush is about 50% Easter egg hunt and 50% pseudo-deep takes like a crappy High School English class

[@MrMann0123]

What? He talked about the journalist in the way a son does for a dead father. Riddler is Tommy Elliot. It is clear as day, he might as well have put a spot light on it

[@fncsp8466]

the store in the beginning being robbed was called "Good Time"

[@HellfireClub242]

This is arguably one of the best Batman movies to date. I'm sorry but Pattinson and Bale are better Dark Knights than Affleck. The Batman truly nailed exactly what the Dark Detective should be. And Zoe Kravitz was excellent as Catwoman.

[@koammudo43]

Ben's batman is so different from any other batman it's almost not comparable Ben's batman is on a different level . That aside Pattinson might be my new fav

[@saml302]

"Now Imma let Affleck finish, but Pattison was the best Batman of all time, y'all!"

[@hirolla74]

Pattison's Batman is more of the detective type, which I like. Compared to the brutish/gagetry type with Affleck and Bale. This movie is more like Se7en, which I loved, than the action movie like previous Batmans. The villains think more in this movie.

[@ashishkumarmohan932]

@@saml302 did you use Taylor Swift speech to Kanye West in VMAs? Good Reference 😎

[@lucasflaming5330]

Idk a out Pattinson yet but bale was a better Bruce Wayne but Affleck was a better Batman. Bale didn't show the broken soul that Batman is. It's essential for the character. Bale was still stuck in American psycho when he played Bruce Wayne

[@SolarMechanic]

There's a very clear reason why Elliot can't be Nash's father: Nash was already an Orphan before he was killed. It's made very clear that Nash was in the choir singing during the press conference when Thomas Wayne announced both the Renewal Fund and his bid to be Mayor. It was this political bid that made him the target of the press leading to him asking Falcone to silence Elliot, which got Elliot killed, which led to Wayne getting killed for threatening to go to the police. The timeline just doesn't add up.

[@WikipediaLover94]

I'm sure someone else has said this, but the timeline for the reporter being the Riddler's father doesn't seem to fit because he was singing in the orphan choir at the launch of Thomas's campaign but it seemed like the murder of the reporter was later in his campaign

[@WikipediaLover94]

Actually for what it's worth, Thomas Wayne apparently didn't announce his candidacy for mayor until ten days before the election? In Arkham the Riddle says something like "I was there the day Thomas Wayne announced his candidacy, and ten days later he was dead" and combined with the news lady mentioning the murder of the mayor was almost ten days to the date that the Wayne's were murdered. So 1) Thomas Wayne announced his candidacy with ten days left to campaign and 2) apparently Gotham mayors serve five year terms? And 3) these are all basically throw away lines and it doesn't matter actually

[@jamesobringer1335]

Great movie, I enjoyed your breakdown of it! 1 question, after the DA is killed, batman is taken into custody, assaults Gordon and escapes amid gunfire. However, after police arrest the Riddler, Batman is allowed to walk around his apartment, a crime scene, surrounded by cops. Wasn't he a fugitive from the law at that point? Weren't the police just trying to kill him a day ago? Why wasn't he arrested? Sorry if this is digging to deeply into an fictional story, but I found it odd, and easily avoidable by not having Batman detained in the first place.

[@csxanatos653]

Good catch, James. You have a keen eye and/or a lack of imagination and are the definition of generational pain in the arse. Jk, I don't know the answer.

[@ogchadillac]

There was some showing/not telling that happened between the scene where Batman "attacks" Gordon and when Batman apprehends Falcone. When Batman opens the doors to the Iceburg Lounge, Falcone talks about the corruption in Gotham and within the police force. When the doors open, it is shown and said that not all of the cops were corrupt. It can be inferred that these officers were ones who were not on Falcone's payroll, and Gordon was able to tell them the truth about Batman after the information that Batman gathered.

[@OutrageousLilKillers]

They shouldn't of shot at him - I'll just retcon it and go with a mob cop initiated the shooting going after him, and others started shooting in the confusion of things aka "reflex" "sympathy" fire. (High shot counts may be attributed to a phenomenon called "sympathetic fire" or "reflexive fire," which occurs when one officer fires on a suspect, so one or more officers with them start firing, too, even if they haven't immediately perceived the suspect to be a threat)

[@christophernash8166]

Its a plot hole and it took me out of the movie.

[@csxanatos653]

@@christophernash8166 lol...simpleton

[@lordxaiiva]

Ave Maria also uses an Enigmatic scale, which makes it quite fitting as theme music for the riddler.

[@mydoggylives]

The reason the Riddler was dragging out the final riddle was to wear down the time given to Colson to answer. He wanted him to answer quickly and not hem and haw. But Colson was too afraid to answer, because he knew he'd be dead either way.

[@HighlyDetailed]

The more I think of this movie, the more I like it! In a way, it is a sort of "Bruce Wayne Begins" cause at the end of the movie Batman gets to understand that he cannot only be shadow and vengeance, he needs to inspire, to be something more, a light for the ones who are lost, and that light can be the other him: Bruce Wayne. Brilliant!

[@robi6317]

or just batman helping out in broad daylight, on the news

[@senordd]

Maybe I’ve seen too many movies with WTF twists but I didn’t find it very shocking that Riddler thought Batman was on his side.

[@PK-ow1kj]

That makes two of us. If anything, I think it was a poor miscalculation by Riddler for not doing his homework first. ( studying Batman's sense of justice, goal, moves and patterns ) When the only way to catch/join someone is to play their game then they need to consider the possibility of both. Tbh Riddler is not as smart as it seems.

[@MomFearsMyMusic]

Ryan working overtime on the The Batman content. Love ya, sir. Keep it up.

[@believe88]

for the views and that ad in the middle.

[@MomFearsMyMusic]

@@believe88 ad was the best part! Lol

[@pusakalye.]

I love the fact that this movie is about 90% batman and 10% bruce wayne.

[@andrewshandle]

In the first section you say that Riddler was an orphan in the choir who sang at Thomas Wayne's Mayoral announcement, in the next section you say the Riddler is the son of the reporter who was killed by Falcone _after_ this point of the movie. The timing doesn't really add up and I really don't think they'd waste Hush like that, especially since it really wasn't needed for the story.

[@johnlong8952]

I want to watch that scene again but I think you're right that it's just a churchoir of children not a choir made out of orphans. And that Thomas Wayne was just making a mention of the children are our future that's why blah blah blah block politician.

[@andrewshandle]

@@johnlong8952 Dano and Pattinson in real life are about the same age (37 and 35) , and it appears they imply the same thing in the movie too, so it was pretty close to the same time, but based on the photos in that one scene, Riddler was already an orphan before Thomas Wayne died. I do think Wayne died very soon after he was an orphan though because once Wayne died his big Renewal Fund was hijacked and orphanage suffered. I think it’d be a real waste of the Hush storyline to shoehorn it in with this movie though so I hope they don’t do that.

[@johnlong8952]

@@andrewshandle so those kids singing ava Maria were orphans at that time? Or not I don't know.

[@andrewshandle]

@@johnlong8952 I believe so, I wouldn't bet my house on it though. :) Thomas Wayne supported the orphanage which went to the crapper after he died (according to Batman when he takes Gordon there), and Riddler was singing in the choir, so I _believe_ it's said that it's an orphan choir.

[@Thurston86]

@@johnlong8952 Yes, the choir is made up of orphans and it’s made very clear that Riddler was one of those orphans. I agree with OP, the timeline doesn’t work for this theory.

[@ScreenCrush]

Were there any clues we missed?

[@Trey-Jae]

Other video capped at 480 huh

[@robi6317]

i feel like there is a relation to superman with the adrenaline being green (like kryptonite), mainly from the Generations comics wherein the Wayne family line gets some superpowers from Superman thru a serum or crossbreeding or something - its a stretch but still...

[@tomleonard830]

No one seems to have noticed that in addition to the carpet tucker used as a murder weapon, Riddler uses carpet sheers to pop the mayor’s tires.

[@IMD918]

Maybe his father was a carpet installer. The video mentions him possibly being a reporter, and comments are saying that theory doesn't line up with the timeline. Maybe he actually installed carpet, and now his son is carrying out crimes with his father's tools kinda like Bruce uses his father's money to fight crime.

[@wesking5171]

Screen Crush your my favorite movie channel and then bengals are my team. And you just threw that OG Bengals highlight in there just made my day!! Thank you!

[@l.sdarkholme7559]

That comment about the angle of the photos being taken across the street, was brilliant.

[@josephbugg7260]

Easily the best DC film since Nolan's trilogy

[@kamoheloiannk617]

Anyone notice the date the riddler chose for judgment day? 5th of November.. Like a certain V from a certain Vendetta. Referencing

[@AI-mg3hy]

11:34 this looks like a production still based on the apparent mic visible. It's curious that they have Selena with Falcone at the funeral here like we all thought it was going to be before the other woman showed her face.

[@anujviswanathan7515]

The more I watch his vids the more I start to love this film

[@KristianEgs]

Another easter egg: When batman stabs himself with the concoction and goes into a rage, I couldn't help but seeing a flash of Bane in him! The vial was even with a green liquid/top

[@dermilchmann3655]

You saw a flash of Bane in him, because Bane used Venom too, but the scene is based on Batman: Venom.

[@rcokting]

im not sure that the riddler did figure out batman was bruce. if riddler knew that batman was bruce wayne why did he try to kill bruce wayne but also address further clues to batman. but also if we take riddler at his word that batman is the true identity he wouldnt care who the alter ego is.

[@jejejow]

Exactly. He didn't care about Batman's alter ego, but Batman thought he had figured it out and that let him leave loose ends. He thought the unmasking video was about himself, so he let it slide when it could've thwarted the Riddler's plan early.

[@jaewall401]

When riddler says “they wanna unmask you but Ik this is the real you” I thought that was him saying there’s no need to find his secret cus batman is the true man

[@razytaz1]

I saw The Batman a second time and noticed the date of the election. November 5th. I turned to my friend and asked if V for Vendetta was a DC. And sure enough some of V for Vendetta stories were published by DC Comics. Not sure if there is much correlation. "Remember, remember, the 5th of November."

[@NiyiDaNinja]

8:22 The thing is Riddler thought Batman did know what the carpet tucker symbolized cause he thought they were working together and he told him "you're not as smart as I thought" when he realized that Batman didn't figure out that last clue

[@MikeTaffet]

Yeah, but the “my confession” could easily have been “here’s the murder weapon that killed Mitchell”. No one had any reason to expect it meant “pry up the carpet”

[@NiyiDaNinja]

@@MikeTaffet but the thing is he expected him to know for some reason. Maybe I forgot a clue but that was weird now that you mention it

[@kimberlym-w9926]

Thank you this video is great in explaining the clues what The Batman telling their viewers!! 🎉❤️🥳👍🎈⭐️🎉

[@culchiefilms1791]

You missed the scene where you can actually see Riddler looking out of the window that he later shoots out of

[@wrightyy]

Paul Dano was so good at this role. However, I think Jim Carrey's Riddler was very mention worthy. Fantastic interpretation.

[@9to5jackson]

I like how he snuck that deal dash in 😭😂

[@jaredchenklov1532]

The Riddler couldn’t have been the son of the reporter cuz he was already at the orphanage before Thomas Wayne was murdered. And Wayne was murdered the same day as the reporter. Would’ve been cool though. Basically would’ve been the Hush storyline but Riddler is Hush.

[@dukerz24]

I was going to say the same thing

[@muffyy01]

Wasn't there a universe where the Riddler became hush instead of Bruce's old friend?

[@therockingvolbeat3630]

Riddler isn’t hush and the reporters second name is Elliot which is coincidentally hush’s second name

[@muffyy01]

Ah alright. I was just confused since one version really did take Hushs role which I hope Reeves won't take up on since that involved a Lazarus pit

[@dermilchmann3655]

@@muffyy01 The Riddler became Hush instead of Bruce's old friend in the DC Animated Movie Universe (DCAMU).

[@atumra107]

You did a bit of reaching (wantIng him to fake his own death by sending him a bomb without warning him doesn't really make sense. He didn't know he was Batman) and overlooked the most obvious clue I was waiting for you to say. The very first words he sends to Batman reveal his perspective: "From your secret FRIEND"

[@Warhawk812]

Your transitions for your in video ads are always super flawless. Oh, and your breakdowns are pretty good too. 🤝

[@HornedSerpent86]

The Riddler was using some Jigsaw style traps

[@v.k.levigne]

Thumbs up for the photo angle bit alone. Really good catch there, cheers

[@f4rt989]

Really hope freeze shows up and puts all this water to good use

[@dermilchmann3655]

🤣

[@knownasgooose]

I was literally watching the other video when it just cut off 😂

[@banqueproductions2763]

Me too 🤣🤣

[@MrSchwartz1210]

I don’t know if anybody caught this but the cord progression for the Nirvana song that they use in the movie is the same cord progression they made for the Batman theme.

[@cnashford2]

13:11 - 13:14 Thank you! I've watched so many videos to see who that "I'm Vengeance" goon was. Couldn't tell if it was the guy to whom Batman delivers that line (while punching him unconscious) at the beginning of the film or the guy at the funeral (who's credited as "Bitter Nobody" on IMDb).

[@amag140696]

I disagree that the Riddler knew Batman's real identity. When Batman doesn't connect the carpet tool to the rug in the apartment, the Riddler calls him out for it and says he's not as smart as he thought. The Riddler assumed that Batman would've understood what it was, but if he knew Batman was Bruce Wayne he would've known Bruce wouldn't know what the tool was since he came from a wealthy privilege life, and thus wouldn't have caught on to the Riddler's final plan. Ironically, the only person who made the connect that Batman must've grown up wealth was Catwoman.

[@PK-ow1kj]

That bat suit and batmobile worth millions, it's a no brainer to assume that he's a multi millionaire/billionaire. Tbh I'm more shocked that the so called " smartest character " in the film couldnt figure it out.

[@thecoolblacknerd]

🤔Why are some people under the assumption that The Riddler knew the identity of The Batman, it’s obvious he didn’t since he tried to blow up Bruce Wayne with that packaged bomb that also had a FIRE PROOF card/clue left for The Batman 😅 also I think the new Mayor of Gotham has something to do with everything involving The Riddler’s plan, I think she fed him all that info he needed knowing he may act on it & him doing that would benefit her campaign as it did…her getting shot in the shoulder by a henchman was all apart of the plan

[@Mahmoud-bl3hp]

The last part of your comment is really interesting cause the slogan off Bella real is “a real change” and we see riddler using it too.

[@justonian_]

Even The Batman thought Riddler knew his true identity

[@justonian_]

What if she’s Harley Quinn??

[@kermitthefrog5028]

That would be interesting, maybe she could be a member of the Court of Owls as well hmmmm

[@hankebeats7377]

This KZbin channel is awesome. They’ve been doing a great job for a long time.

[@paradoxN0W]

"Joker's plan" LOL

[@kevinbubel1989]

12:04 GOD allegory. (Eyes of LIGHT) "on BATMAN shoulder"

[@elimiranda01]

Well done break down of this film

[@DanRyanCarter]

The original riddle is "what's black and _white_ and red (read) all over?" The black and white referencing the white newspaper and black ink. Riddler changed it to black and blue, which has a double meaning of the police (black and blue uniforms) and beat up (aka black and blue).

[@jacobharvey2946]

We missed lots of “clues”… the theater we watched in had everything in a muddy gray… Can’t wait to watch again with our 4k HDR TV when it comes out on disc/digital.

[@experienceanimation217]

The hero lost in this film. And I love it

[@novembersgold]

12:34 *Riddler’s plan

[@JquanRAID]

Oh lord lol you just had to show that bengals vs baltimore game did you 😂😂 i was hurt that game 😂

[@poogie4812]

You are pretty damn good at you r segways into your sponsors

[@poogie4812]

Late night host level

[@ABs70nova]

The whole "where the pictures were taken" did honestly cross my mind. Buttttt. I figured the cops in the movie already looked into that like real cops would lol

[@jasongallagher5464]

The twist where Falcone was brought into the light bc Riddler was playing Batman to get to him to kill him didn’t really resonate with me much. Also, the movie didn’t do a good enough job of emphasizing how reclusive Falcone was in order to make that that big a deal.

[@therockingvolbeat3630]

I don’t think it was about falcone being reclusive and more riddler wanting to make a public scene out of it

[@gregordrizzlewing7339]

It doesn’t but in hindsight it was a very good play. The one time the rat comes into the light he’s exposed I loved it tbh

[@serwinzzalot9989]

Danny elfmans theme is subtly heard in the soft theme which might be a bruce wayne theme emerging...also batman running down the side of the building is an adam west homage...the joker resembles arkham games version...could still be inspired by joaquin Phoenix version...willem dafoe would have liked to have been 1 of 2 jokers if he had the chance..

[@RoriesWorld]

I remember the “ Occurrence at Owl Creek Bridge “ from the Twilight Zone!!! Crazy lol

[@lavenderpants8695]

Thank you! Occurance at Owl Creek Bridge is one of the best twists ever. It's been overdone and practically turned into a trope since.

[@Zmayn]

something else that foreshadowed the twist that batman was doing the riddler’s bidding was at the first crime scene when commissioner savage says “he’s involved in this?” after seeing the postcard left for batman. gordon says “no he’s not” and the commissioner says “how do you know?!”. he was right batman was involved but just didn’t know it yet.

[@lizardman9494]

Don’t really think or see how the reporter could be riddlers dad. If I remember correctly the reporter was named. Can’t remember the first name, but the last name was Elliot, riddlers last name in the movie is Nash. And didn’t really see any connection between the riddler and the reporter. If somebody could fill me in

[@mdaddy775]

ScreenCrush crushes it again!

[@andrewshandle]

One question never answered is why if he’s so up front and personal with all his victims does he just send a letter bomb to BW. I mean, we all know why in that the movie would be over in that case because either Bruce would stop the Riddler or the Riddler would kill Bruce, but it’d be nice if they at least had a throw away line in there about why he completely changed his MO for that one victim.

[@linkaran512]

My guess, was because Bruce was such a recluse, he couldn't figure out a way to get to him.

[@guerrafitzgerald]

So one bit of foreshadowing was that his mask design was similar to Batman‘s. And we will learn later on his live stream where people are making suggestions on how to DIY certain things. They were probably telling each other how to design a mask similar to Batman‘s. Even though it’s not clear whether they are doing it because they love him or hate him. it is showing their connection to him.

[@MrBazBake]

Black and white and read all over, not black and blue. Black and blue and dead all over means someone was beaten to death.

[@julianrivas1224]

Batman injects himself with venom to overcome his fatigue to save Selena.

[@nitsugazemag]

I don't think that the Riddler knew the entire time about Bruce Wayne being the Batman. I think his brief encounter at the funeral spelled it out for him as he stared up at his silhouette and how he dove in to save the mayor's son from being ran over by the oncoming vehicle. His plan splintered a bit to make sure it was him when he chose, as the batman, to go chase the clue at the orphanage. I do like that he couldn't spell it out because that would break the integrity of his M.O., his riddles. So, he taunts him. I like that it's ambiguous because questions like that get us to speculate and fill-in-the-gaps. Him telling him that his mask is his true self might be leaning toward him knowing who he is. Either that, it's ours and the paranoia from Bruce/Batman himself.

[@stoneobscurity]

i kinda thought the guy at the funeral was joe chill. the way he says to bruce, 'you seem familiar' then his eyes go wide and then narrow, just as bruce gets distracted and walks away, he then retreats back into a shadow.

[@d20revolt57]

The Halloween-themed cards are part of the puzzle, though. Three of them have to do with judgment day. The second card has a scientist on it and contains references to chemistry and mad scientists. The third one says "In these trying times, WE MUST NEVER FORGET." After 9/11 the slogan most people had on their cars was, "9/11 NEVER FORGET." Couple this with the outline of the sea wall and it all adds up. Batman backed away out of fear for his identity being exposed, a mistake he won't make again.

[@um-vl6on]

Idk man... I wouldn't say that the Riddler's plan is genius. like OK, he needed batman to bring Falcone out so he can kill him, but come on, he can make a very elaborate sophisticated plan, and he can't just bring Falcone out himself? And what is the purpose of his last puzzle (the carpet thingy) other than helping batman to stop his plan? And his "snapping" moment, when he spill out that his plan was to make both of them in arkham so that they can see the flooding of Gotham, is kinda unreasonable. why would he say that to him? why don't just lure time until the bomb explode?

[@ThousanWhite]

This is one of the best breakdowns you've guys have done on the channel. Excellent work.

[@MachinexMinifigs]

Fun Fact. The Occurrence on Owl Creek Bridge was where Owl City's name came from.

[@youtubeaccountlol4942]

Edit: the original riddle is "what's black and white and re(a)d all over".

[@colinfitz6392]

Great vid, Riddler does not know he's Bruce, however. They made that clear

[@shawnthompson2303]

He 1,111% knows.

[@Hession0Drasha]

Characters can lie. It might make him feel powerfull to keep bruce guessing if he knows or not. Or like it would be too easy of a win. Riddler wants to outsmart bman.

[@damianmonzillo6058]

One more point about “being underwater” is it’s meaning financially. Being underwater is owing more on a home than it’s worth.

[@stainedboxerz]

why is the last scene overlooked, reason why they are wearing riddlers outfit, on riddlers vlob site, on the chat, one of the guys getting ready to storm the garden says he found the mask at some location dont remember if it was a gunstore or general hunting store. it just wasnt one guy, they all were from the group on riddlers vlob site that had a final mission from riddler to storm the garden.

[@MikeFurth]

My wife had a great point. Did Wayne’s negligence with his accounts allow some of the perversion of his family’s trust?

[@andrewshandle]

Maybe later, but he was like 10 years old when his parents died and they started pillaging that fund right away. Also, it took a forensic scientist to find the fraud…now, maybe Batman should catch that though, and I’d suspect a future Batman who uses Bruce Wayne to his advantage might. So definitely the last two years he was negligent because all he cared about was running around as Batman.

[@robi6317]

was that in the movie? that his funds were perverted? wouldnt Alfred be on top of that?

[@andrewshandle]

@@robi6317 Yes, it was discussed in literally the first scene in the mayoral debate and was repeatedly talked about the entire film. Alfred is a butler, how is he managing a multi billion dollar charitable fund that he has no control over? The city took over the fund after Thomas Wayne died.

[@zappbraniggan]

The original riddle is "what's black and white and read all over" not black and blue

[@toneoftones7053]

0:52 brings back painful memories

[@wrightyy]

Bro, there is a trivia enter in IMDB that says you can see Riddler looking out of his apartment at some point in the movie. When Batman leaves the club I think. I couldn't see it!

[@Barrydavillain]

Riddler doesn't know Batman's identity. Why would he send a fireproof letter to Batman if he was trying to kill him? If he was dead, how would he read the letter to him?

[@jeremynunez1762]

In the scene where Gil Coulson has the bomb strapped to his neck and he's holding a phone in which The Riddler is live streaming himself to talk to Batman, if you look at the on-going chat, one of the commenter's name is "No.to.morrow or Not.o.morrow". T.O.Morrow, for those who don't know is a supervillain responsible for creating (among others) Red Tornado, a member of the Justice League

[@dermilchmann3655]

Thank you very much!

[@solvseus]

This is why I joined the channel, and a few others. I'm really getting into some of these movies, and these breakdowns and easter egg vids are helpful for stuff I miss. So glad you aren't doing the current Looper thing and just posting a bunch of 5m vids that say nothing. They're at almost 50 in the last week now. Also, hi Doug!

[@TrollStack]

The original riddle is “What’s black and white and read all over” not black and blue

[@dermilchmann3655]

From season 1 of the TV show Gotham

[@koammudo43]

Nobody mentioned they literally mention the sea wall in the beginning before riddler kills the guy not only the paper

[@bubby14]

@ryanarey I disagree that the disgruntled guy at the Mayors funeral was the “I am Vengeance” Riddler acolyte at the end. In fact I strongly believe we got our view of Joe Chill, Thomas and Martha Wayne’s murderer. He says to Bruce, “Don’t I know you?” as he stopped rambling about another rich person getting what they deserved. Bruce can’t look away as he’s being pushed along and the man slips into shadows, eyes locked the entire time.

[@andrewshandle]

Why can’t it be both? He killed the Waynes when he robbed them and didn’t care if he killed them because hates the rich, then later gets more radicalized and starts following the Riddler.

[@bubby14]

@@andrewshandle I only disagree that it’s the same guy because they don’t look alike other than being white + male. But thematically your idea works.

[@andrewshandle]

@@bubby14 so he had clingwrap on his face I think, there were comments in the Riddlers social media posts telling people to wear it to avoid leaving forensic evidence. Paul Dano started wearing it during his scenes all method actor like, but he couldn’t sweat so he stopped.

[@kermitthefrog5028]

I took him recognizing him as the fact that’s he’s a billionaire you know

[@bubby14]

@@kermitthefrog5028 Ah, but he didn’t recognize him as B.W. (Billionaire) or else he would have said so with scorn. He recognizes the eyes of the child he didn’t kill. Plus Bruce staring back at him was portrayed as too impactful for just someone talking smack.

[@AdiAfendi]

5:05 The original riddle is "What's black and WHITE and red all over". While I understood the change from RED to DEAD, why blue?

[@all-in9365]

Batman is blue and black think about it

[@AdiAfendi]

@@all-in9365 Not in the movie, he's not.

[@all-in9365]

@@AdiAfendi well idk what else to tell you

[@AdiAfendi]

@@all-in9365 Me, neither.

[@pillar81]

I was wondering why The Riddler let Batman solve the riddle for Colson. It all makes sense now.

[@dermilchmann3655]

Why did the Riddler let Batman solve the riddle for Coulson?

[@MrMann0123]

Yup. Naston is a pseudonym. Riddler is Hush, this was the Hush story done right, Riddler is Tommy Elliot. Couldn't have been clearer.

[@ryansheehan7053]

That was one hell of an ad transition.

[@zachgrund5716]

When Batman was leading people out, it made a bat symbol

[@jayrodvazquez]

You can also see the riddler in his apartment and a telescope in the very top left corner of the shot where Selena first comes out of the club!!!

[@lamajbrown75]

The actor spray painting broke is the same guy who lost his legs in Superman vs Batman.

[@nickymo]

I think it’d be interesting in pt2 if we find out Thomas Wayne had more skeletons, and was a little worse than just being accidentally a bad guy that one time. No one reaches a status so high they can just give away $1billion in vague charity donations without cracking a LOT of eggs along the way. And the way the story lets Thomas off the hook feels like a cop out in regards to the broader themes of the Batman. I started thinking about this more now that we’ve been inside Arkham Asylum in this world via Sofia in the Penguin show, how she was a woman framed for getting too close to the truth and condemned to the insane asylum. Is something similar in store for Martha Wayne? Whom we already know her stay in Arkham was covered up? Spooky to think about

[@blink182topfan]

Excellent