The Beast from the East! | Area 51 Test Flight | GKS MiG-21 - Full Flight Review | MSFS

[@iamthefatstig]

Now I wish I'd bagged this in the recent marketplace sale! Superb video as per usual.

[@johnwicks4936]

It's on sale right now on SimMarket.

[@urgentsiesta7606]

available via Orbx, as well.

[@IntotheBlueSimulations]

I believe the aircraft is still on sale in the Marketplace SS? I managed to purchase the jet 1 day *before* the sales myself - gutted XD Thanks very much, I'm glad you enjoyed the video! All the best : )

[@shivendrasingh2355]

Excellent review my friend, absolutely spot on as always! So grateful to you for making this, Glad that you enjoyed some aspects of it, while rightly pointing out the ones that could use improvement. Sadly the devs are based in Kyiv....I just wanted to thank them too if they'd be reading this for developing such a lovely piece of work for this sim despite being in the most difficult of circumstances. Let's pray all can be well there, hopefully they'll find time to churn out some more updates as they have been doing recently. Keep up the great work and go ITB :D

[@IntotheBlueSimulations]

Hi Shiv, Many thanks once again! I'm glad you enjoyed the review and indeed thanks for the recommendation, as I'm really enjoying the jet overall. I had heard that GKS are based in Ukraine. Obviously I wish them the very best and hope things return to normal there as soon as possible! Of course, there are far more important things in life than pretend aeroplanes. Cheers man! : )

[@renatoigmed]

I still hope that Microsoft decides to develop another team in cooperation with ASOBO to launch a specific simulator for military operations like the DCS on the market and thus offer another product in the competition for those who want to dive headlong into this challenging world of air combat and attack and defense missions across various eras of history in conflicts involving air forces from World War I through the Cold War to the present day. They are missing out on a huge market only some CEO should realize that.

[@IntotheBlueSimulations]

From what I see in the comments of my videos, you certainly aren’t the only one to wish such a product existed Renato (indeed, I would very much like to see that myself!). Hopefully Microsoft will “dip their toe” into the combat flight simulator “water” again one day. . . Cheers, all the best! : )

[@lust4life577]

I hope not. There is enough war already on this planet, let's have some peace at least on virtual earth. I only fly this because my dad used to fly a real one. Great video btw!

[@louis-philippelacharite7201]

Eagle dynamic is working on a world map ....

[@AnthonyAdrianAcker]

It's been so long since the last MS Combat Flight Simulator!

[@yeeters2347]

MSFS has a perfected Control Scheme, for PC, Console (Controller), it all almost works perfectly with minimal needs for modification and such. With DCS having a stupidly complicated and off putting control system, if we had the Physics, Game Types, Missions and whatnot of DCS but with the Control Pattern of MSFS, would make a great game.

[@asill8122]

Another great review. Thanks. Had a little chuckle at the apology for the late review, because you were learning Russian & learning how to fly the plane. That's definitely top class dedication. That version of the Mig 21 seems like the Curates Egg - good in parts. Not a plane I'd go for but really liked the 'test pilot' approach to the review. You obviously decided to skip the tower fly-by at the end, to go for the hangar!

[@IntotheBlueSimulations]

Thanks very much AS! Haha. Usually, I can learn my way around an addons systems pretty quickly, but it's much harder when they follow a slightly different logic to your typical Western design, there are 1,000 switches and they're all labelled in Russian XD Yes, the GKS MiG is rather a mixed bag. I have to say; I'm very much enjoying the jet myself, but it could be superb, instead of merely good (I gather the dev is Ukrainian though, so obviously much more pressing things to worry about currently!). I'm glad you enjoyed the "test" approach. Of course, I had to be told that it's the "wrong MiG" etc (a Bis, as opposed to an F-13) and there I was, simply trying to come up with an entertaining format haha. That open hangar was just too tempting but funnily enough, I also took a look at the MiG in DCS (video to come at a later date) and the hangar wasn't open there, sooooo. . . ; ) Many thanks once again! : )

[@RobertRogers-e6m]

Thank you for another excellent review. I always watch your reviews on any aircraft that I am interested in. I know they will be honest and respectful . Pointing out the good as well as the not so good issues. Thank you once again

[@lpcox]

thank you for the great review again, I was also waiting for this because of the personal experiences. we had these in the Hungarian Airforce, saw them several times flying at air shows, also my father has one on the shelf in 1:32 scale. Not to mention the one we have in the middle of a roundabout :D your video make me say that I won’t go for this right now, but I can promise to GKS that it will be an instant get after they fix those truly disappointing sounds. cheers!

[@IntotheBlueSimulations]

You were saying Péter. . . ? : P I hope you are enjoying the MiG and indeed, hopefully we'll get some better sounds for the aircraft one day! Many thanks once again : )

[@samfxnz]

Really like combo of a historical event and product review, perfect match.

[@IntotheBlueSimulations]

Thanks very much Sam! Whilst it was pointed out that the real life MiG-21 was an F13, as opposed to the Bis, I thought the format made for something a little bit different and hopefully interesting : ) Very much appreciated and all the best to you!

[@ThijsF28]

Finally a review of the Mig 21, now i can use your video as reference to teach me to fly this beast 😁

[@IntotheBlueSimulations]

Haha, well I certainly can't claim to be an expert on the MiG myself Thijs, but hopefully there should be enough there to get you airborne! Happy flying and all the best : )

[@TickleFight94]

Thanks ITBS! I picked this up on sale - I totally agree, really nice systems and flight modeling but it needs a few higher resolution cockpit textures and custom exterior sounds to be a $40 product. For Xbox - GKS has fixed the controller interaction except for the button which allows you to repack the parachute so either plug in a mouse or 1 use per flight. There is also a lot here which really needs a better manual. Autopilot can perform basic heading/alt hold functions and you can pin VOR/ILS/ADF/COM frequencies to the clipboards from the modern stack standbys, then turn off the modern radios and use the original equipment cycling through the pinned frequencies. Learning how to fly this thing into ground effect to get effective aero-braking on flare is challenging but you can achieve some pretty short roll-outs if you nail it.

[@IntotheBlueSimulations]

Cheers Tickle, I'm glad you're enjoying the MiG! There's definitely some room for improvement, but I've been having a lot of fun with the jet also. I haven't played around with the nav functions all that much yet, but will have to do so at some point! Happy flying : )

[@sammango5005]

i only buy after your review. you do the best plane reviews

[@IntotheBlueSimulations]

Cheers Sam! Very kind of you to say and thoroughly appreciated. I'm really glad you're finding the content enjoyable / useful : ) All the best!

[@MattBo1993]

Great video again mate. Glad you got around to reviewing it!

[@IntotheBlueSimulations]

Thanks very much Matt! Yeah, me too haha. The MiG-21 is obviously far from perfect, but I had a lot of fun with the addon overall and I'm glad I purchased it - just gutted I missed out on the Black Friday sale price, by 1 day! XD Cheers and all the best! : )

[@zaelu]

Very good review, I also picked the Mig21 from SimMarket App when it was at a closer price to my budget and what I consider fair for MSFS but had time basically just for a pattern plus a go around because the runway at Cannes Mandelieu proved way too short for a habitual enthusiastic DCS style landing LOL. The DCS Mig21 had similar simplification with nose wheel steering but after some complaints they made it more true to life and toggleable between the two modes afaik. Normally gear lever should be placed on Neutral position to avoid bleeding off the pressure in the system. Also when landing throttle should not go bellow 85% or 80% due to the boundary layer control system relying on engine power and losing it can lead to... problems :) . Is worth following the development of this module that is fairly good. The FM and engine model do need attention when the dev will have the time. The nose cone controls and anti surge doors I am not sure they have relevance for now but I haven't time to test it. Thanks for your effort! Cheers!

[@IntotheBlueSimulations]

Hello again Zaelu, Thanks very much, I'm glad you enjoyed the review : ) I agree, the aircraft is a bit pricey for what it is; on sale though, I think it's a good pickup (I missed the sales, by purchasing 1 day too early ha! XD ). On the GKS MiG, the gear lever automatically defaults to the neutral position, once the gear has retracted (I did actually make mention of the pneumatic issue, but that got cut from the video haha). Makes sense on the throttle, same as the F-104 - it didn't seem as though any SPS system had really been modelled on the GKS MiG though (and indeed, I think a few of the other systems are very surface level in nature, as you mention). I still really like the GKS MiG-21 and though I gather the dev is in Ukraine (so obviously has better things to worry about at the moment!), I do hope things return to normal there as soon as possible and hopefully the MiG will get a little more attention one day. . . Cheers once again!

[@zaelu]

@@IntotheBlueSimulations Yes, I also hope in things getting better there. Cheers!

[@pawelkrupowicz2539]

Saying that the GKS version is "slightly" different from the Have Donut version is a big understatement... Have Donut F13 version is late 1950s design, while Bis version represented by GKS add-on is late 1970s variant. I would say it is almost completely different... For example the engine is completely different, MUCH more powerful in Bis. It's like saying that 1967 Ford Escort is slightly different from the 1986 one :)

[@IntotheBlueSimulations]

Hi Pawel, Haha, well fair enough, I'm not all that familiar with my Russian aircraft, but the results of this video won't be going off to the US Defence Intelligence Agency; I just thought it was an interesting story and (hopefully) an entertaining way of reviewing the jet ; ) To be fair, if the Bis is significantly more powerful than the F13, that only goes to prove most of my findings all the more; the GKS MiG should have (presumably) easily been able to reach the top Mach number of the F13, come off the brakes in full afterburner etc. I appreciate your point though. Cheers and all the best! : )

[@volkerjansen3901]

Thank you for another wonderful video! Not my type of plane, but that cockpit modeling looks very life-like. A few years ago I read "Red Eagles: America’s Secret MiGs" by Steve Davies about the American pilots test-flying captured Russian planes, and as far as I remember that was an excellent book.

[@IntotheBlueSimulations]

Many thanks once again Volker! Haha, I appreciate that not everyone is a fan of these military jets in MSFS but then again, not everyone likes the airliners, warbirds, GA stuff either haha. That's one of the reasons I like to keep a mix of aircraft / content on the channel - something for everyone ; ) Sounds like a good book - very much this sort of thing then! Cheers once again. Have a great weekend : )

[@boudewijnzwaal8186]

Can I just say that it’s amazing you respond to almost every comment? Not a lot of youtubers do that!

[@IntotheBlueSimulations]

Haha, thank you very much Boudewijn! It's honestly very pleasing to know that my efforts haven't gone unnoticed, as it takes a huge amount of time / effort, replying to everyone. Unfortunately, things have now gotten to the point where I can't keep up haha, so I shall have to become more selective with my replies, but I will make sure that those who need some help etc, still get it ; ) Many thanks once again!

[@akbarkumar1]

The Mig21 is a timeless aircraft. She never gets old. It's been 69 years in 2024 since she first flew. Still flying high in many airforces around the world. There will never be another fighter like you, Mig21 :)

[@superwinkta4682]

That hanger pass was righteous. 🤩

[@IntotheBlueSimulations]

Haha, cheers! It was just sitting there open - seemed rude not to! : P

[@ancientmonotheism5118]

ITBS is a top notched flight sim review. People dont really read written reviews anymore, especially "younger desktop flyers".

[@IntotheBlueSimulations]

Thanks very much AM, I’m really glad you enjoyed the video / found it useful! Yes, I suppose as with many things, modern media has somewhat killed off written sim reviews. I suppose, “a picture does paint a thousand words” and video reviews do allow the viewer to get much more of a “feel” for what they will be purchasing. The downside, I suppose, is that you don’t really get that same level of “anticipation”, when trying a new addon these days, as it already feels as though you’ve experienced much of what the aircraft has to offer. I used to read a lot of reviews back in the day but now, I barely get time to watch any, as I’m usually busy making them haha XD Many thanks again! Happy flying and all the best : )

[@Sebastopolmark]

Another "Spot On" review, always good to leave on the positives! !! !!! From a non jet person

[@IntotheBlueSimulations]

Cheers Mark! Well, I always try to give any product a fair go and I think it’s good to try and end the review on a high note : ) I really enjoyed the MiG and whilst the addon clearly has its shortfalls, the dev is Ukrainian (I gather), so obviously there are more important things to be worrying about currently. All the best!

[@stefaandk]

Visually it's very striking, I remember putting a model together of this plane and also the starfighter as a kid and painting them. Once I can finance a PC again I'll pick up the starfighter that much is certain but this one I'll give a miss, a lot of effort to learn a plane that then will always feel a bit underwhelming because the sounds don't match the actual aircraft. If I gotta put in that much time and effort it really needs to tick those essential boxes. That doesn't mean I didn't enjoy the review, great work as always!

[@IntotheBlueSimulations]

Thanks Stefaan! I’m glad you enjoyed the review and your point on the product is certainly valid at the moment. Just a word of caution on the F-104; the addon is a nice effort overall, but it’s had a few bugs creep in with past sim updates and the developers don’t seem to have done anything to fix said bugs up - they seem to have gone somewhat AWOL (hopefully not, but the aircraft has been broken for a while now). One of the issues is that the afterburner won’t work above 10,000ft for example. Just so you don’t pick it up and get any nasty surprises. . . Thanks once again! : )

[@stefaandk]

​@@IntotheBlueSimulations That's good to know and would be a real shame if it indeed ends up abandoned. I always had a soft spot for that airframe. I'll make sure to do my research first so thanks for the heads up! Still stuck on the xbox atm sigh.

[@dekuleader5372]

I'm so glad you where able to finally review the aircraft, I know you've had quite the backlog lately (swissmilsim Vampire included), but I think the review was worth the wait. In my opinion, I'm probably gonna get the hellcat first, but I am probably getting the mig to hold me over for the F-104, which is still frustratingly not on Xbox. After that, I'm probably just waiting for the Lancaster that I heard was in development.

[@kazzercise]

The dev said the Lancaster will not be coming to xbox

[@roberthemingway7691]

Once again we simmers on Xbox are considered second-class citizens. There is so much that I would like to have thats available to the PC users. I’m frustrated that I can’t get the Corsair and various other aircraft as well as some of the add-ons. I’m hanging in there and it’s a shame that the Lancaster will not be coming to the Xbox.

[@kazzercise]

@@roberthemingway7691 I trust we will start to see more & better aircraft once they get 3rd party WASM incorporated in the next SimUpdate

[@IntotheBlueSimulations]

Hello again Robert, I don't it's a question of console users being "second-class citizens": I'm sure most devs don't want to leave the Xbox users out (the console is a big chunk of the market!). Currently (as Kazzercise points out) the console has some coding issues, which prevents many addons from working correctly (hence why we see so many addons only coming onto the PC currently). Once the coding issues are fixed up (and this should happen within the next couple of sim updates), you should see a plethora of more complex addons making their way over to the Xbox : ) I hope that clarifies things a little. All the best!

[@IntotheBlueSimulations]

Me too Deku, I enjoyed the MiG - I’m glad you enjoyed the video! I think I may have mentioned before, but I’m afraid the Vampire isn’t on my radar for the time being. . . The Hellcat is excellent and to a higher standard than the MiG overall. The MiG might not be a bad idea thereafter vs the F-104. The F-104 *was* great and done to a higher standard than the MiG, but it now has some fairly major bugs, which Sim Skunk Works haven’t fixed up in months and the devs seem to have fallen off the radar in general. I’m looking forward to the Lancaster also! Cheers : )

[@marshie1337]

just love your videos man. superb job yet again ItB

[@IntotheBlueSimulations]

Many thanks once again Marshie! Very happy to hear you're still enjoying them, despite it being an A310 one week and a MiG-21 the next XD Cheers!

[@sammango5005]

sound sets are number 1 for me

[@IntotheBlueSimulations]

I never used to be a big "sound guy", but I've come to realise more and more, just how integral sounds are to a quality addon. Sounds are one of the main areas we have, for making a product feel immersive and giving the user some "feedback". Sadly, the quality of the MiG's sounds, doesn't come close to the rest of the product at the moment - I really hope the developer does something to fix that (though I gather he is in the Ukraine, so obviously there are far more important things to be worrying about currently and I wish him well!). Cheers : )

[@urgentsiesta7606]

Ahem...In keeping with the research aspect of this review, I think the logical next step is...MACH LOOP time trial! Let's see where it lands on the board vs the others! REALLY like the presentation angle in this one! I long ago learned of Constant Peg (& there's now a DCS campaign for it, too!), but never heard of Have Donut! I can only wonder what the Mig-29 program was called...perhaps banana split? I'm pleasantly "shocked" to hear this is your #2 favorite Fast Jet after JF's Hawk - that is high praise indeed! I have to say that it's no surprise to hear some of the shortcomings of the addon. Also that at least some of them are likely a result of MSFS itself. I've been eyeing this addon for quite awhile (mainly because it's a classic Hot Rod in a similar vein as the F-104), but it always seemed just a little too expensive vs the combat capable DCS version. But since it's on holiday sale for just $20, and I really like to support non-traditional addons like this, I think this review shows it's a worthy, if not perfect, addition to my MSFS hangar. Hope your holidays are good - thanks for the ongoing series of excellent reviews :)

[@IntotheBlueSimulations]

Haha, the thought had occurred to me also Siesta! ; ) Funnily enough, I had wanted to take the MiG-21 on the Mach Loop some time ago, but there weren't any decent freeware options and whilst the GKS MiG had just released for P3D, I wasn't willing to spend that sort of money, in a sim I rarely use any more. I'm certainly very keen to give the MiG-21 a run, the only downside being that I'm pretty sure the flight model is a little underpowered and / or over-draggy currently; given that the GKS MiG was unable to reach Mach 2, I think any time it sets, would be rather unrepresentative. I'm glad you enjoyed the video / story. It was pointed out that the "Have Doughnut" MiG was an F-13, not a Bis and therefore the tests weren't accurate etc, but I just thought it would be an interesting / entertaining way to test the addon haha. Yeah, definitely my 2nd favourite at the moment, though still quite some ways behind the Hawk to be fair. There aren't that many great jets in MSFS and the GKS MiG certainly has its flaws, but the aircraft looks beautiful and is a nice challenge to fly (even if sometimes for the wrong reasons ha). I'm fairly sure some of the features of the addon would have been hamstrung by the sim itself, as you point out. Like you, I felt / feel that the addon is a touch expensive for what it is. I'm very happy with my purchase, but gutted that I missed the sales by 1 day! XD Same to you; have a great time over the holidays and happy flying! Cheers : )

[@jaymac7203]

I really wish developers would make more effort to get the different sounds right it's so important to immersion 🧐

[@IntotheBlueSimulations]

Very much agree Jay Mac! An addon can nail everything else and be as detailed as you like, but if the sounds are sub-par, chances are it’s not going to feel very immersive. Sounds often seem to be a real weaknesses in MSFS. I don’t know whether it’s a limitation of the sim, or devs just aren’t putting the effort in. I’m still very much enjoying the MiG, but a decent soundset would have made a huge difference. Cheers : )

[@theaustralianconundrum]

@@IntotheBlueSimulations Try the new Cirrus Jet that just landed in xbox Marketplace. On my Series X it is astonishingly good. 5 stars!

[@sparkymarky68]

lovely bit of hanger flying!

[@IntotheBlueSimulations]

Thank you sir! Probably unreasonable amounts of fun to be having in a flight simulator mind you : P

[@grissomplays2546]

Flaps and engine sounds are somehow very reminiscent of the CJ4.

[@IntotheBlueSimulations]

Haha, well you have a good ear then GP! Turns out the MiG (disappointingly) makes use of the default CJ4 sound files (hence the lacklustre external sounds I suppose). I do hope the dev is able to improve upon this at some point. All the best : )

[@grissomplays2546]

@@IntotheBlueSimulations Hah! That is a shame, cause now I can't un-hear it!

[@conlethbyrne4809]

Another fab show. Love the plane & sounds very good on my system. However, my sound setting is a bit off. Enjoyed the video, Many Thanks, Slainte

[@IntotheBlueSimulations]

Thanks very much Conleth! I’m glad you’re enjoying the MiG and all the better if it’s sounding good on your system haha. Happy flying ; )

[@conlethbyrne4809]

@@IntotheBlueSimulations Sorry, Buddy is still getting used to all the settings. Man, Oh, man. Lol,😊 I got the plane at the weekend & need a good review. Slan

[@wanderer5200]

Nice video. But I still like the DCS MiG-21 better. Just seems more real.

[@bird.9346]

Seems like the sounds are meh, and they didn't pay very good attention to detail. Typical meh msfs addon sadly

[@IntotheBlueSimulations]

Cheers Wanderer! Yeah, I 100% agree haha. I've been enjoying the GKS MiG, but there's no doubt the DCS version is better. In fact, I carried out the same testing with the DCS MiG, just for comparison, so expect a video on that at a later date ; ) All the best!

[@wanderer5200]

@@IntotheBlueSimulations I look froward to the video.

[@NSAdonis]

From what I can see: 1) R-27 and R-73 where never used on Soviet MiG-21s 2) The report you are referring to denotes an export F-13 (fighter variant with downrated engines compared to Soviet service which even had overrated versions too) and the GKS (as is the DCS one) is a later Bis variant which is a GC guided interceptor 3) the power gauge is working incorrectly. 100% N2 (arrow with a 2) is always max mil power, full afterburner is 102% IIRC 4) not too sure if it can be seen, but upon deploying full flaps you should loose thrust (but not N2) due to some of it being rerouted over the flaps area

[@IntotheBlueSimulations]

Hi NSAdonis, Well, I was just trying to pass on what I found with the addon and since the results of this video won't be going off to the US Defence Intelligence Agency; I thought it would be an interesting story and (hopefully) an entertaining way of reviewing the jet hehe ; ) To be fair, if the Bis is significantly more powerful than the F13, that only goes to prove most of my findings all the more; the GKS MiG should have (presumably) easily been able to reach the top Mach number of the F13, come off the brakes in full afterburner etc. Did the R27 / R73 specifically not see service on Soviet MiG's, or in general? The aircraft comes with a number of different air force liveries, so perhaps other militaries used the R27 / R73 later on in the MiG's service life? I have no idea personally. . . The RPM gauge did seem odd to me also, but the manual specifically stated it would work as such, so I just put it down to "Russian" design and assumed it was something I'm not used to (the DCS MiG is different / "normal" in this regard though). I didn't notice a loss of thrust with the flaps, but to be fair, I only deployed full flaps at the last moment; I found landing flap to be too draggy otherwise - basically needing the afterburner in order to keep the speed up! I hope that clarifies a few things. Cheers and all the best! : )

[@NSAdonis]

@@IntotheBlueSimulations As was stated before, the Bis is almost 20 years the F-13's junior. Some data: F-13 : Empty Weight: 4980 kg, Gross Weight: 8625 kg, Engine: Tumansky R11-F300, Thrust dry: 39 kN/3900 kg, AB: 56 kN/5750 kg Bis: Empty Weight: 5339 kg, Gross Weight: 8725 kg, Engine: Tumansky R25-300, thrust dry: 44 kN/4487 kg, AB: 71 kN/7240kg (from DCS MiG-21 manual, I fly it actively) MiG 21's radar is too small to be able to guide the R-27 missile at all (it is housed inside the nose shock cone, which is movable BTW). You'd need at least the MiG-23's bigger radius radar to guide them. Only Indian and Romanian 21's used R-73's. The RPM gauge is done correctly in the DCS implementation, it's the same for all planes. And they always fly by N2. With the flaps thing, I just guess boundary layer flaps aren't really modelled in the sim like the nose gear.

[@rossmum]

R-27 could not be mounted on any variant of MiG-21 (R-73 was later retrofitted to Cuban 21bis and Indian MiG-21 Bison). The only radar missiles appropriate for a MiG-21bis are R-3R, if it was an MF it would be RS-2US (even the DCS 21bis gets this wrong - RS-2US was incompatible with the RP-22 radar, and R-3R with the RP-21). Overall there is quite a lot wrong with this module, though it does get one or two things closer to correct than DCS systems-wise. The flight model in particular is... "creative".

[@haramaschabrasir8662]

We have an absolute awesome MiG-21 in DCS, why would the developers take on the exact same version of this plane as a competition product?

[@urgentsiesta7606]

MANY folks are only interested in the primary sims, aren't interested in combat, and want to fly in particular areas of the world not covered by any DCS map. IIRC, the first version of this addon was for P3D, and is/was used as a training module.

[@IntotheBlueSimulations]

I totally agree Haramasch, that DCS MiG is awesome (I flew it to get up to speed for this video)! I don't think the two products are competing though, given that they aren't in the same sim. As US points out, not everyone has DCS / is interested in combat + many (myself included) like to fly in other areas of the world etc. For sure though, if one wants an accurate MiG-21 - DCS all the way! : ) Cheers!

[@carlperry8688]

Your videos sir are absolutely superb 👍

[@IntotheBlueSimulations]

Thank you ever so much Carl, very kind of you to say! I’m really glad you’re enjoying the content. Cheers and all the best! : )

[@Ricardo-eg3wn]

My fav jet in the sim. Glad people are finally noticing. It’s derived from a Ukrainian military simulator. Fun fact # mastering interception on the low fuel capacity (altitude is your friend concerning fuel conservation) get up high quick and cruise until speed is needed. The plane responds correctly. Thank jankees for the Egyptian and Cuban repaints. She did them after I requested them. And she’s colorblind. 😮 this plane is a real challenge to master. Highly recommended. And it was developed in a war zone.

[@FlightSimMuseum]

Nice MiG-review!

[@IntotheBlueSimulations]

Haha, thank you sir! Sounds like you should know better than most! ; ) Much appreciated, all the best : )

[@IntotheBlueSimulations]

Hi MiGMan, Unfortunately, KZbin deleted your subsequent post, due to the external link, but I managed to find your website nevertheless; I didn’t find the article that it looks like you linked to, but I did see some quality early-2000’s simming, courtesy of the 2004 Australian expo haha ; ) Thanks for sharing, happy flying! : )

[@FlightSimMuseum]

@@IntotheBlueSimulations I think I was saying I was privileged to be at the launch of the first MiG-21 in Australia, early 1990s. I call it a 'launch' rather than 'takeoff' because when the afterburner was engaged prior to the takeoff roll, all the spectators thought the jet had exploded! I never knew about the external link problem with YT. The pics are, from the menu: Museum then MiG-Force then the MiG-21 link, second article. Thanks for looking... 2004... yeah... Keep up the info-tainment style, it's awesome.

[@techstepman]

what replay tool are you using?

[@IntotheBlueSimulations]

Hi Techstepman, I use a 3rd party recording tool, which can be found here: flightsim.to/file/8163/flight-recorder I hope the above helps. All the best! : )

[@Rell6000]

Where is the piper

[@IntotheBlueSimulations]

Hi Rell, I assume autocorrect got you there and you mean the pipper for the gunsight haha? I don’t actually recall, whether or not the gunsight is modelled on the GKS MiG (it’s been some time since I last flew the aircraft). Perhaps some other KZbin vids will show the gunsight in action? Sorry I can’t be of more help there. All the best!

[@Danny-jw7lj]

Are the external sounds still the same?

[@IntotheBlueSimulations]

So far as I’m aware Danny, yes (sadly). The dev had mentioned an update (including sounds) for the MiG-21, once they had released their F-111 however, things seem to have gone pretty quiet regarding said update. . . I hope that clarifies things. All the best! : )

[@2kwattzPhotography]

Never tried MiG21 so can't form an opinion but I remember the F/A18 in FSX is literally a joke, Context : I have been flying it in DCS for 6months now . Hope MFSX improvises on its combat simulation planes... Overall the modeling looks great though..

[@IntotheBlueSimulations]

Hi 2kwattz, I certainly wouldn’t describe the GKS MiG as a “joke”, but there’s no doubting that the DCS MiG-21 is superior in most areas (vastly so, in some). Flight modelling and sounds are certainly weaker on the GKS MiG, but personally, I fly these sorts of jets in MSFS, for a whole different sort of experience (essentially, enjoying planet Earth). I agree though; I very much hope that MSFS continues to develop its flight modelling and MSFS 2024 does look set to do exactly that. Cheers and all the best! : )

[@2kwattzPhotography]

@@IntotheBlueSimulations Yes. I never said MiG21 here as a "joke". It was referred to F/A18 if compared to the one in DCS. 😄 I absolutely agree with you when it comes to planet earth as map of FSX. It is a very nice concept. I think I might try FSX again when I see more functionalities in F/A18. Thanks for your response though. Cheers and all the best to you too!! 😃

[@IntotheBlueSimulations]

Ah haha well, I did realise but, I was just pointing out that the MiG is completed to a much higher standard than the default F-18. To be frank, as compared with the DCS F-18, the MSFS F-18 is definitely still a “joke” haha. My pleasure and have a great day : )

[@Streaky100001]

On the internal sonic boom, I'm pretty sure that is wrong, not from being a MiG expert (I'm not) but just from the physics of it. You hear a sonic boom when the pressure front of the shock cone passes you. If you're sat in the aircraft, you shouldn't be moving reletive to the shock cone, with that in mind, either you're not in the pressure front of the shock cone, and hence wouldn't hear the boom, or you are permanently in that area, in which case, it wouldn't be a sonic boom as was heard, it would be a constant noise all the time you were above M1, which I can't imagine the designers would allow, as I can imagine that would be very annoying.

[@IntotheBlueSimulations]

Yeah, I was being typically British and non-committal at the time Streaky, but I'm pretty sure it's wrong haha. If nothing else, I seem to recall passengers on Concorde, remarking on just how uneventful passing through the sound barrier actually is ha. As you say though, thinking in terms of the physics, with the jet travelling as fast (if not faster) than the shockwave, it would never catch up to them - ie, they won't hear it. Strange that. Of all the sounds on the addon that could use some work, an internal sonic boom was not one of them haha. To be fair, I don't mind certain sounds being added for the sake of immersion / "feedback" (loud afterburners for example), but I think this might fall outside of that. Cheers for your thoughts! : )

[@Streaky100001]

@@IntotheBlueSimulations hahaha, fairs, it is the British way! I tend to agree, adding some sounds or exaggerating them for feedback isn't bad, but a sonic boom inside just doesn't feel right lol

[@racheljennings1688]

Hearing a sonic boom on the ground gives you a real fright

[@Streaky100001]

@@racheljennings1688 it does rather!

[@ivarlindvall6275]

Im quite interested in the handling of the planes compared to xplane? I have only used xplane 11 since i stopped simming in 2019.

[@IntotheBlueSimulations]

Hi Ivar, If you are a die-hard flight model enthusiast, then X-Plane is still the better choice, otherwise MSFS has most things covered pretty well these days (and is slowly catching up on the flight modelling front). It depends on who you ask though of course; some still like to go with "MSFS is just an arcade game for kids" rhetoric, but I don't think it's nearly that bad these days. Of course, both sims have their strengths and weaknesses. In my opinion X-Plane is still the best (civilian sim) when it comes to flight modelling and it is still the most "realistic" sim overall. Until very recently, I still headed back over to X-Plane if I wanted to do some "serious" simming, but now that we have a couple of very high fidelity addons in MSFS (like the Fenix A320), I find I am spending very little time in X-Plane. I hope that helps a little, all the best! : )

[@ivarlindvall6275]

@@IntotheBlueSimulations Thank you very much for the answer! I have always been impressed by the realistic flight model in xplane and thought that msfs might be more game like, but its awesome hearing that the recent addons like the a310 is so good! Im looking to start simming again as I said so this helped me very much, thank you once again.

[@IntotheBlueSimulations]

You’re most welcome! Happy flying : )

[@NthgToFear]

I never noticed the watermark and now that's all I can see.

[@IntotheBlueSimulations]

Argh, I’m so sorry NTF haha! XD To be fair, I remember the watermark being point out on a forum and I think the memory of that, is what instantly drew my eyes to it haha. Still, it really ought to be gotten rid of it think. Hopefully the dev will oblige, when able to do so. All the best : )

[@NthgToFear]

@@IntotheBlueSimulations Haha, no worries. It was a very weird choice in placement and color.

[@takeoffsnlandings]

Barometric altimiter is calculated in meters or feet?

[@IntotheBlueSimulations]

Meters in this case T&L - pretty typical for Russian aircraft. I hope that helps. All the best : )

[@roberthemingway7691]

Based on what I saw with your review I picked it up minutes ago on sale at the marketplace. I watched your entire video but cannot find the deploy shoot button. I don’t speak Russian and I’m having a hard time identifying where that trigger to release button is. Nice job. And thank you for the nuclear panel removal option that was starting to bug me! Once again nice review

[@IntotheBlueSimulations]

Hello Robert, I'm very sorry to say, but the MiG-21 does not have functioning weapons (or indeed visible weapons, if purchased from the Marketplace) - I did make both of these points during my review. You can jettison the drop tanks and I believe this is done via a yellow caged switch, just below the gunsight (if memory serves me correctly). I do hope that the above isn't going to ruin your enjoyment of the addon too much. I don't know whether the dev plans to improve functionality at a later date, but most military addons within the sim, have the same limitations unfortunately. Thanks for your kind words regarding the review. All the best!

[@roberthemingway7691]

Thank you very much for the reply and the in-depth explanation. I will patiently wait because the news is positive! And I love this sim and it’s a concept. Enjoying the Mig and it’s a challenging beast for sure but approach Angle is key on the landing. It does feel like a heavy beast. Once again thank you for the explanation- some of the best work I’ve seen. Anybody working an an F 86 Sabre from mig Alley ?!?!

[@Haribo211]

@@IntotheBlueSimulations I'd hazard a guess when Robert wrote "deploy shoot" he meant chute (drogue chute) deployment, not weapons deployment ;).

[@IntotheBlueSimulations]

Ahhh, good catch Art! You’re probably correct. Cheers : )

[@IntotheBlueSimulations]

Sorry Robert, I think I misunderstood your point previously. A keybind can be assigned to deploy the chute. I’m afraid I can’t remember what the assignment is off the top of my head, but it is detailed in the manual : ) Cheers!

[@dbvetter7485]

What is it with Microsoft and no weapons? A bunch of tree huggers.

[@IntotheBlueSimulations]

I believe it’s a licensing / rating issue, dbvetter: If the sim included any sort of weapons, then Microsoft would have to slap an age restriction on it. 100% annoying I agree but, it’s really the fault of the people who make the rules for classification / certification (and can’t tell the difference between violence and recreating something of historical interest). I can somewhat understand a lack of working weapons but, a complete ban on even visible weapons, is rather silly. I hope that clarifies things a little. All the best!

[@henryoshea4951]

The MiG-21bis never carried the 73 or the 27, nor could it carry 32s on the outer pylons, only 16s. Overall seems pretty mediocre compared to the DCS model

[@IntotheBlueSimulations]

Hi Henry, Thanks for the info. For what it's worth, I seem to recall that the rocket pylons mounted to the outer pylons, did look a little different (perhaps smaller) to those available on the inner pylons, so perhaps GKS simply forgot to give them the correct designation? That does seem a strange choice with the R27 / R73 then - no idea why GKS would have gone for that (it doesn't take any more effort to model the correct missile). Undoubtedly the DCS MiG is better; I used it quite a bit myself, to get up to speed for this review, but not everyone has DCS of course ; ) Cheers and all the best! : )

[@M16_Akula-III]

If I remember correctly, Romanian MiG-21's were modified to carry the R-73. I think the R-27 might have something to do with the Indian Bison model that is capable of carrying R-77's.

[@IntotheBlueSimulations]

Thanks very much for the info Georgy. Much appreciated! : )

[@itsbeckon2017]

This model is so realistic, that it won't start on the first try😂

[@IntotheBlueSimulations]

Haha, I couldn’t figure out whether the start logic was a bug, or intentional. It feels more like a bug, but I’ve no doubt some of these older Soviet aircraft could be a little bit temperamental at times XD All the best! : )

[@coffeeguy6673]

Haha love it, straight through that barn !! 😂

[@IntotheBlueSimulations]

Haha, it was just looking far too inviting! ; )

[@murdoch9106]

Sadly you cant do the diff. breaking in the way its done in these planes in MSFS right now, same issues in the older WWII birds... Hopefully that will be sorted at some point.

[@IntotheBlueSimulations]

Ahhh, is that so Murdoch. That explains a lot haha. Thanks very much for the info - useful to know! Cheers : )

[@rossmum]

Yes you can - it's literally a single number in the flight model cfg file, two or three numbers if you count adjusting brake force so that the aircraft turns around the braked wheel properly. It is not difficult. Third parties are either excusing themselves for not doing it, or outright saying they decided not to in order to avoid alienating the Xbox players (who will struggle without nosewheel steering). Open the flight model .cfg in notepad, look for the contact points, and specifically point.0 - this is your nose (or tail) wheel. There will be a value usually between 60 and 90 in the middle of that row, change it to 180. Boom, you now have free castoring steering and no amount of kicking the pedals will affect it until the rudder becomes effective - however you'll usually also need to tune the brakes to get it to behave itself, especially for tail draggers. In fact, the same is true of virtually every single "MSFS behaviour" - it's because third parties leave default values that were there in example config files and don't take the time to work out what they do or change them. "MSFS ground handling" - look at the (Tr)islander, Cessna 414, to a degree even the Nemeth Yak-18T - all of them can be steered with toe braking alone, and the nosewheel steering on the former two in particular feels much more elastic and real than the instant, extremely sensitive version people attribute to the sim itself. I've yet to find a single example of "MSFS behaviour" that isn't a one- or two-number fix in a .cfg file somewhere and half the offending parties are prestigious names in 3rd party development...

[@IntotheBlueSimulations]

Interesting Rossmum, thanks for the info!

[@EnvyCT9A]

Uh, what? The MiG21 never used R27s or R73s in Soviet service.

[@IntotheBlueSimulations]

Is that specifically in Soviet service Envy, or in general? The aircraft comes with a number of different air force liveries, so perhaps other militaries used the R27 / R73 later on in the MiG's service life? I have no idea personally; I'm just passing on what the addon offers up haha. Cheers, all the best! : )

[@EnvyCT9A]

@@IntotheBlueSimulations While some militaries upgraded their aircraft to use them, the Bis as depicted in the sim, and in DCS, simply does not have the avionics to support those missiles.

[@IntotheBlueSimulations]

Ah ok, well thanks very much for the info! That’s certainly interesting to know. Cheers : )

[@jpht1964]

It’s nice that all these lovely fighterjets are coming to MSFS but also very frustrating that you can’t dogfight or bomb ….

[@IntotheBlueSimulations]

I rather agree John, but sadly I don't see that ever being an option in MSFS (at least not natively). The fact that Microsoft won't even allow gun barrels on historical aircraft (sold within the Marketplace), makes their feelings pretty clear on the whole situation, I think. Maybe one day we'll see TacPack or something similar. It would be nice if all devs at least did the same as the likes of MILVIZ, HPG etc and gave us visibly functioning weapons. Personally, I still enjoy these addons for what they are; after all, most military aircraft, spend most of their life *not* dogfighting / bombing etc, but I know not everyone feels the same way. Cheers! : )

[@madbager1]

I say they put a add-on into the Microsoft flight simulator Xbox with a laser tag set universal for any plane for dog fighting and smoke trails when hit!

[@FR01Z]

0:23 C'on Man that's offencive 😂

[@IntotheBlueSimulations]

Haha, what did I say Joao?? The closest think I could find to the 0:23 mark, was; “Hello”? XD

[@IntotheBlueSimulations]

Ahh, I've just realised you meant the paint job haha! That was a true-to-life MiG-21 paint scheme : P

[@bensisneroz7027]

The P3D V5 one is a lot better plus it includes the actual real engine sounds. Not sure why they didn’t bother putting those in this version.

[@IntotheBlueSimulations]

So I hear, Ben. It’s definitely a shame that the sounds aren’t better; I know the MSFS sound engine can be trickier to work with but, a decent legacy soundset (just ported straight from P3D) would be better than the iffy new one that we have with the GKS MiG. I believe the dev is based in Ukraine so, sadly / understandably, I don’t think we’re going to see any improvements for a long while (if ever). . . Cheers, all the best!

[@exmpirr_5816]

@@IntotheBlueSimulationsis it worth it to get this aircraft now a lot of the comments I see are people taking about how it isn’t the best but most of those comments were from a year ago

[@IntotheBlueSimulations]

Hi Exmpirr, There haven’t been any updates to the MiG, since I recorded this video however, the dev has said that there should be a significant update coming in January. Probably worth waiting until then and seeing what’s been done to the aircraft (apparently, the sounds and engine modelling will be getting an overhaul, to name but a few things : ) I hope that helps a little. All the best!

[@Ubi-o]

mine literally wont exceed 459 knots

[@markscars1069]

Still seem to get that atmospheric wind noise in the background even with the canopy closed. Is that the jet or FS Realistic? Seems wrong, either way. Also seems very sloppy that some switches click and others don’t. Attention to detail stuff like that is a turn off for me. And URLs engraved on the glass and in your eyeline is just ridiculous. That’s akin to those European car dealers which insist on plastering your car with THEIR stickers all over the boot lid. Except of course you’ve already bought the plane. Nobody else can see the text, so not clear what purpose that is serving.

[@IntotheBlueSimulations]

Hello Mark, Yes, the GKS MiG has its own wind noise; not the worse I've heard, but redundant in MSFS (since the sim has its own atmospheric noises of course) and certainly it sounds out of place in flight (at least it didn't sound like a howling gale, as is the case with certain other addons). I don't think I explained myself very well in the video; the switches do all have sounds to be fair, but they only work if there is a moderate pause between each click - so I think it's a coding issue, as opposed to a sound issue. Interestingly, when I tried copying over the F-18 sounds, no problem with the switches. The URL is a very peculiar choice and I really don't know what the thought process was there. I tried the website and it didn't actually load properly either haha. In fairness, I gather that the GKS dev is Ukrainian; whilst I still feel it's fair to give an accurate review (and I never give any critique out of malice at any rate), of course there are more pressing issues for him to be dealing with at the moment, than a pretend aeroplane (let's all hope he's OK)! Cheers : )

[@markscars1069]

@@IntotheBlueSimulations Agree with all of this. Your balanced stance is why you are so respected. All the best.

[@ysteineker7001]

Thanks - very interesting story. It sounds like an APU on other side of tarmac. For me - in general - military aircraft belongs to DCS. But as usual, entertaining review.

[@IntotheBlueSimulations]

Cheers øystein! I thought it would make for an interesting flight / story - I'm glad you found it entertaining. I know these sorts of addons aren't to everyone's liking within MSFS, but as you know, I quite enjoy them personally. That being said, I did try out the DCS version also for comparison, so there will be a video on that at a later date ; ) Thanks as always! PS. Yes, the engine does sound like an asthmatic APU haha XD

[@EthanolEnthusiast]

Why do people buy this instead of DCS module?

[@kosmos224]

Because small DCS maps like 10x10 km2 are not enough for many people and in MSFS they have the whole world to explore. And let's not forget the NASA PC required to move DCS World decently...

[@EthanolEnthusiast]

@@kosmos224 Don't see the appeal. My PC runs DCS better than MSFS.

[@kosmos224]

@@EthanolEnthusiast On mine it's just the opposite, MSFS runs better than DCS.

[@EthanolEnthusiast]

@@kosmos224 I have AMD CPU & GPU

[@kosmos224]

@@EthanolEnthusiast I have AMD CPU and NVIDIA GPU.

[@matsmathisen4357]

I can’t even get it up to mach one

[@IntotheBlueSimulations]

Hi Mats, Hmmm, it’s a bit tricky to know exactly what the issue might be, without knowing all of the details. A couple of thoughts that spring to mind: 1) If memory serves me correctly, the afterburner operates off its own switch within the cockpit, so do make sure you have that tuned on ahead of going through to full throttle. 2) If the aircraft is heavily loaded out with stores, I suppose the additional drag *might* prevent you from reaching Mach 1. Certainly, the last time I flew the MiG, the aircraft was capable of getting through Mach 1 (though getting up to Mach 2 was rather more complex). I don’t believe anything fundamental has changed within the sim since then. I hope you manage to get things figured out! All the best : )

[@matsmathisen4357]

@@IntotheBlueSimulations thanks for the reply man! Still can’t get it any higher the 500kt even with only 10% fuel, I will try to send another email to the developer:)

[@IntotheBlueSimulations]

My pleasure on the reply, Mats! Hopefully the dev can shed some light on the situation, though I believe he is Ukrainian-based, so unfortunately he might not be in the best position to be dealing with such things at the moment. . . Cheers!

[@thelongestpage7555]

I just wish the textures were good on Xbox. Looks like a PS3 game in the cockpit.

[@aengberg1]

Why put so much effort into a creation and then give it the sound effects of a hairdryer? It baffles me how this is the norm with FS developers - they put incredible effort into overcoming sim limitations to get flight dynamics believable, slave over texturing, write thousands of lines of custom code, and then think when it comes to sound effects, "Yeah, whatever". Glorious barnstorming though. I flinched!

[@urgentsiesta7606]

I honestly think it's an issue with MSFS itself. Fantastic sounds in X-Plane & DCS World - chills up the spine. Haven't heard a single addon in MSFS that gives the same result, regardless of developer.

[@IntotheBlueSimulations]

I have rather been wondering the same myself US. For sure there are some nice sounding addons in MSFS, but none that genuinely make your hair stand up on occasion (though DCS is pretty unique in this regard to be fair).

[@IntotheBlueSimulations]

I do wonder Adam. As US points out, I suppose there are very few excellent sounding addons in MSFS, so perhaps there is some sort of "limitation" with the sim, but these sounds are far short of even mediocre. It's a real shame, as I very much enjoy the GKS MiG overall and can live with the rest of its shortfalls (though I still hope they get fixed of course). I'm going to try fiddling around with the F-18 sounds again at some point; far from an ideal solution, but they should be far more befitting at least. I'm glad you enjoyed the barnstorming! Hopefully I didn't wake any little green men up in the process! : P Cheers as always : )

[@igorkratka]

I fly Mig-21 in DCS a lot. Flight model and the module as whole feels more complete and in depth than this one, which is not surprising as MFS is not particularly great when it comes to flight models in general. Would not trade it. Nice shiny metallic skin, tho.

[@IntotheBlueSimulations]

Hi Benny, I very much agree with you. Whilst I have been enjoying the GKS MiG, there is no doubt that the DCS version is vastly superior. I actually recorded the same profile in the DCS MiG, just for the sake of comparison - I’ll be uploading that at a later date. . . For sure though, for all it’s faults, the GKS MiG looks gorgeous! All the best : )

[@raymondgoubet]

Excellent and useful video. I don't have the MiG-21, but I agree with you watching the video.👍👍 From 34:09 you meant to say "km/h" not knots. You said "km/h" earlier. Is it the Area51 addon by Superspud on flightsimto? I did barnstorm there in the F-22: (I put the links, but my comment might get deleted) (I had rudder noise in my stick's potentiometer, that I later fixed with some WD40!) kzbin.info/www/bejne/n2TRnmN7abKHlZY I just got the DC Designs Harrier, and it has a weird "thermals?" bug! I am sure you will get the Harrier, but be ready for some weird behavior: kzbin.info/www/bejne/bnu6pmWAYpmse68

[@IntotheBlueSimulations]

Thanks very much Raymond! Haha, a slip of the tongue there no doubt. I’m not used to working in km/h, so I guess my brain just defaulted back to knots - ooops. It is indeed the Superspud Area 51 scenery and very nice it is too! I don’t have the DC Designs Harrier yet, although I will probably pick it up at some point. I didn’t notice any strange “thermals” behaviour when I tested the pre-release version of the addon, but that’s not to say the issue doesn’t exist. Hopefully DC Designs will fix things up soon then. Cheers! : )

[@vlxxrd4866]

Visually stunning? Hardly. It’s a P3D port that is missing key features from MSFS2020, and has awful audio

[@IntotheBlueSimulations]

Well, "beauty is in the eye of the beholder" then I suppose Vlxxrd haha. A port it may well be, but I think the aircraft looks excellent! Top notch PBR externally / weathering internally etc - the MiG just "feels" spot on to me (again, only visually). There is certainly room for improvement in the systems and I agree, the audio sucks, but then I mentioned that during the video. The GKS MiG is far from perfect, but I've genuinely been enjoying it. Cheers, all the best : )

[@vlxxrd4866]

@@IntotheBlueSimulations Yep, definitely needs some work, but the developers are located in Kiev - they have a valid reason for not updating it.

[@IntotheBlueSimulations]

Indee Vlxxrdd. For the sake of the review, I pointed out what I felt were the products deficiencies, but I certainly wish the dev(s) all the very best and of course there are much more important things to worry about than the state of a virtual aircraft! I hope GKS and their loved ones are all keeping ok.

[@madbager1]

I've seen so many reviews on the mig-21 the real plane is beautiful not sure if the Xbox version of this plane is worth the payware

[@IntotheBlueSimulations]

Hi Mark, The GKS MiG certainly isn’t a bad addon. In fact, sounds aside, it’s a pretty decent addon but, the aircraft is definitely overpriced for what it is. The product does periodically go on sale (there was a 50% discount recently) so, if you are interested in picking the MiG up, it’s perhaps worth waiting until then : ) Cheers, all the best!

[@madbager1]

@@IntotheBlueSimulations hello! And thank you for the heads up 🤟

[@IntotheBlueSimulations]

Cheers, Mark! My pleasure : )

[@madbager1]

@@IntotheBlueSimulations downloaded the F-104 over the weekend! Definitely a plane to add to your collection 🤟

[@IntotheBlueSimulations]

Indeed, Mark - the F104 is great! Happy flying and all the best : )

[@jonredcorn862]

Wow those engine sounds are awful lol. I don't know why people waste their money on military aircraft in MSFS, at lesat back in the day they had the tac pac that let you use the weapons.

[@IntotheBlueSimulations]

The sounds are indeed very disappointing Jon, sadly. I can think of a number of reasons why one might enjoy a military aircraft in MSFS and maybe one day we'll see a "tacpack" for the sim also, but granted the experience is certainly somewhat sub-par, as compared with the likes of DCS. Horses for courses though. All the best!