The Best ~£10k Used Electric Car! (2 Year Old/£10k Challenge)

Whilst trying to find a full electric car for no more than £10k that's also no more than 2 years old, I came to realise that this is a little belter!
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[@80y3r9]

Youve changed since becoming a youtuber, now its all Mii Mii Mii

[@jvoric]

😂😂😂😂

[@tanja2651]

I see what you did there ;-)

[@andymccabe6712]

.....that was almost clever..... Well done!!!

[@andyemmpee3037]

That was clever, not almost 😎

[@bordersw1239]

Brilliant!

[@davidharman2705]

I also bought a 2yr old Mii Electric back in August and I agree with everything you said except your comments about it not being a motorway car. I use mine every day on a 75 mile each way commute mainly on motorways with a bit of 'town' driving at the end and it's absolutely brilliant. Range wise expect about 135-140 miles on a full charge at a 60-70mph pace so I have to do a top up charge at some point during the day, but that's still brilliant economy. I love mine :-)

[@lpzsantana]

I bought mine in August after watching many of your videos and your review of the Citigo. We had an Up! in 2014 and loved it. This one is even better and faster. Absolutely LOVE our Mii. 2021, 3K miles, 11,900 all in.

[@rhiantaylor3446]

I went down the same path but bought the Zoe in mid August - a close decision but I need to cover 140 and 180 mile runs now and again. I think the arrival of affordable 2nd hand EVs is a huge issue that starts the process of making EVs available to people who don't buy new and don't lease cars.

[@FFVoyager]

The vast majority of car sales are of those second hand too!

[@JenniferHall-o6s]

You've desribed me perfectly! I don't understand why so much focus is put on pcp's, lease plans etc. when there must be thousands out there like me, who have no interest/intention of leasing, and will happily let others take the massive depreciation hit when driving a new car off the forecourt. I am torn between the Zoe, and the Skoda/Seat/ VW trio though.

[@rhiantaylor3446]

@@JenniferHall-o6s I was impressed with the number of reviewers who loved driving the VAG car but it is smaller with less range and a bit slower if that makes a difference - depends on your planned usage. We have been very happy with our 7000mile Zoe - a few days short of 2 years old when bought for 12700 from main dealer. Drove 190miles home with 70+ range still showing.

[@JenniferHall-o6s]

I think the Zoe will win. Periodically, we need to visit family which is a 154 mile round trip, plus any other running around we do at the same time. I've been keeping an eye on one which has just gone down by £ 1000 surprisingly. Could be a trip to the dealer in the week.

[@palusisko]

I am going to buy a used ev but still have fear - what battery will do after 10 years? I can see many videos of Tesla S owners (older 9 years) and there are many battery issues. One or more battery cell can fail and you have to change whole battery pack(Tesla) or module (Kona, ID3 etc..)...

[@13021J]

What about insurance? Hearing some horror stories recently

[@barriewilliams4526]

The way battery powered cars are depreciating, you'll be able to buy McMaster's Porsche Taycan for 10 grand in a couple of months time🙃

[@Brian-om2hh]

They aren't battery powered. They run off *electricity* stored in the battery. Do you call your car a petrol tank powered car? No, you don't, because it runs off the petrol in the tank, not the tank itself. Nobody in their right mind would want his Porsche. Who needs Porsche labour rates of £200 per hour? And electric cars aren't actually depreciating. They are simply adjusting to where they would normally have been prior to prices going silly, like most other cars.... Most people who buy new EV's now lease them, as it means they're insulated from any depreciation......

[@Dickie2702]

I wouldn't wipe my ar_e with anything that man had touched. His stance on EV's is divisive and only a ruse to get subs and likes. Trust me if EV ' more popular he'd be batting for the other side.

[@Dickie2702]

​@@tokoloshimampara9932Thank you we will. Think you'll find similar issues be set the ICE car market too. My 66 plate Mercedes GLC has lost 25% of its value in a year as have most "luxury cars".

[@Dickie2702]

@@tokoloshimampara9932 Thanks I'll call the authorities immediately I must need serious medical help.

[@seanpreston3439]

Definitely worthy of a look as a second car, my girlfriends old focus only did 4000k a year and this would be ideal. I agree with you about batch snobbery, our SEAT Alhambra is basically a VW Sharan and about £3k cheaper even though better spec.

[@paulblathwayt5152]

Wife loves her E-Up, which may differ from the SEAT in having the worlds smallest rear view camera, we had a non working heated seat which had the seat elements changed under warrenty, manage to get up to 6miles/kwh in the summer, efficiency tends to drop like a stone with the temperature, a fun little car prefer it to my Ioniq 5 in some ways

[@chrispenn715]

I always think the E-up is a special edition for Yorkshiremen 😂😂😂😂

[@BenThorp]

I love my eUP! too - even the hilarious rear-view camera that's all of 2 inches diagonal. I also have the heated seat issue - will need to get that sorted soon. Beware of the range guess-o-meter - in my experience it tends to either wildly overestimate or wildly underestimate the potential range.

[@raptorpome2577]

​@@BenThorpdon't kneel on the seat it damages the heating element

[@mloceloot5083]

I really liked that. An EV with a personality

[@StuartAT]

Small EVs are economical and big EVs are thirsty then? Sounds the same as ICE cars? 🤔🙂 I wonder what a small Hyundai would be like? I'm thinking of the difference between the Ioniq 5 and the Kona

[@davelenderson]

A 32kwh battery can be filled 0-100% in the 5 hours of an overnight cheap tariff and that efficiency would give me more range than on my 50kwh mg4

[@justinholding02]

It was the VW Group's first EV (2012),. Goes to show that the old tech is often the best, no active and energy wasting battery cooling/heating management, no silly over sized battery pack that adds weight, Yes the wheels spin on wet roads, I highly recommend getting rid of the stock tyres (Good Year Efficient grip) and getting some decent 4 season ones, it's a game changer! About the Seat App, it's a pity you didn't address the problem earlier, being a VW Group connectivity ambassador, I could have helped you with that one ;-). I'm sure you'll enjoy the little EV, we absolutely love our E-UP!

[@derGerhart]

thhey stopped making it because it was too good. they were worried about id 3 sales. but germany is getting rid of the substidies therefore cars are going to get cheaper and smaller again. otherwhise they wont meet their co2 goals. so we have to wait around 12 months. i wouldnt be surprised if they brought it back or if the id2e comes faster than expected to fill its void.

[@richmaniow]

Amazing, great to see the price madness following Covid is over, i think in another few years they'll be some great used EV's available below £10k especially once the new £20k Citroen hits the market in 2024 and basically makes most EV's look chronically overpriced..

[@artisanelectrics]

Thanks for your research

[@brianbailey4565]

I have been considering a Seat Mii as a replacement of our 107. It looks like it would be very similar in size and has the basic controls that we like. It looks like the perfect first EV. Did test drive a MG4, but the software problems and specification is above my requirements, also the early adopters seem to be being used to develop the car. I looking for something you just get in and drive.

[@norfolkngood8960]

What software problems?

[@onesky8647]

I didn't even know about this car 16 minutes ago, and they don't sell it anymore. 😳

[@ashb8572]

EVM: You mentioned the heated seat fault. This may be a common fault as the same fault came up for fellow youtuber KK and EV - he recently got the same used car, and the same button failed for him too 😢 kzbin.info/www/bejne/aYWvg3uCjM9pi80feature=shared

[@desmondbeattie3954]

Trouble is if it has so much depreciation then people will stop buying them new.

[@ElectricVehicleMan]

Then they get discounted heavily, as we’re seeing now. Depreciation is based on list price, which no one has paid.

[@michaelgodbold6247]

But for 10 grand you could have brought a REAL car

[@ElectricVehicleMan]

Oh no, you’ve hurt my manly feelings.

[@maesygwartha]

Hi EVM - Great choice, my 2021 Mii Electric has been brilliant over the almost 3 years I have had it…. Almost fault free. You have the same fault, the driver heated seat faulting out is a known fault and will be replaced under warranty as mine was in January. Regularly get 4.5 mp/kWh good luck. Agreed it was bonkers for VW group to kill the triplets, my guess that they were losing money on every one produced.

[@markymarkreviews]

I've said it before and I'll say it again, these are some of the best EVs on sale. Test drove both this and the VW Up 2+ years ago now and found them both brilliant. I own and drive a 10 year old ICE VW Up but the EV version was just more refined, solid, and fun. And yes, the efficiency incredible. But when I test drove them BOTH were unavailable new. In fact on the way to the VW test drive he called to say VW had just stopped all orders! I also believe they (VW Group) want better better profit margins on their bigger less good EVs and not on simple but brilliant cars like this. There can be no other reason. This car would suit many many people.

[@revans3158]

I'm currently saving up for one of these - of the three, my favourite is the Seat as well. I suspect that the VW group took the decision to stop making these is because they were so popular and they thought they were going to miss out on the massive profits of the bigger vehicles. This is truly a fantastic second car.

[@garyallsopp6369]

I understand that they were losing money on them.

[@tanja2651]

We own two VW e-Ups and we absolutely love them. If you can get one (or a Mii/Citigo), go for it. Just one thing, though. Our cars have the full spec. At least here in germany you couldn't get the heated windscreen and the rear parking camera for the Mii or the Citigo. I personally find these features quite useful and would really miss them if they weren't there. Just my 2 cents...

[@tanja2651]

@@garyallsopp6369 Afaik VW didn't want to invest in Hardware Updates necessary due to new regulatory requirements, so they canceled the car.

[@Hali88]

@@tanja2651thanks for that insight. These requirements are forcing companies to make big, heavy, inefficient and expensive cars with loads of safety gadgets which will eventually go wrong and cost a fortune to fix. Meanwhile some simple functions get buried in a touchscreen, distracting drivers from the road! Madness.

[@sabakag]

​@@tanja2651strangelly I bought Mii from Germany and it has heated windshield. But no camera and no buttons on the steering wheel. But on a plus side the fabric of the seats is of better quality and better looking than on Up. And the ceiling is black.

[@andysmith9913]

Great find. my 40k Mokka e isn't anywhere near ss efficiant, lucky to get 4 m/kwh and has terrible regen.

[@GordieK]

good review - we bought a 2 yr old Mazda MX-30 for £14k - absolute bargain and brillinat car - range about 125 at the moment but tbh it never goes anywhere near that on a dialy drive ...

[@FFVoyager]

Completely right about patience and taking the opportunity when you find it. Too many purchases (not just cars) are made when you have to and you are hamstrung with what's available at the time or without due consideration of what would be sensible. The only way to get a deal is be ready when you see one - and not 'have to' get it there and then.

[@leopold7562]

I've been contemplating replacing my ageing Meriva with an EV. I've already leased one from work, and Audi Q4, so my missus is using the Meriva and she's not overly keen on it. So this video is really interesting, because not only is the Mii right in the size window she'd be looking for, but it looks pretty well specced, it's a decent looking car, and underneath it's essentially a VW with a different badge. I'm seriously considering it, although I dare say trying to fund one right now is out of the question. Also, this is where I have to say a massive thanks to the EV haters. Because to them, the fence-sitters appear to be turning away from the used EV market and causing them to become much cheaper. So yeah, thanks to all you dinosaurs who hate change, you're making it much easier for me to save money!!

[@StefanoFinocchiaro]

Don't look at the efficency figures, I've the Skoda and they are faked, some time by a lot. You can check the real consumptions using an OBD adapter and check the battery kWh in/out counter

[@RB-lt8kt]

I like the way the phone can display car info. so why can;'t all cars do that ? Efficiency impressive for a small car and far better than my Bor at 3 to 3.5 in winter. If you know someone with VCDS they could find the heated seat issue. SEAT, VW stopped making the small EV so that the ID3 and Born would sell and they could ask for more money.

[@ewadge]

Love it and love your channel

[@Billy-m1l]

Been Discontinued. I see these with 5 door for around what you paid, maybe a little more expensive but with less mileage and even cheaper bought private. But you still got it at a good price. I understand the Seat brand is being discontinued by VW, do you know if that is correct? Seems a strange move if it is, Seat are a really good car, I have driven several (in ICE form)

[@Jaw0lf]

What a great find and the efficiency is amazing. It certainly shows that smaller cars work well as EV's if the price is right. Add in the over 200 miles of range and it can work very well in most situations.

[@StefanoFinocchiaro]

Efficiency is faked

[@darrendavies1208]

@@StefanoFinocchiaro Lol. I've been driving one of these for 30 months. Consistently 6 miles kWh summer, 5 winter

[@StefanoFinocchiaro]

yes and they are both inflated@@darrendavies1208

[@lookoutleo]

Realy it has 200 mile range ?

[@lookoutleo]

@@darrendavies1208 is it realy 200 mile range?

[@andreasfaust4134]

i have the same car 2 years old for 14000 euro,and in summertime i make 350km with this car,,in winter 230km,so i load two times a month only,its the best and cheapest electrocar on the market,i am from germany

[@Zerofightervi]

I'm not an EV fan. I watch your channel to try to convince me that EVs are a worthy replacement for ICE vehicles.

[@pollywollydo]

Re the switch. Try gentle prying it out - just the. Bit you press no t the whole switch. May be barbs top and bottom. Just did something similar. On my Octy climate system today . In side that one there seems to be a carbonised? Tiny pad also a rubber “ tube “ for want of a better word which seems to act as a soft return spring( doesn’t come out) give the pad a wipe, snapped it back in and done . I had two buttons similar worked on both - best of luck

[@christinerobottom9444]

It tends to be the heating system in seat, When its fixed dont kneel on the seat that can cause the problems, I will have to buy a smaller phone my S23 ultra is to large.

[@dantebg100]

We have plenty of Dacia spring 27kwh for 10 000 euro 2022 model

[@allosaurusfragilis7782]

This is the kind of electric car manufacturers ought to be building, cheaper small city cars. They make sense. But theyre not, theyre building massive, heavy suv sized trucks that are eye wateringly expensive. VW has dropped the UP altogether. I have a 9 year old petrol one and its brilliant. Cost 6 k a couple of years ago with very low miles. I might have gone electric , but the equivalent was three times the cost. So i didnt. Im not sure how these will fare when 9 years old and the battery starts to go. The car will likely be scrapped when it does. When you consider the mining and manufacture, thats hardly a green solution, is it? So, not for me, im afraid. Not as things stand at the momsnt.

[@PhineasPhlob]

Brilliant cars, I'll be sad when my leased e-up goes back. Hopefully buying an i3S as a replacement will soften the blow.

[@jezthomas4402]

Not a sexy topic, but so important that you are putting your money where your mouth is and disproving the whinger FUD out there on beating the EV price conundrum - great work! Wish these kinds of videos could find their way to the target audience, like my Dad, who has a total disbelief that this kind of car exists and how much better it would be than his petrol Corsa. I think smart pensioners are the ideal candidates to snap these up: on a budget, don't need anything big, would love to not have servicing costs, and would love the convenience of charging at home. Also easier to drive. If I were making more on the servicing of cars than the sale then the last thing I want is a great, affordable car, which I can't earn loads of servicing income from becoming more popular than the petrol version; if I were VAG then I'd definitely stop making that car! Just a thought. Amazingly, unlike absolutely every product you can buy in Britain, small, used EVs are cheaper here in NZ; I just bought a top of the range (leather, Bose, 360 camera...) Leaf for equiv. £4000 here and with a healthy range. Love your work, keep covering real-world use cases and answering the big questions we all need answering, and keep mucking about with your mate; those vids are great fun!

[@darrendavies1208]

Broken element in the seat is a likely cause. Fix under warranty

[@jnmurphy]

Year usually caused by climbing/leaning on it during cleaning with knees fists elbows etc

[@jamesguy7396]

Sorry, I thought I was replying to an MG4 owner. Congratulations on your Mii.

[@danielrenaud4639]

Thanks for the great review. I love my Mii electric ❤. So good to drive.

[@ianwatkins9609]

What about Insurance compared to ICE equivalent. Just asking as have been screwed with my iPace compared to Audi A5 convertible diesel.

[@darrendavies1208]

My Mii electric has always cost double what my previous petrol ones were. Renewal comes in January, expected to go up again like everyone else's has

[@alexwilkes6422]

The up! owners club forum is worth a look for the heated seat issue. I bought new and ended up with an e-up! rather than a mii because I was able to get the up! more quickly from stock but it would be hard to justify going Vw for a second hand purchase. I’d offer the e-up for a comparison video but you would have to come to Caithness.

[@matchew321]

The VAG groups first gen EVs are so efficient, they should have continued with these rather than the ID range. I would have bought a 50kwh mk8 eGolf if they built it. I have had 5.2mpkw out of my mk7 eGolf that would have given me 140miles in the summer which has a slightly smaller battery than eUp/Mii Get about 3.8 in the winter. Depends on what temperature you set the heater too. Heated windscreen is a bit annoying at night through.

[@norfolkngood8960]

The ID series are horrible. Deleting 2 window switches is just stupidly annoying, those touch surface controls are a pain too

[@matchew321]

@@norfolkngood8960 I am hoping the ID2 will change that from some of the videos I have seen. VW are putting buttons back and going away from haptic buttons. But it’s still two years away and other smaller cars will be coming out like the Renault 5 which VW will lose a lot of sales too.

[@jamesguy7396]

I sold my Mii a year ago for over £17000. We loved it but we were going down to one car and sold our Pandas 4x4 as well. We always look back with some regret because we loved both. The Seat averaged over 5 ml/kWhr during our ownership. Brilliant. A major problem for us was the seats were not comfortable on longer journeys. We bought the MG4 (LFP battery) and when I first drove it, (Nov 2022), I thought there was something wrong with it because it seemed so inefficient - I thought all ev's should be close to 5ml/kWhr in winter, how naive.

[@ianjames3078]

Get you……we got an mg4 lr se and shocked by its inefficiency compared to our Ioniq 38kWh.

[@cathhart3360]

We bought one of these after seeing your review from a couple of years ago..".like baked beans on toast" - it really is! Unpretentious, capable, fun!

[@ricbrook7059]

The Up has an all glass tailgate, the Mii and Citygo have half steel ones. They stopped making them because they were losing money on each one built after the pandemic due to component costs.

[@davidpearn5925]

Pity they never came to Australia.

[@anthonynorris7736]

Crazy you can buy a one year old 73 reg used corsa ev for under 14k

[@chrispenn715]

My aunt has had the electric version Mii for a couple of years and loves it. The petrol version is great too but given how these cars arw used, the electric version is the obvious choice

[@andyemmpee3037]

Brilliant, thanks for updating 😁. Had a lot of problems with the app too, esim reactivated now. Which app were you using on the phone please, Drive Mii or Connect as the screen didnt look like Connect. Bought our May 21 Mii electric around 9000 miles, in September for £11k and as you say the small numbers available on Autotrader seem to be going up for more £'s. Just to say theres a friendly FB group for Mii electric owners, over 650 members 👍😁

[@RalphAverbuch]

Did you solve your app problems and if yes can you share what you had to do? Cheers

[@connclissmann6514]

Congratulations on the find, good luck with it and thanks for the video.

[@sid35gb]

1.8p per mile 😵 that got my attention

[@FoxInClogs]

You mentioned an issue with the Zoe, I believe - That your wife couldn't get to her parents (and back) without charging. Will the Mii get there & back, or will your wife borrow the Tesla for those trips?

[@ElectricVehicleMan]

It can, only just in winter.

[@keithdunderdale8027]

Very good buy ! but when are we going to address the problem of people who park on the street being able to run their EV as cheap as everyone who park in their nice garage and driveway ???? It appears to be subject that has dropped off the radar again from all the EV KZbin channel's and it really annoys me! we are heading into a very unbalanced situation in this country with this subject . There is no incentive for anyone in this situation to buy an EV and more than 50% of vehicles in the UK park on the road at night. I park off road at night , in a garage charge on a smart meter at night and with Solar in the summer so can you imagine what anyone who has no option but to park on the street thinks about EV's and people who can run one with these arrangements ? At least with ICE we where all in the same boat at the petrol station !!!!

[@ElectricVehicleMan]

I mention this repeatedly. I also see my MP and help several local and county councils with charging strategies. What we need is for people to actually try and affect change with the powers that be instead of just complaining about it. Then we might get somewhere.

[@Piezochem]

Such a good little runaround. I loved my petrol Mii (first car)- I remember when I was shopping around and comparing a load of second hand petrol Mii, Citigo and Up! ~7 years ago. The Mii was cheapest with most tech, my budget was cheapest Citigo and mid-range Mii and the Up! was just too expensive. It really makes no sense at all when they are identical cars. Literally every component says “VW” on them, I’ve still got the faulty accelerator peddle from my Mii and it says “VW” on it!! Definitely a wise purchase with the Mii.

[@dh10178]

Had the e-up for the day as a courtesy car. Great car

[@grahamkearnon6682]

Just remember folks as soon as you connect your phone to th car all and, I mean ALL info from that phone gets linked/uploaded to the car manufacturer and, god knows what else.

[@ElectricVehicleMan]

😄😄😄

[@davidviner4932]

Wow 10 grand used car and the dash buttons look so cheap, I think I'll wait until I can do my trips to the south of France in something nicer and I don't get the 'city car' thing, all cars I've owned can drive into a city when I've wanted to

[@ElectricVehicleMan]

Never said they couldn’t but a small car is cheaper, more efficient and easier to park etc in a city environment. Which is a million times more common than ‘driving to the south of France’.

[@mikefoley360]

They're cheap as they're unwanted. I note a new honda e-ny1 is £35k new presently, 11k off rrp of 46k.

[@briangriffiths114]

What a great car for such a bargain price!

[@MrGMawson2438]

Hello mate

[@bencole4272]

We buy any car values my Hyundai Kona Electric 64Kwh Premium SE at £10.5k. It's a 70 plate and not three years old yet. It's done 93k miles is the reason. Despite this, my OBD reader (and basic maths comparing range against economy) indicates the battery health is over 97%.

[@t4bs594]

We loved our Seat Mii Electric. The only reason I sold it was because I was offered £1,300 more than I paid for it. First time I ever made money on a car. The build quality is excellent. The efficiency is unmatched by our Tesla or MG4. The fun factor was higher too. Totally understand your enthusiasm and joy.

[@hughmacdonald1911]

Hi. Do you think it's better than the mg4 overall? I'm considering both when my golf eventually dies..

[@t4bs594]

@@hughmacdonald1911 Hi. Overall, taking into account our need to travel 200 plus miles quite regularly, the MG4 wins on its charging speed - which is double of that of the Seat Mii. The battery on the MG4 is LFP, so that's a plus. If we were only doing short trips and wanted a cheaper option, I would go for the Seat. Otherwise, the newer, more technically advanced, longer rage MG4 would be my choice.

[@danielstefanovic2604]

Personaly i would rather pay 3000 ekstra and Get a used corsa-e instead, it has also depreciated way more.

[@reddeviluk]

I bought a 3 month old petrol VW Up in 2016 as a temporary car when my Land Rover fell apart, paid £7,500. Now done 55k miles, so far have only had to replace tyres and brake disks. Group 1 insurance, 55mpg. Took it to the local garage to see what it's worth trade in.......£5k. £2,500 depreciation in 7 years. I'll never go back to big flash cars.

[@harrycorry3772]

Rather than never going back to big flash cars why not buy one AFTER the massive depreciation has kicked in? I was looking at a Jaguar i-pace (£75 k new but around £35 k now). Might pay £35 k for such a nice car but would NEVER pay that sort of money NEW (not that I could afford to anyway)😅

[@reddeviluk]

@@harrycorry3772 I used to drive BMWS, Land Rovers blindly. After getting the Up, which was only meant to be a car for a few weeks, I'm honestly converted. I drive a mile now for pennies. It's been bulletproof, easy to park and basically perfect for my needs. I just wish I'd discovered them earlier.

[@harrycorry3772]

@@reddeviluk Understand the economy aspect but depends what you want from your driving. Personally, I just like going for a drive so what's most important to me is a smooth, comfortable drive inside as luxurious a car as I can afford. I could opt for a cheap, basic EV but if I don't like driving it then it's no use to me at all.

[@rogerfinch7651]

Same battery size and same gear stick/ function as my e golf 2020, so they probably retired it with the e golf. I get 3.6 to 5.2 kWh winter to summer in that 😂

[@StefanoFinocchiaro]

eGolf and eUP!/mii/citigo consumptions figures are faked, you need to use an OBD adapter and check the battery kWh in/out counter. (I proved this in my citigo)

[@connclissmann6514]

They sell the VW e-UP! new at the moment.

[@cms1104]

Only outstanding orders will be fulfilled and then that's it.

[@Madonsteamrailways]

That SEAT is a Volkswagen Up! anyway!! We’ve all heard that Volkswagen took over SEAT and Skoda at the same time!!

[@rogerhudson9732]

VW group are in big trouble, small efficient cars (ev or ice) only make very small profit, why they stopped all Up! manufacture at Zvikau. Only big expensive EVs have a useful profit margin. Where I live (not UK) the Mk2 Golf diesel is still very common, they last forever.

[@martingatehouse6306]

Great idea. Tried to buy one from cinch. Can't take cc payment in 2 hits (credit limit) won't increase without full credit check. Have money in current a/c. Bank doesn't appear on cinch list. Octopus and pod both want your money for fitting a charging point, without committing to a fit date. Unacceptable! So given up.

[@lordteblin1]

I had a Mii on lease and loved it. But circumstances changed so it went back. Have a 41kw zoe now, but much preffered my Mii.

[@stevemann6110]

@EVMan we bought pretty much the same car as you. Having an absolute nightmare with SEAT in getting them to link the Connect App. It’s so simple but so stupid. Was thirsty issue you had with the app?

[@ElectricVehicleMan]

Yeah it took a few weeks. Works now though.

[@stevemann6110]

@@ElectricVehicleMan I gotta be fair looking at all the issues people are having with the app. SEATs current solutions aren’t inspiring me with much hope 😳

[@rogerball8385]

Have you considered that to get that car for 10k, the previous owner jas last an awful lot of money. Would you/he/she then buy a new EV ever again? Yes, you've got a cheap EV, but this won't/can't continue because private buyers won't want to buy a new EV due to the terrible depreciation.

[@ElectricVehicleMan]

1, It was leased 2, You’re assuming they paid full price which in 2020 didn’t happen. 3, Do you want EVs to be less affordable? Literally can’t win.

[@rogerball8385]

@@ElectricVehicleMan 1. Ok, so it was just a lease company that lost a load of money? 2. Discounting, these days, just reduces second hand prices even more (Tesla example)....fine if you're new to the sector, not so much if you already own one. 3. Yes, but I can't see this being sustainable.

[@lengthmuldoon]

I like Evs but they remain niche market because of real world restrictions. The reality is you need to charge overnight to save any real dough and that needs to cover the next days mileage. If not you're into planning and strategy akin to Rommel crossing the desert using rosary beads to pray for divine intervention in ensuring charging points are where they're supposed to be, working and available. I like fig rolls

[@stevebrown8007]

They stopped that car and egolf ( I have one) because they want you to get Id car. The golf is like any other golf but cheap to run and gets 4 likes per kw almost daily (more in summer). I'd range is crap and too expensive. Not sure what ill get when this dies but as it's 20 plate and only 14k on it should last long long time.

[@Willeth]

Did you get the adjustable boot floor with it? For some reason that's missing on every preowned Mii I've looked at. I believe it was standard although I suppose it may have been an option.

[@davidharman2705]

There was no adjustable boot floor in mine. I'll have to look to see if it has the supports for one

[@sib4897]

​@@davidharman2705The holes are there as standard. See my other reply for more information.

[@sib4897]

The adjustable floor was never standard but is very useful. We bought a new one from SEAT in 2021 for around £155 which I fitted myself as it's quite straightforward. Part Numbers: G1S0858855E1BS (Platform), G1S0858831F82V (Mounting), G1S0858832F82V (Mounting), GN91026802 (Fixing Bolt 6 No. Required). There's a used full kit that looks in good condition with all the parts as above currently on e?b?a?y for £130 Item No. 204530443827.

[@christinerobottom9444]

I bought some 3/4 mdf cut to fit stapled some spare carpet on top didnt cost a tenner and looks good.

[@williamlawrenson8345]

Don't suppose it has vehicle to load? Can you program charge times without having a home charger? As a first EV, adding a home charger would add about £1000 to the price.

[@jur4x]

In 2013 I bought brand new petrol SEAT Mii (63reg) for £9000

[@radfoo]

Looks good. Next challenge 15k?

[@sergigorchs7329]

Mine is white !

[@Madonsteamrailways]

They stopped making it because Volkswagen, the corporate owner of SEAT, demanded that it was withdrawn at the time that the Up! was discontinued.

[@pwatsonuk]

I spy with my little eye a Givenergy EV charger to replace your Ohme Home... Video?

[@QALibrary]

what a brilliant deal

[@tonyireland2234]

Sounds like you got a bargain after someone else took the massive depreciation hit.I think your message to us private buyers is to not buy a brand new EV ! Would I be correct in saying this ?

[@ElectricVehicleMan]

Previous owner was a lease.

[@stevel9914]

@@ElectricVehicleMan previous owner was still the fella who took the hit whether leased or not... the lease was based on depreciation... someone took the hit .. even if it was the lease company (who won't make the same mistake twice ... and will seek to redress the loss in new leases. There is only one player in the game that takes the hit ultimately and that's the fella on the street... just like insurance losses (and the subsequent hikes to cover the loss) Do you live in la la land where the NHS is free?

[@Chris-yc3mm]

Would prefer a proper display. I really dislike that phone mounting thing

[@dannya6825]

My brother had a Citigo (ICE version) and it was genuinely such a great little car. Boggles the mind why they stopped making them.

[@nigelbryant5932]

I want to buy an ev but am worried about the cost of A. The charger installation and B. The insurance costs

[@pipedreamtv9697]

Slightly better than popping your wife an a Renault Zoe with a stunning Euro Ncap safety rating of 0 yes ZERO 👍

[@paultasker7788]

That's only because they took out lane keeping assist and emergency brake assist due to a lack of computer chips. It was 4 stars when tested for accident protection which beat the mii 3 star rating. A very silly penalty because any one who has lane keeping assist turns it straight off anyway! On country roads it's a liabilty

[@pipedreamtv9697]

@@paultasker7788 BS do your research they also removed side impact airbags and other features DEATH TRAP 💀 Amazing how EVangerlists still justify a ZERO safety rating, for god sake have an electric car, but at least a relatively safe one!!!

[@stevel9914]

I wouldn't rely on ncap for real world accidents,,,, however I wouldn't necessarily rely on an ev either, weight is a key issuefor range and a lot weight is in the battery .. so they'll have to save something somewhere. ncap is for vehicle manufacturers marketing .. they sponsor the system.

[@togeika]

I just bought a 2015 24kw 68,000 miles, 11 bars (83% SOH) for $7,950.00 here in Minneapolis

[@Zerofightervi]

Part of the problem with these cars is cost. Small cars are very expensive to engineer so to have any hope of being profitable it helps to have multiple versions based on the same platform, so VAG then had the VW, Skoda & SEAT versions to spread the cost, unfortunately SEAT have been underperforming for years & VW have decided to pull the plug so to speak on SEAT as a brand. Cupra is now going to be a standalone brand rather than a trim level of SEAT. Also the platform that the VW Up & it's sister cars are based on is now getting on a bit having first been released in 2012, I'd imagine it's probably up coming crash regulations that have probably killed it off in reality.

[@keithbrown339]

One of difference between the Citigo and the UP is inner rear wheel arches this makes UP a lot quieter in the wet (you can retro fit this if you can find the part no.) Overall both cars are brilliant. Also you can select the colour you want in the radio in the menus

[@RedBatteryHead]

You can just spray extra Dinitrol stone chip coating

[@paultasker7788]

I used to get mii hire cars when our Leon was in for a service. And in the rain it was loud! Now I know why. Arches not insulated.That said at least there's no rust trap later on. The mii drove well and felt fun. The 1.0 60bhp even feeling quite nippy in a car this light. So can imagine the EV feels nippy.

[@robertpatrick3350]

This makes a massive difference!

[@TheTrinitygroup]

Used EV’s are a great deal especially if you can charge at home , I have an ev on a lease hopefully people will stay negative on EV’s and I can buy one when my lease ends

[@apterachallenge]

To me, the age of a car is less important than the mileage anyway. Even if it's 3 or 4 years old, if the mileage was lower than a 2-year old car and was cheaper I would buy the car with the lower mileage over the "newer" car.

[@RedBatteryHead]

Price market is Nice for buyers. Not for sellers I think. We have had the Old Arosa petrol for years. Very pleasant car. Even on long trips.

[@raptorpome2577]

Is the battery passively cooled same as the Nissan leaf or does it have active cooling... will it rapid gate..... plus what's the speeds it recharges at

[@bathfun]

Thank you, I will be in autotrader looking to copy you.

[@ytdood]

On the heated seat front, if it's only 2 years old, shouldn't you still have a warranty on it? thought it was 4 years for the whole car.

[@sib4897]

It’s 3 years or 60,000 miles, whichever comes sooner.

[@brianwright9983]

Over spent! all proper Yorkshire men will be turning in their graves.