The BEST $600 Chinese Tourbillon? | The Sugess Tourbillon Master Breguet Homage

[@eggcorner7829]

I am a tourbillon

[@Tone_SA]

I will think of a reply in a few business days.

[@Imthebiggestbird9]

​@@Tone_SAdone yet?

[@Tone_SA]

@@Imthebiggestbird9 possibly

[@Imthebiggestbird9]

@@Tone_SA ok, check back in a few more business days

[@LTV249]

Unfortunately you are a quartz😌

[@itze_]

That's just beautiful. My favorite cheap tourbillon so far

[@andrewwilson8273]

Congratulations on your Sugess! I have the same movement in another Sugess, the enamel face with Breguet numerals. I was trying it out in anticipation of buying a German watch costing much, much, more with a standard movement with similar size and design. I never bothered with the German watch. I've had this one for a couple of years and although I have more costly watches with recognised brands this one is pretty much my favourite. It has proved reliable. The power reserve makes it very convenient and I found the strap and clasp very comfortable for extended periods of wear. I'd second the commenter who suggested buying from the supplier. I purchased, through Amazon, from Sugess. Their communication was fast and on-point. I have no hesitation in recommending Sugess and this watch. I expect that I will buy more Sugess watches in the future. Thanks for the interesting video!

[@nekrozclockwork]

Beautiful watch this one, the styling is great and it looks very well made, not for the price, just really well made in general. Some time ago you made a video on a chronograph from mysterious code, and that inspired me to get their wandering hours watch, although mine was labled as pindu on the listing. It has no brand labeled (except maybe "contemporary complications" on the back, but I can't find anything pointing to that as the brand). I put it on a sailcloth style rubber strap and it has singlehandedly replaced my entire collection, I basically haven't worn anything else since I got it and it is my new favorite watch, so thank you for that.

[@Tone_SA]

I was actually looking at that Pindu wandering hours, only thing pushing me back is the thickness. And also I am pretty sure it's from the same exact factory as Mysterious Code haha. Anyways, wear it in good health!

[@nekrozclockwork]

@@Tone_SA thank you, I also agree, there seems to be a single factory making this module used by mysterious code, pindu, Pierre Paulin and Hology. I got the sport watch version, not the dress watch one and the listing states 13 mm thick, I haven't confirmed it but it seems accurate, which for a sports watch is quite good, especially for one with such a complication. I would heartily recommend the watch, especially at sale price, I saved like 40 dollars on it.

[@quarters-eye8922]

Another great video. I’m a huge fan of Sugess. 👍 Thank you for sharing.

[@bernardbarroga1497]

Without a doubt, these Chinese made tourbillons are getting increasingly popular. My only concern is its reliability due to lack of quality control. To sum it up, it’s a good looking watch for the price. Great review, btw.👍🏼

[@Tone_SA]

Thank you!

[@cs0654]

I received mine this week, a Sugess moonphase/tourbillon combo - I can only vouch for the fit and finish, and after much research I think sea-gull killed it with this movement. Plenty of dollars left for servicing, or quite frankly, replacing, but I don't think that will be the case after what I received. A tip I received from a longstanding Ali to Amazon flipper - buy from the official stores, either online or Ali-Express - they pick the best movement/watch combos in order to build out their brands and reputation, and are super responsive to any issues one might have. Haven't had to test that, but they were really responsive and fast right through the process (I hounded them with "pick me the best one" messages :D :D)

[@cedarcanoe]

a beautiful Brguet dial on this Sugess, love it!

[@redbarchetta8782]

One year later I was able to get my Sugess Tourbillion with the Aventuring dial for $450 shipped in 10 days to my door. Nice leather'like book style box as well and two straps, alligator and faux gator.

[@kallachnadra]

Can you please share the shop..link..you bought it from ?

[@schummelpilz]

Can you share the link?

[@dantaylor1173]

i have 6 china's and i love every one i also have very hi quality swiss and german, for the $$ the chinese should be proud

[@thevivekmathema]

i gor the original Sugess Tourbillion (golden color) with white enamel dial and roman letters for 350 USd ( barely sued second had)... is it worth it? I even got 2 month to test and it works fine with 1-2 seconds per day variation and around 55 hours power reserve!

[@martinkavanagh9641]

Why would a decent watch made in China be any less than a decent watch?

[@Tone_SA]

You know, some people look down on the quality just from where they originated. It's really sad.

[@Aztec1050]

Because China is a negative word

[@martinkavanagh9641]

@@Aztec1050 But only to stoopid brain-dead thickos - sentient beings know better. Best Regards.

[@williamdavis8910]

They arent but these arent watches made by Lin Yong Hua , these are mass produced garbage made in a large factory . To say that people look down in a watch because of its origins is bullshit , they are looked down on because they are substandard materials made in mass pressing assembled by the same people assembling your ipone .. Ill pay 3000 a 30,000 for a Lin Yong Hua , and would probably pay 50 dollars for this watch on dh gate where you can more than likely buy it . Dont be ignorant

[@khorazy420]

​@@williamdavis8910Thinking you can even get a mass produced tourbillon watch made with sub par materials for $50 is retarded. Don't be ignorant.

[@somebodyoncetoldme8636]

aesop sells like a tourbillon under 250 if you really want one but idk if its as good as this one

[@Tone_SA]

It's not as good. Aesop uses a lower quality Hangzhou movement if I'm not wrong. Their 'blue' hands are also just painted blue and they've got a lower quality dial.

[@nextonthewrist]

Couldn't agree more with your points about the rise of Chinese watch making - not there yet but improvements are definitely happening year on year. Enjoyed the video, I've been watching Aliexpress Tourbillions for a while, eventually I'll grab one 😅

[@bfair6284]

The affordability is also running away from you and me by the year. This applies to all watches and things in general.

[@rickjason215]

For the price, this watch is certainly “there”.

[@TylerDurden916]

I thought this was Watchfinder and Co!

[@Tone_SA]

Thank you haha

[@carzakone333]

I like watching this 16:9 videos on my phone 👍

[@L110508]

Compare this with $600 Swiss-made watches, like Tissot.

[@lqdlqd1385]

It is like Breguet Classique 5140, but with tourbillon.

[@kpecel8856]

Indeed!

[@stupedcraig]

Would love a chinese tool watch. Nice movement, sapphire, 200m wr etc.

[@hlim431]

blows my mind...

[@that1guy910]

Amazing and super informative video! After watching right at the end and hearing the mention of honorable mentions such as Aesop and Acelocer you also mentioned Jinlery. I really want to know how reliable Jinlery and how its quality is as a brand and movement because it's the cheapest tourbillon i've seen yet! Even cheaper than Aesop but can't find any info about the brand and movement used. So i was wondering if you knew anything about the brand and if it's worth a perchance. Or will just break after a month or two?

[@Tone_SA]

As far as I can see, based on just the actual product pictures, I am pretty sure they use the lowest end tourbillons available. The other parts of the watch also have distinct cost cutting measures. Like cheaper hands, cheaper dial. I can't assess the reliability, but I'd say it's probably more of a miss then hit. E.g. you'd have a higher chance of getting one that fails easily than one that doesn't.

[@that1guy910]

@@Tone_SA thank you! Very informative

[@Vijay-lg1xs]

Sugess watches are great... only terrible thing is the Butterfly clasp... its for sure a Plastic Knife

[@jlzab6914]

Il est à noter que lors des concours de précision, les montres mécaniques les plus précises n'avaient pas de tourbillon

[@kpecel8856]

Bought mine today. I'll let you know my impressions here if anyone is interested.

[@paulwiffin2452]

How is it?

[@peterreeve7609]

I have bought a Sugees Tourbillon. But the wind was very stiff ? and the wind click was not working . This resulted in some wind weel teeth getting broken. I contacted Sugees Honkong BUT THEY SAID THAT IT WAS OUT OF THE 12 MONTH GAR. APPART FROM THAT THEY HAVE NOT BEEN HELPFULL as I need a Spair Part.

[@Tone_SA]

If you bought it off Aliexpress, and it was a recent purchase, you might still be able to ask them for help. However, if you bought it from another website, I am afraid that you probably won't find any help. Parts for these watches are not easily found, since they make them in full movements only, you will probably have to find a donor watch movement.

[@Ardious]

Does a wristwatch need to be a tourbillon though?

[@Tone_SA]

no

[@frankfrank9711]

I guess the main issue, as with many other things is the assembly. If Grand Seiko were assembled outside Japan, it might not be as good?

[@Tone_SA]

Well really depends on who is doing the assembly I guess. If the same people in Grand Seiko with the same love of watches decided to go to Indonesia and start an assembly branch with the same standards, I'm sure they'd do as well. When it comes to watches like these, it really comes up to the person or the group of people who decided to make the watch. So far this watch is assembled pretty well, I mean it still ticks to this day if that matters, it's already been almost a year since I bought it

[@jeffreytan2948]

Wow Sugess put out all the stops here. The movement bridges are all beveled and chamfered something even top swiss watch brands omit on their tier watches. Also, what is this I see, a screwed balance wheel on the tourbillion ?! Now that is a proper old fashioned balance wheel, something the watch exudes. Everything looks old fashioned - the movement, the dial (a classic Breguet look)... nothing looks out of place. Even the font for "Sugess" is appropriate for this watch, not the usual Sugess cursive.

[@andrewwilson8273]

Yeah, the cursive script on my tourbillon is the only aspect of the watch that I think could be improved. I think I understand why they did it, but I don't agree with the choice!

[@realtimesvn]

The dial design looks a bit plain. What about its accuracy?

[@Tone_SA]

Mine still runs at roughly around +/- 3 to 5 seconds a day. The dial has got a guilloche design, but I can see why you say it's plain.

[@craigweems]

Tourbillion: A problem looking for a solution.

[@luthier78]

Are those available without any logo ?

[@Tone_SA]

You could ask the seller on Aliexpress, sometimes they can do one without logos, but no guarantee.

[@PaulBrunache]

Great review

[@Tone_SA]

Thank you!

[@SB-Kiwi]

Is it the lighting and camera angle or are there broken teeth on one of the wheels at 9:08?

[@Tone_SA]

Most likely lighting. If it means anything the watch still works and I wear it quite often.

[@coin.guy8411]

I've seen some for $300 and less. They say Tourbillion on them, is that a Chinese brand or an overall description for that kind of movement?

[@Tone_SA]

Some of the really cheap ones say that but don't actually have a tourbillon in them. A tourbillon is an extremely effective way/complication to increase the accuracy of pocket watches in the olden days, not a chinese brand. It is sought after due to the difficulty of making such a complication, and also that its distracting in a pleasant way.

[@kallachnadra]

where do i find it..purchase it from ?

[@Tone_SA]

Aliexpress, link in the description

[@dimasakbar7668]

Sold!

[@mordziasty2]

at this momnt you have 3 sugess , with one presents best value ?

[@Tone_SA]

I would say the Moonphase Master, with all things considered

[@mordziasty2]

@@Tone_SA ok, there are 2 more to go : the one with biggest moon - ST2108 and the cheapest one ST2528, maby You can buy whole "family" 🙂 and make a ranking ?

[@Tone_SA]

​@@mordziasty2 I most likely will not be getting the SU2108. Though I have had experience with this piece in the past from a friend, it is very similar to the S426 in terms of feel and quality. The SU2528 however, is a possible purchase in the future, not very soon as I am considering another brand for my next Aliexpress related review, since I have to buy all of these myself haha. I am really impressed by the aventurine and how spectacular the moonphase is on this piece, and am excited to get it. The movement however is my worry on this piece, from the images I have seen it doesn't look too good, but who know until I've seen it first hand.

[@slateization]

This is a seriously beautiful watch. Great find

[@cesarmatiasbalderrama3658]

Muy bien

[@erkadinata1623]

Amazing 😊😮

[@popecosh307]

This video feels very familiar

[@mukeshvora1721]

Where in india i can buy Is it available in dubai

[@Tone_SA]

Unfortunately, I do not know. You will probably have to buy it online or pay heavy markups if you buy it physically in your country.

[@roytofilovski9530]

If it breaks then my suggestion would be to get it repaired......

[@Tone_SA]

Hasn't broken yet and is still going strong. The suggestion to repair is really situational. It depends on the price of the repair vs the original price of the watch. For movements like this, which are usually produced almost as if it was disposable, have parts that are difficult to source, and may drive up prices. Heck even just a basic service of the watch won't be cheap.

[@jkw6196]

The good days of ultra high margin ip off Swiss watches are numbered

[@JulianPerale-wc5sy]

buen video

[@TheLowkeyChannel1]

do these tourbillions really last or break easily?

[@Tone_SA]

Mine still functions after half a year if that matters. So far theres really never been any reports of any of then breaking.

[@TheLowkeyChannel1]

thank you for the reply. what do you think of the agelocer tourbillon also a chinese watch @@Tone_SA

[@Tone_SA]

Agelocer seems to use movements made by one of the other more major movement manufacturers in China, I think its hangzhou. No experience with their watches, but based purely on visuals, it looks good

[@jefflyon100]

It looks nothing like a guilloche cut dial. It does not reflect light at all really or in any way similar to guilloche work. It's a matte finish without crisp line work and zero depth. It does look nice and somewhat reminds me of the old silvered dials on a clock. It won't fool anyone that's even vaguely famiar with guilloche. Straight line engines and rose engine lathes produce an unmistakable look with bright cuts and depth, this does not. It's still a great value and a lot of watch for $$$. The tourbillon is the big draw and the only reason to spend $600 on it. Otherwise that money is better spent on higher quality brands with better movements and nicer finishes.

[@Tone_SA]

Yep, doesn't come close to the real when you are up close thing definitely. But it's the closest you can get at this price.

[@Aztec1050]

How does the finishing of the movement compare with Grand Seiko?

[@Tone_SA]

Very blatantly, Grand Seiko destroys the Sugess. So does Rolex and tudor quite frankly, in a purely watchmaking perspective. This is not only due to how 'shiny' the movements look, but also how clean the shaping of the movement plates are, how good the engraving for the letters at the back is, and also in general the cleanliness of the movement. But if you compare it with Seiko, I think it's on par in terms of cleanliness and better in terms of finishing and luxor.

[@Aztec1050]

@@Tone_SA I thought the st8230 is better finished than grand seiko? The underside of the 9S movement are not finished but all the hidden part of this tourbillon is perlaged

[@Tone_SA]

Perlage on the Sugess is one thing, but its a very low grade and inconsistent perlage. I'd much better prefer minimal, really well done finishing on the visible parts of the watch then subpar finishing on lesser seen parts of a watch. Also from tearing apart some Seagull movements, alot fo the time internally its not actually finished, not too sure about this sugess. And from what I see, the 9S does have a perlage finish. At least at the base of the movement, not too sure about the internals though.

[@Aztec1050]

@@Tone_SA thanks for the reply. I found disassembled pictures of 9S movement, Rolex 3230 and a ST8230, Rolex has the best internal finishings, much better than Grand Seiko, the seagull tourbillon is actually very close to Rolex. The Grand Seiko does seem to be cleaner than the seagull but the level of internal finishings is way less. The seagull tourbillon movement is definitely not your typical low end Chinese movement

[@Aztec1050]

@@Tone_SA I’m actually very surprised about Rolex. From the outside it looks kinda shitty like the pedestrian ETA. but once you take it apart, it’s basically Patek level of finishings.

[@ankhenaten2]

Swiss are overpriced

[@user-wc6xs1vc4w]

Why people Appreciate Only Paying A Lot....

[@user-pk6oh1vj2e]

Breguet from temu 💀💀

[@ArchDuke_JD]

a Chinese Breguet with better designed lugs gg :)

[@cwe3874]

Are you sure uppon some details? - There is probably no ANTI REFLECTING COATING used on the front glass (bought a very similiar one from Sugess this year; no coating) - Back glass is very probably normal MINERAL GLASS. Simply test it with a drop of water and observe the difference between the front- and the back glass. In my case it's normal mineral glass. As it is the case on my Seagull 1963 from Sugess. - BLUEING is very probably chemical and not thermal

[@Tone_SA]

Hello, for my watch. - There is a blue hue on the crystal, which generally points towards an anti-reflective coating being applied, which causes the blue hue, or red, or green, depending on what the manufacturer does. - This, I cannot confirm. I've accidentally had the buckle laying on the caseback at some points and yet there doesn't seem to be any visible scratches yet. Whereas on certain other mineral crystal watches that I have, there are very noteable scratches all over the crystal. However, you may be right on this as another viewer pointed out that the moonphase master from sugess also had a mineral glass back. But since I cannot check, and the Sugess website and listing states a sapphire glass, I still state that it is. - I don't know much about the processes they run in the factories, however, there is very little info on watchmakers chemically bluing hands instead of heat bluing them. Traditionally, heat bluing is done with an open flame by hand, but from what I know in my own experience is that nowadays, manufacturers can just throw hands into a heater and have it done that way, while if done chemically, either has to be done by hand or through a bath of chemicals, which may affect the cost of the part. But since the hands themselves are most likely not made by sugess, as most Chinese manufacturers do, there is probably a major watch hand and precision parts producing manufacturer that supplies their hands. But all I can say is, it looks much better than those really terrible painted blue hands, and is genuinely comparable to the the blued hands of more expensive manufactures, like Grand Seiko and Breguet.

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