The Best and the Worst Jobs to run Mentor Roulette with in FFXIV Dawntrail! Tier List

[@paz8723]

I never even considered that level 90 extremes can show up in your mentor roulette. Thats actually so evil, only level skippers would do something that crazy

[@JustinK0]

in that case you know the mentor didnt just unsync and solo the boss like arr through stormblood extremes lol.. i wonder how many mentors doing mentor rolo did that just to get the clear and didnt actually learn the fight.

[@sapphicdisastertilda]

Time to queue for them to torment mentors. Behehe.

[@purplefreedom1631]

Level skippers and **queues for golbez** those who enjoy the suffering of others! MWHAHAHA!

[@nekok0snuss223]

@@JustinK0can just talk for me/the mentor friends i know who do the roulette. We know a lot of the extreme fights but you can Forget getting a clear in mentor roulette

[@idgie534]

@@JustinK0 There's something like forty extremes in the roulette; speaking as someone who has cleared all of them synced I don't remember the majority of them beyond one or two standout mechanics, cerainly not well enough to teach them to a random bunch of sprouts who may or may not even speak English. I have literally had to yolo my way through Ultima, Garuda, Ifrit and Titan based on, 'this is just UWU mechanics but easier, right?'. Having cleared the fights synced before doesn't really make a difference unless you do them very regularly or have an excellent memory.

[@arknightsboi2050]

I like these videos far more than the standard raid job tier list. its actually interesting and isnt as readily available so even though it helps a smaller selection of players its a lot more valuable

[@CaetsuChaijiCh]

I'm glad to hear that!

[@tsbulmer]

Another point for Scholar is how effective it can be while you're hurriedly typing an explanation. Recitation-Excogitation, Adloqueum, Embrace...

[@CaetsuChaijiCh]

The ultimate mentor, with the automated healer!

[@jaredvargas5785]

Just 2 notes. Tanks also, in my experience, have by far the highest rate of getting pulled into MSQ roulettes and thus being condemned to Praetorium which does usually push me away from wanting to run them. Also funnily, you mentioned RDM maybe being better if StB extremes were more common, but the one StB EX you are the most likely to get is also the one where Verraise does nothing, in Great Hunt EX :P

[@CaetsuChaijiCh]

You might be right on that with msq roulette. And also true on the great hunt ex 😂 Not only does verraise do nothing, but vercure is kind of useless too there! 🤣

[@CharTangTheBeardedGamer]

Conversely I end up in msq dungeons way more often on healer.

[@PhoenicisEstuans]

I actually find msq roulette being what mentor rolls for me is far more dependent on the time of day than the role, when east coast players are solidly home from work but not likely to be in bed yet to wake up for their 9-5 is when I most often get msq roulette in general Edit: obviously playing on an NA server, in my case specifically primal

[@averageplayers5288]

This is why I dps queue 70% of the time for mentors. If I do end up getting msq roul I don’t feel so bad leaving as a dps and doing something else for 30 min

[@jimdale9143]

An interesting list and something to think about. Thank you. If you compare it with other types of tier lists, such as Palace of the Dead, you get some interesting insights into the various jobs. In low level PotD, for example, the Gunbreaker strength you noted was very evident as it gets it's first self heal, equivalent to Storm's Path, at level 4. Anyway, thank you again for an interesting video!

[@CaetsuChaijiCh]

That is an interesting point! And that does make sense! Thank you for sharing that information with me! 😁

[@fawkes6352]

This is very well-said. Supports are, in many ways, the backbone of any group; it makes much more sense to bring them into mentor roulette than to bring a DPS, since you're in a better position to adjust if you need to carry the team. (Also, DPS queue times are hell.)

[@duncanmacleod6274]

I used to think this before I tried summoner spam. No roles have bad queue times in mentor roulette, because it's mentor roulette. Supports may queue instantly, but they're also vastly more likely to get long dungeons and less likely to get short trials, raids, and especially guildhests. Supports will get 20+ minute dungeons all day, if not frequent Praetoriums. A DPS can get Under The Armor repeatedly from comm farming support players, then a quick M1N or something, maybe a few Alexander raids, etc...

[@ghostie7808]

Man, i randomly discovered your channel and I’m enjoying your content so much. I just started playing XIV last year but I’ve become a battle mentor myself by now and I love doing all kinds of content - hence why I unlocked mentor roulette. Your videos teach me a lot and are also fun just listening to even though I know the information already. Cheers!

[@CaetsuChaijiCh]

I'm glad to hear that! Thank you so much! 😄

[@Taldemarr]

Very interesting take on the classic format! I love tier list videos for the insightful discussion

[@CaetsuChaijiCh]

I'm glad to hear that! 😁

[@Bonzi77]

i think i agree with pretty much all of these except possibly paladin? an aspect of paladin that's often overlooked is the fact that they're just so much naturally passively tankier due to shields, which gives you more survivability just by existing with a shield equipped. even at low levels, i frequently feel like there are some pulls that i can just breeze through without any fear of death, even if my healer is doing a poor job keeping up, because blocking gives them enough breathing room to be able to keep up anyway. i know it's not the most visible or flashy aspect of the job but i'd wanna factor that in for lower levels, and i think it would be enough to maybe juuuuust barely push it into the bottom of a-tier.

[@CaetsuChaijiCh]

Assuming you have an appropriate shield, you have a 30% chance to block 20% damage. This means on average paladin takes 6% less damage from all attacks. The problem is that having zero self healing until 58, and no not clemency healing until 82/84 means while all the other tanks get various tools to catch up to paladins tankiness, paladin does not get the healing it lacks until way too late in the level ranges! 😅 Sometimes you can be lucky and block a few times in a row when you really need it, but it is just 6%, which starts to sound less impressive when the 123 combos from the other tanks tend to heal for around 10% or so of their hp each cycle 🤔😊 I hope that at least brings a bit more of my reasoning to light!

[@Bonzi77]

@@CaetsuChaijiCh at least 10% of my motivation for this comment was to see if my vibes on math of "blocking good" was off lmao ....also you reminding me that paladin doesn't get good healing until level 84 means i need to rewrite something rq lmao

[@Vifts]

@@CaetsuChaijiCh DRK definitely feels stronger than PLD in anything before it gets holy sheltron, especially after the recent buffs. If played well it is still capable of carrying

[@JelisW]

​​​​@@CaetsuChaijiChI would argue that PLD feels better than any of the other tanks in ARR content and a little into HW until WAR gets raw intuition (and stays ahead of DRK/GNB until level 70/68, and overtake them again at level 84), for the simple reason that it is the tank that gets its short cd mit the earliest. Sheltron's flat 15% mit, 2 storable charges, and very short "cooldown" so long as you are within auto-ing range of stuff. In earlier levels where the tanks lack even their invulns, having that extra cooldown can be really nice. Given that a large portion of mentor roulette will consist of (aside from guildhests and ARR extremes) dungeons, I would argue that that extra CD counts for more than the passive heal from the 1-2-3 combo does, because as we all know, it's never the boss fights that are the main problem in dungeons, it's the trash, and you don't do the 1-2-3 in trash. I would also argue that from the perspective of helping to drag a party through to the finish line, Clemency and Cover are more valuable than even a WAR, for the simple reason that Clemency is available on demand for so long as the PLD has mp, and a PLD can very quickly regen mp if drained dry by spamming the 1-2 part of their ST combo. I have managed to save even UCOB runs by turning into discount WHM and helping to stabilize everyone else--including my WAR co-tank getting bustered-- when shit hit the fan and the healers were all out of CDs and desperately hardrezzing people. A WAR can nascent flash one person every 25 seconds. A PLD can fire off 4 clemencies in quick succession and stabilize the party just in time for the next major bit of unavoidable damage. I can solo a whole dungeon on WAR once I have RI, but I can drag the rest of the party kicking and screaming with me on PLD, even when the healer goes down.

[@Rasterizing]

@@CaetsuChaijiCh The thing is, sheltron and bulwark (which you didn't use btw :p) really make up for this - correctly rotating cooldowns and using abilities correctly on a paladin have a massive difference. Whilst there is no self healing at lower levels, you can really mitigate an insane amount of damage. Oh yeah, and once you have cover+hallowed unlocked it's an insane combination

[@shiro12okami69]

Once cover got unlocked PLD is S tier,u don’t need to solo if your Hlr can’t die,did 2000+ mentor roulettes,my easiest runs been on either healers or WAR/PLD level range almost irrelevant ;) But yeah maybe just my opinion don’t know xD

[@CaetsuChaijiCh]

Your opinion is valid though 😂 I feel saving your healer with cover often will simply delay the inevitable in a lot of cases, and in the more common level ranges you see as a tank in Mentor Roulette, paladin is lacking other options that the other tanks may have been able to use to avoid landing in the situation where cover was needed in the first place! But theta of course just my opinion! 😁

[@shiro12okami69]

@@CaetsuChaijiChI mean opinions are always good, it just never rly happened to me having issues as a PLD in mentor roulettes,below cover range. I play PLD since 2.3 ish,and by now I usually think Pld has the most flexibility in saving pulls,either with cover clemency, or just brute forcing it in later level range. Usually have my biggest issues with DRK,I feel rly helpless when I’m DRK, lvl range usually doesn’t matter xD But i think it depends from person to person and how much knowledge and time one invested in each job:)

[@RagnarokiaNG]

An important factor (unless its less of a problem at lower levels) is how easy some jobs are to play and adapt with on the fly, in extremes wacky shenanigans can distract or interrupt things especially if trying to lead the group which could throw off more complex jobs if not good at multitasking (like me, which is why I main WHM / SMN / PLD hehe)

[@misawa8629]

depending on the pull size, Gunbreakers are very hard to kill in ARR dungeons if they switch to single target after gaining aggro. Brutal Shell's passive healing outpaces alot of the damage if you pull only a couple packs.

[@hoodiesticks]

8:33 I don't think I will ever see a better example of levelling jank than MNK sub 60. At those levels, Perfect Balance (the signature move of MNK's entire kit) is a DPS loss on 1.

[@twinklefeet]

A very interesting list. And if the goal is to focus purely on ability to impact a group towards a clear I largely agree. Though for me while it's certainly a factor, the far more important one when doing mentor roulette is that I'm playing a job I want to play at that moment. I'd much rather do an Extreme on a job I'm currently vibing well with even if it doesn't bring much of a chance to be a superhero. For example in other words, I'm far better at playing monk than I am at basically every healer, so for me I'll almost certainly have more impact doing the former rather than the latter. In other-other words, I feel like a job's true Impact is it's Utility crossed with an individual's Engagement with that job, and every queue into mentor roulette is a (sometimes very concious) decision on how that currently lies.

[@formy52]

Good tier list! Though to be honest, really whichever job you can play the best is the one you should play in Mentor Roulette. If you are able to play a really good healer or Rez Mage, cool, but if you're just going to be floundering in these jobs then - for you - sure go VPR.

[@CaetsuChaijiCh]

Also true, but sometimes your skill is somewhat comparable between choices. And then having a second opinion can help! But absolutely, what you're best at might well get you further than choosing an s tier you're bad at! 😅

[@NatiiixLP]

This could also be called the "how impactful do you want to be in your duties?" tier list, as you said in the beginning, or in other words "how confident do you feel about having a high-impact role in a party?". In general, good healers, and sometimes tanks, in low/mid-tier content can save seemingly lost duties. On the flip side, bad healers and tanks can make even low-tier content feel quite daunting due to resource mismanagement, etc.

[@CaetsuChaijiCh]

In a way yeah! I guess the thing that emphasizes the mentor angle is really that the duties that might have to be considered are the ones in Mentor Roulette (Combined with which of those duties are actually likely to appear!)

[@NatiiixLP]

@@CaetsuChaijiCh Yeah, understandably, so I suppose that makes it a bit more biased towards the lower-level experience. However, I feel like a similar way of thinking can apply even for new players, who will be in the same low-level duties. [As a new player] If you choose to be a healer but only press the dreaded Cure 1 over and over, you are sitting in the place of someone who could be carrying the party like crazy. As a DPS, the effect is probably less pronounced.

[@Xorua]

A particularly *glare*-ing point, you say? Anger. Anger, but with a suitable amount of applause.

[@ryskar_]

The thing I've noticed about tanking is just *how much* control you have over group morale; if a healer is new to a dungeon or new to healing, I will do smaller pulls so they can get a feel for it. Typically this causes the dungeon to go smoothly, which means the healer is doing their job. At this point I'll usually say something like, "See? You've got this." This makes the healer more comfortable, and people play much, *much* better when they aren't being yelled at or stressed out. A positive outlook can even turn a wipe into an advantage, because you can tell your party that they did a good job once you do win. Of course this can unfortunately go the other way around. "Why did you let me die?" "Where are my heals?" "If you DPS did your job I would still be alive." etc. These are things that will destroy group morale, lead to more mistakes and end up creating a negative feedback loop. While all these things can apply to all roles and jobs, I noticed that it's much easier to keep morale high when I'm the tank. And if we wipe because the pull was too big or something, all it takes is a "My bad, sorry. We'll get it this time."

[@CaetsuChaijiCh]

100%. I also do the move where if things go sideways, I will just say my bad and carry on, even if you could point the blame at someone else, just leaving it keeps the morale high! 😁

[@NameIess_PIayer]

If a healer is new, my duty as a tank is to sprint away and pull everything while giving them a heart attack by surviving at 1hp. Give them a trial by fire so they start actually using their kit.

[@ryskar_]

@@NameIess_PIayer ngl Holmgang makes me feel like a boss.

[@Kwstr42]

i feel the mentor roulette or maybe a new roulette should be set up where you tell the system which classes you play in what roles, then it would pop roulette based on that, so i could put war, sage and redmage in and it would find a group in need and tell me which role to fill or tell me im going in as sage for this. ive always wanted an inprogress specific roulette like that so if im doing mundane things like leveling gatherers the old fashion way, i can sit in queue in case im needed so people arent sitting around for 20 minutes

[@CaetsuChaijiCh]

Oh I would love something like this too!

[@Rasterizing]

If anyone is ever bored and wants a lol, run a tenacity paladin set for levelling/mentor - the results are pretty hilarious. Remember you'll need tenacity on gear itself because materia doesn't sync down, but grab some tenacity/det pieces and try to have it in every slot. I've managed to hit over 2.2k tenacity (at L100) and it's basically like having rampart up all the time. It does nerf your personal damage, but since you're taking so much less, the healer can DPS more - but that's not really the point, the point is to feel and to be super tanky!

[@Raine-SSR]

I'd politely disagree on SCH over SGE. The low level movement options without Eukrasia sucks but its only between level 2 for SCH and Bio, and level 30 for SGE and Eukrasian Dosis, realistically only 7 instances where it's an issue. In standard content above 45 with Addersgall/Aetherflow for the two healers, I can't realistically see a reason to pick SCH except for preference. At 50 SCH requires more cast times, minor CD management of Aetherflow, semi-delayed casts of Fae abilities, the double edged sword of the Fae's auto target healing all for MAYBE Fey Illumination 10 levels before SGE would get Kerachole. 50-60 SGE is obscenely strong with Kerachole, Ixochole, Zoe and Physis II, functional pure healing and sizable barriers without a crit Adloquium. 60-100 for both classes, SGE is just FAR easier to use. SGE has so many panic button that require little to no foresight, you can go fights easily mitigating, AoE healing, and spot healing, potentially without ever having to use a heal GCD on non EX content. As well as the fact that Haima/Panhaima + Kerachole/Taurochole practically solve most dungeon pulls. 60-100 SCH isn't bad by any means, you can still spot/aoe heal, but you just need a LOT more knowledge of the fight on when you want to place your healing% buffs, Recitation and Deployment. SCH can put out big shields but at the cost at potentially several GCDs worth of prep which you may not be ready for if you're suddenly pulled into healer role-ing an EX. Meanwhile if SGE needs to suddenly heal, you can easily cast Toxicon/Phlegma -> Zoe, Physis -> Eukrasian Prognosis and easily double-weave anything it needs without needing to lose damage on Ruin II or use a swift cast. SGE's ease of use and ability to panic AoE/spot heal with large shields WHILE MOVING is honestly way more universally helpful than SCH.

[@jacobtridef48]

As a GNB I was a little shocked to see it at S tier, but I respect it. Our mits are great. Though I find myself liking War more at low lvls, cuz I’m so used to raiding with GNB at 90/100 so the job feels too empty at low lvls for my brain to enjoy now 💀

[@Toz35s]

Without having watched the video, I like GNB and AST, although I don't main them. 1+2 combo on GNB is very strong in lower level content and AST is in general very chill to play with all the cool downs.

[@idgie534]

As someone who's also run mentor roulette on every job I definitely agree with a lot of your rankings! But I feel like the ability to carry on damage in old extremes in particular can't be understated. I had a (failed) Nidhogg EX as a healer where all the DPS were sprouts and we just could not skip the fairly tricky tower phase even with a ton of echo and no deaths, and it wiped us until we disbanded. When I got the fight again on Samurai, with a second mentor DPS, we never even saw the phase and ended up clearing the fight. Sometimes having someone who can just hit the boss really, really hard is what a party needs!

[@rust454]

Honestly the fact that GNB gets camouflage at level 6 and Aurora at 45 is insane for ARR content. Not to mention its GCD combo healing being on step 2 so if push comes to shove you can self heal quicker than other tanks.

[@tcoren1]

11:40 "with very few niche exceptions" he says, while the background footage showcases the one ARR extreme where white mage is actually good

[@CaetsuChaijiCh]

The one where white mages regen not doing upfront healing is better than aspected benefic 😂 I wish I was sage in that footage personally! 😁 But hey, that is pretty funny though right? 😉

[@GarnetDust24]

I almost exclusively did my 2k mentor roulettes on black mage and other casters and phys range and it was fine. Not defaulting to dungeons as a tank or healer was a nice change.

[@CaetsuChaijiCh]

That's also a valuable part of choosing dps. Personally I find the longer queue times as dps annoying enough that it outweighs the duty variance! 😅

[@HippoJPLauncher]

As a pretty causal player who i think is pretty “average” at the game, i DO feel confident in that I’ve never had to abandon or fail a duty (or ever have like tons of bad wipes in one) so I like to HOPE I’ve avoided making a bad day for any mentors..😅

[@tyler5013]

I prefer joining as SMN or RDM over healer because it means there is an extra source of rezzing in the party. One time I even had to vercure the party through an entire SB dungeon because the healer left at the start and we didn't get a new one until the last boss

[@blackmagekongs2588]

Tanks, healers, smn, and rdm the only jobs to use in mentor roulette.

[@janekgaganek3871]

I disaggree on Mch placement (and to less extent bard and dancer since they have lower self dps). Playing machinist one can definately 'carry' the group if the tank fails to tank. Of course it is a bit of a rare situation and it requires your skill on mch and at least some skill from healer, but you absolutely can kite tank many of low level dungeons. Mch can do it better than the other 2 rphys since it will hold aggro better. I might have told this story before, but i once actually tanked a whole Stone Vigil on machinist, cuz tank was a stanceless, jobstoneless marauder with 'the F debuff'. I just communicated to the healer that i'll be tanking so they should give me kardia, and off we went. I think we only suffered one death, which was me on last boss.

[@CaetsuChaijiCh]

Indeed, kite tanking is a helpful skill at times! However. I'd argue any job can kite tank when needed, and that if your tank is completely unhelpful, the better solution is ultimately to boot them. If they are as ineffective as that marauder, then the better solution, in my mind, would be to either teach the marauder what was wrong, or if not possible, kick them, since they would've failed to do even the bare minimum! 🤔 And I did state that lower ranked jobs sort of imply it requires more team communication indirectly due to being less capable of carrying the group forward on your own! 😊 However admittedly, my tier list isn't the end all be all, but just my opinion, and I suppose some jobs could deserve a different grade than they got, with jobs like machinist and bard maybe being slightly off due to certain preferences I might have 😂

[@Viech54]

Gut feeling is some of the healers will rank really highly on this one. Maybe also tanks. DPS, not sure, rez mage maybe, also summoner. Those can help recover when the healers are struggling on their own -in Under the Armor- With that out of the way, let's watch it.

[@CaetsuChaijiCh]

That's a very good guess out the gate! 😁

[@Viech54]

@@CaetsuChaijiCh Been thinking about what I actually expect of a mentor and what is reasonable a bit lately. There are situations in which a mentor will not be able to do anything or not much. A mentor could be on console and not have a keyboard or not speak the language a player needs. Whether that is English or any language that isn't English. Or it is possible that they did a fight like 10 years ago and don't remember anything. Or too many players struggle to learn a fight before the timer runs out. Or a mentor is not good at teaching. Quite a few of those are not even requirements for becoming a mentor. I'll likely lean towards mentors making an honest effort has to be enough. Whether that is them doing mechanics and nothing else or going out of their way to teach a fight. As long as they try to the best of their abilities, that's good enough. At the end of they day, they are a single player out of up to 24. Hard carrying any type of content is likely not going to work out and an unrealistic expectation towards mentors.

[@Ktjnn]

Queue as DPS in off hours and rake in those free guildhests. I quit for the night when it gives me msq roulette, though. I still haven't gotten a Shadowbringers or EW Extreme, but I've had exactly one Susano during ShB, and one Shinryu during EW (out of almost 1k rouls at this point). They were chock full of mentors and we cleared them handily, even with the usual "just unsync these xd" players in the party.

[@FubukiShiromiya]

I’d also pick ast or sch for mentor roulette despite playing the other two healers in hard content. White mage really does stand out as the weakest healer from low levels I’d say up to around when you get afflatus rapture and have the ability to rapidly heal the party while moving.

[@CaetsuChaijiCh]

Yeah indeed, it takes very long before white mage stands out as a strong choice due to its unique advantages, in terms of levels 🤔😊

[@leoli1589]

White mage is objectively the worst healer in all content other than TEA because of its insane damage at level 80. The advantage of WHM is that it takes much less effort and skill to play at maximum capacity.

[@FubukiShiromiya]

@@leoli1589 I dunno about that; I was pfing for a clear on m4s yesterday as sage and I had an ast cohealer for one group and it was brutal with the high number of deaths, we were both out of resources and ability to quickly heal the group up to full. White mage is the best healer for actually throwing out large amounts of healing and raises in a short time without running completely out of resources. It’s also the best for recovering from a death. Those things may not matter for reclears, but even so it brings good personal dps. Saying its only strength is being the noob-friendly healer is selling it way short.

[@McSkink]

Loved DNC in Mentor because i kept getting Guildhest so Standard step was pretty strong

[@TruckDrivinGamer]

This list really shows the reason you'll wait 2 to 5 times LONGER for Duty Finder as a DPS main. While the Red Badge jobs may be the "popular/cool kid" jobs that everyone wants to play, the Blue and Green badge jobs, while maybe not as flashy, are the ones really putting in the work to actually GET THE F@$%ING DUTY DONE!😅

[@CaetsuChaijiCh]

True, and sometimes, it's also just because a lot of players just enjoy dps more, so it has this strong emphasis you see when queueing 🤣 The worst part of dps mentor queueing for me is precisely the wait time! 😂

[@arcticjedimaster]

highest thing i remember getting was CotI EX, still cleared in 2 pulls XD

[@sayori3448]

Pretty solid list, I think the only thing I disagree with is bard being as high as it is, I don't feel esuna is so useful that it deserves to be in the same tier as an actual support. Esuna's being the dealbreaker on if a group can get through content while it can happen is so rare that I wouldn't put it up that high. I agree with white mages placement too but its definitely not close to the other healers in viability until it at least gets rapture, and maybe temperence.

[@JetEriksen]

OH BOY, LETS GO I HAVE OPINION ON THIS This is a really solid list, and given the terms of this list, is excellent! However, I do have a few comments... Bard: I sort of disagree with the usefulness of the debuff cleanse, not because it isn't useful, but mostly because it doesn't come up often enough for me to consider it two tiers above Dancer despite sharing its weaknesses and having a less good low level damage. Personally, I'd put it in C at most. Summoner: I completely agree with the ranking, HOWEVER, you dare call the physick summoner a wacky gimmick set? Given that you can change what gear you wear mid-duty, I'd consider it genuinely useful to carry around a second gear set that has a lot of mind. In case a healer leaves, or its going *really* bad. Having that as a backup plan you can change to mid duty is a genuinely good thing, and not a gimmick. DRK: I'd originally have put DRK lower together with PLD, but due to recent buffs, and that it has a pretty alright level 50. I suppose you get to live this time. I agree. WHM: Oh poor White Mage... I just want to lament just how bad it feels to play WHM at lower levels, and it makes me so sad that WHM is robbed of anything good until you get Afflatus Rapture at level 7x. Agree with the ranking. DRG: You hit the nail right on here, however I do also want to mention that they get the second part of their aoe that also gives their damage buff after level 60. This feels awful and makes me sad. Ranged DPS: One big advantage of all the ranged DPS is that they all get to attack on the move, this is great in dungeons, especially early, since it allows you to weaken the group (and build meter on MCH). This weakened half dying a bit earlier means there's less total damage to tank, and that's pretty neat. Solid as heck list, approved by me, as someone that has their 2000 mentor runs.

[@CaetsuChaijiCh]

Oh yes I recall you have your whole own tier list 😂

[@DelSolstice]

Counterpoint on Dragoon being worse than Viper: Maiming jobs have about a 5% passive physical defense and a little more HP than other physical DPS, making them a little more survivable. Battle Lit also is a 5-6% damage buff to the whole group in theory (a little less in lower levels but still). Finally Life Surge means it has at least one extra heal every 40 seconds. In short, compared to Viper it's more survivable, and at higher levels I believe it has more rDPS. So I would argue that it is in E-tier. I am biased though. And yes SE should be handing out AoEs to all DPS by level 20 in my opinion.

[@CaetsuChaijiCh]

Life surge is used for damage in nearly all situations meaning it commonly results in the healing going to waste, hence it is typically not viewed as a defensive option at all. Yes you can technically hold it for healing but then you lose damage. Battle litany is a major contributor to the rdps of dragoon, and in this tier list, I assume relying on party buffs for your overall damage is a downside rather than an upside as you have to assume many of your parties will be... Less good, which means under such constraints, battle litany isn't as good as it sounds. And yes viper greater advantage is simply that it is stronger at and below level 50. Perhaps dragoon deserves to be E, but I don't think these factors specifically make that happen 🤔 The physical defense argument is more interesting to me though, but I don't feel it on its own is enough. I feel doomspike coming in as late as it does is too painful in contrast 😅 However with all that said, if you play dragoon more frequently, YOU will probably do better with dragoon than viper. An important aspect when looking at statistical rankings and tier lists and what not, that your personal best job will probably still be what you so best with, and maybe you can make dragoon do a lot better than I can. Who's to say 😊

[@Brahmsonite]

Strictly hypothetically, of course, if BLU were eligible, how would you rate the different roles it can Mimic?

[@CaetsuChaijiCh]

Considering they have the strongest defensive cooldown (diamondback), all three have strong party heals (like white wind) and all three have a ress, not to mention options like rams voice and vibe check in dungeons, I would probably put them all in S tier, if I didn't invent an S+ tier just for them 🤣

[@lucalopez9604]

it makes me so sad RDM lacks a rez for so long. I find it such a fun job and theres no feeling like rezing most of the party in quick succession to save the run (and not get any comms) but because of its high level to get rez you so rarely get to enjoy such chaos :(

[@CaetsuChaijiCh]

Yeah if it had been just ten levels sooner it would at least be most content after arr, that would already help so much!

[@CharTangTheBeardedGamer]

I usually do it on healer almost exclusively simply for the insta pops, rarely have a queue on tank, never more than a minute dps though often have a 5 minute+ wait queuing for mentor roulettes in my experience so if your goal is getting in there quick go as healer. The highest extreme I've ever gotten is Hades and that was a ruddy good time but more often than not its Shiva EX which is quite fun on healer 🤓😆

[@idaret.]

I think I agree with all placements except bard, I think you extremely overvalue TWP, I went through all my notes for mentor roulette runs and only found two runs of rathalos ex where I complained about healer not using esuna which basically killed one run and really complicated another run(I actually taught this scholar for 20 minutes after duty, actually being mentor). Beside this, I don't think I would ever want change from MCH to BRD. Bard can't burst Chirada in Garuda ex which is nice trick if offtank is sleeping.There's also issue with stacking songs, bard is pretty popular class at low level after all. I would put Bard in C or even D+.

[@CaetsuChaijiCh]

That's a fair point. I've frequently found twp helpful whenever I've been bard, but in fairness, when I do a set as bard I'm also trying to make the most of it, so I might be actively looking for it more. I also recognize that for bard to rank that high with a similar downside as dancer, and lacking the upside machinist has, i might be overvaluing it 😅😊

[@megaassassin9408]

i feel paladin is a tad under ranked, having your spammable mit the earliest out of all the tanks and getting cover + clemancy can save otherwise doomed runs

[@lunarsuperstar]

For WHM, isn't it the only ehaler that their "specialty"can stack with another one of the same job? like stacking Medica2s, AST, SGE and SCH all having overwritting effects (IF they overwritte, like shields). To me, this would put WHM higher, as it is one of the most popular healers, especially for beginners...

[@CaetsuChaijiCh]

Astrologians aspected helios and aspected benefic also stacks with themselves 😊 It's not a unique feature to have these effects stack as whm. It's a unique weakness of spell barriers from sch and sge that they don't stack. Besides, this tier list assumes you kinda know what you're doing, so whm being more beginner friendly is not relevant for the tier 😊 and popularity isn't a factor either!

[@Gralysin]

i would argue that scholars fairy heals are randomly healing any teammate that have chip dmg that doesnt really matter while sages kardia heals the tank who needs it the most in many situations. while sage cant heal via kardia on the move in low level dungeons, neither does the fairy as its stuck in narnia following the group in rp walk speed

[@CaetsuChaijiCh]

That's a fair point. I don't have this experience unless a dps or something takes a ton of damage so they have less % hp than the tank, in which case, that can be annoying

[@Dunker401]

I feel ninja should be higher since ninja does get his mug at extremely low level so he can be able to provide the team more damage with a solid foundation

[@idaret.]

I think you got everything wrong here, the assumption here is that team is really bad so team buffs are worse than higher damage coming from selfish jobs

[@JustinK0]

when the team is dying a lot causing someone to leave, (allowing you to join) having more damage isnt likely going to fix that,

[@Dunker401]

You know what all valid responses makes sense

[@brysonhunter3703]

it's still so much of a bummer to me as a BLM main that Pictomancer's personal damage output is so monstrous. Picto is a cool and interesting job, but as someone who really loves playing Explosions Wizard it's saddening that there's another job in the SAME ROLE that has more mobility, more burst damage, fewer explosions, a partywide shield, and a raid buff. Picto's personal damage should be on par with the raid-buff-having melees like Ninja, in the same way the selfish DPS BLM and SAM are about even with each other.

[@Hoooound]

1:24 I’m calling it, RDM is at S tier

[@Hoooound]

B?!?!

[@CaetsuChaijiCh]

@Hoooound as I said, would've been amazing if it had access to ress in a bigger percentage of the duties you'll meet! 😅

[@pikaluz454]

Honestly I kinda disagree with machinist C, bard B, I don't think the esuna it's as helpful on average as double mitigation and selfish damage can be duty finder, like yeah it's funny when it does, but a good machinist in a mediocre party it's just gonna bring more to the table than a bard in the same conditions. Kinda part of the reason why machinist it's considered the best phys ranged in party finder because of the nature of being a selfish DPS that can fix mitigation issues on it's own.

[@CaetsuChaijiCh]

Remember that my assessment also originates from the assumption that the more common duty level range is below the level range where machinist has even *one* mitigation 😊😅 But fair point that perhaps I overestimated bard and underestimated machinist 🤔

[@MiddieTheFish]

Paladin’s in B for “Best Tank”, right? Right??? 😂

[@GreensvilleCh]

What is this my Dragoon is F tier (sad dragoon noises). Never done mentor yet, thought about it a few time.

[@CaetsuChaijiCh]

Unfortunately not much utility to be had 😰😅

[@xierotron]

Warrior S, Dark Knight F tier every other job in between wherever

[@furo822]

Sage is SS tier. Instant casts and heals from sage save sprout a lot and it is very braindead to play in dungeons.

[@TheDool]

I disagree with pld and drk. Drk lacks in self mit and doesnt have much self heal either in low levels. Paladin gives your healer much more space and less damagespikes to react to being low. I think paladin at least deserves a tier.

[@truonggiangngo6512]

I love WAR; me smash!

[@iantaakalla8180]

I love how Black Mage is just redundant with Pictomancer at this point, and is worst Pictomancer unless you are very good and need to dance around with no breaks.