THE BEST (and worst) cEDH DECKS OF THE SUMMER

[@Kelthulu89]

Came for the MTG content, stayed for the discussion on how summer/fall works

[@Kelthulu89]

I hope you two have a good tournament this(?) weekend(?) still confused on your timelines with the future and past.

[@jackbuggeln4870]

Not to be so comparative but the reason I love you guys so much is how short your intro is. I don't want to see 3 minutes of title cards and ads before every goddamn episode, I wanna hear MTG talk! You guys rule :)

[@japplek]

This is one of the only channels that feels like it respects my time.

[@Tryc3]

Day 1 of asking Cam what hair conditioner he uses

[@TylerYoutubeGamingChannel]

Redken enjoyer prehaps?

[@liquidxan6698]

Maybe a garnier fructis, on the dome

[@bretts3046]

Mane and Tail.

[@Ktjnn]

Timotei

[@CromwellMTG]

Its just his natural sheen 😂

[@GreyeHazel]

For the Emiel Ertai discussion, Emiel's second ability by itself creates a trigger every time Ertai enters that you can counter, you don't need to hold priority and activate emiel a billion times.

[@allenjones5731]

Hey guys!! Just wanted to say i love the content. You started cEDH for me and really helped me out. I started playing magic in feb. of this year and i won my first tournament this past weekend! Got a tropical island! SO thanks for the content.

[@biskitboi2476]

Congrats bro! Helluva prize

[@ryantomczak2248]

Fellow Malcolm / Vial Smasher player here. I made top four of my first tournament. Going to my second tournament the end of August. Hoping for the win. As far as the build, I have been off Ad Nauseam for awhile now because of the reason Dylan mentioned with Codie. I replaced it with Hoarding Broodlord which has been great in the deck. It is another tutor target for Magda and will usually win the game for me. The 8 mana is rough, but I also have a nice reanimation package for it. Works great as an Intuition target as well.

[@justusnation66]

Have you tested Lively Dirge? Entomb and reanimate Glinthorn in one card

[@ryantomczak2248]

@@justusnation66 I have not. I will consider it, thank you for the suggestion.

[@ElliotButch23]

Cam saying "it really has been nadu's summer" just reinforces my coining the term of hot bird summer

[@tricky8562]

Hey guys love your channel just wanted to point out as a Rog/Thras pilot that the deck is running cloudstone curio and cloud of faeries so you just go infinite with Rog and the faerie on your cradle making the sowing mycospawn really good on top of the other utility it has!

[@joshuaalt9448]

Came back to MtG after a seven year hiatus from the days of flash/hulk. This channel sends me! Love the energy and real player talk as I try to get into cEDH. Thank you for such amazing content!

[@pablowarcraft]

Statistics won't make me stop playing Etali. Dinos go brrrrrr lesgooo

[@Highwang]

Tivit is kinda tragic since unlike everyone else he didn’t get any new tools to help him keep pace. He’s still on his old bag of tricks while everyone else is evolving and seeing through his only trick. I’m still gonna hold the line though. Lately WAR Tezzeret is a pet card of mine that is great for putting a clock on the game

[@bend5963]

Tivit has so many wincons, hence more than “1 trick”

[@fridolinrinke9099]

new to tivit, but which one is WAR Tezzeret? Betrayer of Flesh?

[@DanCzarnecki-sq9bk]

​@@fridolinrinke9099master of the bridge is the WAR Tezz. The one who gives affinity to your walkers and creatures.

[@boredindividual]

Tivit in my mind is still a top 10 deck. Has the best win con (thoracle) and infinite turns that allows you to usually determine who is 2nd-4th in a game. Card quality is pretty high in the deck so it's hard for it get flashy new toys. Mocking bird and trouble in pairs are the only new cards that stick out in my mind

[@fridolinrinke9099]

awesome tech! will def try that out

[@ZolanKid]

Hey guys! I just got around to watching this episode, but I'm the Vial/Thras pilot out of Colorado! I appreciate the kind words about the list, it's been my baby for a long time. I think the deck is very good in a grindy meta game, and it has so much ability to pivot into different constructions to combat different meta games. My list isn't perfect yet, and I've since then cut the Valley Floodcaller. There's always room to improve. Thanks for the content y'all!

[@brendans1983]

Sitting here in Australia, freezing cold with an absolute killer, end-of-Winter storm raging outside... while you guys are exposing your arms and talking about the end of Summer. You boys making me jelly.

[@SylveonSimp]

that slanted rotation axis surely creates some incredible experiences.

[@keithrnchandler]

Dylan's attitude on playing against Nadu, or any other high powered deck, ought to be the attitude that all players have to all games. Interact, be a part of stuff, etc etc. Great attitudes like this are what make the game great.

[@Houdini1138]

No go on Eladamri for Sisay Dylan. You want to tutor with her. Also point of note, Eladamri is only on YOUR turn. Not at instant speed. Side note - checkout Honest Rutstein in Sisay. Nothing feels better than neoforming your dockside to rutstein, bring back dockside and cast for 1. Gain 2 pips for Sisay, reduce cost for all creature and get more treasures.

[@EspenOset]

On Sowing Mycospawn. It's 4 mana, sure. But it's not a card you "tap out for" at 4 mana. Because of rog etc you are usually getting cradle untapped, and it taps for at least 3 right away, and often it's actually a ritual

[@nikitabalinskij542]

Would you guys be able to do a chatterfang squirrel general deck build video? I feel like chatterfang has gotten plenty of good additions and support cards in the recent years and could be a fun golgari cedh deck but I just don’t see enough people discuss it’s potential anywhere. The same way you discussed Francisco as a cedh commander would be great for chatterfang I feel :) love your videos always 😁😁

[@fluffylord2742]

I’ve gotta say, in the U.K. the deck I think we’ve all seen winning more than anything is Sisay, I think atleast half of our tournaments have been dominated by sisay players

[@voidwalkerMTG]

I will say for grixis Malcolm, necrodominance is sweet and lively dirge does a good finale of devastation impression. We get to play pollywog prodigy and valley floodcaller as well. The niv mizzet builds are basically just using old tech

[@necrosisofphilosophy5247]

Currently piloting Grist the hunger tide, though its sorcery speed wins other than necromancy it has been very fun playing her. And having people ask "does anyone here know golgari combo lines?" Its main advantage is the unfamiliar play patterns that I take for the win.

[@charlietrendall3379]

My favorite moment is Dylan saying he doesn't know much and Cam just nodding and saying "yeah I agree" 😂

[@BudgetPubStomper-lr7nh]

I’ve been saying for a long time now that Sylvan Scrying would be great for Kinnan (and now Thrass Roger). In Kinnan you can get; Cradle, treasure vault, minamu, or Homeward path (but more traditional cards can already do that) but you are also able to grab Boseju or ottawara and use their channel abilities. I guess sometimes you won’t want; a bounce spell, to remove a permanent, a way to use Chimera or get your Kinnan back, a way to win by washing your colorless mana, a way to break the one ring, or a huge mana boost from cradle?🤔🤔🤔🤔 I honestly doubt that. Thoughts?

[@BrashM]

Magda is insane in the right hands 🥰 may be a little biased 😂

[@stefanentzeroth9027]

sowingh mycospawn has been amazing for me, uncounterable cradle into play, for the cradle decks is very pwoerful

[@hatebears]

Rog/Thras player here: Cradle is insane in this deck and there a couple of loops with it (e.g. Eternal Witness + Snap + Cradle) ;)

[@IronWarrior-117]

Cloud of Faeries and Cloudstone Curio can also combo with Cradle.

[@davidreeves4165]

If you have to qualify yourself before the statement "Xxx/xxx player here" in an attempt to sound like some sort of expert.... at least state something profound that isn't common knowledge amongst everybody that's ever played. Otherwise, it's cringey

[@nathantidore1096]

Really glad to see vial smasher doing so well this summer! As a Vial/Thras player I only see the use of sacking vial smasher to eldritch evolution for seedborn muse. It would be sick if another rakdos partner option came out though. Keep up the great content!

[@ToxicRose369]

I would love to see you guys do a video teching Breya, Etherium Shaper for the cEDH format. I have been searching for ideas and thoughts for me building her.

[@heirkaiba]

Sisay is my favorite deck. Reminds of my Amulet Titan deck it’s just a toolbox deck.

[@thatdude8114]

The experience shared here is unreal. Catching up a years worth of games into such a short episode. Its a goldmine in here!!!

[@nathanmccaffrey6239]

Yuriko getting to play cursed totem and null rod and graft diggers cage makes her super good to

[@christianroberts1121]

Long time Malcolm Kediss player here. The deck is iffy, but when i get 2 attacks with both commanders, i feel unbeatable. Treasures go crazy

[@BudgetPubStomper-lr7nh]

These numbers bounce around and are so inconsistent and I would even say “consistently inconsistent”. I have a theory. There are sooo many decks to chose from and so few really good players that trying to separate the pilots from the decks and track the deck performance “in a vacuum” is just about impossible. “These decks are really good right now” is approximately the statement “the best players are playing these decks right now.” Two other points) 1) tracking by conversion rate puts way too much noise into the Signal to Noise ratio. A top 16 in a 35 player tourney gets as much weight as a top 16 at a 135 player tourney. It’s gonna take an enormous sample size for that stat to “converge”. (Meet it’s actual expected value) 2) the delta between a good player and a great player is a greater gulf than the delta between a good deck and a great deck. Here’s what I would do. Track the win to loss ratios of all the decks. Even win % gets noisy because of the draws and esp the ID’s. But the ratio between the games played to a win and played to a draw (while still noisy) would converge way faster than the conversion rate. Eventually you could maybe see what the tourney win % (w each deck taken as a % of the field) is. But that may not work because new tech, new commanders, and meta shifts will always scramble the signal before we can get a good look at it. I love that it’s like this. CEdh won’t be getting “solved” anytime soon. And that’s a good thing 👍

[@Shank40]

Hey guys, as a newbie CEDH player (no actual games, still working on a deck) what are your thoughts on those cards that counter spells if no mana was spent?

[@AstroEV]

the top 4 krark/sakashima player plays at my locals and pinnacle monk played as a creature not a land has killed me with combat damage at least 2 different times. the card is a backup win condition if ur combo runs out of fuel

[@EpicWin1337]

When talking about Thrasios Vial smash you brought out dockside Cthonian nightmare loops not working but, they don't for a different reason since you are only casting Cthonian Nightmare to reanimate and loop dockside + 1 other creature its not that dockside is a creature its that cthonian can only be activated at sorcery speed. It would work with Recurring Nightmare if that wasn't banned.

[@GranatappleLPT]

Just passed the discussion on changing numbers dependant on what certain players choose to register and i have to say, I'd love to see you cover a couple of pilots in a video

[@jaysuede2627]

Four mana for a Gaea's Cradle that can only be Stifled. Sowing Mycosynth is good.

[@emerson685]

9:40 - the way you said, “love Fire Covenant right now” gave me big “Hansel, so hot right now” vibes. Thanks for keeping us in the loop Mugatu!

[@XxermandxX]

Still waiting for a new card or more cards that will make my Gitrog a top deck again🥹

[@semi-decent1844]

I know it's 4 mana but what do you think of lethal vapors

[@al8188]

I wouldn't be sad to see Nadu go. With that said, I think a lot of the general sentiment around the card has definitely been poisoned by cross-pollination from modern, WotC's handling of the B&R, and Modern Horizons as a product line's obvious intentional power creep. Combine that with the RC's increasing visibility WRT confusion about their role and purpose, as well as banlist philosophy, and you've got a nasty spotlight on the deck. If you removed the overall stench the bird has on it from all those other factors people would likely be more ambivalent towards it. Manual storm is a rare treat we don't often get to indulge in, but that is already kind of touchy because of how it can monopolize table time, and all those other factors are certainly not helping its popularity, power level and play patterns aside.

[@thiagoanbonfim]

40:35 on my Sisay list I use venser as an alternative. You can bouce all permanents and then you can access Sisay

[@apd5084]

are you guys going to be at Cloud City on Sunday after the event? thinking about stopping by

[@PlaytoWinMTG]

Yes!

[@Schmino]

Dylan, Drannith Magistrate is your spirit Halloween costume this year. Cam can be young Kenrith. Maybe a Halloween special episode?

[@d22d223]

I love listening to dirty dom and liv Morgan talk magic

[@KungfufightU]

Would love to have Tyler's opinion on this too! Will he be joining future podcasts when he's available?

[@davidchapman7350]

Regarding kindred / creature type decks, Edward Kenway is pretty good for pirates!

[@7thCircleHobbies]

Sowing mycosynth in kinnan also gets you treasure vault.

[@falkos.2131]

Do u guys think Nadu can be slotted in something like Kenrith?

[@hunterstrong3318]

Nadu even at casual level can be a problem. I dont see it played, but in any simic inclusive aura or equip deck makes use of it a ton. Was an auto include in my buddies ivy deck.

[@rileypowell5354]

I'll throw my Tovolar list in the pile for kindred decks in cedh. I managed to dub a local tournament with him

[@BarrenIamninja]

As a Derevi pilot, Nadu is a Broken card just within the 99.

[@mike-fb4fw]

entering my first edh tournament at the end of this month im gonna play Winota

[@AodinValar]

Derevi secret nadu and turbo is insane right now. Hareruya god of commander had like half the top 12 using nadu in some form when I went lmao

[@diegorezi5760]

As a magda player, im comcerned as people are spending tons of removals to stop magda, but forgeting about another decks on the table. The last 3 times I played with magda I was stopped with removals and even a FOW over magda on turn 2...so yes, she is performing badly maybe, as they said

[@PhoenixRNH]

If you throw 4 more Thrasios/Vial Smasher decks in that don't make T16 to get 30, it's still 10/30 which is 33.3% conversion rate

[@lukecolley735]

It's simple. Dylan and Cam make a video, I will watch said video 😂

[@timothykrzywonski]

I don't think conversion rate is a good statistic. The difference in representation in top cut vs entry is good and similar, but not the same. If we reran pro tour nadu, 100% of people should be on it, but a couple might hard target it and sneak into top cut. Nadu can't have a good conversion rate if everyone is playing it, but it's definitely the best deck. EDIT: you're kind of bias towards less popular decks. Plus difference in percent population lets you index across each stage of tournaments. Like comparing wins from different decks.

[@SamuelKyle-p3d]

I'm seeing a conversion rate of 21.15% on Rog/Thras since June 1st, guess the pilots just needed one last week. Glad to see the deck have a good summer

[@SamuelKyle-p3d]

Also, keep an eye out for a Zur Winter. The deck feels purpose built to take down tournaments. It has achieved a critical mass of flash enablers in order to win at turns, at instant speed, on top of everyone else. They are in some of the best colors to ensure that the game either progresses to turns while also being able to threaten wins pretty reliably as early as turn 3. Zur even has that new Ranger Captain line you guys mentioned w/ Yuriko. There are next to zero entries on the site, but of the 11 entries since June 1st, the 2 that included Valley Floodcaller converted & 7 of the 9 decks w/o a critical mass of flash enablers didn't. There was someone at your event that ran it back with Zur and ranked 41st with it, but didn't run Floodcaller. Interestingly, they are the only western player to top 16 this summer w/o Valley Floodcaller & did it at the Bufftown Bullies event. (The other being a player from Shanghai and I don't know enough about their meta to be confidant in a comparison). I believe in Zurpremecy, do you?

[@noahgonzalez203]

Do they have a video of their favorite cedh decks

[@softyymaru4435]

#1 cEDH CHANNEL!!!

[@OVI_Games]

I’ve been watching the podcasts for a while now, and just realized that someone’s reading peak Rest in peace kentaro Miura

[@brandonmoss1904]

What happened to armix Kraum?

[@nzephier]

It's been power crept, but i still love general tazri

[@kstandish42]

Dylan said he saw Spirit Halloween’s and was like FUCK IT it’s basically 2025 😂

[@xxthevampirate]

Magda has gotten a lot of hate because things good against nadu is good against her too

[@baconsir1159]

16:50 - Did he miss the "Improvise"?

[@profozpin227]

It's still 5 mana a lot of the time because a vast majority of artifacts in cedh tap for mana or need to tap for other reasons. So even though the improvise line is nice it doesn't tend to change anything.

[@baconsir1159]

@@profozpin227 This is in reference to playing it in Magda, which has tons of artifacts to improvise. Treasures, artifact dwarves, stax pieces, vehicles, etc. I’ve very rarely payed more than 2, with 1 being the norm.

[@mitchellellison6023]

I can't wait until Dylan finds out about New England Clam Chowder.

[@WoodyIVv]

Finally..... I've just noticed Dylan's mic is the right way up.

[@HunterLikesSoda]

Can and Dylan made my summer so much better tbh

[@edhsenpai]

Interesting that magda has no real wins? Friend of mine has 1 tournament win on topdeck and top 16 3 times last 2 months. What's the requirement?

[@dustinmartin648]

Haldan and Pako still fun as ever! 🤙🏽

[@hellproof2379]

Nadu with nomads in the 99 is stronger than nadu as the commander. If they get it on board you’re cooked.

[@usami4815]

will nadu get banned in edh?

[@sideshowwillie3978]

Day 1 of asking to play Sharpie cedh, imagine Magda saying “Sacrifice treasure: search your library for a card and put it onto the battlefield.”

[@SuperF16-h4r]

I hAvE LigHtNiNG bOLt oN tHE BatTlEfIeld

[@richardsapingo1828]

Hell no..sharpie decks are a stupid fad just like dandan.

[@Meh-vf3dt]

Sharpie magic needs to go away already

[@jootsfuneral8316]

@@richardsapingo1828Except Dandan is kinda funny

[@wyattmaniscalco3090]

Magic: the Gimmicking

[@bigsil9922]

January, June, July there's 26 letters in the alphabet and they use I's little brother 3 times! English is a wild language.

[@angelodegiule1753]

Used to only be 2. But some stuffy Roman wanted 2 months named after him

[@Facter-di3cm]

"no counter spells" "Tibalts trickery has left the chat"

[@Facter-di3cm]

What do I have to do to play CEDH with you guys 🤣

[@markkarlo4869]

From here on, Kinnan will now be dubbed Kevin...

[@monomanamaniac]

Can't wait for another update due to the current meta

[@Vrir16]

Dylan, wear more sleeveless shirts please.

[@DabbleDo]

I want ob nixilis to be better, but exiling your win conditions when you can’t cast them is pain

[@markshephard909]

I'm sure somebody has said this but you don't pour over data, you pore over data. Like the pioneer twiddle mainstay "pore over the pages"

[@BenDonaldson-w5l]

It's funny how "the worst decks of summer" are still the some of the best decks in the format

[@Justjoey17]

Oh everybody knows about the bird, bird bird bird, bird is the word

[@legoman2371]

THRASIOS VIAL LETS GO!!!!!

[@EthanHunt-p1t]

Probably a hot take but Raffine is a better esper deck than tivit

[@Emzye2217]

Krark, the thumbless

[@aidenwalsh4320]

Id loop mycosynth in yisan loops. 😂

[@mgmed0368]

With rog thras idk what version your looking at but it wins by looping lightning bolt with endurance and a way too pull endurance out of the gravyard that's a sorcery or obviously finale also its a huge Gia cradle deck so sowing mycsyntn is a easy way too get it that's hard to interact with and can be mana positive sometimes also earth craft can go infnite with rograkh cloustone curio and a 1 mana creature or cloud of faries plus just turing your commanders into mana rocks is nice

[@CharlotteMimic]

Negative content DOES get clicks. Thank you for including (and worst) so that I click and enjoy podcast

[@BudgetPubStomper-lr7nh]

Omg! I just texted out a thesis on why you can’t tease out good data on cedh decks. Then I hit play and listened to you guys hit two of my three points. Lol. Great video guys👍

[@MrWader76]

Day one of asking for the total number of tattoos Dylan has. 😂

[@galsaig2320]

Earscarf is riel good in cedh won you eve 2 chip no atk comnder bicoz is can net 2 mini may kaet free spell and if you land like gayacretal you can mana for che crecher for che creach you control

[@Daruwuin]

my favorite magic gay couple

[@fluffylord2742]

With valley floodcaller you can loop chthonian nightmare and dockside, you never cast the dockside, only the chthonian nightmare

[@TripsAhoy]

❤❤❤

[@jaredremedies8730]

i feel like cedh without free counterspells just isnt it

[@Vuietnam]

pog

[@theycallmelittletoe]

I’m a vial smasher thrasios player, i play a worldgorger dragon build. By far not my fastest deck. But… Vial smasher is such a good eldritch evolution / neoform target, he can be turned into displacer kitten, vile entomber, and seedborn.

[@Temzilla2]

3:02 yeah, the RC was never going to ban the bird this fast. It's just not a card that screams "this will be banned" based on it's card alone, so the context of it being played heavily, having negative play patterns in actual play etc. was the only thing that would get it banned, and that hasn't had enough time to be made known imo.