The Best Beat Juggling app ever made is NOT for sale | haQ attaQ

[@JakobHaq]

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[@Hill_Of_Silence_11]

How can anyone support you?

[@JakobHaq]

@@Hill_Of_Silence_11 Um, you’ll have to ask others. I don’t know what makes people support me. I suppose because they want to? 😅😅

[@camofpv]

Hopefully Marek Bereza (Koala sampler) watches this and adds triggering quantisation and background loop and… well maybe he just makes Koala Juggler for us. Would love to see it. It surely be amazing like Koala is.

[@sexpen]

We need this to happen 🤘🏼✨

[@arifmemovic3383]

You can already juggle in Koala if you take the time to set things up.

[@mazbox]

Ok ok, I’ll think about it. I got the timestretch, I got the fx, I just got a mountain of koala bugs to fix first!

[@JakobHaq]

👊😂 You know I love Koala bro! 💋

[@funksmaname]

@@JakobHaq kzbin.info/www/bejne/o6KVe5uEl6-NsLc

[@midnightpretenders5749]

You sorted it yet?? 😁😁

[@mazbox]

@@midnightpretenders5749 keep nagging me. I made a prototype but things got in the way

[@midnightpretenders5749]

@@mazbox ok, I'll stick it in the diary! You heard everyone! Start nagging!! 😬

[@OrafuDa]

I am totally with you: there needs to be an app just like Amen Break Generator that makes beat juggling simple and straightforward. Sure, maybe it is possible to patch something similar up with existing AUv3s. But it is more complicated than it needs be. Beat juggling is something that I want to be able to start quickly, whenever the buzz is there. Any self-patched solution does not offer that. Especially when you want to add that to any other project, you have to patch that into the new project too. (AUM helps with loading channels from other projects. But that is still fiddling around.) I think you got it just right, we need an app with the core functionality as it is in ABG, plus the essential upgrades. Also, love the outro music at 12:32. And it looks like fun to make. :)

[@JakobHaq]

I feel exactly like that. I just need it to bee straightforward and quick to setup. Even if I patch something up with multiple apps and some magic midi trickery, it’s still a huge chore to switch out the sample/loops for instance. I hope we get a new amenbreak generator soon. PS! I’m happy you like the intro music. Thank the full video is right here: kzbin.info/www/bejne/aXmpZ4Cjrb9pd5Y I basically recorded each Instrument by itself and added all the videos together. 😅

[@chiefbucknell]

Kymatica Sector comes to mind (includes the Amen Break in its factory library), but I am glad I still have Amen Break Generator on some old devices. Convenience = less barrier to creativity!

[@Boback111]

Still have AmenBreak on older Air2 but doesn’t open for the reasons mentioned. In the meantime I highly recommend Segments for some of the missing functionality like thru-play and reverse in tandem, can work just as you described triggering the pads in order but reversed after hitting any pad. You do have to individually hit the rev button for each sample but you can hit the ‘all’ modifier and just hit it once for any of the functions. Has time-stretch and pitch shift, choke groups, attack and release controls, one-shot, gate, link, thru, loop, and ping-pong loop options for the pads, mono and poly modes, auto transient detection for slicing, built in FX, can play each pad chromatically across a keyboard like 16 levels on an mpc, and accurate built in key detection.

[@a_nick_t]

“Intuitive, straightforward, and fun to work with”. EXACTLY! That’s what I want out of all of my iOS music apps! Thanks Jakob! 😎👍🏼

[@JakobHaq]

My pleasure! 👊

[@Hill_Of_Silence_11]

Thank you Jakob: we all should put up a survey asking the developer to update this fantastic app!!!

[@JakobHaq]

I tried contacting the dev directly but I haven’t received any reply yet. 😅

[@chebtamer]

Your videos will never be obsolete ❤ Thanks you 🙏🏼👏🏼👏🏼

[@3rdPersonProductions]

Glad you brought this one up from the past Jakob. We’re hoping it returns too!

[@colinbeauche]

These are features djs use intuitively. DJay Pro AI app has all these features and more. It even allows for an auv3 realtime effect processing app experience to be applied to the master out signal and I've been lucky to find some of the coolest out there from watching this channel. I use DJay Pro and Koala simultaneously on the same midi controller. I've been using WOOOT set to 'retroactive drums' within Djay Pro AI applied to master out. Now I'm loving the sound of Chow tape model set to default! I'm an iPhone Dj and I've already applied so much of the knowledge I've learnt right here! Thanks very much Jakob bless 🙏🏾

[@colinbeauche]

Djay Pro is a DAW of sorts

[@JakobHaq]

Thank you for the tip! I’ll definitely have a look at it!

[@krazywabbit]

"you can always practice and get perfect!" "yeah, I know. I just won't" Best comeback line of the decade!

[@JakobHaq]

😂😅

[@walrtbstudios5430]

I’m sorry I missed this, because I’ll never have it now. However, I have Alchemy on an old iPad Mini, and I know that there’s a lot of people would love to have that. Can’t have everything- where would I put it?

[@slymega28]

Jakob you got the Flava. thanks for the heads up on beatsufing apps 🔥🔥🔥

[@iampaul9poetry]

Yes, Jakob! Soldier for the cause. I’ve only been in the iPad music making scene since December last year, so I hadn’t come across Amen Break Generator. Now that I have, I hope you succeed in inspiring someone to bring it back. It’s a perfect little Amen machine, and I’d love to own it 🍻

[@Eight-Bit-Hustler]

Since you’re on this topic a (global) transpose or “pitch” setting and beat repeat or “freeze” inside of Koala sampler would be an awesome update! Making it pretty much do most the the things on this list minus the note quantize and looping feature… I wonder if setting pad one to loop, or a separate choke group could somehow help matters? This would basically function like the SP404 vinyl and tape simulator does. By adding some static or noise to a pad and just using a Wow and Flutter MFX to achieve the very sought after sound inside the SP404’s (to an extent!)

[@iosmusicman]

I always feel saddened when developers discontinue their work and either don’t seek out help to support their projects or offer them up as opensource such that others may pick them up and add value. Software recycling is what we need more of. Thanks for the video Jakob. Cheers. Lee

[@JakobHaq]

“Software recycling” I love that!

[@dizzydavid1440]

I 1000000000% (A Billion %) Agree someone please bring this app

[@surrealchemist]

You can call the new app Haq My Beat Up

[@arifmemovic3383]

An easy workaround in Koala would be to create multiple copies of a looped break you want and to adjust the start points according to taste. Then you can just use the pattern sequencer in Koala to beat juggle. Yeah, it would take some work to set up, but figuring out how to make an instrument do what you want is what separates a musician from a person curating a playlist.

[@CtrlAltRelax]

Great concept. With IAP sample packs this would probably be sustainable.

[@xgmode]

Totally forgot about this app, would be great to have this available again!

[@oldowl4290]

Ohhh man Id absolutely love to have this!

[@Bassline_Rebel]

Wow I thought I was the only one that found that to be true! I guess you have to be junglist at heart to real feel the Dilemma.😉 Tractor yes the original one not the second one. I forget the exact changes that made it not work as well but.... start by having some tearing almond Loops (buttery) that I would mix down in cubasis after stitching them together to make at least 16 bars and usually with a second similar loop which becomes a track I throw into one of the decks now add your que points in all the RIGHT spots... Try : 3 at starts of bar, 2 at snarehits , few at vocals or whatever AND few last ques would be quick loops/cuts.(single bar or sweet 4 bar buildup) and these you can quicktime half or quarter the loops on the fly. NOW to play: what you do is zoom in the wave like 1bar ? (know the form & See the snare) and freeze it with quantize and jump manually in that window view of that section of sample. have fun and then jump to another que and another interesting bit.all the while for still playing and in quantized ....So you can just keep loading the next deck as long as you got them extended ahmen loop tracks predone and mixing between them and then....if you dare into a real mixer... side note : Now remember, just like scratching without a beat, you will be kicked out of home or relationship unless you play that with second sound source ie you wanna use a mixer....yes fader...levels? check. keeps it all smooth goat style like you own vinyl but not cuz its ironic. so do that dew cut and blend---

[@LiveLoopers]

Live FX from Elephant Candy is the other one that I would really love to have back. I spent years dodging ios upgrades in order to keep using that one.

[@init-crioxica]

Thank you for video, but, KOALA Sampler + KOALA FX + LPD8 - Best for sound like this ;-)

[@Hill_Of_Silence_11]

And I absolutely agree with your upgrades ideas

[@ndrinks5550]

Can’t this be done using the Dr OctoRex gadget that Propellerheads brought from Reason to Korg Gadget (Stockholm I think?) now that they’re usable outside of Gadget itself? You get pitch/reverse/pan and everything per slice, multiple groups, filters etc that Amen Generator doesn’t seem to have.

[@JakobHaq]

There’s a new video about this topic. The dev brought Amenbreak back and I’m also showing what one needs to do in order to set this type of behaviour up on the only two apps that can perform this type of functionality on iOS atm. kzbin.info/www/bejne/ppeonWmAmLdqm6Mfeature=shared To answer your question, No, Stockholm gadget can’t perform this style playback on its own since it doesn’t have a built in sequencer. But even if you Stockholm into a sequencer you still don’t have a play through mode. You’d still have to program a sequence to trigger Stockholm. The play through mode with loop tracking and quantised triggering are what makes this Amenbreak Gen special. Many other apps and pieces of hardware has some of these functionalities, but unfortunately they often do not implement all of them. But I could be wrong. There might be others out there who knows Stockholm gadget better than me and have found a way of doing. If there are then I’d want to know. The more ways we can do this, the better! 👊 [EDIT] So far we have AmenBreak Generator Loopy Pro GR-16 But we might get this functionality In Koala Sampler too.

[@sevenape]

I used to LOVE this app! So much fun!

[@afk4lyf]

Here I was wondering, why not just use Koala? But you are absolutely correct, the lack of quantization would make live playing more difficult. When I first checked out Beatsurfing, I immediately wanted to try using it for playing jungle style cuts. Unfortunately, as far as I can tell, it would require a lot of pre-chopped samples and tweaking to get things right. Like you said, inconvenience is a buzzkiller. Glitchbreaks definitely has my attention though. Have you played with the other apps from that dev?

[@JakobHaq]

Yes, I have all of Alex’s apps. He makes good stuff. But glitchbreaks is still my favourite one.

[@afk4lyf]

@@JakobHaq Sweet! I'll check them out. Thanks!

[@josju7747]

I got the solution! I'm starting to build a time machine, so we can get this app! Please DEV COME BACK

[@vekbeats]

Maybe with Loopy Pro and the Sequencer, that one still playing if you go back to a chop just keep playing the whole loop, but a Solo App will be great

[@JakobHaq]

Does that not end up in playing double notes?

[@pongtrometer]

Did you try auto chop, in koalasampler, and set the samples to thru and sharing the same choke group, along with the sequencer you set up , to address the jumping back and forth as the straight sequence plays ?

[@JakobHaq]

That does not work since the sequence interrupts the manual sample triggering. Marek has commented on this video saying he might add a mode that makes Koala work like AmenBreak gen.

[@pongtrometer]

Jakob Haq Niceone…. I definitely look forward to some Mantronics style editing, also thanks for the Glitchbeat app recommendation…. When I saw your snippet of mangling the loop the start/end /loop lengths 👾 cheers

[@redskylullaby]

Agree, still runs great on an old iphone4

[@autecheee]

Is there a jailbreak way to save and transfer these obsolete apps from one old iPad to another old iPad with old iOS versions? Or is it so complicated that one needs to use non-iTunes software (eg Cydia) on a PC or Mac?

[@JakobHaq]

I have no idea. I’ve never jail-broken anything before. 😅

[@TheDonLemonSnickety]

Autochop set to playthrough with a choke on. You have ur amen breaker

[@christophertew7893]

Have you tried segments? With a little juggling I seem to be able to get close to the functionality.

[@JakobHaq]

I’ll have a look at it. It’s the quantisation playback that worries me. I also really want it to behave like Amenbreak gens looping mode. Music does not stop jus at because I stop triggering play points.

[@JakobHaq]

I’ve tried segments now but unfortunately I’d does not have any quantisation for the playback. Plus it cannot continuously loop the entire sample the same way that Amenbreak gen does when using the “thru” mode who mode. So no luck there I’m afraid.

[@pdppdp3854]

i have this type of beat juggling setup on windows pc using the Reaper-daw and the shaperbox2 vst... where i can do beat juggling of up to 4 tracks simultaneously!! can also route ipad audio into Reaper and beat juggle that on the fly too, i kid you not!! when one knows how to route audio and sync it all up... beat juggling is just part and parcel of a template i made using reaper

[@slymega28]

Amigo app’s killing it

[@fabianalvarez7206]

I'm sad because I don't have IOS, could I get one for Android or Windows? I need help for my breaks :(

[@tobiaslofi]

I'm not sure it will help you but I think loading up the amen break into e.g. Algorithm DJay Pro and setting 16 cue points should do the same if the "song"-looping works perfectly in time ... only that I think you only have 8 cue points....

[@JakobHaq]

Thank you for the tip!

[@rrrobart9]

God yes please get this back. Yeah you COULD replicate it, but at what cost in terms of time? It would take forever to replicate it. I challenge anyone to use their favorite app to replicate and then share with the rest of us a performance and tell us how long it took you. Takers? I would use Patterning and it would take me over 8 hours continuous at least to do it. Wouldn’t it be better to spend $5 and have it done?

[@mooseymoose]

Seems like Loopy Pro ought to be able to replicate that.

[@PiersCawley]

Yeah, the Loopy Pro beatslicer seems to do most of this. Defaults to slicing on transients, but I think it can slice on metronome points.

[@PiersCawley]

Just checked. Seems to work.

[@JakobHaq]

I’ll try building it.

[@JakobHaq]

How does one setup metronome points?

[@PiersCawley]

@@JakobHaq In the edit mode, tap on the slicer pads and choose 'divide evenly' rather than 'divide on transients'. It doesn't quite work the same way - when a tapped sample finishes playing, the loop jumps back to the point in the loop where it would be if you'd not tapped (as if you'd held 'freeze'). However, Michael's pretty responsive to things like this, and I've popped a note in the discord to see if he'd be interested in adding that behaviour as another option. Also, I _think_ I might be able to get the app behaviour by fiddling with follow actions. If it works I'll post a video and link to a save file so nobody else has to do the fiddling :)

[@allehooop]

I bought it very long time ago. But not anymore in the App Store so I cannot download anymore 😭

[@fuxinferior2195]

Good idea I like it

[@Stargazer-XP]

Aww man I’m so mad that AMEN BREAK GENERATOR DOES EXIST ON APP STORE ANYMORE!!!

[@Steve.Dennis]

So, any devs gonna take this on? Maybe someone like an Elliott Garage?

[@jacekszwarc-bronikowski4186]

What about GLITHCORE functionality, compared to GLITCHBREAKS ?

[@JakobHaq]

Glitchbreaks is an instrument where you basically mix different loops. Glitchbreaks is a sequenced effect that chops up incoming audio stream.

[@Narrowboat.and.offgrid.living]

This app needs a bass loop function with it there really is not a dnb app that has it all in

[@sumchi3690]

Hey Jakob. Besides helping your channel are there any other benefits to your Patreon support.

[@JakobHaq]

Not really. Almost all of my time go into making the videos for the channel so I rarely have time to do anything else. I respond quicker to patreon messages and spend more time helping people out when they need it there too, but I don’t do a bunch of extra stuff. I’ve always focused on the videos I make and I’ve never wanted to paywall some off. If I did, video releases would be really far apart which in turn makes the algorithm prioritising and promoting the channel less. So Patreon is really for people who just want to support the channel. There’s a special voice chat channel on Disccord also but almost no one has used it so far.

[@sumchi3690]

@@JakobHaq How much for Patreon membership?

[@sumchi3690]

@@JakobHaq I’d mainly like to support your channel. Each video is like taking an antidepressant!

[@sumchi3690]

@@JakobHaq I’m sorry. I’ve realised that asking you that was a bit inappropriate. I’ll do what I can when I get the chance🙏

[@robthequiet]

Still running this on my iphone 5c. Another app I have is Glitchbreaks. Also runs AUM.

[@JakobHaq]

I forgot that Amenbreak Gen could run on iPhone. I only have it on my iPad Mini 1 together with Junglist and Glitchbreaks. Pretty dope that the iPhone 5 can run AUM btw.

[@DJGunOfficial]

where to get it?

[@SonicVibe]

O man I need that app

[@danlopez2012]

Okay okay! I'll bite! You BUILT a controller and just left it there waiting for some knucklehead like me to ask "Uh! HOW & Why?" Did you go arduino which seems to be the MIDI DIY's go2 platform?😉👍☺️

[@danlopez2012]

BTW, It looks baddass! Cant find any videos on it yet... or i missed it during the search

[@JakobHaq]

I’m not sure but I think you’re referring to my dubmasta? I made a vid on it 6 years ago kzbin.info/www/bejne/rYTZoWqGjZh4ZsU

[@TheOldBabylonian]

Segments from elliott should be capable of doing something like that. it has samplestart with playthrough and afaik loops the entire sample if no input comes. Not quiet sure about the quantization. At work atm so can’t test it. Maybe a little midi trickery with rozetta from bram to solve the quantization 🤷

[@JakobHaq]

Quantisation is very important. Also the looping functionality of Amenbreak is also important. Not having music just stop when I stop triggering notes. But I’ll look at segments and see how it fares. 👍

[@JakobHaq]

I’ve tried segments now but unfortunately I’d does not have any quantisation for the playback. Plus it cannot continuously loop the entire sample the same way that Amenbreak gen does when using the “thru” mode who mode. So no luck there I’m afraid.

[@TheOldBabylonian]

@@JakobHaq Damn. But thank you very much for replying. 🙏

[@GaryR55]

Looks like it was designed as an iPhone app, given its vertical (portrait) format.

[@GearAddict90210]

Hm, I am about to sell my Octatrack. This is actually something it can do quite easily. And on the MPC I believe you can use the note repeat to achieve quantised triggering

[@kaeesone]

could you please elaborate more on that? How can it be done on the MPC Live?

[@samjones3433]

Where are you based? I’m looking for an octatrack currently

[@dafingaz]

So many apps in the iOS graveyard

[@JakobHaq]

Too many!

[@dafingaz]

@@JakobHaq :(

[@josju7747]

noooooooooo I KNEW I DONT BELONG HERE IN THIS ERAAAAAA :(((((( Did anyone reach the developer?

[@pdppdp3854]

thats a great app!!

[@slamhoof]

So sad now that I know this exists.

[@funksmaname]

Got you Riddy... kzbin.info/www/bejne/pKqYZ3d9rN-mldk

[@slamhoof]

@@funksmaname It is amazing what you can do my friend! Not only your music but all this big brain stuff as well!! I am in awe! Will be sure to check this out!!

[@funksmaname]

@@slamhoof Thanks man, reach out if you have any trouble setting it up!

[@paulsargeant8179]

Nice

[@KHos73]

Where can we get it 😀 I will update it!

[@JakobHaq]

Unfortunately the dev does not seem to be active anymore and I can’t find his contact info.

[@slamhoof]

Is there ANY weay to get ones hands on this?

[@ciaopete]

Time travel

[@JakobHaq]

Unfortunately none that I can think of. 😓😅

[@spellerlittlewing]

Ok where can down load the app

[@JakobHaq]

Nowhere unfortunately. It’s completely removed from the AppStore and I can’t find a non-legit download link anywhere either.

[@clacclackerson3678]

I'd be quite happy if I never heard the Amen or any permutations of it ever again.

[@JakobHaq]

😂 I take it you’re not too fond of it then. 💋

[@clacclackerson3678]

@@JakobHaq Loved it back in '98! 👌

[@ColinTedford]

Sunvox has a sample offset effect that works similarly (kzbin.info/www/bejne/Y2WbnHSeha6bbsU ). I don't think you could recreate this app (at the least you'd have to rig up buttons to control that parameter), and if you can it won't have the same purpose-built feel.

[@JakobHaq]

Even if it can’t recreate it, it’s still Interesting info. I’ll have a look at it.

[@eivindmoland7687]

Use koala sampler guys 😂

[@JakobHaq]

As I demonstrated in the video at 7:11 you cannot get the “Amenbreak Generator” behaviour out of Koala sampler. There might be in the future though considering that Marek (Koala sampler dev) commented that he might add that.

[@nathanbryers]

Midi export to track

[@audiblevideo]

Midi controller/app and Drambo?

[@JakobHaq]

I have not managed to get the Amenbreak behaviour out of Drambo. But if you have them please explain how you did it. I really want to try it out.

[@audiblevideo]

@@JakobHaq I will investigate my supposition :)

[@funksmaname]

@@JakobHaq kzbin.info/www/bejne/pKqYZ3d9rN-mldk

[@mrrafsk]

@@audiblevideo interested in this in drambo..