The Best Bitrate for Recording Gameplay

Today we compare bitrates at 60FPS
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[@loop6913]

You should explain what's the difference between bitrate and resolution...

[@Sovrakha]

I don't actually know enough about the both of them to make a video on it, but I'll do my best to explain it in this comment; Resolution is a number based on the number of pixels being displayed. So for example; a 1080p monitor has a resolution of 1920 pixels wide and 1080 pixels tall. Multiply those numbers and we get the total amount of pixels in the frame, that number being 2,073,600 pixels. The higher the resolution, the more pixels are needed, and a consequence of a higher resolution is a clearer image. The "64 bit, 32 bit, 16 bit" meme videos on KZbin actually do a good job of helping visualize this. Here's an example: kzbin.info/www/bejne/pWnZnH2VrZZ0aKs As for bitrate - Bitrate is a type of video compression, and the value given determines how many pixels and details are actually captured per second. The greater the video resolution, the higher the bitrate you will need in order to get the full quality of said resolution. So a 720p video would need a much lower bitrate to capture all the details in 720p (921,600 pixels per frame), when compared to say a 4k video which has 8,294,400 Pixels per frame. So in conclusion; Higher resolution = More detail, sharper image Higher bitrate = More of the resolution is actually captured Bitrate is also the biggest player in terms of how big your file will be. Higher bitrate does mean better quality, but it also means bigger file size. Tom Scott has a really good video on bitrate: kzbin.info/www/bejne/qGe1oWCrpJt7o6s My goal with this video was to find the "sweet spot" of bitrates at 1080p and 1440p, at least for recording/uploading to KZbin. The "sweet spot" being 'file size' VS 'discernable visual quality'.

[@prich0382]

Bitrate and resolution are independent of each other. At a given resolution, the bit rate determines how much information in bits there is per second. Also have to take into account frame rate as the higher the frame rate at a given Bitrate, the lower the quality per frame, so 60 FPS recording would need (not exactly) about twice the Bitrate of a 30 FPS recording to maintain the same quality.

[@DM.Arsenije]

@@Sovrakha God bless you.

[@jigglypuff5432]

So what is the best bitrate for 1080p 60fps videos? Should i use 100.000kbps or 50.000 will be enough? 🤔

[@hungryangry7835]

Me watching this at 144p Mhm, yes, sharp

[@Matsvyan]

been looking for a thorough explanation and example like this for what feels like years! Great Work!

[@Sovrakha]

Glad to help!

[@zupasanic2748]

i have been recording in 50,000 kbps 1080p and kinda struggling with file sizes. with your video i've decided to turn it down to 25,000 kbps. You're right, once it hits youtube it's barely noticeable

[@masterlee1988]

On KZbin 4k uploads can use more than 25000 kbps like around 30000 kbps even. It's best to record in 1080p or 1440p at 50000 kbps and upscale to 4k(or do a native 4k rendering) and then upload that 4k vid on KZbin to take advantage of the bitrate more. Uploading a 1080p vid without upscaling to 4k when the bitrate is even at 25000 kbps is kind of pointless as 1080p only uses up to 6000 kbps on KZbin. Though for space it's nice to have a bigger hard drive, I even have a 4TB hard drive for that.

[@LucidOreo]

did you use OBS?

[@SeanyKrabs]

25,000 kb/s is still a bit overkill for 1080p. I record at 12,000 kb/s for 1080p, and 24,000 kb/s for 1440p.

[@SeanyKrabs]

@xSweetPvP That would only be okay for recording gameplay to put in game trailers. Other than that, there's no point (unless it's like a 5 minute replay buffer or something)

[@C2OOK]

@Swee 😂

[@TripleMoonPanda]

Thanks so much! I've been recording at 1440p 25mbps but I haven't been to pleased with the quality after uploading to youtube. I hate the compression artifacts a lot so now I'm going to start recording at 50mbps and hopefully that'll help decrease the artifacting just enough to where I think the quality is more acceptable. I wish youtube didn't compress videos so much as they do but with the amount of videos uploaded every second and how much hardware must be required to save that unbelievable amount of data I totally understand why they have to do it and honestly I'm surprised that youtubes quality can be as good as it is right now.

[@Sovrakha]

I just checked out your most recent upload, quality looks great :D

[@blueballs1123]

I agree with everything that you said. You are the best KZbinr ever! Sovrakha + anything in this universe = A-M-A-Z-I-N-G.

[@soul-man]

Very helpful guide for old school editor like me, we still use our eyes to see rather then just numbers... lol

[@ahmadkhaled5783]

i see 25k is enough i will be recording in this bitrate now , Great video keep it up

[@Sovrakha]

Thanks, glad to help!

[@VeggieTwelve]

Thank you for the side-by-side comparisons. It helped me narrow down and better understand exactly what I needed for my video quality with OBS. Your effort into showcasing each and the amount of memory each takes to record with was incredibly helpful. Immediate like from me and a thank you again for the content!

[@throwawayboi2045]

Damn, man! Meticulous detail! I respect it!

[@Sovrakha]

Thanks! :)

[@tuhinfrags]

So much info in a short video that's what we want. Thank you man Stay happy and safe.

[@ChaseFace]

Interesting, it seems like 50,000 kbps is the peak and 100,000 is somewhat overkill for the amount of space it'll take up on your hard drive. Much appreciated!

[@masterlee1988]

100 Mbps is pretty pointless for KZbin, but you got to have at least 50 Mbps and upload in a minimum of 4k to have better bitrate for gaming vids.

[@Xoilen]

From the testing I've done over the past couple days at 1440p 60fps it seems it's best to record in 25-50kb/s and then export your video at 80kb/s before uploading to save as much quality during youtube compression as possible.

[@Sovrakha]

Interesting... 50kb/s only captures a certain level of detail, so exporting at 80kb/s would technically be adding unnecessary file size to the finished render. Export bitrates can only be as good as the raw clip with the highest bitrate, so maybe exporting it at a higher bitrate helps specifically for uploads on KZbin.

[@JenyaIsJustChilling]

I recomend using CQP option in OBS - it will adjust bitrate on the go, and it's better than VBR or CBR, because when you set a bitrate - you force your PC to render video in real-time, while CQP is much flexible and much better in quality. For example, if you get a scene with lets say 50 Mbps in CQP - it would be better than forced 50 Mbps in CBR. The downside of CQP - you never know how much space a file could take - it could be very smal (because the game is old pixelated platformer for example, or you spent the whole time in game menus or character inventory), or it could be very large.

[@JenyaIsJustChilling]

I use CQP value of 17 at the moment.

[@pasklplay]

But how can i render in cqp by premiere pro? There is no that option, only cbr or vbr.

[@JenyaIsJustChilling]

@@pasklplay i guess you can't, but you don't need to. Because as i said - recording is a REAL-TIME process, when rendering the final video is OFFLINE process. Using CBR mode and same bitrate for recording and for rendering will give you DIFFERENT results. 50 Mbps of real-time encoding (recording footages), and 50 Mbps of offline rendering give you different quality, because when you record 1 minute video, you force your PC to encode it in this 1 minute, which results in poorer quality, but when you render 1 minute video, you can spend 5, 10 minutes, or more, which results in better quality, even with The Same Bitrate. CQP - for real-time recording. Everything else - for final render.

[@FATTY1990]

that is why When you render videos render them higher due to YT compressing them this i learnt very quickly and you won't get much quality loss

[@gamersparadise743]

nice helpful video. i liked that u didnt just say "so use this or use that" half the fun of recording is testing different things for yourself!

[@Sovrakha]

Exactly, and I'm glad you agree! Especially depending on individual hardware, there is no end-all solution. And it can really depend on what you plan to record too. Thanks for your comment!

[@Robin_Games]

60 mb/s recording is the sweet spot I have found on my 6800xt. You can go lower but on any fast pace games it will get blurry when you go lower

[@Mystical_Zeus]

This definitely helps me and I have over 60 videos uploaded already I couldn't decide on 10,000 for low motion or just 50,000 no matter what for fidelity.

[@MeowTime24]

Hi! Nice video! I’m recording my gameplay atm. At 40k bitrate 1440p 60fps, but I can notice a little bit of stuttering in the end videos and also a tiny bit of stuttering ingame while recording. Do you have any idea as of what could be coising this micro stuttering? I have an i7 8700k on 4.3 ghz, an rtx 2070s oc-d to 2ghz, and 16gigs of 3200 ram. While ingsme and recording my cpu seems to be at around 30% load, and my gpu is at 85-100%. My goal is to upload to youtube in 1440p 60fps, smooth and beautyful. I’m recording in mp4 atm, and im using filmora wondershare 9 to edit the videos, and I export the videos from there after cut in same settings.

[@Sovrakha]

Hey there, thanks for your comment! What are you using to record? Your GPU being at 100% could be the cause for some of the stuttering, both in-game and in the recording. To fix this you can cap the fps in whatever game you're playing or by enabling VSync, or Adaptive Sync if you have it. Many modern games let you cap your FPS somewhere in the settings menu. Also, what refresh rate is the monitor you're playing on? I had some issues with my recordings when my monitor was set to 144hz, but it fixed it by setting it to 120hz. I'm thinking that the best way to achieve smooth recordings is to get a capture card, but it costs a pretty penny in order to get something that'll do 1440p 144hz passthrough with 60fps recording.

[@MeowTime24]

Sovrakha thank you for the response! I’m using OBS, and I’m happy to share that I’va fixed the issue! It was such an oblivious thing, I literally just had to run OBS as administrator and that instantly fixed the stutter. I posted questions about this on 3 forums and noone knew the answer, then When I was desperately scrolling trough other forum posts that had stutter in the title I found someone that said what worked for him was to run as admin. Tried it and ye that was my issue too! So if you make any more vids about this in the future, def include to make sure to run as admin as this is such a dumb and easy thing to miss and it can cause days of confusion - like in my case.

[@MeowTime24]

@@Sovrakha I've figured everything out, and now my first nice quality vid is out. Thank you for this video as it helped me to configure my stuff! :D Good luck

[@Sovrakha]

@@MeowTime24 Glad you've got it figured out! I always forget about OBS needing to be ran in Administrator mode, so I'm happy you solved your issue with just that!

[@Nogardtist]

for 1080p60fps minimum bit rate 16K bit rate basically youtube recommendation the mid range is 32K bit rate and maximum 48K above maximum 64K and overkill 100K bit rate 1440P60fps minimum 28K mid 42K max 64K so on 4K 32K minimum 42K mid and 64K should be mid and 84K max basically higher resolution will require higher bit rate depending on youtube compression if you get AVC01 all bit rate gonna be garbage and going above 10K wont make a difference but 1440p automatically get VP09 codec so higher res wont lose data due to trash codec youtube compresses they apply to 1080p now 1080p regardless of bit rate default gonna get AVC01 but there rumors that youtube reencode if you get more views or subs atleast its the theory and either gonna get VP09 or AV1 i wonder if 1080p exported with h265 gets VP09 or its h264 that causes AVC01 codec to be set by default on 1080p but the higher bit rate the better if you have enough spare space and performance

[@danischannel]

What is your opinion on recording at a higher resolution than the native resolution . I use nvidia GeForce to record gameplay at 1080p but now that i know KZbin compresses the bitrate anyway I'm thinking of setting the recording to 4k with 50 mbps bitrate even though my monitor is 1080p only . Will this be useful or am I wasting time ? ( My aim is to upload 1080p hd 60fps videos with high bitrate from my 1080p monitor )

[@Nogardtist]

@@danischannel if a monitor supports up to 1080p then you most likely wont be able to record things in higher then 1080p unless you use some workaround that bypasses the resolution but it might make other problems that i never tried nor know about 50 mbps is like what 50K kbps its ok but i think 64K bit rate for 1080p is more then enough it also depending on storage space and performance but no matter what bitrate you upload youtube will compress it so either try to record at 1440p or above natively to force VP09 codec that should be 9000kbps instead of AVC01 coded that just around 600kbps even worse then streaming quality but if you record low bit rate and it gets compressed so the detail would be twice as bad then having high bit rate in the first place 4K 50mbps or 50K kbps might be minimum but i think 86K kbps should be its high setting but it can be pushed above that but heres gonna be 2 critical problem and its storage space and performance it might double or even triple with storage space alone at 4K60fps then it would be in 1080p60fps as for FPS it might be demanding for the CPU to encode all that data and even GPU might have to land a hand to CPU i dont have the ability to play games at 4K even with 2K its struggles cause i have 1050ti and a monitor that has native 2K resolution but i dont have a 4K at all also depends on editing software you probably gonna want to change it settings to also export videos at best quality or even use custom settings and also it depends on the game if theres a lot of color change and rapid movement the bit rate refresh would have way higher rate then something more stationary or with pixel style graphics as for upscale 1440p and native 1080p there very minimal difference and hard to notice unless you zoom in and look trough pixel to pixel so quality would be good even if you upscale but 1080p is not far from 2K so the details would probably get blurry on 8K resolution as if anyone can even afford to have 8K natively either way its gonna be difficult to balance storage space and performance to get best possible quality also if you care about your files save them on external drive cause google storage its already keeping the compressed version so you very likely gonna get an inferior version

[@danischannel]

@@Nogardtist thank you for replying ✌🏼

[@briandottv9444]

I find 10,000 kb/s to be a good amount for longer recordings especially for me as I like to record long game playthroughs. Anything more is just a lot more storage overhead for such a small difference.

[@fartgaming1302]

Yeah id say that would be fine for long game playthroughs

[@Daraxy]

@@fartgaming1302 tbh if u have the storage, i have 2tb of storage i think recording at 25 is still an option if u want them to look better, so if u have storage imo its 25 the best and if u don't 10 will do

[@swarple]

Am starting a gaming channel, have already recorded five episodes of the first series, and... then it turns out I’m at a lower bitrate than I should be. I was recording at 10,000 on a gaming laptop. I hope that won’t be a huge turnoff for people.... At least my audio is crisp, thanks to a nice mic.

[@commonman9782]

whats ur channel?

[@swarple]

@@commonman9782 I haven’t started posting yet, actually.

[@jayden6478]

This video was very informative and straight to the point, it was very helpful. Thanks!

[@Sovrakha]

Glad to help!

[@aldianpramesta]

what bitrate do you use for your KZbin channel?, my english is not good if the answer is in the video, thanks for the information.

[@NoahtheGameplayer]

that is why i have a tebibyte Drive to stored all my videos files

[@siddarth_vader]

I've been recording 1080p@60 at 60Mbps like an idiot for 2 years. My 6 minute gameplay clip sizes were around 2 gigs each and when I ran out of storage, I purged the footage directory

[@mikeramos91]

well, according to this video i'd say 50mbps bitrate is best option

[@siddarth_vader]

@@mikeramos91 I've set it to 30. I save clips for just a few weeks nowadays to show friends a cool moment. 50 is definitely overkill for that.

[@masterlee1988]

@@mikeramos91 It's the best option if you upload in 4k(and 8k)which is recommended to have less compression.

[@Seahawkfan1108]

i just found i been recording in only 16,000 in my recording section when i was also streaming on twitch. i switched it to 50,000 kps now and noticed the files are alot bigger now averaging around 11-13 GB's. YEESH, but i want the best quality for my videos i can bump out so i'll leave it at 50,000 and just delete the videos once i uploaded them to my youtube channel. thanks dude, your video was very helpful!

[@Sovrakha]

I used to do the same thing. Glad it helped!

[@ElangGamingChannel]

50 Mbps for sure!

[@JackyWillGamingeTI]

Great Video, thanks for all the information!!!

[@Sovrakha]

Glad to help!

[@finlieutenant]

Very good video ! This helps me to see differences :)

[@Zaccby]

thank you this was really helpfull another video was suggeting the bare minimum was 60000 for any footage at 1080 but you showing 1440 at 10000 is great to see didn't want to have 500 gigs in video

[@omritahar9048]

Great video man, thank you!

[@Sovrakha]

Thank you!

[@mattu5089]

Really simple explanation and example good job, earn a sub and like.

[@ZakariaOumimoun]

You should know that when youtube processes the video file, the maximum bit-rate is 50Mb or 50000kb. So even if you record with 100Mb, KZbin gonna lower is to 50Mb. and 30Mb is the best if your PC can handle it, if not, 10mb is the minimum.

[@Zaptosis]

KZbin & Google as a whole measures data in binary units, 1024. 50,000 Kb = 48.8 Mb, not 50 Mb according to KZbin, just wanted to point that out as you used decimal units interchangeably. However even with KZbins compresses it to 50,000 Kb I still feel like the video would look better cause your giving their proprietary algorithm more data to work with, at least that's just my theory, maybe I should do some tests.

[@Sovrakha]

Even though KZbin has it's own maximum bitrates that it will compress your video to, recording in the highest quality will result in the highest render/upload quality even after youtube compresses it. There is a point of diminishing returns though.

[@sageofthetiger4166]

so much good information i learned from this video thank you

[@Sovrakha]

Glad to help!

[@Blazeyayo]

I recorded 5 Hidden Deep video game play to post on KZbin and i noticed that the videos had bad motion blur, I'm not sure if its really motion blur or something else but the videos were very hard to watch, but then i went into my setting and changed my frame rate for recording from 30fps to 60fps & also i changed the video recording quality from (High) to Original High picture quality, The motion blur is gone now but I'm wondering if i really needed to change both my recording fps from fps30 to fps60 & my recording video quality from )High) to - Original (High picture quality) in order to stop the motion blur, Please help me here I'm trying to become a good KZbinr but posting only the best quality videos for everyone to watch, Please reply back to me i really would appreciate any advise or tips!

[@Sovrakha]

Hey sorry for the late reply. I checked out those vids you mentioned, and I think what you're referring to is called 'compression artifacts'. Changing the framerate shouldn't cause those artifacts, so it more likely had something to with changing the recording quality. Compression artifacts are caused by low quality, low bitrates or heavy compression, so changing the quality to Original like you did looks to have fixed that part.

[@arcade-eyes3682]

This was really informative, thanks!

[@Sovrakha]

I'm glad it helped!

[@mr.martian7065]

tnx... this was really helpfull, cuz im just starting and my network is shit, I needed to know bare minimum

[@robbokin1822]

Beautiful video my man, really helpful

[@Sovrakha]

I'm happy it helped!

[@tr0piX]

very helpful. thanks for this comparison

[@Sovrakha]

Glad it was helpful!

[@usakoigen3683]

So fir 1440p videos, i should record them in 50Mbps and export(from premiere pro) in 50Mbps too for best quality? since 100Mbps only have slightly better quality?

[@Dsuchong]

good job bro, keep up the good work,

[@Sovrakha]

Thanks, I hope it helped!

[@tater7367]

What bitrate do you guys recommend for capturing 5-10 minute footage of 60 fps gameplay with a 1080p resolution? I used to use 50,000 kbps because I had no idea what bitrate even was so I just cranked it really high on my recording software, not very long after I realized how much space the footage was taking up on my PC. I then lowered it down to 16,000 but I don't know if that is too high or too low. (You don't have to waste your time to view my channel since I don't have videos on there, old channel with some old videos on there got terminated.)

[@HGKEntertainment]

I just about to click on your channel. 😅

[@lat1zy]

Between 30.000 and 40.000 should be plenty for your gameplay. 30.000 for slow paced games and 40.000 for high motion for games. Higher than that will hardly give improvements in quality but astronomical increase of file size

[@unigameverse]

Bigger is not always better. I learned that after i tried to edit a video I recorded with a bitrate of 300000 kb/s. Nice job me.

[@masterlee1988]

Yeah there is zero reason to use that, KZbin can't even go past 100000 kbps. For most you would be fine at 50000 kbps.

[@unigameverse]

@@masterlee1988 That was before I understood what it was. I was like: "let's goooooo, this video will look so nice" and fucked my computer up while trying to edit.

[@masterlee1988]

@@unigameverse Ah I see, that makes sense.

[@sweatypotato248]

Oh, Thanks men it helps a lot

[@Fishy_TD]

Very useful video, thanks alot

[@Sovrakha]

Glad to know it helped :)

[@B2Hvlogs]

Thank You !

[@aaronveda]

just what i needed ty dude

[@Sovrakha]

Glad to help!

[@Provolt]

Thanks very helpful

[@Sovrakha]

Glad to help!

[@ArmagedonYT1]

which one is no lag and could handle almost any pc and best grapic?? if u could help me

[@relyt2193]

35 - 50 is what i use now

[@portman8909]

so 20 mpbs is enough for 1440p at 30 fps recording ?

[@Sovrakha]

Oh yes, it's definitely enough to record at 1440p 30fps. Especially if you're satisfied with the results.

[@mateuszkusz5593]

Thanks dude. It helped a lot. :)

[@Sovrakha]

You're welcome!

[@YhelloWish]

Very informative thanks man

[@Sovrakha]

Happy to help!

[@5lomo]

hey man, do you have any idea why the bright areas of the sky like the sun, the brightest area, comes out pixelated compared to the rest of the footage? I'm rendering at max bitrate of 100,000,000 and min of 50,000,000 in Sony Vegas, at 1440p and 60fps, would be grateful if you helped.

[@Sovrakha]

So sorry for the late reply, It might be due to the bitrate you're recording with, or the recording method. I'm not very experienced with extreme quality retention, or lossless capture, but if you're using OBS you can try CQP instead of CBR for your recordings. CQ level 14 is essentially lossless, so anything below that is essentially useless. And the higher you go, the lower the quality. Try playing with that and test your results. Remember file size. Good luck

[@duckygoeslucky3482]

this may depend on the bit of your recording, recording in 8 bits will result in color banding and may come off as pixelated

[@boydemfoot]

I’ve been struggling with this for ages. Everythingn is set up for 1080 60fps but still only getting 30fps. Seems like my bitrate is set too low (due to poor internet) for streaming.

[@Balistikrust]

I have a GTX 1060 and my problem is I record in 1440p or 1080p and still get avc videos that look bad quality how do I fix this??? please help what bit rate do I use to record a vp9 video?

[@DelightfullyMatched]

40-50mbps if you MUST go with CBR, it truly is the sweet spot when it comes to youtubes compression/production, though I would highly recommend recording with CQP if possible, it records with as little bitrate as it needs to get a good picture and as high, obvious caps depending on your CQP values, this overall has saved on space and helped slightly improve render times, prior I'd record with a CBR of 40mbps, switched to CQP20 (caps at 45mbps) and there's no difference other than smaller file sizes, anything beyond CQP18 is overkill for youtube after it does what it does even with vp09 I've noticed though so I just leave it at 20 for now After that I just render using h265 in resolve because it's much more efficient than h264 in render times, size, and bitrates, since KZbin compresses regardless of how you render you may as well not render something ungodly massive in filesize that will also take forever to upload, I often see people will render their videos at twice what their bitrate was which confuses me since it gets squished anyway and you're just wasting compute time and I've noticed no difference in rendering a 40mbps bitrate at 50mbps vs 120mbps, if anyone does have better tips or ideas I'd love to know because I try to push as much as I can for quality - Izzy :D This was a fantastically well done video regardless for people to learn more

[@mabelhqprogamer4791]

Hi there, I wanna try this CQP thingy you talk about but I don't see it anywhere in the recording tab of OBS, are you using GPU encoder or CPU encoder?

[@DelightfullyMatched]

@@mabelhqprogamer4791 For GPU, I use CQP, it works on my Nvidia or AMD, the cards I've used with this, (GTX 1050ti, GTX 1650S/GTX 1660S/Radeon RX 580) For CPU it's called CRF, it's a different encoding style but the basic idea is roughly the same though I'm not too well-versed in how it works, I would take a look into a forum called doom9, it's about information on digital audio and video manipulation, I learned so much in regards to how CPU encoding works. - Izzy

[@SkeeLoY]

really nice video, thx.

[@Sovrakha]

Glad it helped!

[@arcade-eyes3682]

Hey Sovrakha, back again I hope you have the expertise to answer my question :) Do you have to play a game at 2560 x 1440, to record at 1440p? I intend to play at 16:9 1920x1080, but I want to record at 1440 @ 75mbs Thank you for this top quality video!

[@Sovrakha]

So sorry for the late reply, If your monitor is 1440p and you're playing the game at 1080p then technically you /could/ capture the screen at 1440p, but you would not have a real 1440p recording of the game. The game would still only be 1080p. If you really wanted to record the game at 1440p you would need to play the game at 1440p.

[@arcade-eyes3682]

@@Sovrakha It sounds like you're saying playing in 1920x1080 while recording in 1440p results in larger file sizes for no increase in video quality? Thanks for the reply!

[@spenddollarzent]

What setting would you recommend if I’m trying to record 4K videos on OBS using a 4K webcam and monitor. I have a KZbin channel I do reactions on and I wanna recoding on OBS in 4K but I’m confused on what bitrate should I use. Is video bitrate the same as streaming ? I have an Intel i7 cpu, a 1660 super gpu , 16gb of ram , and 550 ssd, with 1tb hd. I’m not worried about file sizes cuz I delete my videos once I upload on KZbin. now as far as recoding gameplays at 4K 60 what would you recommend for that as well. My reactions videos I want at 4K30 and my gameplays I want at 4K60

[@BOBAH-HA]

Use nvenc CQP mode with CQ value around 25. Should be good for 4k, and resulting bitrate will depend on the scene on the screen.

[@NEOS3C]

W

[@nickjohn7338]

Thx for vid

[@Sovrakha]

You're welcome!

[@marioswild5017]

this helped

[@jw_game]

What about bitrate in adobe premiere ?

[@Sovrakha]

The bitrate for your export in premiere should be as high as, or lower than, the highest bitrate of clip you used in the edit for the best quality + smallest file size. So let's say you record your clips in 50,000kb/s; your bitrate in Adobe Premiere should be 50,000kb/s or lower, but as close to 50,000kb/s to maintain quality. However, I've been hearing other people say that rendering higher than that is better if you want better quality once uploaded to KZbin, so you can try rendering higher than 50,000kb/s in our previous example and see if the quality changes are noticeable.

[@jw_game]

@@Sovrakha Thanks :)

[@bRbdev]

Ima stick to 5k bitrate cus my content doesn't need to see tiny details on the ground 😂

[@MrKZdemos]

holy fuck this was helpful

[@yyouwannabechris975]

On medal I got to clip settings and the max bitrate it goes to is 20 idk how to fix that

[@nikolatata69]

Wait im always recording at 1 gigabit/s is a problem?

[@OdinssoN]

this was so helpfull youre a fucking legend

[@eastwoodnam7120]

I see 25k kbps record for (1920x1080) pixel 60 fps. I calculated for my resolution ( 960 x 720 ) 60 fps is 8333.33 kbps. Thank you. Sorry I bad English.

[@ThatGuyRye]

What would you say is the ideal bitrate for 1080p 60fps? I have been messing around between 30k and 40k, with minimal difference. Just recorded a 60k vid but the file size was ridiculous!

[@Sovrakha]

It could depend on what you're playing. Games with lots of motion/high action will require a higher bitrate than slower-paced games. If you aren't seeing a big difference (or the difference isn't that big to you) between 30k and 40k, then I'd go with 30k to save on file size. The maximum bitrate I would recommend recording 1080p at would be 50k, the file sizes aren't worth it past 50k.

[@ThatGuyRye]

@@Sovrakha Thank you! I straddle the line between 30k and 40k a lot, but I honestly cannot tell that much of a difference.

[@iammeecho]

So, if I record 1080p60 with 100,000kbps bitrate, would that be good for recording? Even though KZbin recommends 12,000kbps.

[@Mr.Hyde_23]

KZbin's recommended bitrate is what you upload your final file as. You should record at a higher bitrate and render to a lower one before uploading it. That way you get the benefit of uploading a smaller file size while not compromising on quality.

[@flengai1706]

can you tell me if my gameplay looks good

[@Sovrakha]

Yeah man, looks great! I'm a bit late, but your quality is 👌👌

[@tatamata1895]

I dont know if someone is really watching this right now but im in a serious thing right now and i will appreciate your help. I do really need it so if you think you can help me with this, go ahead... Its been 2-3weeks now and im dealing with some bitrate problems, ive seen to many videos how to fix it and whats the best bitrate for gaming but i cant deal with this shit, ive tried everything and i still cant get it right. I use nvidia shadowplay instantreplay to record my gaming clips and the thing is ive been recording my clips with 1440p on 50mb bitrate because i read somewhere that the higher the bitrate is the quality of the video is more clear to see. Yeah i have checked it too, ive tried recording my clips from 10mb bitrate to 50mb but the problem is, when i record my clips on 50mb they are not smooth at all, i face some drop fps at some parts of the video, but i dont have dropfps ingame, just in recording. Why is this happening? Is there smth i can do because i can use some help here, please. How can i record my clips the same way i play in it, you know, because the game is pretty smooth but when i record it, it turns out shit. Also, i wanted to mention that i have a 1440x900 monitor and i use sonyvegas to render my videos, i had some problems with rendering but i have fixed it. All i need to know is that how can i deal with this, because i dont want to record my video at 10mb bitrate, they are lowquality as fuck.

[@Sovrakha]

Your monitor is 1440x900? That's only 900p. If you're trying to record at 1440p with a 900p monitor, that's most likely your problem. Try recording at 900p instead. 1440p is 2560x1440, not 1440x900. Also - Even though your game looks smooth when playing, that doesn't mean your recording will be smooth. If your GPU is near 100% load while playing a game, there's not much resources left for your GPU to use to record and encode. Try playing on lower graphics settings, capping your frame rate, or reducing your bitrate when recording. Yes, I know you said you looked up videos about bitrate, and you've asked the question "which bitrate is the best for recording?" But you need a good enough computer to be able to record using the best settings. The Bitrate isn't just a number that you can change without a consequence, higher bitrates need more computer power. If your computer is struggling to record at high quality, there isn't anything you can do except turn down the quality or buy better computer parts. I never recommend buying computer parts first, though. Keep playing around with different recording settings, figure out what the best YOUR computer can do first. Smooth footage with a lower bitrate looks much better than high bitrate footage that stutters. That's my advice. TL;DR: - (For improving smoothness of recordings, and reducing load on your GPU); -Record at the same resolution as your monitor, or lower. -Reduce your bitrate. -Reduce your graphics in-game, or cap your framerate to 60 (or 30 if you plan to record at 30fps). -Record to an SSD, NOT to an HDD. Hard Drives are very slow, and recording to them is painful. Upgrade to a Solid State Drive if you don't have one, this is the ONLY thing I recommend purchasing IF you do not already have one and none of the other tips above are helping. -Research more about CPU's, GPU's, computer bottlenecks, and buy better computer components (if the above tips don't help). -Research even more and buy a 2nd computer and a capture card. (NOT recommended for you). I hope this helps, good luck!

[@MankySwift]

@@Sovrakha can i just say u seem like a really decent chap and very helpful/informative...im soaking it all up :) thanks!!

[@Spolchen]

It's also important to look at what youtube recommends [support.google.com/youtube/answer/1722171?hl=en], considering most people will record at 1080p 60 fps 15 Mbps is enough, even 10 Mbps doesn't make a huge difference.

[@suppycat]

I had one question though,what if i am watching KZbin videos at 144p and sometimes its normal(quality) but sometimes it really really blurry,is it cause of the bitrate

[@Sovrakha]

Do you mean 1440p? Sometimes if your connection isnt great, or if you're on WiFi, or if KZbin itself is being slow, it will downscale the video quality to a lower resolution until a more stable connection resumes. However, If you're watching at only 144p then it will always be blurry 😉

[@CasualDrives]

I record at 50. But the one that really matters is the bitrate after edit. I render out at 35 and the video looks like crap after youtube compression. Especially for videos that has a lot of movement or trees and leaves. I think 50 is required to get a decent video on youtube. I.e Record at 50 - edit and render at 50.

[@Sovrakha]

The rendering bitrate matters too, yes. However KZbin's compression and video codecs are really what make the difference here. If you upload a 1080p video, and it has less than a certain number of views (I think it's under 1000), it will use the AVC codec, which looks like crap on KZbin. If you upload at least a 1440p resolution video, it will automatically be uploaded to KZbin using the VP9 codec, which looks much better. So, unfortunately I've found that it's difficult to test quality comparisons on KZbin unless you're able to consistently get that VP9 codec playback, and the only way to do that is to either get a decent amount of views on your video so KZbin upgrades the quality, or upload at a minimum of 1440p. You COULD Record at 1080p and render in post at 1440p to force the VP9 codec when uploading to KZbin, but that's up to you to decide. I hope this helps!

[@CasualDrives]

@@Sovrakha ohh, thanks, man. I kind of guessed it had something to do with the view count. I'm a fairly new channel and only gets like below 50 views so thanks for the 1440p trick. I'm gonna try that to get better quality.

[@masterlee1988]

@@CasualDrives I would upload at least in 4k for higher use of bitrate compared to 1440p.

[@SilverBirb]

Okay so k actually think that 720p30fps 5000kbps would be fine no one whould no any different like sharpness doesn't matter a lot as long as the video is good quality people will be okay at 30fps looks the same has 60 too so if you have anything that could make a smaller size and more sharp you can tell me :)

[@safetek9150]

I have speed connection 950mb download and 190mb upload....i set cbr 200.000 kbps for max fluidity, I don't know how it is possible. If i set minor bitrate there is stuttering. i have ryzen 7 3700x, gtx 1070, 16gb ram 3733mhz and windows 10. Monitor asus 144hz, no gsync. i try with nvenc cqp (15-20) but is not stable and quality is not good, so i choose x264 with crf (15-20), vbr, but best results with cbr 200,000 kbps for gameplay 1920x1080 60fps (bilinear because there's no scaling) color space 709 partial. After editing, with sony vegas, i render the video in 2560x1440 for have vp9 on youtube (best quality and no pixel), always 60fps and with maximum bps 240.000.000 and avarage 200.000.000., encoder NV, preset high quality, RC mode: cbr high quality and video rendering quality: best. I try all combinations for hours and hours...and maybe this is best output but.... I'm not an expert on these things and probably for many, I wrote nonsense!!! if anyone wants to help me understand something I would be grateful to him!!! thanks and sorry for my horrible english.

[@SilverBirb]

Right but 5000kbps that is 40× less storge looks about the same with 720p at 30fps 99.99% of the viewers would be fine with it at So 720p30fps 5000kbps is the way to go

[@BOBAH-HA]

Constant bitrate is very bad idea for recording. Use CRF/CQP/VBR_HQ with constant quality setting, depending on the encoder. It's more efficient space-wise.

[@Sovrakha]

I wouldn't say it's very bad, but it is one method for recording. I personally have been using CQP for my recordings lately, but CBR is still viable. So I recorded these visual examples of different bitrates to help those who want to use it.

[@BOBAH-HA]

@@Sovrakha It's not bad as bad, but it's most non-efficient method of recording. An OK for beginners since it's as simple as a rock. It's good for livestreaming, where the net can have difficulties in handling bitrate fluctuations. But for offline it is least efficient method. You're wasting your drive space on low complexity scenes and high complexity ones are limited in bitrate with the value you set. With constant compression (CQP) you can have same file size (average bitrate) as with CBR, but overall quality will be much better. Even more better if you use nvenc VBR_HQ with cq parameter (constant quality) trough custom ffmpeg in OBS.

[@sanssnas6252]

does upload speed and bitrate matter when recording, because i can only see articles about streaming does this need very high upload speed?

[@danischannel]

For streaming the lower optimum bitrates are better . Uploading to websites needs higher bitrate for better quality videos

[@Sovrakha]

So sorry for the late reply, No, upload speed does not matter when recording. It's only applicable to streaming. If you are recording, your only interest in this case is the bitrate. Bitrate is relative to your resolution (720p, 1080p, etc). The higher your resolution, the more bitrate you'll need to capture detail. Think of resolution as how many pixels there are, and think of bitrate as how many of those pixels are being captured.

[@visualizer1609]

is bitrate make gpu usage higher?

[@Sovrakha]

It will increase the load on whichever encoder you are using; If recording and you are encoding with the CPU, it will increase CPU usage. If encoding with GPU, it will increase GPU usage. If streaming, it will increase CPU usage even if encoding with GPU (streaming requires CPU usage)

[@damienholland8103]

I keep recording and comparing 25mbps and 50 mbps bitrate and still can't see the difference. And if I look at 02:00 showing a comparison between the two I also don't notice much difference at all. I'll stick with 25. I was recording at 50 until I saw some KZbin videos on this subject. Still not sure what framerate to use, though.

[@Sovrakha]

In that case 25mbps is fine, it's still a good bitrate for recording at 1080p. As for framerates - for gameplay I would recommend recording at 60fps if your computer can handle it, otherwise 30fps is fine. I wouldn't recommend using 24fps to record gameplay

[@damienholland8103]

@@Sovrakha Thanks, I really appreciate your response.

[@masterlee1988]

@@damienholland8103 Always use 60fps, nothing lower than that. Using below that means KZbin will compress the video more as lower framerate also means lower bitrate. In certain games there's a difference between 25mbps and 50mbps as compression can happen a lot more at 25mbps, those that are really fast moving and have a lot of graphical effects.

[@damienholland8103]

@@masterlee1988 My current recording setting for Apex Legends is this: 25mbps, 60fps, 1080p. Then I change the video to 1440p and upload it to KZbin so it gets the vp9 instead of the avc codec. I think I figured it out but it took some time to understand.

[@masterlee1988]

@@damienholland8103 It's better to use 4k than 1440p for higher bitrate support. KZbin at 1440p uses around up to 15mbps while 4k on KZbin uses up to around 30mbps. I been doing upscaling to 4k for years and it's paying off, though I also do native 4k as well recently.

[@mateorobledo7222]

Seeing as I don’t have a monitor and is forced to use a freakin 4096x2160!! I don’t know how to calculate my nitrates💀

[@krishthakur_37]

I think 50 mbps is perfect for best results 🤔

[@masterlee1988]

It's the minimum for 4k.

[@shyguyid]

how about recording 30mbps on H265 vs 50mbps H264 which one better for KZbin?

[@Sovrakha]

Not a clue, I don't know the first thing about H265 vs H264 or the quality differences, sorry mate. I can say this though; KZbin will cripple your quality if you don't reach a certain view count, or upload at at least 1440p If you upload at 1080p or below, KZbin will display your video using the lower quality AVC codec until your video gets above 1000 views (I might be wrong on the specific number), when it will be automatically upgraded to the VP9 codec, which is better quality. Just something to keep in mind. You can get around this by recording at 1080p, but rendering and uploading at 1440p in your video editor. Personal choice, but I wanted to mention it in case the best image quality is what's important to you.

[@masterlee1988]

ShyGuyID 50mbps H264 will be better if you upload in 4k, in fact the main reason to even use H265 is to upload in 8k on KZbin, and yes KZbin supports 8k though it currently takes a beefy PC to render 8k videos.

[@surajjerial7816]

what is best bitrate without loosing quality for full hd gameplay recording not streaming?

[@Sovrakha]

1080p video doesn't need to be recorded at anything higher than 50mb/s for the highest quality. Sorry for my incredibly late reply.

[@surajjerial7816]

@@Sovrakha thanks i record in very good quality but when i upload on youtube quality little bit is worst because of compress,what i can do and how to upload without loosing quality?

[@Sovrakha]

@@surajjerial7816 KZbin will reduce the quality of your videos if it's uploaded at 1080p with under 1000 views. You can bypass this by recording at 1080p, but rendering at 1440p using your video editor, then uploading the 1440p video. Another tip: The higher the bitrate of your footage, the more KZbin will compress it. KZbin only recommends uploading 1080p footage at 12mb/s, which means they probably will compress your video to around there if you upload something higher. Try rendering the same video at different bitrates (once at 12mb/s and once at 50mb/s as an example), and upload them to youtube as private videos so you can see the quality differences between them and if it makes a difference. I hope this helps!

[@surajjerial7816]

@@Sovrakha thanks

[@Tonyhgaming]

hay lắm a

[@thebuddercweeper]

I don't want my videos to look awful, but I'm dreading 184MB/minute files 😑

[@Airidauskis]

Is this recording on CBR or VBR? pls tell me

[@Sovrakha]

CBR

[@SeanyKrabs]

I record 1440p at 24 mb/s because it’s the recommended amount from KZbin.

[@Sovrakha]

Keep in mind that recording quality and render quality (for youtube) should be considered separate things. The higher the quality the recording (higher resolution/bitrate), the higher quality the render will be (even if rendered at lower quality). So recording at 1440p 50+mb/s and rendering/uploading at 1440p 24mb/s will be higher quality than just recording and uploading at 1440p 24mb/s. Higher resolutions require a higher bitrate for capturing the quality of the image more accurately.

[@SeanyKrabs]

@@Sovrakha but the same amount of data is leaving the encoder.

[@Sovrakha]

@@SeanyKrabs The higher you keep your base quality, the higher the resulting end quality will be. Encoding in real-time when recording is also different to rendering your final product in a video editor (Sony Vegas, DaVinci Resolve, Etc.) Basically the higher quality you can keep it before it hits KZbin, the better it will look on YT. But there is a point of diminishing returns. That point is up to you to decide, as everyone sees things differently. I hope this helps

[@cmoneytheman]

use 50 folks yall notice before he zooms in 50 compared to 80 is not much difference

[@darrenjulian]

Which rate control is this?

[@Sovrakha]

CBR - Constant Bitrate

[@darrenjulian]

@@Sovrakha Ok i want to ask, how much bitrate do you recommended for 1080p 60 fps

[@orgla]

Sooooo, who watched Sovrakha back in 2016?

[@Sovrakha]

I did!

[@coxey2797]

hello sovrakha, are you good today?

[@Sovrakha]

I am good :) How are you?

[@coxey2797]

@@Sovrakha I am doing fine thank you :)

[@Sovrakha]

I am happy to hear this!

[@coxey2797]

:D I am on a budget and I would really like to get a 24 inch 120hz monitor, any ideas? Preferably less than $150 as I am only 13

[@Sovrakha]

I'm not very educated on monitors, so I can't help too much, but I can try to point you in the right direction! Be sure to check prices on both 120hz AND 144hz monitors, because it looks like 144hz is more available and cheaper right now. (at least where I am). My boy Tim From HWUB just uploaded a video 2 weeks ago on budget monitors, and in the first 4 minutes he mentions four monitors that are each 24" 1080p 144hz for around $200. Watch it here: kzbin.info/www/bejne/joKnomtri9B5hLM $150 might be a little tricky to work with when buying a high refresh rate monitor, sorry my dude

[@coronaklledmebot4856]

i recorded 1080p in 20,000 kbps :)

[@SilverBirb]

8000 is a ok bitrate

[@Bendymendey]

Wait isnt 1mbps = 1000 kbps? Correct me if I am wrong.

[@commonman9782]

1 mbps = 1024 kbps

[@_xewo_9856]

Interesting video 💪 but codec? Preset?

[@Sovrakha]

I believe at the time I was using NVENC (new), CBR, Max Quality. Edit: Just checked - Yep, I'm using NVENC H.264 (New), CBR, Max Quality preset, profile is set to High. Psycho Visual Tuning is enabled.

[@_xewo_9856]

@@Sovrakha thanks for the prompt reply, I record with x264, but I noticed that more than the "preset" counts the bitrate in the recording with OBS .. too bad I use Filmora and over 150,000 kbit / s it doesn't edit: I use Preset medium, 150,000 kbit / s, Profile main, the video comes out very clean but when I load it on youtube I lose all the quality ... maybe recording in 4k is the solution?

[@Sovrakha]

@@_xewo_9856 If you're using x264 then yes, the preset will also make a big difference in quality. I looked at your most recent video and it looks like the quality is good, but being crippled by KZbin. Here's the thing about KZbin - If you upload a video at 1080p or lower, KZbin will upload it using a low quality codec. So even if you record your clips and render them in Filmora @ 150,000 kb/s, KZbin is going to compress it heavily. KZbin recommends uploading 1080p 60fps videos at 12,000 kb/s, so any bitrate higher than that is going to be lost at 1080p, ON TOP of the fact that KZbin is going to use a low quality codec. The solution; Record at, OR render your final video at 1440p. KZbin uses the VP9 codec for videos uploaded at 1440p or higher. The VP9 codec is much better than the codec they use for videos at 1080p and lower resolutions. You can either record your clips at 1440p and then render them in filmora at 1440p, OR you can continue recording at 1080p and place them on a 1440p timeline in Filmora, then render the video in Filmora at 1440p. Finally; if you only plan on uploading to youtube, you probably don't need to use a bitrate higher than 50,000. However - If you still plan on using high bitrates to record, try rendering your final video in Filmora at 1440p and 24,000 kb/s. I hope this wall of text helps lol

[@_xewo_9856]

@@Sovrakha I thank you infinitely and yes this wall xD helped me to understand ... in the meantime I subscribe to your channel because you were very kind to answer me so quickly and I will bring the advice you gave me :) I try and if I really gain quality I will have to buy myself a 4k monitor xD

[@Sovrakha]

@@_xewo_9856 Good luck! :D