The BEST Catamaran That I've Seen So Far [Full Tour] Learning the Lines

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Learning the Lines

Learning the Lines

Күн бұрын

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@LearningtheLines
@LearningtheLines 2 жыл бұрын
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@vxnova1
@vxnova1 2 жыл бұрын
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@TheWhalevideo
@TheWhalevideo 2 жыл бұрын
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@watermarksailing
@watermarksailing 2 жыл бұрын
Very nice cat. We currently own an earlier version of this vessel and can testify to its awesomeness. We sail her as a young family of four and routinely do double digits conservatively. Light. Fast. Strong. Timeless. Congratulations to all that delivered this Grainger. Edit. I posted my comment before seeing any others. Tough crowd maybe. I note that it is much cheaper, classier and easier to line the inside of a boat, but it adds lots of weight. The man hours to fair one cabin can be mind blowing and comes at a cost ironically. We find it great with young kids as everything wipes off. We have a traditional cockpit/steering thus can’t comment on the forward cockpit.
@jbl7092
@jbl7092 2 жыл бұрын
Amazing design. Forward cockpit with the safety of an interior helm beats the hell out of hanging out in the back of the boat on a night passage. Finally, an improvement over sailboats that all have the same lackluster 19th Century interiors. Sail handling from the front cockpit on this cat will be a huge improvement over running forward to lower sail in bad weather. Kudos to the designers!
@tonys2957
@tonys2957 2 жыл бұрын
Cool boat, also love the forward cockpit. One thing I would address is lack of sailing instruments easily visible from the helm. Unless I missed it, you would need to lean to port and the nav desk to see any instruments, plotter, radar, etc. ... ? Perhaps a tablet mounted in front of the wheel would work?
@Useless_Knowledge07
@Useless_Knowledge07 2 жыл бұрын
This is a Masterpiece! I look forward to watching you fly her!!
@tomwilliams8675
@tomwilliams8675 2 жыл бұрын
My first thought was who was going to shatter that glass falling into it in heavy weather climbing back into the rear deck. Nothing supports the glass in a spot for a hand hold.
@scyz2807
@scyz2807 2 жыл бұрын
That's probably the kind of glass that is super strong. It could also be polycarbonate/Lexan. The maker would be crazy to put something there that could break/shatter and hurt someone.
@tomwilliams8675
@tomwilliams8675 2 жыл бұрын
@@scyz2807 It still looks dangerous, don't you think it should have some type of hand rail to hold onto as you get climb back in? Just my thoughts. Style over function I guess.
@ysesq
@ysesq 2 жыл бұрын
@@tomwilliams8675 no one is gonna climb anywhere. its $2.1 mil. its going to sit at a dock and be used for dinner parties with a pro crew hired to move it between marinas. there isnt even any helm seating or any way of adjusting sails and steering at the same time..
@oceanbnd
@oceanbnd 2 жыл бұрын
I hope it’s great on performance, because that looks minimalist for the steep price. I like that it’s a “diesel” electric hybrid. Didn’t see where the batteries or generator were…. Thanks for the tour
@mikemendes7598
@mikemendes7598 2 жыл бұрын
The only way the forward cockpit works is if there's an outside wheel as well as an inside wheel, Like Chris White designs. Having the ONLY wheel be inside and no place to sit is stupid. What if I want to steer outside in nice weather? Where do my guests sit while we enjoy a lovely sailing day? So much of the rest of it looks very nice and well thought out, but this is a deal killer in my mind.
@oceanbnd
@oceanbnd 2 жыл бұрын
Amen, Chris White designs are the best I’ve seen so far
@LoanwordEggcorn
@LoanwordEggcorn 2 жыл бұрын
I liked the cockpit better than the rest of the boat. I suppose folks could sit around the deck and steps of the forward cockpit, like on a Chris White boat and maybe reach back to the helm, but that would seem awkward. The whole design seems odd and poorly thought out. And Chris White designs are much better. His design solutions are some of the best thought out that I've seen.
@rumbepack
@rumbepack Жыл бұрын
Gunboats have has this configuration while being able to win regatas and do 300 nautical mile days.
@pred7949
@pred7949 8 ай бұрын
​@@oceanbndgeneric american opinions are so redundant
@pred7949
@pred7949 8 ай бұрын
Mike, did your mother drink all the beer in your village while she was pregnant with you or are you just naturally slow?
@fahaway3468
@fahaway3468 2 жыл бұрын
This video provided more questions than answers..
@BeingWolfy
@BeingWolfy 2 жыл бұрын
Beautiful boat. Does the forward helm station and cockpit make it harder to see when docking? It seems like the visibility wouldn't be that great in this case.
@cairohollingsworth2272
@cairohollingsworth2272 2 жыл бұрын
Totally blind in a Marina or club... getting some Diesel for generator's. Definately need a crew or a few!
@BeingWolfy
@BeingWolfy 2 жыл бұрын
@@cairohollingsworth2272 - Thanks, Cairo.
@kirkb3473
@kirkb3473 2 жыл бұрын
Fantastic cat for sure! I just did not care for the outside space in the cockpit. When we are out sailing, we are rarely in the saloon, and although it's open and airy, I knew instantly it was not for us. That's the compromise I understand with having the forward helm station which I do really like. It's interesting that you like this better than the Kinetic 54 which seemed like a significant upgrade to me personally, but it is great to have choices! The HH50 is a full Carbon Fiber boat, and you can get a forward helm option for the same price tag...first world problems lol.
@frederickdvorak6502
@frederickdvorak6502 2 жыл бұрын
Nice. What happens when it's cold, raining or stormy (with lots of water over the bow), and you need to access the lines?
@Useless_Knowledge07
@Useless_Knowledge07 2 жыл бұрын
You'll be sailing! You will not need to go far to manage the lines?
@emilybh6255
@emilybh6255 2 жыл бұрын
It doesn't look like you can see the mainsail from the navigation station or the helm. On a sailboat, I want to be able to see 100% of the sails from the helm.
@AORD72
@AORD72 2 жыл бұрын
True, wonder if you could have a big sunroof/skylight with sliding shade. Also I wonder if cameras could provide the required views.
@emilybh6255
@emilybh6255 2 жыл бұрын
@@AORD72 When you are out on the ocean, the less trust you have to put into "technology" the better. You need to be able to see what is going on directly with your eyes. In a storm with big waves, salt water spotting up a camera lense which blurs your only mode of visibility is NOT going to help you and could be outright dangerous.
@222INFINITY
@222INFINITY 2 жыл бұрын
The main salon is decent, below deck looks like a home build, aft cockpit? Certainly not what you'd expect to find on a 54' boat. This boat would be over priced at $700K, if customers are going in at $2.1 mil, I'd say to the builder, keep it up, you don't need a gun to rob folks!!!
@joethorn.2036
@joethorn.2036 2 жыл бұрын
Seem like it would be a nightmare to dock short handed. Also Im digging the long hair.
@1ofInterest
@1ofInterest 2 жыл бұрын
check out the forward cockpit on the Gunboat 66. absolutely excellent cockpit.
@LoanwordEggcorn
@LoanwordEggcorn 2 жыл бұрын
Gunboats were inspired by Chris White's Atlantic catamarans. Be sure to check those out.
@Aeroworks540
@Aeroworks540 2 жыл бұрын
Hows the tri comming? We just had the same thing pop up and bought a f-31 that needed some work in baltimore!
@jonathanleonard1152
@jonathanleonard1152 2 жыл бұрын
The “desk area” is a dressing area. Helps when putting on pants, socks and shoes.
@wmstone3914
@wmstone3914 2 жыл бұрын
I do love it. But at $2.1m there are plenty of other performance yachts I personally like better.
@islandbound63
@islandbound63 2 жыл бұрын
There's no way that's the best catamaran out there. Not even close
@dmitch1177
@dmitch1177 2 жыл бұрын
Just not a fan of the forward cockpit. What happens in heavy weather?
@clivestainlesssteelwomble7665
@clivestainlesssteelwomble7665 2 жыл бұрын
They mostly stay dry and are built to drain from full go empty in seconds. They are as he said performance boats built for fast safe sailing. The sailing test will be interesting..
@brankobiber2881
@brankobiber2881 2 жыл бұрын
I guess you also stay dry when tacking and adjusting sails
@donaldvanvliet9039
@donaldvanvliet9039 2 жыл бұрын
@@brankobiber2881 put on a raincoat dude…it’s weird when people complain they might get wet on a freakin sailboat.
@brankobiber2881
@brankobiber2881 2 жыл бұрын
@@donaldvanvliet9039 It's fine to get wet in warm weather but not so much in cold....and be also fully exposed to the wind. In most catamarans you can be fully protected from the weather and huge waves... not so much in this one. What if you have bad conditions for a few days in longer passage in colder areas?
@donaldvanvliet9039
@donaldvanvliet9039 2 жыл бұрын
@@brankobiber2881 you know you don’t have to stay outside the whole time right…you just pop outside to trim the sails and then you can go back inside and sit protected behind the wheel with a nice cup of tea. Btw i sail in the northsea on a monohull, being outside in the cold and wind is part of it.
@jackchen5290
@jackchen5290 2 жыл бұрын
Always curious how you dock this boat, with nearly zero visibility of the 4 corners from that helm position. I guess there’s a camera on top of the mast?
@dancarter482
@dancarter482 2 жыл бұрын
Set out fenders ahead of time, hover alongside target to get wind/current direction then use alternate motor thrust to 'walk' sideways up to position where you squeeze the fenders until the motors hold you in place. Then just drop loops over cleats/bollards ashore using a boat hook .....
@jacksbackable
@jacksbackable 2 жыл бұрын
@@dancarter482 😆😂🤣
@rogwen
@rogwen 2 жыл бұрын
I was surprised to see that side window glass with it's exposed end. Given that the boat will be moving in unexpected ways and that this results in the people on board doing the same, it looks to me like a potential serious injury just waiting for someone negotiating those steps. There are also a lot of sharp corners in the interior and no rounded edges. During my limited experience I developed a liking for fiddles, rounded table corners, and shower seats, none of which appeared here.
@atxsailor452
@atxsailor452 2 жыл бұрын
!00% on the exposed glass edge!!!
@CorwynGC
@CorwynGC 2 жыл бұрын
@@atxsailor452 It is presumably thick tempered glass, like you would see in a shower door. No worse than any other 1/2" thick exposed piece of some other material (which isn't great to be sure).
@atxsailor452
@atxsailor452 2 жыл бұрын
@@CorwynGC Regardless of the material they should have put. something to soften the exposed edge.
@LoanwordEggcorn
@LoanwordEggcorn 2 жыл бұрын
Agree, lots of hard corners, underbeveled edges, etc. It really doesn't feel like it was designed for sailing.
@pred7949
@pred7949 8 ай бұрын
Im convinced that none of you khunts have ever sat foot on a catamaran. Y'all sound old as hell
@butterflysrage
@butterflysrage 2 жыл бұрын
pardon the newbee question... but wouldn't that forward cockpit have issues in rough seas if a wave swamped the deck?
@donaldvanvliet9039
@donaldvanvliet9039 2 жыл бұрын
No, there are drains that euh….drain the forward cockpit, just like there are for when a rough following sea fills your aft cockpit.
@eljefe1153
@eljefe1153 2 жыл бұрын
Yes I like it too. Like the Maine cats, especially the MC 38. Thanks for the video.
@troz451
@troz451 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks. Good review as always. Say hello to Randy.
@sccarguy8242
@sccarguy8242 2 жыл бұрын
That cockpit concerns me for one reason, it’s wide open to the front. If you hit rain, and have to drop/adjust the sails as soon as you open the Solon doors, it’s going to get soaked as the rain will literally be pushed in by the motion of the boat. Maybe it’s just me.
@clivestainlesssteelwomble7665
@clivestainlesssteelwomble7665 2 жыл бұрын
Close the door behind you? Plus its quite sheltered from anything but going straight into the wind...where you're like as not going to be under power. 👍🏼
@michaelbarker742
@michaelbarker742 2 жыл бұрын
Those hulls are narrow for that length of cat.
@lancedaniels
@lancedaniels 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for posting and sharing. Really nice looking boat.
@LaughterOnWater
@LaughterOnWater 2 жыл бұрын
Great design for a fast boat. Surprised the owners side is _not_ starboard side. Interior colors are great. The cabinetry has sharp corners -- less than ideal when passage making in confused sea states. Similarly, not sure how well the front helm will drain in heavy weather. I don't think I could purchase this at the asking price.
@drkmn3112
@drkmn3112 2 жыл бұрын
Certainly an interesting boat. Very suitable for a family with young kid 😉😉
@DaBinChe
@DaBinChe 2 жыл бұрын
Front helm with door is great for nice weather cruising but horrible for bad weather blue water passage.
@danieloliver20
@danieloliver20 2 жыл бұрын
That front cockpit would be a problem in rough seas/weather. How fast can the scuppers deal with a large wave filling that cockpit. Also would water eventually flow under the door seals? Not that I could afford the $2.1mill, but too much "luxury condo", not enough of a hardy cruiser, IMHO.
@thomasburgess4712
@thomasburgess4712 2 жыл бұрын
This is definitely a debate that will rage on but don't knock it until you sailed it. We've put 35,000 miles on a Chris White Atlantic 48 with a forward cockpit. Sailed from Newport RI, all through the Caribbean, thru the Panama Canal and across the Pacific down to NZ. We sailed in ever type of weather you can imagine. A high bridge deck, light build (not over loaded) and smart seamanship is the key. On the Chris White we have two helms. The primary helm is in the outside cockpit and we have a second helm inside. The forward cockpit is 10 feet from the edge of the boat. Incredibly safe and dry. Up wind in 20 knots true with 6 to 8 foot seas and you are wishing a splash will cool you down. The water does not make it to the cockpit. See video (not professional) - kzbin.info/www/bejne/fHbPfImclLacrck. Heavy weather - we've seen it. +50kts and seas as big as the boat is long. I spent 8 hours at the inside helm with complete control and totally dry. Sure, waves hit the forward windows in that storm but the cockpit was never close to filling with water. Maybe an inch or less before the scuppers flushed. In fact, access to the mast and headsail was so safe we made several sail adjustments and pushed through the front in active sailing mode. We've owned and sailed many different types of catamarans with all the different helm stations. I just encourage people to try the forward set up.
@danieloliver20
@danieloliver20 2 жыл бұрын
@@thomasburgess4712 thanks for the reply Thomas, it's great to hear real world experience... Cheers 🍻
@LoanwordEggcorn
@LoanwordEggcorn 2 жыл бұрын
@@thomasburgess4712 Chris White's boats are much better designed than this one.
@Toffie10
@Toffie10 2 жыл бұрын
Avery nice boat, BUT, you have to tie the enjine hatches with a rope? Goodness, have the never heard of gas lifters?
@mountainmandale1587
@mountainmandale1587 2 жыл бұрын
I looked at this boat down in florida, and it was not put together by people who knew what they were doing. It should be half the price in my opinion.
@tylerwalz1
@tylerwalz1 2 жыл бұрын
Agreed. For that price, every aspect should be thoughtful as opposed to a) putting “seating areas” anywhere they weren’t sure what to do, b) very restrictive engine access with under-sized doors, c) an emergency hatch in the FORWARD berth where it’s likely to get pounded in rough weather, and d) a comically tiny and useless cockpit for a 50’+ boat.
@LoanwordEggcorn
@LoanwordEggcorn 2 жыл бұрын
@John Galt In a monohull. In a multihull with foam core, you can float with few enough flooded compartments.
@GrantGrove
@GrantGrove 2 жыл бұрын
That’s a condo cat for sure in the layout. Fast and comfy.
@SeaSential
@SeaSential 2 жыл бұрын
How do i dock it ? Cameras i assume .. for a couple this boat is beautiful.. just wondering how we manage short crewed
@dougscott8161
@dougscott8161 2 жыл бұрын
The impression I get from this boat is "Roomy, but Cramped".... I see lots of storage space and lots of living facilities, but every thing is cramped together, but I guess that is what gives it the performance/cruise combination. The price is awfully high, but then it is a practically new boat.
@LoanwordEggcorn
@LoanwordEggcorn 2 жыл бұрын
The combination is the result of bad designs. There are lots of other performance cats with more practical and humane interiors, for example.
@niccolobonferroni1244
@niccolobonferroni1244 2 жыл бұрын
If u like forward cockpit, have a look at Windelo
@johnharshaw1682
@johnharshaw1682 6 ай бұрын
What kind of navigational equipment does it have on star or what?
@scyz2807
@scyz2807 2 жыл бұрын
Yup, I looked at that price and thought, "Where I live I could buy 10 really nice houses for that money." Now there are places where one house (like ones in my area) could go for that 2.1 million, but I, happily, don't live there. This is a nice looking cat even though I lean towards monohulls. Besides purchase price I wonder what it would cost to keep it in a marina when it's not being sailed?
@LoanwordEggcorn
@LoanwordEggcorn 2 жыл бұрын
Berthing fees vary a lot by location. Monaco is different from South Carolina is different from Mexico is different from Hawaii is different from Thailand, etc. In the U.S. it could be a few hundred dollars a month to keep it in a marina.
@SuperJlonergan
@SuperJlonergan 2 жыл бұрын
one prob...i wonder if take a wave over front those verticle small windows look like theyd blow right through....if slanted much less likely
@secondwindadventures1646
@secondwindadventures1646 2 жыл бұрын
Great review of this boat! It wasn’t in Annapolis in 2021 so we didn’t see it. We love the forward center helm as well but these hulls are so narrow to the point of claustrophobia. Both the HH and Kinetic have far more usable living space and you still get the wind speed performance you’re looking for. I did a lot of research into electric sail drives and the whole hybrid thing and my own conclusion was that the energy density required in the batteries is not quite there yet - backup generators defeats the purpose. If you followed Jimmy Cornell’s Elcano circumnavigation attempt with a hybrid boat like this he abandoned his attempt and came to the same conclusion. For us, when we’re ready to circumnavigate, this tech does not give us the confidence and safety we are looking for - IMHO. On another note - I like that bamboo interior - gotta show that to the admiral…
@tomriley5790
@tomriley5790 2 жыл бұрын
Jimmy Cornell abandoned his circumnavigation because he had a stroke. The whole point of electric performance catamaran is to sail it and use regen to generate power, rather than a generator. I also don't see how having a hybrid generator defeats the point - you have a generator with a fuel based engine....
@secondwindadventures1646
@secondwindadventures1646 2 жыл бұрын
@@tomriley5790 This is a direct quote from Cornell's Blog...By the time we reached Tenerife, we had sailed over 2000 miles and despite all efforts, we failed to maintain a sustainable balance between consumption and regeneration of electricity. I knew that Tenerife was the point of no return, as sailing south from there we would be committed to a circumnavigation and I felt that in its present state Aventura Zero would not be able to safely achieve the aim of zero emissions. Fact Check - that was before his stoke. Hybrid is not zero emissions. I'm not in disagreement that electric power is not the future - I'm just saying that for the typical blue water cruiser - it's not prime time and IMHO - i'm not willing to take the risk.
@dancarter482
@dancarter482 2 жыл бұрын
@@secondwindadventures1646 Same. Diesel hybrid is the way to go. Separate diesel and electric motors that can both drive the same shaft for redundancy/re-gen.
@secondwindadventures1646
@secondwindadventures1646 2 жыл бұрын
@@dancarter482 Funny you mention this… we were looking at this exact configuration on the HH44. At the time we were spec’ing out a HH50/55 and we asked them what it would cost to upgrade/mod to add inline hybrid but alas… it was quite expensive and we backed off that option as it required a design change from sail drive to shaft drive. They didn’t really share any real world performance as far as how assist or runtime on electric alone - so I wasn’t sure how much cleaner or fuel efficient this was going to be given the huge cost upgrade. The other issue here was that I was going to have to add a bigger battery bank to support this, and this adds significant weight - I was concerned that the performance boat we were going to buy was going to turn out to be not so performance oriented due to weight. Anyway - I was so hopeful that this would work but from my perspective it was back to the issue of energy density/capacity in the batteries. We’ve owned a Tesla for 11 years now and believe in the future of battery electric tech, it’s just too bad there are no superchargers out at sea ;)
@dancarter482
@dancarter482 2 жыл бұрын
@@secondwindadventures1646 As the state of the art stands right now, there's no better bang for your buck than diesel! Electric would have to be a complementary enhancement and not an impediment - so heavy batteries is a deal breaker.
@donmcneal233
@donmcneal233 2 жыл бұрын
So...., that's a performance vessel huh? Narrow hulls & most of the spaciness is top side, nice sail rigs cockpit & adjustable helm wheel, ok; yet the extended sugar scoops are great! Not to keen about what I'm now learning what a performance catamaran is. You're right though, narrow hulls. Naaa!
@Useless_Knowledge07
@Useless_Knowledge07 2 жыл бұрын
I like this boat too! Not for 2.1 million? I'll have to watch again later. 2.1 million??
@robertfrederick9061
@robertfrederick9061 2 жыл бұрын
Unless I'm missing something seems like 8 solar panels are sparse for an "all electric" sailing vessel unless you plan on running the genset a bunch. It is priced in the same space as massively solar paneled "power cats". Interior spaces are designed more as "pods" for cooking or Navigating or whatever else & not particularly pleasing,
@LoanwordEggcorn
@LoanwordEggcorn 2 жыл бұрын
It's probably enough solar to replenish most house loads, but more would be better. There's also the generator, and possibly hydrogeneration (regeneration from sail power). I really don't like this design, the more I think about it, for some of the same reasons you mention.
@donaldlovegrove1754
@donaldlovegrove1754 Ай бұрын
It's inconceivable to not have intruments and chart plotter at the helm. No instrument redundancy.
@s3p4kner
@s3p4kner 2 жыл бұрын
Some innovative features, yet I felt the boat seemed cramped compared to other designs of this size. Steps placed in the way of people boarding, sideways past the helm station to get into the hulls et.c. I hope the performance is really excellent for the $$$.
@jadpratt
@jadpratt 2 жыл бұрын
Yo! What happened to your Learning the Reef channel? How did the 10 gallon nano tank turn out??
@mikesampson2336
@mikesampson2336 2 жыл бұрын
That’s a nice 👍 boat !!
@GuyCruls
@GuyCruls 2 жыл бұрын
if the desktop has a hinge, making the top double the depth when unfolded, then it'll make more sense than what we see.
@captguitarj
@captguitarj 2 жыл бұрын
Corsair F27 progress?
@Useless_Knowledge07
@Useless_Knowledge07 2 жыл бұрын
Rapido 40 - 50 and Corsair 37, 40 would be nice to tour and or review.
@chikken_soup
@chikken_soup 2 жыл бұрын
I'd like to see you review the Windelo 50 when it makes its debut in the US
@davidmoore5021
@davidmoore5021 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for sharing
@GuyCruls
@GuyCruls 2 жыл бұрын
with that degree of hull-narrowing, I'd want that thing to be able to reach 20 knots in 20 knots of wind without batting an eyelid, otherwise not for me. and also, I’d want it to move at 5 knots in 5 knots of wind
@jamesaron1967
@jamesaron1967 2 жыл бұрын
Exactly, it's downright claustrophobic in the hulls. Maybe it's just poor design but there are other narrow hull cats with better use of space. There are a few manufacturers nowadays that have models which can do 20kts with superior luxury. HH comes to mind and you also have the option of a forward helm.
@mikeg6606
@mikeg6606 2 жыл бұрын
Lovely boat. But whoah, US$2.1 mill is a lot of money. I'd hope to see every major builder move toward electic/solar/wind from here on.
@sailingsolo5290
@sailingsolo5290 2 жыл бұрын
I still dreaming about that oyster 66 you did, thats my dream.
@moderation7337
@moderation7337 2 жыл бұрын
the exposed glass edge on the side of the cockpit... that's a no go. if it's glass it's a hazard, if it's lexan it's not gonna last and look pretty.. boat looks absolutely incredible overall
@moderation7337
@moderation7337 2 жыл бұрын
if it's some entirely new material that I don't know about then I'll giggle like a child and put a new poster on my wall 😂
@monsterhog1118
@monsterhog1118 2 жыл бұрын
Well I like the bunk beds
@jamielancaster01
@jamielancaster01 2 жыл бұрын
Nice but no where near $2.1 Million nice! That helm & tiny cockpit is a NO-GO🤮 But love the review!
@philzail2532
@philzail2532 2 жыл бұрын
If they revolutionize solar panels. Lighter, cheaper, durability from what I've seen? Electric may be the preferred way! Thin film perovskite. Solar sails?
@robertfrederick9061
@robertfrederick9061 2 жыл бұрын
To make the "electric propulsion" actually reliable this cat needs 2+ times the present solar array otherwise all it is is a big while elephant coastal cruiser that needs larger diesel fuel tankage for running the diesel genset. Jordan, to say that the electric propulsion will have limited use is just unrealistic unless the vessel will only be used under ideal wind forecasts. If that is the case what will be its use. The only offset for that is employing a full time wind charting service & following those prevailing winds. Electric propulsion is great for relatively calm conditions where either maneuvering in squall conditions is not required or where the vessel is not becalmed. The vessel's solar array has a limited generation potential so its appliannce use needs to be sized accordingly. The position of the mast step has already limited the available sail area when compared to a more conventional rig. The price point is "jaw dropping" given the footprint.
@LoanwordEggcorn
@LoanwordEggcorn 2 жыл бұрын
I really dislike this particular design, the more I review it. That said, there's nothing wrong with electric drive, with a diesel backup. And it keeps improving as battery costs fall, etc.
@robertfrederick9061
@robertfrederick9061 2 жыл бұрын
@@LoanwordEggcorn Twelve years ago I began learning solar with a 600W residential solar install. I had the foresight to mount the panels on arrays that articulated both horizontally & angled for the earth's seasonal tilt to the sun. By doing this I am able to attain approximately 35 - 40% more energy capture compared to flat mounted panels that only get full perpendicular sun exposure 2 -3 hours /day. Most sailboats are not large enough to have sufficient flat mounted panels to generate the power needed for an "ELECTRIC DRIVE" & the "domestic" needs of the vessel. If the vessel owner had very deep pockets the vessel might be equipped with massive LiFePO4 battery banks but they would need to be recharged under all conditions; for example, cloudy/overcast skies = low solar potential; vessel becalmed = no sail power or wind turbine power=utilizing the electric drive & then the big diesel Genset to recharge the batteries/as well as power the electric propulsion motors. Most electric motors installed in sailing vessels are intended to be used for AUXILIARY propulsion & generally are not powerful enough for inclement weather conditions that are sometimes encountered. I could be mistaken but the current technology slots "ELECTRIC" sailboats in the "Niche" category of "Coastal Cruisers" in ideal atmospheric conditions. If the diesel Genset has to be employed more than 15% of the vessel's operated time then don't annoint the craft with the "ALTERNATE ENERGY" moniker. Have a nice day, cheers
@LoanwordEggcorn
@LoanwordEggcorn 2 жыл бұрын
@@robertfrederick9061 Agree with most of your points, and think you have a pretty clear picture of some of the current situation, BUT: 1. There are already both DIY and commercial electric drive sailboats that have more than enough solar and battery to power all house loads, including air conditioning in the tropics. It's already been done. Most of those are performance-oriented boats that, due to their very good sailing performance, only rare ly need to motor. (The same is true whether the drive is electric or diesel.) I don't have references handy, but it's definitely already been done. Being performance boats, they're generally lighter and more efficient than condomarans and therefore have lighter energy needs. 2. I would never consider an electric drive for global cruising without a diesel backup or generator. Electric drive can work without diesel for coastal cruising, day sails, etc., as you already noted. 3. Conventional diesel generators are poor:. The better way to do it is to either use a parallel hybrid where both the marine Diesel and Electric motor are connected to the prop, or a serial hybrid using a conventional marine propulsion diesel like a Yanmar connected directly to an AC electric motor used as a generator. (Use the same motor as the electric drive for spare parts commonality.) You can run all at cruising power for the same equivalent performance as diesels through a gearbox to the prop. (The losses from a gearbox are similar to the losses from an electric motor and generator. Modern electric motors are very highly efficient, including when used as a generator.) 4. Electric motors needn't be small. There are readily available 35kW (50 hp equivalent) AC induction motors for 1/2 the price of a 10 hp Yanmar. Electric motors for performance per cost are already very low and getting lower. One could fairly easily put 2 x 300 hp Tesla motors on a catamaran. 5. With a serial or parallel hybrid, a smaller battery bank can be used, since the Diesel can be use for long becalmed passages. The battery bank would probably be sized for house loads at anchor. Given that most people anchor in mostly sunny places, the backup generator probably would not need to be used often. Etc. So I think a hybrid drive is already a lot more practical than you seemed to indicate, AND, it's already been done successfully. Keep in mind things in the solar and electric drive/battery space are improving very rapidly, pulled along by millions of land EVs (and solar installations) being built every year, and accelerating.
@High_Desert_Tanner
@High_Desert_Tanner 2 жыл бұрын
Single spreader mast on a 54 ft cat?
@shalaconballard9912
@shalaconballard9912 2 жыл бұрын
As others have found out electric boats are a nice idea but they are not practical at all .
@justincase5272
@justincase5272 2 жыл бұрын
Definitely one of the more intelligence concepts in design.
@jamesaron1967
@jamesaron1967 2 жыл бұрын
The bottom line is the performance that it's capable of, which is not mentioned. It's claustrophobic for a cat of this length, so it better be fast because the trade off wouldn't be worth it, IMO. And by fast I mean over 20kts..
@larryferd1510
@larryferd1510 2 жыл бұрын
Are there any ocean going cats with hybrid diesel for 300,000 or less 😵‍💫
@paulwyand6204
@paulwyand6204 2 жыл бұрын
No, there aren't any new cats in that price range except the Gemini.
@shalaconballard9912
@shalaconballard9912 2 жыл бұрын
That boat is just a big yuppy's toy boat to show off in for a weekend or so lol
@banjonichols3063
@banjonichols3063 2 жыл бұрын
Interesting but it doesn't look comfortable....as far as the helm station....you're "boxed" in.....I do not think it is worth 2 million. Also, what is the range when fully charged?
@bernardbuys5196
@bernardbuys5196 4 ай бұрын
Do u like seaspry
@happysensyhappysensy670
@happysensyhappysensy670 2 жыл бұрын
have a look chris white atlantic 72
@JoeTheLion60
@JoeTheLion60 2 жыл бұрын
No large people on that boat :-)
@pumacat1637
@pumacat1637 2 жыл бұрын
Over 2 million wow it’s nice but I not sure if it’s that nice
@scyz2807
@scyz2807 2 жыл бұрын
Well, it's only 1.5 mil but the dealer has to make their cut too. lol But I wonder how close this is to being true?
@222INFINITY
@222INFINITY 2 жыл бұрын
Why not follow Team Vagabondo to Rapido 60 if you want performance, better price and far superior build, dude!!!!
@LoanwordEggcorn
@LoanwordEggcorn 2 жыл бұрын
Some interesting ideas, particularly the variation of a forward cockpit, but lots of details that seem less than great. Chris White designs are much better.
@clivestainlesssteelwomble7665
@clivestainlesssteelwomble7665 2 жыл бұрын
Designed to keep Sneaker waves out of your aft deck...and as said kids and dogs off the sugar scoops..
@micjailchavezmorejon3140
@micjailchavezmorejon3140 2 жыл бұрын
If I liked it, it's a Coll catamaran, it's not bad but honestly I don't think it's worth that money, but it's just my opinion 😉👍🙌, also it's not very clear to me where all the water would drain that surely falls on the deck forward, in that type of configuration, cordial greetings from Havana 😀🇨🇺✌️🙌⛵🌬️
@zzzxxzzz3248
@zzzxxzzz3248 2 жыл бұрын
E glass and carbon have an electrolysis problem with metal parts ! Metal parts degrade quickly if they aren't isolated ! Should have used s glass with vinyl resin construction ! I'll pass !
@tomriley5790
@tomriley5790 2 жыл бұрын
I don't think there's that problem with E glass (it's still just glass fibre), just with Carbon fibre (Which conducts)
@zzzxxzzz3248
@zzzxxzzz3248 2 жыл бұрын
@@tomriley5790 it's called E glass because the E stands for electric and is used in circuit boards !
@dancarter482
@dancarter482 2 жыл бұрын
@@zzzxxzzz3248 Are you Chris White ??
@zzzxxzzz3248
@zzzxxzzz3248 2 жыл бұрын
@@dancarter482 no
@dancarter482
@dancarter482 2 жыл бұрын
@@Michael-dh2sw It's like all the bitching about aluminium as a construction material - it works perfectly when done right!
@FXPL9277
@FXPL9277 2 жыл бұрын
I understand that this is a performance cat, but hey... What a horrible cockpit, with that awkward placement of the seating positions. Why a single spreader? No grabrails on coachroof. No extraction for the cooktop. Appears to have no rear vision - must be tricky to dock. And also: shared head in a 54'? Other than that, is a really beautiful vessel and probably a lot of fun to sail. Thanks for the review
@svshootingstar
@svshootingstar 2 жыл бұрын
I would absolutely HATE the cockpit forward. The lousy Fischer Panda generator on a $2+million boat is INSANE. The unsupported glass in the aft cockpit is pretty and STUPID. Might be your idea of a great design. Not mine.
@AnthroCryptoDoc
@AnthroCryptoDoc 2 жыл бұрын
Give it a 5 out of 10. Electric boats under sea trial never perform like they do on paper. Warm weather boat only, batteries and solar less effective the farther north you go. Front cockpits and no rake on front windows of yacht will be a hazard in high seas. not much space for a 54 foot yacht and for over $2M. For price performance design and layout not a contender against a Seawind or other similar class. I am in the market for a 50 to 56 footer, would not consider this a blue water boat. Nice to put around the Caribbean, but not a serious boat.
@paulwyand6204
@paulwyand6204 2 жыл бұрын
But not too warm, as no way your going to have A/C.
@LoanwordEggcorn
@LoanwordEggcorn 2 жыл бұрын
@@paulwyand6204 With enough solar and battery, you can do AC without running the generator.
@rumblechick73
@rumblechick73 2 жыл бұрын
Meanwhile, Nick & Megan just put Clarity up for sale, $455K turn-key, everything stays!
@siamsurf
@siamsurf 2 жыл бұрын
The helm is just weird... I can't believe there is no way to sit down, and nothing to hold onto or lean on in rough weather.
@LoanwordEggcorn
@LoanwordEggcorn 2 жыл бұрын
The whole boat is very odd in many (not good) ways.
@karaDee2363
@karaDee2363 2 жыл бұрын
I can think of many better boats to buy than this for 2.1 million dollars
@testicool013
@testicool013 2 жыл бұрын
Like what?
@dancarter482
@dancarter482 2 жыл бұрын
@@testicool013 Rapido 50 for a start.
@testicool013
@testicool013 2 жыл бұрын
@@dancarter482 hardly in the same class
@paulwyand6204
@paulwyand6204 2 жыл бұрын
I saw this boat in St Petersburg, I was surprised at the poor build quality. The fairing around every radius edge was uneven and fit and finish was not great. For over 2 million dollars I was shocked to see what looked like a home built boat. Also the use of flexible solar panels was surprising as they don't last very long, for a boat capable of remote cruising. Generally I was disappointed, I kind of liked the layout. But no fixed helm seat? I think walk through head is good as there is no need for three heads. I can understand why she has not sold for 2 years. It is trying to compete with Gun Boat but is way off the mark.
@rustysteel8714
@rustysteel8714 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for your observations, PW.
@dancarter482
@dancarter482 2 жыл бұрын
More of a Chris White wannabe and falling short of every mark.
@dancarter482
@dancarter482 2 жыл бұрын
@Konstantin Ridaya Even better - invest the money wisely and use the interest to finance a custom build.
@shivasail1675
@shivasail1675 2 жыл бұрын
It is very nice. Yes. But in my opinion it looks a bit like trying to copy a gun boat and mix it up with an outremer.
@jamesmarva1268
@jamesmarva1268 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you 😊, I also ❤️ this boat, 🙌 🙏 to YOU from on High Christ ❤️‍🔥 Jesus, thank you 😊 Holy Abba 😇, Amen.
@djopdam199
@djopdam199 2 жыл бұрын
Nice ripoff of Dix and Harvey. But if you spend that kind of money everyone would go for a Chris White Atlantic 57
@knutarneaakra6013
@knutarneaakra6013 2 жыл бұрын
Sailboats are slow but they always want to go fast. Why ? I just dont get it
@testicool013
@testicool013 2 жыл бұрын
It’s not just about going fast it’s about being able to still sail in light winds while other boats have to motor
@tomriley5790
@tomriley5790 2 жыл бұрын
Sailboats aren't that slow when you consider what they take with them and how little fuel they use. The other points about being able to sail fast - enables you to avoid or make port before a storm. Means that going at a reasonable speed you're carrying less sail and so less stress on the boat if it's caught by a gust - and in that gust the boat will potentially accelerate rather than simply be overpowered.
@dougheizenrader2280
@dougheizenrader2280 9 ай бұрын
I’m sorry, but I don’t see the forward cockpit as being “very protected”. In heavy weather with waves crashing over the bows and through the trampoline netting that cockpit would be a miserable place to be. It might be safe, but certainly not pleasant. And do I really want to be opening up the forward doors to the cockpit while charging into heavy weather? All the potential water entry into the cabin? No thanks!
@omer-kinali
@omer-kinali 2 жыл бұрын
Bad finish jobs everywhere. I can't imagine the build quality is any better. Zero elegance in furniture design. Honorable mention: the engine throttle console looks horrendous. Dining area is relatively too small compared to the rest of the boat. Location of the helm would make it rather difficult to dock. $2.1M is far too expensive.
@pauljm59
@pauljm59 2 жыл бұрын
Yeah no that’s stupid $. It’s too basic for a $2m boat in my opinion it’s too much of a compromise. I get the construction & the all electric but over $2m even with lots of carbon is ott.
@rayray5195
@rayray5195 2 жыл бұрын
Do not like the layout on this boat you will experience a lot of spray through the tramps in rough seas in that cockpit. Not a fan of the forward cockpit on a cat. Fly bridge helm is mush more desirable in my opinion and safer with better vision.
@lightning9279
@lightning9279 4 ай бұрын
2.1 million....What? That is a Privilege price tag(overrated as well).
@tcurdt
@tcurdt 2 жыл бұрын
Nice cat - but.... has anyone of you forward-cockpit fans ever been in bad weather with waves even going over the saloon roof? Plus not everything is in the front - the traveler is not. Not a great setup IMO. And who builds a boat without hand rails on the saloon roof? Meh. Does not really seem all that thought through.
@jacksbackable
@jacksbackable 2 жыл бұрын
Sorry, not sorry, & not a fan! I could say why, but it’s a long list! 😎🐬⚓️🏖🌴☀️🇦🇺
@andrewlabat9963
@andrewlabat9963 2 жыл бұрын
Horrid any way you look at it.. Inside, out..
@jetskiliferboatguy8140
@jetskiliferboatguy8140 2 жыл бұрын
Horrible design !! How can a cat be that big and have so little room?? A protected cockpit ?? Are you serious?? That is the most unprotective cockpit I've ever seen and the wind gets trapped which is the last thing you want on any sailboat especially an electric one. I guess the designers missed the whole aerodynamics semester in college.
@rwhunt99
@rwhunt99 2 жыл бұрын
Not my cup of tea, it leaves me with a lot of disappointments, basically because I don't know exactly what you're gaining in speed for the sacrifices you made with the narrow hulls. I did like the longer sugar scoops. and the bamboo but I would question how good those solar panels are and how long they last. I would prefer more electric power wind gen instead of diesel, but i get what you're saying about it. I feel the layout leaves some wasted space but again there's different opinions on that also. The price is laughable, but right now it's a sellers market.
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