The Best Diet to Follow & Exposing Carnivore, Vegan and Keto Trends with Simon Hill

[@TheProofWithSimonHill]

Mari thank you for having me on your show. I hope I left your listeners with a clear understanding of how I think about science, and reviewing evidence. I hope it leaves people with an appreciation for the nuance that exists in this conversation and a healthy level of skepticism for claims on social media. Simon

[@BartBVanBockstaele]

This was a really great interview. The first line of the Danish guidelines is really all we need right now.

[@smarg5130]

You are my favorite, Simon. Distilling the evidence that leads to the best health and longevity for us! I appreciate all your hard work

[@benjaminbenedetto9200]

You can have a very complete source of plant based protein and nutriments by ensuring to have enough organic soy, hemp protein, nutritional yeast, chia, linen seeds. It’s not so complicated. Just prepare a seeds jar with chia, hemp and linen add this everywhere from your dough to your morning muesli. Use clever protein powders containing complete protein don’t avoid soy! Only if you are allergic.

[@BartBVanBockstaele]

@@benjaminbenedetto9200 It is indeed not complicated. I use whole soybeans. They are my favourite beans. I don't understand how that is still (seemingly) a point of contention. This is stuff I learned in med school almost half a century ago.

[@katrinaburwash7140]

This was a great episode! It can be very difficult in this day and age of social media to know which sources of nutrition and health are trustworthy. Social media is filled with too many self-proclaimed experts that are able to manipulate people with their pseudo-science.

[@Viva-Longevity]

Great interview. 👏 I think Simon is the most sensible and one of the most knowledgeable 🧐 people in nutrition.

[@happyhealthylife4ever]

Agree

[@panes840]

@PlantChompers I agree with you but I'm still if the opinion he is highly biased about the RDA of protein. He's interviewed so many domain scientific experts, and they can't agree!!! So, I'm inclined to follow Dr Michael Greger and definitely his latest aging book with 3000 REFERENCES independently fact checked. Your interview with him was SUPERB by the way!!!! I also agree with Dr Fuhrman, who states resistance training is highly important, but to what end? To primarily look buffed and sexy or to build strength and flexibility. Tgats Fuhrmans stance and he believes that buffing up beyond that is going over and above what's necessary for the human frame! Even Drew on Simons podcast states he thinks Fuhrman had a point. But Simon laughed and said something like, "yep, he may well have a point, but it's hard to cut back". I am a huge fan of Simon, so please don't misunderstand my criticism, and I think his book is excellent and incredibly well written, but he's not without bias (even though in the grand scheme of things that bias is miniscule). I'd also like him to stop pretending that fish is healthier than nuts and seeds. Fuhrman had him on that too!! Again I asked Simon if he looked into the data and he replied saying yes but my position still stands. OK, fine but why? No answer. I don't understand why people consume fish oil for omega 3s when they can eat the whole fish. I also don't understand how he has little tp say about fish contamination besides the book "Toxic" which by his recommendation I read. It's excellent. I disagree that mercury is less of a problem in the body in comparison to cardiovascular disease. It shouldn't be that or thos mantra. Mercury is horrendous. Just ask Tony Robins. And that's before we discuss dioxins, pcbs, fertiliser run off, oil slicks, untreated sewage, microplastics and other chemicals dumped. I do admire him not pushing his own dietary position which is 100% plants and extremely high in whole food plants but to say on here he hasn't looked at the downsides of fish I don't buy! I'm just saying. I'm still a huge fan. Love your channel. You leave nothing unturned in terms of information.

[@chrismcgowan5180]

gil carvalho

[@sectionalsofa]

@@chrismcgowan5180 Both!!! (and Plant Chompers too).

[@sectionalsofa]

Dr Greger and Dr Fuhrman opened the door for me, but having walked through, Simon Hill is my main source of information. I no longer think I'm going to curl up and die from a tablespoon of olive oil or from a sip of kefir for that matter.

[@peakperformnce]

There is nothing more valuable in this present society than being objective, honest, and open minded. Excellent episode!

[@ccclsherry]

Mari, I really admire your respectful approach to your guests who may not be promoting a lifestyle you follow. You are always open to hear someone else's perspective. You are always prepared with the questions. You are sharing all the different perspectives. I would imagine all your guests find you to be a safe place as do your followers.

[@charissahicks2129]

Simon Hill has been my favorite guest so far!! I love his research based, level headed approach to making decisions on what to believe is healthy for our bodies.

[@riahutchison]

This was an incredibly informative and objective interview! Thankful to hear someone discuss the importance of domain specific experts instead of trends.

[@elenasreadingcorner]

One of the best episodes, will go follow Simon asap

[@WhisperingMeadowss]

This was one of the best episodes I’ve seen from you, it might have something to do with how relaxing your voice and your guests, came across together 💕

[@TheJOEVIV]

Thank You, Mari for interviewing Simon Hill on this very important topic. He is one of the most balanced podcaster out there. 😊

[@viveviveka2651]

Good guest. Thanks for having him on 🌻

[@raym8158]

You're not going to go wrong listening to Simon. He's very objective and science based!

[@TheindefatigableGovernor]

Born and raised a vegetarian my whole life, kept gaining weight until my 40s. Then switched to keto/carnivore. Lost 110 lbs, under 195, all inflammatory markers gone. High blood pressure gone. Snoring gone. Skin issues gone. Asthma gone. But the “consensus science” says this way of eating is “extreme.” 🤷🏾‍♂️🤷🏾‍♂️🤷🏾‍♂️🤷🏾‍♂️🤷🏾‍♂️

[@me-lg1yw]

By any chance were you an ultra processed/junk food vegetarian diet?

[@TheindefatigableGovernor]

@ I ate vegetarian “meat” and starchy vegetables. I ate more “ultra processed” food in my teens and 20s, but hardly any in my 30s and 40s.

[@me-lg1yw]

@ Vegetarian meat is ultra processed. Starchy vegetables will make you gain weight. You had a bad vegetarian diet.

[@rachelmcgill8143]

Mediterranean Diet is working for me - 55 years old, healthy, fit, and ideal labs! ❤

[@cristinamoscarillo7695]

what a great and informative podcast! Thank you🙏

[@blessedfamily1717]

Just saw this on Instagram and came here quick to listen.

[@dj.h7424]

Thanks for this podcast, so nice to hear you cut through the diet ‘tribal’ nonsense that fills my notifications usually! subscribing and sharing 👍🏻

[@MarilynBall-o4u]

This fella does or seem believable. We all have a story but Carnivore has gave me my life at 75 when I was pretty much think my life was over and now I feel I have a whole new life to look fwd to. Thank you Dr Octavio , Dr Ken Berry, Dr Chaffee and all the expert qualified Working Surgeon s and other MD. Their messages are qualified and experts in their field. I was Vegan and it worked well for a year with supplements but I contribute it mostly dropping all processing food but not sustainable with good health

[@MakeupAuthority]

I am more ketovore for my personal needs and I totally agree that we all have our own story! I was eating a lot of vegetables and salads with small amounts of meat and became very sick. Come to find out, I am allergic to so many foods so my diet has to be very simple and heavily meat based otherwise I can’t function.

[@panes840]

As a whole food plant based vegan (similar to Simon) i can assure anyone who is curious its easy to supplement and be mindful of any shortfall in vutamins and minerals: B12 is just a supplement. My dad was a meat eater and had pernicious anaemia and so are many people deficient not just vegans. Iodine easy to add seaweed based foods or supplements. Loads of people are deficient, not just vegans. Vit D. Everyone needs to supplement in not in an environment conducive to great vid D exposure from the sun. Selenium is easy. At a brazil nut a day and/oror eat plant foods that are good sources Oats, nuts, and seeds for starters (hemp seeds are fantadtic )are good sources of zinc or just take a low dose supplement. Omega 3s justxabput everyome is low. Supplement. Choose algae based versions like Simon does to stop destroying the ocean's. For all other vitamins and minerals, eat the rainbow. Folow the danish guidelines as he suggests and you will meet all you need. Add some mock meats in here and tgeircif you want to. Eat plenty of pulses, wholegrains too, and you will be fine!!! It's not tricky honest. His book is superb . So is Dr Joel Fuhrmans books and Dr Greger and Simon has interviewed Fuhrman. .

[@aaronmyers2382]

Just eat meat. It'll change your life. It's your life. Dementia and arthritis eat plants and carbs. And pills. Lol

[@alohafueled]

Love listening to Simon. What he shares is thought provoking and have learned tons from him.

[@RatsPicklesandMusic]

2:15 You can be perfectly healthy on a plant-predominant omnivore diet. Veganism is an ethical stance that transcends into diet. You can also be perfectly healthy on a plant-based diet. :)

[@kunverjihirani276]

Simon is brilliant! 👍🙏😊

[@KenWang2]

The middle ground is 90% plant based

[@fitawrarifitness6842]

Exactly!

[@goozfrabah579]

I'd die before I eat that way oh wait I almost did.😊

[@wraithe0007]

Thank god this was a video and not just an audio podcast because I would have totally thought Simon was talking out his arse…..

[@kayleighduran3858]

Whole Foods and clean Meats is how I’m happy. I felt terrible on a vegan diet and terrible on keto. I need a mixture of both to feel good.

[@67wwwoman]

Sounds like a sensible omnivore plan. Works for many people who follow a classic Mediterranean diet.

[@chriskozak7356]

Mediterranean is the only way. Lean red meat, chicken, fish, green veg, fruit.

[@REDCLAYHOMESTEAD]

41:00 brings up the tribe and just know Simon is going to pull out a pie chart or something.

[@purpleman1974]

More than (indeed existing) contradictory monetary interests or even social engineering plans behind every dietary tendency, the problem regarding diet and health is one of life reductionism. "Health" is such a complex issue, with deep roots in so many variables, some of them purely psychological or even spiritual, the same complexity we find in individual metabolisms. It is very tempting to point to a particular diet in order to get particular results in such different organisms, but that will never be the case. I would even say that the right diet is the one that "avoids" bad foods than one that chooses a particular set of foods between the "good food" pool.

[@annaoslo8650]

When Simon criticizes red meat for having cardiac risks, is he referencing the Kellog-backed studies that Dr. Chaffee and Paul Saladino always dismantle?

[@alohafueled]

Check out his channel and many other interviews Simon Hill has done. He shares all of his credible references, unlike most others claiming to be "experts" on nutrition.

[@andieconcarnie]

Look into Ben Hickman and Bart Kay these two are actually professionals in their fields Bart is a professor in all things nutrition and Ben is a professor in our body physiology and they would say opposite to Simon regarding meat and involvement in heart disease risk.

[@orang1414]

So does this mean that vegetable oils like sunflower and rapeseed oil are ok to include in a balanced diet? In things like houmous, pesto, gf breads, etc?

[@chriskozak7356]

Seed oils are never okay. Like added sugar and processed meat. Use quality olive oil.

[@chewiewins]

Seed oils safe. kzbin.info/www/bejne/Y6m3knR-iKt7i7csi=ik98N7IXmBSnmdUD

[@kaspershaupt]

Yes please. There is no evidence that seed oils are bad for you

[@noelarwidi3746]

@orang1414 yes they seem to be okay in a healthy diet, but they are not necessary and some people chose to avoid them, the other commenter on your comment does not seem to be up to date on the actuall human outcomes in trials involving seed oils.

[@luisburgosf]

@@chriskozak7356 there are no clinical studies showing seeds oils increase CVD. All the contrary.

[@erikshin-cj8sh]

There is no one-food group-fits-all diet. We are not genetically identical, and we don't have identical nutritional requirements. I've met both vegans and carnivores who are living long, healthy lives. I've also met met both vegans and carnivores who are either sickly, or have died relatively early (in their 50s and 60s; and not by homicide or accident). Whether vegan or carnivore, our nutritional requirements also change as we age (RDAs are different for each age group). For unbiased results, try natural selection. Nature doesn't care whether you're vegan or carnivore. If people still insist that their diet is best, they should pick which diet group they should be in, practice what they preach, then track health and mortality (not including homicides and accidents) rates. Nature is impartial. Both the vegan diet and the carnivore diet have positives and negatives (although they may not see it that way). Take their recommendations, do your own testing, then figure out what foods work to keep you healthy and alive, and foods that don't. There is no need to add to the confusion for the rest of us by demonizing someone's diet because it's not exacly like yours.

[@panes840]

Errrr hang on Simon champions listening to different scientific experts. Great. Agree. But then, even he i have found ignores what some giants say about protein. Just watch all the excellent videos he's done with the protein experts. At the end of the day, he's into body building for him reason he chooses to do so. I saw an episode with him and Drew discussing stuff, and even Drew said something like, " Do you think that Dr. Joel Furhman has a point that bulkimg up beyond what the human frame needs warrants that extra protein?" . Furhman advocates stremgth training for flexibility and strength but not to lack jacked!! They both laughed and said something like, "yep hes probably right, but its hard to give up getting jacked though". So i am totally unclear how he believes the RDA for protein is not good enough. Despite some domain scientists who have yes, studied protein for years, say we have got to stop obsessing about getting enough. I think hes right for athletes maybe, everyone else RDA or just above id like evidence to say that the 2 standard deviations to the right of the bell curve that are taken into consideration for the RDA are wrong!

[@chewiewins]

Excess muscles is waste of energy but enough muscle to provide balance and avoid sarcopenia is key😊

[@lynnritchie231]

But veganism isn't about nutrition. It's about reducing your harms to animals. In this respect, I agree that it is the polar opposite of a diet based on eating animals. Vegans are primarily concerned with the animals we share our planet with. People who eat animals choose their diet with the least regard for anyone bar themselves.

[@fitawrarifitness6842]

Is eating lab grown meat considered "vegan"?

[@Hikari7775]

@@fitawrarifitness6842 If the process doesn't involve animal exploitation (sometimes, it still does), then yes, it is vegan.

[@donsph]

Modern day agriculture kills more animals than what a normal meat eating human would. Your spinach kale smoothie is more detrimental to the environment than you are made to believe.

[@Pascal270]

You are right. I could not care less about animals. My health will always come first.

[@miklimecat9636]

In the case of a plane emergency, you put the oxygen mask on yourself first before you try to save anybody else. Parallel lessons.

[@julieowens7095]

Well done Mari. I might listen to you more if you had domain specific experts like Simon on your show more often and less of the psuedo scientists like Saladino. And just on fish oil...totally unsustainable and you can't be healthy if the planet isn't. We do need somewhere to live our healthy life.

[@kristinf6167]

Imagine you're a new mom. You finally had your baby! Then somebody rips it away from you just to profit off of your milk. They repeat that ×13+ years of heartbreaking torture, and end your life. What happens to your baby? Either sent to a slaughter house or put through what you just went through. Do you still want milk, cheese, and meat? How would you feel if somebody did that to you. Who cares what the “science” says.

[@CharlieFader]

I agree, although it’s also important to know that the healthfulness of a plant-based diet is supported by the scientific evidence.

[@jimsims-c7o]

Imagine human women killing their own babies what monsters

[@user-qr4ey3xv4j]

Just wondering, do you not consider plants living? Do they grow? Do they come from a seed from a parent plant? When eating a plant, are you not ripping their offspring from them or the parent from the offspring? The meaning of this comment, if it grows, it's living. Doesn't matter if it's a plant or animal.

[@CharlieFader]

@@user-qr4ey3xv4j living, but not sentient. Also, eating animals entails a lot more plant and animal death obviously. So, are you suggesting that it’s feasible for humans to live as breatharians? If not, what is the point of your comment?

[@user-qr4ey3xv4j]

@@CharlieFader The point of my comment is most people who eat mostly plants, make the argument that an animal is living or they can't eat something with a face. It truly is an argument that has no basis. Whether or not you consider a plant living, by its nature, it grows and is living. Everyone's body is different, carnivore works for some, same for the vegetarian. But you can't add a personal belief into your anger towards the other.

[@YanaSofiaS]

anyone know if I'm doing damage or if I'm all good putting coconut oil in my morning coffee/matcha ??! i'm confused :')

[@smoath]

What's causing his breathing difficulties?

[@aaronmyers2382]

Carbs.

[@klawony]

I think the general consensus is that many of fo not trust the research and the literature.

[@static49ers8]

yea sorry not gonna go plant based lmao im gonna eat good quality meat and egs and veggies and you are gonna like it

[@drftsnvk]

Carnivore is the only answer.

[@aaronmyers2382]

So true. Real scientists know, these guys are just pushing for funding. Simon Hill is a known fraud. Lol

[@69camaro19]

👍

[@sarahwelsh223]

People need to stop demonizing food groups and start focusing on all the poison that's put in our food.

[@KenWang2]

I'm still demonizing saturated fats, sorry.

[@CharlieFader]

That’s a pretty simplistic way of looking at nutrition. For example, they don’t add saturated fats into butter, it’s all ready in there and it’s unhealthy.

[@sevbuyse]

Very wise to me thank you to say this

[@toniazar]

You preach about the importance of a scientific approach, yet proceed to expound on diets purported to lower the risk of cancer and diabetes, among others. However, there are no human nutritional studies that inform in any way shape or form on risk reduction of anything. They can't be done with free living human beings. What we have are primarily epidemiological studies, characterized by weak associations, bias, and heavily conflicted scientists. You then advocate for a high-fiber, low-saturated fat diet as optimal for long-term health outcomes, a notion so far removed from scientific reality it borders on the absurd. Saturated fat is a fundamental component of your makeup, necessary for numerous bodily functions. Our ancestors predominantly consumed meat and fat. Fiber, is not essential to the human diet, it is counterindicated, it is inflammatory to the gut. It may be prudent for you to reexamine your "science" before talking about human nutrition. No disrespect but this is terrible health advice.

[@TheindefatigableGovernor]

Amen.

[@user-qr4ey3xv4j]

I will admit I live the carnivore lifestyle. Being on it, I have lost most of my visceral fat and got off my BP medication than doing the standard American diet. I did the smoothies and made nut milks and butters with my expensive Vitamix blender for over a year with no changes. The big thing that switched me to carnivore, was the lack of waste needed to poop out. It doesn't matter which doctor you go with, they all will tell you that your poop is the food waste your body couldn't process. So, with the lack of needing to poop, it shows that my body is taking in food that it can more completely absorb and use.

[@CharlieFader]

Fat loss and lowering BP can also be achieved following a plant-based diet. There is no scientific evidence showing that it can only achieved via a carnivore diet, it’s just how YOU did it. Also, your theory about poop has no scientific basis and does not correlate with any positive health effect.

[@radoslavkristin9830]

Stool is mostly bacteria not undigested food

[@lynnritchie231]

One of the BEST things about eating plants is the way it clears everything out at the other end. The bigger my poops, the happier I am.

[@user-qr4ey3xv4j]

@lynnritchie231 the happier, but maybe not the healthiest. With poop being waste and/or bacteria, the less of each, sounds better for the body.

[@CharlieFader]

@@user-qr4ey3xv4j that would be just speculation though on your part. And this would also imply that having no microbiome would be ideal.

[@jimsims-c7o]

carnivore diet changed my life for the best ill never go back

[@lynnritchie231]

Freudian slip 'ill'........

[@fitawrarifitness6842]

Now all you need to do if find a way to be carnivore without torturing animals and destroying the environment. Maybe lab grown meat?

[@jimsims-c7o]

no thanks @@fitawrarifitness6842

[@jimsims-c7o]

harvesting plants from the feilds kills more animals than i ever will in my life@@fitawrarifitness6842

[@chriskozak7356]

​@fitawrarifitness6842 stop punching down. consumers aren't causing factory farming firsthand. Stop pushing your morals.

[@lowcarbRD]

Simon is a youtuber. Hes never worked in academia nor clinical practice in his life. So what expertise does he have exactly?

[@atherton7662]

I just don’t trust this guy, something about him is off

[@robban910821]

I agree

[@julianschweitzer5492]

@@robban910821 i agree he is giving some terrible advice

[@chewiewins]

It's just you. He has the evidence. Come back with evidence You just dislike that he knows carnivore diet is bad for you

[@smoath]

Yes. Red flags waving.

[@ManjiMachine]

Lol listen to his podcast and the guests he has on

[@erikshin-cj8sh]

Please do more fact checking on Simon Hill. He may think he's middle-of-the-road, but his actions say otherwise. He is well-spoken and charismatic, but if you listen closely to his content, it is primarily pro-plant-based. He says he is pescetarian, but pescetarian is leaning more to plant-based than middle-of-the road. While he stresses and asks us to be open-minded, he tells us to listen mostly to domain specific experts and academics. Isn't that elitist and closed-minded? Many advancements in science have been made by people who were not domain specific experts in the field where they made their discoveries (some don't even have fancy degrees). Also, a lot of domain specific experts are so ingrained and invested in their work that, whether consciously or uncosciously, they would tend to reject new findings that oppose their own, since it may also affect their reputation and income. Simon Hill, himself, owns or owned or contibutes to a number of plant-based businesses (Eden Bondi, a plant-based restaurant, for example). Don't take my word, please fact check and follow the money. If you also listen closely to his other interviews, he cleverly and subtley gaslights opinions that are contrary to his (Saladino, as he mentioned), but is more light-handed on plant-based proponents. He really might think he is middle-of-the-road, but why further confuse those of us who are neither vegan nor carnivore by saying he is middle-of-the-road, and yet preaching and practicing eating little meat and eating predominantly plants, focusing mostly on the benefits of plant products and creating doubt on benefits of animal products, and demonizing the animal product industry by attaching it to social and environmental issues (which are other issues still debated by domain specific experts). Simon Hill may have presented very good points, but consciously or unconsciously, he cherry-picks the research he chooses to promote (which echoes his opinions) and tries to refute those that don't, detemines what "domain specific experts" to trust (of course plant-based ones) and what "domain specific experts" not to listen to (like Dr. Saladino). If we are to heed Simon Hill's elitist recommendation of listening more to domain specific experts and academics than other people's opinions, we should listen less to him (because his credential are a Masters of Science, and a plant-based certificate) and more to Dr. Saladino (because he is a DOUBLE-CERTIFIED DOCTOR), the one Hill tells us not to listen to. Don't get me wrong, I am not a vegan nor a carnivore. Just as in politics, why can't all factions of the dietary community work together, instead of trying to tear each other apart in some kind of power struggle, and further confusing everyone else?

[@JayDascenzo]

Simon clearly hit a nerve. Simmer down, man.

[@erikshin-cj8sh]

@@JayDascenzo I clearly hit a nerve that you took time to respond. Simmer down man. This was just a PSA to inform others to verify for themselves and not just accept blindly what Simon Hill is presenting. With so much information available (a lot of them conflicting), we get overwhelmed and lazy, making it easy for people to just accept information from "authority figures." Although, what I've found from his interviews and talks are biased and at times disingenuous, I don' t dissuade others to think a certain way, like he does.I just hope people make well informed decisions by actually looking deeper into who Simon Hill really is, and verifying the validity of his statements. My work entails dealing with NGOs, as well as government organizations (some of which are health related). I've dealt with politicians who claimed to be moderate conservatives and moderate progressives just to appeal to a broader base, but, when they are background and fact checked, they prove to be clearly deep on one side or the other. To find true answers we must question authority whether they be politicians, doctors, experts, or influencers...or you're taking the risk of suffering the consequences, if what their preaching is b.s.