The Best DIY Speakers for Under $300? Crossover Design and Overview

[@Toid]

The woofer used in this project is the RS180S-8. At 1:50 I accidentally showed the graph for the RS180-4. I just want to be clear this is an 8ohm speaker using the RS180S-8. The description has all the links to the components used. Thank You Good Goat for pointing out the error in the video.

[@riveralley]

What would you recommend for putting the crossover on?

[@Toid]

+River Alley I just use the scrap piece of 1/4 inch MDF. But really you could use about anything that is not conductive.

[@Tonewood]

Did you measure the speakers with a mic? I'm asking because of the baffle step. The response in xsim looks astonishing! 😉

[@rako81sna]

I was curious aswell, cause the simulation and the realworld are 2 different things, especially with a complicated Crossover. Also the caps and resisters and coils can vary a lot. In order to design a good crossover, you want to have tons of different cap sizes, coils, resisters and so on. Its not just done with simulating it. You have to change components and values and fiddle quite some time for a decent Crossover. And you have to measure the speaker each time you change something, so it is really quite time consuming and expensive. If you start with building speakers and crossovers and you dont have allready a huge collection of components for crossovers, you need to buy way more components as needed for the crossover for the obvious reasons above. A calibrated microphone, Software that most likely cost some money aswell. I would just use a DSP , so i dont need to hassle with all that stuff. Still need a calibrated mic tho.

[@Toid]

@@Tonewood I did. You can see the final measurement at 5:30 taken in Rew, outdoors, 5ft above the ground, 3ft away. The response is really nice. I was impressed with it. And the bass is incredible for speakers these size. I have these set up in my living room and there is no need at all for a subwoofer

[@neilmohan8294]

Great project. Appreciate the efforts put in. Can you please share the exterior dimensions of the cabinet. Height , depth, width

[@Dracayala]

May I get a parts list for this crossover please.

[@-nepherim]

Anyone have any experience as to whether these drivers and cross-over improve on the Paul Carmody Amigas design and drivers?

[@belovedconsole]

3:33, this was really good to see you talk about how we need to use the crossovers in sensitive frequencies and what that is all about, fun stuff

[@garf6615]

Definitely. Gave me a little more understanding of crossovers and why.

[@csj9619]

I've got the Dayton RS180-4P (paper cone version) along with the aluminum dome Reference tweeters in the front doors of my car and I can't think of ANY car audio marketed drivers that can compete with the clarity, bass and overall performance of them for the cost. *drivers are powered by SKAR RP75.4, active crossover used, 4Khz HP on tweeters, 80hz - 4Khz bandpass on 7" midbass. Subwoofer is Sundown Audio U-series 18" powered by MMATS Hifi4250 bridged

[@IliyaOsnovikov]

Do you also check in xSim off-axis responses with a crossover you had optimised for good on-axis response?

[@DenisZ2023]

Hello. Would the crossover design still work If I replace the metal cone driver with the paper version. Dayton audio makes the same exact woofer with paper material that I'd rather use.

[@Phantomwiz1985]

8 ohm woofer and 6 ohm tweeter. Does that create any issues?

[@dufryve]

Would we havé thé dame résultat with thé RS 180 at 8 OHMS? Thank you

[@markcarter4310]

I know its been over a year on this video but in reference to your response to using an 8 ohm over a 4 ohm. Can i use this crossover with (2) 4 ohm RS180-4 speakers in series without modifying the design?

[@Alfonsovice]

hi I want to build this, the resitor link is down, I made the sound bard from your free plans and I love it, I would like to build these, what are the resistors? hi from Chile

[@danbalkey2580]

Hello like your video on crossover. i dont much about crossover parts wish i seen this before i built my hivi 3.1 kit. really good sound. not sure if you know these speaker but there a upgrade that i can do to really make them sign. would you know what i need to upgrade them and where i can buy kit ??? thanks so much for any help

[@zulk9mahmood821]

Do you sell the plans for this ?

[@juanespinoza435]

Can i change the speakers for the 3 inch ones

[@christianginella5545]

Dude, do you use tin speaker wires, I dont think so. Twist your crossover components together and use solder to hold them in place or use copper jumpers if they don't reach. I like your videos but nothing is better than the weakest link. Hope this helps.

[@user-vd7jo8pe1z]

So how does this compare and contrast to the Amiga?

[@Silent_Joy]

Somewhat related question, as I trust your knowledge. What do you think of the TriTrix MTM from PartsExpress? As I am seriously considering it for an easy first build.

[@ionizerbob]

Do you have cabinet info on the ones you show in this video? Is there a port on the rear? Could these be done as a transmission line type...isolating a tweeter compartment?

[@Nickporter17]

I'm confused by the crossover order statement. Since they both only have one component going to ground aren't they both 1st order crossovers?

[@Toid]

A first order would be no components going to ground. The woofer would just have an inductor and the Tweeter would just have a capacitor.

[@Nickporter17]

Thanks. So what makes the tweeter crossover a 3rd order here?

[@Toid]

@@Nickporter17 a capacitor before and after the inductor on the tweeter makes it a third order.

[@justins.1283]

That driver looks like it might be a good candidate for a large 3-way bookshelf using a soft dome mid-range and an air motion tweeter..just a thought for somebody might have the time and the place to experiment with it

[@AbideinChristSealed]

I would have loved to see a build and review/comparison video on this speaker.

[@dannythepavouk]

Awesome video! May I ask you for an advice? Simple answer is enogh.. I have a perfect offer for DS270-8, which I think cannot be paired with just a tweeter well..but don't have budget for 3 way.. I would like to pair it with full range and cross around 800hz. As the DS270 is quite high sensitivity (90db), what sensitivity of the full range do you recommend as minimum to match the final SPL? Mostly I can find about 85db to fit my budget. Thank you in advance!

[@AllMyHobbies]

what was the measured finished product

[@nathankimmett8803]

What soldering station are you using?

[@Toid]

I use this electronic. I absolutely love it. amzn.to/3euQ0fh

[@nathankimmett8803]

@@Toid thanks!

[@Toid]

@@nathankimmett8803 you're welcome

[@mr.vokits8757]

Well done! I have subscribed to too many channels all ready. I thought I was done! I had no choice but to follow. Thanks from a novice speaker builder and searcher of audiophile bliss.

[@2wilbster]

How's the bass?

[@Toid]

The bass is quite substantial. There really is no need for a subwoofer (in a small room) and they are playing full range. I started the beginning of 9 (the movie) and turned the volume to -10. My wife was blown away. Not only were they completely crystal clear, but the bass actually shook the wall behind us, lol.

[@SunsetWingman]

Great video. Would you say MT speakers like this with the 180s would be loud enough for a 22x17 room for a home theater or would you go MTM. Also it looks like the drivers are rated at 60w without the tweeter. If I ran a 100w/channel on an MTM I'd be a bit under fully powering both the drivers excluding the tweeter. Would I lose a decent amount of low extension being slightly underpowered like that?

[@hagengocht3891]

Is it possible to do a clone of the Elac UB 5 that can be a DIY? Is that even possible?

[@jeferojorojomaryin5838]

Elac ub5 is nice. But actually elac is more like a commercial boomer speakers, u can do times better with others diy plans,. Elac do it good on youtube but the speakers could be only not as impressive.. u can do it way better even with parts express kits,

[@syedmudassirrahman1025]

sir while selecting a amplifier for these speakers what all should we keep in mind(what should be the power rating and the resistance)

[@kencohagen4967]

How do you know you need a third order crossover vs a first order?

[@Toid]

That's a great question for the forum. To much to go into here. Why don't you post it at www.toidsdiyaudio.com/community

[@-nepherim]

Would be great to see the plans for the enclosures you actually used. The ones over on Kirby's site really are not intended for the average DIY enthusiast. Plus the tower version of yours just looks way cool!

[@Toid]

Thank Nepherim. As far as the tower goes, you can just use Paul Carmody;s Amiga build. I'll have plans out for the enclosure sometime. But for now, you could use that.

[@usmanmondal7040]

baffle dimensions? and can we curve the edges a little bit?

[@jeferojorojomaryin5838]

Just buil the Paul Carmody original version,, " the amigas"

[@doronsegal1259]

Hey! thanks for the video! what's the software that you're using to design the speakers called? thank you!

[@sirspongey]

I'm very new to this, just trying to learn really. But wouldn't a 10w resistor be a little bit under powered if you ever tried to run these up near the woofers rating? Just curious so I can learn something new!

[@shining31]

Did you used measured frd & zma after a burning period ? And did you used speakers mounted on targeted baffle for those measures ?

[@Toid]

Yes. I used pre and post measued responses

[@Aviator168]

So to get a good sound stage, you have to make sure the low end gets enough power.

[@rezo786]

Thanks alot for this. Let's say tweeter sensitivity is 90dB and woofer is 94dB does that mean the matching won't work ? I just need to understand speaker sensitivity a little better . Obviously assume a level equaliser input.

[@wadimek116]

You can add resistor to crossover to make levels good but you will have to wire them both series and parallel if you don't want crossover frequency to change

[@jameshoverson7686]

Nice video man! I meant to ask you a while back, are these similar to the "amigas" ? Thanks!

[@syedmudassirrahman1025]

Sir I mean what is the min power rating needed for these speakers

[@PA5cAl1]

This design looks very good, I'd expect it to sound very pleasent. There are no plots of the performance off-axis though, did you have a look at that?

[@Toid]

I don't have files of them yet. I can get some out to you in the future if you like.

[@syedmudassirrahman1025]

Sir in the video u have shown the soldering of one crossover but for 2 speakers we should we make 2 different crossover or 1 is enough

[@Toid]

You need 1 crossover for each speaker you want to build. So if you are building 1 speaker, just 1 crossover. If you want to build a pair of speakers, you will need to crossovers (1 for each speaker).

[@syedmudassirrahman1025]

123Toid ok thank you very much sir

[@jayludvigh6958]

Hi, I would like to do this build but have the 4 ohm version of the RS 180. How should the crossover be adjusted to use the 4 ohm driver? Thanks!

[@dimitarkirchevdimitrov6321]

Brilliant job mate👏Do you have plans for the enclosures? I would like to build them🙂

[@wccrispy]

The specs are the Amigas and can be found on Paul Carmody's website.

[@dimitarkirchevdimitrov6321]

@@wccrispy Cheers for the info mate👍

[@Toid]

Thank you Wayland. Somehow I missed this comment.

[@wccrispy]

Oh cool, no problem man.

[@goodgoat3096]

Was the enclosure volume set at one cubic foot per the PE suggestion? I saw that Kirby used a 2" ID adjustable port, what port length was used and what are the dimensions of the box?

[@goodgoat3096]

Forgot to say, great job getting a 7" woofer to work well in a two way.

[@Toid]

Good Goat, you can use the same enclosure and port length found in the Amiga build. I actually used 2 ports that were longer to cut down on port noise. Otherwise, it's really unchanged

[@caraudioradioboombox6874]

Amazing. Love the video. I might buy these someday. Keep up the good work and don't give up.

[@caraudioradioboombox6874]

Don't worry about the mistakes.

[@pepeltoro444]

Im gonna build these :) thanks man!! if I wanted to switch the tweeter to a ribbon tweeter, which tweeter is the best alternative for this crossover?

[@__-vo7iq]

Hi I'm a bit confused, can you please unconfuse me? From what I can tell in this video and the diy amp video these are supposed to be floor standing speakers. But when I look at kirby's speakers they are bookshelf speakers. Why is this? Am I looking at the wrong Kirby video(I'm using the provided link) or are they supposed to be bookselfs? Also are there build plans for your version available? Thanks

[@Toid]

So these were originally bookshelf speakers designed for Kirby. I made them into floor standing, but I think I will redo the crossover for the floor models. Ilas I never really designed it around this design.

[@brianraulerson5037]

@@Toid I would like to get the plans for the floor standing model if you release them. Please let me know.

[@Toid]

@@brianraulerson5037 will do Brian. If I end up giving them away, it'll be part of the forum. Feel free to start looking that over at www.toidadiyaudio.com

[@brianraulerson5037]

@@Toid Thank you. I will keep an eye out for that. Keep up the good work!

[@mism4049]

@@Toid could you list the dimensions for the bookshelf version?

[@dsonyay]

I'm a bit confused... Where can I but the speaker enclosure for this? You have links to all the parts, but the the link you provide for the enclosures show a whole kit - not just the enclosure.

[@jeferojorojomaryin5838]

Forget about this design and build the original paul carmody " the amiga" , Paul is a master designer and he is not greedy like youtubers are, the amigas are the real deal..

[@MakerMark]

Thanks for the video it's very informative. My friend has a large living room 25 by 18 ft I'm searching for a kit or set up that I can build that would fill that room with sound what do you think would this do the job thanks

[@Toid]

Yes, I do

[@goodgoat3096]

The link below is to the 8 ohm version of the woofer, oopsy. Does the carved front surface of the Kirby enclosures introduce any additional diffraction? When are the rear and center designs coming? You know that you want to do it.

[@Toid]

Haha, I do want to do a center and rears. 😁 This speaker does use an 8ohm woofer with a 4 ohm tweeter. It has a nominal impedance of 8 ohms, which is great for home theater

[@goodgoat3096]

The driver spec shown in the video at around 1:50 and in the cross over design at around 4:30 both show a 4 ohm part and the f3 of the 8 ohm version as listed on the Parts Express site is not 33 hz, but 65 hz in a smaller vented box.

[@Toid]

First of all, good catch. At 1:50 I did accidentally pull up the 4ohm version. I am not sure how I did that. Thank you for catching it. You are right the 8 ohm on PE website shows the optimal sized ported enclosure to be around 50hz. However if you put this is WinISD, you will see that around a 1 cubic foot box you can tune this to about 40hz with an F3 in the mid 30's. Which is why I always use WinISD to check all my figures. At 4:30, which shows the crossover design, you can see the woofer labeled as the 8 ohm version (rs180s-8) and the impedance to match it. I'm sorry for any confusion at 1:50. Good catch

[@Toid]

P.S. I pinned a comment, Thank you again for pointing out the issue at 1:50. I would not want to inadvertently confuse anyone.

[@goodgoat3096]

I looked at the tweeter and thought that it was the 4 ohm woofer, a big "duh" to me. This design on it's own resembles a high end boutique speaker and is very interesting. Sorry for the confusion that I introduced. Kirby has not yet provided the cabinet dimensions and I would assume a cabinet tall enough to get the tweeter to a good listening height and using a false bottom to arrive at the correct volume and maybe contain the cross over. This design reminds me of an improved Carmody Amiga? Nice work.

[@justingardner4555]

Can you explain the trade off betwern iron core inductors vs hollow core inductors?

[@Toid]

Typically air core are used on tweeters with solid core being on woofers.

[@joppepeelen]

solid cores have more distortion in the lower mid range and up. so if your woofer is only doing Sub duties and you need a big value coil and dont have 100 to spend.. go iron core. for mid and tweeter always go air coil. also try to work with the resistance a coil might give, sometimes unwanted but somtimes it can be used to tailor ouput level at the same time and you might squash 2 flies in one hit :)

[@leongailberger7676]

Hey i want to make a 3way speaker... Does it make any sense to use the Dayton RS270-8 as the woofer, the RS75-T8 for the mids and the Dayton DC28FS-8 for the highs?

[@iMilletos]

No, Use the RS270 and DC28FS and cross them at 2k They'll work great. The DC28FS can go down to 1800 but it works way better at 2k or more.. The RS75 has very little sensitivity and power handling which makes it a bad combination

[@bobbeam3682]

Great video, have been checking out the surrounds you guys are doing as well. Out of all the kits I’ve built I haven’t used the RS line of woofers yet. I know right… How’s the phase integration on this design?? Any graphs to show?? Just curious, thanks for the info!!

[@janbostik]

can you tell me what program you used for the crossover design?thanks

[@goodgoat3096]

Xsim was used but PCD could also be used. Both are free and there are tutorials on youtube.

[@Navin7356]

If I connection 8 ohm woofer and 4 ohm tweeter to the cross over what should be the total impedance of the speaker. Does it change the impedance after connecting the speaker to the cross over . Or how to calculate the speaker impedance with cross over output, I want in 8 ohm or 6 ohm. anyone pls replay ...

[@Toid]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/g363eHefgc-mkJI here's the video I did on that

[@-IE_it_yourself]

why do none of your videos show the frequency below 100hz

[@MurphysTactical]

The speakers you show for these are floor standing towers, KMA's are bookshelf....which is it?

[@Toid]

You can do either. I decided later to make a tower for home theater to get more bass extension. It's really up to you

[@MurphysTactical]

123Toid cool. I really like the flat response this offers! Great job! Any rough dimensions of the cabinet for the tower?

[@Toid]

@@MurphysTactical You can use the same cabinet dimensions that Paul Carmody uses in his Amiga build. This will give you the lowest tuning for that woofer.

[@tulipanz]

I'm a little bit confused.... In your last video about full range driver you flatten your impedance with a notch filter. In this crossover you didn't.... Is so important to flatten impedance or why you did it or why you didn't ??

[@Toid]

I think you might mean frequency response and not impedance? A lot of people appreciate flat frequency responses. This should, in theory, give you an exact representation of your source recording. But I, like many people, have sensitive ears. So I wanted to make the range from 1k-5k attenuated a little, so it did not hurt my ears, but still gives me a great response. No matter what, you want those peaks and valleys to be close (1-3db). So to conclude, you do not have to have a flat frequency response, it is just what a lot of people try to do, which is why I showed it in the video. Does this help?

[@tulipanz]

Yessss now i understand... I watch again the other your video about the notch filter. It was a little bit misunderstanding. The impedance change the shape just cause you adjust the frequency response peak and not the opposite. Now is all clear... Thanks again..

[@G3rain1]

5:41. Ouch, that placement. I promise those sound no where near as good as they can in that location. The should be roughly 1/3 to 1/4 of the room width from the side walls , not right up against them. Also get them at least a foot more forward then they are. Lastly position that rug so it's blocking the floor reflections for both speakers.

[@jimgardiner1558]

I liked this video. I particularly liked your reasoning for where to cross-over based on off axis response graph of the woofer. Of course all things require compromises and in a 2 way design 1800 Hz is pretty tough for the tweeter (hence the need for the 3rd order high pass filter on the tweeter I guess). I would like to see more of your videos so I am subscribing to your channel.

[@syedmudassirrahman1025]

Sir which audio amplifier do u use with these speakers

[@Toid]

These are 80hm, speakers so they are pretty easy to drive. I just use my Pioneer Elite receiver to power them.

[@syedmudassirrahman1025]

power rating?

[@Toid]

@@syedmudassirrahman1025 I didn't test that.

[@flyingdream777]

Hi Would these speakers sound better than the Elac B6.2 ?

[@dilbyjones]

Doubt it but maybe.

[@dilbyjones]

6.2 goes super low but not super super low...lol

[@jayludvigh6958]

I have the 4 ohm version of the RS180. Could you post what changes to the 8 ohm crossover need to be made to enable the use of the 4 ohm? Your channel is very helpful to the DIY audio community, keep up the great work.

[@syedsulaiman8380]

Sir your speakers are a bit different from what Kirby has made so sir do you have any build plans or build video for your speakers and sir u didn't mention the dimensions of the type of enclosure (if ported length and diameter of the ports) Sir can u pls mention all these details

[@Toid]

I used Paul Carmody's Amiga build dimensions. The main difference is I used 3 window braces instead of just 2.

[@syedsulaiman8380]

Sir I dont know what Paul Carmody's Amiga build dimensions is can u explain?

[@Toid]

If you type in Paul Carmody Amiga in google, it should pull up his web-site which gives all the dimensions in inches. His site is undefinition.

[@syedsulaiman8380]

123Toid thank u very much sir

[@joeygonzo]

We need an updated one bro.

[@hermangaviria690]

4:35 check out that fly on your shoulder toid. Awesome build tho

[@Toid]

Haha! I never noticed that before. Great eye.

[@hermangaviria690]

@@Toid Just came here from watching all the other videos on the Dinas, I really love how clever that build was with the use of that plate amplifier ! Currently watching the video on the dinas from the DIY Audio guy lol, I see there's a vented and passive rad version, which is your favorite ?

[@Toid]

@@hermangaviria690 they are both tuned identically. Having said that the ported version a lot of people really love because a lot of air gets moved. But it is a little bit harder to build in the essence that you need quarter inch material as well as half inch material.

[@hermangaviria690]

​@@Toid Completely unrelated but, I watched your video on center channels, and I've watched others too regarding the cancellations that happen from having 2 tweeters in a horizontal line or two full ranges. We want to crossover as low as possible because the two woofers don't have issues in the low end. But my question is what about boom boxes ? All the boom boxes I've seen break this rule of having two sets of tweeters in a horizontal plane relative to one another. Are these builds ignoring those off axis issues or is something else at play here ?

[@Toid]

@@hermangaviria690 that’s an absolutely great question. With a boombox you almost have to. So you will still have those cancellations, but there’s very little you can do about it unless you want to DIY one where you could have the speakers disconnect from the central unit and put those off to the side wherever you want. But otherwise pretty much all boomboxes are going to have cancellations which we call comb filtering

[@joentell]

What an awesome build. That frequency response graph looks really good. I wish I could hear them. Too bad I'm on the other coast.

[@Toid]

Haha, I know, just a little too far away.

[@criven3128]

Joe N Tell hi! Didn’t know you watched Toid, I really appreciate both of your channels as an aspiring audio enthusiast myself

[@joentell]

@@criven3128 Oh yeah. We have an upcoming collaboration together!!!

[@criven3128]

I just watched the video on the drivers for that collaboration now, that’s exciting! Best of luck guys, and thanks for all the amazing work you do

[@syedmudassirrahman1025]

Sir what is the weight of each speaker

[@Toid]

That all depends on the materials you use. I really don't know what mine weigh, I have never weighed them

[@syedmudassirrahman1025]

what material did u use

[@arena_rock_man9030]

The plans for these are no longer available on your Etsy store Nick. And what the heck happened to Kirby Meets Audio? He's been incognito for the past 2 years.

[@mikeleahy5283]

This does not look like the same one kirby did up on his CNBC. Have this same box I built with some scan speak 1-1/8 and seas 7" the clarity in the mids is excellent but is bass shy. Nice build.

[@Toid]

Thanks Mike! You are right, our build are different, mainly because I don't have a cnc. So Kirby went with more of a bookshelf speaker. I decided to turn mine into a full tower to make full use of the bass extension. I was actually really surprised to hear yours are bass shy. That is one area, I was really impressed with the Dayton's. I'd love to see some pictures of your build sometime.

[@ziggy8757]

did kirby use a different crossover design for his bookshelf speakers or is it the same as yours?

[@Toid]

@@ziggy8757 the same

[@PA5cAl1]

Kirby did mount the woofer behind the front baffle so that might be a problem as it will move the acoustic center of the woofer 3/4 or so inches

[@jeferojorojomaryin5838]

Forget about this youtubers and buil the paul carmody " the amiga" version, Paul is a goodhearted designer not.a greedy youtuber

[@mhester99]

So people with sound induced hearing loss (shooting guns or listening to too much loud music) have what is called the "4K notch". My ex gf is an ENT doc and I thought she was a genius when she said she bet I had 4K loss and the auidogram proved here right (but that just happens to be the range affected by damage to the ears!) So would it make sense to design a crossover to provide a boost @ 4K since so many people (mainly men) have some 4K loss?

[@Toid]

That's an interesting question. I've never really heard anyone do that before. It might be kind of hard to get an increase in just that range. Probably would just be easier to DSP it.

[@KZ-yu4jz]

Awesome! Looking forward to the series. I like the new logo. Where did 123 Toid come from?

[@Toid]

Thank you! I'm glad to hear you like the new logo. This was a great build. I hope people build this, it really is a great sounding set of speakers. Funny you should ask, Parts Express did a video a while back asking me that. It is found here: kzbin.info/www/bejne/jZbYkGyNmN2sr9km11s But the basic premise is my channel started by accident and I had an Altoids container nearby. :D

[@KZ-yu4jz]

ha that is funny. Neat interview. I failed miserably yesterday trying to make a box (7.5" X 5.5") with mitered edges glue and clamps. Odd thing is I am (or thought I was) pretty handy, although using clamps (too big) was my mistake and I think I should just stick with tape. You make the builds easier than they are :)

[@Toid]

@@KZ-yu4jz Haha, that's just because you guys don't always see the mistakes ;) I'm always learning and taking others opinions. Going from there. It's good to constantly try yo better yourself

[@jimthvac100]

Any idea what happened to Kirby? he has not made a new video in about 4 years.

[@Toid]

I really don’t know. But I do wish him the best. Last I heard he was doing well. I just wasn’t making KZbin videos anymore.

[@waynecoots3634]

Did you consider an AMT for this build?

[@Toid]

Not for this build. I am thinking of doing one at a later date.

[@wccrispy]

Do you consider these better than the Amigas?

[@Toid]

They are very similar. They use the same woofer tune to the same frequency, the difference is the upgraded tweeter. however, the Migos are tailored a little bit more to the low end.

[@jeferojorojomaryin5838]

Well my friend, the amigas have a Paul Carmody crossover work ,plus the vifa tweeter is far better, im sorry but the crossover design on this video is very lazy.. ,plus this youtubers never want to share full plans, the world of diy audio is way more goodhearted , it has been like that since always ( i mean the real diy hifi world) , besides Paul explains the cabinet size and construction, plus chambered tested for fs 34 hz, the amigas are a delight in the full spectrum not bass oriented, paul goal is always 20 to 20k flat as posible.. and like this amigas the bass can be extended to 30's. Hello from denmark..

[@mrkennethporter]

parts list in Europe is considerable more. brings it to 410 US

[@kristofferreiersen4718]

Okay, you got me excited. Especially the part about not needing a sub, this fits my constraints. This is a really nice design, I need to build these! May I ask the baffle width? And did you put ports on backside or frontside? And does it matter?

[@Toid]

If you want the midst extension from this woofer, you can use Paul Carmody's Amiga build. That what I did for the towers I built. I may make some small adjustments to the crossover. I always give it a few months listening before I decide it not. With that being said, I always out the crossover somewhere easy to get to later if you decide to make any changes.

[@kristofferreiersen4718]

Solid information, thank you very much! Do you think I will be able to drive them with the DTA120?

[@Toid]

Definitely. That is what I use to test my speakers. I am currently using a Pioneer Elite with room correction.

[@mcjonner]

@@Toid hey have you had a chance to rethink the cross over or enclosure? I'm very interested in this build and would like to see if there's any tweeks you'd like to make. Thanks for this build so far

[@MrFrobbo]

Good stuff. I notice you three (you know who u are lol) tend to concentrate on budget builds, but hey how about something mid range too. For example my two ways cost in order of 150GBP per driver so around 800GBP in total, again this is still WAY less than typical brands and from drivers only seen in 4k+ systems. Just a thought.

[@Toid]

I'm working on a few designs right now with higher end drivers. You'll actually see she videos next week on some Wavecor drivers I'll be using in a build.

[@MrFrobbo]

@@Toid looking forward to it, cheers 👍👌👍

[@williamblackwell9558]

The crossover needs to be designed from the acoustical output of the speaker, not the free air FR of a driver.

[@MrBrymstond]

Nice!

[@Toid]

Thanks. These really are great speakers. I haven't built every kit on the market in this price range, but I think these would be very hard to beat in that range.

[@danbalkey2580]

would nice to here from during biuld of it

[@syedsulaiman8380]

U R GREAT

[@theejoeylee]

Ahhh the infamous BBC dip

[@Toid]

You know it

[@maxjasmine]

My wife would kill me if I soldered on our kitchen table.

[@dreamdiction]

You don't need to worry about beaming above 7khz because there is no musical information in frequencies above 7khz.

[@Toid]

I'm not sure where you heard that, but that is not correct.

[@dreamdiction]

@@Toid Most classical concerts are recorded live, an engineer with a frequency spectrum analyse walks around the concert hall while setting up the microphones. At the front row position right in front of the orchestra, there is nothing above 7khz. Do the test yourself before you reply.

[@Toid]

@@dreamdiction I build custom monitors for recording studios. You stated there is "no musical information above 7khz." That is erroneously false. You then talk about a small section of music, in where they may be true. But knowing that cymbals and other percussion instruments can easily reach 17khz and since every beyond 20khz, I find your statement very hard to believe. having said that, every recording studio that I've ever designed a custom monitor for, requires at least 20 khz for their mixes.

[@joeygonzo]

Anyone here build this speaker yet ?

[@christianginella5545]

How about a headphone listen? I'm curious as to why you'd hesitate to use an air inductor instead and some mills resistors, yeah I know it would cost a little more but that's why we don't trust the speaker business. Huge prices with crappy crossovers. Just a thought friend.

[@randyhunt1581]

There is absolutely no comparisson between surround system and a stereo .

[@adrianmack3]

That's absolutely true, however, in a secondary room that is not a primary movie watching space, this is a perfectly acceptable solution. As he said, his wife doesn't care how many speakers are in his theater room, but livingroom is a little more restrained.

[@jeferojorojomaryin5838]

@@adrianmack3 wifes ruling audio? Mmm

[@michaelz6870]

Whatever happened to ole Kirby? I think we were replaced once he and the mrs. found themselves with child. 😮

[@MrFrobbo]

Dayton.....come on, can we have some alternatives please... Scan Speak etc.....

[@Toid]

I'll see what I can do.

[@MrFrobbo]

That would be great, be good to see some Peerless/Tymphony, Seas, Vifa creep in. Us UK guys can't get Dayton from our typical driver providers and the import charges make Dayton budgets uncompetitive. Cheers dude!

[@Toid]

@@MrFrobbo I will have some Wavecor drivers coming up this week. I also have done Tangband coming soon.

[@johnsweda2999]

Well I won't say he is a nice guy troubled maybe! i tried to give him some advice he ban me

[@chrisvinicombe9947]

Perhaps he mistook your direct manner for an insult. People (myself included) often confuse the the two.

[@JasonLeaman]

Don't worry you aren't missing out on much with him.

[@johnsweda2999]

Mr Dashpuppy no probably not try to give him some advice on his health that's a thanks i got naivety of youth.

[@JasonLeaman]

John sweda yup, I told him few weeks ago that chipamps are a waste no matter what brand of cap they throw into the circuit it's still a 10$ chip. He got mad and blocked me too. Oh well. At least 123 is smarter than him..

[@dontcallmetravis]

You’re ..... dialogue .... was ..... more ....fatiguing... than .... any ....speaker.

[@darshitdarji3217]

Is this video sponsored by mountain dew?

[@Toid]

Lol, nope. But u do love Mt. Dew! 😁 Maybe I'll get some for Christmas