The Best Dragon Ball Game You Forgot About

[@Negativedemon98]

Never forgot about this game, bought it day one when it released and still have my copy of it to this day. Plus I have a special appreciation for it for being one of the few DBZ games to have ChiChi on the roster.

[@CerealExperimentsMizuki]

Any game where she's in, I'll play her, she's my Dragon Ball waifu.

[@CerealExperimentsMizuki]

@SharinganSakura I prefer the early to mid DBZ Chi-Chi.

[@GrizZ12xmiLUL]

Still to this day lol

[@kanibusxgod3397]

@@CerealExperimentsMizuki is it weird i prefer end of buu saga chi chi?

[@ChiseledAdonis]

I actually never even knew this game existed! I thought Budokai & Tenkaichi we're the only games out for the Gen 2 consoles.

[@drinknukacola5315]

Infinite world and sagas

[@Repetoire]

@@drinknukacola5315 we don't talk about Sagas lmao

[@NOSMTG]

@@Repetoire sagas was a good game

[@NOSMTG]

@@Repetoire sagas was a good game

[@The44sasquatch]

This is a gen 6 game lol

[@Uno_Hunter]

I remember this being the first game I stayed up till the sunlight playing. Getting Trunks maxed out and BP over 1,000,000

[@m74568]

Ong

[@jonathanprice9268]

I remember this game. The only mode I beat was arcade mode. I gave up on z survival. I also did practice mode to get better at transforming into a super saiyan

[@divinenumerology7178]

Your comment makes me feel good

[@DatRitzBoi]

Vegeta: "Over a million??!"

[@simonlong4718]

same

[@JJ.Picasso]

This game was cool as hell but I just remember trying to go super saiyan. Hardest input ever but it was badass.

[@Cookie._14]

I swear it gave me more blisters than the budokai stick clashes 😂😂

[@yungblade7]

This game is so worthy of a remaster with pvp in 2022. Hell even a remake with more characters, the fighting mechanics in this game is so rewarding

[@gpbear4]

you might be interested to see i recently ran Super DBZ at Evo 2022 with Vortex Gallery

[@peoplesaidmypfpiscursedafb6902]

You can play as Adult Chi Chi equipped with the OG relics like Power Pole, Basho Fan, Nimbus Cloud and even her classic bikini warrior costume yet I never heard about this game before?. Shame on me! I feel like an uncultured pleb

[@gpbear4]

i recommend giving it a try. its fun and unique.

[@PatternLand]

Adult chichi? Nice

[@xXDRD9Xx]

I remember asking my grandparents to keep renting this game for me at Blockbuster back in 2006. We only had the weekend to play it, but man I sure made the most out of it. Being an adult now, I made sure to purchase this game.

[@RoseSupreme]

This game's artstyle looks gorgeous. Look at the maps!

[@J4yDiZz1e]

I am so glad more people are slowly but surely shedding light on this gem. I appreciate your overall efforts and research behind this game. I see this video (and your whole channel) blowing up soon rather than later. Keep it going!

[@GiuseppeAngelino95]

I remember that found this game just after alla the Budokai/Tenkaichi came out. I played every single PS2 DBZ game before this, still i was AMAZED by the graphics and the art style. This games deserved more and people should know about it. Really liked it

[@blackheartzerotheundergrou3225]

I did some research, and I think that "never-before-seen fighter" hinted at in Z Survivor Mode was supposed to be something called Full Armor Mecha Frieza. A version of Mecha Frieza with a cannon and grenade launcher mounted on his back, and landmines that are deployed from his tail. It was a form made exclusively for this game.

[@gpbear4]

that is one of the characters, but its just supposed to pick randomly out of the PS2 exclusive characters. he didnt get to fight them because it requires you to collect 5 stamps before the fight.

[@silkoth69]

@@gpbear4 Who are the exclusive characters??

[@gpbear4]

@@silkoth69 top and characters of the select screen weren’t on arcade which released first. u.Gohan, Videl, m.Buu, c.Frieza, k.Piccolo and m.Vegeta

[@Y-two-K]

There's so little about Full Armor Mecha Frieza online. How do you definitely unlock him?

[@gpbear4]

@@Y-two-K use 10 wishes, then the wish for mecha frieza will appear in the enhanced wish section

[@drinkduff6536]

I still have my old PS2 and this game. It's DBFZ before DBFZ. Edit: This game tore my thumbs up.

[@Wolfedge75]

Super DBZ is the manga and DBFZ is the anime.

[@kingnexuz3823]

Nah more like prototype xenoverse

[@jotaro8043]

Im so happy that you can use Vegetas Technique™

[@CloudMountainJuror]

The inability to fight the CPU in versus mode is what crippled its replayability for me. But I still love it.

[@DavidLucian]

Nostalgia, one of the most underrated DBZ games for sure, it felt very unique ☯️

[@LightBringer666]

goku didn't lie to you, you had to get a bunch of perfect wins and meet certain conditions to fight a hidden boss fight, similar to any fighting game's arcade mode.

[@kingbrezzy1253]

Then who is the hidden boss?

[@LightBringer666]

@@kingbrezzy1253 i've never had it happen to me, but i believe it was a powered up version of majin buu or one of the androids. the reason goku says there's a new unseen fighter is because of a translation context mishap. the game on arcade didn't have buu and some of the characters added for the ps2 release (same for survival mode itself), the comment references that, i think.

[@kyraxgluco1745]

@@LightBringer666 a little bit late but yes, you are right. You fight against Majin Buu in a double or nothing match.

[@dragleo4354]

@@kingbrezzy1253 The Hidden boss is Majin Vegeta..

[@truspann6522]

This game was apart of my childhood it took me a long time to master how to turn into super sayian then everything else kinda got easy I’m glad you have reviewed this game it’s good and even better when your not playing alone

[@arrombaacasa390]

This game sure looks cool ngl

[@gpbear4]

i recommend giving it a try

[@GoreObsessed992]

This was my first and up until I was old enough to get a job,only dragon ball game. I remember being 9/10 and my only way to watch Z was find spliced KZbin videos where the final fight against Kid Buu was grainy,and in over 6 parts. Or I remember the website for the show I had managed to find a few episodes of GT they let you watch for free,I can recall staring at the ads for the dragon box and hoping someday I’d find the courage to ask my parents to buy it with its huge price tag. So when I went to blockbuster and found this game,I went crazy! I Can still remember Mecha’s Frieza stupid intro of “Im the strooongest!” and spending all my time trying to max out both him and Vegeta. Getting Vegeta’s saiyan saga outfit in a week was still my greatest achievement on a PS2. The games repetitive,but man does it capture a feeling very few games have given me throughout my life.

[@tristanalain9239]

So glad to finally see this game get the love and attention it deserves

[@Onepieceistheworstfuckinganime]

After so many years huh Tristan?

[@tristanalain9239]

@@Onepieceistheworstfuckinganime yes. I remember Playing this on demo at best buy in middle school. Didn't have a PS2 so I could not buy it. But my folks spent way to long in there doing some shit, so I had a lot of time to dick around on it.

[@ChronoDegeneration]

Imagine traveling the whole world relentlessly searching and battling foes to collect all seven dragonballs, only to wish for “a better outfit”.

[@TypetwoAbsolute]

The thing I remember most about this game is in the magazines it was revealed that mecha frieza was uniquely redesigned in this game by Akira Toriyama themselves which is a big deal since dragonball hadn't had anything new since GT (Super hadn't been realized yet) and it turns out that this was just a translation error

[@lain328]

Personally love the hell out of this game practically no story mode or anything just good classic arcade fun with a good upgrade system and you can literally give Videl Kamehameha.

[@Nathanpark-cu2gd]

I'm so downloading this for pcsx 2 rn.

[@aemear66]

The quality of this video made me think that you at LEAST had 1 million subs. I was surprised when I saw how underrated you are

[@mrCetus]

I remember this being the first game I stayed up till the sunlight playing. Getting Trunks maxed out and BP over 1,000,000

[@gpbear4]

are you on the Super DBZ Discord server?

[@williamchristie3459]

I remember when this came out I bought it and then my family and I went on holiday to New Zealand but as soon as I got back from my holiday I just went hard and finished it within a week collecting all outfits for all characters and their alternative colours so to me this is a gem that should get euther a remaster or a port to the current and newer consoles

[@gpbear4]

i think its very unlikely. i dont think the IP holder or publisher care about the game. but we do have an SDBZ Discord server for likeminded people like yourself :) i’ll be sure to welcome you if you join.

[@RangoTheMercenary]

One thing that hurt it was the respec (resetting skills). It takes so long to just grind and change up your skill tree. It would have been easier to just let you customize your moveset from the get-go and save the RPG mechanics for another mode. Or even just make you unlock them once and customize them from there. Best parts about this game were the music, visuals, unique character designs, and interactable stages. It's fun, it's good, but it could definitely be better. I also like the unique 3D fighting gameplay.

[@MrGonz801]

I learnt how to do Street Fighter inputs because of this game. I worked hard to understand how to play with everyone in the roster and it was only after I learnt how to pull off everyone's special moves that I realised the the inputs in street fighter are the same

[@gpbear4]

are you still interested in Super DBZ? theres much more to it than just the attack commands lol

[@omarimorgan6214]

The soundtrack in super dragon ball Z was amazing 🔥🔥🔥

[@IAmMightyMike]

I remember wanting this as a kid for the sole reason you can play as mecha frieza and (I think) Chi-Chi. Which was unheard of at the time

[@FileCorruption]

Dude you're so underrated, not even 1k Subs? That's criminal my man. Love this video man.

[@grinbrothers]

10:25 - On that note, it's weird how there has never been an OG Dragon Ball fighting game, given it had 2 martial arts tournament as part of it's story. Perhaps a dedicated focus on OG Dragon Ball would have given this game great memorability. In any case, I do recall seeing this games on store shelves when I was a kid but never purchasing it. A shame, as the character selection is unique, the customisation/upgrading factor cool and the 3d stages awesome; you did a great job showcasing these factors through this video.

[@user-ny5vp9be8v]

The game based on the OG Dragon Ball for Wii had a fighting game mode.

[@grinbrothers]

@@user-ny5vp9be8v True, Dragon Ball: Revenge of King Piccolo did have a fighting game mode to it, but that isn't quite the same as a full on fighting game. That, and said fighting game mode wasn't exactly the greatest... a better example would be the fighting game mode found within Dragon Ball Advanced Adventure (would have loved to have seen that expanded into a full-on game).

[@asgth6147]

There where 3 martial arts tournaments in OG Dragon Ball, 21st ending in Goku VS Jackie Chun, 22nd ending in Goku VS Tien, and 23rd ending in Goku VS Ma Junior.

[@grinbrothers]

@@asgth6147 Oh yes, forgot the 23rd Tournament due to Goku being an adult in that one. It feels like an odd transition period between OG Dragon Ball and Z in a way (and in terms of a game sense, they would have to create a new model for Goku to have both Kid and Adult; which is probably why a Advance Adventure and Revenge of King Piccolo stop at the King Piccolo arc).

[@quarreneverett4767]

Tenkaichi 2 and 3 had some love to db

[@Marcelo_DBZ_Music]

I love the look of this game. The cartoony backgrounds and muted color palette; it literally feels like you're fighting in the manga

[@AstraFulminous]

I still have this game. Like so much about it.

[@sousukesagara-im3td]

I love this game. It was the first ps2 game I ever picked out back when my dad gave me his PS2.

[@switcheezy]

Super dbz has never been forgotten by me and was one of my favorite dragon ball games

[@LungEater]

i was like 8 when i got birthday money and decided i wanted a DBZ game. went to the store and saw this and BT2. was not familiar with either game so i got this was just because i thought the cover was cooler. when i eventually learned about BT2 and what the BT series was like, for several years i wished i had gotten BT2 that day but my thoughts on that have since changed. I'm so glad i picked this one and got to experience so many hours of it. Sure it lacks the roster and characters of other DBZ games but it plays most like traditional fighting games like no other dbz game does which i think is part of the reason this game was slept on. a DBZ game with 100+ characters where 90% fight almost identically is more appealing to a casual fan than an 18 character roster where they all fight uniquely (especially with the skill tree system). It makes sense though. being able to switch between 100+ characters and being able to do the same attacks with the same button presses and not having to go into training mode and spend time learning each one is very appealing. Not to say that the BT series doesn't have depth to its fighting, it does, just that majority of people overlook it and instead opt to mash square and throw out energy beams which of course there's nothing wrong with. The budokai/tenkaichi series was something any DBZ fan could enjoy where as super DBZ i think mainly appealed to fighting game fans. Personally I prefer super DBZ since im a fighting game fan but my friends who like DBZ but arent into fighting games prefer the tenkaichi games probably because of reasons stated above. Also just as a random side note, one thing i dont like in super DBZ is that if you set the difficulty to hard, it doesnt change A.I behavior much, if it all, it just makes them deal twice as much damage lmao.

[@gpbear4]

have you ever seen the SDBZ players from Japan? some of them never stopped playing the arcade version since it released

[@TheCreativeStoryMan]

Should of appreciate this game more when my parents got it. I would never believe anyone to like this game. Now that I missed out will never know the feeling again. But at least I got to get as much stuff in the other dragon ball games.

[@gpbear4]

its never too late to play. i only started in late 2019

[@Gonou2000]

I really liked this style of videos! I hope you keep up at it

[@babauranai]

I never forgot about it. I was so mad the ps2 people could play budokai 3, this and tenkaichi while we gamecube people only had sagas and budokai 2

[@SideTrackTVOfficial]

I remembering being a kid at gamestop and saw this game... I desperately wanted a dbz game beacuse until then i had only ever owned the ps1 game dbz Utimate battle 22 but unfortunately I had an original xbox not a ps2 so I ended up finding a copy of dbz sagas that day... I wonder how much fun i missed out on that i could have had playing this game....

[@gpbear4]

i only started playing SDBZ in 2019. its never too late lol

[@CodenameCMB]

damn this is actually a decent video.

[@Iceyblu]

I remember my mom got me this, played it so much frfr. I loved it dearly to this day! To this day

[@gokushkameha-ha-ha9344]

I played this after tenkaichi and returned it the same day. Now that I'm old and cultured with games I'm hunting for this masterpiece. Little slow, little small scaled, but it has a special aesthetic to it I love

[@VOAN]

This is indeed a wonderful game, the only problem is it's exclusive to just the PS2 and there are certain games I just couldn't stand playing on PS2. A Dragon Ball Z fighting game with less than 20 characters is one of them.

[@megaalx7889]

God this was one of my first DBZ games as a kid, the hardest part for me was trying to go ssj

[@learn2finesse795]

I played the fuck out this when I was young, never forgot about this game. Frieze was my favorite character on this game!

[@alex01101]

I wish more Dragon ball games would try replicate the manga style, this game is still one of the best looking dragon ball games out there.

[@VLE-Grimace]

I remember being out at the store and asking my grandma to buy me this game, when I got home to play it I was so excited but got bored with it pretty quickly. I was only like 11 at the time and didn’t understand all the upgrading and boosting stuff so I just sold it to a pawn shop. Looking back on it now I wish I would’ve spent more time with this game, it looks like so much fun.

[@gpbear4]

you should give it another try. you can find copies for like $10-20 USD

[@UltimateShadow10]

This game always looked so fun, I regret that I never played it but, I was always aware of it.

[@gpbear4]

its never to late to start playing. we’ve got a Super DBZ Discord server if you wanna find others to play with

[@Bigrice65]

Bruh the soundtrack in tht game was fire🔥🔥🔥

[@Marwu21]

Me and my friends had a lot of fun playing this together. Had to try many times to get some of the trickier super inputs, like spirit bomb. I always thought it was so cool with how some characters got the parts equipped when they learned the corresponding special moves, like Cyborg Frieza and Chichi. I had one Cyborg Frieza with all the additional parts, and one without.

[@yamatotsu]

Holy shit, I actually did forget about this game. I used to own this when I was younger, and I actually liked this game more than most of the other dragon ball z games I had

[@dennisbergkamp17]

YES ! I loved Super Dragon Ball Z, the soundtrack was fantastic, I love the arcadey sound effects, and the gameplay was so unique compared to the other Dragon Ball games I had played. I still have fond memories of playing this for hours upon hours with my brother.

[@remyheart27]

I wasn't a fan of limited character selection. The unlocks were underwhelming

[@vidguru0062]

Neither was I but to be honest, there was so much to each character that i got over that after awhile

[@StarHavensHero]

Man, this takes me back. Final bout was another like this that I don’t hear a lot of people talk about.

[@docholiday4129]

Holy shit you dug up a forgotten memory. I can’t believe i forgot this game

[@DirtyCurti]

That cover art just brought back so many hidden memories.

[@brianjackson3031]

Congratulations on your first viral video

[@micjoco]

This was my favorite dbz game before XenoVerse series I wish it would be remade

[@ActiveReloaded]

This soundtrack be hitting hard.

[@gpbear4]

i recommend you to check out more of Supersweep’s work

[@ddeviledart7519]

Game Was A Gem❤️, Pure Soulful and enjoyable to play. Even the Soundtrack yet have to Say A lot Of DBZ games Soundtracks Are Amazing ❤️❤️❤️🏆🏆🏆

[@herohut725]

This dude really sold it for me. They should come out with a game that has the unique functions this game had and add what it lacks which is what he pointed out. I will say my favorite part is with Chi Chi having her alternate costume. Yeah I said it. I said it because some are afraid to.

[@Loki-kg1hh]

I had this game I forgot about this into now thanks for helping me remember this.

[@mingywantwingy1379]

Don't think I ever had the Pleasure. First Console DBZ Game I remember playing was Budokai. THAT Game blew my Young Mind. I will have to pick this up sometime soon. Thanks! Ps. 600th Sub!

[@ssj2rhandy]

A very solid DBZ game worth every penny I remember playing it in the arcade in 2010 it was in Japanese no English I bought my own copy in 2019 :)

[@gpbear4]

i think i might’ve asked alright, but do you remember the name of the arcade or where it was located?

[@ssj2rhandy]

@@gpbear4 round 1 arcade in puente hills mall in California Its still there today but super dbz was there more than a decade ago

[@gpbear4]

@@ssj2rhandy really, Purnte Hills? i know the recent Temecula location has it, but i never saw it at Puente Hills. thanks for the reply

[@ssj2rhandy]

@@gpbear4 anytime dude This was back in 2010 unfortunately Super DBZ got removed :/

[@gpbear4]

@@ssj2rhandy thats pretty unfortunate. though im always on the lookout for SDBZ history like this, so thanks again for the info.

[@kynshii]

I'm impressed with those graphics even now in 2022

[@jayempreem]

The user interface looks so good and creative

[@raiderishere]

yo i dont know why you only got 199 subs but ill sub

[@kayedits1791]

My brother actually has this game thank goodness I have a Ps2 cuz I’ve played this game when I was a little little kid now that I’m older I wanna try it

[@gpbear4]

what characters do you wanna try?

[@kayedits1791]

@@gpbear4 Zsword Gohan. I remember waaaaay back then me and my brother would change the colors of trunks and Gohan and name them Dante and Vergil 🥲 ahhh good ol days.

[@JohnGlow2]

I played the ever living hell out of this growing up. I remember i thought it was kinda weird looking but it keeps you hooked for hours. Another comment already said he played till daybreak and thats really how it was. Min maxing, customizing moves( I shamelessly gave Trunks Kamehameha) learning combos and customizing your character, it was very much in the same vein as Tekken. The soundtrack was pretty dope too. I would say heavily underrated for sure, and it even has a competitive scene.

[@gpbear4]

are you on the Super DBZ Discord server?

[@yup686]

You just brought back some amazing childhood years of mine.. wow

[@MegaDrain]

"So why is it no one remembers this game" Because 370,000 even by the ps2 era is still a very small number. All the budokai and tenkaichi games individually sold in the millions. Infinite World sold even less copies than Super DBZ. However, the only reason people remember it is because it's basically Budokai 3 with Shin Budokai gameplay. That and emulators have helped bring it to the spotlight. I didn't even know about it until 2015.

[@bartek8309]

Yeah I played this game, kinda cool, i even made an sequel suggestion to this game with anime only character which were designed by Toriyama for Toei on Dragon Ball Fanon wiki. Seriusly as much I like Bido, you guys probably would want to play as Zangya instead (both of which were designed by Toriyama himself, albeit with green skin instead of greenish blue)

[@maiers]

How do you only have 66 subs man? +1 from me, keep them coming! :)

[@toyos6969]

i remember buying this game when i was little and my big bro was so dissapointed when we booted it... we swaped it for Dragon quest VIII the next day. When i think about it this game is not bad by any means but for the standards of the time the presentation was not enough to hook us up on the first hours like budokai or tenkaichi did

[@Finfection]

It's understandable. Most people were used to playing DBZ simulators and that's what they wanted. But, if you were looking for a serious DBZ fighting game then this was the real deal.

[@cinderefell1399]

I think about this game all the time.

[@gpbear4]

join us on the Super DBZ Discord server 😛

[@DavidUzumaki1010]

Keep up the good work my dude, great video!

[@suckme2927]

Burst limit was always a gem in the dbz series. The combat is so good.

[@MadPanicGaming]

Loved this game way back when, great gameplay and I enjoyed the customization options.

[@hue_jazz59]

This game gave me a blister on my palm and broke one of my analog sticks

[@lonniedwayne9549]

I love all the old games, never played this one. Hell, I grew up with them. But now I'm happy with XenoVerse 1 & 2. Just bought the bundle 3 days ago and they are awesome.

[@Jjarret]

I have this at my parents still. It’s a classic

[@KnucklesWTD]

I remember renting this and returning it quickly.

[@thunderproductions3983]

Thank you so much for bringing this to light because this is honestly my favorite dbz game but sadly it got scratched up, I had someone fix it but they never gave it back

[@kingkosher6231]

That Chichi outfit is similar to the last tournament but in actuality it's Chichi from the final arc of Dragon Ball to get the Bansho Fan which she has on her back to quell the fires of Ox King's mountain so she can get her wedding dress from the castle. Cheers.

[@laracuente928]

Off all the dbz games I had I had this in my collection, all the budokai and all the tenkahichi and this games was dope

[@emberthefox4951]

There's apparently a competitive scene around this game. It ain't much, but it's there and the players are incredible.

[@alejandroruiz2471]

this was my first ps2 game and loved him, I still like the graphics a lot for some reason

[@PS1Fan1991]

I love Super Dragon Ball Z. I played it as a teenager and I had such a great time.

[@raishirogane7860]

I remember I leveled up my teen gohan hella high. I had my boi in the WHITE Gi with the red under shirt on. My boy was fire my boy was fire

[@stephentaylor3437]

I actually remember this one... Never got to play it for whatever reason, can't remember why I never got it. But I do actually remember seeing it on shelves at the store!

[@Rohgamu]

I remember my friend loaning this game to me in school... I honestly didn't really like it back then but now I find it really cool

[@DavidLucian]

Despite all the DBZ games that have come out over the years, BT2 and BT3 in my opinion still remains the most Unique and the best DBZ games in terms of content, quality and fanservices. And from the gameplay perspective aspects, these DBZ games that I mentioned are very close to the anime itself because of the Vibe and Charm, I don't know how to describe it but it was, and still is the most Unique DBZ experience you could have with the combat factor. (- Sheer amount de of characters - Transformations mid-battle (powering up and down) - Fusions mid-battle - Fast gameplay that has that "woah" feel - Tons of extra content - Story mode covering all sagas + movies - What If sagas - Shenron having permanent impact on game (character unlocks and whatnot) - Great tournaments that rotate availability - Edit characters with items (buffs) - 5v5 battles - Really Great and Epic Soundtracks - Destroyable environments - Entire stages could be blown up into their "destroyed" alternatives - Mission 100 being a great challenge - Artwork is 10/10 - Sound effects are great - Combat feels heavy and satisfying) Only Budokai 3, Infinite World and the Raging Blast 1 and 2 and all of PSP DBZ games are still considered also very solid DBZ games, also the hidden gem that a lot of DBZ fans missed from PS2 Era of DBZ games is "Super Dragon Ball Z" which is also a real Unique and DBZ game, especially for the different gameplay aspects perspective. ☯️✌

[@PierceThaBeast]

Still got this game. I’m about to play this underrated gem

[@shangarbagio]

Me and my brother played the hell out of this game. Spamming banana fans with chi chi and trying to figure out the moves was wild.

[@SamantaUwU_97]

8:48 The way you said it though 🤣🤣🤣🤣 I can't

[@Sneften]

I loved that you can turn your regular Kamehameha into a Bending Kamehameha just by turning the analog stick. I think it worked on some other attacks too but I can't remember.

[@ajarimccaster5747]

BRUH I REMEMBER WHEN THIS CAME OUT LOL dragonball Saga was one that’s been forgotten too

[@VampireA1056]

No, I didn't forget at all

[@BentoAUS]

I remember back in 2012 a video rental store near my home was closing down and selling everything, this was how I got Budokai Tenkaichi 3 and this game and had a lot of fun with both.