The BEST Fuel For Your 2 Stroke Equipment!

[@jimlutz6456]

For a long time I used 100+ octane Av-gas from my local small airport. It was quite expensive, around $4.50 to $5.50 a gallon. It was alcohol free and DID have a low-lead quality so you could NOT use it in your car with cats, but was fine for small engines like outboards, chainsaws, mowers, string trimmers, etc. Now ethanol free is available at a lot of local gas stations and is higher octane and lead free. I was told by an old timer that all High Test gas is ethanol free but have not been able to verify that. Since I have been using it I have had NO failures with carbs and don't have to drain fuel over the winter. The fuel will last for years without deteriorating like the Ethanol fuels which last about 6 months. Especially my outboards, large and small, will start on the first pull or turnover. Great for generators that only get used infrequently. Well worth the extra cost. As far as the mix, I use what the manufacturer suggests . . . . a little extra oil never hurts. Like Jay said . . . "Spark plugs are cheaper than pistons."

[@HomesteadJay]

Hey Jim! Av gas I used to run in my motorcycle lol it was a 1977 so it ran like a well oiled machine on that ethanol and alcohol free stuff for sure! It smelt awesome too hahah! I heard that high test is ethanol free but I'm a little skeptical of that! maybe one day it was but with all the modern cars now I doubt 93 oct is ethanol free but who knows! Stay safe and thanks for watching!

[@2010stoof]

Before watching ill say red armor. My equipment running at 50:1 that i used other oils had carbon. After a season of red armor, carbon is all gone and no smoke. All equipment i started with red armor is as clean as a whistle. Red armor for 16 oz is almost same price as as the gold oil. If you can get non ethanol get it regardless of cost. If you cant get stabil 360 to add and make sure to empty in off season.

[@HomesteadJay]

Indeed all good points! Red armor is good stuff! Best ive used!

[@timthompson5885]

Hey Jay! Very nice video. I use premium gas which is 92 octane ethanol free. I mix mine at a 40:1 ratio. Stay safe my friend!!

[@HomesteadJay]

Hey Tim! Thats a good ratio I do the same pretty much! Thanks for tuning in! Stay Safe!

[@kyleatudub]

Your video review of the 590 played a part in me buying a Timberwolf. Good luck and make more vids!

[@HomesteadJay]

Hey Savage! The 590 is a BEAST! Glad you got it. Run 50:1 echo red armor with non ethanol Fuel if you can and it will run like a rocket! Thanks for tuning in! New videos up multiple times a week!

[@elit3401]

Well explained. Non ethanol gas is very expensive these days. But our machines are worth more than the price of this fuel. Have been using it for years on my lawn equipment. no problems encountered, they always start right up. Nice vedio!

[@HomesteadJay]

Hey Eli! Non ethanol is the BEST! Funny you mention that the non ethanol fuel prices at the pump I use actually is almost the same as regular gas! The non ethanol fuel seems to not be subject to heavy price changes! Must be because its not moved as quickly as the regular gas!

[@elit3401]

@@HomesteadJay Don't know where you live, but it's $ 4.69 for non ethanol at this time in the Great South .

[@HomesteadJay]

@@elit3401 Ill have to find out what mine is up here!

[@glennbennett3373]

I own a large Stihl dealership in Florida. Please keep using pump gas with ethanol, especially E85 and 87 octane. Its great for my repair business and keeps my techs busy all year and we sell more new carbs and carb kits than ever before. love corn alcohol sitting in those carbs.

[@HomesteadJay]

HAHA Hey Glenn! Im sorry if I hurt your business LOL Thank you for letting me know that your techs are crazy cause homeowners are not paying attention to their fuel! I can easily believe that you are busy crazy selling carbs and kits for sure! Thanks for tuning in!

[@sunnydelight4991]

Bull. Pros will not fall for this 🤨🤨🤣. But good luck

[@DIYMyWay]

Hi Jay! I did indeed learn something! The non-ethanol fuel is a great tip. I agree I would err on the side of a little extra oil than not enough. As you say, spark plugs are certainly cheaper to replace that cylinders! Thanks for sharing!

[@HomesteadJay]

Hey Martin! Thanks for tuning in glad you enjoyed!

[@georgedavall9449]

It’s a balancing act; go with what works best for you! 👍

[@hksjoshua]

I mix 32:1 with 91 octane and Maxima formula K2 oil it keeps the bearings happy. No smoke except at start up!!!

[@HomesteadJay]

If it works for you then great! I run the red armor and love it!

[@christopherdavidson4706]

This is what I run also. I also run non-ethenol fuel.

[@TheCeki1982]

@@christopherdavidson4706 Buy alkalyte fuel, Amsoil Dominator oil at 2 percent. Enjoy the superior performance! Clean burning.

[@lindasmith5411]

Hi Jay, thanks for the infor for all equipment,. My husband not able to speak and remind me this important stuff. It suck doing something to the machine that you need to keep running. Thanks, keep reminding us.

[@HomesteadJay]

Hey Linda! I’m always glad to help for sure! If you ever need any help or any questions just feel free to ask!

[@evanchapmanfanman]

I always use ethanol free gas with all my power equipment, I typically run my oil ratio a tad richer in all my 2 cycle stuff due to how hard I run my machines, no new wear after 4 years of medium use. Many of my machines are quite old yet they start easier than modern stuff.

[@HomesteadJay]

Hey Evan! Good stuff! I wish I had the money to fill my 55 gallon drum With non ethanol fuel! I don’t have the money and or time now to go fill it haha but it’s on the list of to do! That’s good you have no isUes! What oil do you mix in? I use echo red armor at 50:1

[@evanchapmanfanman]

@@HomesteadJay I typically mix generic ace hardware oil, it is the same oil I’ve been using for many years with no problems, I wouldn’t use It for a high performance dirt bike but I find it is perfectly adequate for heavy yard clearing and cutting logs.

[@nickgrant42]

In the past 3 years I’ve used non ethanol fuel with VP racing 2 stroke oil mixed 40:1. All of my 2 stroke small engines have been running excellent!

[@HomesteadJay]

Hey Nick! I couldn’t agree more! I need to refill on my non ethanol supply I just ran out!

[@MrSGL21]

and its pretty cheap for what you get. $7 at walmart, $9 at tractor supply for a pint. red armor is $13 a pint from home depot. fricken sthils terrible oils are $3.50-$4:50 for just 6.4 ounces. the vp is jaso fd rated, for real they paid for testing and certified jaso fd and has fuel stablizers.

[@Slim1423]

@@MrSGL21 VP 2 cycle oil actually is rated JASO FD, ISO-L-EGD, and API TC (meerts or exceeds). Saw it today at Tractor Supply Company. Plus it has fuel stabilizer also. I have never used it, but i may try it.

[@Robb403]

I use the highest octane gasoline I can find with an oil ratio according to factory specs. I use a Husqvarna 2 cycle oil for my good saw. But, my cheap saw uses a 25 to one ratio. So, I use a less expensive oil for that. As long as it meets the manufacturer's requirements, which you can usually check on the bottle, that's going to be good enough. The cheap saw burns through fuel faster anyway. So there's no use wasting oil. One thing I will say is to keep a list of equipment and fuel ratios in a very prominent place. Write them on the inside of your storage box or on the wall of the shed. Because, as you accumulate power tools, that information tends to be forgotten and lost. When one saw takes 50/1 another takes 25/1 a weed trimmer takes 40/1 and so on, its very important not to get the ratios confused. As far as I remember, people put extra oil in the fuel for older saws from a long time ago because they had lower compressions and were made of iron. They wore out faster then. Now, I'm not sure it makes any difference as long as you use what the manufacturer specifies. Even 2 cycle oil these days is a lot more consistent in quality then it used to be with most of it being synthetic now. But, to each their own. If that's what works for you, that's what you should do.

[@HomesteadJay]

Hey Rob! All good points for sure! Ive heard that before that the older oils didn't have the same lubricating properties of modern stuff so old school rations like 25:1 would prob be now 40:1 on modern oil but like you said to each their own hahah a little extra smoke and mosquito control never hurt no one LOL! Thanks for leaving such a detailed comment! Its much appreciated!

[@AnarchAngel1]

What Jay said. The only reason the older saws called for more oil was because oils and lubricants were much less advanced then. Even the cheap modern oils are better than oil was when those saws came out. Run them at 40:1with quality oil and you'll be absolutely fine. I run Saber at 70:1 in everything no matter what ratio is called for and have zero problems. It's probably the only oil I would trust that lean though

[@thisisyourcaptainspeaking2259]

I use FRESH regular pump gas 32:1 with seadoo t2 xps2 API-TC full synthetic. Ethanol fuel is very hard an all rubber parts for sure. API-TC spec is intended for air cooled 2-stroke engines. I still run my original saws, all 12 of them are decades old and fuel lines replaced every few years as ethanol is tough on them. I'm beginning to experiment with nylon fuel lines and walbro's spiral metering diaphragm s.

[@HomesteadJay]

Hey James! Thanks for watching! I agree that ethanol is tough on all rubber parts like diaphragm and fuel lines! I do want to try the walbros spiral diaphragms I saw those not too long ago online and seems like such a great idea!

[@erikdbriggs1]

Hey Jay! I run 32:1 ratio. I used to run echo red armor, but have recently switched to Schaeffer's. Ethenol free of course.

[@HomesteadJay]

Hey Erik! Ethanol free is the way to go for sure!

[@Sensei948]

1:33 is ok ?

[@healyfamily4]

Great information. I always try to buy ethanol free gas for all my outdoor power equipment. I will try adding just a little more oil to my gas mixture.

[@HomesteadJay]

Hey Rich! You may need to fine tune the carb if you add some oil but you could be ok lol it depends on the machine! My old school mcculloch top handle saw runs on anything LOL

[@healyfamily4]

Homestead Jay I will research that! Thanks.

[@bhermon265]

Hey jay we run 98 premium non ethanol fuel at 25/1 in all our saws never had a problem 👍

[@HomesteadJay]

Hey Bec! Glad you never had an issue! Stay safe!

[@donnairn3419]

There is a converse argument that extra oil tends to gum things up and makes the saw run hotter. It seems likely that excess oil will increase costs and emissions. The petrol evaporating helps cool the motor. If you are getting obvious smoke you have more than enough lubrication. If the exhaust pipe seems wet with oil you have too much. If you know more than the engineers and technical people at the factory start varying the fuel : oil ratio. it seems likely that this ratio will be conservative because even the most careful person will have variations in how precisely they mix fuel Ethanol in the fuel should be avoided. For those on the metric system this is a lot easier to work out

[@Rick-jq8ng]

Thanks Jay, I appreciate your follow up - hope I didn’t start the old oil/fuel debate for 2 cycle engines. I run Echo Red Armor oil in 91 octane (gas station) fuel with an appropriate amount of Ethanol Shield. After I’ve completed break-in I mix my fuel at 45:1 for my 50:1 equipment and 36:1 for my 40:1 equipment. Essentially running a 10% “fat” oil/fuel mix and then tune accordingly. I wish I could get 91 non-ethanol fuel but the closet station is over 90 miles away from where I live in the Rockies so it’s not much of an option. I like the idea of the 93 octane Echo Red Armor pre-mix as well, just can’t get past spending almost 30 bucks a gallon as I usually go through 4 or 5 gallons per season. Mixing Echo Red Armor oil and ethanol shield with the 91 octane (albeit 10% ethanol) fuel has worked very well for me over the years. With the exception of my newer CS-501P most of my equipment is between 5 and 15 years old, I even have a 16 year old Poulan Wild Thing and a 20+ year old craftsman 50cc cultivator. I tune all of my equipment myself and it’s rare that it takes more than 3 or 4 pulls (dead cold) to start any of them.

[@HomesteadJay]

Hey Rick! Thats good you use ethanol shield in lieu of non ethanol fuel! This station for me was far away but it could be one of those things if we are in the area ill get some more, I only run non ethanol in all the small engines and I dont use that much gas! The lawnmower is a guzzling twin cylinder so I use regular pump in that but ill store with non ethanol over winter! Glad you have had success with your equipment! I wish the red armor was cheaper but like you said $30 a gallon is a lot! Thanks for the detailed comment I appreciate it!

[@johnclarke6647]

Rick, I like Echo Power Blend Gold better than Red Armor. It is a JASO FD oil, too. I run it at 50:1 with PNE gas. It is also cheaper than RA.

[@AnarchAngel1]

Husky canned fuel is 95 octane and it usually runs about 23 dollars for a gallon in my area. I only use it for storage and the rest of the time its Amsoil Saber at around 70:1 with 90 or 91 octane ethanol free pump gas

[@AnarchAngel1]

​​@@johnclarke6647 Why do you prefer power blend gold over red armor? Any Echo oil is FD rated, I'd run all of them if needed. Have you ever run the power blend x stuff?

[@johnclarke6647]

I have had some separation with Red Armor and it does not mix very well with other two cycle gases.

[@zeeb696]

Jay you may be interested to know! That most if not all these premix’s use alkylate fuels.these are highly refined and much cleaner burning than pump gas. Avgas (airplane) gas is alkylate, LL100 low lead 100 octane I mix mine from ll100 and Stihl 2 stroke oil. There is now UL 90 I believe without the lead. Low lead may eventually foul spark plugs but pilots I know don’t worry about that. Try doing the sniff test. Put samples of different fuels on a small plate and you can tell by the smell pump gas from the premix’s and pump gas. Or watch Tyrell dactals video burn testing several different fuels.

[@HomesteadJay]

Ive seent the video I know what you mean. The fuel I use now ( this video is old ) is 90 octane "mo gas" aviation grade no ethanol 90 octane!

[@richysoutdoors2591]

Good job Jay. Liked the video and your personnel opinions on this stuff. A little stronger on the mix never hurts. Good tip on spark plug is a little cheaper than cylinder & piston.HAHAA. Later on Jay man

[@raincoast9010]

So true and in some cases once you burn up the cylinder it's not worth it to fix so you would have a parts saw.

[@HomesteadJay]

Hey Richy! Plugs are cheaper and always will be cheaper than pistons LOL glad you liked that!

[@HomesteadJay]

Agreed rain!

[@AnarchAngel1]

I've been running Amsoil Saber at around 70:1 with 90 octane ethanol free pump gas (90 is the highest I can find in my area). I'll also run Red Armor or Husky XP+ at around 45:1. None of them have given me any issues, it's super important to start with quality fuel IMO. I like to put a little Sta-Bil in my mix as well especially if I don't think I'm gonna burn through it within 2 months or so

[@HomesteadJay]

Ive never run saber but heard decent things indeed. Red armor is my go to for sure no questions asked. Non ethanol fuel is the way to go!

[@AnarchAngel1]

@@HomesteadJay I was pretty skeptical about Amsoil's claims about Saber at first. I decided to run it exclusively in one saw and tear it down every 15 hours or so to see how it was doing at lean mix ratios. Everything looks excellent, well lubricated and clean 🤷‍♂️ Saber burns super clean especially if you run it at a lean ratio. Red Armor does a pretty good job as well, I feel like it's not quite as good of a lubricant as Saber though. It's an excellent oil though. Any Echo oil is good. Husky XP+ is better than people give it credit for too. One oil I will not use is Stihl Ultra...

[@AnarchAngel1]

@@HomesteadJay Give Saber a shot sometime, I've seen guys run it at 100:1 with no issues although that's too lean for me. I like to stay around 70:1 to 80:1. I definitely wouldn't try that with other oils though 😅 Saber has proved itself to me though and I trust it at a lean ratio. I run most other oils closer to 40:1 to 45:1

[@daniellang6112]

No stabil needed with Amsoil Sabre!

[@AnarchAngel1]

@@daniellang6112 Doesn't hurt and I feel like it helps even though Saber has stabilizer in it

[@thecollectoronthecorner7061]

Ok Im 70 and can well remember the high octaine leaded fuel from the 1960's . and my chain saws would regularly foul the spark plugs. Vehicles cars & trucks would be burning oil at 70,000 miles. very rare to see a car engine that has 100,000 miles. We would get frozen gas lines in the winter from the water in the gas. Ok im still using two 1960,s Xl 12 homelites. We used regular gas and outboard motor two cycle oil back then. Fast forward today I have vehicles that are still running strong with 2 and 3 hundred thousand miles. very fewspark plug changes. nothing but oil and filter changes. And now my old saws they have chrome lined cyls. Still the originals from the 60,s. I use ethanol unleaded and wal mart super tech two cycle oil. I mix 1/2 pint with each gallon of gas. I dont have spark plug fouling. Only thing I done was install ethanol combatable carb kits and fuel hose. I use my saws plenty. I keep the cooling fins clean. But I think the long life is the muffler. Its a stack. No baffels or restrictions. Lets that exhaust heat excape. The restrictive spark arresting muffler is a hear sink holding the heat to the cyl. and the ethanol absorbs any water making it harmless. if todays ethanol gas is so harmfull why are car engines lasting longer. Even the carbed engines last longer. Also dont use Champion spark Plugs that are not any good.

[@HomesteadJay]

Hey Randall! Thanks for watching! I know the new stuff is ethanol compatable im just advocating for using non ethanol fuel so you dont have storage or dried up fuel diaphram in the carbs! My echo says right on the box they are compatible with ethanol fuel. Fuel has also changed but so has engine technology I.E. fuel injectiong, ECM, roller cams, better oils etc... so fuel and motors themselves have changed to last longer its not just the fuel issue. Thank you for taking the time to watch and glad you are still rocking those homelites! I got one XL12 I rebuilt but still have issues with it but will eventually straighten it out! Thanks for watching!

[@rumplestiltskin1056]

Ethanol attracts water 200 times more readily than gas and that water mix will grow algae that plugs the carb. Keep your tanks stored full, minimizes water absorption. temp changes winter, summer, fall will exchange out any air in tank from temp change, like cool in morning warm in afternoon and a full tank wont have airspace so less moisture to absorb if full. Don't use ethanol fuel on watercraft. To much moisture at the lake. Also ethanol eats aluminum parts. Personally I prefer ethanol free in my snow blower and chainsaws that sit most of the year. You can find good lawnmowers and snow blowers in trash by the road if your willing to clean a carb and replace fuel lines. I got a free snow blower in April sitting by the road. Had the green snot in the carb and tank. Ethanol is not a problem in your vehicle unless it sits for months on end.

[@johnclarke6647]

The best fuel for my two stroke engines is the fuel I mix. I have two blends, one summer and one winter. In warm weather I replace octane booster with Marvel Mystery Oil at the rate of one ounce per gallon. I run nothing but Premium Non- ethanol gas at a 90 octane.. I run Echo Red Armor at 50:1 and I use only 2.6 ounces of Red Armor in every gallon of gas. I fill my 5 gallon No- Spill gas tank with five gallons of PNE gas and use it to replenish my 1.25 gallon No- Spill gas container. I have it marked at the one gallon mark. Fat mixtures are OK but in reality you would get the same results with Red Armor at 50:1. I run it in all of my two cycle equipment, even my 36 year old Poulan Super 25 and all of my Husqvarna equipment.

[@HomesteadJay]

Hey John! I do run the 50:1 in my saws and boy that Echo Red armor stuff is liquid gold! Ill never use anything else thats for sure! Thanks for sharing your fuel usage. I WISH I was closer to the non ethanol pump station but we are an hour from it so I only get fuel there once in a great wile. I use 93 Shell which is suppose to be low ethanol around 4% from what ive been told so thats what I use in lieu of the non ethanol stuff!

[@georgedavall9449]

Great comment John. And a fellow MM Oil user! Love that stuff. I pretty much follow your game plan, except I mix at 45:1. I am fortunate to have a station within a few miles of me, that offers 91 Octane Non E gas, and that’s what I buy. Anyone that might be reading this, I’d rec’d getting Echo’s neat little Ethanol test tube. Good way to ensure one is getting Non E gas. 👍

[@johnclarke6647]

@@georgedavall9449 a quick way to see if you are getting Ethanol is to wipe some on the paint or decals on your saw and if the paint comes off it is ethanol. I made a mistake on my saws one time - I used it to clean the sprocket covers of them. It took the husky decal off of a Husqvarna and the Stihllogo off the side of a Stihl sprocket cover. Non ethanol gas does not do that but I clean them, now, in the kitchen sink with soap and hot water. It gets the oil and sawdust off real good. I dry them with a paper towel and put them in the sun to dry. If they are still wet when I get through with the rest of the saw I hit them with some compressed air.

[@georgedavall9449]

@@johnclarke6647 Hi John, and thanks for the reply, and your excellent insight. I will have to give that a try, on the ‘Stihl dealer sticker’ on the slide of the clutch cover! Oil and fuel discussions are one hotly debated topic. There are a lot of people out there spreading misinformation, unfortunately. 32:1, vs 40:1, vs 50:1, etc,. and which brand is the best, and so on and so forth! Common sense is called for, ya know?? Best to you John.

[@georgedavall9449]

@@HomesteadJay Hey Jay, always go with the highest Octane possible. Gas loses it’s Octane Value over time, and deteriorates from moisture absorption, if it is a pump gas mix. Higher octane is not all about performance gains, as much as the prevention of pre mature detonation, or a catastrophic explosion of the fuel. I was told long ago, before the age of this Ethanol, gas crap, by a Man that owned and operated a small engine shop, to use ‘high test’ gas, when mixing two stroke gas & oil. And you will notice all the leading pre mix fuels are all higher octane. YMMV, and I say go with what works best for you. Late comment, but I’ve seen a lot of oil/gas videos out lately, and came across yours, and watched it when I realized I had already! Best Jay. 👍👍👍✌🙂

[@jayschafer1760]

Guessing you bought the mogas at the Hampton Airfield? Surprised there isn't a place down by the harbor that sells ethanol-free gas for boats. I don't fly, but many newer engines for ultralights and small planes are actually designed to run best on ethanol-free mogas (unleaded), not 100LL, so more and more airports are carrying that. The Rotax 912 series of engines is very popular, and I believe that Rotax specifies mogas, with the option to run 100LL at the cost of much more frequent cleaning, spark plugs replacement, etc.

[@HomesteadJay]

Yes the Mogas was from the Hampton Airfield! Best stuff ive ran so far! I used to run the 100LL/93 Mo gas mix in my vintage motorcycles because those used to run on leaded fuel. Thanks for the feedback and chatting! I miss the vintage bike days!

[@jayschafer1760]

@@HomesteadJay Nice. I've never been there (not much of a breakfast guy) but the restaurant at the Hampton Airfield has a reputation for great breakfast food. For such a small airfield Hampton Airfield is fairly active, with lots of planes buzzing around on days with good weather. As another food recommendation, Kong Thai in Seabrook on Route 1 (about 1/4 mile north of the shopping center with Walmart in it, and maybe 10 or 12 minutes south of the Hampton Airfield) offers great food in HUGE portions for fair prices if you're into Thai, and the owner there is everyone's favorite (Thai) uncle or grandfather.

[@HomesteadJay]

@@jayschafer1760 Good to know! I just go there for the gas lol

[@1811bruce]

Hello Jay, Good information there! I am lucky that I have a station 3 miles down the road and the 91, non ethanol fuel is $2.89 per gallon, so I would not use anything else for sure. I mix 50/1 and haven't had any problems. But I can certainly see what you are saying. I may give it a try, I don't mind a little more smoke! Haha! Have a great day Buddy and hope the family are doing well! I do agree with Robb403 about putting down the mixtures somewhere as you start accumulating power tools. All of mine are the same so far.

[@HomesteadJay]

Hey Bruce! Wow $2.89 a gallon for non ethanol is an awesome price!!! I wish I could pay that price lol the gas I got was $5.05 a gallon which isn't bad for small engines and saws! I hope the wife is well and have a great weekend!

[@johnclarke6647]

@@HomesteadJay the last I bought last week was $4.09 a gallon. It went as high as $5.08 T early this summer, but it is still cheaper than $30 odd a gallon premix from the dealers. My saws run 90 octane just fine. What upsets me is I used to burn Amaco white in my Coleman stove and I would leave it in the tank from summer to summer and it was ok. It had a peculiar smell to it but it would still burn. This crap today, even premium, does not last from winter to summer. I have to put every saw I have in “storage condition”, unless I am running them weekly. The only stabilizer I have found that will stabilize gas for a year is Brigg’s AFT or 5 in 1, but Walmart does not carry it, anymore.

[@shayn4220]

I am a stihl guy but I use the husqvarna mix cause I like the blue color where stihl just makes looks dirty but works good , also I have the husqvarna 2-1 can you should check it out it’s nice bar and chain oil and gas in one can , 👍🏻

[@HomesteadJay]

Hey Shayn! Ill have to check out the can, I think I've seen them before but never found a need for it! I dont mind pouring right out the oil jug, I can see how that would be handy if space was a problem and you needed valuable real estate like on a wild land fire team or something!

[@raincoast9010]

I buy non-ethanol fuel at the pump and have never ran my mix as lean as 50:1, 40:1 makes me feel a bit better.

[@HomesteadJay]

Hey Rain! Agreed!

[@gamebredduramax71]

You would really be afraid of my mix at 100:1, I was to at at 1st but I’m on my 3rd season running it in everything from hedge trimmers, weed eater, blower and chainsaws. Amsoil proved itself to me, and I don’t sell the stuff either. It’s Sabre 2 cycle oil, pure synthetic. Recommended to be ran at 100:1 with engine warranty guarantee. Like I said I’m on my 3rd season very little smoke, smooth running, revs faster, my exhaust screens haven’t been cleaned once, they stay clean. I also run 90 octane ethanol free from a local Country Mark oil and fuel station

[@em4703]

Extra smoke is a non-issue with synthetic oils. I run Motul 800 off-road 33:1 in my big saw and there's not a hair more smoke than at any other leaner ratio. Long gone are the days of smoky dino oils. Why I run that ratio? Because I've seen crank bearings ran at 50:1, and bearings ran at 33:1.

[@HomesteadJay]

Hey EM! Thanks for tuning in!

[@brettblack7049]

Good video Jay. You have a 2-stroke dirt bike, now we need a video of that, and you will need to fire it up in the video too, please 😃. I run 40:1 in all my saws and 2-strokes. If you have the small bottles of mix for one gallon(2.6oz) it easy to calculate different mix ratios by changing the amount of fuel. So for 50:1 its 2.6oz to 1 gallon, for 45:1 it's 2.6oz to .9 gallons, 40:1 is 2.6oz to .8 gallons, and so on. I run maxima k2(full synthetic ester based) in all my equipment and I buy larger bottles(64oz) off eBay as its priced well and it last me a couple months, I also don't see it in any of the places I buy saw parts. When I mix I also use ethanol free fuel as you suggested and I tell everyone to do the same. I like to refill the bigger oil bottles that are for 2.5 gallons with my maxima oil and then I use one of those bottles to make up 2 gallons of mix. One correction in your video if you don't mind. Fatter is typically refers to the air to fuel ratio, not to the oil to gas ratio. If you add more oil to your fuel you actually lower the amount of gas to air because you have oil taking its place as it blends the air/fuel in the carb. Adding more oil to your fuel may lean your saw out and cause problems with the tune which is opposite of what you said about adding less oil "that the engine will scream". So adding more oil will lean the saw out and may require fattening the carb up to get a proper air fuel ratio. Hope this helps someone, and if anyone has any questions please feel free to ask here, my channel, or on the forums(I'm chipper1 there). Hope you're staying cool up there.

[@HomesteadJay]

Hey Brett! Ill have to start the dirt bike up haha if I get to it lol I like you opinion on fuel ratios for sure all good things. I know I said "fatter" haah which is usually like you said a tuning word but thats what came out my mouth hahah I should have mentioned "retuning" to people but I think they would get the idea haha thanks for tuning in and glad all is well!

[@steverogers1976]

He plainly was talking in the context of oil/fuel. More oil would be fatter ratio.

[@HomesteadJay]

Steve Rodgers yes sir!

[@Jake-me4ze]

Man I feel for y'all up there ethanol free is around everywhere down here 91 octane and same price as premium gas ie. $0.50 more than regular which is currently priced between $1.99-2.13 a gallon.

[@HomesteadJay]

Id pay that lol mine is $5 plus a gallon!

[@Jake-me4ze]

@@HomesteadJay I even use it in my daily driver at $5 a gallon I probably still would if I could find it, gets me an extra 30-40 miles out of a tank of gas.

[@tc1254]

I run dominator in my dirtbikes and for my lawn business 60:1 91 ethanol free

[@HomesteadJay]

Rock on! Sounds good!

[@15trucklt83]

Trufuel 4 stroke gas with stihl or ams oil mixed to appropriate ratio. That’s what I run in all my stuff.

[@HomesteadJay]

Sounds good!

[@lindasmith5411]

Oh Jay , the ratio for our gas is 2 - gallon. But did not know the importance the gas was .I will be paying more attention to that.. 👍

[@HomesteadJay]

Yes be careful of ethanol in fuels! It will over time ruin small engines!

[@traviscover590]

I like your new video today babyboy is doing so good buddy

[@HomesteadJay]

Awesome stuff man! Glad to hear!

[@traviscover590]

Hi buddy how are you doing today

[@sunnydelight4991]

No one likes to be called buddy, but do you call your tools baby boy? I mean, I tell people ethanol free fuel makes me tools purr 😸

[@conmanumber1]

it's Amsoil Sabre for me. Penrite Aussie now even has a 100-1 oil too but Amsoil is still great.

[@HomesteadJay]

I trust Red armor more but whatever works for you!

[@randyd9805]

Does using a higher ratio of oil for your chainsaw also work for engines like weed eaters, etc.? I plan on buying some ethanol free 92 octane that I can get locally and making my own. Those premixed gas/ oils are quite expensive. The Husqvarna brand is about 35 bucks a gallon at Lowes right now with tax. The one you showed is over 13 bucks a quart I think. I never had to do this in the past but my current Husqvarna weed eater just won't run on 87 octane with or without ethanol.

[@HomesteadJay]

Hey Randy! If you run 92 ethanol free with ECHO red armor 50:1 you can run that in any 2 stroke. I have a whole range of two strokes some 40 years apart in age and I run that one mix and its perfect! Try it out!

[@pigs607]

iv work on engine for years, when ETHANOL came out we saw so many 2 strokes hit the shop , pistons melted in the cylinders, lawnboys , chainsaw weed eater every 2 stroke , then even when the 5% was added to the fuel came out,, i took the tester to where the guy said he bought his fuel , checked it , it was 10% ETHANOL in his mix and at the pump, i tell everyone DO NOT BUY any fuel that has ETHANOL in it and run that in your 2 strokes , we used in everything, ''lawnboy oil, 8 oz's to 2 gallons '', remember that'' and your fine on everything'', never buy gas with ETHANOL in it, for your 2 strokes, i dont care what %tage it says, unless you want to melt your piston to the cylinder , you know you messed up when the engine comes to a stop, and stuck, ''2 strokes'' no ETHANOL at all, ''4 oz of oil to 1 gallon'', this is what i do and i have no problems, at all,

[@HomesteadJay]

Hey there! Ethanol is garbage agreed 100%! I am glad you see the effects from the crap fuel! I wish everyone actually listened haha

[@whiteh2okayaker748]

1 gallon 94 octane VP fuel with 2.6oz Amsoil Saber oil, 50:1 👌

[@HomesteadJay]

good stuff!

[@RCAFpolarexpress]

Good evening Sir 😊 Yes in deed check owner manuel 👍 I use always use high octane super fuel and run my oil mixture more than the engine maker are requiring to get the mosquito off ( It's jokes Sir ) no i'm doing the same than you for protecting my piston engines 😊 Keep up the good work Sir this is a great video 👍👌😊 Have a great Friday Cheers !!!

[@HomesteadJay]

Hey Dave! Mosquito control! I Should have mentioned that LOL I love 2 strokes that smoke hahaha my dirt bike is like that LOL! Thanks for watching!

[@RCAFpolarexpress]

@@HomesteadJay 🤣👍😉

[@sundial6919]

Roun here only non ethonal is 87 and cooler winters w sweltering summers so i run the 87 non w an ounce of 108 octane booster per gal mixed 32 : 1 w echo powerblend mostly then switch to red armour to stay decarboned an all my stuff purrs like kittens an roars like lions . Took the plunge an orderd G372 blue china doll

[@HomesteadJay]

Red armour is good stuff! Stay safe cutting!

[@williamnewman8850]

what's wrong with ethanol gas must be a reason why you shouldn't what is it? 10% ethanol I have never seen mfg manual talk about not using it? now I hear not to use it. cant buy gas without it during summer season? so cant see how it will effect engine ?

[@HomesteadJay]

Ethanol burns differently than straight gas for lack of better terms. Ethanol is an alcohol and alcohol will dry up fuel lines/carb diaphragms/ etc... If you can get non ethanol it will burn better, store better, and will not dry out all the rubbers in your equipment. Yes new stuff can run off it but non ethanol is simply better.

[@jp-us9rq]

I use all stihl mix in my stihl products. They always stink and some smoke I switched to echo red armor within a minute the smell was gone and no smoke I sold 18 bottles of stihl 2 stroke mix all echo mix now lol

[@HomesteadJay]

YES! Welcome to the Red Armor family! Youll never look back! Thanks for tuning in and stay tuned!

[@tyharland1906]

Heres the real question. How is the rotating assembly lubed in a saw? Crank/rod/wrist pin?

[@HomesteadJay]

Hi all that is Lubricated by the fuel and oil mix The fuel and oil mix runs “through” the crank before it goes into the cylinder. This is the whole premise of a two stroke

[@tyharland1906]

@@HomesteadJay but how does it get there? Is the crank and rotating assembly submerged in the mix? Or are there channels in the cylinder/piston allowing it to splash into the crank/bottom end?

[@HomesteadJay]

Channels on the side of the cylinder to let the fuel and oil mix run through

[@Bluesky-bx2ig]

3.2 oz per gallon = 40:1 ratio?

[@HomesteadJay]

2.6 oz to gallon is 50:1 so yes 3.2 oz to gallon is 40:1

[@l-i-o-nslight9930]

I just use Gatorade, works great!

[@HomesteadJay]

Water sucks...GATORADEEEEE

[@kevinboyd3543]

Echo red or ams oil .Quicksilver outboard 2t motor oil

[@HomesteadJay]

Red armor indeed!

[@AZHighlandHomestead]

I just bought a Echo Timberwolf CS-590 for our homestead as well. Good info here Jay. Is your chain needing tensioning as it is here in the video? Trying to ensure I’m not running my chain too tight.

[@HomesteadJay]

It very well could have needed to be tighten. Tip of advice when you tighen the chain. Pull the bar tip up and then tighten till the chain on the bottom just touches the bar! "generally" you are good to go at this point! Hope you love your CS-590! Thanks for tuning in!

[@bleikrsound6127]

Nine minute video that basically tells you to read your equipment manual. 😂

[@HomesteadJay]

Right because some people dont read they watch

[@bleikrsound6127]

@@HomesteadJay True - I have a habit of ordering an item first, then checking reviews! I’ve saved a lot of learning curve-time by going to channels like this.

[@HomesteadJay]

@@bleikrsound6127 Appreciate it!

[@kevinboyd3543]

No my friend Stihl does not make oil and neither does Husqvarna. It may have their manufacturers name on it. But they do not make it and they do not recommend. You run it in their professional equipment.

[@HomesteadJay]

Thanks for watching!

[@jjohnston6645]

The big problem with Ethanol fuel is short shelf life and is hydroscopic and the water phases out in fuel, the alcohol dries out the fuel lines and gums up faster , non ethanol doesn't phase out and has longer shelf life 2 years open 5 years closed, the engines today last longer today due to tighter better tolerance of machinery making them and better oil today, Ethanol fuel is OK in cars for every day driving but not good for small engines that are parked for some time

[@HomesteadJay]

Hey James! Spot on my friend! Thanks for preaching the truth!

[@fagan900able]

What you run in your dirt bike?

[@HomesteadJay]

32:1 amsoil

[@billeifert1219]

I believe that most if not all gasoline engines manufactured in recent years (maybe last 20 years) are designed for 10% ethanol 89 octane gasoline. I have been using 10% ethanol 87 octane (regular gas) in my yard equipment ever since we could only buy gas with ethanol at local gas stations (e.g. in my 2003 Toro Lawn Mower with B&S Engine and my 2004 RedMax Backpack Blower and my 1999 Honda Generator). However, you need to be sure the gas does not have more than 10% ethanol. In addition I was told by the RedMax dealer never to put higher octane gas in the equipment as it makes the engines run hotter and causes damage. See these links: www.echo-usa.com/Warranty/Learn-About-Ethanol www.opei.org/programs/ethanolwarning/ I also never drain the gasoline at the end of the season. My brother believed that if you drained equipment, when the last bit of gas evaporated that started the buildup of shellac in the carburetor. And everyone knows older brothers are always right and it works for me.

[@HomesteadJay]

Hey Will! Very interesting facts there for sure I will have to check the links out! I agree with not draining the fuel, the non ethanol fuel I use fires right up after 6 months of sitting no problem! Thank you for sharing those links, I just checked them out and thats good to know echo can handle the 10% but non ethanol is preferred thats good to hear for sure! Thanks for tuning in!

[@countryass7860]

false high octane runs cooler you have 2 adjust carb for high octane

[@mikechess5081]

Oh dopey me. Here I thought the engineering team that designed and built the equipment might know more about their equipment than Jay.

[@HomesteadJay]

Everything I said wasn’t a lie or made up. It’s what you should do for equipment. Like 50:1 is 2.6oz to a gallon. That’s a fact. How did I mislead?

[@africantwin173]

Motul 800 off road 40:1

[@larrykluckoutdoors8227]

I run a little richer then 50:1 2.6 oz of oil to .90 of a gal of gas.

[@HomesteadJay]

I agree! Rich is better than lean

[@demarmorrison8787]

Hello can echo engine oil use in stihl wacker?

[@HomesteadJay]

I use echo red armor in all my two stokes. All makes and models. I don’t see a problem. Just make sure use right ratio required

[@theoisaac9948]

👍

[@HomesteadJay]

Appreciate it!

[@theoisaac9948]

@@HomesteadJay Anytime

[@jamesburnette4120]

The best fuel is 100 percent gas and echo oil. You have to win the lottery to use canned fuel.

[@HomesteadJay]

Try looking up non ethanol fuel stations near you! You may have one close thats worth the drive to get it!

[@jamesburnette4120]

@@HomesteadJay there's an Exxon about 4 miles from the house . Since 2016 all I've used is 100 percent gas. There's also a Weigels but they sell 100 percent premium. We had a problem here a few years back when the state discovered some cut rate stations had ethanol content as high as 20 percent. I just stay with top tier gas companies now.

[@daniellang6112]

80:1 Amsoil Ssbre.PERIOD!

[@HomesteadJay]

Everyone has their opinion I have no issues with saber. Amsoil makes good stuff I use their other stuff for automotive apps

[@ivanyanez7810]

Ipone samourai 2t racing 👌

[@HomesteadJay]

Good stuff!

[@MrSGL21]

have you tried the scoot city? i hear it smells like strawberrys

[@praetorianpatriot3267]

Hey Jay, where you getting eth free fuel at..

[@HomesteadJay]

Hey joe. A airfield in Hampton NH. You live in NH?

[@praetorianpatriot3267]

@@HomesteadJay No, California

[@HomesteadJay]

Haha sorry can’t help you then hahah check some small airports out there?

[@brucelewis1017]

Hate to tell yall all gas has ethanol in it the so called 100% gas has 5% ethanol in it

[@HomesteadJay]

Ethanol sucks!

[@sadyraliev]

Друг мой мешай 1:50 полусинтетику 4Т

[@HomesteadJay]

50:1 Good!