The Best Solution for Livestream Remote Guests with Zoom/Skype and works with ATEM

For the next in my series of very poorly shot, but very informative videos on live-streaming solutions, I've sort of fallen into a unique trick to bringing remote guests into the livestreams I'm producing.
Here's the show I've been working on - • Livestream
Long story short, we're doing a desk setup with two shots. The goal is to always have a remote guest on for an interview segment that both hosts can participate in.
The challenge: How to bring the guest into the feed, while also being able to control their video and audio, and getting them to be able to hear and see the hosts, while getting the hosts to be able to hear and see them.
The solution. (watch the video) or written out here.
Computer attached to ATEM Video 2 via HDMI
Computer hosts zoom conference.
Attach USB-C out from ATEM to Computer
Connect airpods to computer
Open Apple Audio Midi Setup
Create new multioutput device
Add HDMI and Airpods to it
Inside zoom activate "use dual monitors"
Connect with guest
Select "pin guest to first monitor"
For Video, select "bmd"
For Microphone select BMD
For Speaker select "multioutput device"
Move mouse cursor off of screen (watch as the zoom overlay vanishes)
Connect HDMI Out from Atem to large TV and select Program output (hosts can now see the program, which will include the guest when on)
Volia. Now your video input 2 on the ATEM acts as a full screen remote guest. Your live hosts will hear the guest through the airpods and the guest will hear the speakers through whatever microphone setup you're using on set. Using the Atem Mini Extreme ISO I also build a split screen view using the super source that you can see demoed in the video. I frankly can't believe how easy this works (after figuring out all of this) and to me, much simpler than setting up an OBS screen capture.
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[@DanielFowlerSr]

My brother, You are a GOD SEND! I was just thinking about this scenario, and a random Click and you are here with this step by step . . . Thank you So So Much I am now a Subscriber!

[@SuperCleary]

It’s what I was looking for for a long time and it worked for me. Let me know!

[@MenInSpiritualAuthority]

You are legit. truly appreciate you. this video was an answer to prayer

[@SuperCleary]

Thanks was happy to luck into this solution.

[@LoveStoryArt]

Very cool solution. I learned a great deal.

[@SuperCleary]

Awesome let me know how it works for you.

[@zawyatv894]

Thanks for the Video you are a life saver! And i just have an issue again not with a zoom call, but with a regular call audio input only. Am hearing the guest through my wireless earphone and the guest also hears the same. and my voice is going to the atem mini pro iso through my wireless BOYA mic that is connected to my sony NX100 camera. with this setup am hearing an echo. can you help me with that. The scenario in short is i should listen and speak to the guest through my wireless earphone. and the atem should pick the guest voice from my phone and my voice from the wireless mic that is connected to the camera. the issue is both input from the earphone and the wireless mic causing an echo. Thanks!

[@Zonuna_Chawngthu]

Thanks for the video, just what i was loking for. I was asked to do a zoom meeting with 3 guests and one host, which will be broadcast to local cable TV along with youtube channel, I was planning just as you mention, but unsure about the loop back of laptop from Atem, I will be using Atem 4M/E for main switcher and Atem mini pro for youtube live (Ethernet) and a loop back to the host laptop (Usbc) . I dont know if both Ethernet out and Usbc will work simultaneously with Atem mini pro.

[@SuperCleary]

hmmm... you may need the extreme with the extra connection points. But the same thing I did I would recommend for you, just give a try and see if it works, or if other problems pop up. Let me know how it goes.

[@WellenlaengeVT]

Thanks for the video. I'm not sure if I would set this up like that. I always prefered keeping the sound seperate, having a real mix minus for the Zoom/teams, making sure the host(s) sees the zoom with a display, but also sees the PowerPoint wich is often the case and sometimes I put a screen behind the hosts (mixed by a seperate mixer or the HDMI1 of the extreme) for the camera to see for a 'real conversation situation'. I have a extra mixer (atem mini) for the Zoom/teams and an extreme for the programm. Audio is on a seperate mixer. You would have to splitt a couple of signals before they go into the mixers. This way I never had problems with loudspeakers in the room (so the hosts can hear the Zoom/Teams and their presentation/video audio). There are a lot of ways. Theoretically you can mix the signal for the zoom/teams first and then go with this program (minus the zoom/teams) into a mixer and just add the zoom/teams. The USBs are often full in my setups (recording and LTE backup).

[@SuperCleary]

Very fancy I like it

[@federicoorozco8696]

Thank you WellenlaengeVT! do you have a video to see everything?

[@TonyReidsma]

Thx. I’m exchanging my Mini pro for the extreme so I can record to a hard drive without OBS

[@SuperCleary]

It’s awesome.

[@luiginica]

Thanks for your video! (I have to watch it one more time I guess) I want to ask you about the following scenario: having 2-3 hosts in remote locations on the left side of the supersource (each one in their homes) and have the guests of the show on the right side of the supersource (each one in their homes also). So we will have one panel of permanent hosts talking with another panel of guests. I have the feeling that’s possible. What do you think? By the way, what you did with the multi source, can be done with an app from rogueamoeba: loopback or soundsource / I forgot which one. What zoom are you using? Standard or Pro? Thank you!

[@SuperCleary]

Hmm. So for each remote guest you would need a separate computer running a separate zoom conference. Doable but that could get really complicated and they aren’t going to be able to hear anything because you only have one usb c to loop back the audio for them back into the computer. I think for the scenario you have in mind my ghetto setup won’t cut it.

[@luiginica]

@@SuperCleary I will play with it. I will try to use an audio splitter for hdmi and run each audio conference thru a Rodecaster Pro. It should work since it’s doing the audio mix.

[@SuperCleary]

@@luiginica that is a great idea. Before trouble shooting each step I would also ask you to think if this is all really necessary? There might be a much easier solution through something like obs

[@luiginica]

@@SuperCleary Actually I think I need just 2 zoom meetings. In one I will join all the hosts and in the other one I will join all the guests. One I will do it on an iPad Pro -> hdmi audio splitter -> BMD video + Rodecaster audio; another one on the main computer -> hdmi audio splitter -> BMD video + Rodecaster audio. Then the mix out from Rodecaster I will run it to BMD. I see no problems.I will monitor program out thru the bmd headphones and durring the meeting I will use the airpods, listening either to the main mac sound out or to the rodecaster stereo output. My main problem is that is hard to test it out because I’m just one man, but I will figure out a way ;)

[@SuperCleary]

@@luiginica that’s very clever. Let me know how it goes!

[@videopodcaststudio]

This is really informative and I've learned a great deal. Thank you. Question: I have 6 podcasters and one zoom guest. The idea is to use the zoom guest as an additional podcaster. However, we are using mics and headphones. I'm running my audio through a tascam model 12. My rodecaster pro only takes 4 mics. How would I set it up so that it works like you have it but without the apple airpods? This is the only thing left to figure out.. I thank you in advance..

[@SuperCleary]

So which part are you trying to solve for? Using 7 inputs on the rodecaster or bringing in the zoom guest

[@videopodcaststudio]

@@SuperCleary Thank you for the quick reply. I'm running the audio through my tascam model 12 so the number of mics is not an issue right now. What I need is to have the podcasters in the studio to be able to interact with the zoom guest and vice-versa without the feedback from the monitor/television speakers.. I get feedback.. I figure we can wear headphones and lower the volume on the monitor. I am using a mac and thought about the part where you add a multiple device to the audio mini as you suggested with the airpods. But we don't have airpods, instead using headphones from the mixer into a headphone amp. I'm watching your other video of the live stream. Seems you dropped the airpod idea. Thanks again for the reply.

[@SuperCleary]

@@videopodcaststudio so the place to be looking is in the multi output device on the zoom computer. Perhaps you could connect the rodecaster to the zoom computer, and then create a multi output device that is sending that signal out to both devices. From there you would know be able to hear and record the guest in the rodecaster, not use a speaker. Perhaps there's a solution in there.

[@GamersPlayerUnion]

What Blackmagic needs to and I would even be willing to pay money for it is a way to do what you are saying but in a streamline matter without their streaming bridge. Almost similar to zoom or Restream but specialty made to work with the Atem lineup where each HDMI can be used as a incoming video/audio source. Not sure how this would be done but it has to be a way

[@SuperCleary]

I'm sort of following but also not. You would want a new bit of software or hardware? You're looking to get more output options?

[@GamersPlayerUnion]

@@SuperCleary after re reading what I wrote I can see your point. I guess what I’m trying to say I wish Blackmagic would include some software that would make it easy to bring in remote guest. I know that’s asking for too much but hey

[@SuperCleary]

@@GamersPlayerUnion No I get it.... the more I worked this out I realized how that's sort of like a magic solution that really can't work unless theres a whole addition module on the atem. You'd need both software to manage the multiple guests and the hardware input of where they would come in and how you would manage them in the feed. We can dream though.

[@BlaineCoury]

Nice walkthrough. However, you need to be careful when selecting your mic/audio input setting for Zoom. Using the blackmagic audio will send the program audio which means the guest on the call will be hearing themselves which is no bueno either. You need to create a "mix minus" scenario where they hear everything but themselves back. There are a few ways to accomplish this but will likely require another small audio mixer or splitter somewhere before the ATEM that goes to another mic/line input on the laptop.

[@SuperCleary]

I understand what you’re describing but in extensive testing that doesn’t happen

[@BlaineCoury]

@@SuperCleary That's good. I know Zoom does try to mitigate this through some kind of software noise gate/cancellation so it must be working well enough for you!

[@SuperCleary]

@@BlaineCoury yea it was a happy accident I landed into it. I went through this process originally planning to go the obs route and I think zooms magic makes this work without all the extra steps

[@aLgProduction]

Nice.

[@SuperCleary]

Thanks

[@JoshRader]

This is great! Are the earbuds also acting as a mic for the hosts so the guests can hear them over Zoom?

[@SuperCleary]

Yup that’s exactly it. I can hear the guest as the director with headphones from the switcher. The hosts hear the guest via AirPods connected to the computer that runs the zoom conference.

[@SuperCleary]

Sorry I misread your comment -- the guests are hearing the hosts via the feed from the switcher and zoom cancels out the guests own audio (its magic). If zoom didn't cancel out the guests audio feeding back you definitely could just use the AirPods microphone and It also wouldn't be an issue.

[@JoshRader]

@@SuperCleary Oh got it and is that because the computer is getting the audio and video feed from the USB out on the ATEM (which the computer sees as a webcam)? I'm curious if you have the audio from your host's mic embedded into HDMI and going in to the ATEM that way or separate into the Mic input on the ATEM.

[@SuperCleary]

@@JoshRader so right. Computer 2 (the computer that hosts the zoom conference) has an hdmi out (which is how I capture the audio and video from the guest) and has usb-c in that zoom sees as a webcam for video and a microphone source. It really shouldn’t work but it does

[@not-bot]

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[@AJourney4Passion]

Dell 2 in1 laptop , Atem mini extreme, Rodecaster pro,, Pc , 4 monitors please help no apple Windows 10 not tech savvy at all I would greatly appreciate I kind sir! Typically my mics Rode pod mics and broadcast to You tube through Atem mini extreme not the iso. Also they are all hard wired through ethernet for livestream split screen call into Zoom through Atem to broadcast to KZbin channel. Is that possible?

[@SuperCleary]

I would love to help -- could you ask me again? I'm not following what your question is.

[@AJourney4Passion]

@@SuperCleary Thank you for your reply. Currently Im streaming from Atem mini extreme to KZbin channel also using Rodecaster Pro for audio L R out to Atem also headphones out from Atem. I would like to do interviews with video via Zoom or skype with same workflow and again Im not tech savvy. I appreciate your time and anything you could help with. oh forgot I have a desktop and a dell laptop windows 10 and ethernet wired

[@SuperCleary]

@@AJourney4Passion okay this setup in my video should work fine then. What’s the issue you’re having?

[@tonymostello6853]

@@SuperCleary the zoom comes up on the monitor I have it set up through supersource however to get it on there I have to extend past the 2 monitors and you can no longer see it on monitors to adjust it but it's in supersource I haven't got past that to test audio or streaming

[@SuperCleary]

@@tonymostello6853 sounds like you’re trying to do everything on one computer. You need the zoom guest on their own computer

[@niicechris]

Does this mean 1 zoom call can listen and talk to another zoom call?

[@SuperCleary]

Yes sort of lol

[@mthelisi]

You complicated it. But I get the idea.

[@remektekmedia6641]

This could really benefit from a high level over view.

[@SuperCleary]

On what topic? There are going to be far superior videos just outlining the atem. What’s your question?

[@WrvrUgoThrUR]

@@SuperCleary I think @RamekTek Media meant a bird’s eye camera angle. You had some very valuable info info here that was a little hard to absorb due to the viewer not being able to orient themselves. But I get the excitement of finally figuring out these kinds of tech puzzles. 👍🏽

[@SuperCleary]

@@WrvrUgoThrUR Got it -- the big overview piece is here kzbin.info/www/bejne/Z564poJ7g8tkaZY

[@koolhand12]

Thanks for the video....HOWEVER, THAT WAS A HORRIBLE BREAKDOWN... I watch it a few more times for it to sink in. I have to try to put it to the test. Simpler process...AVMUX

[@SuperCleary]

why