The BEST Way to Install a Valley!

[@RoofRepairSpecialist]

Let me know which of these 3 methods is your favorite to install!

[@EstateFlip]

Been waiting for this video!!! Thank you!!! :D

[@pastblaster3285]

Open valley .....

[@ahmedsaleh4363]

ام كمال 😅😅😊😊​@@EstateFlip

[@paul-rc7mh]

It's great that you give these videos because some people just can't afford a new roof.some people can do it themselves with the use of these videos

[@rawilliams5881]

That's me. My menopausal butt is going up the ladder.

[@derpherpp3]

Material is like 1 grands at most but the labors that’s going through 3 parties is like 20k average. They got the sale guy like this guy who handles the English and selling roofs then they turn around and hire none English speaking illegals for dirt cheap. So all they do is to come out and see the result then they done and he never step on the roof either. I’ve done multiple roofs . It’s quite simple and not rocket science and it’s not like your roof going to collapse and life in danger if you miss anything. At most u rip it o it and redo. It’s all just labor in the sun

[@fionen]

@@rawilliams5881 Gotta do what you gotta do right 👍

[@YTCOS2024]

One of the most instructive videos I've seen, to date. You explain it so well. THANK YOU!!! I'm getting a new roof in a couple of months, after 25 years, and will stick to the cut valleys, that I already have, on my 5/12 pitch roof on my single story, 1960 single family home, two valley, two ridge roof with one ridge about 4 ft higher than the other, and six hips. It is a "L" shaped house. The lower ridge is on the bottom of the inverted "L". I am going with ice and water adhesive underlayment over the entire 1"x8" dimensional lumber decking and new drip edges.I had the attic sprayed with open cell foam, 3 -4 inches thick and sprayed cellulose on the attic floor about 14 -16 inches deep, in 2010 after I had a complete, new HVAC and flex duct installed. For our extreme heat and humidity in south Louisiana, I have long soffit vents and a GAF 1,150 CFM power ventilator. I am installing a new one with the new roof. In south Louisiana we also need that extra protection for the ice and water shield adhesive underlayment for hurricane season from June 1st - Nov. 30th each year. The GAF Prestique Elk II architectural shingles and 30 lb felt has lasted 25 years without one shingle being blow off in any hurricane etc, including Hurricanes Katrina, Rita, Issac and Ida. I did regular inspections and maintenance on the roof. It paid off in the long run. They don't make those shingles anymore. The local roofing contractor, in business for 45 years recommends Atlas Pinnacle Pristine, 130 mph, impact rating 3, but I may upgrade to an impact rating 4 shingle with a higher wind rating. Thanks for hearing me out.

[@fionen]

This is a great vvideo. Helped me understand the differences. Good education.

[@tonesmith909]

Such an awesome technique for installing that open valley, negating the need to cut shingles!

[@RoofRepairSpecialist]

Glad it was helpful!

[@terrydarden6165]

That valley installation is amazing and confusing. I am planning on having a new roof installed. This give me information to work with and questions to ask. Great videos.

[@RoofRepairSpecialist]

Glad it was helpful!

[@jpdunamislodge]

Great video. We wound up with a very unusual roof section on our house that we needed to decide on which valley was going to work best on. This video was exactly what we needed to make that decision. The cut valley turned out to be the best way to go in our situation. 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻

[@RoofRepairSpecialist]

Thanks for sharing!

[@MaMa-qh4dy]

Great comparison. Thank you. I like open valley with copper.

[@RoofRepairSpecialist]

Copper Valley, thats nice!

[@dsumhank]

Wonderful video! Would the choice of valleys also be determined by the climate in the area? Ie. if there is a lot of rain and snow/ice. Also, what about in terms of shingle wear? I’ve heard the shingles on the valleys wear out a lot faster than the rest of the roof so an open valley design is preferred. What’s your take on that? Also, in terms of complexity of install and the cost of installation, how do they compare? Thank You!

[@paul-rc7mh]

I've been roofing for well over 30 years been a good trade

[@timbrown9305]

This video should have a lot of likes... nice exposure to the possibilities.

[@RoofRepairSpecialist]

Thank you

[@tonymessinajr]

this was one of the finest videos I have ever seen... your details were clear and understandable and now I CAN'T WAIT TO DO MY ROOF... this helps me understand more clearly what the job is all about.... if I do the cut valley, do I use tin to line the valley before I put the paper, or after?

[@slydog7131]

Good video. I saw one video about a particular valley in which a woven pattern was used. The reason is that the valley didn't join two roofs perpendicular to each other but instead the roofs merged with about a 20-degree angle. The thought was that a cut valley in that case would fail.

[@paul-rc7mh]

Great video bro at least the old 3 tabs are gone and people can more easily wrap there head around arcutectual shingles

[@MrMattDat]

Great video and will definitely help me with some roof modifications I need to do!

[@RoofRepairSpecialist]

Right on!

[@mendoza59nm-76]

Good work thanks for sharing this video I live around the corner from you guys

[@RoofRepairSpecialist]

Thanks for watching!

[@paul-rc7mh]

Your work looks great

[@RoofRepairSpecialist]

Thank you!

[@phil-spinelli]

well back in the day, when mostly 3 tabs were used, I'm put metal in the valley and weave the valley. that it the best, other then that metal in the valley and closed is awesome too. Great Video btw!

[@RoofRepairSpecialist]

Thanks for sharing!

[@wwearmandoma]

Great presentation. Very educational. Thank you

[@RoofRepairSpecialist]

You're very welcome!

[@ToufikToufik-qe2gw]

Oui, merci Maître pour toutes les choses. Merci beaucoup.

[@RoofRepairSpecialist]

Sorry, dont understand. But thank you for watching anyway

[@mkhan6536]

Thank you , a great video, I subscribed right away. good luck

[@RoofRepairSpecialist]

Thanks for the sub!

[@Badenhawk]

Your videos have helped me so much! Thanks a ton! Fortunately I had a hipped roof but i was curious what doing a valley would look like. Seems like open valley is more diy friendly. Cut valley seemed a little less diy friendly but very doable. Woven seems like it would be easy to make it look messy for someone just learning this.

[@RoofRepairSpecialist]

Great to hear! Best of luck with your project

[@benshelton43]

Great vid. Gotta say I like the woven valley. It looks like art. I sell it to customers as a mark of a roofer's signature skill. But that said, the cut valley does look crisp. Got no use for a metal valley.

[@RoofRepairSpecialist]

All of them work. I think it’s opinion and what your used to. Thanks for watching and sharing your ideas

[@timmclaughlin1787]

Hey this is a great video very well done I wish the valleys were longer but to do 3 types impressive. The cut valley wins for me.

[@RoofRepairSpecialist]

Agree

[@renurenovationsllc7780]

Quite a few manufactures spec sheets I have seen actually do not include woven as an approved option valley on architectural shingles. GAF specifically says not allowed. I know MALARKEY LEGACY, which is a thicker shingle, specifies that it does not allow woven. As far a open valleys go, my roofing supplier has all the metal roof colors, which is somewhere in the 30’s, I think anything can be matched.

[@RoofRepairSpecialist]

Ya, I dont think I've ever done a woven valley, but makes sence especially with thicker shingles.

[@cesarmartinez3582]

Where can I buy it . Great job

[@KidFreshie]

At 2:16 you started to "install your first row of shingles." But then at 3:06 that shingle is gone. What happened? Did you mess up and you weren't supposed to put that first row of shingles down yet?

[@RoofRepairSpecialist]

Correct, that was a mistake. Thanks for paying stock close attention

[@KidFreshie]

@@RoofRepairSpecialist Ah ok, Thanks for clarifying. Love your videos.

[@jogpe.quintana9909]

Excelent information You Are Number # 1

[@RoofRepairSpecialist]

Many many thanks

[@paul-rc7mh]

I also like a space for water flow in valley and around skylights exc

[@eastside0434]

A valley that doesn't leak would be the best valley.

[@RoofRepairSpecialist]

100% the best Roof is the one that doesn’t leak. Aesthetics is secondary in roofing

[@rudykirsh9113]

I like the woven valleys best. Then cut valley..

[@ThrowbackPassions]

6" step back from the starter strip

[@RoofRepairSpecialist]

?

[@quantaviouswimbley1959]

Awesome video. So the woven valley. Would that be the easiest way to do the valley? Also would you recommend putting roofing cement under the shingles in the woven valley?

[@RoofRepairSpecialist]

Good question. I don’t think one is easier then the other. As far as mastic, it won’t hurt, but i always default to following manufacturer instructions

[@natto_4]

Don't weave architectural/composition shingles. You should only weave the bottom one or two at most. Most manufacturers will not approve the weave for installation practice

[@dl9173]

I'm doing my own roof. I'm using the atlas storm master shake shingles. I live near Detroit michigan. I have a 4/12 pitch going in to a 2/12 pitch. What valley method would you recommend for this ?

[@Kyle-ys3cv]

No “Hey, great video.” No “thanks in advance for any input.” Just a demand for someone’s time, no niceties. Gotta love it…shocked you didn’t get a response.

[@SanchoRito]

@@Kyle-ys3cv The thanks is watching the video and giving them ad revenue and affiliate marketing revenue. Not necessary. Source: I have multiple youtube channels

[@Kyle-ys3cv]

@@SanchoRito “Source: I have several KZbin channels.” f*gg*t

[@bobchastek2306]

Nice. We use the cut method

[@RoofRepairSpecialist]

Good choice

[@paul-rc7mh]

I've been putting down time lately not much shingles and was not planned that way just by luck

[@ToufikToufik-qe2gw]

OK merci

[@RoofRepairSpecialist]

No problem

[@briansuchoski4266]

What about a "cricket"? Can I use one of these methods, along with ice and snow shield?

[@RoofRepairSpecialist]

Yes, though I prefer metal crickets, galvanized

[@endthestruggle4219]

Also I've read where a woven roof of architectural shingles voids the warranty.

[@treymanning1077]

I agree with your analysis Good Video

[@RoofRepairSpecialist]

Thank you

[@BlakeRobinson-l1q]

Wats up with ur stagger bro

[@relaxwithclancy1073]

So my observation about the 1st method is dependent on how hard it rains I think water will seep up under the shingles that are laid over the valley flashing. I could be wrong but that’s my observation.

[@relaxwithclancy1073]

Don’t get me wrong now…great content I am not criticizing your content just the 1st method that’s my observation.

[@slydog7131]

Same case could be made for a cut valley.

[@rudykirsh9113]

I LIKE THE WOVEN VALLEY THE BEST. THEY SEEM TO WORK BEST WHEN THE OTHERS FAIL.

[@RoofRepairSpecialist]

A differing opinion I like it. I can’t say it’s a wrong way of doing it

[@MrRandysrod11]

Do we need to install any metal flashing going down the valley if we are doing the cut method? Or is it safe to do it over felt?

[@RoofRepairSpecialist]

Just do it over felt, if you want to be safe out a roll of ice and water shield

[@wethepeople9412]

The flashing costs extra but is better bc debris collect with other 2 methods if u have any trees nearby.

[@kevinoshea9125]

2nd method: did you trim each valley end of the course of shingles on the upper pitch? If you photographed straight down at the valley, we could get a better look!!

[@RoofRepairSpecialist]

Yes

[@danielcook4377]

Is it better to start from shingling the valley first than outwards?

[@RoofRepairSpecialist]

No, always better to start from a straight end. A gable or a wall

[@danielcook4377]

What about on a hip roof

[@denverscott37]

If you're right handed, yes, start at the left and work your way towards the right, absolutely you can start shingling the valley first, makes no difference. You could run straight up the middle and shingle both ways if you wanted to, I wouldn't do that because I hate shingling right to left, but absolutely that can be done.

[@compositesquare]

With a cut valley, how close, and how far, should the cut valley seam, be from the valley? I just had my roof redone two days ago. My cut valley seam, seems esthetically, too far from the valley. It looks like it works. It looks like if them seam was closer to the valley, it would look nicer.

[@RoofRepairSpecialist]

I would look to see what the manufacturer recommends depending on the type of shingle installed. However I would say anywhere from directly center or a 1” offset. I think direct center looks nicer, however having it offset would allow for better water flow

[@dennisbrinkley8613]

Which one has the most waste?

[@RoofRepairSpecialist]

The cut valley does. It usually balances out since for the valley flashing you have to buy the valley metal but have least waist

[@stutter4064]

Open valley the easiest. I'm going to do that

Voided warrant in all 3 cases

[@RoofRepairSpecialist]

Ok

[@terrydarden6165]

Do you have a company you can recommend in the Atlanta GA area?

[@RoofRepairSpecialist]

No, you can check out directorii.com

[@JohnSmith-gu6hf]

Why wouldnt you flip the row that sits aligned with the flashing such that it is a solid piece instead of the tabs.

[@RoofRepairSpecialist]

If I understand your question correctly, it’s so that shingle is exposed on the granular side

[@endthestruggle4219]

None of the major manufacturers of architectural shingles approve the weaving of architectural shingles. If so, please point me in the direction of manufacturer websites.

[@RoofRepairSpecialist]

We recently had a OC training and they went over woven valleys, it’s approved. However we don’t really like it

[@shawncummings4653]

As a 35 year roofer there is only two types of valley I will ever install. My number 1 is w valley metal, and 2 is a cut valley. Weaved valleys are totally ugly, and a point out valley is a leak wating to happen.

[@RoofRepairSpecialist]

Agreed

[@paul-rc7mh]

35 years of roofing I've seen so much like running a kettle witch you must know I'm old know lol

[@paul-rc7mh]

I used to enjoy the woven valley but shingle supplers won't warranty it anymore

[@RoofRepairSpecialist]

Really, from what I know it’s still a approved method

[@ChrisHall0397]

This is SO wrong in several ways. You were lining up the right side of different courses of shingles (at 6:23+) ! A few butt seems of the shingles were practically on top of nails of the lower course ! WTH Bro ?

[@slydog7131]

Those shingles were cut short just to make the demonstration easier to show.

[@johnnyrocket9372]

I am not a roofer in trade. When i replaced my parents roof about 6ish years ago in the valleies i ran ice and water shield, then a strip of 24" alum flashing, then i did a cut valley. I did this because growing up almost every year they had a different roofer come out to work on leaking in the valleies above an addition they had built. I dont know if its right, but it is not leaking.

[@RoofRepairSpecialist]

If it’s not leaking it’s right.

[@Cotronixco]

I'm not a fan of butting shingles end-to-end with no overlap and installing them perpendicular to the valley just to get a straight line. Sometimes called a California valley, and also used within other valley installation methods. Here in the north, water can get under the shingle, freeze, expand, and move or crack that shingle and the adjacent shingle. The object should always be to divert all water off the slope as quickly as possible, and not retain water or rely on the ice & water shield or the flashing.

[@Kevinwatches]

So Tamko has a video showing starting on the larger roof/bigger slope, i put their valley install video link below. How much of a difference does it make starting on one roof or the other? kzbin.info/www/bejne/f2LYq52njchqaMUsi=xzv_ntkFBm3kUpUE

[@RoofRepairSpecialist]

Big or small the concept is the same.

[@Kevinwatches]

@@RoofRepairSpecialist Thanks for the reply👍

[@matthewzinn5291]

All new roofs are installed with woven valleys. Go to any new or even 10-20 year old neighborhood with original shingles and you will see woven valleys. Raleigh , NC. Area I personally don’t like open cut because that open cut edge will curl after 5 years. That shingle edge is relying on the adhesive and caulking to make that valley watertight. Here’s the easier way to understand it….take a water hose and spray directly on that edge of the open cut, then take it and spray it in a woven Valley… which one do you think is going to be more susceptible to water getting underneath the shingle? Obviously the open cut with the raw edge .

[@slydog7131]

And yet they seem to work just fine. That is not a typical failure point.

Nope

[@mikethompson7436]

Close valleys are one of the worst things to come over the border they go down just the the close cut pipeboot rage of the 90's what about that 3" stagger

[@dreally7029]

Really like the explanation, but you can see the blow thru (?if correct) with the nail gun.

[@RoofRepairSpecialist]

100% correct

[@ItchyKneeSon]

Dude, your presentation style is way too similar to Lenny Pepperbottom of Neature Walk. lol

[@RoofRepairSpecialist]

Haha, kind of look like him too 😩

[@boashna]

affrain barkala

[@BrianDelaney-e7v]

Your shingle spacing is completely incorrect

[@RoofRepairSpecialist]

I don’t think so

[@philoyphilia]

Brian, explain why. Your statement "is completely incorrect"

[@amy-joe5772]

Why do they mispronounced center it is not on center it is called center

[@RoofRepairSpecialist]

Center is center, I don’t think you are center

[@RobertMorrison-r3o]

That’s 100 wrong

[@RoofRepairSpecialist]

Your 101 wrong

[@kodihunt8631]

These videos can't be serious. I have sat here for the last hour and every one of these videos. These guys has called themselves out on their own videos of nailing wrong in the valley. What?

[@RoofRepairSpecialist]

Now get off the crack pipe and watch again.

[@Kevinwatches]

​​@@RoofRepairSpecialist I been watching videos lately to learn and most videos show the way you did it however shingle manufacture video below show starting on the other side of roof. How much of a difference will this make? It's a super quick tampko video showing a closed valley. kzbin.info/www/bejne/f2LYq52njchqaMUsi=xzv_ntkFBm3kUpUE

[@coreymclellan]

2" offset..... you are fired i tear off all your work and redo it!

[@RoofRepairSpecialist]

lol

[@brandonsantos9860]

smh

[@steevemachine118]

Open valleys are BS. You should never rely on the shingle adhesive nor should you nail in the flashing. The best valley remains the closed valley.

[@RoofRepairSpecialist]

Is your concern on open valleys wind?

Depends on roof pitch and shingle thickness

[@carlsmith4767]

Don't follow anything this guy doing he has no clue what roofing is.

[@RoofRepairSpecialist]

I would say you have no clue, but you do look like a wise old man.

[@carlsmith4767]

@@RoofRepairSpecialist yup I started roofing before they had nail guns

[@EstateFlip]

So what's your suggestion? What do you think he's doing wrong? You can't make a comment like that on a short video like this and just not mention what the issue is.. otherwise you just look like a troll.

[@gusmarokity6482]

Agree with you. Fourty years roofer. Only use metal if roof too steep. Shingle over metal area lasts much shorter than field shingles and gets dirt under it real fast. For roof contractor is a good way to do it bc faster, but for homeowners not best especially as you see it here.

[@andyeveritt9003]

in England you dont nail all metal valleys along the sides to allow the metal to expand and contract or it splits in a few years especially zink

[@mcdlb181]

Sorry your job site/video is a mess

[@RoofRepairSpecialist]

? What video

[@dwightsornberger8916]

He explains the rules of step back and then doesn't follow them. Not a very good example. Also you need paper going over the edge of the metal valley.

[@RoofRepairSpecialist]

I’m pretty sure I do, I’m genuinely curios if not, can you call out the time in the video.

[@thunderpuppyproductions6165]

Pretty sure he means around 6:20 or so when you do not appear to leave a six inch setback. Looks almost like no setback.

[@chadziegler7292]

Dry in goes under flashings always but I noticed the books were shrinking that can work if you know your nail placement come back and do your cuts