The "BetterHelp" YouTube Virus is BACK | Asmongold Reacts

[@Py-Py-Py]

I remember years ago Pewdiepie pointed out how BetterHelp is pretty sketchy and a bunch of KZbinrs came out and apologized for advertising BetterHelp.

[@GizmoTheGreen]

this. they then went away and now they're back and I'm like... everyone forgot already??

[@Yourfat247]

@@GizmoTheGreenlook at the Ukraine war, still going on but forgotten on the internet for Palestine vs Israel

[@TheMasterblah]

​@@GizmoTheGreenthey just went to advertise on podcasts. I constantly heard better help ads whenever my wife would listen to a podcast since 2020

[@JaceKeller]

@@Yourfat247forgotten ? Where ? I see articles, tweets and whatever about it every single day despite blocking it as much as I can because I couldn’t care less about it.

[@dh2032]

as KZbinrs, they should be at least a bit internet savvy, do quick search, on the name and see what comes up? not not working any with less than 99%, happy customers, I must the one in the video, if your get reviews that low, maybe give them a miss, your rep, more important, is it not?

[@JohnSmithIlIlIlIl]

AsmonTherapy: "You suck. And that's okay. It's okay to suck. Now try to suck less, day by day."

[@ergonsahar]

fr fr lmao

[@cheeks_of_the_boreal_valley]

It might be worded poorly but it's solid advice

[@lewisgarland1259]

You think that's funny? that's good advice. It means accept you have and and its ok but everyday be a little better until its not an issue anymore. The problem with people is that no one can do anything for themselves. If you cant fix it for you then no one can.

[@animevideobusta]

Indeed ​@@cheeks_of_the_boreal_valley

[@camilla_films_stuff]

that's what dr k says too imo

[@bl8388]

I contacted them once and asked how Betterhelp respects Hipaa and protects their customers' privacy. I was informed from management, "Hipaa doesn't apply to us. We make no promises about your personal medical information." Talk about a huge red flag.

[@MollyHJohns]

So basically they straight up just saying "we're scamming your wallet by pretending to lend you liars' ears and promises, none of us arelicensed healthcare professionals."

[@PapaEnoch052]

Then they are not a legit medical company. Great job in checking this. Any medical company that says HIPPA has no bearing on them. They need to be shut down. I wonder if someone can call the better business bureau.

[@RWhite_]

They've already been made to pay a fine of $7.8 million for selling customer data. It's not a red flag at this point, they literally don't care about your privacy.

[@bloodred255]

@@RWhite_ 7.8 million fine to a billion dollar business is nothing.

[@motleyminded85]

Hipaa is the responsibility of the individual counselors. It's not dependent on a business. However, if the business handled records in a way that violated hipaa they could face millions of dollars in fines.

[@jonreznick5531]

FYI a lot of people on YT who take sponsorship from BetterHelp *delete* comments that call out BetterHelp. I regularly comment on BH-sponsored content and find it deleted later.

[@NightmareRex6]

ofcourse, its all about $$$$

[@AxelordSMIJES]

I've seen this exact same thing. Literally every time I see a channel I like using them as a sponsor, I comment calling them out, only to also find it deleted later on. This company is insidious as fuck.

[@bryandraughn9830]

Gotta protect all of the potential victims out there by telling someone who's already accepted the contract to stop. Very effective.

[@ArnoldQMudskipper]

Name names

[@JohnS-il1dr]

Agree. The channel sets their filters to remove any comments containing the word "Better Help"

[@Pause4pot]

How to Psychologically & Financially Manipulate People Who Are Already in a Bad Place Mentally & Financially

[@chrishayes5755]

Don't be paranoid. Tell your lifes dirt to BetterHelp today!

[@nikolash3060]

Taking one right out of the Pharmaceutical Industry's playbook

[@fajarn7052]

What is mindboggling for me, as a doctor, I have to pretty much spent nearly 10 years in education, and passed the licensing exam, and had to renew them every 5 years, and then we are limited to 3 places of practices (at least in my country), we have strict standard procedure, one mistake and either it cost life or cost YOUR life (i.e your career) but then these kind of 'treatment' provider, alternative medicine, has no regulation whatsoever.

[@dustinvanwinkle5078]

In all fairness someone just simply listening to you complain isn't quite the same as being an actual Dr. Then again I've always found therapy to be a scam to begin with.

[@zubrhero5270]

KZbinrs be like "lay down on this table, Grandma, and let me readjust your spine. I'm a medically recognised chiropractor."

[@Dumb-Comment]

But they made more money than you tho, I think they're more successful in life than someone who spent years studying

[@YannisC3D]

@@Dumb-Comment relevant username

[@Goldy01]

Therapists aren't doctors. Doctors aren't therapists.

[@Louey_]

The one with the 16 year old in a range rover telling me therapy is the best way to deal with a break up is my favourite

[@ricardohoang8452]

“WorseHelp”

[@monkeybench]

My favourite is the one where she says she's been in therapy since she was 5 years old so clearly it's not working

[@sonicartzldesignerclan5763]

@@monkeybench Dosnt make any sense just because somebody is forever in therapy Like you will be forever an addict so it make sense to stay in therapy Some illness are not going away so you stay in therapy to have it in control

[@ugn154]

😅the fact that people actually fall for that crap Yeah, a 16yr old is gonna give me life advice on dating, when she's never had a bad day in her life and us just riding daddy's money wagon.

[@lamikal2515]

if he is 16yo a drive a range rover, he is the one braking up, and not the other way around.

[@GorehowlBeardhead]

The fact the cancellation button is red and labelled 'Quit Therapy' is fucking insidious. Remember people - they dont give a fuck about your mental health. Just your money

[@bl8388]

So true. As I mentioned elsewhere, I contacted them and asked how they protect people's privacy and protect Hipaa laws. A supervisor explained to me , "Hipaa doesn't apply to us and we make no promises about your personal information." I wanted to make sure I didn't read it out of context and followed up asking the same information several ways. That's their stance. She said you are paying for them to look for a therapist. There are complaints from people with long waits and no therapist, but still charged. A counselor's office would charge you only when you arrive for the first counseling session. And also I was told by that "Betterhelp," supervisor that some of them may only text you. All your friend or family member's "therapy," is text if that's how the "therapist," chooses. I picture someone making money at home texting a case load of 50+ people.

[@bored588]

tbh, these days its hard to find someone who actually cares, its 2024, mental health care is a gold mine for the providers.

[@tedk.6420]

Literally all therapists.

[@yous2244]

Isn't red usually cancel? What's wrong with it?

[@steve6977]

@@yous2244 green is usually the positive action and red is the negative action. In this case, cancelling the service would be the positive action and stopping service negative. Switching that interface goes against our subconscious, and the average npc brain person will hit the wrong button and not cancel.

[@MrTmm97]

3:09 “Quit” also gives a negative connotation. Possibly a dark pattern for multiple reasons …both the coloring of the cancel buttons and phrasing they are labeled with. “Quit” is likely meant to make the user feel bad for cancelling their subscription when they could be canceling for any number of reasons… dissatisfaction and looking for help in another service, potentially not feeling like they are in need of therapy anymore, or simply can’t afford it. Meanwhile the company is attempting to make potentially depressed people feel bad for cancelling for whatever reason by forcing then to click on something that could make someone who is potentially unwell feel as though they are a “quitter.” I feel like this of intentional. It’s disgusting how people truly looking for help are met with a company who is looking to take advantage of them from the start

[@janegoldberg]

Yes, you’re right. When I need regular sessions, my therapist always says the goal is for me to “graduate” from therapy, and he always says his job is done well if we can get there sooner than later and then I can live independently without needing the extra support. It’s very sad to see “quit” there. At best that’s confusing and at worst that’s manipulative.

[@yeckiLP]

If that is still there, isn't that another lawsuit and a far more harsh one? Because that button that ends/sends you further down the process of ending it (I'd imagine) is labeled "Quit therapy" isn't their whole trick that on their side they never call it therapie, but rather counseling/advice or similar terms? At least in germany (and I assume the rest of europe) that would be them destroying their own trap card. Because, why are you telling me that I am quitting therapy, a well defined word that has well understood implications and thus requirements attached, when I, according to the text of this transaction only signed up for counseling? It's not a separate service they offer and once I'm done jumping through the hoops that involve this button I changed the status of that counseling service, so the button was referring to that service. Though of course I am only a simple netizen and am very likely missing something that their only real expense (the legal team) didn't miss, still there could be something there..

[@carldenslow9629]

Attempting to deceive is lying. Too many people think there are semantic loopholes that make deception ok because they narrowly define lying.

[@glemmstengal]

Here's another tip: Raycons are shit and you're better off paying $20-30 for a random earbud off of Amazon.

[@Azmania3000]

I would play raid:shadow legends before I bought raycons 😁

[@mekal177]

High sound quality earbuds are a meme period Pay $300 for "high end" earbuds that sound worse than basic $40 over the ear headset

[@markwalsh262]

I'll keep my Skullcandy buds, never let me down and sound good

[@phoebeaurum7113]

Maybe not random. I'd recommend Tozo.

[@Vancev99x]

​@@markwalsh262 SkullCandy is so Under rated I miss the fuck out of my SkullCrushers. 😢

[@oteris2924]

Never, EVER trust a company that tries this hard to get their ads in front of your eyes. They want something more than your money.

[@PNooi]

They want your first born? ? 😳!!

[@kiloneie]

Don't trust ANY company, they are all for profit and sooner or later they will get more money than they ever thought they will and get greedy.

[@Shivana246]

​@PNooi they want the money you haven't made yet.

[@jacobcoughlin1822]

What more do they want💀💀💀

[@MonsterHat133]

@@PNooi lmao

[@bjg8638]

BetterHelp is making fucking bank too. I see that african woman telling me in heavily accented english that my feelings are valid a dozen times a day. Over advertising just screams scam to me.

[@neveridle]

over advertising always scream scam to me. It seems like par for the course, almost every service that needs a ton of money into marketing usually has nothing else of substance

[@EvilNeonETC]

​@@neveridleit's thanks to the excessive advertising that we were trained to ignore ads from early on. Choosing to ignore all ads makes these scams far less effective.

[@williamyoung9401]

It's all over the TV too. I barely watch TV, but when I do, there's advertisements for new drugs, old sugar water, and BetterHelp...

[@ffwast]

I can't stand that kind of thing, I've been using adblockers since I was on _dialup_

[@neveridle]

@@EvilNeonETC marketing in general is a scam. While marketing has helped me discover a few products that were useful for me, id say 99% of the products Ive bought I discovered them myself or through recommendation, be either games, health products, hygiene stuff, places to travel, clothing, everything was not through an ad. Marketing is mostly just a scam to sell people things they dont need.

[@BuffAmogus]

I worked at a call center where BetterHelp was one of the clients. We acted as customer support for them and I always knew this would blow up one day because almost every customer who called had something to complain about

[@thomaswilkerson2711]

To be fair, there is selection bias there since it's where people go to complain about something wrong, but your point is still sound.

[@genevievec.8002]

​@@thomaswilkerson2711 I was about to to say the exact same thing.

[@MusicObtusium]

I'm so sad that guga foods and vsauce 2 took betterhelp sponsorships recently.

[@sadravin1]

The red flag that prevented me from using better Help, as the service was when you sign up, it outright tells you that it is not associated with licensed professionals in addition to that it will not take any form of insurance. Other companies that have been out on KZbin as fraudulent are things like established titles/rocket money and many more

[@300apes]

Caleb Hammer.. Taking all them sponsors 😂

[@kinglewis6553]

That must be new; they didn't have it a few years back

[@ivayloyankov8120]

Web / Mobile developer here. UI is intentionally confusing, and we are talking about users with mental health problems. This company is trash!

[@Tyrael2k3]

There is a term for this, because it's so widespread: Dark patterns

[@Geekabibble]

That's exactly what I was thinking. How can we keep depressed people paying for a service they don't want anymore. Make it harder to actually cancel, put lots of hurdles in the way...because we know depressed people are unmotivated and have problems with things they perceive as being hard or time consuming.

[@jakeleisure8326]

​@Geekabibble Idk, I have attempted suicide but have never been so depressed I couldn't cancel a membership Guess I'm just built different 🤷

[@norwegiansmores811]

ALERT. VSAUCE2 TOOK A BETTERHELP SPONSORSHIP ON THEIR "FERAL CHILD" DOCUMENTARY

[@bleu_bird]

general rule of thumb, don’t buy the things influencers sell you

[@topicalstormofficial]

This era of KZbinr sponsorship sucks. So tired of it.

[@Daholy1727]

Unless it’s LTT’s screwdriver, that thing is actually very good

[@Yousei85]

Better yet, dont let yourself be influenced by morons

[@Kratos-eg7ez]

Depends entirely what it is. Usually if you buy into a sponsorship, it's because you were wanting a product like that anyways. Just look around at other reviews and use your brain

[@eikixia]

You're telling me Raidy Shady isn't all that it's made out to be?

[@LostGeburah]

pro tip: NEVER fall for influencer/youtube ads. 13:09 never cared to begin with.

[@CHIEF__]

Shady Rays is the only podcast ad I've ever bought and I actually enjoyed them (I swear I'm not an ad, they're good, cheap glasses)

[@secretsecret3528]

😂 I remember a KZbin add advertising the latest in military tech design to give you 200% more oxygen, like who is dumb enough to buy that crap, the damn things an inhaler 🤣🤣😂😂😂🤣🤣

[@LEWIS1992]

Sponsorships are the cancer of KZbin. Used exclusively by greedy creators.

[@camilla_films_stuff]

not even the desktop protection program that gives you a vpn and has kernel access and admin rights that's free in exhange for my browser history and all files on my computer and phone?

[@jayleno2192]

Some people swear by the Ridge wallet, but I've never bought one.

[@DergZaks]

Discord does exactly the same thing In the ToS they claim your data is not sold by discord. but a little further down there is an information that all your data is shared with their "Partners"

[@obsoletecd-rom]

Discord is Chinese spyware.

[@patrickdegroot3692]

Aka the Ccp.

[@evolgenius1150]

lol we didn’t sell your info, we sold the partnership which allowed access to your info 😂

[@entryofemotion12]

They just settled a lawsuit. People are getting payouts for it soon. I've got money coming back from it too. According to the email I recieved, they're sending out payments starting June 17th 2024, and check payments by July 2024. Seems like BetterHelp was revealing a lot of info to different companies for advertising, despite saying they wouldn't do that. And some of that info was answers to their health questions.

[@genevievec.8002]

Not gonna lie, kinda makes me wish I used BetterHelp. I know people are selling my data for advertising, so I'd take a payout haha.... I probably don't actually wish that, I imagine it's a class action lawsuit, in which case the payouts are usually pretty small. Maybe a cheap meal. Not nothing, but not worth the time even at that point.

[@yoji-_]

"You also have to press "Quit Therapy" four times to actually stop your subscription." This seems literally illegal in some way. Like, weird hidden instructions?? Not to mention extremely manipulative to make someone with mental health issues doubt their decision.

[@DiogenesDworkinson]

I don't want better help. I want worse help. It's just 3 hours of a guy in a tank top screaming at you in a drunken rage.

[@Haggis-Giggles4692]

That is why I watch Asmongold. I feel better about myself knowing that at least I’m not as bad as him.

[@Mecanotech]

That's Wes Watson for you. Pay a lot of money to get yelled and cussed out on the phone.

[@williambarnes5023]

So... boot camp drill sergeant?

[@bl8388]

Some of them only text you. Imagine a therapist who only provides text therapy. And you are paying for them to try to look for someone for you. There are complaints from people saying they couldn't get a therapist, but were still charged for the service "looking for someone for them."

[@N0stalgicLeaf]

Midhelp: A guy in a track suit irl streaming and giving advice he got from his boomer gym teacher who was always longing to relive his glory days.

[@Oneshtforfun]

I tried BetterHelp. The subscription hid that you were paying for 3 months instead of 1 so it charged me way more than I thought, I got matched with a guy who, while telling him the things that were bothering me replied "I don't know what you want me to do.".... Bruv, you're the "therapist" I'm swindled into listening to for 3 months, you fuckin tell me. It takes forever to have a conversation because you go 1 email every couple days, so while it might be cheaper than going and paying hourly, it's gonna take you months to actually accomplish anything if the fuck on the other end knows what they're even doing.

[@christophermiller4447]

Darkest time in my life, and I had a 1 year wait at any therapist office where I live, so I chose this out of last choice. 4 therapists. 4 no shows. 8 hours of my life is gone due to waiting until they basically said "Oh something happened to your therapist, but we can try again next time with a new therapist." Bologna. Never again. Got my shit together the hardest way possible. Made me better than I ever was

[@bhec7715]

That’s how therapy works. You gotta find one that is worth talking to. I used it. I didn’t vibe with the last. I cancelled. But it was like 30% cheaper than face to face so I’m not going to hate on it.

[@Bigbadpoppaj]

yeah thats not exclusive to betterhelp, thats therapy period. As ive literally had that happen with someone that has practice in an office.

[@Johngc61]

I think i got lucky, the woman i got was extremely helpful and she check-ins during the week. She listens, very understanding, gives pretty good advice. I looked her up as well, so that helped.

[@AnonDoge]

life is a scam your on your own.

[@foxdavion6865]

Oh you think this is bad, Disney+ is incredibly difficult to unsubscribe to as Disney indulges in similar tactics on their website to make unsubscribing incredibly difficult. You know a decade ago, this would be something I'd attribute to a shady MMO publisher like the now bankrupt and defunct Trion Worlds, but seeing this sort of behaviour everywhere now, makes me really angry.

[@coldgoldcan2781]

a while ago sky bought out my isp. first I heard of it was when I got a bill for sky internet, I immediately called to cancel, and they said I had to join them for a year, because my contract with old isp was yearly, and they would take me to court if I tried to to cancel. I said "OK lets got to court" and they immediately let me cancel. I wonder how many people stayed with sky for a year because they didnt want to go to court.

[@isaacjacobs1167]

Talking about hurdles with quiting better help, the people who sign up are people who are already struggling or exhausted mentally and every little hurdle becomes a much bigger issue when youre already struggling mentally

[@LethalShadow]

The Incogni ad is ironic considering how difficult it is to cancel THAT subscription. It took me 2 weeks of being told "oh we don't handle that service, go here instead" and THAT place telling me "we don't handle that, the people who sent you here handle it".

[@ThaCousin]

And "privacy" giving ur data and access to some other sus people behind that incogni service... Idk, kinda ridiculous make a video to critique betterhelp and sponsor that other groups.. and I'm not defending betterhelp by ANY meaning saying that. I think people have bills to pay but like, couldn't be another sponsor just for that video in particular? Haha

[@The_Endless_Now]

*_"If you would like to stop your recurring payments, reach out via email"_* Huge red flag right there. It should be as simple as a click of a button. Anything less is an obvious scam.

[@Maelthorn1337]

I don't think I've ever used a service that's been advertised in a youtube video. This seems like the best practice. Wait wait wait, that's not true. I paid for Dollar Shave Club for 6 months many uears ago. Their stuff was decent for the price.

[@KScrono]

My tinfoil hat theory is that they sell your recovered stuff x2 or x3 once you cancel it

[@some_random_wallaby]

Good to know

[@keegansimons7348]

That prompt at the bottom of the cancelation page said "press quit therapy 4 times for it to work" that is insane and have never seen a choice or instruction used on the web before. Thought stupid crap like that was the "true secret way" of for sure 100% make sure your subscription is canceled

[@db5094]

thats so fucking toxic for your brain also, agreeing to statements like that, its no longer about keeping people in your business model but also not caring about that you are making them feel like since Betterhelp didn't work for them, NO therapy can work

[@bl8388]

I worked in the field of Psychology for 10 years as a Qualified Mental Health Professional. Most counselors/therapists care about their clients. But the administrators and marketers, and sometimes billing departments are often exploitative. They aren't all bad, but many are, and will exploit people with severe mental health problems.

[@toshironikko]

I used to sign up for "free" stuff alot in the late 2000's and when I cancel the subscription the same day the person on the phone was "why?" and I just reply "I only signed up for the free stuff"

[@idadru]

​@@bl8388administration/bureaucracy turns everything to trash. Look at education, medicine, government, you name it paper pushers degrade everything around us.

[@keegansimons7348]

The client with OCD is now in an even worse existential crisis because maybe 4 times wasnt quite 4 times enough and the reason they were canceling was because of a profound break through after 4 years of their service just erased because they do something like this lol straight back into counseling

[@callum4796]

Praying on the vulnerable and disguising it as help is disgusting

[@f687sNFM]

Sadly many many companies do this one way or another

[@o0Donuts0o]

Praying doesn’t normally help. However, preying does.

[@bhec7715]

I used it. It was just like other therapy, but cheaper. 🤷🏻‍♂️

[@MrHeavy466]

People prey on the intelligent too, look up how many doctors get involved in investment scams, so it may be disgusting to you but it's not going to go away. Best you can do is wise up to it.

[@linux4me28]

Amen!

[@JuneauGTW]

My dad always taught me that "sorry means never again." That's what an apology is. You recognize that your behavior is wrong and you change that behavior forever. Pretty simple concept.

[@PigsxArexAwesome]

I had people around me try better help. One of the gems I was told is the therapists stating "the addiction you're describing isn't in my flyer so it's not a real additiction" another was "what happened to you isn't that bad and you should be fine, stop complaining"

[@vcool122]

Well, it doesn't suprised me. The worst thing is that I got similar treatment from a real actual therapist. Apparantly I don't have depression, I have anxio-depressive symptoms. They told me to go outside and make conexion with people >_>

[@RyeNorth]

Kyle Hill was informed about this, in the video "Exposing Science's Biggest Fraud", ironically, and ran defense for them in his comments.

[@FFNOJG]

He literally pushes disinfo all the time. dude literally pushes any "mainstream" thing as the truth...when its literally just CIA/BIG BUSINESS (literally one and the same. the CIA is the enforcement arm of American BIG business) disinfo. Like talking about how Vaccines DO NOT INJURE PEOPLE! literally what he says in that same video. when... that is fucking 100% false, and dangerous bullshit to push... obviously

[@mechadonia]

Used to be subbed to him when I was a kid and forgot about him till recently. He makes ok videos but his swag is so cooked. I saw one time he posted a poll on his channel feed unironically asking if anyone calls him “science daddy” when they talk about him so that was my cue to unsubscribe.

[@JustfknBill]

Betterhelp passed me around faster than the workers in a red light district. I had 30 different people in 30 days. And they wouldn't give me my money back. They're a corrupt, horrible company who doesn't care about your mental health at all.

[@nowayjosedaniel]

That doesn't make any sense. BetterHelp doesnt do anything. You either decide you want a new counselor, or I assume the counselor decides they dont want you as a client. I doubt it is the latter. So are you lying or is your psychosis centered around constantly clicking to get a new therapist? Or am I missing something?

[@EasyGameEh]

the sole fact that the ad is everywhere tells you everything you need to know about them

[@jetdathreat]

Been seeing a lot of incogni ads everywhere too, now that you mention it!

[@EasyGameEh]

@@jetdathreat the worst offender is raid. but this anonymization spiel as well as vpns are bad too - they sell you fear and paranoia to only betray your trust selling your shiet to third parties.

[@SkumleBones]

wait.... so they just let anyone do counselor work even if they were not certified? WTF

[@larryvillarreal5400]

Cinema therapy also uses betterhelp as a sponsor. They dropped them previously and now they’re back.

[@monsterman272]

As a rule of thumb it’s probably a good idea to assume most KZbin sponsors are a scam. I think this is the third time hearing about a sponsorship being a scam. That one where people become a lord in Scotland, and another one I can’t think of.

[@LordSleven]

NordVPN is another... The company claimed they could shield your info but was leaking it for years without telling anyone

[@Blaze_Shadowflame]

Kamikoto knives?

[@KirkFickert]

I always thought of the Scotland lord thing as being a novelty thing like the star registry thing in decades past.

[@streetmp]

The only thing I’ve ever bought that has advertised on YT was a ridge wallet and I got it for Father’s Day. 2 years ago I think? Can absolutely recommend them.

[@aleksandarkovacevic7138]

I always thought Scotland thing was a joke. I was just upset there are no environmental campaign

[@Arthur-uu3px]

I vividly remember the first Better Help controversy back in 2018. I would NOT trust this company with any information about me whatsoever.

[@Friskni]

the advertising strategy of betterhelp is also something that needs to be made illegal. Using actors and influencers to pretend to be your best mate pretending about how they used a mental health service should be hella illegal.

[@LordSleven]

Theft by deception is indeed illegal... If you can prove it that is

[@NightmareRex6]

im seeing kids buy prime drinks and alwasy try to warn parrents when see them having kids buying the cans becuase those are the energy drinks and the bottles are the sports drinks. and if you see something like that and dont warn them then you karmicaly get attached to it if somethign bad happens.

[@Heowolf]

There's a scenario here where someone with a specific type of OCD wouldn't be able to cancel their service without the help of someone else and that's hilarious and terrifying at the same time.

[@carldenslow9629]

When something becomes illegal, companies find a legal way to keep doing it, like just pay the fines. When something becomes unprofitable, they stop immediately.

[@400KrispyKremes]

It's like a funnel that takes people who need help, and then they scam them. So no help. Just a backdoor scam.

[@sora15151SomethingAppropriate]

I've literally used BetterHelp and nothing about it is a scam. My experience with it was completely fine.

[@Jabarri74]

Pretty low to scam people at their lowest, but thats usually when they have their guard down

[@MasutaMJ]

Before this virus it was known that BetterHelp was a scam years ago anyway

[@jayluss]

That’s what I thought. I was starting to think my memory about that was wrong with all the new adds popping up.

[@sora15151SomethingAppropriate]

I've used BetterHelp and it's completely fine.

[@briancollins7296]

@@jayluss i remember some kind of robo therapy site a few years ago, but it would connect you to an actual person if you were in serious mental illness/crisis

[@teanott5073]

I dont think it was widnly known, at least for sure by the youtubers, they kept advertising that

[@whendarknessfalls6969]

Bacteria maybe, but it's not as "viral" as the woke mind virus. Look into the microbiome

[@BBJones93]

My sister works for these guys and she's an idiot. I'd never seek her for any type of advice....

[@darkwyve]

You got one of those in your family too? Fucking up as many people as they can, whether it's work, home, or play?

[@dom1040]

does your sister havy any form of education in the field or is she just winging it?

[@BBJones93]

@@dom1040 She does, she went through a three year placement on suicide help lines, and an online course. For what it's worth I know three others that I know through gaming that are doing the same courses, they are all the usual BS nanny state, blame the parents crap. From the sounds of it all she does is reassure people on their life choices, and tries to life coach them. She is going through a divorce to her wife as this happens. We are also very wealthy, she's struggled for nothing.

[@BBJones93]

@@darkwyve She is a delight, correct.

[@DantesHaven]

@@BBJones93 Lesbian. Makes sense.

[@scottnassler]

Sounds like it ends up with your wallet needing betterhelp.

[@ColossalNakk]

Asmond had a great point about keeping business accountable as much as we can by mass boycotting. Theres alot of scams and shady business going on that we need to stay informed about for ourselves.

[@Tyhar93]

A lot of channels temporarily stopped BetterHelp sponsorships and jumped back on the bandwagon when the controversy blew over. Cody Ko, Jacksfilms, Philip Defranco...just to name a few. These people have no actual morality just want that sweet sweet sponsorship money.

[@savagex378]

2:31 Yes, that is indeed on purpose. It's called "Call to action" and is a useful trick to get users to click on the action you want them to take. Also, the human brain responds faster to colors than to text so making the button you want them to click being green is intentional.

[@arkcantoscreampsnpc7274]

real ones saw it before it was privated

[@kex5835]

A moment of Deja Vu

[@TrenchNerd]

I was pretty confused halfway through and it said there was a video error

[@Supergh0stTV]

Anyone know the difference?

[@lelandmassaro4086]

Only if we could of finished it before it disappeared..I thought KZbin pulled it bc they are a massive advertisement 😂

[@PhyrexianFleshgorger]

Yeah wtf

[@kilawen]

8:10 yeah me too bro to clarify I did go to therapy (forced by my parents when I was young, about 10 or so) the therapist refused to see me anymore after about 5 sessions because I didnt have anything traumatizing to talk about we would just talk about the weather and shit.

[@angelarch5352]

15:31 to be fair. I would trust a raccoon more than I would trust a human. I would expect that raccoons have a higher level of moral fortitude than the average human.

[@Tyhar93]

I remember when the controversy with BetterHelp happened, and all these youtubers who took sponsorships from them apologized. Then a few months later they went back to doing BetterHelp sponsorships. Money is all these people care about. Nobody on the internet is what they seem.

[@iiyyxxnn]

Who apologized then started advertising them again?

[@Tyhar93]

@iiyyxxnn Philip Defranco did for sure. I'm sure other channels did too but I don't remember who all made apologies.

[@Azuciea]

I was told I was going to "move on" if I didnt get the coof shot. Man thinking about that stuff makes me loathe my fellow man.

[@ianfarris9396]

You already loathed your fellow man. You're speaking nonsense right now mad at nobody.

[@Ian.420]

I was told everybody i know was gunna notalive because of that and how much of a monster i was for thinking it wasnt a big deal. I was told millions of people notalived from it and was the most dangerous thing ever. Turns out it was only dangerous if you were already sick with something else. Turns out hospitals were getting huge amounts of money from pharmaceutical companies to falsely label any notalive as that. Our policians knew in November 2019 and sold their stocks, pharmaceutical companies knew probably even earlier because they shat out billions of doses of their RNA gene sequencer in less than 6 months

[@spacequack5470]

@@ianfarris9396 You really should learn how to troll

[@jacobsmith8377]

Tf is a coof shot 😅

[@randomdamian]

3:05 What people don't understand here is that people click on the green button assuming it is canceled then after clicking that button you are redirected to the main page. Most websites say "Thanks for staying with us" or "Your membership has been canceled" to confirm what you did. BetterHelp doesn't do that, you click the green button and you move on with your day and you can't do shit about it. If the buttons had no colors it would be better to confuse people this much.

[@Tdawg-b2b]

The last sentence you wrote is very confusing.

[@thothheartmaat2833]

0:45 if you need therapy for an actual reason dont use better help... we're not a real therapy service.. in other words.. we're a therapy service... asterisk..

[@johnathansaegal3156]

26:55 ... not advertisements, but sponsorship reads. I see them about once a day across maybe ten videos. The last Better Help sponsor read I was was about 2 weeks ago (end of July, 2024) the channel was Mentour Pilot.

[@maeror1022]

I fixed my depression by changing my diet, being more active, and surrounding myself with good people. If I had tried to use BetterHelp instead I would be dead now.

[@juanitoalcachofa3485]

True

[@mikehunt4265]

The good people part is the issue, it's too easy for people to turn sour on you and then that sends you back down the cycle of depression

[@araamahasla555]

"Just buy a house, lamayo!"

[@bl8388]

I'm glad you got help for your depression. I'm not a fan of betterhelp and have critiqued it for years. But, "If I used a service I never used, result X would have happened," sounds odd to me.

[@eduardobarbieridealencar4838]

dont know man, if you chaning your diet doing more things and talking with more people prevent you from suicide you problably didnt have depression to begin with, maybe you were just a bit too whiney

[@realFortyOne]

Went through this with Artesian Builds as my first sponsor. It sucks seeing people get screwed but it sucks even more having that damage on your brand and losing the money you *thought* you were going to make. Triple whammy.

[@Terrobility]

Pro tip: Ridge wallets will DESTROY your pockets. They may look fancy but the metal and sharp corners will tear through fabric. Just get a normal leather card holder or wallet.

[@admirallove6180]

lol I have no idea what you're talking about, the corners are rounded

[@NotSolutha]

Have a ridge, the only thing that it messes up are the cards themselves. Scratches the fuck outta them.

[@Reevin]

For the record, WoW did this account cancell hurdle crap too. I quit the game during burning crusade and wrath. Creating or renewing a sub was one page, payment information and one click. Canceling your sub was a minimum of 6 pages and a survey before the button to cancel would even appear. They scored one extra sub from me with that crap because i was in a hurry and couldn't find the button easily the first time i tried to cancel. After it rolled a new month i was motivated then to find it.

[@harambeexpress]

I have a terrible short memory - and when I saw Better help come back I was like... Hang on, I've seen this shit before! I guess that a whole new market effectively just aged into existence and all they need to do is run the same scam again on new people.

[@Hamlet0727]

The sheer amount of ads I experienced from better help on KZbin just gave me the ick. So I just assumed it was some scammy shit.

[@arkadisevyan]

Yeah same thing with that get a title in irland by buying a plot of land.

[@fillerbunnyninjashark271]

I haven't seen an ad on KZbin for a couple of years now... Brave browser

[@GeekyC.]

@@arkadisevyan”become a Scottish lord today it’s the perfect gift for Christmas” 😂 people in the uk were laughing our arses off when we saw that one

[@tripcave420]

Just report all of them?

[@LonelyAncient]

since we're here let's go ahead and do a round up of sponsor issues. mobile games(like Raid, Genshin, Dragon city): primary progression is a gambling, gameplay often intentionally grindy through time based resources like energy. VPNs (like Nord, express): benefits of VPNs is over stated and promises they can't keep like -'no logs': impossible due to CSAM/hitman/drug purposes and implementations like RADIUS protocols, there are public court cases where 'no log' vpn log were used. -'increased security': true only against Man in the middle attacks which are extremely rare with modern protocols. -Raycon: overpriced compared to quality for 80 fucking dollars for the cheapest set. -food kits (factor, hello fresh): it's delivery food but once it arrives you still have to cook it, many reports of food arriving stale and over ripe and not lasting long in the fridge, it's way cheaper to buy the ingredients yourself. -Displate: flimsy thin metal that's easily bent, a lot of their catalogue is AI generated so you have to wade through slop.

[@socksfersold]

Honestly, for the food ones, just find a recipe and buy some groceries lol you don’t need a subscription for that

[@vcool122]

I once look up food kit prices. It's honestly cheaper (At least where I live) to order food on skip or doordash once a day than paying for those.

[@nowayjosedaniel]

VPN's can choose to obey the law while holding no records. Some claim they dont log, but they do. Some claim they dont log, and they dont. It's just up to the VPN, but you are wrong that they have to keep logs. It's just that some CHOOSE to log and then LIE and say they dont.

[@IanSlatas]

Betterhelp sponsored Corridor Crew's video yesterday with the spot read by Griffin. I'm seeing Betterhelp popping up a lot of places again and thought that's what this video was addressing. Many of the videos that Betterhelp sponsor have comment threads with people complaining about the sponsorship and other people defending that they may have a sponsorship contract.

[@bloodeagle6458]

Sometimes you just need someone who listens they where called teen/help lines back in the day that where free better help should have been a non profit as soon as something asks you for those credit card numbers we have issues

[@davidtriplett7313]

After doing gate duty when I was in the military I came to understand not many people pay attention to signs. There was a long road with plenty of time for people to make a u-turn with multiple signs saying that they are entering a military installation and 100% ID check in progress along with random vehicle inspections as well. There would be so many people surprised that they were entering a military base. And many people would also look surprised if we asked for ID. Many would come up with different reasons why they didn't know or didn't have to. Now, understanding that it doesn't surprise me that people get tricked into clicking things quickly because they are so used to the cancel and accept buttons are usually placed in a certain way or have a certain color. Many sites are opening that you do that, heck sites are also wording things in such a way that you don't know what button to push. I have seen it worded where if you hit confirm, where you would think you would be confirming to cancel, you're actually confirming stay on the platform.

[@Tryptameme]

I just want to note, that Theo Von has been promoting better help for a long time, actually I'm pretty sure he started doing ads for them right after the first time they were exposed years ago. I remember many people in the comments telling him not to advertise that service, with lots of those posts getting up voted near the top. I like Theo as a comic, but there's no way he doesn't know better help is extremely shady at the least, unless he is totally disconnected from his community entirely. Definitely lost some respect for him for that

[@tbkswagg]

He pays 100 dollars for his openers while making tens of thousands for 1 session. He's very stingy and money hungry

[@vcool122]

He probably knows and keep taking their sponsor because it drives engagement by people commenting on his videos about how bad Betterhelp is.

[@Jason-dg3fj]

The issue I have with these KZbins taking on Betterhelp adds is they lie and say they used it themselves. That makes them part of the scam.

[@colinnixon7739]

Exactly. Celebs literally have their own line of private therapist.

[@thomaswilkerson2711]

It's possible that they use the service themselves, but the company gives them better quality service that they vet themselves rather than the services available to the public. I've worked for companies that do this before.

[@xPeski]

I'll just stick to drugs... Thank you

[@HasturBeta]

fuck eh, right

[@Secretwhey]

And I'll just being insane.... Thanks

[@Azmania3000]

I have chronic tinnitus and have developed a level of alcoholism where I can dream with my eyes open. I just need the courage to write down what I see. Will better help allow me to overcome my fears?

[@fillerbunnyninjashark271]

Switch alcohol for weed

[@gamingchickenstudios]

Same!

[@qu3nt]

38:23 or the comments on better help are just shadow banned

[@mastersingleton]

People have also forgotten the drama behind the Established Titles and Kamikoto Knives KZbin Sponsorship Saga.

[@vcool122]

Yup. I havn't XD Tho I havn't seen any sponsorship again for those 2 companies.

[@chaechae2424]

its ironic that the video is about betterhelp being a bad sponsor yet they have incogni as a sponsor aswell. I have heard that if you sign up you get less spam calls but as soon as you leave you get way more spam than would have before joining.

[@dustinvanwinkle5078]

I nvr get spam calls and if I do it's like once every few months. Stop signing up for everything under the sun and clicking random links on social media 😂

[@vcool122]

@@dustinvanwinkle5078 XD hahaha I got the same phone number for 5 years already and I haven't got a single spam call.

[@Melvinious]

I used better help for several months a few years ago after some severe things came up and idk if it was just the therapist i had or if the company was different then, but it was actually one of the best experiences ive ever had with therapy. Ive had several therapists over the years, and the one that i had through better help was by far the best one.

[@IAmDaDumb1]

Nothing is really stopping a genuinely good therapist from applying and getting a job there. The problem is that there is also nothing stopping a bad/unqualified one. Sounds like you fortunately got lucky

[@phil1500]

@@IAmDaDumb1 I don't even think bad therapists are as big of a problem for it since you can swap around and ones bad is another good (all major forms of therapy have consistently proven to be equally effective generally but not equal to any specific individual). It all depends. The problem is the business model itself. There are much better remote therapy services out there that can easily connect you to more experienced therapists if that is what you are looking for.

[@eddielombardo]

I keep listening to creepypasta videos at work that get interrupted by betterhelp ads. One channel has paid in video ads for them. I'm just sick of betterhelp, raycon, manscaped, hellofresh, but betterhelp being the worst of them really says something, and it's the epitome of grifting.

[@vcool122]

manscaped is bad? I haven't looked into it. I know Raycon and Hello Fresh are overpriced, but that's pretty much about it.

[@mesicek7]

Memology did a 6 part mini series about Better Help back in 2018 26:57 - Rosenbaum's been shilling Better Help on his podcast for over a year now if not more.

[@rado_paradoks]

3:00 it looks like either someone put in bad colors or text for it. Customers are basically trying to guess, which is never good

[@mekmekoo1269]

A good rule of thumb is if multiple youtubers promote something, it's most likely a scam.

[@juanitoalcachofa3485]

Nord VPN’s a scam ?

[@sonicartzldesignerclan5763]

Nord vpn Raid shadow legends Yfood MMoga different games Is any of those a scam? Youre rule is the worst rule i ever heard.

[@randerson4124]

@@juanitoalcachofa3485 no, totally legit, now Established Titles, THAT was a scam

[@mekmekoo1269]

@@juanitoalcachofa3485 Well... Nobody needs a VPN unless you're doing something illegal. Otherwise there are plenty of ways of protecting your privacy that are completely free. Also, they have been hacked multiple times and their users data has been compromised so... In that sense your privacy is less safe with Nord VPN that without it. So... In my opinion... Yes. Nord VPN is a scam.

[@mekmekoo1269]

@@sonicartzldesignerclan5763 Nord VPN and Raid shadow legends are scams yes. I have never heard of the other ones.

[@Deckard575]

"Everybody else is crazy"...yep thats how the crazies see themselves.

[@juanitoalcachofa3485]

Exactly; I couldn’t help to grin when asmond was talking about it. Like, sure buddy; the Diogenes syndrome streamer is gonna have a shot at pretending to be rational again.

[@jetdathreat]

I think that's also how cults get you lol

[@Maelthorn1337]

Almost certain that's the joke he's making.

[@scubasteve2189]

First of all, he’s making a self-aware joke. But second of all, he’s more sane than most of the people taking the time to try and shame someone else on the internet for how THEY are living their lives. 😉

[@Mattaiu]

@@juanitoalcachofa3485he’s making a self aware joke. He’s not being serious. Why do you watch this channel if you feel this way about asmon? Hate watching is being his biggest fan 💀👍

[@MrNoLen5]

Better Help had some WEIRD commercials a while back... they made me feel uncomfortable...

[@Mai2708]

oooh I remember the "Julian says..." guy. that one was hilarious! xD

[@LodanSD]

That Reel to Reel that the guy kept showing was pissing me off... One side is going double the speed of the other side... How is that even possible if the tape is connected to both reels?

[@vcool122]

If you've ever used any cassettes in your life, you can see that same effect when on side has more tape around than the other. Smaller radius will turn faster for the same length of tape transfered. Same effect applies for a bike's wheel to the pedals.

[@LunaNK22]

I think pewdiepie already did this video years ago right?

[@warpfrenzy]

That quit button is a dark pattern. A dark pattern (also known as a "deceptive design pattern") is "a user interface that has been carefully crafted to trick users into doing things, such as buying overpriced insurance with their purchase or signing up for recurring bills".

[@smoke3dR]

What sucks is that a KZbinr I watch a lot of keeps promoting them, and they get called out a lot, but he just doesn't care. Even with all the problems with BH, he continues to work with them. The KZbinr is Bigjigglypanda.

[@majorxxr6753]

Wonder if caredash would have made more money if they did the Classic "No spots available for this therapist, however, if you have the membership you can skip the normal line" then they just direct you to the therapist actual page. Enough people would forget the membership so they could def milk them. About 70% of gym memberships are paid by people who don't even go after all.

[@supermaster2012]

Icogni is a scam, they don't have the legal right to represent you (that requires a physical notarized letter sealed by a barred notary). Breakers can and do just ignore their requests.

[@rami8896]

I remember when Phillip Defranco was heavily shilling for BetterHelp

[@KirkFickert]

Wasn’t he an investor in the company?

[@ironwox]

Never Trust anything that is advertised and sponsored by KZbinrs

[@LordSleven]

Never trust anything... Full stop

[@darkwyve]

@@LordSleven I don't even trust you, and I agree with you... ;)

[@MazeFrame]

If there is money for advertising, it means that money did not go into the product.

[@spacequack5470]

@@MazeFrame An irrelevant point. Brain rot really did a number on you

[@underthewillows3681]

I can't spend 30 min of KZbin before I see an ad or two for "betterhelp"

[@runklestiltskin_2407]

Sponsor block is such a blessing

[@Haggis-Giggles4692]

What? What is that? Are you talking about add block?

[@caddph]

​@Giggles4692 it's a bit different; ad block will block pre/mid/post ads, but sponser block will skip the portion of a KZbin video that is an ad read.

[@tripcave420]

Report the ad too for fraud@@caddph

[@LateNightwithBroski]

"Some peoples food gets cold... well I guess in this case... their body. Was that too far?!" LMFAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

[@justinkirschenman2232]

I instantly recognized this trend starting up again. I was absolutely shocked by some of the creators who accepted better help back. It was even more confusing when it took a couple of weeks before I read a comment other than my own pointing it out.

[@Gorrash]

Any service/produt, specially on youtube, that needs to sponsor hundreds or thousands of people to get sold, i automatically assume its a scam, this is the right mindset to have lol

[@ginger_jeezus]

Yea, the fact that ATLEAST half the people in their ads are influencers who probably aren't actually in therapy

[@Sean-hb4nw]

I work for teladoc. This was not the crossover content my life needed on Sunday morning.

[@Rohtix]

Found it outside of KZbin and tried it. Wanted to get some help with my ADHD and how its effected my life. Dont think we ever spoke about adhd, strategies or anything. Best I got was being told to "get out more." Total waste of time.

[@HotMudrs]

Some 50 year old guy at my workplace when I was at lunch was listening to a youtube video and I shit you not right after I finished this video I heard from his phone a betterhelp sponsor. It really is everywhere.

[@JustAnotherAccount8]

Literally any sponsorship you see on youtube you should avoid. They're either scams, completely ineffective, or products you can buy cheaper elsewhere and still get the exact same model. Any company you've never heard of that sponsors youtubers is very likely putting all their money into marketing instead of the products.

[@nowayjosedaniel]

Wait you mean there's a cheaper version of RAID SHADOW LEGENDS?!?!?!

[@JustAnotherAccount8]

@@nowayjosedaniel yep. Not playing is the cheaper option lol

[@xXxGUZxXx]

Wait…you guys don’t just assume any podcast sponsor is an automatic scam?

[@kevingarlick4617]

Blue Chew works great

[@LordSleven]

Some of us are just that desperate... Myself included sometimes

[@moonknight87]

Another thing if I want to cheer myself up I go to Walmart to people watch, my life may not be perfect but at least I still have the will to shower.

[@VincentPaulS]

Why you gotta be shttn on Asmon in his own comments man, not cool bud

[@briancollins7296]

i got asked to leave if i wasnt going to buy anything, i told the guy that was going to make me even less likely to make a purchase and suggested he rephrase his statement. i also went back the next day and shit in the urinal and stuffed soaked toilet paper into the air dryers.

[@darkwyve]

@@VincentPaulS Would they be a *real* Asmon fan if they *weren't* shitting on him? )

[@moonknight87]

@@VincentPaulS no shade at all, I don’t trust the service he is talking about

[@evanmarogen]

​@@briancollins7296 based you doin the lords work.

[@chrisvids184]

I think you just helped me find an idea for my case study for my ethics class thank you haha

[@vcool122]

You could also look up Established Titles. I believe they now say it's a gag gift on their website, but when they used to do sponsorship, it was advertised as serious land titles.

[@orchetect7415]

10:15 “today’s video is brought to you by…” I would have laughed so hard if he said “BetterHelp. No, just kidding…”

[@Bmilroy080688]

Yeah. Fines are only relevant if their consequential. I would say "reputation is important" But the customer doesn't even know it happened. It's almost as if they (regulator's) believe reducing investor's will discourage scammers. Which is B.S.