Dream's Career Has 12 Months Left | Asmongold Reacts to SunnyV2

[@nenshoufox]

Everything I’ve ever learned about Dream was never by my own will.

[@vocalcalibration8033]

Same brother

[@theonlyac3420]

For real I had no idea b4 the drama

[@surianna301]

Were you being held by gun point while watching this

[@jurb417]

you voluntarily watched this so you're already wrong.....

[@solomani-42]

Ditto.

[@funkytiger6967]

The girl who accused Dream's friend saying "I was freshly 18" was the first sign that something was wrong about the whole thing lol. Her video seemed super rehearsed and everything but I was willing to give her the benefit of the doubt that she was scared but no regular person would say "freshly 18" lol. "I was only 18" or "I'd jsut turned 18" are the regular sane people terms, "freshly 18" sounds like a Sasha Grey video title from 2008 ffs

[@Rothillion]

she said that to manipulate the public opinion. when she said freshly 18, they was pointing that she was a minor few weeks/months ago. meanning she decided to make people feel he is a pedo

[@rainblue4789]

there's been so many bs stories like this recently, was this the same girl that sounded like she was reading a Y/N fanfic as her "story" recounting?

[@MrHestolemyname]

She says ''freshly'' purely to make it more sexual. Which made George's situation look even more bad.

[@lootmaster1337]

i was freshly 18 .. we cuddled and then he left .. and i don't even like the minecraft weridos but if the bar is that low, holy shit

[@VoxelPioneer]

The best part is she had been 18 for like 6 months when it happened 😂

[@CamperCarl00]

Something important to note is that the George canceling was bullshit. The girl in question was 18, lied that she was 21, and went to a drinking party. Both she and George were drunk, and they both consensually cuddled. It was only a week after the party that she tried to wield her age as if she weren't an adult. It's a very interesting rabbithole for sure.

[@gabev7579]

Wow sounds like she was trying to use him

[@bisky-z3s]

This happens far more than people realize. Clout seekers weaponize interactions. It's called Vulnerable Narcissism.

[@Thisguy2532]

@@gabev7579she was, like many young ladies, they decide one day I didn’t like that and bam on KZbin for clout and it didn’t work TBH a lot of KZbinrs I watch that aren’t in the gaming community covered it like aba and preach, and said she was being dumb saying she wasn’t capable of making her own decisions as a legal adult even going as far to say she in her own words was an underaged/minor 19 year old, no accountability even for the fact that she lied about her age and claimed sexual assault for cuddling, I have friends that would tell you horrible stories of when they were SA, it was a grab from the chick to obtain popularity

[@OfficalLawDawe]

she also didnt start wielding her age until after he tried to distance and end things from her too

[@ferretdash]

isnt 18 the legal drinking age in the uk, where georgenotfound lives?

[@Readintweetz]

Im balding, so I watch Asmon

[@jansix4287]

For me it’s the dirty room in mom’s house. I can relate. 😆

[@pachalo]

I have a dirty room, bald and love Dr. Pepper

[@thegreatbeavers]

Asmomgold completely lost the touch for Minecraft though he is right but he is ded wrong. There's guys like Grian and Mumbo Jumbo and both of em are happy.

[@nedfo72]

Same bro, same

[@karnaerrande]

same

[@bisky-z3s]

The Georgenotfound situation was disgusting. It's abhorrent how common that is offline. People never get punished for slandering men like that.

[@kacecrimson8297]

not enough people care, maybe that will change. But as is to the wolves he goes

[@ucNguyen-tp3fb]

Who?

[@karacter3369]

That advice by the end of the video was real

[@bisky-z3s]

I'm surprised this didn't get deleted like 80% of my replies on this subject always get deleted despite just voicing the same opinion as most of this thread. People should realize that this is "Problematic" to the admin's/AI of this site. Be careful out there my dudes, they see you as the enemy.

[@kacecrimson8297]

@@bisky-z3s I legit dont even want to comment anymore because they delete my things instantly. Im just praying that this back fires on them to such a degree that they have to give up on it.

[@pdpgb]

lol 12 year olds don't want to watch other 12 year old content creators. They wanna watch 16-26 year old creators who play minecraft and act like they're 14.

[@thatguyintherain3168]

That's what he said, dingus

[@Asin24]

@@thatguyintherain3168 I mean in the rant early on he literally said someone their age. It's not at all what he was initially saying.

[@mattnic001]

thats literally his point

[@godpop]

​@@Asin24"people that look 14" is what he said earlier😂

[@imrane161]

​@@godpopwhat about jake paul tho, what about those typical bad influence youtubers who prank? What about that chick who made the apology song. I think mr beast aswell? (I dont pay attention i think those got/have alot of kids) Its not about looking like them its about the content. Meanwhile people that look the same age rarely attract the same age crowd. Ofc the audience wants to relate to the youtuber. "Same look" doesnt mean "i relate". I disagree with him because he puts those 2 together like cause and effect. There could be different factors at play. A big one for example is the mystery is gone. Asmongold even said that his vieuwership was already falling before he took the mask off. So clearly its not about his looks. Taking his mask off was a just a quick way to get back vieuws. I think the main reason his vieuws dropped off for non constincy

[@jordanak3223]

Imagine your face is the reason of your downfall .

[@luckysalt8151]

Normally that would be pretty shitty/shallow, but when its the internet as a whole, there's not much you can do about it. So it doesn't matter if its bad. Even if the allegations were true.

[@basementhomie2674]

Can relate

[@tuckddd9]

Bro really look like the troll thing he had to know that angle would do it he had to

[@SyIis]

Life could be dream

[@LordRykard9376]

Honestly I think it's more a mystery thing.

[@ASNS117Zero]

The problem wasn't the face reveal, I think. The problem is he basically decided to stop doing the thing that made him famous, and subsequently not replace it with anything meaningful. The amount of content that he produced dropped off a cliff, and people stopped being interested. If Dream had kept making content regularly, the face reveal would have just been a controversial blip that everybody forgot about in a few months. The fact that he just stopped doing what he was famous for and tried to freaking make music is what hurt his career so badly. Frankly, he could still make it back, I think, if he returned to what made him big in the first place. The problem is entirely self inflicted.

[@namanhlehoang9999]

I think the same. People love him cause of his content which he has been making as a minecraft content creator until he do vlog like content and interact with celebs

[@wilsonjoshwilson]

Bro should have kept that mask on for life😭

[@PineappleBaconPizza]

Damn, he's going to build a time machine to stop himself from that face reveal 😂

[@oscarcharliezulu]

Dream should have learned from the dread pirate Roberts

[@DanteVerde-pt9zc]

@@PineappleBaconPizza Nope it's his canon event

[@offworlder461]

Dude should've learned from H20 Delirious. Just keeps uploading face reveal videos every April 1st.

[@PhurPher]

Nah, it wasn't him showing his face that's the issue, it's definitely the fact that he did a face reveal and made it a whole thing. It's weird and creepy and keeps peoples mind stuck on your face. "Peekaboo, look it's me, a HUMAN, hehehehe" and his eyes are all wide and IDK man it's weird. Like yea, we know dude... stop being fucking weird about it. It also makes being in a game and not showing your face a weird thing when in reality it isn't, making this face reveal some BIG THING, it just gives everyone a bad vibe. It's pretty unhinged tbh. Like Asmon said, it's attention seeking too. If he had just revealed his face without announcing it or giving a fuck, like it's just another day without addressing it, nobody would have gave a fuck. Some parasocial weirdos would have talked about it for a couple weeks and people would have stopped hearing or thinking about it. It's almost as if he was hiding and this reveal thing was a projection of his guilt combo'd with his awkwardness that he had which was his reason for wearing it. Thing about being awkward, stop paying attention to it and it stops mattering. Still exists, just doesn't count for anything, no one gives a shit.

[@xdragoonzero0]

Dream's situation is the opposite of Disguised Toast. Toast's face reveal was an accident but was just laughed off and then he did the reveal later and became more powerful.

[@veridan4363]

The 2019-2022 "Tech Boom" has massively warped peoples frame of reference. Between people physically sheltered in their homes and mentally sheltered into their online circles, the brain rot has rooted itself deep. Going from 40+ mil views down to 7 mil views blows, sure. BUT, if you had 7 mil views back in 2017-2018 you were a titan on the internet.

[@bigfin20]

absolutely. I keep seeing pandemic numbers referenced as 'falling off' or something when it was just a huge exception bc of the circumstances

[@jimbothegymbro7086]

I mean as long as he can survive on the lower views and he's happy who cares? we don't have to min max the joy out of life to be valid human beings for christ sake

[@RIP_ZYZZ1738]

@@jimbothegymbro7086And to add to your point, less views means less shit to deal with. So if falling off means having the same standard of living with better mental health, that’s a win honestly

[@jaybird415]

Still,40 mil to 7 mil is something that cant be ignored.unless your like that one meme with the dog sitting in a burning house.

[@Stevo.100]

Regarding George's "power dynamic" conversation. You can tell someone is terminally online when they use such a phrase and have no idea what it actually means.

[@thomgizziz]

There is always a power dynamic... people are attracted to something and they want it which they say creates a power dynamic. It is just a BS way to play the victim. Unless people are threatening to use their power outside of the relationship or are using that power then there is nothing to talk about. You threatening to break up with somebody isn't a power dynamic issue because they have the same power in the relationship. People need to stop trying to have no responsibility and need to stop playing the victim for cash and prizes.

[@barstools1013]

​@@thomgizzizbut that's not what that means. He has no authority over her.

[@animalcrossingcharacter_ex9717]

bro forgot that every kids youtuber is in their 20's or 30's

[@DemonGoddessMaji]

What he's saying is their looks not their actual age. It's a point it seems a lot of people are missing. I will say Asmond's point holds true in many cases however, the content matters to that draws you in.

[@animalcrossingcharacter_ex9717]

@@DemonGoddessMaji what 20+ person looks like a 10 year old

[@Thisisdumbb]

@@DemonGoddessMajiwell that wasn’t what he said lmaoo. He said 12 years watch other 12 year old creators who are the same age etc.

[@ultimaxkom8728]

In another way, it's a kind of stereotyping. It also has to be said that teens love to imitate adults and being "smart"; rejecting kids stuff.

[@SixArmedPriest]

His statement is still true lol If you think he is wrong about people watching streamers around their same or similar age then you're just an idiot or completely ignorant. Not being rude, just stating facts. Its not an opinion. Look up the statistics.

[@christophereschbacher424]

Asmongold is right. Honestly, even if he gets way less money now, he also gets his life back. If he is wise with the money he has earned so far he could easily do less on KZbin and just have a normal outside life. There is nothing shameful about deciding to take your winnings and walk away.

[@holysecret2]

I agree, I think however that communicating that is an important step in avoiding a lot of toxicity. Pewdiepie was quite honest about the direction he was going, and communicated that he was less interested in making frequent content anymore, but would keep in touch. I think his relation with his community is a pretty good example, where it graduated from the sort of daily active friend you go out with to more of an old friend you see a couple times a year. Not trying to invoke some parasocial vibes with that language by the way, it's just the closest analogy I can think of

[@RobReith]

Honestly that's the way to go in my opinion. Get wealthy then have a life to enjoy it. 👍🏻

[@JohnDelayLi]

@@holysecret2 Dream couldnt communicate anything as people kept flinging around the pedo card with their stupid stories. Dude was hated, proved them wrong and moved on in his life

[@pindy6109]

The thing that people disagreed with about Asmon's take on watching people who were their age and people saying "No?" was not people saying "People don't relate with people the same age." Of course they do, it's your own age demographic. You have the most to relate to. They were referring to like the golden age of KZbin when they were kids, like I was when I first started watching KZbin. I watched Chuggaconroy, Tobuscus, Smosh, just to name a few, and I was like 12 years old. I don't think there were ANY child KZbinrs I would watch on the platform when I myself was a child.

[@holysecret2]

There are a couple of old streamers / youtubers that I like to watch sometimes, that feel quite relatable. At some point it stops being about age, and more about the content of someone's character. There seem to be about as many people that are and aren't around my age that seem relatable / unrelatable to me, to be honest.

[@SobBaget602]

it's almost like When i was a teen i was watching markiplier, Jacksepticeye. even thought they most definitely didn't look young or like me lmao

[@kingkarlito]

haven't seen his ability to understand completely meltdown this quickly for awhile. people tend to watch people a few years older than themselves, they are still super relatable but also someone to look up to.

[@Rägarded]

All the examples people give were in like their late teens or early 20s, you're just proving Asmons point. Tobuscus looked and behaved like a 16 year old for the duration of his relevancy and the Smosh guys looked and acted really young too in their hayday. Asmon didn't really say that kids wanna watch youtubers that are their age, but they don't want to watch mature, bearded men. When watching Smosh as a kid I remember thinking ''they are pretty much the same as me, just a few years older'' but today Smosh looks like a couple of hipsters that you would see enter a LA coffeeshop with their baby carried in their baby backpack, and I don't think I would have watched them as a kid. I can't think of any youtube personalities I followed when I was younger that were 30+ and mature in their apperance and behaviour.

[@pindy6109]

@@Rägarded I liked Chuggaconroy because at the time he was doing a Wind Waker playthrough and I was in love with the Wind Waker. He also did some Super Mario Sunshine and I also loved that game at the time but we'd sold our console so we couldn't play it anymore. I liked Tobuscus because of the Literals, especially of games that I liked. Smosh similar story, their Pokemon intro theme dub was hilarious at the time and still damn funny to me today. It's not because they were "acting like kids," (that's a major stretch) it's because they had video game content as a part of their skits that I found the most relevant and entertaining to me.

[@barrmane1141]

He should change his name to Nightmare and go on a villain arc at this point.

[@vincenth.8709]

Feels like the youtubers that rise the fastest always fall the hardest.

[@Butter_Warrior99]

Yup.

[@jyuu6650]

because you have everything to lose when you're at the top

[@Thisguy2532]

Part of the reason why I never started or tried to be a KZbinr either you never get big or you get big and then in like 5 years your working a regular job again, most KZbinrs have a short life span to get up there and still grow that’s why Mr beast and pewdiepie are the exception to the rules it’s hard to get there and still be there for over a decade and have the life with a beautiful wife and just occasionally like pewdiepie upload every once in awhile and still get millions of views

[@Kramer8]

Beluga

[@Sergeant_Tofu]

Like Vanossgaming a slow rise and he's still loved today.

[@hyruler036]

I’ve never heard of this person.

[@atlus3669]

bro how

[@justaadhdgamerwesley6244]

Stay pure

[@mantraki]

@@atlus3669 I would say not being terminally online but dream has participated in so much drama its almost impossible not knowing who he is

[@mahinkhan3708]

I wish I could say the same

[@Steamedhams578]

​@@atlus3669How old are you for example? I'm 25 and I only heard about dream on Twitter and when he got beat up by that Voice Actor.

[@Arbalest-vy5jz]

We learn from Naruto, that Mask Removal will Nerf you (Obito)

[@-Tixz-]

😂

[@captainchaosxx3866]

Or in the case of Haku. Leave your oppenent sexually confused.

[@todd8398]

That's why Kakashi wears another mask under his mask.

[@Arbalest-vy5jz]

@@captainchaosxx3866 a.k.a have a good looking, sadly this one isn't

[@code066funkinbird3]

Lol

[@monsterking7676]

kids always want to look up to and hang out with people older than them. Main reason why most of the Heroes in fiction have been in their 20-30's albeit not many older than forty, while the teen and child heroes and characters usually had a place in the roster but were often seen as annoying or weren't as popular, even though children and teenagers were the main audience. Everyone from that time talk about cheetara, liono, etc, but I don't here many people saying Wiley Kat and Wiley Kit were their favorite characters in thunder cats. Then you can say "well that's fiction that's different idiot." But same is pretty true from every hobby/interest that was popular, skateboarding, football, basketball, music, outside of the age of boy bands, the "stars" were always around 20's to 30's and the kids flocked to them. I think the main takeaway is that the age limit is "younger than my parents, but older than myself, and successful."

[@hubytuby6308]

Spider-Man, Shazam (Captain Marvel)

[@knife3730]

Agreed, boys want to look up to heroes who are masculine and assertive, and by extension brave. traits that are hard to write into an underage or elderly character.

[@Thisguy2532]

@@hubytuby6308i was gonna say spidey, high schooler when he got his powers, and Shazam billy was what a middle school kid or in highschool? But spidey was more widely popular but there is a lot of Peter in his college/adult life which are some of the best comics around his 20s I think even Peter in the PlayStation games is what mid/ late 20s and spiderverse you get the older Peter, man remembering Peter Parker had a really shitty life 😂 no wonder he’s always spidey

[@aeryellae5837]

I think most of the heroes that are written for children nowadays are actually kids themselves. YA exploded between the mid 90s and the oughts, growing over 1000% with heroes like Katniss , Harry Potter, Percy Jackson, Eragon, and Edward, Bella, and Jacob from Twilight. Even in anime, the most popular genre is shounen, which is dominated by child soldiers. :P

[@longlepro957]

they can look up to both, one is not exclusive to the other. age range is probably 0-10 years older.

[@alexschiemann2856]

Asmon is more riled up than usually today

[@Luce_Anderson]

Dreams downfall will be motivation for KZbinrs with hidden identity to never show their faces ever

[@Fadexpl]

His face reveal is irrelevant to his "downfall", he just stopped producing his most popular series of videos so people started leaving.

[@ASNS117Zero]

@@Fadexpl 100%. People would probably go back to watching him if he started Manhunt back up.

[@Green-wd8xz]

I guess everyone watching pewpiepie, jacksepticeye, markiplier were in their early to mid 20s when they started.

[@MrBiosh0ck]

Lol imagine choosing this hill to die on. 😂

[@Goston67]

Don't forget Mr. Beast, Smosh, the Paul brothers, RayWilliamJohnson, Ryan Higa, Shane Dawson, jennamarbles, and who could forget SSSSSSniperwolf

[@loth-alda]

I think you forgot 3 more Ss on Sniper wolf's name 😂​@@Goston67

[@todd8398]

@@Goston67 Said this before, but Jenna Marbles was smart to GTFO before social media audiences got f'n weird.

[@heatfragment]

lets not forget before that era Fred was a thing.

[@DJFlare84]

Honestly, I liked Dream purely because the guy is authentic when he talks. He's just a dude having a blast talking about whatever like back when he did his old Minecraft Mysteries content. And his interactions with his friends during Minecraft Manhunt make the series what it is even moreso than his insane 360 noscope 2000 IQ clutch plays. That probably lent a lot towards his popularity during Covid. He sounds like someone you can chill with and be friends with, so there was definitely a parasocial aspect to it.

[@rando2517]

"Chill and be friend with" Dream: Proceed to dunk on his friends for the most pathetic reason possible

[@Jitter4788]

Don't try to appease mentally unstable people, or suffer the consequences when they decide to turn on you.

[@wingsoficarus1139]

I swear the last minecraft youtuber to not have drama was DanTDM and that was like a decade ago 😂

[@dogecursor5190]

Dan is such a pure person

[@ariaangela3455]

Also CaptainSparklez. Bro still make big bucks he got himself a BAC Mono amongst other expensive cars

[@Pokémon-b8c]

Stampycat didn’t really have drama either

[@Patchnote2.0]

EthosLab would like to know your location.

[@syressx9098]

Techno, my king

[@brendondellinger355]

I was laughing at the relating to people your age argument at around 4 minutes in. Personally growing up on KZbin I watched people that were older than me. Rooster Teeth, Yogscast, Pewdiepie, Machnima, ect. I think it more so has to do with the content and how it relates to you but I see his point.

[@aiaoi5048]

its essentially you as say 16 y.o can relate to 16 y.o type content in general regardless how old the content creator is (e.g. pokemon cards content creator). when you past 16 y.o, usually you won't be interested in 16 y.o type content anymore

[@Jaegar19Ultima-u9d]

The thing is Asmon isn't wrong though. Kids will watch kid content of course not EVERY Child but when I was a kid I watched cartoons and shows around my age group. Teenagers would watch anime, sports and mtv. The internet broadened content but still catered to every age group. Kids watch pewdiepie because of his exaggerations how he for lack of a better term acts like a clown aka he's an entertainer and kids eat that up. Rooster Teeth and Machinima was essentially what flash was for millennial kids/teenagers. Its a two way thing, your age and how relevant the content is.

[@furen4962]

The whole argument that kids want to watch people around their age is totally wrong just based on how we all grew up. Even in the minecraft community, SkyDoesMinecraft, Deadlox, DanTDM, Yogscast, all of them were way older. Rhett and Link, Smosh, you can keep giving all these examples of content creators that were extremely older than what we were but we watched them. Tobuscus, Aviator Gaming and his gang, I can keep giving a fuck ton of examples of 20 somethings who a bunch of early to mid teens watched. And based on that argument alone, they should be relating to someone younger.

[@riccardobuso5379]

Well, asmons argument is partially true, age is not necessarily a factor but how they act definitely is. A kid isn’t going to watch complex philosophical videos, they’re going to watch people who act how they’re used to, and these people are acting as children (nothing inherently wrong with it tho)

[@danusorn8655]

The Paul brothers, Pewdiepie, heck the OG KZbinrs were ALL NOT KIDS

[@Cristofah]

@@chanter3978he’s not talking about 12 year olds he’s talking about teenagers

[@username.exenotfound2943]

stampy as well

[@asluckdespairs]

Youre equating individual quality content, to a generalization. There are many studies that support the basis of this thought. If you give the exact same script to multiple different people, people will prefer to hear it from people they relate to or idolize. Its an unconscious bias. You're describing the top content creators that "everyone" liked. If a homeless guy and a billionaire both gave you the same business advice, which would you trust more?

[@i.b2269]

Influencers are like passing trends. When they gain fame, they get their heads in the clouds, thinking they're invincible and their fame will last forever. If they don't use their moment wisely, they won't last long

[@dscvered]

when i was 13-16 i was watching JackSepticEye, Pewdiepie, Markiplier, Rooster teeth, they were all older than me by almost a decade. Asmon thinking being older means younger audiences aren’t interested in your content is just 100% wrong. It matters more about what your interests at that age are.

[@mynameisnoternesto]

I think it’s most about the targeted age. They are 10 years older than you but probably they acted and still acting like a 16 years old

[@michaelh878]

All people who acted in very immature ways.

[@dscvered]

@@michaelh878 Were they immature or did they act how adults who have fun for a living act? They were paid to make jokes and play video games. That’s not the kind of work environment you’d find at a brokerage or tax agency. I think it just goes to show that asmons nickelodeon argument flopped because a bunch of adults were able to capture the attention of a majority of different age groups while being adults themselves.

[@dscvered]

@@maxten1463 Took me like 10 seconds to write that out lil bro, and no, they weren’t. Nice try backing up your argument though, oh wait.

[@dscvered]

@@mynameisnoternesto A lot of them were married, with other adult responsibilities. I don’t think it was necessarily “acting like they were still 16” i think they just knew what entertained their audience and capitalized on it. Idk what age you think people stop goofing around and making crude jokes but i didn’t find them to be immature then and i still don’t now. I see your point though.

[@huyngo3086]

I don't think this is a bad thing for him. Minus unloyal fans he still have very large core fan audiences and that just make his community more solid.

[@deanrichards364]

Kids will mostly watch streamers that are around their own age.....hm I guess Pewdie Pie's fans didn't get the memo

[@benparker265]

I didn't agree entirely with this point either, but I think it's more about maturity not exactly what you look like, there's alot of successful Minecraft youtubers who aren't young but they are very immature, like pewdiepie for example, and this is what makes them relatable to a younger audience.

[@LittleWritingV]

When minecraft first took off, no one was using face cameras. It was until much much later on KZbinrs started putting themselves in the videos. Do you remember the musical fever for minecraft parody songs? I dont remember any 12 year olds doing that.​@benparker265

[@rawrbrz]

Pew is just still got a child’s heart. Dude has a wife and house and kid and what seems like financial restraint despite the insane amount of money

[@BussinandDiscussin]

He fell off a bit though and 90% of his fans are those 35 year old millennials now, 13 year old army is just a joke.

[@EldestZelot]

It's part of identification in social learning theory, so yes it is true. However it's not black and white, most people will seek role models and feel more comfortable with people around their age group. It's primarily neurodivergent children, adolescents and young adults that break this cycle as they have uneven levels of milestone development.

[@lambasted6886]

Can Sunny V2 end any sentence without a vowel sound?

[@Lybrel]

No-uh

[@kozinus7096]

that patch will roll out with V3

[@RobReith]

He does love to drag it out a bit huh? 😅

[@tipopmat]

Wish I never read that comment. Now it's the only thing I hear-huuuuuuh

[@edwinvoncarstein]

Ok this is legitematly so stupid. SunnyV is treating it as if Dream is somehow trying desperatly to recapture the glory days and get back to the old numbers but failing to do so yet for me it is pretty clear that the guy at this point just moved on from doing content and isnt really involved with it anymore. As Asmon mentioned last time he streamed half a year ago and within the last year he posted on youtube only 4 times. I dont know shit about Dream and I never watched his content but it seems that he grinded like crazy for a few years he managed to hit the perfect wave he made milions from that and is set for life and now he is done with it and moved on to other things in his life. I honestly feel like SunnyV is so obsessed with grinding youtube and getting the most views possible that he cant compute how anyone would ever willingly just quit grinding youtube 24/7 to maybe live their life instead or focus on other ventures. For SunnyV the only explanation why anyone might have fallen off is either because they did something bad and are a bad person or because they are a failure and just cant get the views anymore. He never considers that a dude with over 3bilions views just might not care anymore about getting views. SunnyV needs to chill the fck out. There is more to life than youtube clicks

[@nicholasmann1832]

LOL that stunlock in the beginning was funny af ngl

[@shadowedsoul]

It's kinda nice to see Asmon fly into a rage so quickly, because it's an acknowledgement of how skewed his perception of the world is, and he doesn't like it being challenged. Almost everyone around my age in high school watched Markiplier, jacksepticeye, PewDiePie, etc. All young adults to middle-aged men at the time, that were at least 5-8 years older than us. KZbin and TV programs are an entirely different medium and if Asmon can't accept that, he's the one living in a daydream.

[@pyradragon]

Yh kids dont really watch vids of other kids as far i know. They watch teens and adults. Like, isnt it a hit insult all the time that -insert- youtuber has kids as fans. Other kids ur age arent known for making content

[@Snes64]

People typically watch people older.

[@crafty4722]

I’m 15 and I hate young content creators, I watch asmongold the most, he’s my favorite streamer

[@barrmane1141]

He took off his mask and all the middle schoolers were like who tf is this creep lmao

[@Dumb_Duda]

I don’t think it’s the face reveal. It’s the hype + the long stream before the face reveal + all of his friends who saw him made it seem like he looked like a Greek god.

[@todd8398]

Trying to claim that every social interaction has a power dynamic, becomes tantamount to saying all interactions are transactional in nature, which is a horrible way to live.

[@basedmage9662]

To disagree with Asmongold here, when I was younger the people I watch on KZbin were never around my age. Especially during mid 2010s like VanossGaming, Pewdiepie, Markiplier, etc.

[@DomCoreLeon]

In 2010 those people were like 18-22 years old at most so the age difference there is even more extreme unless you were an infant (if I'm being charitable) than a 20 year old watching asmon today. You went back 15 years for the most extreme/asinine example to dispute his argument and it's still wrong lol

[@DomCoreLeon]

Also, we call that an exception, by the way. Just because one individual did one thing doesn't make the general application not true.

[@basedmage9662]

@DomCorrLeon To bring a point up, most Minecraft KZbinrs have a younger demographic as their audience. This was especially true for Dream in this case.

[@Nordsan]

Seeing all the dream stuff honestly feels like one of those old cautionary tales from the middle ages, scaring kids not to stay up too late.

[@valkyrise1148]

As a girl I can never related to gamer guys with stripper names.

[@nimero6496]

I remember playing a lot of MC when I was in highschool and a lot of the youtubers I watched (In fact most) were grown men playing the game. Age has nothing to do with why these youtubers were watched. Good content was.

[@flameloude]

For me when I was a kid I was into captain sparkles, the red baron, and other guys I'm pretty sure were in their late 20s early thirties.

[@crafty4722]

I’m 15 and I hate young content creators, I watch asmongold the most, he’s my favorite streamer

[@paulmares9815]

5:00 WRONG. Just because you feel that way, it doesn't mean that is the facts or whatever. Young people tend to look up ( maybe not to the really old, like over 50 or so ) since they want to be seen as 'grown ups' themselves. Common Asmond, this is basic societal behaviour/psychology. Like, whereever did you get that insane idea? Yeah, when they're on groups or looking for one, teens/kids do search for the same age people but that doesn't translate to the media they consume... But other than that, the advice he gives at the end is really good and something upcoming streamers/KZbinrs should keep in mind.

[@sinep8008]

He's right that it's easier for kids to relate with one another. But he's wrong that kids want to watch other kids. Kids are very simple when it comes to consuming content. If it makes them laugh, they will most likely watch it regardless if it's a 25 to 30-year-old making that content.

[@Yayeet860]

He’s absolutely correct by the way lol

[@ALookInto587]

Well it isn’t particularly wrong, though it obviously does not apply to everyone. But most kids do want to see „themselves“ in these scenarios of doing something cool. That is a fact for most kids. It is also a fact though that most kids would also want to imagine being a strong young man/ woman, but that is not them trying to „relate“, but something they then „aspire“ to be. For example,o ver here in Germany, one of the first KZbinrs any of us ever watched 12 years ago was Gronkh who was already in his fourties at the time (I think). Which many people still consider their role model. So while it of course doesn’t apply to every single person, it is the common rule for kids, as it is the case for most of them. So no, he is not really wrong here and neither are you. It‘s just that both is the case, though you may have gotten „admiration“ and „relating“ mixed up here, which is understandable.

[@michaelh878]

They watch slightly older creators who act just like kids.

[@bubblegumgun3292]

he should have done a Bane comeback "nobody cared until i put on the mask"

[@MilesBeyondThePast]

Losers attract other losers is the most based thing ever said.

[@quickpawmaud]

The point about kids watching people their age is ludicrous when the Paul brothers had super young children audiences when they were mid 20s almost 30 now. When i was a kid my favorite KZbinr was Pewdiepie who is 10 years older than me. There is a huge difference between gray hair and an adult. Like having such a hardcore stance telling people to shut the fuck up and they are delusional is the issue. Broadly I think what Asmon is saying is true but like most kids don't watch kids they watch young adults in their early 20s.

[@holysecret2]

03:43 I never stopped enjoying his Manhunt videos, he just started uploading them more and more infrequently. Maybe because of mental health, maybe because he is happy where he is and has enough money. Regardless, if I was his friend I wouldn't want him to live by the numbers, but by what makes him happy. If that means uploading 1 video every few months or every year, and he is financially sustainable in doing that, I would be all for it. As a fan I honestly feel the same way. I want people to be happy, not to be subservient to me. His content wouldn't make me happy if I knew it was motivated by his unhappiness, rather than his happiness, if that makes sense. Same thing for all other content that I like to engage with. 16 minutes in and I'm not getting the reason why we should hate him? He made a bad decision and regretted that, feeling insecure, which is totally relatable. He isn't a good singer but likes to sing regardless, that's most people who like Karaoke, also relatable. Why are we laughing about that, exactly? This is kinda making me second hand depressed, to be honest. If people have weaknesses and are feeling insecure, we should be respectful and understanding, not make fun of them and confront them with their faults every time we get the opportunity and in the most harmful and impactful way possible. SunnyV2 seems almost gleeful as he talks about the ruin of Dream's future career, why is that? I'm open to more facts later in the video about how Dream is some evil monster that we should hate and that deserves this treatment, so far I'm not convinced. Around 27 minutes Asmon is talking about the "attention seeking behavior". I'm assuming this is about the face un-reveal thing that happened. I get his logic here, why people would feel that's distasteful and inauthentic. Personally, I didn't interpret it as content-driven, but rather personally-driven. I'm not sure where but I noticed certain comments here and there talking about how Dream is ugly or fat. I didn't watch the initial face reveal because I wasnt really interested in that, but since I didn't come from a cynical but a more human place, I figured the un-reveal was motivated more by sadness and maybe disillusionment at the sort of feedback that he had gotten since that time. I don't follow any of Dream's other activity outside of KZbin, so I have no idea how accurate that is. 34:40 Okay this kind of sucks. Maybe the content has dried up because stupid internet drama like this has driven Dream and his friends apart from one another? Goes to show the importance of principles. I think going back and forth like this is going to lose you a lot of the momentum that you need to continue through times like that. If you truly didn't do anything wrong, and you truly didn't see your friend do anything wrong, you should absolutely not apologize, or turn the backs on each other.

[@Sven989]

I didn’t know KZbinrs have expiration dates.

[@LuvTonique]

I'mma be real, @SunnyV2, I don't see the point of your video. You're just... doomsaying about Dream's popularity? Why? Who cares? "He's got a year left" Okay? And? Who cares? Why do you care? Ray William Johnson vanished, WhatTheBuck vanished, even Game Grumps pretty much failed at this point. KZbin careers end eventually. Oh well? They move on, they go do something else, what's with the scary music, what's with the "It's over for him" shit? He's going into music anyway, isn't he?

[@shuazi8803]

hot take about parasocial relationships isn't a hot take - it's the correct take

[@__SHP__]

Why is everyone in this comments section going on about how messed up the George situation was while simultaneously ignoring how so many more people falsely accused Dream of shit he didn't do??

[@user-h3li05]

You mean the speed run thing😂

[@__SHP__]

@@user-h3li05 I was thinking more about how people are still actively calling him a pedo to this day

[@doremiancleff1508]

You know what could've been a 200 IQ play for "Dream" brand? While trying to regain anonymity, he should have gotten someone else to become a new Dream and slowly intergrate new content with them. Since everyone were already losing interest, he could fully remove himself from videos by the time people finaly notice change. And the "Not a real DREAM?!" would create new buzz.

[@Sakith23]

Marshmellow music artist did this now he is a icon

[@Fadexpl]

It's ridiculous, "everyone were already losing interest" because he stopped producing content everyone was interested in, that's all there is to it. His speedrunner vs hunters series brought him popularity, he thought he could pivot but people really only wanted just more of that.

[@markoerakovic9899]

Love how he says he is not sorry for GeorgeNotFound saying if George friend had the issue he would take the girls side, but Asmon actually did the same with Rich even though it was hear say.

[@JeffOf813]

When asmon was naming off a list of face reveals that went wrong, i was thinking he was going to say kiss lmao.

[@Diogo85]

Corpse Husband's face reveal didn't set well with some of his fans.

[@effingcool1780]

​@@Diogo85i don't think he did a face reveal. He even has an anxiety about people finding about his identity and recognizing his voice in public. He said he would never ever have a face reveal because of his anxiety. Some people spread photos of numerous people as his photo. Not sure which one was true. But his fans mostly worry that corpse would disappear or suddenly die. Not much about face reveal.

[@Arborbor]

The pop off at the start had me cackling ngl

[@tonypringles2285]

captainspraklez is one of the only minecraft youtubers who are older that young and old still watch. hes one of the OG

[@BigDanGaming]

Asmon really poppin off here. I laughed so hard when he went off on that freak Reddit post 😂 22:45

[@dustinhatfield8373]

I think Sunny is running out of things to talk about.

[@DR1FTSTIX]

A child might not be able to relate with an Adult but an adult can forsure relate with a kid because go figure we were all kids at one point.

[@Bluehood77]

I don't know anyone when I was 16 that watch people that look their age. I remember us watching donkey and Smosh and game grumps who were all far older. Theres alot of instances where people watched older people then them. Plus kids want to watch adults so they can feel like they're cool and adults too.

[@crafty4722]

I’m 15 and I hate young content creators, I watch asmongold the most, he’s my favorite streamer

[@HA-kt5dw]

Something to note is that all his controversies and his friend’s controversies definitely did number on him psychologically. He can’t make good content if he’s not happy about making content and subsequently repeating the cycle of controversy after controversy.

[@Plus_Escapee]

I didn't know who Dream was until I saw jokes about him on Urban Rescue Ranch. I've seen the Daft Punk performers without their masks, and this is how I see it. You CAN put the mask back on after a face reveal. You may think you can't, but you can. It's not the same as the cat being out of the bag. It's like wearing a hard hat, or a badge; get to work, wear your hat, and get the job done. I'm not saying Zack is wrong here, everything he's saying isn't just valid, it's true with regard to Dream, because Dream didn't just face reveal, he threw it in the garbage, then got it out later after it had been soiled.

[@radicalxg8282]

Minecraft golden era of streaming died with Technoblade, Dream popularity was tied to manhunt videos that already got old and his friendly rivalry with techno, MCC and DreamSMP was a thing because of him and as soon he retired because his condition and passed away it was downhill for everyone involved specially for Dream, his face reveal was just a last attempt for a career with RL stuff but he seems lost now.

[@TheSettttth]

The power dynamic rant was epic

[@Liza.Wharton]

not at all.. he mentions a power dynamic between a police officer and a civilian and fails to realize that there is physical power involved as well. it's literally a power that you can wield to control someone against their will and that creates the fear and power dynamic automatically. a physical power difference between an average man vs a woman is huge and cannot be ignored.

[@SungChiWoo]

Imagine if Minecraft actually did some revolutionary update in their game, like a new portal to different world, that would be great for new content and a new chapter for their game. But they are like "yeah, lets just put some new animals and some useless material, that would be fun!"

[@connorrice6854]

You fail to understand, we don't need Mojang for new Minecraft features.

[@zxx3762]

​@@connorrice6854 indeed

[@Gundumb781]

why bother to innovate when people will still eat whatever slop you throw at them anyway

[@tonypringles2285]

i guess that underground city doesnt count?

[@Goston67]

​@@connorrice6854doesn't microsoft own minecraft now?

[@ignizxnr3021]

Asmongold is wrong about the whole relatable 14 year old and shit because if that was the thing pewdiepie wouldnt have been so popular at all, especially during his minecraft days and he started minecraft before it even was popular, also did he forget markiplier? Is he stupid?

[@crafty4722]

I’m 15 and I hate young content creators, I watch asmongold the most, he’s my favorite streamer

[@michaelh878]

You give 2 examples of content creators who looked like and acted like teenagers for their teenage audience. Well done on proving his point.

[@Free4evr]

Mr Roger’s, Blippi , and Danny Go would like a word.

[@DWAC]

Bro is so mad lately

[@keepitclean8791]

Because his twitch subs are weetarded

[@kainemarsh9001]

True bro it seems to be getting worse, stress fuckin him up

[@StoneOcean]

I produce chash-grab music on KZbin.

[@scolamiero28]

glad he snapped on that reddit sperg

[@escthedark3709]

"Dream said this: 'I'm glad that I did it'...clearly regretting his choice to take off the mask." - SunnyV2

[@vknives]

So completely true about people and their delusional idea of "power dynamics".

[@Liza.Wharton]

in what asmon said? not really he mentions a power dynamic between a police officer and a civilian and fails to realize that there is physical power involved as well. it's literally a power that you can wield to control someone against their will and that creates the fear and power dynamic automatically. a physical power difference between an average man vs a woman is huge and cannot be ignored.

[@vknives]

​@@Liza.Wharton lol. So exactly what he said, with this stupid idea every interaction is inherently predatory because two people are never perfectly equal. Insane.

[@Liza.Wharton]

@@vknives nobody said inherently predatory. you're inferring. putting words in my mouth.

[@TactikalTemplar]

Who pissed in Asmonhold’s Wheaties? 🤣

[@Landiiii]

the "teens want to relate to other teens" is legit one of the worst takes I have ever heard. No we don't. I don't want to watch 16 year stream Minecraft. They suck at streaming. Have you also forgotten EVERY Minecraft youtuber, or even any gaming youtuber for that matter.

[@crafty4722]

I’m 15 and I hate young content creators, I watch asmongold the most, he’s my favorite streamer

[@KnightlyRogue]

20:20 I argue with my wife about this all the time. "You never think you are wrong" "If you are not giving me any evidence that I am wrong, why tf would I think that I am?" That makes no f*ckin sense! Who walks around thinking they are wrong? I am opem to BE wrong, but no, I will never walk around thinking I am just inherently wrong. 😂

[@AntonGanaev]

Man Asmon went crazy on the dude who wrote its hard to be a fan of he’s not uploading. I also want more uploads from some KZbinrs I watch, doesn’t mean I have a relationship with them. It’s like if McDonald’s only started to open once a week, an expectation was set and if you don’t live up to it, deal with the backlash (or at least tell your fans how often should they expect to wait)

[@KenLinx]

Him doing a face reveal wasn't the reason why he's fallen off. He's fallen off because his public perception is of cringe. People watched him before because he was just a regular dude having fun playing Minecraft and being good at it. Now, with his failed music career, people look at him and remember the time when he cried on stage in front of teenage girls. He could've saved his brand if he kept uploading new videos at a consistent pace--garnering favor with the KZbin algorithm, but he didn't.

[@BlueLoveYT]

6:15 THERE I AM GARY THERE I AM

[@ikikaera3402]

A content creator's audience mirrors them. Everything that's happened to Dream and his friends is completely self-inflicted.

[@Verasoul]

Asmon is dead wrong about Vtubers. Quite a few have shown their face and more and continue to be successful as long as they have an entertaining personality/character persona and remain consistent.

[@badwolf8112]

it's incredible how asmon can believe a theory he comes up with just because it's plausible.

[@27455628]

23:29 you know Asmon is projecting himself into dream when he called a age 24 man as a middle age. I wonder why he got so trigger by this.

[@stevencardwell]

In YT years...that is midage

[@thsudy]

"No one care until i put on the mask" -Project Melody

[@tidusmi2]

Asmon Calls Dream middle-aged Looks up his age He's 24 Either Asmon wasn't aware how old he is or I'm basically a senior citizen.

[@Edon613]

"I'm not gonna provide any more examples" while he literally didn't present any to begin with

[@LomanLawson]

people who need examples for what he was talking about will 1. not take those examples and 2. are dumb until they get more life experience

[@pauljmorton]

Teller is silent only in character, but when he's himself, e.g. in an interview, he does speak.

[@ivansalamon7028]

We love bald man.

[@trstmeimadctr]

Asmon's dead wrong about kids relating to content with people their own age. Best example: Justing, the Blue Turbo Power Rangers was famously hated by kids BECAUSE he was their age

[@Aloverofthefinerartz]

I CAME ALL OVER MYSCREEN ASMON PAPA THANK YOU FOR THIS NOUTISHMENT HUHUSUUSDUJHS

[@litical3719]

find god

[@DrEtzor]

What they should have done with the George controversy would've been to state what happened, what they knew / didn't know and then shut up about it instead of giving all this liability and gasoline to the crazies.

[@tetrizine]

Being able to relate to a content creator because of their age and being able to enjoy content doesn't have nearly as big of a relation as asmongold thinks it does. Rarely any of the content creators i watched as a teen were also teens themselves granted there was a much higher barrier to making content back in 2009 but 90% of the people i watched were much older than me. Now that im 27 its a mxed bag of weather I watched people in my age range.

[@gerritinglis1785]

That rant on how kids relate to kids was so over the top it hurt to listen even though I agree with you

[@pulithevar8135]

everything i have ever learnt about dream has been against my will.

[@randominternetguy3537]

He doesn't need to be popular anymore. Why would he want to be more popular? He has already made millions, and he has gained enough followers to be able to maintain a lavish lifestyle for the rest of his life. Now he just has to enjoy what he does. He conquered the obstacle of wealth. All that's left is to go on a journey of self discovery, figure out that nothing means anything, and enjoy the rest of his life.

[@J4ckski]

no one knew what dream looked like though Asmon so....

[@autman]

Yeah, so they filled in that gap and imagined him as someone their own age.

[@VoidstriderLucatiel]

"You can't put the toothpaste back in the-" No, everyone knows what Slipknot's members look like, but it's not about their faces. The mask is part of their brand. Their image. Their gimmick. It's the same for Dream. He can never go back to being faceless, but the mask is part of his image, bringing it back is essential.

[@Purple_0690]

Who's Dream?? Never heard of her.