We have passages in the New Testament that reaffirm homosexuality as a sin, while the ceremonial Mosaic law is put to rest as fulfilled. This really isn't that hard of an argument to debunk. Thanks Trent.
@darshanpatel.1782 Жыл бұрын
I've pointed that out and people think I'm making things up. Unfortunately, some people don't want to understand
@matthewvelazquez2013 Жыл бұрын
1 Corinthians 6:9 - homosexuals will not inherit the kingdom.
@Malygosblues Жыл бұрын
Very right. The beginning of Romans is pretty clear enough on what debauchery the Romans are engaging in.
@heavylobster4339 Жыл бұрын
When Jesus says that what you eat does not defile you, but the things that defile come from the heart, which includes adultery and unchastity among other things. Sodomy would've universally been understood in a Jewish context as being included in that. If Jesus wanted to revise that teaching he would've said so, but just for good measure St. Paul had to reiterate that teaching when preaching to the gentiles.
@Antonio.R.O.C. Жыл бұрын
📖The following scripture without a doubt proves that homosexuality is a sin: 🕊️“Let all who are spiritually mature agree on these things. If you disagree on some point, I believe God will make it plain to you.” Philippians 3:15 1. What did our Father say in reference to marriage❓ 🕊️“This explains why a man leaves his father and mother and is joined to his wife, and the two are united into one.” Genesis 2:24 2. Did Jesus reaffirm our Father’s view on marriage❓ 🕊️“Haven’t you read the Scriptures?” Jesus replied. “They record that from the beginning ‘God made them male and female.’” And he said, “‘This explains why a man leaves his father and mother and is joined to his wife, and the two are united into one.” Matthew 19:4-5 3. Did the Holy Spirit who spoke through the Apostles reaffirm our Father’ & Jesus’ view on marriage❓ 🕊️“As the Scriptures say, “A man leaves his father and mother and is joined to his wife, and the two are united into one.” Ephesians 5:31 4. Is Jesus’ example of love separate from an individual’s sexual immorality❓ 🕊️“Live a life filled with love, following the example of Christ. He loved us and offered himself as a sacrifice for us, a pleasing aroma to God. Let there be no sexual immorality, impurity, or greed among you. Such sins have no place among God’s people.” Ephesians 5:2-3 5. Is sex considered a sin❓ 🕊️“Run from sexual sin! No other sin so clearly affects the body as this one does. For sexual immorality is a sin against your own body.” 1 Corinthians 6:18 6. Under what condition is sex allowed❓ 🕊️“But because there is so much sexual immorality, each man should have his own wife, and each woman should have her own husband.” 1 Corinthians 7:2 Conclusion: Not only did our Father, Jesus and the Apostles clarify marriage between heterosexuals but further state that sexual immorality was only acceptable through heterosexual marriage. If sexual immorality is only acceptable between heterosexuals then by default, sex & marriage between homosexuals is not only sinful but contradicts our Father, Jesus and the Holy Spirit who spoke through the Apostles. Even though we know more now about sexual orientations, who will dare claim our Father, Jesus and the Holy Spirit who spoke through the Apostles knew less❓ 7. Are we all given the free will to accept our Father’s truth in reference to marriage❓ 🕊️“Today I have given you the choice between life and death, between blessings and curses. Now I call on heaven and earth to witness the choice you make. Oh, that you would choose life, so that you and your descendants might live!” Deuteronomy 30:19 8. Will you accept our Father’s truth in reference to marriage❓ 🕊️“Just say a simple, ‘Yes, I will,’ or ‘No, I won’t.’ Anything beyond this is from the evil one.” Matthew 5:37
@BoScotty Жыл бұрын
As a Protestant, you’ve become one of my favorite Christian channels on this site. You’re so well researched and well spoken. God Bless!
@FrJohnBrownSJ Жыл бұрын
Christians everywhere need to see that working so hard to take what is evil and call it ok is nothing but harmful to souls (and bodies and societies). It is not charity no matter how well intentioned. Christ's new covenant is what we must abide by if we hope to share in the Resurrection. Thank you, Trent Horn.
@ripbeni6198 Жыл бұрын
Amen, Father.
@Polones12 Жыл бұрын
So there are still some decent Jesuits left after all.
@Antonio.R.O.C. Жыл бұрын
📖The following scripture without a doubt proves that homosexuality is a sin: 🕊️“Let all who are spiritually mature agree on these things. If you disagree on some point, I believe God will make it plain to you.” Philippians 3:15 1. What did our Father say in reference to marriage❓ 🕊️“This explains why a man leaves his father and mother and is joined to his wife, and the two are united into one.” Genesis 2:24 2. Did Jesus reaffirm our Father’s view on marriage❓ 🕊️“Haven’t you read the Scriptures?” Jesus replied. “They record that from the beginning ‘God made them male and female.’” And he said, “‘This explains why a man leaves his father and mother and is joined to his wife, and the two are united into one.” Matthew 19:4-5 3. Did the Holy Spirit who spoke through the Apostles reaffirm our Father’ & Jesus’ view on marriage❓ 🕊️“As the Scriptures say, “A man leaves his father and mother and is joined to his wife, and the two are united into one.” Ephesians 5:31 4. Is Jesus’ example of love separate from an individual’s sexual immorality❓ 🕊️“Live a life filled with love, following the example of Christ. He loved us and offered himself as a sacrifice for us, a pleasing aroma to God. Let there be no sexual immorality, impurity, or greed among you. Such sins have no place among God’s people.” Ephesians 5:2-3 5. Is sex considered a sin❓ 🕊️“Run from sexual sin! No other sin so clearly affects the body as this one does. For sexual immorality is a sin against your own body.” 1 Corinthians 6:18 6. Under what condition is sex allowed❓ 🕊️“But because there is so much sexual immorality, each man should have his own wife, and each woman should have her own husband.” 1 Corinthians 7:2 Conclusion: Not only did our Father, Jesus and the Apostles clarify marriage between heterosexuals but further state that sexual immorality was only acceptable through heterosexual marriage. If sexual immorality is only acceptable between heterosexuals then by default, sex & marriage between homosexuals is not only sinful but contradicts our Father, Jesus and the Holy Spirit who spoke through the Apostles. Even though we know more now about sexual orientations, who will dare claim our Father, Jesus and the Holy Spirit who spoke through the Apostles knew less❓ 7. Are we all given the free will to accept our Father’s truth in reference to marriage❓ 🕊️“Today I have given you the choice between life and death, between blessings and curses. Now I call on heaven and earth to witness the choice you make. Oh, that you would choose life, so that you and your descendants might live!” Deuteronomy 30:19 8. Will you accept our Father’s truth in reference to marriage❓ 🕊️“Just say a simple, ‘Yes, I will,’ or ‘No, I won’t.’ Anything beyond this is from the evil one.” Matthew 5:37
@maxmaximus2608 Жыл бұрын
Nothing harmful with two people loving each other. Nothing to ‘call out’. Keep it to yourself 🤣
@First_Rock Жыл бұрын
@@maxmaximus2608sexual activity ≠ love
@thecatechumen Жыл бұрын
Thanks for speaking out on this important issue. So many in our culture see this as a stumbling block for conversion, because they think Christians are hypocrites for calling some sins out over others.
@wayned803 Жыл бұрын
I have a habit of blaming Protestantism for every single thing wrong with Christianity, but I think its culpability in the case of sexuality is OBVIOUS. Whoever thinks sex, as commonly understood, is a beautiful gift to be enjoyed between a married man and his wife has SORELY misunderstood Catholic teaching. If you're doing anything in the bedroom that could be considered "fun" then you probably need to go to Confession. Unless the angels and saints, the Blessed Virgin and YOUR VERY OWN MOTHER could watch what transpires in your marital bed in complete joyful approval, then YOU'RE DOING IT WRONG. Nowhere, ever, were we given marriage as an acceptable outlet for lust or pride or sloth or gluttony or greed or envy (or even wrath for the S & M weirdos). As a society, we no longer see marriage as an inferior spiritual state. I even heard one young lady ask a priest how he handles being deprived of the ability to express love! In other words, our culture has become so perverted that we equate sex with love. And because we've made an idol out of sex, we unfairly scapegoat gays and force them to shoulder the guilt of all of our disordered sexuality. My goodness, shame on us! Lust between two humans is equally disgusting, whether it's man and wife or boyfriend and boyfriend. And it's so easy to see where Protestantism followed Martin Luther's lead on this...look at their pastors, scarfing down their big lush meals, bought with their six figure salaries, and carrying on their flesh-fest to the bedroom, knocking up their baby-factory wives, and writing sermons about it (and if you think I'm being melodramatic here, Luther was not shy writing about his "private" life with Katie von Bora, former nun)
@CatholicismAppreciator Жыл бұрын
@@wayned803Chief, you wrote a very weird comment. And why are you so focused on someone's mother, people have fathers as well you know. Regardless, why would you want any of the Saints or your own Father and Mother to watch you engage in sexual intercourse with your spouse? You are being really weird.
@wayned803 Жыл бұрын
@@CatholicismAppreciator on this day of SAINT AUGUSTINE of all people, we must keep in mind what a truly depraved act sex is, unless we just want to give "poetic lip service" to Original Sin
@IRepko Жыл бұрын
This issue is our unique obsession with homosexuality. There are many sins that we wouldn’t treat people as poorly for as we do homosexuality.
@chad_hominem Жыл бұрын
@@IRepkonormalization and widespread acceptance of homosexual behaviour is simply a stepping stone to socially engineer people to accept pedophilia. The transgender and trans kids stuff is a logical consequence of making concessions on homosexuality/bisexuality. Normalized pederasty/pedophilia is a logical consequence of trans kids and children being able to "consent" to sexual relationships with adults. We have Weimar Republic problems all over again.
@markscannell865 Жыл бұрын
The arguments in favor of normalizing the LGBT lifestyle using the shellfish objection is easily refutable as Trent does here in the section "Moral vs Pedagogical Laws", yet it is frustrating that those in favor of normalization still push their errors.
@doubtingthomas9117 Жыл бұрын
Frustrating but not surprising. There have always been those who twist the Scripture to their own destruction (2 Peter 3:16).
@Antonio.R.O.C. Жыл бұрын
📖The following scripture without a doubt proves that homosexuality is a sin: 🕊️“Let all who are spiritually mature agree on these things. If you disagree on some point, I believe God will make it plain to you.” Philippians 3:15 1. What did our Father say in reference to marriage❓ 🕊️“This explains why a man leaves his father and mother and is joined to his wife, and the two are united into one.” Genesis 2:24 2. Did Jesus reaffirm our Father’s view on marriage❓ 🕊️“Haven’t you read the Scriptures?” Jesus replied. “They record that from the beginning ‘God made them male and female.’” And he said, “‘This explains why a man leaves his father and mother and is joined to his wife, and the two are united into one.” Matthew 19:4-5 3. Did the Holy Spirit who spoke through the Apostles reaffirm our Father’ & Jesus’ view on marriage❓ 🕊️“As the Scriptures say, “A man leaves his father and mother and is joined to his wife, and the two are united into one.” Ephesians 5:31 4. Is Jesus’ example of love separate from an individual’s sexual immorality❓ 🕊️“Live a life filled with love, following the example of Christ. He loved us and offered himself as a sacrifice for us, a pleasing aroma to God. Let there be no sexual immorality, impurity, or greed among you. Such sins have no place among God’s people.” Ephesians 5:2-3 5. Is sex considered a sin❓ 🕊️“Run from sexual sin! No other sin so clearly affects the body as this one does. For sexual immorality is a sin against your own body.” 1 Corinthians 6:18 6. Under what condition is sex allowed❓ 🕊️“But because there is so much sexual immorality, each man should have his own wife, and each woman should have her own husband.” 1 Corinthians 7:2 Conclusion: Not only did our Father, Jesus and the Apostles clarify marriage between heterosexuals but further state that sexual immorality was only acceptable through heterosexual marriage. If sexual immorality is only acceptable between heterosexuals then by default, sex & marriage between homosexuals is not only sinful but contradicts our Father, Jesus and the Holy Spirit who spoke through the Apostles. Even though we know more now about sexual orientations, who will dare claim our Father, Jesus and the Holy Spirit who spoke through the Apostles knew less❓ 7. Are we all given the free will to accept our Father’s truth in reference to marriage❓ 🕊️“Today I have given you the choice between life and death, between blessings and curses. Now I call on heaven and earth to witness the choice you make. Oh, that you would choose life, so that you and your descendants might live!” Deuteronomy 30:19 8. Will you accept our Father’s truth in reference to marriage❓ 🕊️“Just say a simple, ‘Yes, I will,’ or ‘No, I won’t.’ Anything beyond this is from the evil one.” Matthew 5:37
@roseg1333 Жыл бұрын
@robertstephenson6806no the USA as founded by Catholics look at your history better
@crusaderACR Жыл бұрын
@robertstephenson6806 Only what's universally immoral should be legislated against, I agree there. However, God's morals are by definition universal. A "secular" government must by necessity look Christian, or it's objectively wrong. Separation of Church and State thus must be about separation between clergy and laity. This is just how it is.
@peterwallis4288 Жыл бұрын
@robertstephenson6806 so it isn't illegal, but it's still a sin? So what's your point?
@filioque4509 Жыл бұрын
Trent, your analogy of ritual and moral to holding your hand while crossing the street and not drinking what's under the sink is brilliant! Short and simple. Thanks.
@marcuscabrera4079 Жыл бұрын
Trent - "we're going to take a measured analysis of God's moral law." Fr. Maritn - "It's good to laugh at Scripture."
@signumcrucis4172 Жыл бұрын
He didn't say that. You shouldn't slander.
@signumcrucis4172 Жыл бұрын
@@JudeMalachi it is a slanderous characterization. But of course, you are biased against him due to this channel and so you have become numb to sin.
@jonathanlaury258511 ай бұрын
@@signumcrucis4172 Lol Fr. Martin adorns his church in Pride flags and promotes homosexuality to an almost obssessive degree but you claim this other guy is "numb to sin..." That's laughable. Martin is preaching heresy and worse, getting away with it. By they way, slander is spoken, libel is written.
@marvalice34558 ай бұрын
@@signumcrucis4172he may as well have. And you know it. He knows what his reputation is, and he doesn't care. So why do you care so much?
@marvalice34558 ай бұрын
@@signumcrucis4172if you think a channel as milk toast as Trent is what makes some biased, (I love you Trent!) Well, I don't have much faith in your ability to be charitable let's just say that.
@gunsgalore7571 Жыл бұрын
For the sheer sake of convenience, I typically refute shellfish objections by pointing out obvious condemnations of homosexuality, like when Paul includes it with a list of other mortal sins like greed, theft, murder, adultery, etc. in Corinthians. That way the shellfish proponent can no longer fall on the claim that it's "just a part of the Jewish law which has been fulfilled" because here Paul is stating that it's still wrong.
@dr.alangrant8969 Жыл бұрын
Surprised Trent didn’t include it. Could’ve made this video much shorter lol
@Antonio.R.O.C. Жыл бұрын
📖The following scripture without a doubt proves that homosexuality is a sin: 🕊️“Let all who are spiritually mature agree on these things. If you disagree on some point, I believe God will make it plain to you.” Philippians 3:15 1. What did our Father say in reference to marriage❓ 🕊️“This explains why a man leaves his father and mother and is joined to his wife, and the two are united into one.” Genesis 2:24 2. Did Jesus reaffirm our Father’s view on marriage❓ 🕊️“Haven’t you read the Scriptures?” Jesus replied. “They record that from the beginning ‘God made them male and female.’” And he said, “‘This explains why a man leaves his father and mother and is joined to his wife, and the two are united into one.” Matthew 19:4-5 3. Did the Holy Spirit who spoke through the Apostles reaffirm our Father’ & Jesus’ view on marriage❓ 🕊️“As the Scriptures say, “A man leaves his father and mother and is joined to his wife, and the two are united into one.” Ephesians 5:31 4. Is Jesus’ example of love separate from an individual’s sexual immorality❓ 🕊️“Live a life filled with love, following the example of Christ. He loved us and offered himself as a sacrifice for us, a pleasing aroma to God. Let there be no sexual immorality, impurity, or greed among you. Such sins have no place among God’s people.” Ephesians 5:2-3 5. Is sex considered a sin❓ 🕊️“Run from sexual sin! No other sin so clearly affects the body as this one does. For sexual immorality is a sin against your own body.” 1 Corinthians 6:18 6. Under what condition is sex allowed❓ 🕊️“But because there is so much sexual immorality, each man should have his own wife, and each woman should have her own husband.” 1 Corinthians 7:2 Conclusion: Not only did our Father, Jesus and the Apostles clarify marriage between heterosexuals but further state that sexual immorality was only acceptable through heterosexual marriage. If sexual immorality is only acceptable between heterosexuals then by default, sex & marriage between homosexuals is not only sinful but contradicts our Father, Jesus and the Holy Spirit who spoke through the Apostles. Even though we know more now about sexual orientations, who will dare claim our Father, Jesus and the Holy Spirit who spoke through the Apostles knew less❓ 7. Are we all given the free will to accept our Father’s truth in reference to marriage❓ 🕊️“Today I have given you the choice between life and death, between blessings and curses. Now I call on heaven and earth to witness the choice you make. Oh, that you would choose life, so that you and your descendants might live!” Deuteronomy 30:19 8. Will you accept our Father’s truth in reference to marriage❓ 🕊️“Just say a simple, ‘Yes, I will,’ or ‘No, I won’t.’ Anything beyond this is from the evil one.” Matthew 5:37
@signumcrucis4172 Жыл бұрын
@@Antonio.R.O.C. is homosexuality the same thing as sodomy? Are you saying only heterosexuals can be in the Church?
@crusaderACR Жыл бұрын
@@signumcrucis4172If you are celibate you aren't homosexual. Maybe I'm just being pedantic, but in Catholicism it's not possible to identify with a sin. E.g: If I like to eat it's fine, I won't be a glutton until I actually go and overeat. Similarly, I can't be an alcoholic if I never drank alcohol, even if my genes would somehow guarantee I would be if I drank. If we were our inclinations then we're doomed. I'd be a murderer, fornicator, verbal abuser, glutton, etc. just because of having an intrusive thought for these at least once. But all praise to God, who didn't make it so. Edit: Example failed. I was an actual fornicator before my conversion. God have mercy. But let's use my misshap for expanding this. I said I "was" a fornicator, meaning I left it behind. A homosexual/sodomite could likewise stop being homosexual. On another note, please pray for me.
@AlexzVaryag Жыл бұрын
@@signumcrucis4172the homosexual act along with other kinds of sexual immorality is included in the term ‘sodomy’, yes.
@alexd4066 Жыл бұрын
Best Catholic channel! Hope we get to 100k!! Subscribed for 3 years now! Always learning more
@eileen8787 Жыл бұрын
Genuine question, how has Father Martin been able to continue being a priest when he actively teaches and preaches AGAINST the Catechism?
@TheCounselofTrent Жыл бұрын
That’s a question for his superiors. Anything from us would be mere speculation. -Kyle
@femaleKCRoyalsFan Жыл бұрын
Possible because he is a fellow jesuit & buddy of Francis?
@carolynkimberly4021 Жыл бұрын
@@femaleKCRoyalsFanExactly. Francis teaches that sodomy is fine with him by appointing sodomy condoning Bishops and having homosexual sex as moral a part of his "Synodal" way.
@carolynkimberly4021 Жыл бұрын
@@TheCounselofTrentMartin's "superiors" are Jesuits. They agree with him. The Bishop in Martin's diocese should laicize him. But no. Only faithful orthodox priests are cancelled in today's ape of the Church.
@bman5257 Жыл бұрын
@@carolynkimberly4021That’s false slander against Pope Francis. He has multiple times taught that it is sin. Go to confession for calumny.
@Justas399 Жыл бұрын
Jesus certainly did speak against homosexuality in Matt 5:32, 19:9 and Mark 7:21 where He uses the word "unchastity", "immorality" and “fornications” which includes adultery, incest, premarital infidelity, homosexuality, bestiality and any other sexual conduct condemned in the OT.
@Antonio.R.O.C. Жыл бұрын
📖The following scripture without a doubt proves that homosexuality is a sin: 🕊️“Let all who are spiritually mature agree on these things. If you disagree on some point, I believe God will make it plain to you.” Philippians 3:15 1. What did our Father say in reference to marriage❓ 🕊️“This explains why a man leaves his father and mother and is joined to his wife, and the two are united into one.” Genesis 2:24 2. Did Jesus reaffirm our Father’s view on marriage❓ 🕊️“Haven’t you read the Scriptures?” Jesus replied. “They record that from the beginning ‘God made them male and female.’” And he said, “‘This explains why a man leaves his father and mother and is joined to his wife, and the two are united into one.” Matthew 19:4-5 3. Did the Holy Spirit who spoke through the Apostles reaffirm our Father’ & Jesus’ view on marriage❓ 🕊️“As the Scriptures say, “A man leaves his father and mother and is joined to his wife, and the two are united into one.” Ephesians 5:31 4. Is Jesus’ example of love separate from an individual’s sexual immorality❓ 🕊️“Live a life filled with love, following the example of Christ. He loved us and offered himself as a sacrifice for us, a pleasing aroma to God. Let there be no sexual immorality, impurity, or greed among you. Such sins have no place among God’s people.” Ephesians 5:2-3 5. Is sex considered a sin❓ 🕊️“Run from sexual sin! No other sin so clearly affects the body as this one does. For sexual immorality is a sin against your own body.” 1 Corinthians 6:18 6. Under what condition is sex allowed❓ 🕊️“But because there is so much sexual immorality, each man should have his own wife, and each woman should have her own husband.” 1 Corinthians 7:2 Conclusion: Not only did our Father, Jesus and the Apostles clarify marriage between heterosexuals but further state that sexual immorality was only acceptable through heterosexual marriage. If sexual immorality is only acceptable between heterosexuals then by default, sex & marriage between homosexuals is not only sinful but contradicts our Father, Jesus and the Holy Spirit who spoke through the Apostles. Even though we know more now about sexual orientations, who will dare claim our Father, Jesus and the Holy Spirit who spoke through the Apostles knew less❓ 7. Are we all given the free will to accept our Father’s truth in reference to marriage❓ 🕊️“Today I have given you the choice between life and death, between blessings and curses. Now I call on heaven and earth to witness the choice you make. Oh, that you would choose life, so that you and your descendants might live!” Deuteronomy 30:19 8. Will you accept our Father’s truth in reference to marriage❓ 🕊️“Just say a simple, ‘Yes, I will,’ or ‘No, I won’t.’ Anything beyond this is from the evil one.” Matthew 5:37
@signumcrucis4172 Жыл бұрын
Careful though, is homosexuality synonymous with sodomy? If so, can only heterosexuals be in the Church?
@EmberBright2077 Жыл бұрын
Does it?
@Ekim1740 Жыл бұрын
Jesus did spoke on the Old testament when he destroyed Sodom and Gomora.
@EmberBright2077 Жыл бұрын
@@Ekim1740 I don't think there's anywhere in the Bible that says Sodom and Gomorrah's sin was homosexuality.
@raymk Жыл бұрын
I'd like to ask Fr. Martin if bestiality is morally okay or not since he dismissed the verse about homosexuality, perhaps he will one day dismiss the next verses.
@legagrestis Жыл бұрын
I am being told that I should like and comment in order to spread the video- I'm doing my part ✝
@thecatechumen Жыл бұрын
Amen
@halleylujah247 Жыл бұрын
🐀
@oldfashioned9461 Жыл бұрын
Thank you Trent. I remember Fr. Mike Schmitz mentioning the distinctions in the laws in the Old Testament while doing Bible in a Year. Appreciate the clarity of God's plan unfolding over time due to our sinfulness, that understanding makes sense. Unfortunately, Fr. James Martin seems to have a predetermined meaning of scripture in mind and doesn't want to be open to the true meaning in context of the whole story of salvation history.
@ElDorado226 Жыл бұрын
I recall that same discussion from Bible in a Year and it was indeed helpful! That podcast was terrific in it's ability to comment on tough scripture passages shortly after they were read.
@Antonio.R.O.C. Жыл бұрын
📖The following scripture without a doubt proves that homosexuality is a sin: 🕊️“Let all who are spiritually mature agree on these things. If you disagree on some point, I believe God will make it plain to you.” Philippians 3:15 1. What did our Father say in reference to marriage❓ 🕊️“This explains why a man leaves his father and mother and is joined to his wife, and the two are united into one.” Genesis 2:24 2. Did Jesus reaffirm our Father’s view on marriage❓ 🕊️“Haven’t you read the Scriptures?” Jesus replied. “They record that from the beginning ‘God made them male and female.’” And he said, “‘This explains why a man leaves his father and mother and is joined to his wife, and the two are united into one.” Matthew 19:4-5 3. Did the Holy Spirit who spoke through the Apostles reaffirm our Father’ & Jesus’ view on marriage❓ 🕊️“As the Scriptures say, “A man leaves his father and mother and is joined to his wife, and the two are united into one.” Ephesians 5:31 4. Is Jesus’ example of love separate from an individual’s sexual immorality❓ 🕊️“Live a life filled with love, following the example of Christ. He loved us and offered himself as a sacrifice for us, a pleasing aroma to God. Let there be no sexual immorality, impurity, or greed among you. Such sins have no place among God’s people.” Ephesians 5:2-3 5. Is sex considered a sin❓ 🕊️“Run from sexual sin! No other sin so clearly affects the body as this one does. For sexual immorality is a sin against your own body.” 1 Corinthians 6:18 6. Under what condition is sex allowed❓ 🕊️“But because there is so much sexual immorality, each man should have his own wife, and each woman should have her own husband.” 1 Corinthians 7:2 Conclusion: Not only did our Father, Jesus and the Apostles clarify marriage between heterosexuals but further state that sexual immorality was only acceptable through heterosexual marriage. If sexual immorality is only acceptable between heterosexuals then by default, sex & marriage between homosexuals is not only sinful but contradicts our Father, Jesus and the Holy Spirit who spoke through the Apostles. Even though we know more now about sexual orientations, who will dare claim our Father, Jesus and the Holy Spirit who spoke through the Apostles knew less❓ 7. Are we all given the free will to accept our Father’s truth in reference to marriage❓ 🕊️“Today I have given you the choice between life and death, between blessings and curses. Now I call on heaven and earth to witness the choice you make. Oh, that you would choose life, so that you and your descendants might live!” Deuteronomy 30:19 8. Will you accept our Father’s truth in reference to marriage❓ 🕊️“Just say a simple, ‘Yes, I will,’ or ‘No, I won’t.’ Anything beyond this is from the evil one.” Matthew 5:37
@texasballistics Жыл бұрын
Trent you need to keep making videos like this, pointing out the errors of these evil priests. I know you don’t like to do that kind of stuff but in a time like today we need clarity from reliable sources.
@djo-dji6018 Жыл бұрын
Something Pope Francis has repeated (and was misunderstood and attacked for by some dishonest so-called traditionalists) is 'lead by example, talk only when necessary.' That's fundamental, because it's hard to believe us Catholics if we preach against sin but show just as sinful as anyone else in our daily life.
@kwazooplayingguardsman5615 Жыл бұрын
And then the holy father says that civil unions for gays ought to exist.
@masterchief8179 Жыл бұрын
@@kwazooplayingguardsman5615 That’s just slander. The Holy Father said on an interview it is understandable, as far as legal protection goes, that civil normative guidelines deal with them. Yet the same Holy Father says in all MAGISTERIAL documents, even the ones those mentally disturbed “RadTrads” on Anglophone Internet hate the most - like _Amoris Laetitia,_ for example - they don’t have an intrinsic moral value whatsoever (‘au contrarie’, they are NEVER to be even compared to God’s designed sacrament of holy matrimony). Pope Francis own Apostolic Exortation “Amoris Laetitia” (2016): _”250. The Church makes her own the attitude of the Lord Jesus, who offers his bound- less love to each person without exception [275]. During the Synod, _*_we discussed the situation of families whose members include persons who experience same-sex attraction, a situation not easy either for parents or for children. We would like before all else to reaffirm that every person, regardless of sexual orientation, ought to be respected in his or her dignity and treated with consideration, while ‘every sign of unjust discrimination’ is to be carefully avoided_*_ [276], particularly any form of aggression and violence. _*_Such families should be given respectful pastoral guidance, so that those who manifest a homosexual orientation can receive the assistance they need to understand and fully carry out God’s will_*_ in their lives [277]”_ . _”251. In discussing the dignity and mission of the family, the Synod Fathers _*_observed that, “as for proposals to place unions between homosexual persons on the same level as marriage, there are ABSOLUTELY NO GROUNDS for considering H*O*M*O*S*E*X*U*A*L_*_ UNIONS to be in _*_ANY WAY similar or EVEN REMOTELY ANALOGOUS to God’s plan for marriage and family”. It is UNACCEPTABLE “that local Churches should be subjected to pressure in this matter and that international bodies should make financial aid to poor countries dependent on the introduction of laws to establish ‘marriage’ between persons of the same sex”_* [278]”. _______ [275] Cf. Bull Misericordiae Vultus, 12: AAS 107 (2015), 407. [276] Catechism of the Catholic Church, 2358; cf. Relatio Finalis 2015, 76. [277] Ibid. 190 [278] Relatio Finalis 2015, 76; cf. conGreGaTion for The doctrine of the faith, Considerations Regarding Proposals to Give Legal Recognition to Unions between H*om*o*s*ex*u*al Persons (3 June 2003), 4. “And you will know truth, and truth will set you free” (John 8, 32). From a truly conservative and truly traditionalist Brazilian 🇧🇷 friend. God bless!
@djo-dji6018 Жыл бұрын
@@kwazooplayingguardsman5615 What are civil unions? Are they equal to the Holy Sacrament of Marriage? And again, instead of acknowledging a good thing he said you attack by mentioning a possible mistake he's done. Stop being tribal, Catholics must be prudent (rational and unbiased) in their judgments.
@johnisaacfelipe6357 Жыл бұрын
Civil unions are just an abominable simulacra of marriage, it is still a perversion of the correct and ordered union, do we think rape is the same as sex?
@femaleKCRoyalsFan Жыл бұрын
@@djo-dji6018 They still give approval to sodomy.
@lukeknott2779 Жыл бұрын
Excellent video. Counsel of Trent is definitely one of my favorite elements of Monday mornings lol
@NoahBradon Жыл бұрын
The moral v. pedagogical distinction is a helpful framework.
@meghankahn70257 ай бұрын
I wish there was a "love" button for situations like these, where the video deserves more than a "like." This explained things so well and in a way I can understand. Thank you so much!
@jamesalewis Жыл бұрын
Having moral objections to an act is tantamount to hating people nowadays, apparently 🤷 pretty ridiculous
@djo-dji6018 Жыл бұрын
Nothing new under the sun, it's all about power. I decide that your beliefs are hateful and dangerous, and that allows me to censor you. Have you read A Critique of Pure Tolerance by Herbert Marcuse published in 1965? That's the definitive leftist manifesto for censorship.
@TDL-xg5nn Жыл бұрын
The accusation of hate is just an ad hominem since they can't refute actual arguments against their position. They have to attack their character instead.
@roseg1333 Жыл бұрын
It the justifying coming to church in their twisted sexuality and staying in their sin instead of repenting as God said. You change for God God doesn’t change for you.
@BestBuddyNoivern Жыл бұрын
Remember that we don't hate them; we want them to come to Christ and be cleansed of their sin! We want them to become good husbands to women/wives to men and good fathers/mothers to their own children- this is love!
@maxmaximus2608 Жыл бұрын
It is not only ‘some moral objections’. The underlying objective is to deny minorities basic human rights which is wrapped into some twisted notion of Christian ‘love’. I also fail to understand what is actual immoral as I consider the sexual act between consenting adults as amoral. I don’t see any ‘moral’ dimension here.
@covonedigrano7491 Жыл бұрын
Matthew 19:4-6 clearly states the view that Jesus has on marriage. Marriage is unequivocally outlined as a sacred union between a man and a woman as by God’s design. Jesus also tells us after a few verses that if we don’t marry then we should be like eunuchs, that is not have sexual relationships. Therefore, if same-sex marriage cannot happen and we shall not have sexual relationships outside of marriage, I don’t see how some people seem to think that Jesus thought is was ok to have homosexual relationships instead. That being said Jesus also saved an adulterous woman from execution, claiming that no one is without sin. While it is unambiguous that homosexuality is a sin for Christianity, we are also taught to love one another and even to love our enemies as ourselves. We shouldn’t be hostile towards other sinners as we ourselves aren’t perfect.
@covonedigrano7491 Жыл бұрын
That being said I don’t think homosexuality is the be-all end-all of sins. People who overly fixate on homosexuality as something sinful in my experience do so in bad faith. It’s good to stand on solid ground against the cultural shift that is happening to avoid blurring the lines between good and evil, but we also must be careful not to be overly reactionary and end up mistreating other people as a result. We shouldn’t judge each other for sinning but help each other to get out of sin with tact and empathy.
@femaleKCRoyalsFan Жыл бұрын
@@covonedigrano7491 Sins that cry out to heaven for vengeance include sodomy
@covonedigrano7491 Жыл бұрын
@@femaleKCRoyalsFan ok but what does Jesus teach us with most of his parables regarding sin? Look at the prodigal son or the lost sheep or the workers in the vineyard. Instead of casting judgment on other people which we should never do, we should *help* other people be reconciled with God and be glad if they do. I see a lot of people instead cast judgment on others and use that as an excuse to congratulate (even implicitly) themselves. If I say "gay people are terrible sinners" implicitly by not being gay in my mind I'm not a sinner anymore, or my sins can be excused because there are "worse" sins out there. That's not the point of Christianity, we are *all* children of God and if we see a brother or sister fall into sin we should help them, not judge them. And we shouldn't congratulate ourselves for our "righteousness" while judging those who we deem unrighteous, see Luke 18:10-14 the man justified before God isn't the one congratulating and exhalting himself for his good deeds but the one who humbles himself.
@tylere.843611 ай бұрын
@@covonedigrano7491I agree, as sinners ourselves, we must seek forgiveness and pray for others to seek Jesus. Love in the bare sense is to care for another without force. We have to inform them the sins of homosexuality or really anything LGBT+ and pray they seek the light, the ball would be on their court to accept God's Love (Caritas Dei) or not. The sad reality is many don't even want to hear religious beliefs, so they must be informed in other ways, like science or they must ask themselves why things are made in the way they are.
@galaxyofreesesking2124 Жыл бұрын
If I had a fraction of a penny for every time a skeptic confused mosaic laws with moral laws, I'd buy them lessons in studying scripture correctly.
@SergeantSkeptic686 Жыл бұрын
Just to be clear the Mosaic Law represents the ceremonies and unjust laws of savage men, who's ideas were in conflict with known facts. Not a word of it comes from God.
@brandeezy83 Жыл бұрын
As someone who does struggle with homosexual attractions, this is a bit helpful
@michaelscofield1970 Жыл бұрын
Stand fast in prayer and knowing that God would never give you any trouble he didn't think you could bare.
@jackrussell3084 Жыл бұрын
Hope you prevail over your temptation. I will pray for you brother.
@krystleconley6109 Жыл бұрын
Keep Fighting Friend don't Give up The Lord will give You Strength keep up the Faith 🙏
@Antonio.R.O.C. Жыл бұрын
📖The following scripture without a doubt proves that homosexuality is a sin: 🕊️“Let all who are spiritually mature agree on these things. If you disagree on some point, I believe God will make it plain to you.” Philippians 3:15 1. What did our Father say in reference to marriage❓ 🕊️“This explains why a man leaves his father and mother and is joined to his wife, and the two are united into one.” Genesis 2:24 2. Did Jesus reaffirm our Father’s view on marriage❓ 🕊️“Haven’t you read the Scriptures?” Jesus replied. “They record that from the beginning ‘God made them male and female.’” And he said, “‘This explains why a man leaves his father and mother and is joined to his wife, and the two are united into one.” Matthew 19:4-5 3. Did the Holy Spirit who spoke through the Apostles reaffirm our Father’ & Jesus’ view on marriage❓ 🕊️“As the Scriptures say, “A man leaves his father and mother and is joined to his wife, and the two are united into one.” Ephesians 5:31 4. Is Jesus’ example of love separate from an individual’s sexual immorality❓ 🕊️“Live a life filled with love, following the example of Christ. He loved us and offered himself as a sacrifice for us, a pleasing aroma to God. Let there be no sexual immorality, impurity, or greed among you. Such sins have no place among God’s people.” Ephesians 5:2-3 5. Is sex considered a sin❓ 🕊️“Run from sexual sin! No other sin so clearly affects the body as this one does. For sexual immorality is a sin against your own body.” 1 Corinthians 6:18 6. Under what condition is sex allowed❓ 🕊️“But because there is so much sexual immorality, each man should have his own wife, and each woman should have her own husband.” 1 Corinthians 7:2 Conclusion: Not only did our Father, Jesus and the Apostles clarify marriage between heterosexuals but further state that sexual immorality was only acceptable through heterosexual marriage. If sexual immorality is only acceptable between heterosexuals then by default, sex & marriage between homosexuals is not only sinful but contradicts our Father, Jesus and the Holy Spirit who spoke through the Apostles. Even though we know more now about sexual orientations, who will dare claim our Father, Jesus and the Holy Spirit who spoke through the Apostles knew less❓ 7. Are we all given the free will to accept our Father’s truth in reference to marriage❓ 🕊️“Today I have given you the choice between life and death, between blessings and curses. Now I call on heaven and earth to witness the choice you make. Oh, that you would choose life, so that you and your descendants might live!” Deuteronomy 30:19 8. Will you accept our Father’s truth in reference to marriage❓ 🕊️“Just say a simple, ‘Yes, I will,’ or ‘No, I won’t.’ Anything beyond this is from the evil one.” Matthew 5:37
@dreamdrgn6803 Жыл бұрын
Youll be ok, I struggle with something similar as well
@jrozi3872 Жыл бұрын
THANK you for doing this specific video. This topic of moral law vs other laws from OT were a huge fuzzy area for me and I've listened to Catholic radio for over a decade and have never heard such a great explanation before. Please talk more on moral vs pedagogical law!
@SergeantSkeptic686 Жыл бұрын
If you have any interest in listening to someone with a different viewpoint, I'd suggest the KZbin video _The Bible's Absurd Passages about Periods._
@Patrick-tn7pb Жыл бұрын
I wish Father Martin would debate. Trent. I also wish that Father Martin would leave the Catholic Church instead of continuing to attempt to defile it and to bring it into ruin.
@GremlinsAndGnomes3 ай бұрын
We should wish no person out of Christ's church. We should wish each person to live in truth and love in Christ.
@Patrick-tn7pb2 ай бұрын
I do not wish him to be out of the church. But if he doesn't agree with the precepts of the church, why does he call himself a member? If he doesn't agree with them, then leave the church, go to another one and create your own. Why is that hard to understand?
@nchinth Жыл бұрын
the only thing that matters is that Catholics are called to "take up your cross." "father" james martin wants homosexuals to deny their [admittedly heavy] cross and indulge.
@illyrian9976 Жыл бұрын
Even if Levitikus falls completly under the old covenant and is irrelevant for Christians, 1 Corinthians 6:9 also condems homosexuality and calls it unrighteous.
@gabrielrousseau_NM Жыл бұрын
Excellent explanations. I have always felt there was something wrong with shell fish without having read Leviticus.
@ethanwork764 Жыл бұрын
Notice how everyone knows Fr. Martin by his support of LGBT, and not by his love and devotion to Christ as is his duty as a priest. Interesting how the Christians who push for sin are always so invested in it that it seemingly takes priority over God
@charmanderlover6433 Жыл бұрын
Those are very good rules to have for your children! Thanks for addressing objections like this, Trent. It's very much appreciated!!
@schmoedanz7809 Жыл бұрын
Great job Trent. God bless you
@BigTrollingMan11 ай бұрын
As an traditionalist Episcopalian, thanks for making this video, and giving more information of apologetics for the case against homosexuality. God bless!
@BigTrollingMan10 ай бұрын
@@HisCoconutGun oh let me tell you all about the Episcopal Fellowship for Renewal and Operation Reconquista
@jonatasmachado7217 Жыл бұрын
I think that many provisions of the law of Moses on food were intended to avoid a sanitary crisis in a people who moved in the desert without soap, refrigerators or basic sanitation. Rules on hygiene and food safety were essential, including those prohibiting pork or shrimp. The latter are living beings that feed on the detritus of other animals, and can be easily contaminated with bacteria and cause food poisoning, diarrhea, dehydration or even death.
@SergeantSkeptic686 Жыл бұрын
Then why did Jesus become angry at the Pharisee for asking him to wash his hands prior to eating?
@bradleyperry17358 ай бұрын
That’s an incredibly materialist view of Christianity.
@sonnenberg3895 Жыл бұрын
Well done, Trent. Thank you ❤
@MycroftBHolmes Жыл бұрын
Thanks for this - so needed right now.
@roseg1333 Жыл бұрын
This is very relevant for me as a same sex persons came back to our church this Sunday after they were asked to leave as they were kissing and holding hands in the pews of our traditional church and then tried to receive communion now they are back and wanted to speak to another priest (different than kicked them out) and our liberal bishop that was there 😓 we will see next week if they are there again and making out in church. I will say something to them. Because if you take the communion you’ve damed yourself to the fire and God did say we should tell them of their sin kindly and if they don’t listen we should take it to the church. I don’t see how people can’t or won’t see that homosexuality is a sin it explicitly states that in the Bible and even if they had not read the passages that state that. If God had meant for them to be together then their parts would fit 😅 just saying lol and yes an adulterer is a sinner sin doesn’t justify sin 🤦♀️ that doesn’t make you any less of a sinner. You change for God doesn’t change for you. 🕊️🙏🏼✝️💕
@ExtraVictory11 ай бұрын
Im agnostic but by this logic, doesn't that mean you should be advocating for the death penalty for same sex couples? At least ones in sexual relationships? I mean if you're going to take that view of the bible, that it's forever confirming these moral failings, then surely the punishment should also be eternally mandated? Therefore, you need to advocate for the death penalty?
@DragonKing1018 ай бұрын
No, it doesn't mean that Christians should be advocating the death penalty; or at least, it depends on which framework you're using. One such framework that gets around that is the belief that Christians themselves aren't taught to enforce Judicial laws. Christians, in general, are citizens, thus, they've no say in legal matters. As citizens, what's the Biblical framework for treating other people? Loving and praying for them, even enemies. You can't do that while simultaneously trying to chant their deaths. Thus, in this framework, Christians aren't supposed to be advocating for the death penalty. Another framework that doesn't imply they should be advocating for it (If they live in some general country) is the belief that the death penalty in the OT law *only* applies to ancient Israel, as to get to the death penalty, it has to be under accordance with their legal system, i.e. judges and elders and the overall procedure with them. This video explains this framework pretty well: The Sabbath and the Death Penalty by David Wilber. Both frameworks are entirely consistent with what Trent is saying in this video. (You may not find those frameworks to be sound, which is fair, but all that's needed is having a logically valid framework that one can use that doesn't have that implication).
@ExtraVictory7 ай бұрын
@@DragonKing101 okay let's use a new testament example then, and one which isn't legal, but interpersonal. jesus says "What god has joined, let no man seperate" which is very clear. divorce is forbidden. Christians divorce at essentially the same rate as Nonchriatians. Neither of your frameworks resolve this, its just flat out disobedience against Christ. jesus also says "If you love me, follow my commands" so seperating from your wife or husband, regardless of cause, basically makes you non christian as you have disobeyed him, which means you dont love him by his own words Either way, you certainly don't see Christians marching in the streets against Divorce. And even if we ignore legal divorce. Each christian in their own lives, countless of them still divorce and seperate. Which isnt a legal issue but an interpersonal choice they make themselves
@DragonKing1016 ай бұрын
@@ExtraVictory Sorry for not seeing this sooner. "jesus says "What god has joined, let no man seperate" which is very clear. divorce is forbidden. Christians divorce at essentially the same rate as Nonchriatians. Neither of your frameworks resolve this, its just flat out disobedience against Christ." Yes, neither of my frameworks resolves such an issue. That is because my framework doesn't attempt to answer it. My framework only is answering that you can work in certain models that do not imply Christians should be advocating for the death penalty on these people on Theological grounds, even *if* said Christians believe this law in the Law of Moses still applies to Christians. To summarize: My point is that there *are* frameworks you can work with that involve someone appealing to the law in certain places on what people aren't to do, even if said Christians don't believe they can legally enforce such a rule, but it doesn't follow from that that they should also be advocating for the punishment as well. Of course, these frameworks may be handwavy to you on someone saying that all the statements in each respective one are indeed true, which again, I think is fair. I'm just saying there are some valid (?) frameworks that some Christians work with that get around the implication. As for the rest, yeah, I agree that it is problematic behavior when a lot of these Christians do things while at the same time telling others not to do those same things.
@jhoughjr1 Жыл бұрын
I’m a layman and can get this solved before the ad. Shellfish are food not an act and Jesus kinda nullifies food defiling one if I recall
@irene_irenaeus_ihs Жыл бұрын
Thanks Trent. Keep the good fight and God bless you!
@henrykevincueto9307 Жыл бұрын
Sure why not I’ll subscribe
@blitzzkrieg1400 Жыл бұрын
Hello, Trent! Can you make a rebuttal video on John Corvino's arguments on homosexuality and the Bible? Thanks a lot in advance.
@D.W.C935 Жыл бұрын
Yeah Agreed He seems to think the Verses are taken out of Context but We all know it ain't Friend peace 🙏👋
@vacantmemes Жыл бұрын
Been subbed since 20k!
@stephenpohl Жыл бұрын
The "shellfish objection" brings to mind the "snails and oysters" scene in the 1960 movie Spartacus, where the the Crassus character played by Lawrence Olivier trying to seduce Antonio, the character played by Tony Curtis. So that line of attack is not as new as some might think.
@kingofthorns203 Жыл бұрын
Ecclesiastes 1:10 (lol but not really)
@GregJamesMusic Жыл бұрын
Crassus is using a pretty crude (by 1960’s standards) sexual innuendo. Trent’s use of the term “shellfish objection” is a reference to the ancient Jewish dietary law. Not really the same thing.
@countrysunshinegal3038 Жыл бұрын
Eating shellfish isnt mentioned in the ten commandments, however nor commiting adultery is. This is why they want to redefine marriage, they think if theyre married, theyre not committing adultery, but marriage IS ONLY between a man and a woman. Jesus also told the people not to give mind to what someone eats, for if you aren't eating it as a way of salvation, it is simply a choice in food and not means to get closer to God.
@Andrew-wo8ry Жыл бұрын
Excited to see 100k!
@PeterApologetics Жыл бұрын
I am a subscribed member!
@armaetaurum Жыл бұрын
@The Council of Trent - How would you respond to someone who tries to use this same line of thought to claim that all moneylending at interest is usury - and that you claiming that contexts have changed etc. to justify lending money at interest is simply your own version of the "Shellfish Objection"? (To be transparent I don't hold that interest lending is wrong - I could just see this being a line of attack that someone could use and would love to hear your response.) Thanks for all you do!
@josephdalelio6684 Жыл бұрын
I think that we should realize that the Torah or Old Testament does not make the distinction between moral, civil and ceremonial laws, This is a distinction made by Christian interpreters since late patristic times. I once asked a rabbi about this and his answer was all of the Torah is equally binding. By the way the Jews also believe that only Jews and not Gentiles are bound by the laws of the Pentateuch. Gentiles are to follow the 7 Laws of Noah. As for the Mosaic Law I think a statement by the biblical scholar Theophile Meek is pertinent: The Hebrew Torah is not one consistent whole, the creation of a single legislator, Moses, or anyone else. Law comes into existence slowly to meet the changing needs of the times and this is evident in the Torah. Scholars recognize several codes , such as the Deuteronomic, the Holiness and the Priestly codes. The usage of stoning people to death would be regarded by most people as barbaric, outdated and unjust. All you have to do is look at the hideous cruelty involved is to watch these punishments meted out by Al Qaeda, the Taliban and Isis. Are we to advocate the punishments of Deuteronomy 13 for unbelief, Leviticus 25 for slavery, the death penalty for witchcraft, necromancy, sabbath violation, juvenile delinquency, adultery, idolatry, homosexuality? To ask the question is to answer the question these are laws of an ancient, semi-nomadic tribe and are inapplicable to any modern democracy. Another thing to note all of us treasure our natural and human rights to life, liberty, and property and the concept of rights was unknown to the biblical writers. They only recognized rules to be followed. Christian moral ideas may transcend sociological and scientific fact, but they are not independent of such data, and moral ideas may well have to be modified to bring them into relation with new discoveries. The development of the social sciences on mainly secular lines does not invalidate their usefulness for the Christian ethicist and theologian. When the Christian attitude to homosexuality was formed no accurate information was availableas to its extent and virtually nothing was known of its causes.
@josephdalelio6684 Жыл бұрын
Also a quotation from Sigmund Freud in his letter to an American mother in 1935 is pertinent: Homosexuality is assuredly no advantage, but it is nothing to be ashamed of, no vice, no degredation. It cannot be classified as a mental illness; we consider it to be a variation of the sexual impulse, produced by a certain arrest of sexual development. . . It is a great injustice to persecute homosexuality as a crime and cruelty too. A view is often advanced that homosexuality is depavity.This is used as a vehicle of abuse but has little scientific meaning. It has been suggested that the ancient Romans became degenerate and lost world dominance through perverted sex or alternatively that homosexuality was a symptom of their degeneration but it is now believed that Rome's decline was due to political, economic and public health causes.
@bradleyperry17358 ай бұрын
Usury is actually forbidden in historic Christianity. The Church has let that slide for entirely too long.
@marianlindsay17378 күн бұрын
Thank you Trent a very clear explanation
@paulmualdeave5063 Жыл бұрын
It's sad that people will ignore the New Testament when they try to say sin is OK.
@josephdalelio6684 Жыл бұрын
Most people in today's society would say that sin is merely the theological interpretations of certain ancient tribal taboos,
@paulmualdeave5063 Жыл бұрын
@@josephdalelio6684 One of the Bible’s main themes in both Testaments is to not make world beliefs our own.
@josephdalelio6684 Жыл бұрын
tHEN WOULD YOU REJECT THE BELIEF THAT THE BRAIN IS THE ORGAN OF THOUGHT RATHER THAN THE HEART
@paulmualdeave5063 Жыл бұрын
@@josephdalelio6684 That's deep. The first word should be capitalized and then the rest are lowercase. Your limb and its manipulators failed you for the first time, for the last time. Something deeper is this: Is "belief", faith, from the heart or the brain? Now that question is more relevant to the discussion. What were we talking about again?
@josephdalelio6684 Жыл бұрын
Beliefs are concepts that come from deep emotional convictions as well as conceptual constructs they embrace our thoughts and deep held beliefs. the use of the word heart is metaphorical it does not produce either thoughts, concepts or beliefs these are biological processes of the brain. My point is that numerous beliefs that were once advanced by Christian churches have been superceded or replaced by advances in social thought. you failed to grasp that. Most advances in Western civilization have been opposed and attacked by religious fanatics -to name a few -the emancipation and civil rights for women, democracy versus divine right of kings, an elaboration of civil and human rights for mankind, the teaching of the natural origins of life, the use of innoculations and pain killers for the treatment of diseases, the attribution of mental illness to natural causes rather than demonic possession, freedom of religion , the elimination of horrendous and barbaric punishments in the criminal codes of the western world and finally the abolition of the practice of slavery which was defended as both biblical and divine in origin. Res ipsa loquitur!
@csongorarpad4670 Жыл бұрын
Thank you for this video, Mr Trent! Godspeed!
@ElDorado226 Жыл бұрын
I loved "The West Wing" but I always thought the scene were President Bartlett argues against laws in Leviticus was a bit oversimplified. This was presented as a "Gotcha" moment but failed to allow the other side to acknowledge that, over the last 2000 years, SOME Jewish scholars would have thought about these objections. Instead, Bartlett's religious opponents sit dumbfounded as if some secret flaw had just been uncovered by Aaron Sorkin!
@Forester- Жыл бұрын
It is a little silly when people think they've uncovered some knock out argument from the bible as if we haven't been reading it for 2000 years.
@SergeantSkeptic686 Жыл бұрын
America needs qualified people to publicly debate the issue _Is the Bible God's Word_ There are a lot of argument's it is not God's word and is simply the mistaken ideas of ancient savage men.
@clara.dewi_widya Жыл бұрын
Very sad that we as laity have to tend for ourselves to keep us from doing things that displeases God. Priests are the keepers of God's flock. Don't understand why Bishops don't discipline priests who are not in line with God's teaching. Pray and do penance for the purification of our priests 🙏
@MrImmanuel Жыл бұрын
💵💵💵
@carolynkimberly4021 Жыл бұрын
The Bishops chosen by Francis are mostly homosexuals themselves.
@thorobreu Жыл бұрын
Come for the insights, stay for the subscription puns
@alanrozario Жыл бұрын
Hi Trent, are there any books/articles that help distinguish between moral and pedagogical laws?
@Forester- Жыл бұрын
Aquinas talks about this in the Summa under Question 99: The Precepts of the Old Law
@jeremysmith7176 Жыл бұрын
St. Paul's letter to the Galatians.
@cat.nova74 Жыл бұрын
What I can't understand is why priests like Fr Martin are allowed to remain a priest. It's one reason why non-Catholics don't take the Catholic Church seriously.
@CatholicWisdom Жыл бұрын
Just excellent, as always. Thank you 🙏🏻
@cabbysmack2 Жыл бұрын
Trent points out the laws in Leviticus ch 18 are quite clearly moral laws because they warrant the death penalty. Yet Leviticus 20:27 condemns necromancy as punishable by death. Yet in Jimmy Akin's Mysterious World podcast episode 270 at 45:20, he says the OT prohibition against necromancy is a ceremonial law, NOT a moral law. How do we reconcile Trent's logic of "if death penalty THEN moral law" vs Jimmy Akin's claim that prohibition of necromancy (punishable by death) is a ceremonial law?
@TotalAnalyst226 күн бұрын
Thanks
@richrosati714611 ай бұрын
Fantastic! This gives me the tools to defend the Church’s teaching on homosexuality. Thank you!
@J-PLeigh8409 Жыл бұрын
That was well laid out...I don't know why any believers can't just believe the New Test & Saint Paul's writings on such matters & sin in general. If anyone does not hold to Church teaching & practice & sacred scripture then maybe their blatantly heterodox & need to get it together ijs, Pax Vobis to like minded believers in the Son of God
@Beanbag777 Жыл бұрын
Will you invite James Martin on to debate him
@djsanctus1650 Жыл бұрын
Trent. Your intro sounds like you’re in need of a cup of coffee… put some pep-in-your-step bro! We’re happy to be watching your video. I hope you’re happy to be recording it!
@josephdalelio668411 ай бұрын
Truths donate Books CDs HOME updates search contact St. Pius V Demands Rigorous Punishment of Homosexual Clergy With homosexuality entering center stage in the discussions of the Synod presently going on at the Vatican, we bring to our readers some thoughts of St. Pius V on this matter in his Constitution Cum primum of April 1, 1566. In this Constitution the Inquisitor St. Pius V calls the vice against nature one of the offenses that are most repugnant to God and raise His wrath. He warns judges against negligence in punishing these crimes and solemnly established that clerics should be given over to the secular arm for the punishment of death. Pope St. Pius V “Having determined to do away with everything that may in some way offend the Divine Majesty, we resolve to punish, above all and without indulgence, those things which, by the authority of the Sacred Scriptures or by most grievous examples, are more repugnant to God than any others and raise His wrath: that is, negligence in divine worship, ruinous simony, the crime of blasphemy, and the execrable libidinous vice against nature. For such faults peoples and nations are scourged by God Who, according to His just condemnation, sends catastrophes, wars, famine, and pestilence ... “Let the judges know that if, even after this our Constitution, they are negligent in punishing these crimes, they will not only be guilty of them in the divine judgment but also will incur our indignation ... If someone commits that nefarious crime against nature that caused divine wrath to be unleashed against the children of iniquity, he will be given over to the secular arm for punishment [of death]; and if he is a cleric, he will be subject to the same punishment after having been stripped of all his degrees [of ecclesiastical dignity].” St. Pius V, Constitution Cum primum, April 1, 1566, in Bullarium Romanum (Rome: Typographia Reverendae Camerae Apostolicae, Mainardi, 1738), vol. 4, chap. 2, p. 284, apud Atila S. Guimaraes, Vatican II, Homosexuality and Pedophilia, TIA, 2004, pp. 19-20 Share
@D-Trez Жыл бұрын
My response to this objection is this. 1) God never destroyed any nations for "eating shellfish". Nations were destroyed for homosexuality (lev 18). 2) As beastiality and incest are listed as the things God destroyed nations for in lev 18, are those who claim that jesus had no problem with homosexual acts also claiming that jesus had no problem with men sleeping with their mothers and animals? If christians are not allowed to say homosexual acts are sinful, then that would also have to apply to incest and beastiality.
@pattyserrano9339 Жыл бұрын
The first tome i hears about this was from your book why we're catholic. It's good to be reminded!
@polaroctoct7429 Жыл бұрын
Great video!
@infiniteluck7966 Жыл бұрын
Hey Trent, would be cool to see you review voice of reason's discussion with True Christian ministry on Reason & theology Channel
@WT-Sherman Жыл бұрын
Great topic ! This needed hashed out.
@justhair174 ай бұрын
Not to mention even if we could somehow set aside the entire book of Leviticus, we still have 1 Corinthians 6:9 and 1 Timothy 1:10, which also clearly condemn it
@francikeen Жыл бұрын
Perhaps the Catholic Church use of *Latin, as the ecclesiastical language, served a similar purpose to unite and separate Catholics,* from unbelieving neighbors, as did the dietary laws of the OT Israelites.
@bethanyjohnson8001 Жыл бұрын
Actually, Latin was once extremely common in the academic world. I think that Latin was chosen as the language of the Church because of its widespread use among scholars at the time, not to set Catholics apart from non-believers.
@francikeen Жыл бұрын
@@bethanyjohnson8001 I did not say that was *why* Latin was chosen as the ecclesiastical language. I said the use of Latin, as the ecclesiastical language, *served the same purpose* as Israel's dietary laws. *Latin united Catholics and set them apart from non-Catholics,* for religious functions.
@rosjierhall1997 Жыл бұрын
Another great video, well done. Funny story - last night I had a dream that you came to my church hall to play risk, but you already has 5 players and I could only watch 😢. It was still a pleasure to meet you in my dream. Haha.
@Floridiansince94 Жыл бұрын
I will pray for Father Martin, he is leading the flock to the wrong path
@francismnyele Жыл бұрын
The homosexual teaching is repeated in the New Testament
@FranciscoGarcia-mc8gj Жыл бұрын
Great job on this explanation, Trent. It seems to be a convenient omission to leave out the distribution between moral and ritual rules in Leviticus for those who want to use Scripture to justify homosexuality and other "abominable" acts. It's also a shame that Fr. Martin conveniently omits citing the Catechism on this subject as this is within the authority of the Church to say what is and isn't a sin. Tradition, Scripture, and Magisterium are the three pillars of our Church, not just one or two of them when we feel like it.
@serratusx11 ай бұрын
The catechism states that being homosexual is not intrinsically sinful as we do not choose our sexual orientation
@PatrickSteil Жыл бұрын
The ONLY reason one would be able to buy into the shellfish arguments to justify homosexuality is because they have not submitted to their LORD. Catholicism teaches you to submit to the LORD by submitting to His Body every day.
@F7dJa Жыл бұрын
To be honest, that priests such as Fr Martin are not disciplined and/or removed for blatant heresy is making it difficult to fully embrace Catholicism. There seems to be little to no discipline on the left in the church- those in the pews and in the holy ministry.
@PopCultureCatechism Жыл бұрын
As usual, brilliantly done
@carolynkimberly4021 Жыл бұрын
James Martin probably knows that his argument doesn't hold but presents it anyway to the gullible to excuse his sin.
@signumcrucis4172 Жыл бұрын
Are you assuming he is a sodomite? Do you know for a fact or are you slandering a priest?
@concrete30308 ай бұрын
Trent, are you trying not to use New Testament scripture purposely? This is not a hard argument although great info as usual
@leonhewitt4744 Жыл бұрын
Well said as usual Trent. Cheers mate.
@ritobonito Жыл бұрын
I have done a lot of reading of Jewish commentaries. First, the prohibition of mixing cloths was to prohibit a profane use of a mixture of cloths that was used in the wilderness temple, hence it was sacred. ( Fr Martin mocks this divine command.) Second, there is a prohibition of using a certain compound of incense that you guessed it already was used in the wilderness temple, hence it was sacred and thus set aside. And, the big punchline about not eating pork and other such commands that don't make sense is that they have been commanded by God. So, it doesn't matter if a command makes sense to us or not. There's a command for a man to be put to death if he does not honor his father and mother :: obviously this command like others was to have a deterrant effect, there is no record of this command ever being carried out, or the water torture test of a woman's marital fidelity. A large number of the Torah commands have to do directly with the temple, and so do not even apply to modern Jews, much less to non-Jews, except in their power to persuade us to respect the sacred. A better argument that Fr Martin could make about Leviticus is that the Sinai covenant was only made with the Jews. Today, Jews are of the opinion that Gentiles like us are not enjoined to those commandments at all, but only to the Noahide covenant. Even St Paul makes the case that if a man is circumcised he becomes liable for adherence to all those commands of the Sinai covenant. He is not just making that up out of thin air. So, at the very least, he was using the Noahide argument as a case for Christians to not be circumcised, because the Sinai covenant had run its course, been fulfilled in Christ, and we were thereafter under the new covenant or testament.
@josephdalelio668410 ай бұрын
iN ADDITION THE COMMANDS FOR THE DEATH PENALTIES WERE HEDGED IN BY THE NECESSITY OF 2 OR 3 EYE WITNESSES WHICH EFFECTIVELY PROHIBITED THEIR USES IN ADDITION RABBINIC COMMENTARIES ON THE TORAH PRACTICALLY MADE IT IMPOSSIBLE TO EVER USE CAPITAL PUNISHMENT, PLUS WE HAVE NO RECORDED USE OF THE DEATH PENALTY FOR HOMOSEXUALITY IN ANCIENT ISRAEL OR JUDAH..
@lilheven1238 Жыл бұрын
It is clear in the bible. It is an abomination.
@signumcrucis4172 Жыл бұрын
The act of sodomy or homosexuals by themselves even if they are chaste?
@laurae.4285 Жыл бұрын
Excellent explanation!
@ToddJambon Жыл бұрын
How is Fr. Martin allowed to speak publicly about this subject? His Bishop should give him a stern warning to stop speaking about this unless reading verbatim the teaching from the Catechism/Canon Law. He needs to be made an example of. I don't think he should have his priesthood taken away, as long as he agrees to not speak on homosexually in a way that is against Church teaching. If he refuses, he should be stripped of his priestly duties.
@signumcrucis4172 Жыл бұрын
Did he say sodomy is ok? It's unfair to judge him by a clip taken out of context. I haven't seen a single instance where he says sodomy is ok so its weird for Trent to use a clip without providing more information about it assuming he is saying that sodomy is ok.
@ToddJambon Жыл бұрын
Fr. Martin gets away with a lot because of what he doesn't say explicitly. For example, when he says he asks people if they follow other aspects of Mosaic law when they bring up OT teaching on homosexuality, he is clearly implying that he believes in the very least that the OT teaching on this could be wrong. He doesn't have to specifically state that he thinks sodomy is okay to be in the wrong about this. We are all called to be witnesses to the Faith (You shall not bear false witness). He is being a false witness by bringing up what Trent calls the Shellfish Argument.@@signumcrucis4172
@beautybearswitness Жыл бұрын
I have got to subscribe, good job. 😊 God bless.
@michellemcdermott2026 Жыл бұрын
Maybe invite Fr James Martin SJ on for a debate
@Sniper_Cat_71 Жыл бұрын
Fr. James Martin bends scripture to suit his confirmation bias.
@masonshirley4051 Жыл бұрын
James Martin is an activist. He's not a theologian or scholar. He's going to bend exegesis to his will for his purposes. It's a shame that his Bishop doesn't take action.
@jouzelfeather-pelt7686 Жыл бұрын
Then there’s the Book of Judges. It’s real scary to read this book, because it seems to be a cautionary tale to being relativist.
@benjaminfalzon4622 Жыл бұрын
The Bible doesn't change. What's been inspired in the Bible is for Today, for Tomorrow, and forever. Religions can change whatever they like, at their own risk.
@calebhickerson Жыл бұрын
How would you respond to someone like Dan McClellan who argues that the distinctions of “moral” or “ceremonial” law are later theological developments read back into the texts of Scripture? I remember one video of his wherein he dismisses such distinctions as being designed to be anti-homosexual.
@Forester- Жыл бұрын
As far as I know Aquinas was the first to formalize the threefold distinction but it doesn't make sense that it would have been formulated to specifically target homosexuals because that was not a major theological debate in the Middle Ages and they wouldn't need to resort to such a roundabout tactic to condemn such a thing in Medieval society. Aquinas himself does not even reference the OT moral law when he does condemn it.
@Antonio.R.O.C. Жыл бұрын
📖The following scripture without a doubt proves that homosexuality is a sin: 🕊️“Let all who are spiritually mature agree on these things. If you disagree on some point, I believe God will make it plain to you.” Philippians 3:15 1. What did our Father say in reference to marriage❓ 🕊️“This explains why a man leaves his father and mother and is joined to his wife, and the two are united into one.” Genesis 2:24 2. Did Jesus reaffirm our Father’s view on marriage❓ 🕊️“Haven’t you read the Scriptures?” Jesus replied. “They record that from the beginning ‘God made them male and female.’” And he said, “‘This explains why a man leaves his father and mother and is joined to his wife, and the two are united into one.” Matthew 19:4-5 3. Did the Holy Spirit who spoke through the Apostles reaffirm our Father’ & Jesus’ view on marriage❓ 🕊️“As the Scriptures say, “A man leaves his father and mother and is joined to his wife, and the two are united into one.” Ephesians 5:31 4. Is Jesus’ example of love separate from an individual’s sexual immorality❓ 🕊️“Live a life filled with love, following the example of Christ. He loved us and offered himself as a sacrifice for us, a pleasing aroma to God. Let there be no sexual immorality, impurity, or greed among you. Such sins have no place among God’s people.” Ephesians 5:2-3 5. Is sex considered a sin❓ 🕊️“Run from sexual sin! No other sin so clearly affects the body as this one does. For sexual immorality is a sin against your own body.” 1 Corinthians 6:18 6. Under what condition is sex allowed❓ 🕊️“But because there is so much sexual immorality, each man should have his own wife, and each woman should have her own husband.” 1 Corinthians 7:2 Conclusion: Not only did our Father, Jesus and the Apostles clarify marriage between heterosexuals but further state that sexual immorality was only acceptable through heterosexual marriage. If sexual immorality is only acceptable between heterosexuals then by default, sex & marriage between homosexuals is not only sinful but contradicts our Father, Jesus and the Holy Spirit who spoke through the Apostles. Even though we know more now about sexual orientations, who will dare claim our Father, Jesus and the Holy Spirit who spoke through the Apostles knew less❓ 7. Are we all given the free will to accept our Father’s truth in reference to marriage❓ 🕊️“Today I have given you the choice between life and death, between blessings and curses. Now I call on heaven and earth to witness the choice you make. Oh, that you would choose life, so that you and your descendants might live!” Deuteronomy 30:19 8. Will you accept our Father’s truth in reference to marriage❓ 🕊️“Just say a simple, ‘Yes, I will,’ or ‘No, I won’t.’ Anything beyond this is from the evil one.” Matthew 5:37
@rosarymanpio Жыл бұрын
Thank you Trent!
@snappyjo4642 Жыл бұрын
As a former evangelical Protestant, I aways learn something of value when I listen to you. When I was younger my faith was emotional, and as I grew older that just was not enough. Oh, and why I searched my faith and found the Catholic Church.
@Mother_of_God_Sanctum11 ай бұрын
Thanks, Trent!
@haydongonzalez-dyer2727 Жыл бұрын
Great video
@Narikku Жыл бұрын
Hey Trent - I really appreciated video. The only point that I disagree with is that Homosexual acts are something under the moral law, as opposed to ritual laws. I think the evidence for homosexual acts being considered under Ritual Cleanliness is pretty strong. That being said, I do think it is irrelevant. Acts 15 has a pretty clear statement on the matter that Sexual Immorality should be avoided. Regardless of the case of the status of homosexual acts being a 'moral' or 'ritual' confition, either way they are forbidden to Christians explicitly, along with the forbidding of strangled meats, drinking blood, or idolatry.
@steveempire4625 Жыл бұрын
The argument is strengthened by the NT. Paul outlines two legitimate vocations: celibacy and heterosexual marriage. Fornication is obviously defined as sexual activity outside of heterosexual marriage which is condemned by both Jesus and Paul. Critics utilize "argument from ignorance" to the extreme here. The burden of proof is on both sides. If homosexuality is not a sin, it must, therefore, be a virtue. Critics must prove with Biblical evidence that homosexuality was ever a virtue.
@andystitt3887 Жыл бұрын
There are places in the Old Testament that affirm the death penalty which the church has condemned and not just for violating “ceremonial “ commands.
@batmaninc2793 Жыл бұрын
Yuri Bezmenov would be having a field day.
@chidmania8485 Жыл бұрын
The shellfish argument cuts both ways: Why do they accept the laws that forbid, say, stealing or murder if they reject the laws about food, clothing and farming?
@MindShift-Brandon Жыл бұрын
Hey Trent, I have been covering this topic (the inconsistencies of Christianity) extensively on my channel. I would love to have a conversation someday.
@Waldemarvonanhalt Жыл бұрын
Man, Keith Sharpe really made the "poly-cotton, shellfish, Saturday" argument.