How "LGBT" Ideology Ruins Friendship

[@TheCounselofTrent]

My friend David Bates brought this quote to my attention that I wish I had included in today's episode: "Those who cannot conceive friendship as a substantive love but only as a disguise or elaboration of Eros betray the fact that they have never had a friend." - C.S. Lewis

[@SurrenderNovena]

Excellent! No one can live well without love (if a loveless life could be considered "living") but, yes, many, many have lived well - joyfully and fully alive - without sex.

[@jackieo8693]

Good quote

[@captainskippy4560]

Dang that cuts right into the heart doesn't it

[@ntmn8444]

Great quote! And very true. Nowadays, people cannot just have a nice friendship without some form of sexual perversion being behind it. I just can’t stand it.

[@MrAdamo]

Can this quote not be used against you? You said a man and a woman can never be friends because of the inherent sexual tension. Thus, this betrays the fact that you have never had a female friend.

[@eleonoremarymadone9859]

A guy tried to ruin the Lord of the Rings for me, he was seeing gay couples everywhere, Frodo and Sam, Legolas and Gimli...etc. Watching the trilogy with him "traumatized" me. He argued with me for days. I found out later on that the guy was secretly gay. It helped me clear my mind of his " analysis" of the movie. I can watch it again without hearing him in my head and without cringing at the characters' noble friendships.

[@jouzelfeather-pelt7686]

Don’t even give him that. He has SSA. Which isn’t even permanent. He’s trying to give into this temptation and was using you to affirm him.

[@Vezmus1337]

It's especially wrong because Tolkien was a Catholic and Sam gets married at the end of the trilogy. I'm watching Two Towers as I type this. 😂

[@williamavitt8264]

You shouldn't avoid LOTR because of someone else's flawed interpretation of it. You should avoid LOTR because it's boring and it sucks

[@bikesrcool_1958]

@@williamavitt8264 😳😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😫😫😫😫😫😫😫😫😫😩🥺🥺🥺🥺😭😭😭😭😭😢😢😣😣😞😞😞😔😔😔😔☹️☹️☹️🙁🙁🙁😕.- my brain while reading that. That hurt

[@Nekulturny]

The problem is you think it matters, who cares if those characters are gay? Only you. Thats the problem. Nobody tried to "ruin" anything for you, you're just easily triggered.

[@GratiaPrima_]

I was at Mass yesterday and two older ladies in front of me blessed my heart with how sweet and affectionate they were with each other. Clearly besties. It was beautiful to see. Didn’t even think anything of it past that.

[@wiseonwords]

They were definitely lesbos! 😆Joking, of course.

[@TheEarthRealm]

Apparently it's totally fine for women, just not men.

[@meglukes]

I got accused of “queerbaiting” when I had two unmarried male characters in my story hug, once because they were glad to be reunited after not seeing each other for 4 years and again when the widowed one’s son was dying, or when I had a male character who had taken an oath of celibacy never express that he was tempted to break it. No similar complaints with the unmarried women for some reason. I mean I get that men and women are different so maybe I just don’t understand, but is it really so impossible that a man might also want a hug while he’s devastated by tragedy, or a man might not be constantly thinking about sex if he’s got something difficult, dangerous, and important occupying nearly every waking hour?

[@crusaderACR]

I hug my best friends and my family as a way of greeting Must be cultural, cause its perfectly normal here. Man or woman, you're getting a big ol' hug.

[@quagsiremcgee1647]

Me and most of my male friends would agree that hugging should be normal especially under those circumstances. I've always been impressed by Monks and Nuns partially because of their vows. It seems the only way a lot of people know of to make a vow interesting is to break it, but ive found that exploring how a vow changes a person can be just as compelling. Thomas Aquinas made some interesting decisions in order to maintain his vows.

[@theurzamachine]

LGBT ruining friendship seems to be intentionally pushed. 1. Society can be weakened if men cannot form strong bonds with each other without being seen as gay. 2. Classifying every normal friendship as gay gives the impression to young children that being gay is common place, accepted and okay.

[@elgatofelix8917]

True. This is intentional, and is exactly what Israel wants for America.

[@supernerd8067]

​@El Gato Felix what does Israel have to do with this?

[@elgatofelix8917]

@@supernerd8067 they are explicitly in favor of so-called "LGBT rights" and are promoting it globally

[@Ryan619107]

​@El Gato Felix Couldn't we say the same for any other Western country, like France, the United Kingdom, or Germany? Or even the United States itself (after all, our state department ordered a rainbow flag be flown at the Vatican)? Why single out Israel? Surely you singling them out wouldn't have to do with the ethnicity of many Isrealis, would it?

[@elgatofelix8917]

@@Ryan619107 you speak as though the leaders those countries haven't all pledged allegiance to Israel. It's a proven fact that the politiciana of so-called "western democracies" all have subversive loyalties to Israel. That is no mere coincidence.

[@DigitalLogos]

I've hated this implication so much in recent years. No longer can men have a close, fraternal camaraderie without being labeled sodomites. Like the blasphemers who try to paint Our Lord and St. John in this way because of their close relationship.

[@redacted428]

If true, then the silver lining is that they can't ever be labeled as bigoted, homophobic, or hateful now can they? If having male friends makes you gay, then nothing you say to criticize these "alternative" sexual lifestyles can ever be smeared as hate speech.

[@vaderkurt7848]

​@@MarkStonewall-rx7enYes and degenerate.

[@tookie36]

If two men cant be friends without seeming "gay" it is because of the religious bigots who demonize homosexuality.

[@pastorbri]

a sodomite is a person from sodom.....so doubt anyone thinks they are still around old bean

[@andrewvachon1943]

@@pastorbriYou are being intentionally ignorant here, the term “sodomite” refers to a person who practices sodomy and is typically associated with males having disordered sexual desires towards other males. I am sure you are aware of this and are just trying to bait a Christian into correcting you so you can call said Christian a homophobe, I guess I’m your huckleberry. Homophobia isn’t real, and while some people can be quite cruel to homosexuals, simply stating that homosexuality is a disordered sexual desire does not rise to that level and any reasonable person would agree.

[@medleysa]

When sexual orientation becomes your foundation for identity, everything becomes sexual.

[@drooskie9525]

As a society, we've adopted a orientation-essentialist paradigm of sexuality, largely inherited by Freud and subsequently early psychologists. Which means, right from the outset, to be born heterosexual is to be natural and thus inherently moral. That alone is pretty brutal for a homosexual to deal with it, but that's not all, it has tons of consequences and implications downstream and we are just seeing the consequences it. Make no mistake either, this is the fault of Christians if we track it by the root, starting with Catholicism and then really manifested with Protestantism.

[@BalthasarCarduelis]

​@@drooskie9525 orientation-essentialist paradigm? Way to take homosexuality's own rhetoric (ie orientation) and twist it to devalue basic unit of society (ie the family, with a mother and a father). Essentially, homosexuality, is not an orientation (as per the rhetoric) but a disorientation (per the order of life). The consequence of your disordered (firstly) and perverted (secondly) assertion is the smashing of the family, which is genocide at worst and the destruction of civil society at best.

[@AntonAchondoa]

I think the same can be said for sexual conservatism. The obsession with purity turns even innocent situations into an occasion of sin. For instance, I have come across many people who think men and women can't just be friends, and in my experience that is false. I have many close female friends who are strictly platonic and it has never interfered with my marriage, and my wife has close, platonic male friends too. It's important not to hyper obsess over sex (on the left) or purity (on the right).

[@drooskie9525]

@@BalthasarCarduelis I didn't say the orientation-essentialist paradigm of sexuality was the correct way of looking at it. I believe it does a lot of harm, and it actually is arguably worse on straight people from the christian perspective. (homosexuality initially gets shunned but all forms of man-to-woman sexual sins get "justified") Homosexuals adopted it mainly because it was forced upon them and it is all they know. Its a modern societal issue, its not something you can totally lay at the feet of homosexuals. When you identify yourself as heterosexual (straight), you are participating in that very concept. Interesting to note, heterosexuality (and homosexuality) are modern terms (1920-1930 in origin) and it was initially labeled a pathology. They were pathological terms. Disordered.

[@BalthasarCarduelis]

@@drooskie9525 Homosexuals didn't "adopt" orientation "because it was forced upon them". They "crafted" orientation "because if they are oriented towards that behaviour then they are not morally responsible for it". The rhetoric was crafted as a variation on the "not guilty by reason of mental disease" argument (ignoring that the kleptomaniac is still guilty of theft and the nymphomaniac of fornication), and not by Freud who saw the disorder as a defence mechanism but by Kinsey, who participated in it himself. Once that foot was in the door, homosexual activists then terrorised the American Psychiatric Association to delist the disorder from the diagnostics, rebranding "mental disease" into "orientation". Nobody is oriented towards seeding the concrete. If he is, he's disoriented and needs to be led back to the farm. Crookedness is not an inheritence of straightness, either. If everybody is straight, then crooked and straight have no meaning. Only when the crooked orientation is crafted, and only when the straight buy that disingenuous rhetoric (ie excuse), does the straight orientation even become a concept. For many years before this excuse was rationalised, sodomy was a behaviour, not an "orientation".

[@taemi5507]

I've seen proof of this first hand as well. Biggest example I can think of is the old TV show Merlin. The whole show is about the friendship of Arthur and Merlin and both of them sacrificed themselves multiple times for each other. Nowadays you cannot have a friendship like that in a show without many people saying it's 'gay'. I've seen it so many times with Merlin, how people claimed that they 'must have liked each other romantically' - simply because they had such a close bond. Apparently, platonic love can never be a really deep, intense bond, it just 'has to be romantic'. 😕

[@jendoe9436]

Reminds me also of the Sherlock Holmes franchise. The stories were obviously about a great detective solving crimes with his average but personable friend writing it all down. Even when Watson got married to Mary, with the two feeling a ‘spark’ the first time they met and held hands, people still think Holmes and Watson were “totally gay” for each other 😒 They don’t seem to realize just how much Holmes appreciated Watson’s acceptance of his intellect and eccentricities, and Watson enjoyed Holmes’s genius and ability to solve even the most complex puzzles.

[@MysticMike8462]

This is one of my favorite shows and I couldn’t agree more. To try to sexualize wholesome platonic friendships also projects the idea that celibate Christian’s can’t experience genuine love with another human being- It has to be sexual in order to exist in the first place which is just wrong

[@asterglaceon]

Real talk I LOVE that show I haven’t seen it in so long but i need to watch it again

[@CatholicSamurai]

My long-time best friend (a straight married man) and I (also a straight married man) frequently talk to each other on the phone. We always end our calls by telling the other we leave them. Our deep and abiding masculine friendship, and the unique intimacy it has cultivated between us, is so strong that it feels natural to us to say it. We have no sexual attraction towards each other, but I know that if he were to pass away unexpectedly, I would shed tears and say “truly, I loved him.” And I am grateful for such a friendship - it is rare and precious indeed.

[@aaron1983]

🎉

[@sunsets1209]

That is so special I wish deep brotherhood would make a comeback.

[@clarkkent5442]

I have a friend like this. he an old army buddy of mine. I was his sergeant during our deployment to Iraq. now, we don't talk as much as we'd like. but fraternal love between two men is something I think all men should have. unfortunately in western society this kind of love is mistaken as "gay" love and that men should never share a fraternal love between men because it's "gay"

[@Vezmus1337]

This unfortunate line of thinking goes back to Sigmund Freud and his theory that literally everything is about sex. Oh you love your parents? "It must be about sex." You love your friends? "It must be about sex." You're not thinking about sex constantly? "You must be asexual." 🤦‍♂🤦‍♂🤦‍♂It's so tiresome.

[@wiseonwords]

@Vezmus1337 - It's also incredibly immature!

[@thesnatcher3616]

Smart guy and contributed a lot to psychoanalysis, but he had some views that were downright monstrous. He held an opinion that all his patients that came to him expressing sexual trauma(rape and other forms of sexual abuse)were simply expressing their delusional fantasies. They didn't ACTUALLY get abused, but they imagined it due to their innate need for sexual attention, fetishes, and the need to express their inner desires to masterbate since birth.

[@tirididjdjwieidiw1138]

accurate as hell. im one of the few in my friend group that isn’t addicted to porn and thinking about sex constantly so they think im an asexual.

[@MalachiWhite-tw7hl]

Freudian views were probably a reaction to Victorian-era sexual repression, thus everything is about sex.

[@piotrwisniewski70]

​@@thesnatcher3616 didn't he also suggested that everyone has bigger or lesser for of Edyp syndrome?

[@Ryan619107]

This is something that's been on my mind a long time. I first saw this like a decade ago, back when I was using Tumblr (ugh). Every male interaction (including disdain and hatred) was clearly homoerotic. Miles Edgeworth and Phoenix Wright? Gay. Harry Potter and Ron Weasley? Gay. Sam and Frodo? Gay. Merry and Pippin? Gay. Aragorn and the rest of the Fellowship? A positive example of "non-toxic masculinity"... and also gay. Even the two brother characters from Supernatural clearly HAD to be gay for each other. Seeing all that, I think, made me more distant from my male friends, and in college, made me more reluctant to develop male friendships in the first place. Its only becoming more common nowadays, unfortunately. My sister says she thought Batman and Gordon had a romantic subtext in the most recent movie. My best friend says the game Portal was ultimately about lesbian feelings between Chell and Glados. I'm super worried about the younger generations being primed to not differentiate platonic and romantic feelings and attraction. God have mercy on us.

[@jendoe9436]

Tumblr is definitely where a lot of that sort of stuff either started or provided a platform for it to cumulate. Once Tumblr went off, those people went to other places like Twitter and Deviant Art (which is it’s own issue 🤢). The cartoon and anime fandoms are some of the worst offenders with this! Perfectly sweet and good friendships absolutely ruined by the Alphabet infestation.

[@elgatofelix8917]

Harry Potter is written by a feminist so yeah, of course it's gay. Who wants to read that trash though anyway?

[@gunsgalore7571]

Okay but I can actually understand Mary and Pippin...

[@anti-elitistaction217]

Fujos and their consequences have been a disaster for the human race. (not to mention every fandom in existence) Also no idea how your friend came to that conclusion about Portal when in the first game Glados sees Chell as a disposable piece of test equipment and in the second game she sends her away telling her to please have nothing to do with her ever again

[@Veo87]

The relatively recent Pixar movie, Luca, is another example of a piece of media that depicted a wholesome friendship between two boys, but some people online wanted to argue that there was some kind of budding romance between them.

[@stormcomdonson1553]

I also read that the voice actor for Luca's friend was also "on board" with that stupid idea.

[@AscanioCrudo]

The only time I heard about that movie's plot was when a friend described it to me. She said "I made this drawing about the movie because it talks about acceptance for homosexuality". Didn't know it had nothing to do with it until now.

[@Veo87]

@@AscanioCrudo It has THEMES that CAN be applied to people who are gay, but it's a theme that can be applied to people generally as well. It never "talks about acceptance for homosexuality." I'm simply talking about the people who try to say that the main two boys are anything other than good friends.

[@Tzimiskes3506]

Yup. It truly does. My closest friend in highschool came out as Bisexual and that really took a toll on our relationship. She was also an atheist. But Praise God, she came back to the Catholic faith and is an amazing woman now. Goes to Mass every week. Prays the Rosary etc. I helped her understand the Bible and how God is a Father who calls us all to repentance and how our true identity is found in Christ.

[@crusaderACR]

Lovely story. Glory to Jesus Christ!

[@cocococop6082]

Stop praying to praying. It's not in the Bible

[@rushthezeppelin]

Why do these people have to try and ruin my childhood? I loved those books growing up and never once put a sexual connotation to it...

[@Nekulturny]

Why are you so easily triggered? You must be one of those people who constantly tells everyone else to pull themselves up by their bootstraps and to not be so sensitive. They're the worst hypocrites I've ever met, I can smell them through the internet cable.

[@jouzelfeather-pelt7686]

This has been something that gives me scruples. You can’t be close friends anymore. People push that you want to commit sodomy and oh boy. I wish we could have friends again without things being sexualized.

[@ViscountDI]

This reminds me of the TV adaptation of the Last of Us. There were 2 same sex friendships on that show, and everyone turned out to be gay. There were literally zero platonic same sex relationships depicted.

[@yenahbrown4675]

Huh, based of the fans of the first game it was hinted that one of the characters was in a gay relationship, so why should they cut that out?

[@kereal2591]

The game had that too, though it was alot more subtle

[@Nil-Hal_Kiggers]

@@yenahbrown4675 The game implied that, the series showed it in gratuity for an entire filler episode.

[@oblitibley]

I've noticed this increasingly with a lot of my zoomer friend groups, so many feel the need to 'act gay' around eachother, it's all in a jokey way but it feels forced and weird. It's like friendship is just a lesser version of sexual desire, so to show greater affection you insinuate sexuality.

[@realDonaldMcElvy]

Alex Jones warned us about this! He told us they were doing this to the frogs, and nobody listened!

[@littledrummergirl_19]

LOL FACTS

[@HaydenStephens515]

CRIMINALLY UNDERRATED Comment!!! 🤯🤣

[@laurants]

The worst are the oddities making Sam and Frodo Eros lovers instead of Agape and Philia friends.

[@jackalopeb9598]

I saw a post on Twitter saying that the girls in the Pixar movie turning red are polyamorous plutonic quad. It seems so weird because they’re just friends. Why can’t people see we could be friends without everything being sexual?

[@jackieo8693]

When you reserve sex only for your spouse, you can be a real friend to everyone else, and you are a safe person to be around.

[@AntonAchondoa]

I like this insight! Being safe means you know healthy boundaries.

[@JuanMPalacio]

As long as you are not a hyper-aroused adulterer, yes.

[@bobnewsdog]

Were you therefore unsafe to be around when you were not married?

[@jackieo8693]

@@bobnewsdog not if you are determined to reserve sex for marriage

[@bobnewsdog]

@@jackieo8693 That makes no sense. I have had a number of female friends prior to being married and I was never "unsafe". A rational and mature human can always be a safe friend.

[@lordofthered1257]

I went through a very trying time when I let my SSA get out of hand. My best friend and I slept together. It was horrible. I always loved him and he is bisexual. I am straight now and I am having a better time now. My best freind is still my best freind and we left that mistake in the past. I feel very little temptation to SSA with him to the point were we are able to be comfortable in situations that one might think awkward. I love him as a brother and he loves me back in the same way. I am blessed to have him in my life and am so glad we were able to overcome our mistakes. We dissagree on a lot. I am die hard Christian trying my best to grow away from sin and live the life God wants and he is a bisexual agnostic. At the the of the day we love each other as brothers and seek each others company not for sexual gratification but for our deep and profound friendship, respect, and enjoyment of each others company. Admittedly we are both very unique and combative and its most enjoyable to argue over the existance of God and such.

[@killianmiller6107]

How did you go from having SSA to bring straight? Because I often hear that SSA is an immutable characteristic, and conversion therapy has a huge negative connotation.

[@lordofthered1257]

@@killianmiller6107 Humans by nature are sexual beings by nature and sexual desire is very powerful energy and left unchecked or misguided it will flow in directions contrary to its and our nature. The ultimate nature of sexual attraction is procreation. Thats why sexual attraction exists. My sexual attraction had become perverted by constant misdirection, some from popular culture and some from p0rn. Problems I still struggle with today. But vice and virtue are habits. We can change our desires by starving our habitual vices and feeding our virtues.

[@jouzelfeather-pelt7686]

@@lordofthered1257 Many would say you are wrong, but I believe you have the right idea. This culture makes things very confusing for people. I have read Christopher West's books and he actually addresses that SSA isn't permanent. It can go away. What is SSA but the absence of heterosexuality? What is darkness but the absence of light? I think the main thing is we should not give in to gender ideology. You either have SSA, gender dysphoria, or do not. There are also instances where married men acquire SSA. He should not divorce his wife and neglect his children to find himself.

[@jamie7880]

@@killianmiller6107 with all due respect, everything you've heard about the "immutability" of SSA and the harm of "conversion" therapy is a lie.

[@sunsets1209]

​@@lordofthered1257 Bless you brother 🤍

[@sherlock7898]

I wish more movies and tv showed and revered true friendship. Iconic friends like Sam & Frodo, Sherlock & Watson, Laverne & Shirley, Shawn & Gus, House & Wilson are heartfelt examples of familial love with a best friend. Love is not lesser because it’s not romantic.

[@jd3jefferson556]

Me and my best friend from high school, had our friendship ruined because of that ugly rainbow flag. He came out as non binary and when I had my conversion, I told him that "non binary" is nonsense, in the most loving way I could. Then over night I lost my entire friend group, because I was seen as hateful and non-accepting. O may the Virgin Mary protect my old friends!

[@redacted428]

Good riddance!

[@MrPeach1]

I am sure you will enjoy a new set of sane friends anyways.

[@binghamguevara6814]

Non-binary is not a sexuality. It’s a request from a people to not be judged by the normal male-female non-binary. It’s the equivalent of a nudist saying they don’t want to be judged by the non-binary of nudity-wearing clothes. And then, they’d have a problem with people wearing clothes and the whole history of clothes wearing. Thats how disgusting non-binary is.

[@SurrenderNovena]

God Bless you! Pray for them, have Masses said for them, light candles for them! Your prayers will help save them!

[@jd3jefferson556]

@MrSoofax God has blessed me. After Covid I met some great Catholic fathers, one of whom became my daughters God-father.

[@kyuokuo]

Anime and cartoons have a lot of great male friendships, the thought that people want to paint FRIENDSHIP as something that can only mean that they are partners makes me extremely angry! Take for example Lelouch and Suzako from Code Geass, they are both friends AND foils to each other, something that would be impossible if they were lovers or even had romantic thoughts about each other. Another example could be the friendship of Sam and Frodo! Two friends who AREN'T foils to each other, they support their bond of friendship and love because they HAVE that love for each other without it being muddled by romantic thoughts...

[@andrewokr16]

Appreciate topics like this so much. It's only as I've gotten older that I've realized how Western culture has warped sexual relations so much. It's not something for married couples nor even something for people in long-standing relationships that are likely to result in marriage (not at all saying this is a good thing but just pointing it out to make a distinction), but it's simply a natural extension of friendship not even just between the sexes but also amongst the same sex. The result is that sexual intercourse becomes part of the 'equation' so to speak in many situations where it shouldn't be and to be honest it troubles me deeply and it's almost shameful at times. It's pretty much evil that it's being pushed, but on the same hand it's helpful to see that it's something that's being pushed and not necessarily a person defect within people.

[@emiliawisniewski3947]

Only last night when staying with a friend (non-practicing Buddhist) who is very pro-LGBT made persistent comments about my mother thinking that we must be 'lesbian lovers' because I was 'sleeping over' at her place before my work travel. My mother doesn't outwardly express her disdain towards same sex attracted people, but she would be mortified if I were in fact same sex attracted. It hurt me hearing those words come out of my friend's mouth. I would like to think that even if I were same sex attracted that it wouldn't be a kind of joke to casually throw around and giggle about. My life would be profoundly difficult, my parents would likely disown me and would feel profound shame in their social circles when discussing me and my life (which they already do, as I am a single woman without children). I could never bear children, I could never engage in any vaguely licit sexual experience, I would never know what it would be to be sexually desired or loved by another human being in a romantic sense. I would potentially be party to a subculture that equates my sexual desire with my sense of self. In many ways I think the acceptance of same sex persons as another kind of normal sexual appetite has poor consequences for the person concerned. It doesn't make life easier for them in any way. We could make it easier for everybody - same sex attracted or not if we spent more time normalising celibacy and singledom rather than marriage and children as the ultimate pathway.

[@wiseonwords]

@emilia - Unfortunately, I think that the reason why your "friend" was making such an unpleasant joke was because she was trying to plant the idea of you actually becoming her lesbian lover. In other words, your "friend" was abusing your friendship for her selfish ends. She's not a friend. Be wary of her.

[@taemi5507]

This is not related to the topic but I wanted to say it somewhere. I'm very thankful for Trent Horn's work and other Catholic Answers work. There was a time when I had serious questions about what it means to be a Christian even though I was raised Catholic. Needless to say, searching for the answer online got me into some Protestant thinking because in English 'Christian' often means some type of Protestant 🥲. I didn't know that but once those Protestand arguments entered my mind I had some real doubts about many Catholic issues. Among others, Trent Horn's work was one of the main ones that helped me to see clarity, to understand Catholic doctrines and their basis. I also got the book 'Why we're Catholic' so I'll have some type of summary of all main issues whenever I want to look at it or explain it to others 😊 I'm not sure where I would have ended up if I hadn't discovered Christian and Catholic apologists. So I'm grateful, thank you!

[@Hadrianus01]

The same could be said of modern hook up culture, with every friendship having the possibility of sexual activity...

[@fragwagon]

This all moves along on the underbelly of the Internet, where gays "ship" (put in a sexual relationship) any two fictional characters they wish to ruin. They do it to literally everything.

[@rayvaul3539]

The same thing happened with Blake and Yang in RWBY. They were heterosexual, both of them! And then the toxic bmblb shippers came along and those people kept pushing for more and more and more. And now Im sick of it, Blake was and still is one of my favorite characters in RWBY, but Rooster Teeth broke and starting bowing down to the shippers and the woke mob. But there are people who fall in love with same sex genders, and I am glad they found a partner and someone to fall in love and settle down with, but not the way it should be. Homosexuality is death; you lose 20 years of life.! Not only that, you will not be able to enter the Kingdom of God! Remember what Jesus said; "Depart from me, you who committeth inequity, I never knew you."

[@MeatEatingVegan777]

Every single time there's 2 close friends that are male or female, that are not written to be gay by the writer: "Oh Emmm Geeee Th3y Lik3 T0taLly S4y G4Y R1gThs, Ya'll and I aM h3re F0r It 🤗🤗🤗!!!!" Let's not forget. In modern reboots, 99% of the time it's people who really don't care about the original series and they want to make their head cannons completely cannon. So, they make characters that they believe to be gay, gay. There is such thing as 2 people being just friends. It happens, and it is a beautiful thing.

[@eddardgreybeard]

So on one hand they want to say that straight men can cuddle and kiss their best friend and be comfortably naked around each other but at the same time perfectly platonic friendships are proof of homosexuality.

[@jouzelfeather-pelt7686]

Yup

[@ythatesfacts]

This is something that is *rampant* in anime. They waterdown any remote brotherly love and sacrifice for the other as sexual and gay.

[@matthewm.986]

Thanks for covering this topic Trent! It saddens me that close friendships between people of the same sex seem to not be able to happen anymore, or if they do, it assumed there’s sexual attraction involved. I can think of two other examples of how close friendships in literature have been sexualized or are now perceived as sexual. One example is the friendship between Frodo Baggins and Sam Gamgee in the “Lord of the Rings” films. People laughed at Sam’s line in the third film: “I can’t carry the ring for you Frodo, but I can carry you!” (I’m paraphrasing). Some now see Sam and Frodo as being in a romantic relationship rather than a close friendship! There are so-called “queer readings” of “Lord of the Rings” that claim that Sam and Frodo are homosexual! 😡 Another example of this is the close friendship between Anne Shirley and Diana Berry in the Canadian classic “Anne of Green Gables”. Working in a public library, I’ve come across two graphic novels in the children’s section where “Anne of Green Gables” is rewritten to have Anne and Diana having a romantic crush on each other! 🤢 A third example is this article from the “Art of Manliness” website titled “Bosom Buddies: A Photo History of Male Affection”. The article has multiple photos of men together in different poses, including sit on each others lap etc. Of course some who have seen this article assume that the men were just “closeted” homosexuals! 😡 www.artofmanliness.com/people/relationships/bosom-buddies-a-photo-history-of-male-affection/ The LGBT agenda crap as definitely ruined intimate same sex friendships! In my opinion this is harmful not only to heterosexual men but also those who experience SSA as close friendships between those with SSA and heterosexual men can be healing for those with SSA!

[@sandstorm7768]

I see this in so many fiction fan groups. They call it "shipping." If there's a possibility two characters might be gay, they therefore MUST be gay and the fans assert it as established fact, which is really weird and clingy and gross, on top of being factually incorrect. It's ironic, because I've enjoyed many gay characters in stories, the ones that just...are gay and go about their lives. They don't force it or demand it. They just are, and it's nice. I can understand being gay and desperate to see yourself representated in your favorite stories. For that I do have empathy. But for this clingy brazen crowd, I don't assert my wishes as fact. I assert them as wishes. You can't claim a character you didn't write to be gay, because they're probably not.

[@1001011011010]

Yes I've seen a comment just some time earlier talking about the mutual respect Richard the Lionheart and Saladin had for each other as rival military leaders. And people try to make even that gay! It's like people don't understand human relationships

[@buddigabong]

A content creator I watch who also happens to be homosexual (J. J. McCollough) made a video called "Being gay is annoying" which addressed many of the grievances Trent mentions including how it affects how friendships are perceived.

[@Flibleene]

I have been thinking this for years. Thank you for speaking my thoughts in a far more articulate way than I could ever hope to do. Porn kills love. Sex kills friendships. Trent is killing it.

[@keedee3104]

Good morning Trent! (Here in Canada anyways). I am impatiently waiting for a reaction/rebuttal video to George Farmer & Allie Stuckey’s Protestantism vs Catholicism

[@zuzaninha]

Great idea, I was thinking the same. George was great, shame that he doesn't have a podcast.

[@zuzaninha]

​@Isaac Arellano Does it mean that Allie now stops misinterpreting the things that George explained to her (like papal infallibility)?

[@EpoRose1]

@@zuzaninha To be fair most Catholics don’t really understand papal infallibility (including me up until about five years ago!).

[@zuzaninha]

@@EpoRose1 I agree with you but she interpreted it as something wrong or weird before even knowing what it was. I like Allie. She is a fighter. I was just disappointed that she uses these tired caricatures...

[@GarrisonMorton]

I ABSOLUTELY LOVED my (late) best friend. And I don't just mean he was my friend, I mean he was like my brother. We hugged all the time. We were SO close. But he died sadly. But there was absolutely nothing sexual or romantic about it. That never crossed my mind. But LOVE sure did. I would have done anything to protect him and he would have done anything to protect me as well.

[@theresaboldt5797]

Of course, it ruins friendship. There was a time when it was common place for grown women to hold hands or walk arm in arm. After the gay/lesbian was forced down our throats. We quit holding hand and walking arm in arm because it would be viewed as gay. Thanks :(

[@CatholicCarlismEnjoyer]

Why would they do that though? I can understand both men and women being physically intimate like greeting each other with a kiss on the cheek (based Latin people momemt), but holding hands does seem like something reserved for a romantic interest.

[@amyj4283]

@@CatholicCarlismEnjoyer I get what you’re saying but this was not always the case. I think that’s what the op is saying: holding hands has not always been a sexual act. It actually still isn’t. Ive walked arms in arms and hand-in-hand with my female friends (in high school) with zero romantic subtext. The attempt to delegate this simple act of closeness to a display of sexual interest is really frustrating.

[@CatholicCarlismEnjoyer]

​​​@@amyj4283 Okay, but I guess my issue would be that men just don't do that. If men and boys did it as well I could understand it as just being a platonic act of intimacy between friends. I just find it strange that women and girls can do things that would otherwise be seen as homosexual in men and boys. It just seems like a weird thing to do unlike a hug or a high five. Edit: Then again. I think men can have more intimate friendships than women without the need for physical contact. I love the friends I made in the army, and I would gladly fight and die for them. Douay-Rheims; Greater love than this no man hath, that a man lay down his life for his friends.

[@mariannelopez6738]

​@@CatholicCarlismEnjoyerholding hands was preceived without our modern over added meaning compare to this biblical command. 1 Thessalonians 5:26 Greet all the brethren with an holy kiss.

[@bethanyann1060]

I knew something wasn’t right when I heard an interview with Eve Tushnet. Thanks for this video!

[@mi-ka-eltheguardian3837]

" love is love! Whatever that means" . I know you didn't mean to be funny, but you actually were 😂😂

[@JerryRea]

I have been married for 38 years. My best friend from high school have no trouble saying I love you and we mean philial love.

[@airinkujo3207]

this is especially prominent in the anime community, if one character even just so compliments another character of the same sex they are instantly called gay. then these fans get upset when their head canon doesn’t come true and call it queerbaiting.

[@piotrwisniewski70]

Same applies to male-female characters tho

[@DivineMercyCatechesis]

In a way, this is kind of a reason why I’m feel odd about publicly sharing my Sunny Town comics (which is about six anthropomorphic rabbits being best friends) because I know some weirdos will take a friendship in the series and say they’re gay. Though I guess I shouldn’t really worry too much about it.

[@rebeccabaumgarten7573]

I came to this comment section expecting everyone to be talking about Frodo and Sam, and y’all did not disappoint.

[@xravenx24fe]

Theres nothing wrong with a loving, platonic friendship with the boys. If anything i think guys naturally want to have their own small pack of equals, we like to push and challenge each other while not having that sexual tension we'd have with women present.

[@outoforbit-]

I know a gay woman who lived a gay lifestyle, she had a trajedy in her life and turned to Christianity. Years later she is now dating a man. I thougt that same sex attraction can be healed, but maybe not for everyone. Anyway, the woman Im referring to had a very distorted opinion of men.

[@jouzelfeather-pelt7686]

Never put limits on God. I don't think it's a matter of healing, but temptations proposed by demons.

[@quint2857]

So she got brainwashed.

[@outoforbit-]

@@quint2857 not quite, she was attacked when she was a teenager by a predator.

[@endtimeawakening5557]

I tend to look at the idea of relationships between the genders in a more simplistic way, by studying nature. The animal kingdom procreates using both genders, which seems to be the way it was all designed. I know that when we're talking about man, it gets much more complex with psychology, childhoods, abuse, etc. We're dealing with more complex issues within the human community, but the design for procreation is no different than that of the animal kingdom. I only know to pray for those that may be confused about these things. God bless! ❤

[@johnsix.51-69]

Superbad was the first movie that I took my now wife to see in theaters when we first started talking. 🤣🤣 I'm sorry, but I love that movie too.

[@serpentsepia6638]

It seems like the LGBTQ community fail to interpret the Bible through historical and cultural context just as atheists and protestants. When reading and understanding Bible verses, one always has to understand the culture and never by its word value alone, mainly because English translation doesn't always interpret correctly. The same goes for Latin and, even in some instances, Greek. Also, confusing love through friendship with romance reminds me of the movie, Chasing Amy.

[@garywoodburn4292]

Some students in the university I went to would say that Sam and Frodo were also gay.

[@zwijac]

Trent, there is a gal on the internet who just did a rebuttal of Fr. Mikes catechism in a year.... Regarding Mary's Perpetual virginity. Please find it and correct her publicly!

[@uchi9]

I friggen called this. I remember reading frog and toad back in elementary school and really admired their friendship. Fast forward to today and lookie here, the Alphabet people are claiming these two as more than friends. Gay is not the way.

[@housecry]

Trent, are you going to make a response video to George Farmer and Allie Beth Stuckey's Catholic vs Protestant debate on Candace Owens' podcast?

[@dawnbreaks661]

I'm not exactly sure what is meant by "disinterested friendships." I think that an amount of sexual attraction between a Catholic with SSA and some of their friends is inevitable. I would argue that it gives the attraction too much power to respond by avoiding friendships with members of the same sex due to a slight attraction. Maybe I'm alone in this, but I kinda think "Get over yourself!" when that happens, since attraction to a particular person can be pretty fleeting. As a Catholic with SSA, yes, on occasion I have male friends whom I have been attracted to. We stand on the same page, and so in that sense there is no ambiguity in that they know that even if I have a sexual attraction and inclination to them or other males, I want to avoid sexual activity or contact. Sure, it can suck sometimes, but it seems far worse to throw away a good and close friendship with someone due to a fleeting sexual attraction. Frankly, I don't really think about it as much as one might think, and some of my friends and I even joke with each other about it. I would also like to clarify whether or not the idea that men cannot be "just friends" with women due to their complementarity and due to sexual tension was drawn as an analogy to Catholics with SSA and members of the same sex. I would counter that with the idea that the way heterosexual persons are attracted to the opposite sex is very different from how people with SSA are attracted to the same sex such that deep and intimate friendships with other members of the same sex can actually be very healing and fulfil a human need, even if there was an initial attraction. I think there is a wound that people with SSA can sometimes carry where being close to a member of the same sex is the preface to sex, but the answer to that is not to throw away the friendships due to that conditioning and attraction, but to be shown how to live out a close, chaste bond with the same sex, which, in turn, can help to heal that wound. Sorry for the essay!XD

[@obl7vi0n]

Sodomy is not an act of love but of hatred and humiliation.

[@MasterMote]

Or narcissism. Very often it's narcissism.

[@DigitalLogos]

It's a violence against the self and another. Completely contrary to the second Great Commandment.

[@tomato-ir9xs]

Catholicism literally says that babies are born filthy sinners with original sin and need cleansing. If that's not hatred and humiliation, I don't what is!

[@tomato-ir9xs]

@@MasterMote - So loving another person is narcissism? Lol.

[@obl7vi0n]

@@tomato-ir9xs What point are you trying to make? That sodomy isn’t an act of hatred or that the Catholic Church is bad because it doesn’t conform to your poor understanding of reality? Surely if we didn’t have original sin no one would engage in such a filthy act like sodomy

[@BoondockBrony]

Hey Trent, I find it funny you use Frog and Toad in your thumbnail since the author *was* gay and I forgot if it was him or his daughter after his death that said it the books were subtly a projection of that. I am *not* an affirming Protestant, but I just wanted to point that out. You pick up some weird facts when you look at what you liked in your childhood.

[@hamicestormgladiator]

John Boswell, a homosexual academic, also tried to make the story of Saints Sergius and Bacchus a story of two homosexual lovers.

[@scroogemcduckismyspiritanimal]

They've done the same with Perpetua and Felicity :/

[@MathAdam]

Frog and Toad aren't even the same species.

[@carissstewart3211]

To a hammer, everything looks like a nail.

[@jesussaves6625]

I used to love the Frog and Toad books 🐸.

[@ericlucas82]

Dear men, Just be friends. Please. 🙏

[@JWBaSiTo]

14:25 call me a 25 year-old Hawaiian organ donor, cuz I was McLovin the ending speech about Superbad.

[@awokencatholic]

Same reason you should avoid having loving relationships with opposite-sex siblings

[@plantbakker7437]

Good video. It is a bit ridiculous that these activists are trying to conflate their disordered sexual desires with Biblical friendship and brotherly love. Even if it was possible for two homosexual men to be together in a chaste partnership, not friendship, the thing that brought them together to this very partnership is their sexual attraction to each other. The very reason why this partnership exists is a disordered desire. They go as far as to question the nature of their desires, just to give more space to them and justify them in the end. Trying to blurry the lines between friendship and homosexuality. It is very clear their reason does not govern their desires, but their desires lead to rationalizations. Nothing could be more important than their homosexual proclivities, not even the word of God.

[@tomato-ir9xs]

Believing in catholicism is disordered.

[@LandYall]

keeping our thoughts in God's Word can show us wonderful, Godly images of friendship (David and Jonathan, Ruth and Naomi, etc.) ... let us leave the World to stew in its Sin and prepare our souls for Christ's return

[@elizabethagnes5994]

THAT WHAT’S I’VE BEEN SAYING SINCE DAY 1! What happened to true friendship? Not a fan of Miley Cyrus now, but Hannah Montana’s song, True Friends, is my favorite.

[@ponti5882]

They J.K. Rowling’d Frog and Toad huh.. what a shame.

[@JuanMPalacio]

You say that men and women can’t just be friends because of the sexual tension that doesn’t allow them to be honest with one another. I think that’s totally wrong.

[@junacebedo888]

How can it be totally wrong?

[@JuanMPalacio]

@@junacebedo888 I am friends with several women with whom there there is no sexual tension whatsoever. We’re platonic friends and there is nothing preventing us from being honest with each other.

[@TheCounselofTrent]

@@JuanMPalacio It isn't a universal truth but would you agree you're more likely to have sexual tension with a female friend than a male friend?

[@JuanMPalacio]

@@TheCounselofTrentYes, it is more likely. In the video it sounded like you used it as part of your argument. A man and a woman can’t be friends without sexual tension restraining it, therefor two gay people can’t be friends without that same tension. I don’t think every friendship between a man and a woman has such a tension. I don’t disagree with the entire video, mainly just that example.

[@junacebedo888]

@@JuanMPalacio How about your friendship with your male friends? Do your male buddies or buddy get along with your female buddies? Meaning just you two males among a bunch of females. When your female friends talks about girlie stuff like menstruation or manicure or hair stule, breast enlargement, do you feel awkward? Do you make suggestion?

[@zwijac]

The argument against the two Catholic lesbians living together in a relationship, with the intention of never being intimate, seems elementary in critiquing. You don't have to go so in-depth. Assuming that at least once in their lives, the "Catholic" lesbians confessed homosexual sins of the flesh.... in order for those sins to be forgiven, they had to resolve to avoid the near-occasion of that sin in the future. Case closed. Can't be a lesbian living with a lesbian and claim Catholicism.

[@bookishbrendan8875]

Trent, can you respond to both Gavin and Ruslan’s responses to Candace Owen’s recent discussion between Protestantism and Catholicism?

[@yerieljohn]

I hug and cry with some of my male friends

[@Happyland1971]

I'm a Christian, and I never realized that it might be wrong for me to have close friendships with the opposite sex. Did I misunderstand Trent, or was he saying that we should only be friends with the same sex??? Genuinely curious here.

[@Golden-berry]

1:29 Not everything has to be gay.

[@AJKPenguin]

The phrase _Love is Love_ is bigoted and shortsighted of history and etymology and Love itself.

[@elinorris1739]

superbad is such a good movie i agree

[@DungNguyen-vn3eu]

Satan is just trying every single way for people to go against God and his Will for us.

[@mitromney]

I have a son, he's just past preschool. Like it or not, I am instinctively terrified of him being close with other boys on our neighborhood. I know this hurts my child in some way, but I couldn't sleep peacefully if I knew he is too close with any of his male friends. I am deliberately cutting his time with them, and closely monitoring his interests, conversations and experiences with them at all times. You think I'm paranoid? Yes, perhaps I am. 1 in 5 of Gen Z kids identify as LGBT. Gen Alpha, which is my son, has a prognosis to go much, much higher then that just in the next few years. Yes, I am scared to death. Because I know all too well this never was about "people being born gay" it's all happening through indoctrination of an ideology, perversion of natural desires with culture and porn. It's there to consume our children, strip them from their faith, their family, it's there to ruin a whole life of your child. If YOU aren't afraid of it, I don't know what kind of parent you are or how do you manage your everyday life. Yeah, I'm scared alright. They did it. Leftists finally turned me into what they always wanted to brand me as. I am a true, textbook definition of a homophobe. I have an ABNORMAL fear of LGBTQ agenda, that seems to be pouring on our kids from every corner of the internet, through public media and government, tic toc influencers and social media giants, even entertainment such as video games and Disney cartoons. It's everywhere, and I am petrified. I'm so sorry that my son is never going to have real male friendships, and is going to have to do without sleepovers and school trips... but I really do not think the blame for this situation is on me either. Our society is at its lowest moral point in generations. It is our duty as parents to protect our children in such times. Not just carelessly throwing them into such world, and shrug our shoulders as they get devoured because "they weren't strong enough". Looking at our society today... I honestly miss the pandemic. Lock these lunatics in their homes, PLEASE. Just leave my children be.

[@l21n18]

Seems a little paranoid

[@redacted428]

You should tell them if they don't lock themselves in their homes then they are anti-science super spreaders

[@jouzelfeather-pelt7686]

@@l21n18 Not really. As a person who has taken Early Childhood Education, this is a valid fear. There are children who are under the care of two people with SSA who say they have SSA and are telling classmates they “love” them. This is because their two “caregivers” are making them believe the relationship is normal. What’s more is that the child who is being told they are “loved” by another classmate cannot tell them it’s weird because that would be hate speech.

[@TheLordUrban]

I would worry that by not letting him develop normal close friendships with his peer you are increasing the likelihood that he will seek abnormal relationships later in life to make up for it.

[@eleonoremarymadone9859]

Either you could try to find a network of Catholic parents and let your son befriend their sons or you could try to give your son as many brothers as you can. I never needed deep friendships at school growing up because I have 5 sisters! lol They're my best friends, depending on the topic I go to one or the other, and depending on their personalities and ages also. I tell them different things. They do the same. I mean it's perfect. They'll be my bridesmaid and everything. Just a thought.

[@maciejpieczula631]

Perhaps the word "disordered", because disorder implies chaos and no real direction, should be changed to "misordered"?, because in same-sex attraction there is an order, just not in the proper direction.

[@maciejpieczula631]

@Christine Vress no, there's misorder.

[@emiliawisniewski3947]

"dis" has the definition that you are pointing to. It simply means 'not', i.e. disordered - not ordered. "mis" has the definition of "bad or wrong." Disordered is the stronger term as if there is a lack of order one can't argue that order can be achieved in any case. Whereas misorder can be aligned as the order is already underlying it just needs to change direction.

[@JoeyG-o8r]

Excellent video sir, never thought about it like that. Thank you for doing God's work.

[@Chicken_of_Bristol]

It seems to me that a key tell for if a non-sexual relationship is improperly ordered is exclusivity. Friendship isn't jealous, erotic love is.

[@eddardgreybeard]

When you were a kid and your buddies started getting girlfriends, jealousy did happen there, but it was a completely different sort of jealousy. But then you found a girl you were interested in and it stopped mattering.

[@Chicken_of_Bristol]

​@@eddardgreybeard I don't mean that you can't be jealous of your friends, but friendship isn't the kind of relationship where you reserve some activity or part of you for that other person. You can be jealous of your friend, but you shouldn't be jealous of your friend's other friendships.

[@eddardgreybeard]

@@Chicken_of_Bristol I acknowledged it was a completely different sort of jealousy, one where you feel like you're losing a friend but you know that you're growing up and you just might not be quite ready for that change yet.

[@simtime7591]

So non of these people have ever had a besty mate at school then.. My best friend at school was in my class, and we went everywhere together, we were close, blood brothers, nothing Gay about us, we even went after the same girls to try and get them to date us, and even went out on dates together with our girlfriends, and then later on, our wives... all this way of sexual thinking, just shows how Godless and empty thier lives really are..

[@markcharron]

So that means marriage is "interested friendship"... spouses love with the expectation of collecting interest on their spouse. SSA people are called to a love that gives without expectation of collecting interest. That is a higher love.

[@believer8793]

Always appreciate you Trent horn and your wisdom and ability to explain to us in simple terms. But help me to understand I notice Catholics watch controversial movies that could inspire or dirty our souls and that Christ would not be happy for us to watch, should we not have the mindset that Christ is with us always wherever we go and whatever we do? Please I’m not trying to be rude or offensive I’m just trying to understand or maybe it’s my Protestant mindset getting in the way? Thank you

[@scroogemcduckismyspiritanimal]

You'd have to be more specific about which movies. Some movies deal in dark themes or have characters participating in sinful lifestyles but the overall message conveys how destructive those lifestyles are. If it has a good message then the depiction of the lifestyle, to a certain level, is mitigated

[@believer8793]

@@scroogemcduckismyspiritanimal Trent mentioned that he watched a controversial movie on this video and this is why I ask this question

[@kauffner]

In the old days, you just said "No homo" and did a fist shake. Problem solved!

[@HoldFastApolpgetics]

Oh no…not Frog and Toad 🐸💔

[@_Nasrani_]

These people will loose their mind if they watch RRR.

[@lorenzobianchini4415]

If a heterosexual man who has attraction to a woman it is impossible to be friends not least because the husband of the wife would rightly feel threatened.A woman couldnt be friends either if she is married.

[@reptile1687]

ok but doesnt this also apply to heterosexuality?

[@reptile1687]

@@kacperfrontczak1257 well no, he says if two men are friends they will be considered gay but if a man is friends with a woman they would be considered to be in love with eachother,

[@reptile1687]

@@kacperfrontczak1257 you seem to forget that about homosexuality too

[@Daniel_Abraham1099]

Yo what happend to the nintendo wii intro?

[@nikadgod5152]

"lgbt" will forever be lettuce gay bacon and tomato for me

[@busterdouglas2250]

I thought the "g" in this context refers to guacamole?

[@nikadgod5152]

@@busterdouglas2250 boondocks

[@quint2857]

Gay bacon?

[@melchior2678]

@@busterdouglas2250 nope. The G stands for Groomer

[@supernerd8067]

Reminds me of the Naruto and MHA fandoms.

[@TheEarthRealm]

2:05 There's no such thing as 'identifying' as gay. Either you are, or you aren't.

[@Eh-Mungu-Nguvu-Yetu-q8p]

Yes the whole idea of identity as is just sickening

[@fernandoperez8587]

Very well said

[@stevenroberts3148]

WHY WOULD THEY DO THIS!!!

[@supermandefender]

I absolutely could not allow the likes on this channel to be 666. It's now 667.

[@blue_hoodie9987]

So is there something wrong with shipping characters?

[@aaron1983]

☹️☹️☹️☹️☹️☹️☹️☹️☹️☹️ layers and layers, Jesus talked about this.