The Bible Is Entirely True | Ron-(CA) | Talk Heathen 05.43

[@darkprime584]

"I picked up the Bible and read it and misunderstood everything, until someone else told me what it meant" That doesn't seem like a great trademark for "god's book"

[@paulsilsby5355]

So God was incapable of writing a book that his creations (in his own image) could not understand. Utterly brilliant , why should he do that ???

[@timsmith530]

You needed help. Ask for help

[@markheron2608]

It's also a testament to his shameful level of reading comprehension and competence. It's simultaneously naïve and arrogant for Ron to presume that he was misunderstanding the words and alleged messages in the Bible, and that it must have some hidden meaning that required someone with "expertise" to show it to him. The embarrassing truth is that Ron is an intellectually stunted infant who was indoctrinated to believe ancient unproven claims BEFORE he ever learned how to properly reason. I'll bet my entire life savings that if Ron or the world's foremost cleric presented this drivel to 100,000 adults who never grew up with religious influence or we're exposed to it culturally in any significant way, that over 95% of those adults would find it unconvincing. This crap is only convincing to people who subscribe to pathetic epistemological standards and/or those who are emotionally weak and afraid.

[@ronhansen8471]

@@paulsilsby5355 The bible was written for those people who deserve to know.

[@ronhansen8471]

@@markheron2608 said: It's also a testament to his shameful level of reading comprehension and competence. Ron's response: I'm not the same Ron as the caller. You do realize that the bible was written in illustrations and metaphors for people with right heart and genuine interest in knowing the truth. Everyone else the bible is filled with errors, fiction and a fairy tale @Mark Heron said: It's simultaneously naïve and arrogant for Ron to presume that he was misunderstanding the words and alleged messages in the Bible, and that it must have some hidden meaning that required someone with "expertise" to show it to him. Ron's response: Jesus Christ had to explain his illustrations to his disciples. @Mark Heron said: The embarrassing truth is that Ron is an intellectually stunted infant who was indoctrinated to believe ancient unproven claims BEFORE he ever learned how to properly reason. Ron's response: What is the matter with you. Why the insulting language? If you are not an intellectually stunted infant yourself give me some examples that prove otherwise? @Mark Heron said: I'll bet my entire life savings that if Ron or the world's foremost cleric presented this drivel to 100,000 adults who never grew up with religious influence or we're exposed to it culturally in any significant way, that over 95% of those adults would find it unconvincing. Ron's response: You assumption is probably right. But then a wicked spirit creature is ruler over the kings of the earth and uses the worlds religions as a sounding board for his lies and deception. However there is a God that allows sheep like ones to learn the truth. @Mark Heron said: This crap is only convincing to people who subscribe to pathetic epistemological standards and/or those who are emotionally weak and afraid. Ron"s response: People like you are always so complementary in your self made intellect. Us stupid ones couldn't possibly stand a chance with your brilliance. Is that what you call true Christians emotionally weak and afraid? I find your comment to be pathitic as ignorant as they get. You are on the outside looking in because people like you simply do not deserve to know what the bible teaches.

[@dukeemzworth3005]

Mark Twain on the Bible : "It is full of interest. It has noble poetry in it, some clever fables, some blood-drenched history, some good morals, a wealth of obscenity and upwards of a thousand lies." "The easy confidence with which I know another man's religion is folly teaches me to suspect that my own is also." - Mark Twain.

[@apollo8352]

Mark Twain also said " the best cure for religion is to actually read the bible."

[@ahall9839]

@@apollo8352 It may be the best cure but unfortunately it's like chemotherapy vs cancer

[@MagicofAramis]

​@@apollo8352hi, just wanted to remind everyone of Mark Twain's most important words, as evidenced by the fact that he kept saying them throughout his life : "Hello, I'm Mark Twain!"

[@paulgemme6056]

Yes, man's religion is folly. Jesus Christ is the way, the truth and the life, no man shall know the Father except through him. No religion needed. Just faith, faith plus nothing. If a man says he has never done wrong/sinned he is a liar and truth is not in him. We are not sinners because we sin, we sin because we are sinners. We inherit a condition - a sinful condition and Christ Jesus is the only one who has the cure.

[@ZenWithKen]

Ron's correct in that Christianity helped shape Canada. Without the Catholic Church's help, all those First Nations children wouldn't have been buried in all those unmarked graves by all of those residential schools across Canada. Thanks for pointing that out Ron! Your god and your religion are awesome!

[@CyberBeep_kenshi]

Yes, EXACTLY, about 10.000 children........ And then endless abuse. Like 330.000 in France in JUST the last 50 years, that we know of.... It's just sick.

[@2020-p2z]

Christian churches set up shop in Australia and had a huge role in the Stolen Generations. Aboriginal kids were kidnapped and indoctrinated into Christianity, and trained to do menial jobs. Christianity. Turning indigenous kids into skeletons since circa 100 AD.

[@HarryNicNicholas]

religion has two uses, enabling bullies and forgiving bullies.

[@kellydalstok8900]

The catholic church killed and sold children in Ireland too.

[@amandacogger3075]

@@kellydalstok8900 isn't there still the war going on between different sects as well?

[@yankeesplyr23]

“God is real because I have a shitty imagination” might be the worst argument I’ve ever heard.

[@ronhansen8471]

Peoples, imagination is only as good as their perspective of the world.

[@jsmall10671]

The argument of personal incredulity

[@TheSnoeedog]

there's a call from years ago, hosted by Lloyd and (i think) matt, where the caller claims that god spoke to him by spelling out messages in his cheerios. *CHEERIOS* WHAT FUCKING WORDS CAN YOU SPELL WITH CHEERIOS, OTHER THAN "OOOOOOOOOO....."??!?!? MAYBE GOD IS CASPER?

[@arthurwieczorek4894]

Explanationwise, before God comes advanced alien civilization.

[@TheSnoeedog]

@@arthurwieczorek4894 I'm pretty sure that the *absolute parody of an argument* that creationists make about "a tornado through a junkyard producing a 747" (as a way to dismiss "random" natural processes combining to generate life) is also, fundamentally more probably and a better explanation than -Tinkerbell- -Peter Pan- -Gord- god (holy shit, Siri, where were you?!!)

[@craigmanuel771]

Katy has the most amazing way of pointing out the flaws in your argument while disarming you with her smile.

[@noel7950]

100% she's one of my favourite hosts

[@michaelmercer8054]

She’s amazing, not gonna lie I’ve got a bit of a crush on her

[@theunknown6056]

​@@michaelmercer8054 She's a trans woman.

[@whispersmith]

​@@theunknown6056 so

[@goinggoinggone535]

@@theunknown6056 And?

[@jeffparent2159]

Anyone who claims the Bible is completely true has never read the Bible nor know anything about history.

[@drlegendre]

Or reality in general.

[@jackthebassman1]

Absolutely right.

[@Heathen.Deity.]

What do you mean?!? But the Bible says it’s true! 😂😂😂

[@jee6213]

Or they’re lying. *apologists*

[@annk.8750]

And it isn't necessary to prove any of the bible at all. For a claim that it all true, all you need to disprove is any one item.

[@hdub8093]

Ron, Ron, Ron: BELIEF IS NOT PROOF OR EVIDENCE

[@ronhansen8471]

Belief in a God is not based on credulity. We have God's written word and can decide for ourselves whether or not it's valid.

[@ronhansen8471]

Did I say belief was proof? I said "We have God's written word and can decide for ourselves whether or not it's valid" The word "It's" means God's written word the bible. Unless a person reads the bible with understanding they will never know.

[@stevepierce6467]

@@ronhansen8471 Utter nonsense. To do anything "with understanding" means having sufficient knowledge and experience to make sense of what one reads. A child of 5 has no understanding of sophisticated themes, which is why schools don't teach Shakespeare in kindergarten. Many fundamentalists seem to reject much of what is out there to learn because their pastors tell them it contradicts the holy book, so they are never allowed to reach "understanding".

[@ronhansen8471]

@@stevepierce6467 I have no argument with your assessment and especially Christendom that includes all of the worlds religions. However I have to disagree with your comment on 5 year olds not having understanding of sophisticated themes. There are many youngster who understand for example the concept of advanced mathematics, my wife and her daughter could read well at 2 years old. I know some children who have a pretty good vocabulary and understanding of their world. However when in comes to God's word the bible there is only one interpretation and only those people with God's spirit will be able to understand what it teaches and why. To those who do not have God's spirit will see the bible as a fairy tale book or will interpret it to fit their life style. Others interpret the bible to fit their educated biases. There is nothing wrong with getting and education or learning science with a few exceptions. What it boils down to is that each person needs to make a choice which way they will go and stick to it. As one of Jehovah's Witnesses I have made the choice to serve my God Jehovah based on the truth not on the lies and deception being taught by the worlds religions. Soon all religions will be gone as stated in the book of Revelation chapter 17 and the issues going on with Ukraine, Russia, Briton and the US is noted on Daniel chapter 11. in this instance the king of the North is Russia and the king of the South is the Anglo/American world power.

[@stevepierce6467]

@@ronhansen8471 Children, no matter how brilliant, simply lack the world experiences which form the basis for "understanding" complex abstract concepts. For this reason we do not allow children to make binding legal decisions until 18 or 21. You must know that a claim that "there is only one interpretation..." is utterly meaningless without concrete evidence. Every sect claims that theirs is the only correct one. There is absolutely no possible way to discern who, if anyone, has "god's spirit" without presenting concrete evidence. Which exactly are "the few exceptions" to getting an education and learning science? The things that contradict your religious dogma? A few thousand people have been killed in Ukraine. Surely World War II was a better signal for the "end times" with its 65,000,000 victims, and yet, here we are! The end times are definitely coming, but you are off by about 4,500,000,000 years. I personally had a vision when I read Revelation, and I am sure that Luxembourg is king of the north and Tonga is king of the south.😃

[@asdpoqwer3727]

Ron has no arguments or critical thinking skills.

[@iwanwillemse7703]

none at all

[@perryegolson833]

@@iwanwillemse7703 Of course not. He is a typical brainwashed theist.

[@markjones8487]

That's a bit harsh, to say that tbh!!.

[@fredbmurphy]

Roman Catholicism had several councils where the existing Pope and Emporer, helped formulate early Christianity. And it's flowered into over 4000 disagreeing denominations. The Bible was decided upon by humans. But the Catholics and the Protestants can't get even their 10 commandments to aline.

[@TheCyrix1]

@@perryegolson833 "Of course not. He is a typical brainwashed theist." Theists CAN'T be brainwashed : It first requires a brain !

[@sydneybristow5588]

Ron acts like humans are incapable of writing fiction. His arguments are just embarrassing at best.

[@kellydalstok8900]

It’s the only book he possesses and most likely hasn’t read.

[@andreungerer3531]

Well said.

[@teuast]

right? would hate to play dnd with him

[@Atnarion]

its funny because the sumerians were already making fictions like Gilgames.

[@TornadoCAN99]

Guess he never read Shakespeare....

[@jocec3283]

“It is difficult to free fools from the chains they revere.” - Voltaire

[@amzproductions7648]

This should be in the Bible if it not already is.

[@rlstine4982]

Believers are not idiots, for the most part. They just did not take enough time to study.

[@gabe6646]

​@@rlstine4982or they were indoctrinated into all manner of slightly different beliefs and behaviors, that's a powerful force on some people

[@rlstine4982]

@@gabe6646 actually, my appreciation has changed since then. It is a problem of self-reinforcement for "searching patterns and finding them". Some were indoctrinated indeed, and when looking for proofs of God's existence, they "find them". Others had "personal experiences" that they attributed to God. But because it is attributed to God, it proves God is true, self-reinforcing the belief.

[@gabe6646]

@@rlstine4982 I agree, and have nothing to add :)

[@az8theist977]

Ron: "The Bible shaped western civilization" Me: "True. Are you including slavery in that claim?"

[@robinvan1983]

It is stupid, because the enlightenment period was a result from the greek and Roman civilisations with added Persian Knowlege. So that minimizes the effect of the bible

[@satanwasframed5083]

I hate the Bible too but that is a bit unfair of a statement. Slavery has been around way longer than the Bible and was legal by a vast majority of civilizations. Not saying i agree with it but I dont think slavery is specifically the Bibles fault lol. The same western civilization that ended the legality of slavery worldwide. I think Katy says it best. Theyve all influenced good and bad.

[@az8theist977]

@@satanwasframed5083 Slavery is not the Bibles "fault" but the old testament sure as shit tells you how to conduct slavery practices. Exodus 21 is the blueprint. And saying slavery was around a lot longer than the bible is simply not true. The fables of the OT were passed down from bullshit originating thousands of years before.

[@satanwasframed5083]

@@az8theist977 lol so you think slavery has only been around for a few thousand years? Explain the ancient hindu temples built by slavery, the egyptian pyramids built by slaves, the aztec and Mayan pyramids that were built by slaves. Crazy enough after the slaves were done with a structure they were all sacrificed to the Aztec gods the next day or so. So how did the Bible shape that one? Those people never heard of the Bible and managed to have blueprints for slavery. Some blueprints were a lot worse. At least in the Bible they didn't genocide the slaves when they were done with their task. Im not defending the Bible but im not going to pretend its the absolute worst when it comes to cultural influence. Dont let your hatred for something turn you into a knot of biased BS. Learn your history and look at the issues objectionable. Thats why I do not subscribe to a political party. Both have become biased extremists that will destroy everyone that gets in their way.

[@az8theist977]

@@satanwasframed5083 YAWN....Your reply is comical in it's simplicity. "Knot of biased BS" LOL!! I made no claim about history or ancient civilizations regarding slavery. Only a refutation of the original posters claim about the Bible shaping western civilization while disregarding slavery in the book. Perhaps you should learn to read actual comments before interjecting YOUR OWN BIASES.

[@machestro7]

'The Bible is entirely true.' 'Yawn. Bats aren't birds. Next.'

[@Arkloyd]

Animals don't get their markings from the patterns their parents were staring at as they rutted. *Next!*

[@alext7074]

"Why do you believe the bible is true?" "Because I believe the bible is true" "Yes, but what convinced you?" "Well, I believe............." "Yes, we get it, you believe it's true but WHY?" "Because I believe....." 🤦🏼‍♂️

[@FourDeuce01]

What we have here is failure to communicate.😂

[@corydorastube]

Belief in belief.

[@PaulBrown-uj5le]

Complete nonsense is what the bible is.

[@BFDT-4]

And HOW? How do you know it's true? Who told Ron these things?

[@Julian0101]

@@BFDT-4 Duh.. the bible told him obviously. /s

[@dienekes4364]

Ron's argument boiled down: _My religion must be true because I'm more impressed with my religion than any other and I am so perfect, I couldn't possibly be wrong!!!_

[@ronhansen8471]

You guys don't get it. It is not about religion. Religion is just a word. The truth is the truth and a person either recognizes it or he doesn't. It is like the sheep that will respond to their shepherd voice when called and not a stranger. Also true Christians are recognized by the love they have for one another. People of the worlds religions do not have love for one another and it is apparent by world conditions.

[@dienekes4364]

@@ronhansen8471 _"You guys don't get it."_ -- "You guys"? This really shows how divisive your childish fairy tales are. Throw everyone who doesn't buy into your superstitions into one bucket and then proceed to crap all over them. But your's is a religion of love, right? _"It is not about religion."_ -- No, it's about the mindset that allows religion to infiltrate and destroy rational thinking. _"Religion is just a word."_ -- No. Again, it's a _mindset._ _"The truth is the truth and a person either recognizes it or he doesn't."_ -- And the mindset that allows you to believe in childish, idiotic, self-contradictory fairy tales not just despite not having ANY evidence, but despite having mountains of evidence against it is the problem. That kind of irrational thinking bleeds into every aspect of a person's life, especially those that don't practice logical, rational thinking (both intentionally and unintentionally). Religion _TRAINS_ people to reject any evidence that disputes their belief system. It is insidious and evil by its very nature. _"It is like the sheep that will respond to their shepherd voice when called and not a stranger."_ -- I don't understand this analogy at all. I don't see how Pavlovian reactions relate to someone being trained to ignore evidence. _"Also true Christians are recognized by the love they have for one another."_ -- First, this is a "No True Scotsman" fallacy. There is nothing about xianity that demands love for your fellow lunatics. Second, it's very divisive. Xians only have love for fellow xians and screw everyone else? Is that what you think Jebus taught? The foundation of xianity is Judaism, which advocated slavery, not just of non-Jews but also of fellow Jews. I find it hard to reconcile "love for fellow lunatics" and "enslavement of fellow lunatics". That isn't even mentioning selling your own daughters off as sex-slaves, and murdering your children for talking back to you. _"People of the worlds religions do not have love for one another and it is apparent by world conditions."_ -- Wait... you just said, _"true Christians are recognized by the love they have for one another."_ but now you are saying that the problem with the world is that xians DON'T have love for one another? (By the way, I would whole-heartedly agree with that sentiment, which is one reason why religions, ALL religions, are so anti-social, anti-humanitarian, and the bane of all civilized societies).

[@ronhansen8471]

@@dienekes4364 I would chase your comment but anymore it just isn't worth my time or effort. You all dance around the same theme and it gets old. Lu 22:53; 2Co 4:4; 11:14, 15.

[@dienekes4364]

@@ronhansen8471 In other words, you refuse to be open-minded enough to actually understand anything that _might_ show your beliefs as childish and irrational. Yeah, I get it. You think regurgitating bible verses shows what a pathetic victim you are. So sad. You can't defend your beliefs, and you can't refute anything I've said, so, instead, you just dismiss it and run away with your tail between your legs.

[@dienekes4364]

@@ronhansen8471 God himself will kill tens of thousands if it pleases him: 1st Samuel 6:19 in the King James Version: “And he smote the men of Beth-shemesh, because they had looked into the ark of the LORD, even he smote of the people fifty thousand and threescore and ten men (50,070)”. Kill 50 000 men for looking at something?

[@benwhitnell]

“I’m speaking of Judeo-Christian values” over and over again. There is no such thing, they are conflicting ideologies man, if you’re one you can’t be the other.

[@johnwilson5743]

Yes, Ben, absolutely correct. I've grown tired of theists, particularly Christians, trying to tie together the old testament (Judean Tora) with the combined Tora/new testament bible. Judeans (Jews) do not believe that Jesus was the son of god. That's just the beginning of the "clash" of idealogies.

[@dlandon2000]

I like to change it to judeo-christ-lamic tradition. That usually gets them riled up because they often don't like to be associated with islam.

[@benwhitnell]

@@dlandon2000 right, if you’re going to accept the flimsy “acknowledge the Old Testament” logic then you need to include the other “people of the book.”

[@simplicityistheultimatesop6571]

@@dlandon2000 that’s because the Quran contradicts the old and New Testament.

[@simplicityistheultimatesop6571]

@@benwhitnell Are you aware of the differences between the teachings of the different people of the book?

[@germtheory1257]

ron is a walking fallacy

[@adithyarajchoorikat9904]

Hosts are too nice to let him be like that. Where is Matt or Jimmy when we need???

[@alanthomson1227]

Spelt phallus as he’s o total prick

[@bishopconnor]

ron is a walking phallus

[@brucebaker810]

Presuming facts not in evidence. Have you observed him walking?

[@brucebaker810]

@Account NumberEight Christ. Offer walkin'

[@milkenobi]

This is a prime case of post-hoc rationalisation. It’s unlikely that Ron read the Bible and said “wow, this starts by talking about God? Well I’m convinced!” What more likely occurred is that Ron was converted for more irrational or emotional reasoning and is now rationalising trivial things to fit within his worldview.

[@kellydalstok8900]

But Ron is an expert on comparative religion. He says so himself.

[@ronhansen8471]

I hate to burst your bubble but I have read the bible cover to cover many times. Reading the bible will not help you learn what it teaches. How many times have you read and studied the bible?

[@milkenobi]

@@ronhansen8471 4 full read throughs, start to finish along with loads of reading over 14 years of international ministry and a Bible college degree. So yeah, I guess a bit.

[@Catholictomherbert]

There’s nothing wrong with the biblical worldview. Just the people slogans and criticisms of it make man disobey and commit all these crimes in the world

[@jonnawyatt]

@@Catholictomherbert Like slavery, child rape...?

[@UlexiteTVStoneLexite]

The wisdom of allowing slavery is so great?!!? The wisdom of saying women are property is so great???

[@amyv8416]

Ron conveniently forgot those bits. Selective reading.

[@jameswade2613]

@@amyv8416 Ron didn't forget those bits. He basically said that you need someone else to interpret the bible for you. In other words if you read it on your own, you will come to a different conclusion about what it says, than mainstream Christianity & they car'nt have that other wise, they lose coverts & money.

[@UlexiteTVStoneLexite]

@Account NumberEight I definitely agree I think that was overlooked it was a missed opportunity. If I were in on the call I would have been pointing those things out immediately.

[@amyv8416]

@@jameswade2613 I must have selectively ignored those comments. In the past 5 years, I have lost any tolerance I may have once had for that level of ignorance and stupidity.

[@amyv8416]

@Account NumberEight Matt certainly would not have let him go on as long as he did here. Can someone call in and make a negative number of good points? If so, this guy did it.

[@telsonater]

I love how Katie made the point that Muslims say it’s impossible for the Quran to have been written by humans, then Ron proceeds to make that exact same point for Christianity.

[@cryptofacts4u]

Much like many theists, this caller when asked for why he believes something, merely repeats what it is that he believes.

[@biteyalmighty7874]

Why do you believe? I have a 1,001 reasons. Could you tell us your favorite? Because I believe it's believable. Alright, but WHY do you believe that? Because I believe that I believe it's believable.

[@kamion53]

@@biteyalmighty7874 that's is what I would call, having no tail but still chasing it like a dog.

[@VestigialHead]

I wonder what happened at school when the teachers tried to explain rationality and reason to these people? Did they just gloss over and stare out the window?

[@biteyalmighty7874]

@@kamion53 Dave Allen: Pope: "You are like a man totally blind-folded in a dark room looking for a black cat that is not there." Dave's dad: "With all respect, your holiness, I think there's great similarity between us both. As far as I'm concerned, you're also like a man who's blindfolded in a totally dark room looking for a black cat that isn't there. The only difference is that you found it.

[@kamion53]

@@biteyalmighty7874 heard this one before, did not know it came from Dave Allen.

[@electric_screams6581]

It’s like he thinks the Bible just appeared one day, rather than being a collection of books curated over 1,000 years.

[@briancomley8210]

lt was put together by the catholic church, who added parts while leaving others out.

[@az8theist977]

Well, the earth and heavens were CREATED in 6 days , so sure.....Gawd sat down and wrote his memoirs on the 7th day. Makes perfect sense. If you're a blithering idiot.....

[@devinbraun1852]

@@adamlangton1967 Sorry Adam, you need to do more research. Council of Nicene dealt with nature of Christ, not the canon. What are “all” of the non-canonical gospels preceding the 4 canonical? As far as I am aware, Thomas is the only one considered a potential precursor or even contemporary source to the canonical gospels; the remaining being 2nd C or later.

[@adamlangton1967]

@@devinbraun1852 There have literally been tens of thousands of changes made to the bible over time. tens of thousands. That ain't hard to research. Doesn't sound like the perfect word of god to me. Sounds like a book, just like any other book.

[@ManoverSuperman]

@@adamlangton1967 Devin is right about Nicea, and you are correct about the swaths of editorial work done to many texts of the Bible, especially those that comprise the Tanakh. Some scholars suggest, for example, that the book of Daniel as we have it in our Bibles today was the product of multiple redactions and additions to the text, the original only comprising 2:4b-7:28, which is the Aramaic portion of the text. The entire first chapter and the last few chapters were likely added potentially decades later as a prologue and post-hoc “prophesies” about the future respectively.

[@MG-ot2yr]

There's a lot in the Bible that is provably false.

[@technobrain1461]

Such as " Everything you asked by faith in my name, You'll receive it. " This claim is demonstrably false.

[@freddan6fly]

Ants have no queen and four legs in the buybull.

[@grantwing4942]

What it says about everyone's favourite animal, the bat.

[@nofairytales5604]

Amen.

[@keithherring7677]

It's so demonstrably false that people come here day after day to hear about it, spending the only time they believe they will ever have on something they say is provably false.

[@Locust13]

"there's a thousand examples like these!" 1000 zeros still equals 0

[@BFDT-4]

Ron, claims are not evidence. Claims cannot be used to back up claims.

[@Heathen.Deity.]

Exactly. He says he has 1,001 reasons for believing the Bible is true, but every one he gave was garbage. I think he needs to realise that one item that isn’t evidence for his claim is the same as 1,001 items that aren’t evidence, as both add up to the same volume of evidence for his claim.

[@cade377]

Ron has just convinced himself that he's cracked the code that substantiates his existing belief.

[@lloydtucker5647]

In all fairness, Ron did answer the question. He said _"I believe the Bible is true."_ The hosts then asked Ron _"why do you believe the Bible is true?"_ The hosts *did not* ask ron to provide empirical evidence proving the Bible is true, there by asking him for his opinion and he gave it. Ron even stated _"I don't have proof like you would find in a laboratory."_ If Ron would have answered saying _"I believe the Bible is true cause yo mama so fat"_ he would have still answered the host's question. No matter how arbitrary his opinions are, they don't have to be proven because they're just his opinions which he's entitled to have.

[@cade377]

@@lloydtucker5647 So, if I'm on a jury determining if someon will go to prison for life (or Death sentence) or they're acquitted, it's perfectly reasonable for me to just go with my gut feeling that they're guilty? Because.... feelings and that's what I believe ? What the hosts are trying to get him to look at is his reasoning for his belief.

[@lloydtucker5647]

@@cade377 I see your point and it's a good point. _"What the hosts are trying to get him to look at is his reasoning for his belief."_ Yes, but it's not going to be easy. I used to be a Christian fundamentalist having deconverted earlier this year (2021). There came a point where I had to sincerely ask my self _"why do I believe what I believe? and what _*_real_*_ evidence is there to support those beliefs?"_ As hard as I tried, I couldn’t find any evidence. I wanted what I believed to be true, but those beliefs couldn’t be proven. So, most likely I was believing lies. That’s a difficult thing for a person to come to terms with.

[@TallSilentGuy]

Poor old Ron has trouble understanding the difference between "What are the reasons?" and "How many reasons are there?". Don't be like Ron.

[@Zachorazor1]

@@nathanielthomson6600 Nicely put. And he isn't aware of that. It's truly hard not to feel sorry for him.

[@ronhansen8471]

Poor old Ron huh? Who is being deceived here? Dr Rick Marshall is either a professed Christian or an atheist or there is two Dr Rick Marshall. If he is Christian and rejects the bibles time line for Christ Jesus birth he is obviously uninformed or being stupid for the sake of an argument if he is a paleontologist and an atheist he is still uninformed and has no idea what the bible teaches. Apparently you bought into it. People are not think with critical thinking skills when the reject the truth and accept the lie without question.

[@ronhansen8471]

Poor old Ron has the truth for reasons given and most people prefer the lie based on many different reasons. It is about the wide and spacious road thing that people gravitate to. You know less work more room to move and the like.

[@irrelevant_noob]

And even if the question _was_ about how many there are... he kept saying hundreds and/or thousands, i doubt he can even list TEN. -.-

[@jaguarrising390]

It was implemented by the edge of a sword. It was forced by thousands on the millions.

[@Argeaux2]

Katy is one of my favourite hosts.

[@pixeldoc7119]

because…..

[@paulnejtek6588]

@@pixeldoc7119 her accent is kinda entertaining, she makes succinct points, is absurdly attractive

[@karlajaeger2082]

My theory on why accents are sexy is because it tells your brain, "very far from my group." That said my favorite accents are irish and kiwi.

[@joulian]

The guy's also wrong about other religions. Most (if not all) have an origin story that doesn't start with humans.

[@Hariester]

Guy just did not read anything in his life so he's fascinated with only thing he was presented with.

[@frankanderson5012]

I was frustrated that they didn’t pick up on that especially since he kept coming back to that as part of his evidence.

[@vaanea290]

Katy: just because the Koran is influential doesn't mean it's true. Ron: correct, just because it's influential doesn't mean it's true. Also Ron: it's true because it's influential. It's true because it's influential. It's true because it's influential.

[@CronoXpono]

Katy’s “like Jesus?” was so brutal, they should’ve warned for mature content 😂 goodness me, dude just stammered since he couldn’t square that particular circle.

[@billmauer8117]

Ron’s so-called evidence is that the Bible is a story that I like and it fits with my beliefs so therefore it must be true.

[@powbobs]

This guy has not read the Bible or any other supposedly holy book.

[@匕卄モ匕卄丹れKち]

He just regurgitating what he been brainwashed to believe.

[@alanthomson1227]

Or any book full stop

[@匕卄モ匕卄丹れKち]

Barely any Christian has actually read the Bible they just go by the interpretation of whatever denomination they’re part of especially the you tube Christian apologetics.

[@johnandersons]

No he admitted someone else told him what it meant. Like every preacher, pastor, holy man ever.

[@yoredeerleader]

There’s the conceit. “If I have to drop one part of the bible as silly/wrong, I have to drop the whole of the bible.” Exactly why you would claim the whole thing has to be true because doing otherwise means realising/admitting your entire belief structure is false and you might have wasted much of your life following that failed idea. The sunk cost fallacy.

[@Necro_Hexual]

He's so close...

[@2020-p2z]

So so close. Just read Genesis. The order of creation described in Genesis is incorrect. And that's just the fruit rotting on the ground. There are a lot of other contradictions and falsehoods in the bible.

[@HenrikDanielsson]

Also, which version of the book? There's no single "canonical" version of it when all of them have differences, so parts have already been removed, rearranged or added.

[@redmed10]

Ron perfectly sums up why Christians defend the Bible with no caveats. If they admit any part of it is wrong that's the thin end of the wedge which will demolish the whole of the rest of the bible. That's why they sound so crazy. They then damn themselves with the justifications they use to defend the nasty elements of the bible.

[@ManoverSuperman]

@@redmed10 I might even add that Christians make the central text of their religion even more fragile than any skeptic can. Why must the Bible be perfect? Why couldn’t a critical view of it also admit of some form (however contorted) of “truth”. Progressive Christians seem to manage it well enough, and at least they aren’t spreading bigotry everywhere. Better a deluded religious Progressive than a deluded religious Conservative imho.

[@Archermit]

Katy's comment "like Jesus" just ruined him haha

[@neilsiebenthal9254]

"you're not believing everything I say, therefore you're wrong" rons logic

[@jkryanspark]

Ron is easily impressed.

[@drlegendre]

"They had gods that were humans and humans that were gods" Like Jesus, you mean?

[@jaelin9107]

When he said that, I was thinking "you mean vengeful, jealous, human-shaped gods who do things like make mistakes, fail, lie and cheat on occasion, who have likes and dislikes and who favour their worshippers over others?"

[@johnosullivan675]

And he tried to pretend she never said that.

[@macmcdermid8677]

My interpretation after becoming indoctrinated is now true, even though it is completely contradictory of not only reality but itself. How do grown adults end up so massively intellectually dishonest, and why can't believers actually answer a simple question !! And for all you Christians, your holy book, can't prove your holy book's story is actually true, its the claim, not the evidence !! This guy is just one huge argument from ignorance !!

[@PaulBrown-uj5le]

Ignorant people can't shake their nonsense,.

[@keithherring7677]

The book says you can know God. Would you like to know the God of the BIble if he is real?

[@macmcdermid8677]

@@keithherring7677 A book says Voldermort is trying to kill Harry potter, so what, factually it means the same and carries the same evidential weight !! No, I would accept he existed, but I would not want to know or follow it because it is an immoral, irrational piece of shit !!!

[@keithherring7677]

@@macmcdermid8677 Shows how much you have been indoctrinated to describe someone as that who allowed himself to be brutalized and crucified for you.

[@macmcdermid8677]

@@keithherring7677 Firstly you can provide no evidence anyone you claim to be referring too was Brutalized or crucified !! what and how are you using to justify your empty claim ?? Secondly you asked about a fictional God, but God was never crucified the story claimed his son was presented as being crucified in a book !! So I am not talking about anything , I don't believe god or jesus ever existed, what is your testable verifiable proof can you present for you assertion ??

[@ChristianIce]

There's no such thing as "Judeo-Christian" Values. Christians alone have more than 40.000 denominations with different values and ideas.

[@ant9925]

Humans could not have written the Harry Potter books. They are so good JK Rowling must have been inspired by God.

[@karlajaeger2082]

Makes sense, apparently jk Rowling says trans people don't exist. Odd since I'm sure the first thing a witch or wizard would transfigure would be their "assets".

[@francoisathome5979]

@@karlajaeger2082 As far as I know, she doesn't. Please provide a link to a verified quote from JKR.

[@karlajaeger2082]

@@francoisathome5979 Google is very simple to use. Just googled it and there's articles from the bbc, the guardian, cnn, plus more. All spanning a few years. Plus there's video about the actors of the movie series reuniting without Rowling present specifically because of her views. It all stems from her tweet years back in support of a person who was fired over discrimination against transpeople. Do your own homework, unless you're afraid to.

[@PhilipJenkins-v1b]

Rowling’s books are abysmal rubbish and couldn’t have been written by an intelligent human. My guess is that prick God wrote them.

[@sandykay1593]

I might be out of picture,but I don't understand what makes anyone think that bible can't be written without devine influence? That book is written quite badly to be a gods work in my opinion🤔

[@FakingANerve]

I think it's purely a post hoc reason to maintain the shaky foundation of their faith/worldview. If it weren't inspired by god, it would merely be a jumbled mess of unethical bronze-age crap, and since that concept threatens their worldview, they patch it up with silly ideas like "the word of god," which makes it unquestionable, and "the lord works in mysterious ways," which allows them to solve their cognitive dissonance. It's all post hoc justification for the shoddy beliefs that they cling onto.

[@sandykay1593]

@@FakingANerve Exactly, I completely agree, you have great reasoning👏

[@anthonyharty1732]

Yes, it’s 100% obvious it’s written by MAN!!!!! That is why there are so many ‘Gods’ and Religions, ALL thought up by MAN!!!!!

[@uncleanunicorn4571]

Whenever someone tells me how magically inspired the Bible is, I think about Giordano Bruno.

[@Lambert1386]

I kept waiting for him to go nuts and start hootin' and hollerin'.

[@Wolf.51.50]

"Properly read, the bible is the most potent force for atheism ever concieved". Isaac Asimov.

[@walnutoil100]

Because atheism has no evidence?

[@jettythesunfish]

@@walnutoil100 Atheism doesn't need evidence. Atheism is a response to a claim about the existence of deities.

[@Wolf.51.50]

@@walnutoil100 jettythesunfish perfectly answered you. It's called the "burden of proof" and it lies with he who makes the claim. Atheism is simply a response to a claim without evidence. And anything claimed without evidence can be dismissed without evidence.

[@walnutoil100]

@@jettythesunfish Atheism doesn't need evidence.- special pleading - you dont get a pas for the burden of proof.

[@walnutoil100]

@@Wolf.51.50 - Your evidence is? "it lies with he who makes the claim."- Thats the atheist.

[@phillipzx3754]

If the bible needs another human to decipher it for them, there's something wrong with the bible. And if their god is all-knowing, why wasn't "it" all-knowing enough to write it in a way easily understood without "biblical scholars" needing to explain THEIR interpretation(s ) of their book to others? It should be plain as day and understood without needing years of study. I about died over the "there was a first person to use distortion on a guitar," line. :-) You two make a good team.

[@ronhansen8471]

The true God had the bible written with illustrations. metaphors and the like for two reasons. One it would not lose its meaning over time and second it would reveal a person's intention to want to understand its teaching. There is nothing complicated about the bible once you learn the language. Most people do not have the heart.

[@phillipzx3754]

@@ronhansen8471 A "true god" could appear in front of me and explain what was meant rather than an opinion from some "human" who's silly enough to think they know what any god had in mind. "There is nothing complicated about the bible once you learn the language." You can't get two people to agree with everything written in the bible. What makes you think YOU'RE special? LOL!!

[@Claudg2008]

@@ronhansen8471 Leave the heart aside and use your brain more. Using the word heart may soun cool or poetic to you, but it is nonsense. The fact is the Bible (Old & New T) is plagued with factual scientific and historical errors, contradictions, absurdities and injust cruelties. "Learning the language" of the Bible means learning to twist the meaning of the words to hide or excuse all the nonsense that God couldn't avoid inserting in the book.

[@ronhansen8471]

@@Claudg2008 This exactly the point. People do not understand what the bible teaches. In the great majority of its occurrences in the Scriptures, the word “heart” is used figuratively. It is said to stand for “the central part in general, the inside, and so for the interior man as manifesting himself in all his various activities, in his desires, affections, emotions, passions, purposes, his thoughts, perceptions, imaginations, his wisdom, knowledge, skill, his beliefs and his reasonings, his memory and his consciousness.”-Journal of the Society of Biblical Literature and Exegesis, 1882, p. 67 This sounds like the brain to me. You believe the 66 books of the bible are plagued with factual scientific and historical errors, contradictions, absurdities and unjust cruelties? My first recommendation is that you get someone to show you what the bible teaches. Over the years I have had people like you list all the items they claim were errors and contradictions and I have answered every one of them. fascinating

[@johnandersons]

@@ronhansen8471 so I should write a manual for using some software I wrote so only someone familiar with how coding works can understand it? That's fine if your audience is software engineers but if you want the average citizen to be able to understand it so they can use your software, you write it so just about anyone can understand it. Why would a god inspire his manual for life to need interpretation? It makes zero sense.

[@krishnav5122]

Did he just forget Hinduism where the creator gods are not nature related?

[@Nocturnalux]

He wouldn't know about it.

[@ronhansen8471]

Muslims believe Christ Jesus existed so do Mormons

[@brianmi40]

When they call "all parts of the bible true", and you can't make headway with "why?", then cut to specific verses, like Leviticus 25 and Exodus 21, and see how they feel about slavery...

[@MrMarco855]

It was beneficial for them to opt for servitude to avoid jail because they couldn't pay off debt. You probably forgot to mention the truth right?

[@MrMarco855]

Your first language is what?

[@brianmi40]

@@MrMarco855 Atheism is my first and primary language numnutz.

[@nuoiptertermer4484]

@@MrMarco855 Probably forgot to mention the truth? I don't know what truth you're talking about. Leviticus 25:44-46 says to buy your slaves from the nations around you. It says you can pass them on to your children. It says your slaves will be your slaves forever. Exodus 21:20-21 says you can beat servants as long as they don't die in a day or two. 1 Peter 2:18 says servants should obey their masters even if they are cruel.

[@maxmax6460]

Most ancient religions start with the creation of the universe, then earth, then people. This dude needs to study religion.

[@alanthomson1227]

Not possible as it’s obvious he can’t read

[@steveknight878]

There are even pre-biblical religions that have a son of god that comes to earth to sort things out (and that worked well, didn't it?). I don't think that there is anything in the bible that is not pre-dated by other religions. Which is hardly surprising - ideas evolve.

[@victorhayden7053]

The fact that there are still people like Ron, with their heads so full of shit, is absolutely astonishing to me in this day and age. I think we sometimes take the 'ultra religious' for granted because there are so many of them (not just Christians) but when you stop for a minute to think about what they actually believe, it's totally mind bending.

[@ronhansen8471]

Victor my head is full of many things one of those things is the truth and the other is a thorough understanding of what the bible teaches. There is only one God and one truth which means there can only be one true religion. God's true followers know the truth and the truth sets them free. The world is a slave of Satan and his angel's, and they don't know it but they will.

[@victorhayden7053]

@@ronhansen8471 Thanks for replying to my comment which was over a year ago. Since that time my sister has died. She was an Atheist and never believed in any Gods even at the end of her life. If your reply to my comment is accurate and honest then my sister (according to your religion) will now be in Hell, which means eternal torment, discomfort and torture both physical and mental with no end to it for the rest of time. Is this something that you are ok with ? Is it something that you think is justified ?

[@ronhansen8471]

@@victorhayden7053 No such thing as a fiery hell. The true God is not fiendish All life animal and human go to the same place when they die and cease to exist. The hope is that the true God will resurrect most of the people who have died and will not judge them based on Satan's system of things.

[@ronhansen8471]

@@victorhayden7053 I think I already replied to your comment. To answer your question no I do not think it is ok to say that bad people go to hell and will burn for eternity. That is suggestion that the God of love is fiendish. Satan and his angels are the fiendish ones trying to make God look bad. The whole point of Jesus Christ was to lay the foundation for his kingdom to benefit mankind. Do you really think it is just for God to judge people who are under the influence of wicked spirit creatures? Not on your life. We see no reason to be disturbed over the use of “wicked” in connection with the resurrection. We cannot be held down to one meaning and one application by the word “wicked”. It all depends upon whether the wickedness is deliberate and persisted in right along or whether it is done otherwise. Truly how many wicked people do you know? The true God's purpose is to judge people when they reach perfection, not as sinners, at the end of Jesus Christ 1000-year reign. Revelation 21:4,5

[@victorhayden7053]

@@ronhansen8471 It is interesting that you say that you don't believe in the concept of a ''fiery hell'' for ''bad people'' (including non-believers) but yet alot of other Christians DO believe in this same concept. Why can't you all agree on what your God is saying and what he wants / does / thinks ?.. Is all of this disagreement between Christians not a great big 'Red Flag' drawing attention to the fact that your alleged God doesn't actually exist, otherwise wouldn't he have been more clear about what he expects and demands from human beings ?.. Clearer to the point where there wouldn't be any confusion or disagreement between denominations ? Add this to the fact that there are countless different religions other than Christianity and you get a giant indicator that all religion is, in fact, made up. Different religions, different Gods, different scriptures etc. etc. You can't ALL be right.. but you could all be wrong.

[@phrozenwun]

Ron: 9:30 My first reason for thinking the bible is true is that it doesn't start off glorifying a human as god-like... Jesus effing Christ! whisky tango foxtrot Ron. The whole central thesis of the bible is a human god that is supposedly greater than any other human god character. If someone walks up to you and says some random word and then says I am the most humble person in existence - do you believe them just because they took two seconds to bury the lede?

[@2l84me8]

“I believe the bible is true because I didn’t understand it until someone interpreted it for me.” Big brain logic there.

[@adarkerstormishere]

Arguments from incredulity? Ron's got a million of 'em! He can't *believe* you're not stopping on by and picking up a gaggle of them!

[@alexkilgour1328]

This entire call can be summed up by Hitchen's Razor. That which is asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence.

[@JayMaverick]

Ron: all the religions before had man made gods with humanlike features... Katie: ... like Jesus? Legend.

[@randomjunk1977]

I've definitely heard much dumber Bible arguments but I don't know if I've ever heard a weaker one

[@jettythesunfish]

The irony of this entire discussion is the fact that while I grew up in a religious household, what slowly drew me away from the faith was reading the Bible and realizing that a lot of parts in it don't sound like they come from a being beyond humanity; but rather men writing what they think such a being is like. For example, being jealous that other gods are being worshipped. You'd expect an omnipotent, omnibenevolent being would be beyond such pettiness.

[@jamesgilmore431]

A jealous god is definitely a god with human failings.

[@AlbertaGeek]

The very emotion of jealousy is also not possible without feelings of insecurity. So yeah, they're trying to sell the idea of an omniscient, omnipotent god that is awkward and unsure of itself.

[@ronhansen8471]

The true God is not human with human feelings. Remember us humans were created in God's image not the other way around. God's jealousy is not with the envious, selfish jealousy of humans. It is a jealousy, a zeal or ardor for his holy name, concerning which he himself says: “I will show exclusive devotion for my holy name.”-Eze 39:25.

[@edenkor]

His whole argument is: "I believe it is true, because I believe it."

[@MarijnvdSterre]

Goddamit, Kate has an enchanting smile! :D 10:03 This is a very good point. You could easily argue that the Bible is MORE glorifying people. It is not just "look at us, we so wonderful" it is: "That is nothing, WE are made in God's image!"

[@jimscanoe]

I'm sure Kate's 'enchanting smile' is very well practice as are a lot of his mannerisms.

[@MarijnvdSterre]

@@jimscanoe If it is, I might appreciate it even more, since some afford went into it.

[@skepticofdoom7486]

The "like jesus" was great there. You could hear him stumble on the mental stairs and start to fall.

[@williamtarry4405]

So does Ron believe the errors and contradictions in the Bible are true as well, or does he twist the Bible and logic to pretend they don't exist?

[@hdub8093]

So basically: "I reeaaaaally believe my own religious bullshit, therefore is true and have NO WAY to prove ANY of it.." sheesh!

[@Anonymous-md2qp]

Muslims say the exact same thing 🤦‍♂️

[@MGC-XIII]

So this is yet another person claiming the bible is true because it confirms their bias... Ron, this book takes stories from other religions and folklore from the region. It is not at all special in that regard. What about all the stuff the bible gets wrong? Or is it infallible?

[@paulybarr]

One of those calls where the hosts have to ask the first, simplest, most obvious question, over and over and over and over and over again, because the caller simply can't comprehend it. They believe because...well... because they believe. Jesus. It's like watching paint dry...

[@TheZombieSaints]

Oh Katy! That "like jesus" comment NAILED him... Love your witt.

[@simonbelmont1]

Lol... this poor caller.

[@MartijnHover]

I think the word "ancient" when applied to early human history should be replaced with the word "infant".

[@davidsmith6859]

It's like arguing with a rock. Even when it's pointed out to him that what he believes is not proof and we need actual proofs the first words out of his mouth when he starts up again is still "Well I believe that...."

[@tedgrant2]

When reading the Bible, we often come across completely unbelievable passages. They are so silly that we skip over them, without a moment's thought, such as... "And the sun stood still and the moon stayed until the people had avenged themselves...." (Joshua 10:13).

[@gabriellavedier9650]

His claim is also flawed. God starts as a primitive wind spirit that creates technically without being anthroprophized but contradicts that by making humans in his image. Also having a body that Adam and Eve can see and which walks, he has breath, the forms things with hands, he has a backside, he has feet that he needs a footrest for, he wrestles a guy. He Also said god wasn't a god of some specific people. The Bible implies that all people are technically the same thing and god made them but he eventually picked one tribe at random and was all about them. He's just a tribal god and not even a good one. Marduk was a better tribal god. Ashur. Shamash. Zeus. Jupiter. Fuck, Tengri had the largest empire of the ancient world. Tengri could kick Yaweh's ass and turn his petty two-kingdom system into a smouldering corpse pit.

[@LoveProWrestling]

Wait...wait. God wrestles a guy? Why am I just hearing this now? Were there any stipulations? Loser leaves town probably.

[@kamion53]

@@LoveProWrestling I think it was Jacob wrestling the angel, just before returning home with his already extended brood.

[@Arkloyd]

Yes, ron, the bible shaped our society. The bible is why the American South were so willing to fight and die over their god given right to own slaves. All these thousands of examples that ron has and yet he will not give even one of them to the hosts.

[@Soonzuh]

The caller does NOT have an answer. He's even incapable of understanding the question.

[@mindhead2005]

“There are a thousand reasons and I’m going to start with one of the easiest to dismiss…”

[@dobrien51]

Ron is apparently unaware that the Quran is the only perfect book that can’t have been produced by humans. Checkmate, Canadian!

[@alanrosenthal6323]

Ron's proof is that the Bible is true because it must be true. Thanks Ron for wasting our time

[@tomcooper6108]

Ron: The Bible is true because the Bible is true. Round and round we go, Ron. Makes no sense.

[@richyounger9]

Ron, I’m not sure if you’re ever going to read this, but I sure hope you do. I want to thank you for the entertainment you just provided me and I do mean this to be insulting. I have never heard a person provide dumber arguments for their beliefs, so thank you for making me feel better about my intelligence. I’m no genius, but compared to you, I’m like Christopher Hitchens. Look him up…maybe he’ll help you with your ability to make coherent arguments.

[@paulnejtek6588]

Reading through the bible right now. All kinds of super duper silliness. Proverbs 6 encouraging ppl to weasel their way out of commitments, numbers 31: 14-18 Moses demanding women and children to be slaughtered, page after page of completely useless (except, perhaps, to a very small group of scholars) information about the dimensions in cubits of this temple or that holy building.

[@jarodcarnarvon5198]

I really like these 2 hosts.

[@deanmoncaster]

"the Bible is proof that man didn't write the Bible" and yet reality proves the entire opposite

[@johnandersons]

He then said it is more likely. But what he fails to grasp is you need an example of a god written book and a man written book to compare in order to determine the characteristics of each one in order to then see if the bible seems more like one than the other. And we don't have any book that has been proven to be written by any god.

[@davidh.503]

Ron-- causally link a Volcano.... to writing on paper.

[@djtripnosys]

I think I'm a theist now. The first person to put distortion on guitar IS a god.

[@CyberBeep_kenshi]

Ramen to that brother 🤘😎🤘

[@scotth5114]

I think I'm a theist now. God can play drums with his hands and feet tied behind his back.

[@djtripnosys]

@Steve M we can debate who it was until the sun burns out, and we do. But whomever it actually was should be revered throughout the universe.

[@seanlahm4826]

The amount of patience you two display is amazing. People like Ron make my hands shake in frustration. I do need to try and control my first instinct , which is to call people like Ron a moron. Its mean and I wish I was a better person. But sheesh.

[@Ejaezy]

I don't agree that finding a part of the bible wrong means that the entire bible is wrong (although I know that's why so many Christians fight so hard for the inerrancy of the bible). I do believe, however, that finding a part of the bible that's wrong gives you reason to question the rest of the bible.

[@lordlaughypants5889]

Humans can write a book that starts with a god, when the purpose of the book is to talk about the god. When the purpose of the book is about a giant red dog, humans can write a book that starts with that as well.

[@intermediaryfossil7163]

Emily Elizabeth's love is what made Cifford the Big Red Dog so big.

[@ziploc2000]

and the Clifford canon is more internally consistent than the bibble.

[@intermediaryfossil7163]

@@ziploc2000 What do you mean by "internally consistent"? Are you intimating that the "Bible" is a fantastic political satire that ultimately condems mockingly a deafeated rebellion and has the rebels call the conquerirng leader Lord?

[@Wolf.51.50]

"Oooh, the bible is sooo precise and accurate...". Like... the earth is flat and the sun revolves around the earth? That kind of accuracy?

[@walnutoil100]

Prove the bible makes that claim.

[@Wolf.51.50]

@@walnutoil100 Revelation 7:1 “I saw four angels standing at the four corners of the earth, holding back the four winds of the earth.” Deuteronomy 13:7 “the gods of the peoples who are around you, whether near you or far off from you, from the one end of the earth to the other”. Psalm 104:5 "thou didst fix the earth on its foundation so that it never be shaken". Psalm 93:1 "Thou hast fixed the earth immovable". Joshua 10:12 "Sun stand still". You know what would have been more accurate than all that bullshit? If the bible said that the earth was a sphere revolving around the sun which is a gigantic ball of hydrogen atoms fusing into helium at 150.000.000 km from earth, that both earth and sun are about 5 billion years old and that the universe is about 14 billion years old. THAT would have been evidence that the bible is accurate and is the word of god. Sorry, it's not.

[@walnutoil100]

@@Wolf.51.50 standing at the four corners of the earth- so what? What are you claiming this means? Psalm 104:5 "thou didst fix the earth on its foundation so that it never be shaken". Psalm 93:1 "Thou hast fixed the earth immovable". Joshua 10:12 "Sun stand still". - And what do these mean?

[@Wolf.51.50]

@@walnutoil100 It means, to say the least, that the bible is not accurate like the guy in this video said. To say the least. Had the bible clearly said the earth was a sphere, THAT would have been accurate. All that stupid stuff points out much more to a flat planet than to a spherical one, that's for sure. If the bible were the word of god, it would have said "earth stand still", not sun stand still. There is NOTHING accurate in the bible. Is it clearer now?

[@walnutoil100]

@@Wolf.51.50 t the bible is not accurate- Your evidence is? ". Had the bible clearly said the earth was a sphere," - Prove it claims a flat earth. "If the bible were the word of god, it would have said "earth stand still", not sun stand still. There is NOTHING accurate in the bible." - Your evidence is?

[@lmnop1022]

The gospels of Mark and John do not agree on what day of the crucifixion took place. So, according to the caller, both are correct.

[@lmnop1022]

The gospels of Mark and John do not agree on what day the crucifixion took place. So, according to the caller, both are correct. (see how easily writers make mistakes?)

[@intermediaryfossil7163]

The Goospels are a biig joke fest.. That's a clue that it''s a satire. There were many "Jesuses" of that time claiming to be the Jewish Messiah. The Gospels are a political satire logic puzzle that when solved mocks a defeated jewish rebellion and ulltiimately tricks those same rebells intto calling a Roman Emperor their "Lord".

[@walnutoil100]

Your evidence is?

[@walnutoil100]

@@intermediaryfossil7163 Your evidence is?

[@intermediaryfossil7163]

@@walnutoil100 The "King of the Jews" is even pressed in a wine press. The setup is in the Gospel of Mark. While on the Mount of Olives he walks into a place called Wine/Olive Press (Gethsemane) and in Luke he gets pressed (...giant drops of blood falling down to the ground) It's Jokes! In John 21 is when Titus Flavius fools the Jewish rebels into referring to him as Lord. It's all connected to Josephus Flavius', The Wars of the Jews. In The Wars of the Jews Titus kills a rebel leader named "Jesus" during a sea battle where he was "fishing for men" in the Sea of Galilee and then in John 21 he takes his identity. The Wars of the Jews is in a literal sense, interconnected. The Gospels, along with Wars of the Jews are about viciously mocking the defeated rebellion, especially the leaders, of the Roman-Jewish War of 66AD - 73AD and elevating the Flavian Dynasty to Gods and Lords. Caesar's Messiah by Joseph Atwill does a great job of revealing this satirical system incorporated in the Gospels. Also, Lazarus is Mary's "Good Portion" that shall not be taken away from her." Cannibal joke. Check it out. Greatest book ever written about the Gospels.

[@leglessinoz]

The Hebrew Tanakh is the Old Testament. The Tanakh has 24 books. The difference lies in the fact that some books of the Tanakh have been divided into multiple books in the OT like Samuel, Kings, Chronicles, Ezra-Nehemiah, and the Twelve Minor Prophets. Protestant bibles contain 39 books in the OT while the Catholic bibles have 46 and some Orthodox bibles may have more. The Torah is effectively the Pentateuch or the first 5 books of the Old Testament. The Tanakh is basically divided into 3 parts (law, prophets, writings) while the OT is divided into 4 (Pentateuch, Old prophets or history), writings, latter orophets).

[@sjs1555]

MD, is that a Moscow Mule you’re drinking? Lol awesome!

[@yoredeerleader]

Christianity is non-chauvinistic? Bahahahahahahahaha.

[@John_Demarco]

Nobody has ever called Christianity chauvinistic...because women are not allowed to speak in church. “A woman a should learn in quietness and full submission. I do not permit a woman to teach or to assume authority over a man; she must be quiet." -Timothy 2:11-14

[@paulcontursi5982]

Has this guy every really READ the buybull? I doubt it.

[@thewebexpert3311]

In other words, bats are birds. Good call. Can we have a dose of reality instead?

[@brucewilliams4152]

Ron missed the basis of western civilisation was Greece, they worshiped the Greek Pantheon.

[@PatricEriksson-s2o]

This is so telling! Ron haven't thought this through at all.

[@sydneybristow5588]

Everything Ron tries to spew is lies. I'll pick the first one. He says all gods before his were human. Not true. Hindu and Egyptian gods weren't human.

[@yoredeerleader]

If Christianity was the first religion to do X and Christianity also takes the entire Jewish bible as it’s first half, then Christianity is not the first religion to do X.

[@2020-p2z]

Christianity is literally an offshoot of Judaism, and they somehow keep forgetting that.

[@bobbyb9712]

Also as a Canadian, I feel I have to apologize for Ron. We really do have quality education up here and teach evolution. Did he not say that when he first read the bible he did not believe? It took a professional apologist to brainwash him. 100% true? Idiocy !

[@walnutoil100]

So can you present evidence evo caused life to begin and created the information necessary for life to exist?

[@Hariester]

@@walnutoil100 you clearly don't have a clue what evolution is if you're asking this question.

[@_Somsnosa_]

@@walnutoil100 Yes here you go

[@walnutoil100]

@@Hariester IOW you have no evidence

[@omg-vert]

"Like Jesus..." lol

[@pup1008]

I think Ron is crazy like a fox 🦊. I think that was the most convoluted & possibly ineffective "chat up" line known to mankind! 😂

[@grantm6514]

3:30 "You have to have god-glasses on when you read the bible, then every word is true" - so god-glasses cancel out all critical and rational thoughts, right?