The BIG Black Mamba Experimental Shotgun Slug

[@chribm]

Joe did just fine! I don't know why anyone would be so critical of guest shooters. Maybe they should come try and see if they can do any better. Would love to see Brianna come shoot again.

[@toneh154]

My guess would be envy.

[@lukearts2954]

I'm sure she'll be back once she's out of diapers... Hey, there's a thought: use a full diaper as target. (perhaps not an actually used one, just a diaper soaked full of water. I'm sure she'll have a few that ripped the straps while putting them on so they become unusable... I think the hydrostatic shock on a saturated diaper could make a special effect, or at least be as impressive as soaked magazines.

[@drchico40]

The internet is poison.

[@Mr-AKim]

Spot on comment👍

[@jeffcook8501]

Trolls just gotta Troll

[@johnthomas7517]

Joe did fine, neat content as usual, good job guys.

[@myfavoriteviewer306]

I can't think of a guest shooter I've ever not enjoyed! I had to rewind the cabbage a few times, I couldn't quite tell if the slug clipped the very top or if it was just that much energy driving through the cabbage that put the big dent up top on the can. Doesn't look like it actually hit, that would be quite impressive! I've seen plenty of rounds I'd have put money on going through the lead plate that hit a crater and barely made a difference on the channel before, I think we can call that as going through and I wouldn't even worry about an asterisk for the crater 😁

[@Evergreen1400]

I feel the same, not only have I not been disappointed in the guest shooters I’ve actually grown to love all of them including Danny who we obviously lost. OG is a genuinely funny person and seems like a really good guy on top of being a great shooter (probably the best on TFM) Everything I know about Jeff tells me he’s a good guy and he’s extremely talented when it comes to loading experimental projectiles and filming the rounds. Bla bla bla long story short I have nothing but positive things to say about the people who make the TFM channel work from the guest shooters to Jeff to the people who send in slugs etc, everyone involved not only seem like really good people they are also good at what they do so I have zero complaints about the creators,shooters or the mastermind/videographer

[@nelsonbergman7706]

Thanks to Evan for making these slugs. Thanks to Joe for driving that far. We appreciate it. Thanks to Jeff for another outstanding video. Keep them coming!

[@taofledermaus]

thank you!!

[@disturbedmaynard3873]

Good job Joe, you hit the targets with projectiles that were not flying true, and that is probably tougher than if they flew with no wobble or tumbling.

[@bubbajenkins123]

I like all the guest shooters. Please come back Brianna

[@scrappydoo7887]

Pretty sure that Brianna has a baby to deal with now

[@cthetexasking2672]

@@scrappydoo7887 Let the baby shoot!

[@1982rrose]

​@@cthetexasking2672but be nice, only make it a .410.

[@CerealKiller187]

​@@cthetexasking2672that's what I'm sayin' 😂

[@scrappydoo7887]

@@cthetexasking2672 now that I would love to see..... that said I would be seriously surprised if the lil one can handle the recoil of a 12g slug 🤣

[@mikkohernborg5291]

Guys, be nice to the guest shooters! They are nice enough to come out and spend time with Jeff, and although they may not always be the most professional, ya can’t be amazing without the experience - and they need to shoot to get more. If you scare them all away, we might never get another like Danny, rest his soul.

[@celticphox]

And guest shooters doing, "You make it, we mach it," are under extra pressure. Don't hate test pilots or scientists or guests!

[@erict3728]

Right! It really angers me to hear that a few little trolls are ruining things for the rest of us.

[@erict3728]

99% of us support the guests and understand the "hit or miss" situation behind these experimental slugs. The few that don't understand that... Their opinions shouldn't carry any weight

[@cosmic-fortytwo]

Danny was amazing. I hope he's having a great time at the big rifle range in the sky.

[@Nomorewarsforisrael]

The footage of that fly was incredible, really puts perspective on how fast those slugs are going.

[@taofledermaus]

It's surprising what shows up on the HS camera

[@mbuchart2927]

The fly crosses starting at 3:50. I was surprised that there was evidently no shock wave that affected the fly's flight. I would have expected powerful air waves that would have deflected its flight path or slowed it down.

[@kj3n569]

You mach it, we'll watch it! Another great one, good shootin', Joe! Jeff, you did a fantastic job as always. Taking these experimental projectiles and making them fly must be challenging when they're all so different. One thing we've all learned is that rifling doesn't always make it better, and putting spin on steel or other hard metal slugs can be tough. These still did some major damage, and going through the lead plate demonstrates their effectiveness. Even with a starter hole!

[@u.e.u.e.]

Thanks to the guest for showing up! 🤗 There had been some rather stable rounds in the past - but it's called testing for a reason. 🤷‍♂️

[@jeriwollmann7366]

Great video Jeff. Sorry to hear about the trashing. Start blocking any hate comments. We need and love all the guest shooters. Cuz you can't do it alone man. Cheers man. Getting the lead out. 😊💪👍😊

[@taofledermaus]

thank you

[@Manoffire959]

I love the guest shooters you bring on! I also really appreciate all the work you put in to doing this channel. Keep up the great work!

[@taofledermaus]

thank you

[@196cupcake]

Good job Joe and Jeff!

[@BenjySparky]

Jeff and Joe y'all rock! I know about that bad luck thing. Peace

[@thesouldone82]

These videos make my day and week! Thanks guys!

[@taofledermaus]

thanks!

[@joemo1033]

​@taofledermaus remember to keep holey the sabot Jeff.

[@Followthelemming]

Figures, comments ruin guest shooters.

[@hairybubbles127]

Commenting like that need to be ignored by said guest shooter and gently ridiculed by the rest of us.

[@mrbikeman]

Everyone's got an asshole. Only some stink...

[@Followthelemming]

AGREED!@@hairybubbles127

[@scrappydoo7887]

Thank you Joe for making yourself available to to shoot for us all 👍

[@richardhillier442]

Way to go Joe! Thanks for shooting for us today. 😊 Thanks also to Jeff and Evan for the production. ❤

[@Adam-nv9zo]

Great job, Joe. I bet 90 percent or better of the views that are critical of your guest shooters wouldn't even get on camera and shoot. So, props to all past and future guest shooters.

[@wadekirby8575]

Optimal rifling twist rate is based on the length of the projectile and speed it is driven. (We use weight as a guide because it is easier.) That slug might have been prohibitively long, standard slugs tend to be short.

[@taofledermaus]

It just never got much spin. Slippage of the slug inside the sabot- poor traction in other words

[@hairybubbles127]

He's rolling them out! Interesting round, which answers some questions I had about very long slugs. Oh, and your guest shooter did - and was - just fine. Very consistent. Anyone with dog turds coming out of their mouths about guest shooters is ideally ignored. Or piled on (half civilly) until THEY leave, preferably.

[@larryking606]

I have enjoyed your videos for a long time now and just because you have a guest shooter doesn’t mean that I will not come back and ENJOY Your videos again and again ! Take Care and Be Safe

[@taofledermaus]

thanks

[@TheGeekiestGuy]

Whoo. You make it we Mach it. I love these. I gotta catch up on your and Gregg's videos. I hope you guys are well out there. I always love the content. 🤙🏽

[@taofledermaus]

thanks!

[@TheGeekiestGuy]

@@taofledermaus thank you, brother. I always appreciate the content. I hope to someday meet up with you and O.G. I know I owe you a drink or two for the laughs at the very least. 🤙🏽

[@jjab99]

Well done Joe, you really shot well and deserve nothing but praise for your appearance on the show today. Stay safe and have fun, Joe

[@taofledermaus]

thank you

[@cycoholic]

I think that you can count the Black Mamba as a round that would go through the lead plate. Given its size and weight, and how it seemed to survive going through the previous crater unharmed, I think it would have done the job nicely.

[@tommartinez62]

Unfortunately I must disagree.

[@cycoholic]

@@tommartinez62 Hey, fair call. It's quite subjective after all.

[@rhenmerchant5715]

Thanks Joe for coming out and shooting for us! No complaints from this guy.

[@leepalmer3634]

Joe! Thank you for coming out

[@dpall38]

I remember in the seventies they used to sell the Black Mamba in the back of Hustler magazine, I don’t believe they would fit in the barrel though.

[@jimcappa6815]

Thanks, Joe! Nice shooting with no front sight and the missing red dot!

[@matthewalbee]

Joe great shooting. Thank you to all the shooters on this channel. Ask Jeff thank you for everything you do for us. ❤

[@heywardmorgan7699]

Shame some people are such butts. I enjoy hearing each shooter's comments and perspectives. Even though OG is my favorite, not everyone can be OG, and I kinda like the variety from time to time (hint: Brianna because she does have skill). Hopefully, Evan will send you a few more of those, I think a little adjustment on the sabot, sabot, or sabot, however it's pronounced 😅 will make these quite effective. Wish we were not on opposite sides of the country, would love to shoot for you, if you're ever in SC look me up, I'll find a place to film😊. Have a great week, sir.

[@ArcticCustomProps]

Joe did great, considering the sights on that shotgun. Well done!

[@taofledermaus]

We had a ton of problems that day. Camera died, table got hit twice in freak events, red dot screws fell out, etc. lol

[@Miohunter444]

Thanks for helping Jeff out Joe!! Nice shooting!!!

[@13ECHO20]

Your videos are always good. Shout out to Joe for shootin'.

[@taofledermaus]

thanks!

[@BurchellAtTheWharf]

3:11 that's pretty impressive Joe!!

[@jemaol1]

Thanks Joe, Joe did a decent job considering the sights broke.

[@JeffMartin2510]

Where did you learn so much about loading shells? Did you take a course, or are you self-taught? Interesting video as always.

[@Th3Alibi]

There’s books with calculations in them. I forget the name but I used to use it when I shot skeet competitively back in the day. I think it’s from Hornady, cartridge reloading or something

[@taofledermaus]

Trial and failure and learning from the failures.

[@weta-linetv5354]

No sights, no problem; still nailed it. Well done Joe!

[@KevinSmith-yh6tl]

Thanks for the latest video. I've gotta say, people who soil themselves over not liking guests shooters are addle brained, wannabe shooters, but don't possess the nerve to step up and do it themselves. I better stop now, I've tried to put this politely as possible, so I better stop while I'm ahead! 👍

[@taofledermaus]

I thought most of my viewers were adults - some of the comments I see are ridiculous.

[@jonbridge8064]

I always enjoy Taofledermaus videos. It's appreciated that people take the time and effort to make the videos happen!

[@taofledermaus]

thanks!

[@pantherplatform]

I just shot a 410 shell with three 000 buck shot in it thru an old flat screen tv and it was incredible. Got a box of them a couple years ago when I stopped by the pawn shop to see what they had and thats the only 410 ammo they had. Set my 9mm down somewhere and can't find it. Not the first time I did that but at least there's nobody around for miles where I live.

[@jamesbromstead4949]

Thanks Jeff, Joe and Rhinestone Hurricane.

[@keithjurena9319]

I love all guest shooters you have had. They take a big risk even with all the experience, these are far off all loading data. Looks like it was slipping in the sabot and not spinning fast enough.

[@taofledermaus]

Yeah, maybe too much mass. It has to spin up in a millisecond while it's going down the barrel and a lot can happen.

[@johnkey1682]

@@taofledermaus maybe glue the sabot in place?

[@radiobabylon]

@@johnkey1682 thats exactly what i was thinking, some spray adhesive. lightly applied, it shouldnt add any meaningful thickness... but, at the same time, i suspect that given the forces involved it wouldnt make any meaningful difference, either.

[@keithjurena9319]

@@taofledermaus At 1200 ft/sec muzzle velocity, 24" barrel, that is 1/300 of a second so a bit over 3 milliseconds. At 1 turn in 48", that is 300 revolutions per second, 18000 RPM.

[@taofledermaus]

@@keithjurena9319 It's a 1:36" twist on that barrel.

[@CSltz]

One of the best shows on the net.

[@PsychoticBovine]

Good shooting, Joe!

[@dougscott8161]

Joe did a good job as guest shooter as another commenter said none of them have been any thing to complain about. I think the most fun for me was watching the slo-mo with the luckiest fly ever. God Bless and stay safe.

[@taofledermaus]

thanks Doug

[@AntiFurry-hi7lv]

Keep up the good vids guys y’all are awesome

[@taofledermaus]

thanks!

[@williambell9466]

Great video as usual Jeff. Joe did a great job, no red dot, no front sight. Let people make comments. They're probably the ones who would choke and blame it on something other than themselves. Thanks for the video!

[@taofledermaus]

Thanks 👍

[@BurchellAtTheWharf]

1:42 common guys, love the guest shooters, one-day, we might be able to get to shoot tooo

[@norecordingsoftware3309]

I cannot wait for more videos, the video you did the other day of all slugs you have in inventory waiting to be shot was so awesome. Lots of cool looking stuff to shoot!

[@MrYogitron92]

Awesome video. Keep it up guys. Also keep the guest coming .

[@taofledermaus]

thanks!

[@gtnaylor5870]

Thanks Jeff, Joe and of course Evan!! It's was interesting to see that heavy slug and the damage to the Lead Plater!

[@taofledermaus]

thanks

[@SeanNyte]

Another awesome video from one of my favorite channels on KZbin... Just gotta love all these cool slugs people send you... Not to mention, how much energy and effort you put in to making these videos for us all to enjoy! Keep up the amazing work and I look forward to seeing the next one... I wonder how much it would cost to take a Greyhound or Megabus from here in Jacksonville FL to meet you and perhaps being a Guest Shooter.. I'd just need to find a Public Campground to set up a tent for a few days... I live in Florida, so I'm used to the heat...

[@taofledermaus]

thank you

[@Apocalypse_Cow]

Very well said

[@cgamejewels]

Some people need to criticize others to be happy. I enjoy all the guest shooters. Thanks for volunteering Joe.

[@taofledermaus]

thanks !!

[@floridafilmscavengerhunt]

Love the guest shooters!

[@boydgrandy5769]

Maybe if the slug maker could inscribe or mill grooves in the diameter of the slug, it would grip the sabot better and get the spin you need. Perhaps all that would be needed is a groove so light as to be a scratch for traction. Failing that, make the slug slightly smaller in diameter and plate it with lead to get a sacrificial surface for the rifling to engage. Once stabilized, that thing should go through a truck engine! Oh yes. That fact that Joe got that slug to strike the target ANYWHERE with that tumbling action speaks very highly of his shooting skills.

[@taofledermaus]

Or knurling would probably help too

[@Nandrith]

@@taofledermaus Or just a coarse surface finish, depending on how the projectile was made. Could be an interesting experiment, getting the same slug with different surfaces to see which one is the best at gripping the sabot.

[@stevenashworth9582]

Great job. I woke up at 1:30 in the morning and saw your video. I had to watch. Your shooter did an amazing job. Hats off to you joe. Thanks for make Jeff look good.

[@taofledermaus]

thanks for the nice words Steven!

[@greylocke100]

I wonder if you had a slower twist rate like through a rifled choke if you actually might have had more stability. With the rifled barrel spinning it up so fast and quickly there was slipping of the sabot. I know the my rifled choke does stabilize the heavier sabot slugs better than the lighter ones, at least I get much larger groups with the lighter sabot slugs than I do the heavier ones.

[@RekySai]

It's called spin stabilization. The more you spin it the less chance it has to deviate

[@jeffs7573]

@@RekySai not true at all, to much spin can destabilize the projectile as well.

[@AirRuna1]

@jeffs7573 yes it causes a cork screw effect or a spiral flight pattern

[@helidude3502]

Thank You Joe, Jeff, and Evan 👍😎

[@guardsmanom134]

Like I said before, I would be ecstatic to shoot for you, Jeff. But yeah, Vernonia Oregon to Fresno California is around 6½ hours and two tanks of gas in my suburban, and thats 42 gallons per tank. Its beyond prohibitive. Great content, and tell Joe he's an excellent shot, from me.😊

[@taofledermaus]

That would definitely be a major trip.

[@guardsmanom134]

@taofledermaus I do it once a year, but it's not a one day trip. I go to Los Angeles for tax purposes, and return the next day... I'm getting too old for it, but I still ain't paying 3k to leave California for good. Maybe we can plan something for the future?🤷

[@morelenmir]

In American money that would be at least $300 of petrol in England... Sometimes closer to $350 depending on the day and the garage.

[@guardsmanom134]

@@morelenmir per tank

[@morelenmir]

@@guardsmanom134 So four tank's worth for the whole trip? $1200 to $1400 there and back again...

[@ulrichmachtle4864]

unbelievable stabile E. Perry product, not in flight maybe, but in shape, solid as a rock.... genius!

[@regsparkes6507]

Good shootin' Joe, come back and try this again, the thru-hole needs to be proved. Jeff, my vote ( or rather, opinion,) is that there was enough of a crater there previously to make Evan's new slug zip on through.

[@kammerj4ger348]

No need to be criticize your guest's. Up until now, all of them were really good additions to the show. Some a little more serious, some a little more funny. But that mix is part of what makes it interesting to watch.

[@taofledermaus]

thanks!

[@GeoffryWK]

I wish you could test 20 Gauge also. I have a KS7 I just bought and the recoil is vicious! I shot 8 rounds of 00 Buckshot and my shoulder was sore for 3 days. I also have a 20 Gauge which is manageable. FYI, I'm 72.

[@taofledermaus]

There just isn't much 20ga. ammo variety out there, same with .410.

[@alantominack4774]

Absolutely dig all the shooters you bring on, but I understand 'em not wanting to return or get in front of the camera if they're taking crap from the peanut gallery. I would like to see the inventor of the slugs come in to shoot at some point.

[@taofledermaus]

I wish Evan lived closer so he could come out

[@blaudrachen]

​@@taofledermausThat's what family vacations and business trips are for :-)

[@agnome3777]

Cheers to Joe and all guest shooters! Great work.

[@taofledermaus]

Glad you enjoyed it!

[@Billthebaker420]

Warning to anyone wanting to do anything on KZbin, you better have thick skin! 🤣🤣

[@OGsDangerShow]

Ain’t that the truth!

[@Billthebaker420]

@@OGsDangerShow Nice to see you were not washed away this vacation! No international incident! 😁

[@danielwarren8539]

Thanks Joe.

[@certaindeaf8315]

Good job, Joe! Awesome.

[@BigDipper907]

Trying to look up sabots is actually how I found this channel. One of the best channels I’ve stumbled across ever!

[@taofledermaus]

thank you!!

[@BigDipper907]

@@taofledermaus🫡

[@jeffryrichardson9105]

Thanks Joe appreciate what you are doing for us all!👍🏽😀❤️🇺🇸

[@deathpigguitars]

Great effort Bakersfield Joe!

[@freda7436]

Thanks Bakersfield Joe! And special thanks to Lucky Fly.

[@johngraham8865]

Im sure that was Joe's first time shooting experimental slugs, and they looked like they had a ton of recoil. I hope Joe had fun shooting them, i would have. Thanks Joe.

[@DeadCowFilms]

JOE DID A GREAT JOB! keep up the vid 8 years here

[@taofledermaus]

thanks!

[@mikes3174]

Nice job Joe!! I hope to see you in future episodes. 😎👍

[@taofledermaus]

We filmed another one that day.

[@andyc280081973]

Bakersfield PD - One of my favourite shows from back in the day!

[@shades3388]

Great job, Joe! Those slugs were BEASTS! Hitting anything with only a front site is impressive...but with only a rear site? Dunno if I could! Would luv to see a revisit of these slugs. Maybe with some mild nurling around the slug and a better sabot...or is it sabot? Sabot...sabot...however it's pronounced.

[@jeffreyyoung4104]

I have to say, Joe did good with no red dot, or other sights! Thanks Joe! The slugs need to be retested with thicker sabots, and a little more powder too! Instead of hot glue, try corn starch to fill the void, it provides a firm base in the slug, and will leave a vapor trail as the slug flies to the target!!

[@taofledermaus]

I was using a powder recipe for a 2 oz. steel duck or goose load. I wouldn't want to push it much harder than that.

[@paulholznagel6101]

Joe and all the guests have done awesome. That fly in the slow motion was hilarious 😂😂😂

[@datboyfred7590]

I cannot believe ppl have been so mean that the guest shooters don't want to come back. Joe did great, same goes to the other guys. This is not a sharpshooting competition, we are here to see guys "mach-ing" things. Great shooting, keep it up.

[@taofledermaus]

One of them said he was looking through the comments and was surprised and what he saw. Unnecessarily mean stuff.

[@briancarey1116]

"You can't even buy a cabbage for that much!" --- Pure hilarity. Joe did great, those shells just need the right load and correction for sabot slip, more likely than not - there was a video not too long ago where you'd loaded the shells quite hot, and the performance was horrible. As soon as you pulled a handful of grains from the load, they flew with scary accuracy and IIRC, did a ton of damage from more nose-first impacts. I would love to have seen these wobbly guys flying through a ballistic gel block; I image the energy transfer must be incredible when they hit side-on like that. I suspect the slugs would only go through the lead plate if they could "slide" through - hit with a few degrees of deflection like the second one did. That way, the kind of "cutting" force is concentrated on an edge, and the slug will want to straighten itself through the plate. I think the near-vertical orientation of the slug when it bounced up off of the road is a pretty good sign of that. Face-on, the lead plate would probably act like soft armor and deform around the slug, deflect it from a good path, and absorb most of the energy, I imagine. I say they're plate-unalivers, too.

[@blvp2145]

Thank you Joe for helping Jeff out. Guest shooters are the back bone of the channel.

[@taofledermaus]

Gregg and Danny started out as guests too.

[@100-pc-notbot]

HI Joe from Bakersfield! Thanks for shooting!

[@GordonPhillips]

Good 'ole Bakersfield Joe :) Another great video Tau! Wonderful seein you out on the range!

[@taofledermaus]

thanks

[@knobjob2839]

That slug reminds me of the "knob goblin". Joe did great, thanks for video 👍

[@SpankyK]

Thanks Jeff, Thanks Joe from Bakersfield!

[@1248dl]

Complaints about guest shooters should be referred to the KMA department. I'd like to be a guest shooter when I come through that area to visit one of my daughters and her family in Sacramento from New Mexico. I'm originally from Los Banos.

[@bigjay875]

Im sorry to hear that the guest shooters get such disrespecte well i personally am thankful for you and your guests coming out to film. Thanks and have a great week

[@taofledermaus]

thanks

[@dELTA13579111315]

Another great video, thanks to everybody involved!

[@taofledermaus]

thanks

[@Maxid1]

"And if you take that old cat over there I'll give you all 3 fer $4 bucks."

[@aizenweeks5237]

Hope Joe from Bakersfield had a good time. Took the recoil like a boss!

[@taofledermaus]

Before he shot these, he was shooting some light .65 oz. slugs. He's probably glad he only had to shoot 5 of these lol

[@brown2889]

Thanks Joe and Jeff.😎

[@joshuawells5953]

At this point i think your channel should be called "The Evan Perry by proxy" channel. Definitely not complaining. Ive been a fan of the channel for years. I watched Danny's farewell video and bawled my eyes out. Might have been slightly intoxicated at the time. But that's how much of a fan i am. I love the technical ballistic channels on KZbin like yours and Paul Harrell's. I know Paul said not to mention it but he's also suffering from cancer as Danny did and I'm asking all the Taofledermaus people to watch his channel and above all pray for him. Its rare to see technical gun channels on KZbin and I would hate to see them go. Keep up the good work.

[@taofledermaus]

thanks for the kind words, Josh

[@sd767633]

Joe that’s what I call a good group! Nice work.

[@maxcarlson3357]

The fly shot was awesome! Also, let the haters hate, I like meeting the guest shooters.

[@_ohmz_electric]

Guest shooters are nuts for coming out and shooting experimental rounds 😂 they’ve got enough to worry about

[@zigmogcreator]

Thanks Jeff for the video. Guest shooter did great. Maybe a layer of paper towel in the sabot would help with rifleing engagement.

[@taofledermaus]

For the Worminators, I used a wrap of foil tape on a few of them since sometimes a few are a little out of spec.

[@jeffhuntley2921]

Thanks Joe from Bakersfield!

[@JollyRoger2408]

Hi Joe from Bakersfield, well shot. I hope to see you again here on this channel. 👍