The Big Debate | 04 July 2024

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[@collenmazwi2451]

We black South Africans have double standards. EFF made it clear how they will change the policies for the future and how they are going to create jobs, but the majority had decided to vote for the ANC and DA yet again. Unfortunately, those who voted for real change could not reach the minimum requirements, so who are you blaming now? Let us continue to learn from the hard way. I dont know until when?

[@user-uw2px3si3u]

EFF failed to build 1 school they promised us 5 years ago unprovoked. Don't talk to us about EFF please

[@user-dh6wt5in8z]

Don't say poeple voted for DA N ANC..cuz those two parties didn't win...they rigged the votes to suites them...DA n ANC shows they a corrupt for wht they did.

[@mthobisizondi2410]

@@user-uw2px3si3uThe EFF is not in government so they don’t have the means and resources to undertake such projects Those promises were based on investments they were going to get and they didn’t, so what’s more you want from them you didn’t even vote for them so ask that from ANC who has been in charge for 30 years

[@user-uw2px3si3u]

@mthobisizondi2410 nobody asked eff for anything, your commander promised us heaven and earth unprovoked and he failed thats the bottomline

[@MR-SIBIYA]

​@@user-uw2px3si3u I'm not an EFF voter, but correct me if I'm wrong. The school project has been halted due to the land rezoning issue, which is being influenced by political opposition forces. I don't think the ANC government will allow themselves to be outmaneuvered by the EFF on this issue.

[@Carol4Archer6]

I'm favoured, R50K every week! I can now give back to the locals in my community and also support God's work and the church. South Africa ❤❤❤

[@flaviodelgado2004]

Well...l will advise you should stop trading on your own if you keep losing and start trading with an expert because trading with an expert is the best strategy for newbie...😊❤

[@Kendrick-185]

Interesting. I have a lump sum doing absolutely nothing at all in my bank account, I wanna get something started with it. You seem to be doing excellent for yourself, how do you achieve this?

[@Megan-bt9rd]

Mrs Joy assessment of cryptocurrencies is by far the most accurate... A must for all beginners and experienced crypto traders.😊😊

[@naviimdaminaviimdami8258]

YES!!! That's exactly her name (Mrs Joy) so many people have recommended highly about her and am just starting with her 😊 from South African 😊

[@Kwafela]

Please who is this Mrs Joy

[@starking26]

South Africans should stop depending on handouts. Government officials are grossly overpaid- so if that is rectified, more funds should be allocated to education, health and safety. Quality education equals gainful employment equals dignity equals better economic development

[@nomhlesotyato6778]

United we stand divided we fall.

[@ZolaMhlabane-ss8bq]

This is really a sad story ANC is not the government of the poor people.

[@ashleyadams5207]

This is the one that really gets to me, to think that out people were slaves to them then and still slaves to them now. this is the time to rise up and do whatever needs to be done to liberate ourselves from these wicked and evil people once and for all. It's not us and them, its us or them.

[@mecharamorula4660]

The ANC and its allies sold out big time. It's such a tragedy. Indeed we need to stand up and say enough is enough.

[@phelarephelemusicacademy8330]

Julius Malema fought this, he wasn't listened to. It's embarrassing that the lives of Marikana people are still exploited because of the greedy government... 🤷🏾‍♀️🤔🤷🏽‍♂️😲💁🏾‍♀️😳👺🙄👹☹️

[@SoultyBoiBeats]

EFF was created from this

[@collenmazwi2451]

@@SoultyBoiBeats Black South Africa's majority decided to vote for the DA and ANC; it is a pity that most of us would suffer the consequences, our minerals cannot just be taken away without reasonable benefits,we need to learn from the policies of other countries.

[@mecharamorula4660]

EFF is no different from the ANC. They talk right but walk left. They are pseudo socialists, pseudo. Pan Africanists. They will never deliver economic emancipation for a black child. This is the fight that needs us, the people to fight, politicians aside.

[@africanqueen1655]

The ONLY conversation Indigenous Black South Africans should be having is Voting For & Calling the EFF to RECLAIM the Land & seek REPARATIONS. 🙏🏿🤴🏾👸🏾🙌🏾

[@mecharamorula4660]

The EFF are no different from the ANC. They talk right but walk left. The people are no stupid. They can see right thru the pseudo socialist, pseudo pan African EFF. It's definitely not the EFF that will deliver economic emancipation to a black child.Only the people themselves will do that. But we first have to unite. Politicians only serve to divide us while they, together with the private sector, continue looting.

[@user-le7xs5mq4y]

Nationalise, Nationalise, Nationalise !!!!!!!

[@scelowonkewonkembonane970]

I have high respect to the presenter Thembekile Mrototo.

[@edwardbua1120]

On point

[@matthewdube9237]

South Africa is the most economically unequal society in the world 30 years after democracy. ANC has failed the black marjority of this nation- they failed to implement their policy conference resolutions which are pro-poor and were going to make black people not just workers but owners of meaningful businesses. Why is it that the only issue is employment or jobs only when it comes to black people and never and not starting business interprises? Why should we only get crumbs and not the bakery?

[@AngelNortje-wx6ww]

Just create a State-Owned Multi-Sectoral Mining Company, legalise artisinal mining, and pay that as a Citizenship Wage

[@sa_tepa]

Artisinal mining can be a nightmare. Especially in a country like South Africa where criminal syndicates thrive.

[@marlak4253]

The few are still taking the wealth and the majority have not chosen leaders who will fight for their land and mineral resources.

[@ianthomas7819]

Mr. Cyril Ramaphosa has been a user from the beginning. now he uses the DA for their 22% vote, not because of policy, but because of greed. Mr. Ramaphosa will not change.

[@peacepeter2858]

We still negotiate/talk/question what was taken and not negotiated for , instead of taking everything that was taken without talking and deal with what comes with that

[@phokamofokeng8404]

This sent shivers down my spine

[@mjmaster3456]

What a nice show, but you can translate to english for the viewers please🙏

[@mecharamorula4660]

We need patriotic media folks and civic organisations to coordinate such debates nationally, in every corner of this country.

[@rendanimakhado5737]

Should have voted for EFF

[@majestic4124]

the problem lays within government policies, Ramaphosa agrees to a monthly minimum wage of R4,200 meanwhile he earns that R4,200 in one hour

[@MrLechesa]

So he must increase it? Is that what you're calling for? Or he must also earn R5400 per month?? What exactly are you advocating for?

[@MrLechesa]

R4200*

[@mecharamorula4660]

​@@MrLechesaOf coz he must increase it. Can he, himself, live on R4200/month. Mxcm!

[@MrLechesa]

@@mecharamorula4660 But he's in government with parties that think R4200 is too much and must be scrapped

[@mecharamorula4660]

@@MrLechesa That's where the problem is

[@tshepogazamaseko5422]

State cupture was long time ago

[@pelothewitness]

Birdcage economy. Nationalise key sectors. And get leaders who aren't such big beneficiaries of this deeply problematic system, who actually want to help people.

[@khanysiondende7546]

Who exactly voted for ANC?.....Julius Malema once said be careful of an unled revolution....judging by this episode "The streets are calling" ....1976

[@dominicmokgatle]

Under Gwede Mantashe's ministry I see no change in how things are in our mining industry. Botswana 🇧🇼 is slowly sinking its claws into the balls of these mining giants and demand a better stake for their people what about us here in SA? It's sad to witness what's happening 😢

[@edwardbua1120]

If only it will be used to build better infrastructure and put medicine in Botswana hospitals

[@ayandasigxashe7198]

The issue of minerals & wealth all over & the surrounding communities busking poverty not only a South African thing! Some people high up in government & business are eating, earning! All they do is give big speeches and than same old same old! Time each mine has strong community activist + unions who track this question from start to finish!

[@zoraneale8004]

We blacks are still in slavery poverty.. We seem to love it for some reason.

[@zolilenicolasbokolo7264]

Remember this our government that we elected and not the national party

[@AngelNortje-wx6ww]

How about Reparations from the Parties that existed during Apartheid? 29:35

[@mtaolengmariam2668]

We need net zero to grow the economy

[@LindilechristopherMgqobele]

Ramaphosa's fault ever this would be written in history Book.

[@shimidioke1895]

He needs to be exposed

[@ras.ikalonji5454]

Should have followed AES steps in the right direction...

[@leeroysherratt881]

Nationalize everything, everything. South Africa will find it's success like everyone it's neighboring countries...lol

[@noriamamabolo1488]

Eff is educating us about these issues, the looting of our minerals but it seems we enjoy it. ❤❤

[@user-ip5qq6ju5g]

People need employment not R350s

[@waynehaydricks9268]

Not only the minds worker's must benefits from the mining industry but the hole of South Africans 😢

[@phumelelakhawula2796]

You have a person who earns 433000 pm without matric and a guy getting 14500 pm with diploma , that's why it's like this. Why is department of labour not addressing that salaries problem

[@siyabongangubeni9042]

South Africans agreeing on South African issues .

[@AngelNortje-wx6ww]

Ramaphosa, reparations for Marikana. Now. 34:38

[@davidmotshana4056]

Ramaphosa don't have money to pay the Marikina people's

[@LindilechristopherMgqobele]

Dale is too much❤❤❤❤❤❤

[@enmn6001]

Does talking and d3bates help while nothing is done

[@ianthomas7819]

24,03% of land in South Africa is state-owned. This land includes land owned by the State, former homelands and parts of former homelands, as well as areas under nature reservation

[@zolilenicolasbokolo7264]

So we need to be very careful and not fall on the trap of being devided there is no devil on our leaders all we need is to call a debate with them and seat around the table and talk to find resolution and let us not let the enemy rejoice please let us not make them happy those who want us to fight

[@ianthomas7819]

This means for an eight-hour day advocates Nazreen Bawa (SC) and Ncumisa Mayosi charge R22,400 and R20,000 respectively. They have worked every day over the past year, according to parliament officials

[@mikeshawa6190]

Fighting to work in the mines not to star Mining companies

[@ianthomas7819]

In June, the inquiry heard that advocate Dali Mpofu was charging R45,000 a day and that he would return to the inquiry if his rate was increased to R51,000 a day and that of his two juniors, from R27,000 to R30,000 for Bright Shabalala and from R18,000 to R21,000 for Benedict Matlhape. [R102 000,00 per day].

[@AngelNortje-wx6ww]

Responsible Corporate Citizenship?

[@icno123]

I mean its the same in the US with what Trump was saying in his presidential debates against Hillary Clinton, companies move and incorporate themselves in countries such as the Netherlands, Ireland, Norway and Denmark to avoid corporate tax because these countried are sort of tax havens, hence even J.P. Morgan Chase is incorporated in the US state of Delaware but it's based in NYC...

[@user-le7xs5mq4y]

Nationalise all mining In South Africa. Encourage the return of all of the diaspora to invest and build the motherland and unite Africa. End divide and rule that has kept the greatest people on the earth under the foot of the west.

[@AngelNortje-wx6ww]

So Nationalise the Stock Exchange? 29:35

[@SSgemes]

Mayibuye i Africa comrades ✊

[@ntetesemela9345]

There's where This country is heading, Privatisation of everything. Big businesses.🛐🇿🇦

[@matthewdube9237]

These are the matters we must focus on as South Africans - how do we also benefit from the natural resources of this nation. We are so worked about xenophobia and black hate when we neglect a cause this big.

[@edwardbua1120]

So disheartening

[@289063]

Mining is Nationalized. We need to Legislate the Ownership Management and Procurement Equity for the Monarchy Communities.

[@AngelNortje-wx6ww]

SAB, pay Him the Money! 42:34

[@ianthomas7819]

Mr Cyril Ramaphosa. His ventures were wildly lucrative - by 2015 he had become one of South Africa's wealthiest politicians with a net worth of about $450m (£340m).

[@biteyrankles138]

If you take a knife to a gun fight, you are bound to lose that fight. If you go with a knife to fight, you may very well end up in a fight. I live close to Marikana and they were definitely not peaceful protesters. It was dangerous using the road that goes PAST Marikana as they attacked private cars, burned vehicles they stopped, attacked the people in the cars. We got safety warnings when to avoid that road for a very long time before the police took charge of the situation. Be careful screaming massacre if you're not willing to investigate all aspects of events and make fair judgement accordingly. Without foreign interest and investment in our country, we have half our population unemployed as communist wannabe's are doing whatever they can to destabilise our country, of which propaganda is their biggest weapon. Don't fall for promises of everybody being treated equally, Cuba, Venezuela... go see how the people starve while the communist dictators live in such splendour, they put the British royal house to shame. Communism has and never will work because the people in power always help themselves while enslaving and starving the population. imo

[@shafiyaalgiquadra1105]

The dutch settler will dutch settler.

[@biteyrankles138]

@@shafiyaalgiquadra1105 The Dutch settler got to South Africa 200 years before the Congo Settler 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@biteyrankles138]

@@shafiyaalgiquadra1105 Know your history before you try to push racism onto me.

[@shafiyaalgiquadra1105]

@@biteyrankles138 where did the Congo "settler" arrive? In Europe? But before we even go there, you are conversing with a Khoi woman...😋

[@biteyrankles138]

@@shafiyaalgiquadra1105 The Congo settlers got to South Africa 200 years after the Dutch settlers. If you're really Koi and perhaps from Cape Town, we most probably had a beer together at some time or another.

[@anelentsaluba7364]

I totally disagree this company to be private.

[@denverchetty5958]

webster speaks the truth.

[@user-fh8bc4xj3p]

Vuka Lova uzenzele ezweni lakho so says the National unemployment coordinating organizations forum I NUCOF with the Concept of Uniting the Unemployment organizations in one forum.

[@AngelNortje-wx6ww]

Big Business, Big Government colude to create?

[@novonnasmith1072]

Sooo im guessing GUNS are illegal for citizens in SA? How is SA NOT ON FIRE?

[@AngelNortje-wx6ww]

@UDM, EFF, MKPARTY, MARIKANA MASSACRE PROTESTS, PLZ. ENKHOSI KAKHULU IN ADVANCE. 34:38

[@ThulaniGumede-gs7lp]

After all this debet plz take designs not just debet and not designs after you have make following

[@anushanaick9352]

please do a debate on th UIF Fund

[@AngelNortje-wx6ww]

Why should Foreign Companies have interst in South Africa? Just let PRC come open branches of their SOEs 12:13

[@shafiyaalgiquadra1105]

Investors are more invested right now in an active hot war in the Congo than they are in SA. There is a better business environment in war than SA apparently.😢

[@mariaqumayo9442]

Yho..terrible video title guys. Why is this not titled after what we are debating?😑

[@AngelNortje-wx6ww]

Just expand State Owned Enterprises to Coldrinks, etc. 34:38

[@thobilenelana8366]

Vote for eff vote out anc

[@HarmonicRezolution]

All one sided arguments, from the same side. You can only learn from opinions that aren't your own.

[@sandisocele9549]

For me, I say government should stop. Agents, that's the biggest thing that actually take people's money if government can just say people must be employed by their companies, then that would be the most biggest thing. There is because if you work for an agent half of the payment that you supposed to receive goes to the agent and government actually text. You from the salary that you have

[@edwardsmall8865]

This company i worked for grew very big. So i had a talk to the manager whether they can start pushing up our wages. After he had a meeting with management he told me in confidence that they cant because of mental effect it will have on the guys. They might get Big Headed. Arrogant. Stay away from work more often. And production will drop.

[@Ooutssidder]

Mining company should focus on business operation. Government gains licensing and tax income to fund social programs. The two parts should work on what they suppose to do. Don’t put company and workers fights with each other. Otherwise there is no economy and no jobs and no tax income. Don’t put government responsibilities to private business sector.

[@zolilenicolasbokolo7264]

It is wrong that people will devide the ANC and it's people and it's leaders because of Black Economic empowerment by Nelson Mandela and others at the time it was not Petrice Moetsepe a Cyril Ramaphosa to be chosen or availing themselves for black Economic at the time maybe it was Mandela mission and others at the time. All I am saying let's not allaw people to devide us any further.

[@thobilenelana8366]

❤❤eff

[@MohammedMussaAli-ez6cx]

It's the country call orania in south Africa how is the president of orania????????

[@dismondnakanyala829]

😊

[@user-nt6ki8rq8k]

Hallelujah, wow Wow,but guys black majority had been oppressed for yrs...Iam appealing to those different experts in different spheres of government as per different Departments...please this is the time for the truth to be shared and implemented as per laws in place...Let all mining,Financial, agriculture, media,political,Retail,etc experts attack systems that can't address plight of the black majority...🎉🎉

[@brucethackwell6686]

What you have is a corrupt SABC

[@shafiyaalgiquadra1105]

What you have is a problem of dutch settlers. Africans don't behave this way.

[@johankruger605]

You nationalize you will be 30 % worse than all countries who has done that. Nobody will invest when that happens. We need investment fast no monies then theres no jobs look at countries that has done that. Hunger that you will not believe. Give this new govertment and investments coming a chance. Land claims must be done soon. Let them start the economicks first. Privitise can create more jobs and make Escom to work that was done all over the world with constant electrical delivery and much cheaper.

[@user-nt6ki8rq8k]

Requests,let all experts,professionals, academics, knowledgeable, wise people, experienced, old and young, caring wealthy people join power,voices,authority and political will to fix the economic aspect in general...Black majority there must be a compulsory rule or law around the Continent of Africa forcing all foreign whoever or whatever to be regulated by community experienced experts if had to manage whatever is a barrier for equality to access any time of the day...Companies must be stopped from looting our minerals and take them outside the Country or place 🎉🎉🎉

[@brucethackwell6686]

Soon these workers will be replaced bye robots

[@sehularosiphiwe7043]

And soon we will take our land

[@user-hs7tz4nl5f]

African land,2000s are not fools

[@shafiyaalgiquadra1105]

😂😂😂yeah right, it would be the end of the class war. You are old enough to know this.

[@dineothwane8394]

Which land? The KHOISANS original land?​@@sehularosiphiwe7043 You know your ancestors were invaders in the country just like Europeans right?😂

[@sehularosiphiwe7043]

@dineothwane8394 how can african be an invader in africa. It shows self hate and stupid from someone trying to sound smart. People has stole our land you want to protect them. black people never killed the San people for the land, africans don't have history of colonizing khoi and the San they core existed. if you don't know what say there is nothing wrong with keeping on scrolling than embarrassing you self on the internet trying to protect to protect the racist white people who benefit from the stolen assets. And foresure your parents don't even have one hectic of land

[@ignited2aspire72]

Should have voted for eff to deal with these criminals

[@Draginsezluvnlite-jp8sv]

So Malema can buy more R30 000 shoes?! Hypocrites.

[@denverchetty5958]

black dom why they allow this black government to get rich from these mining company.

[@xnxo7237]

why not use the formula that the aparthied regime used under sanctions.When people get told that their constitution is the best and yet thereis so much poverty.Start thinking.

[@khanysiondende7546]

BRICS....now you start thinking. We not moving backwards.

[@marlow7079]

VIVA EFF VIVA!✊🏿 HLABA MKHONTO HLABA💣 #SENZENINA

[@ThulaniGumede-gs7lp]

Plz remove ramaphosa cz his corrupt

[@denverchetty5958]

mampara's have no common sense.

[@BpmZwane]

In which Minerals rich African Country are the Masses propsperimg ? Show me One 👀 ?

[@MrLechesa]

That's the problem

[@MrLechesa]

But the Middle East Kingdoms are doing very well

[@BeatsByZetan]

​@@MrLechesathey have leaders, not corporate puppets

[@MrLechesa]

@@BeatsByZetan I agree. In SA we reject Leaders and elect the very Corporate Puppets.

[@josebilla3613]

​@@MrLechesa Middle East is not using the same policies as the west. The West only wants to oppress and gain more profits while the masses are suffering

[@brucethackwell6686]

And a corrupt ANC

[@shafiyaalgiquadra1105]

The problem begins with the dutch.

[@silaskhalishwayo]

​@@shafiyaalgiquadra1105 Dutch settlers

[@shafiyaalgiquadra1105]

@@silaskhalishwayo thank you kindly😊

[@denverchetty5958]

what does this presenter of this debate cares. he get a fat salary.

[@mtaolengmariam2668]

Problem is black ppl were not given preparation to live democracy system. Democracy system means every citizen is the government so our ppl still live in entitlement of be given jobs though this system allows every one to be an entrepreneur to be job creators given in post 1994 , there are no enough jobs in the market. So we hv freedom politically but economically we are oppressed because blacks don't HV money

[@ThulaniGumede-gs7lp]

What's the way forward after all

[@thabodisane2044]

Nationalise all mines!!! Remove President Ramaposa

[@AngelNortje-wx6ww]

@SAFTU 19:24

[@margaretbuffong8220]

Everytime the Outriders/Enemies speaks with confidence. Or with a voice of authority or entitlements. Whenever the conversation is raised...."We Must Take Back Our Land"...People's demeanor changes. 😂 Face's goes red. Bodies slightly suffles in their seating position.😂😂 Their confidence immediately diminishes. It's always a Check-mate paralysing, crippling Words/Move to the oppositions 😂😂😂 😂😂Truth is The Truth. Replay it back and watch the room. Until The Rightful owners of the lands receive back their Ancestors/Family land Entitlement documents. There won't Never be peace. Too much prolonged talks only to silence and deflect the Big Issues on most of the audiences mind's. Sometimes I just have to laugh.

[@marysinclair3759]

You make me laugh. The state owns most of the land.

[@collenmazwi2451]

Black South Africa's majority decided to vote for the DA and ANC; it is a pity that most of us would suffer the consequences, our minerals cannot just be taken away without reasonable benefits,we need to learn from the policies of other countries.

[@denverchetty5958]

this anc government makes mu blood boil for what they do to our black people. it's sickening

[@BeatsByZetan]

Why would you feel sorry when we vote for them

[@cheznone9296]

Inciting action is wrong. Working as communities to show those in power you are not happy with the deliberate ignorance of the plight of people by withholding fair share of profits from mining is tantamount to theft. SA went to court to represent Palestine and make a case of genocide - well communities call in the world TV programs - show how you live how the mines are withholding your shares, how the mineral wealth attracts overseas investment and how that money never reaches the banks of SA. Demand forensic accounting of their books. Demand training and apprenticeships for yourselves and your children. Demand 10 bed hospital with paid doctors and nurses, demand school buildings and infrastructure for your children - all this to be maintained to the highest standards plus a share of the profits to be paid into bank accounts so that a paper trail is established as proof. If all these things can be achieved through negotiation and publicity entrepreneurs will be able to open business through the community investing in start ups. Like bakeries, internet cafes, coffee shops etc.