The BIG New Issues That Will Come With TBC

[@SuperJohn12354]

The first legendary bow was given to a rogue , the hunter quit the guild lol, he came back and got the next one, but yeah

[@kaelthassunstrider5665]

That's hilarious.

[@BigRizzy77]

This is perfect wow logic.

[@hizzousekakashi8836]

I remember my friend complaining that the bow actually sucked for him because with the loss of damage from not using ammo it wasn't really an upgrade for him.

[@gamersrevenge6528]

When guilds give melee a stat stick over a hunters bis weapon i get really mad too

[@heyLuhz]

@@hizzousekakashi8836 the ammo damage is baked into the bow which is really OP because steady shot dealt base weapon damage + X.

[@lolpaladins]

Boosting was super common in retail TBC, carrying a tank for offspec dps or someone's caster alt up to 1800 so they could afford their weapons to use for mostly pve was super common. It wasn't ever "fixed" actually boosting is MORE common in retail than it ever was in TBC.

[@poddcasetv]

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[@davidcardinal3654]

Ya that’s true it is also apparent they couldn’t advertise much in trade chat either. Most people back then weren’t using credit cards as much as we are now, so buying these services wasn’t as easy but it was certainly there.

[@karehaqt]

One of my favourite TBC memories is when me and my guilds GM each kited a Fel Reaver from HFP to A'dal in Shattrath with our prot paladins. Took a long time to get there but we killed a lot of people before A'dal one shot them. Worst memory: City of Light

[@Frostgnaw]

I initially started watching your videos a little over a year ago, in anticipation for classic. I enjoyed the class guides and pro/con videos, but now that you've transitioned to content and news related to classic, I just wanted to say that your videos are very much appreciated and I'm glad to have stuck around.

[@WillEmmo]

Thanks for sticking about!

[@andmyAlex]

I understand your argument about Glaives, but the one flaw I see in comparing them to Thunderfury is that TF came out in Phase 1 of Classic WoW. Throughout the entire last year, people have had the ability to run MC and get the bindings to drop and start the grind. Warglaives won't start dropping until Tier 6/Black Temple is released: the second to last content drop in BC. If TF weren't obtainable until AQ, then I think that would be an accurate comparison to the Glaives.

[@Rizzerio1]

I remember seeing tons of glaives on my server back in the day. We had like 6 guilds farming BT/sunwell. Usually saw somebody rocking a glaive in bg's almost every game also. You never saw people with both glaives tho, that was rare.

[@uoyredrum]

The main difference is that TBC launched with BT in the game, people just took a while to clear through the content and get attuned. I do agree with you though, it's not really comparable.

[@DankMemes-xq2xm]

I thought BT was the third to last, with ZA being the second and Sunwell being last? Does ZA come with BT and Mount Hyjal?

[@Calvinux]

@@DankMemes-xq2xm tbc released with 2.0, 2.1 was the black temple patch, 2.2 was voice chat, 2.3 ZA and 2.4 sunwell. black temple was released 10 months before sunwell

[@WillEmmo]

Its true, Id just like to keep arena more even playing. Like if /when wotlk is a thing I wouldn't want val'anyr or shadowmourne either. Even though SM isnt until a hard grind near the very end of the expansion

[@bogomilkrastev8336]

That's it if people actually get lvl 70 at all. Remember- everyone thrown in Hellfire Peninsula, the whole flipping server in one zone. You thought phase 2 and getting to Brd was bad :)) oh boy!

[@jespersamuelsson5507]

Well, most people are gonna be playing dungeons to 70. And the ones who plan on questing probably aren't the min/max type so they probably don't care to start questing on release and might way a few days to let the storm die down. It really won't be bad unless you plan on questing on release time Trying to get Ring Of Blood completed on the other hand is gonna require some late night gaming or preparation for some world pvp, but maybe Classic raid gear is better than those pieces you get, so maybe it won't be that bad, we'll see.

[@Marqrk]

If people care that much they’ll either dungeon or group up to go into later zones and grind mobs til they can start doing the zone quests

[@codysing1223]

"Onions have layers" -The Great Philosopher Shrek Blizzard going full onion in TBC

[@christinadawson6482]

Smart people will rush professions :) . If you rush mote extractor you'll be the richest person on your server by a mile.

[@user-os1xo4tj8q]

@@christinadawson6482 As if half the Classic pop won't be engineer in TBC and would have mote extractor.

[@campbell682]

No need to transfer to a pve server when your pvp server is 99% horde :/

[@Dualities]

how are pvp ques and dungeons ques when server is 70 horde

[@T3rrorBladeS]

@@Dualities Pvp Queues are cross-realms so it doesnt matter, unless you look for active world pvp which is impossible in 99-1 ratio

[@MellonVegan]

@@Dualities why would it matter for dungeon queues?

[@lardball976]

thalnos life be like

[@robertserban2422]

Just fight to youe last breath

[@sarahshearman9227]

Willie flying by at the begining got me 😂😂😂😂

[@ik7746]

Funniest shit I've ever seen Jk

[@anthonypearl6698]

Yessss 😂😂😂

[@coledalton5839]

Same

[@michaelblakley845]

@@ik7746 .....really?

[@ik7746]

@@michaelblakley845 no

[@marknicklason]

I can't *wait* to try and farm Primal air. ok...ill admit it. WTB Primal air, 150g each, pst

[@sergtrufanov5565]

Leveling a druid first, to get a free fly form at 66 lvl (if i remember well) and rush to elemental plateau is my plan 🤣

[@sonrors110]

@@sergtrufanov5565 68 was it i guess :D

[@sergtrufanov5565]

@@sonrors110 yeah its 68 in TBC, it was 66 in some add-ons, i quit classic like a year ago tho, and retail. And don't even know if im gonna play tbc

[@sonrors110]

@@sergtrufanov5565 same here didn't play classic after p1 I'll look into bc without any high hopes of being my next go to game

[@XxFanta96xX]

The ring enchants do not require enchanting as an active professions so have fun leveling it up for every new bis ring

[@Vedders91]

this needs to be higher up. Based on all the data and the pserver data, they all function this way.

[@PretentiousLatinName]

my future blood elf paladin "Fine *gets up from Silvermoon throne and grabs Seal of Blood* I'll re-balance this game myself"

[@1MoreTurn]

Pretentious Latin Name pretty tempted to abandon my alliance paladin, forsake my friends and guild, for that silence.

[@MrZarewna]

This is one of the things that need to be balanced. Either give it to both factions or something else has to be made.

[@maapaa2010]

Silence and SoB sooo creamy!

[@emmanuelviveros3399]

@@MrZarewna For real. No Changes was a mistake. They need to balance racials otherwise horde inbalance is gonna get worse in TBC. And when WoTLK classic drops literally everyone and their grandma is gonna roll human (not me, i play alliance shaman) for [Every Man for Himself]. I think the fairest thing would be giving seal of blood to alliance and nerfing horde racials or buffing alliance racials

[@rinsgravity2007]

After rewatching this video, I'm glad to see a lot of these issues have been handled. Thank you for informative video and I'm glad I came back for the second watch

[@pt9373]

leatherworking makes leg armor which is one of the best ways to make money in TBC. Also why are we acting like people will feel the need to get LW. If we learned anything from classic its that the raids are a joke, (Not gonna be any different in TBC), just have fun with ur character, play any spec, any professions and im sure you could still 15man a 25 man raid.

[@davidcardinal3654]

I’m not gonna try hard it. Sucks the fun out of a game be at the top of a leaderboard. My funnest times in this game was laughing during raids, not being at the top of the meters.

[@Leuk0s]

If you think that Faction Balance is bad now, wait until Horde gets BE Paladins

[@GraphicGamingHQ]

Scary thought

[@drhombre69]

Whats wrong with BE paladins?

[@user-fo8yq4dq9l]

@@drhombre69 seal of blood

[@knarwaffle]

I really hope that Blizzard takes these points seriously into consideration. Unfortunately I feel like they are very ‘hands off’ when it comes to Classic and see it as more of a nuisance.

[@shiravalen]

Judging by their performance these days, unfortunately maybe 'hands off' is a blessing.

[@niklasbergstrom9099]

It's nostalgia We praised these old Wow contents Let it be now Stop complaining and enjoy

[@ClasponChat]

hands off with classic was strongly driven by the #nochanges demand. moving forward they need to implement changes to the game as a whole. implement some of the good, eliminate some of the bad, correct issues that were fixed later on, etc. they could essentially make it a different experience on the same story and content.

[@pappo666]

i disagree many of these changes he suggest would be dreadful and kill it off pretty quickly

[@voodoo1069]

I personally really don't want to see people saying no changes for tbc. We had that with classic kind of and it was very meh. We have 15 years of experience and I think if that was used to address the changed player base for tbc it could be really great.

[@Cptraktorn]

I've always been for changes that make it better

[@ScrotusMaximus69]

I can accept changes aimed at preserving the original design intent. But no redesigns, streamlining, revamps etc.

[@aldeen9190]

NOOOOOOOOOOOO CHANGEEEEEEEEEEEEESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS !!! JK I have never played tbc

[@shiravalen]

TBC already begins to make the first massive tradeoffs from what people looked to vanilla for in the first place, e.g. losing faction-specific classes. Progressing to the next expansion is kind of interesting but, TBC isn't the thing that was originally demanded, and the most of the private servers that led to all this in the first place weren't TBC. This won't ultimately be a progression towards what is truly in demand. Ideally, Blizzard eventually learns the lessons from vanilla and creates something with the spirit and important constraints of it but with tweaking and polish, and just rehashing and developing on any elements that aren't actually crucial -- which seems possible (maybe?), though a ways off at best. And, the trend is for MMO's to keep increasing shortcuts and homogeneity, reducing it is basically unheard of. Game devs don't show they're capable of much restraint here in general, nevermind the somehow repeated failures of the past few WoW expansions, and Warcraft III Reforged. So, I don't know, they make it difficult to have much faith in them.

[@shiravalen]

@Michael Garrett But all of those things you listed are the kinds of things that give Vanilla its 'tough love' appeal in the first place, and yet is desperately hard to find in any active MMO now. Everything you listed makes something about the world 'matter more', rather than 'matter less'. That's not QoL, that's design choice.

[@AlexJay95]

The pve will be steamrolled with or without minmaxing proffs tbh

[@Zulujin]

yes, it will be piss easy just like all the vanilla content. we'll get a super watered-down version of tbc with all post-nerf 2.4.3 bosses probably. theres a reason all the private servers try to amp up the difficulty in terms of pre-nerf numbers or just flat out give bosses more hp. not that the latter is a good solution

[@bluntlyhonest6803]

Just like vanilla raids.

[@tdmc6428]

@@Zulujin looks like we aren’t getting that

[@dudzi30]

How will they deal with the fact that there will no longer be vanilla? Won't this just push demand for private servers again?

[@HotpocketsThrillerbarkPVE]

This comment is underrated. Somebody chime in on this

[@laszlo9420]

There will probably be Level 60 AND Level 70 Servers.

[@killval849]

The only thing I'm afraid of with drums as a Warlock is the damn threat meter lol.

[@VolkannGul]

Dw wlocks have Soul Shatter ability in TBC. So you can reduce your threat by %50. 5min cd.

[@purplepanda8805]

PvP bros: "I want to Pvp and get away from all the PvE carebears I am very cool" Also PvP bros: *plays on 99.9% dominated "pvp" server*

[@Aaron-xo5ud]

Also those same PvP Bros: Its unfair that I can be killed or purged while in the open world! Ban him, ban him, ban him!

[@divinityd662]

I play on incendius and we ended up going from 50/50 to 90/10 alliance due to a bunch of sweaty politics I wont get into. We have been trying to keep horde on the server, especially since the gates opened. The sweaties want horde for WCB and wpvpers want horde for obviois reasons. Stuff has been funneled to the neutral AH to help the horde economy but we are still failing to keep horde here :/

[@pokeman5000]

Yep, I love wow but hate 50% of the people who play it. Half the population are actually chill, want to have fun, and play routinely. The other half are as follows: elitist-no lifers, elitist-raid loggers, drugged up people who can't even function on a tank/spank fight, people who literally can't speak the languages of the servers region, people that xfer servers even when there isn't a que (lmao dad server and then bitch about the que on a high pop realm), and finally people who play on a faction dominated server. The problem is the latter half are often the loudest when it comes to REEing and thats why the game became what it is today. Sucks my server was well balanced, had around a 1k que come tuesday's and was almost always high pop. Then Blizzard ofc didn't lock it and it got zerged by refugees. Then all the guilds on one side dipped and the refugees followed suit. But hey, Blizzard got their pound of flesh.

[@TripleR3D]

Don't forget that the "PvP"ers only attack people 30 levels lower than them.

[@josephjoestar3627]

Divinity D damn haven’t been on in awhile and was legit just wondering how my server was doing. God speed brother pray for mergers.

[@MrBluevexlo]

Yeah glaives do just drop, but you still need to get into BT and clear it which requires a lot more effort than to enter and clear MC in classic.

[@peter26514]

Leatherworking in TBC had very strong Leg Enchants for Melee (AP & Crit) and Tanks (Sta & Agi) and could build an even stronger version only for themselves. So its actually not just for one item, although Drums were mandatory in TBC Progress Raids.

[@saurlex1368]

I always see people saying things like "Flying killed WPvP" but that's definitely not my recollection of TBC... People thought Phase 2 was bad, wail for TBC! :D

[@TheJmills39]

Just posted a comment about this... people claim "flying killed world pvp"... somehow they missed that you can't mine/herb/farm while flying. I remember world pvp being raunchy too. I think the "flying killed pvp" crowd is just spouting lines and don't actually know.

[@TheJmills39]

@John Smitty I wrote "can" instead of "cant", oops. Yeah... i remember flying down to a node expecting a fight more often than not. Also tons of pvp farming on the elemental ridge, and the sethekk world area. I just group the "flying killed world pvp" people along with the "I've played wow since beta" people.

[@theonetruth1478]

flying never killed world pvp it just made it more fun.... being able to setup gank spots from high up on some ledge above your target or in a tree....

[@CogniVision]

Flying increased it... nothing like farming grinding on mobs or questing and some level 70 swoops down from the skies because he was scoping out people to gank. I remember flying to a dungeon and seeing 2 horde questing together, I flew down and got the jump on them and destroyed them in a 1v2. Flying just opened up more options. It's no different than saying an Epic mount in classic kills PvP just because when they're on it you can't catch them.

[@d3c0y39]

While i would tend to agree, watch as people go out of their way to gank in places to force others to have to spirit res. The isle will be hell with streamers, horde used to have moments of clearing it of alliance on blackrock us way back.

[@cras17]

I was ok in general with nochanges for classic. But please let's take some common sense into TBC with us.

[@johnhandcock3242]

y were you okay with it in classic?

[@jackgus3636]

Primal air will cost 1k gold each cuz there is 10 mobs in the world that drop it:D

[@WarbossFraka]

Primal air mafia time lads.

[@olfan92]

it wont be worse than warmane. atleast blizzard has scaled spawn rates. so if theres 100 people at the spot it will pretty much be instant respawn.

[@jackgus3636]

@@olfan92 seems like some1 didnt play tbc launch

[@tynao2029]

im still amazed I got that Cyrukh quest line done in SMV beacuse all the air elems were being killed, somhow horde saw my totem and let me finish tho (private server much better than retail and free)

[@TortugaShop]

weren't there clouds everywhere that an engineer could suck up?

[@2ndcitysaint52]

the biggest issue will be for the medium to big servers, 4k people on outland will feel like 10k plus in vanilla they will have to put in loads of layers. Also did people forget about the tinnitus debuff in 2.4.3? Drums wont be nearly as important as these videos make them out to be if they are on that patch. You will still need drums but you won't need 25 ppl to have them. For people interested www.wowhead.com/spell=51120/tinnitus

[@booradley6832]

It does stop 100% uptime drum rotations but still allows for a drum "rotation." Does the debuff apply on drum application or on expiration? Because that changes the uptime significantly

[@rince5598]

This debuff was only added in 3.0.

[@Sofie424]

@@rince5598 Probably going to be in from launch then.

[@Shatamx]

I am in no way grinding TBC again. Enjoy folks.

[@maxinvasionleet]

Bye. Gtfo.wont be missed.

[@Shatamx]

maxinvasionleet Hope you never get your tier 4 helm token.

[@faylure9985]

what you mean by grinding tbc? newbie here

[@jimmyandersson9938]

@@faylure9985 TBC can be very time consuming, if you want the fastest flying mount there is a lot if gold farming involved, same with farming mats for crafting gear. Many of the heroic dungeons take alot of time to complete at start when people are in low gear.

[@faylure9985]

@@jimmyandersson9938 ooooh i see, thanks for answering, i know very little about tbc >.

[@PeroMenalo]

So what made the Legendary Bow so good was the fact it didn't use Ammo. Some abilities (don't remember which ones) when scaling with your weapon, did NOT scale with your ammo. With the ammo DPS being loaded onto the bow, it heavily empowered your skills

[@AtrumRes]

TBC is going to have alot of issues for the same reason classic had alot of issues, there's not blizzard run community managers or gms. So anything the players do to abuse things will go uncanged/unpunished until it gets so bad asmongold makes a video on it then they'll change it. Because it's not about the health of the game, it's about optics from the most popular people who play your game.

[@akhsdenlew1861]

No classic community ripped off their own eyes with this one. They were SO passionate about "NO CHANGES" that blizzard HAD to obey to this insanly high demand that the community made, NO CHANGES. But, they just didn't know... The game they remember was played by them back in 2005...with 2005 community, 2005 pcs, 2005 standards and knowledge.. not even youtube. For 2020, changes need to happen otherwise the weak 2005 systems are gonna get abused... Like the rank 14 grind with the AV premade wagons for alliance for example. Similar stuff will happen in TBC, and a lot of stuff will have in arena also...And arena abusing is a serious issue. TBC is a 2007 game... it needs re-adjustments for 2020 standards just like classic needed and didn't do them cus the community demanded no changes. Now the community hopefully learned it's lesson and will allow blizzard to make some adjustments for tbc that will make the game less abusable for 2020 playerbase. TBC also a lot of weak spots... not like classic, but they are still a lot.

[@faylure9985]

to be fair the baldmongold had his mouth full of "no changes" until months after launch. Edit: By that I mean that you can't trust the most popular people, because they will say what the crowd wants to hear until the porblem is so big that you can't look to another place, then they will start complaining about those problems. Everything out of convinience.

[@Opethjunky613]

I've played on a few tbc private servers and cleared sunwell many times. Don't worry about drums and legendary weapons so much. Its not really as huge as you would think it is. What I would worry about is whether or not they're gonna give alliance paladins seal of blood. If not ret will be completely useless for the alliance and it might cause a major faction imbalance.

[@candre5204]

@Asil Vil are you on crack? Classic bosses are harder than any wow dlc.

[@booradley6832]

@Asil Vil No, TBC bosses are much more well tuned. Think about how much better the tuning got as Classic went along. They were learning as they were going. Early heroic dungeons will show you a good time if you think the game will be as easy as classic.

[@candre5204]

@Asil Vil are you on crack? Classic bosses are harder than any wow dlc.

[@Cptraktorn]

Tbc servers are usually pretty scuffed to be fair

[@candre5204]

@Asil Vil im playing retail since 2006, what bosses troubles you newbie?

[@Jaigarful]

I do not miss the mess of farming primals in TBC. Making my Frozen Shadowweave set took so many hours because of how crowded elemental plateau was on my server. As much as I loved TBC, I have no reason to relive that experience and dump all those hours back into the game.

[@rudy1999]

Yeah and shitty crits in PvP because of resilience. Makes me think I will only play SL/SL warlock which isn't crit based PvP spec lol.

[@bluumberry]

Farming anything in TBC was a mess, now just imagine how fun it will be when the server populations are at least 5 times bigger :D

[@lordsideath6662]

layers 100% :)

[@sunrise600]

Damn dude, I am so proud of you. 70k subs. Man you are killing it. I hope you are moving towards making this your career. You always have an interesting take, for example the glaives in arena - I never played TBC but I never thought of such a good point! Sending love from Berlin brother

[@mathieuwiersma1660]

Glaives in arena weren't really much of an issue.

[@DeviousWizard]

I wish they would reduce server sizes, as they're way too crowded, ruining any chance for world pvp being decent. Even on PvE servers they're so crowded, resource competition is horrid

[@Kouzie28]

@@isaachaywood9629 xfer to bigglesworth people can come here and we have plenty and its near 50/50

[@DeviousWizard]

@@isaachaywood9629 aye I most likely would if I hadn't invested so much time and made so many friends and found good guilds on my current one^^ Though I def feel for those who remain on low pop servers. I've heard on some servers it's almost impossible to find people to do most content /:

[@lisavauhti7675]

Just wait for primal air farm. No single spot open to get them without discovering a alchemy transmute for it.

[@robertp457]

Devious Verendus my server isn’t low pop and it’s still hard to find dungeon groups now that most people are raid logging.

[@tuborg38]

@@robertp457 these are 2 different issues. One being Outland is very small in size, and farming spots are very clumped up. And as for the current situation with vanilla classic, people do not lvl anymore, and if they do they boost, or play with friends exclusively.

[@Kriegmann45]

The best transition will be Naxx to TBC since I never done Naxx in vanilla

[@kaitokun264]

The biggest problem will be faction balance in general; TBC is very unbalanced when it comes to factions in pvp/e. Horde has a massive pve advantage with seal of blood, Orc racial and the UD racial, whilst alliance have nothing that compares even slightly in that regard. P.s good video, completly forgot about the arena boostign thing

[@theguy3256]

I mean alliance goat men give 1% to hit for their party... seal of blood is great yes, but ret paladins still sucks so no big dead, blood fury for orks and berserking for troll is nice, but if you're talking min/max pve, +1% hit for 5 people with 100% uptime is way better. But UD racial is still better the gnome racial.

[@faylure9985]

but in pvp humans shine with a new racial right? never played tbc just asking.

[@Lodeye25]

@@faylure9985 Humans still perception in BC. In Wrath they get one of the best pvp racials of all time: Every Man for Himself.

[@christinadawson6482]

Drums isn't the only perk of LW if you can equip mail or leather. When Hyjal releases, those patterns are pretty damn nice. My Holy Paladin crafted the shoulders and bracers day one from farming trash, and if I'm not mistaken they're even MARGINALLY better than the plate version.

[@akhsdenlew1861]

Glaives might be a problem sure, but it's nowhere near the problem of shadowmourne in WOTLK.

[@arforafro5523]

Glaives had a very low droprate from the last boss in BT, they were good on warriors but only truly OP on rogues and you needed to have both of them for the big set bonus. SMourne could be completed in normal mode and it was stupid strong on warriors, dk's and paladins and it was obtained by collecting shards so its "garanteed" to drop. I'd be more than happy for them to remove Glaives as a rogue player (dagger 4 laif) just to avoid the last seasons of TLK PvP being dogshit with double SMourne TSG teams in the 3v3 bracket and warr/dk+hpala being the only viable team for high rating in 2v2. There was a very funny metric regarding the heroic Gloren'zelg which showed more players owning Shadowmourne than an H Gloren'zelg; why?, you didnt need to clear the 25H LK fight to get your Shadowmourne.

[@akhsdenlew1861]

@@arforafro5523 yes shadowmourne was stupid as fuck.. that's why the last seasons of pvp in wotlk were garbage. Paladin with warrior/dk 70% of the time is what u meet. And when u meet ret pally/hunter u die in 2 secs. Shadowmourne was definetly game breaking for wotlk. But warglaives were also a huge deal.... I'd be happy to have them both removed for the arena at least.

[@arforafro5523]

@@akhsdenlew1861 Lets hope they have #somechanges for TBC and TLK and remove legendaries from arena play, hell Im sure people will be glad if they get to Cata and they dont have to deal with FotF rogues too. I'd be down to removing them from BG's too but I'm willing to let that slip by.

[@danfontaine8179]

akhs denlew would’ve got gladiator that season but our warrior was too much of a scrub to get shadowmourne lel

[@jellyrabbits375]

11:00 Win trading and boosting was minimized in later wow expansions by removing 99% of rewards from pvp, so there is very little reason to win trade or boost although it still happens for the few niche reasons that exist.

[@baseballfan4877]

The pvp point.. yea after playing classic I have decided not to play on a pvp server anymore. So hope for some okay population pve servers

[@robertp457]

I think reasonable server sizes would be the most important change they could make from Classic.

[@bampie8385]

@baseballfan4877 i think there are many people thinking the same as you (including me :D)

[@1un4cy]

At least you can always go Enchanting/Leatherworking and have an alt mail you all the knothide you need, or buy it all.

[@ZerFayt]

101% not going to be playing on a pvp server on tbc. World PvP is just ganking 95% of the time. The 5% is not worth it. And for that 5% I would rather play arena.

[@CheyTacHD]

trying to find arena partners on a pve server rip

[@mean2y0u]

Big agree. wpvp is the biggest meme. Vast majority of the time its just toxic ganking/griefing and is an absolute waste of time. Arena is the only pvp that ever mattered in WoW and is the only reason I spent so much time on this game.

[@conorf8091]

PvE players are usually better at pvp. 5v1 world pvp Ganks take no skills, just more health pools

[@maxinvasionleet]

@@conorf8091 LOL

[@conorf8091]

maxinvasionleet facts though lol

[@stevenvantongeren9746]

I normally agree with you but I don't get the warglaives point, theres always gonna be people that are lucky, and you overestimate the amount of thunderfurry's guilds have. Our main tank is still waiting on his left binding and he has''n't missed a mc since the fourth week of classic. Hes sitting on 250 arcanite bars.

[@Fuminshou]

Raiding since week 4 as well, never gotten a single binding and just got our first two eyes back to back last month. Good luck in the future bud.

[@Volkain10]

The real issue with tbc is going to be 2.4.3 and post nerf content. If everything is in it's easiest state the whole game will feel too easy and like a joke.

[@lolwhatever7307]

T R U E

[@rokingfrost8446]

So like classic ?

[@Smurfen249]

Not only that, people will miss out on the fun with season 1 where Bloodlust could be used in Arena and where 5% got awarded gladiator because of a bug instead of 0.5% free 310% speed mount for thousands of players that had 1,9k raiting

[@antoineguerrier2965]

What about #YesChanges?

[@jimmyandersson9938]

Some bosses are pretty hard in TBC, even after nerfs. Playing on a private server, semi hardcore guilds usually took several months to down Muru for example.

[@D1rtySanchezZ1]

ye pretty sure they are gonna bring in the global cooldown for drums, pretty much how they have it in retail now. and legendaries arnt gonna be a problem, TF and sulfuras dont have a higher barrier for entry at all, its pretty much the same. like it says in the video people passed on bindings because they couldnt afford it, no one will pass on warglaives or the bow for any reason other then they already have it. ask anyone on retail with warglaives or the bow how long it took them to get , it took me over 3 years to get both warglaives; 163 illidan kills.

[@TheJmills39]

Confused... which is it, "flying kills world pvp" or "world pvp will be relentless in tbc"?

[@lolwhatever7307]

Oh no no no no. "I played back then" crowd wrong again, surprise.

[@simonramos5553]

It’s not world pvp. It’s just upgrading ganking for max levels

[@WillEmmo]

flying only really killed the guild vs guild stuff where you can just fly directly into majority of the content

[@TheJmills39]

@@WillEmmo feels pretty cool to get a response from WillE! I didn't see the notification till now. It just seems to me that they're mutually exclusive. I swear I've heard you say both in various videos, but maybe I'm confusing your videos with someone else. I remember world pvp being pretty crazy in TBC, but maybe that was just my server. I do agree though that nothing much happened outside of some places like TK/Gruul. SSC was a mountless slog from the top of the pipe, and Kara still had shenanigans outside (I remember the bridge being gnarly regularly). None of it, though, was like BRM I suppose. Love your videos homie!

[@gostreiver8036]

I’m not reading all the comments to see if anyone said anything But you absolutely can level enchanting, enchant your rings and then drop it and still use the enchanted rings. People min maxed like this in BC all the time The same goes with blacksmith sockets if they were in BC can’t remember. But I think the epic gems from JC weren’t added til Wrath

[@failgun]

I do not understand why the number of PvE servers is so low compared to PvP. 3 English-speaking realms for the whole of Europe is nowhere near enough.

[@liamhackett4865]

I'm on one of those 3 pve servers on Europe. Our server is tiny, even the biggest pve server is smaller than most PvP servers. I can say confidently that if we had the ability to switch to a PvP server alot of us would. But the only way for us is to completely re roll

[@RBaleog]

I recall enchanting my rings and dropping enchanting back in TBC. And I did that a few times, all the way until the very last patch.

[@pappo666]

yeah i have a feint memory of doing the same as long as you didnt unequip the item you could still use it with the enhancement i vaguely remember going tail ench for BiS gloves and chest then got JC for ring and necklace then waiting on rings from sunwell enchanted dropped enchanted and went LW

[@Primecat854]

Another Wille video, another intro that you never expect

[@Cthulhunoms]

This has to be the best "Willie here." yet!

[@thekyleprojekt7996]

Except you fully expect it obviously

[@shadowmist4111]

Win trading may happen, but boosting isn't quite as easy as you need so many matches over the coarse of a season to get glad. You can't just hop back on a team after boosting someone. Boosting/trading will happen, but I'm not sure if it will be as massive an issue.

[@MMitalauskas]

Imagine lvling alt on pvp tbc server. Some dude with flying mount sitting on your ass killing you whole day for no reason, while u can't do shit since u don't have flying. Kek . Look at the pve servers now, they are booming with lol lvls, every one is rerolling there , myself included .

[@WillEmmo]

Its gonna be a rough time lol

[@maapaa2010]

I had a mate that got 60 on pve server then made an alt on a pvp server he said he would get grief sheep spam for hours when trying to level.. sounds like totally toxic.

[@Dustbinlid1]

What got fixed to stop boosting? They remade the rating system so you could get high rated much more easily, and be at 2.2K with 50% win ratio. Aka. they lowered the bar, so people didn't need to get boosted, and the plebs could get their gear regardless.

[@rince5598]

You actually could level up enchanting, enchant the ring and then drop the profession. Pretty sure that min-maxers will do that.

[@tits1n1tats]

Thats what is done on private servers

[@WillEmmo]

Really? oof, yeah not a fan of that tbh

[@jimmyandersson9938]

Yeah I did that on a private server when I played, not a big deal since you do it first when you have the BiS ones, so normally you have a lot of gold by that time.

[@skullroman1867]

Another issue with PvP servers and overcrowded porpulation in Outlands ... elemental motes farming. There are, literally, 1 or 2 spots in open world to farm those EXTREMELLY necessary reagents for high-end craft recipes and the minority faction will never be allowed to get them.

[@faylure9985]

Will be the same it was with the scarab lord thing? People colluding to control the zone and hyperfarm it? I've never played tbc before and what you are saying sounds pretty scary to see 15 years later D:

[@Checkpoint_0]

I love the "Willie Here" intros lol

[@falkirkHAM]

I always rewind to look for him if I miss it lol

[@Fausty666]

The one thing I hate about Wow is that after an expansion or two , there's nothing to go back to from previous expansions . It basically all becomes dead content .

[@austinblades8903]

started leveling up on a pve server last week. Honestly, i think its where im gonna stay. it was fun for a little while, but yeah if you think phase 2 was bad, your in for a real smack across your face when tbc launches, especially if your an alliance player.

[@BleachRush]

I played alliance in tbh PvP and it was fine.. stop being too sweaty

[@robertp457]

BleachRush you didn’t play on a 10k population server with everyone in the same zone.

[@onepenny5382]

The creation of TBC servers will be a huge mistake. I don't think people want to relive vanilla-WoD again. We wanted to see what we "missed out on" in vanilla. But more importantly, we wanted to the normal simple stats back. For years the game has become more and more meta-y. Where there are only 1-2 options per slot for a useful item. In classic, and parts of TBC, we have multiple sets for different things. Instead of having flat rate Stam/Stg/Agil/Intel, we could choose everything there was about the character. From HP to mana to attack power, etc. This was all lost after MoP. We lost talents progression (now only getting 1 row per xpac If we're lucky and every xpac seems to just nerf you more and more), stat customization with gear, flying mounts in the game for literally no reason other then "We've had them before, and they're nice" (The only reason they were added was because flight paths weren't linked. So you'd have to fly to one place at a time.), every xpac blizz seems to add a universally hated mechanic (tables for example) and keep it. Players would love to like the newer xpacs. They're just terrible in the sense of too many shitty mechanics that took over for the mechanics we liked. I'm also just so tired of having to regear every piece every patch. My gear going from ok gear to absolute useless gear that no one wants to even look at is annoying. In classic I can use a full T1 set in AQ and no one say anything. I try to get into a retail raid, and get rejected for having even 1 il lower then the gear that drops from the place. I don't think splitting the the populations into what would be 3 different games would be the right move. Classic+ is the way to go in my opinion. Instead of releasing the whole xpac, we can get zones with raids/dungeons released maybe on a monthly basis. These would drop more meme/util or over sighted gear slots that are awkward to fill. Keeping the max lvl at 60, so anyone can come back and enjoy the game, if they took a long break from classic. Like after naxx, have 10 or 20 man Kara. It's like a difficult UBRS for raiders. Then open the portal to Outland, where we have to take over hellfire as we move through outlands slowly getting everyhing, but not needing it purely for enough to do while lvling. Then we could have a REALLY nice never ending end game, while not having to deal with lvling every 2 years. They can also go in and fix a ton of the problems with the balance issues, since it would no longer be trying to be a "museum game" that's just trying to focus on being what it once was. Blizz really doesn't have to do too much. Just keep the updates rolling with small amounts of content here and there, instead of one massive dump that cuts server pops in half if not more. I personally hate how we only use raids for a while then NEVER go back, or only go back to solo. Imagine if in retail you could do ANY raid. Allowing guilds to go back to Black temple for current gear, but let's say it's specializes in leech gear but also drops other meme spec gear, or cool trinkets that could be bis if you were crafty with theory crafting. I think being limited to only 1 meta raid every patch wares on people too fast. TLDR blizz needs to have fun with classic before they split an already fractured player base. I don't think it's about "reliving" our wow experience anymore, or trying out what you missed out on. We just want a good game, that's not filled with lazy bullshit such as corruption and flat mana/HP bars. We want it to be fun, not a mundane "Oh boy I get to regear again just for the sake of regearing" We want our gear to do allow us to do different things, like a pali having a Ret set, carry set, heal set, ect. Then we can mismatch to test and try something funny.

[@DYWYPI]

If TBC launches with final patch balance, as was the case for Classic, then drums will be a much lesser issue than people remember. 2.4.3 introduced the Tinnitus debuff, which was basically Exhaustion but for drums. You still need drummers, but you can't benefit from more than one per group any more.

[@Henkiixx]

This seems incorrect. Can't find any information about this in the official patch notes for 2.4.3. All that I could find was that this was introduced in the pre-patch for WotLK but then changed to drums not working for lvl 80 characters instead. I'm confident drum rotation will be a big thing.

[@RaidsEpicly]

if tbc launches with final patch balance it'll mostly be pointlessly faceroll raid content though, just like classic wow. Hard pass if they do that

[@someguy9970]

RaidsEpicly Ah yes, they should release the “pre-nerf” bugged and broken versions of the raids that were impossible. That’s what I want to spend my time on, having to spend more time on Magtheridon’s trash than the boss itself.

[@Cptraktorn]

@@someguy9970 Dumb take, everyone means fixed bugs/actual issues but no nerfed values. read through the patch notes, there were some fixes but there were massive amounts of nerfs throughout the duration of TBC

[@someguy9970]

traktorn No there weren’t lmao. There were very few legit tuning changes. Unless you mean shit like Gruul being impossible with 25 people due to shatter’s obscene damage and thinking that’s ok. Or Magtheridon’s trash being more difficult than he is along with most other bosses in the tier. Or the trash before Hydross in SSC being so overtuned that by the time you killed it all it started to respawn. Or how about M’uru requiring your entire raid to have leatherworking for drums so that it’s even possible to kill the boss? Are you saying you would prefer these raids in their broken and dysfunctional states? I wouldn’t, nor would any sane person.

[@fc6827]

Thor'idal not using Ammo is actually a huge buff for the weapon because the base weapon dps is so much higher for the bow compared to any other bow (to compensate lack of ammo). Steadyshot damage is based on base weapon dps and does not factor in ammo. This makes Thoridal steady-shots unlike any other. It is quite a huge boost. I actually got glad as BM hunter in thanks part to this

[@grumpyoldman336]

I cant imagine what its gonna be like tryin to quest after you go through the dark portal.. it will be a shit show that zone isnt that big...

[@zelden666]

Legendarys aren't a problem in TBC until the later seasons of Arena. Black Temple and SWP aren't out at the start of TBC, by comparison - Thunderfury and Hand of Rag have been available drops since Day 1 of Classic.

[@generalknowledge6463]

Technically, Thunderfury has a harder chance of obtaining since you have to be lucky to get the two drops and then complete a quest chain AND buy/farm VERY expensive mats. (Or at least they were nearing the beginning.) Also, BT may be released at the release of TBC - it all just depends on the patch they roll it out with.

[@uoyredrum]

1. Drums are only relevant in sunwell. They're always good obviously but there's no real dps checks in TBC prior to sunwell except for p4 kael for his barrier. And you don't need a raid of people with drums for that because it's a small burst window. You probably won't see a ton of people going LW outside of sweaty neckbeard guilds until sunwell, just like how most normal guilds didn't care about engi until aq40. I don't really view it as a problem, sunwell is doable without drums, it's just really hard. People always complain that classic is too easy, so there you go. 2. Glaives will be common but probably less common than thunderfury despite the cost associated. Black Temple is just much harder than MC, and the attunement is a far bigger barrier to entry than any vanilla attunements were. Thor'idal you won't see many of at all because that requires guilds to clear sunwell, and I think most people who sit around laughing at how easy classic raids are won't be able to do that. There will be more than original TBC obviously, but it won't be a common weapon. Also iirc it was bis during TBC and became worse during the pre-patch, though I could be misremembering. 3. I'm not for banning legendaries from arena simply because it's gear that people earned and they should be able to use it wherever they want. If someone invests the time to raid AND pvp at a high level they should have an advantage over people who just pvp. I get why people may disagree but that's just how I've always felt. 4. Boosting and win-trading was never fixed, it's been around since the beginning of arena and still exists. It arguably got worse as time went on, especially with RBGs. So it's not really worth worrying about, if you see people doing it, just report them. It's going to happen no matter what but the simple fact is that blizzard doesn't have a good system in place to stop it. The rest of these I don't really care about, but that's my 2c.

[@tuborg38]

Love your take on these subjects 🙂

[@uoyredrum]

@@tuborg38 Thanks!

[@jimmyandersson9938]

True, only fight drums is a must is on Muru basically, rest of the bosses is doable with just a few.

[@pappo666]

haha i wrote basically the same and went through to read and i see you made almost same post o/ i will always be laughing when i see a rogue with glaives tho since they are just totally useless in a raid

[@uoyredrum]

@@pappo666 what? Glaives are bis, especially in sunwell. What are you talking about?

[@thetaflux6267]

Leatherworking won't be a requirement in classic tbc. The reason why leatherworking was used so heavily was because it was a buff used to bridge the gap between undergeared players and overpowered content. You have to understand the context in which Leatherworking drums were used in TBC to get it. This comment explains it well. www.reddit.com/r/classicwowtbc/comments/fwv327/opinions_on_lw_drums_being_nerfed_in_tbc/fmr0g5f?context=3

[@thashroko]

boosting arena's is even worse in retail after they changed the requirement to get gladiator. now after you hit 2400 you have ur two boosters tank their MMR down to 1500 and you clap 1600 rated teams. you only need 50 wins with 2400 personal MMR so you go bully low MMR players with professionals

[@Rizzerio1]

yup, played arena today and faced maybe 10 people tanking their rating on purpose. Run out and afk in middle of map for quick loss. The echo farming/boosting makes arena so miserable.

[@WillEmmo]

well damn, thought it would have improved

[@Presence_o_Mind]

@@Sprayzor123 damn.. That's such bullshit.

[@cryptfire3158]

@@Sprayzor123 League of world of Legendcraft is my favorite game.

[@thahjosh]

My biggest worry is server faction balance. I played on Emerald Dream (RP-PVP) From vanilla through WotLK. I was only Max level in BC and Wrath. It always seemed fair and only slightly in favor of the alliance (I was horde btw). The alliance had dedicated PvP guilds, Horde didn't until Wrath. I still remember days of war farming at Elemental Plateau. I wasn't very hardcore back then either. Yet even with my throw away arena gear as an Sl/Sl lock me and my resto Sham friend could run shit up there for hours at a time. We were always polite too, we'd only farm wind since I could do more damage to winds vs fires. It was only when someone tried to farm both would battle ensue. Good times... good times. Edit: If you're from ED, NMM blows and Kingship does too ;)

[@ATDF1]

I'm fine with glaives being in arena. People just get too competitive with Arenas. You can still easily get to the ranking you need in order to get all of the gear without glaives. Classic WoW isn't, and shouldn't be looked at as an E-sport. It doesn't need to be completely balanced.

[@hvdhvd-zt3js]

Augest for prepatch and a September tbc launch for their 4th quarter earnings call. If you see 9.1 and tbc beta in June then that's when classic tbc will launch. September makes the most sense to have a mo eye maker like classic tbc launch.

[@ItsYent]

So because they took the time to grind BT and full clear and get lucky enough to get the drop they should be banned from playing arena with them? No that’s total BS , my guild has been clearing MC since week 3 of launch and we still have no TF should we say it shouldn’t be allowed to use TF during speed clears ? No because the other guilds earned it so they can use it. And using the point of it costing a lot of gold to craft TF is BS because we all Know how easy gold is in classic , if you really want gold it’s very easy to attain in a variety of ways. Glaves are meant to be something that you are proud to wield and perform with to simply say no you can’t use the weapons you grinded for to perform well in PvP that’s not fair,

[@n3v3r1s4]

Well, I mean, I see your point and it is a good one. One caveat though: rogue pvp damage needs to be nerfed flat out in some other fashion. TBC was early arena and balance-wise, rogues were simply OP against anything that didn't rock enough armor.

[@Insane_Kane]

Honestly the raids will be a huge problem for the playerbase at large. I already see guilds failing in AQ more often than not, mostly due to people barely understanding the mechanics. We had the same issues in original classic, we already took only the "best" 40% of people into the next expansion because of the new Raid size and we STILL had to replace alot of those because as it turned out we were carrying them through naxx all along.

[@adamjuzwik2888]

Personaly I found fact that PvE items did matter in PvP a good think, I had much much more fun when you coud play with all thouse PvE items in arena and even try more "glass canon" sets in arena or bgs. Sinc they started messing around and baning PvE items in PvP since MoP PvP become kinda "mech" to me. In my opinion Fun>>balance and rankings

[@mathieuwiersma1660]

PVE gear did matter a bit, just not so much Warglaives. But the AP on use trinkets were nice and one or 2 pieces of PvE armor like for example the Deathblow goggles were a good tradeoff for rogues. Still kept 370 ish resi and gain alot of offensive stats. But it wasnt really necessary. With full PvP gear that was enough to do the job.

[@BSwitchGTG]

Being in a sweaty dad guild, our mandate has been simple. Get world buffs if you want. On "parse" weeks (DMF in town), there's a bit more emphasis on this, but nothing - ever - has been mandatory. And we cleared AQ on week 1, have a 35-45 min BWL time, and are down to one main raid day a week right now. I say this to say that while LW is no doubt much more mandatory on pservs, my guess is that actual TBC servers will not find this quite as mandatory, and people will be fine. Much of this comes down to what guild you have. I'd expect we'll likely have about 10 LW's in a 25 man team, and will spread them out so we have 2-per group. I expect that will be more than fine. Personally, I'm going Eng and will figure out what I like best otherwise, and I would strongly suggest that if your guild is mandating which professions you get, you're maybe with a group that takes this game a bit more seriously than necessary. Remember when we "NEEDED" 250+ NR for Huhu? And...we kinda, don't? Legitimately, the other week we had all our soakers drop ALL their NR, and we were fine. The challenge built up in our minds, coupled with the overtuning on pservs, has proven that Classic simply never was quite as hard as we thought it was - provided you play well and gear optimally. As a Pally, I'd simply equip epics in Vanilla. I never had Baron's robe! I used Lawbringer, because it was epic, and it was plate. Cloth was for mages, not me. In Classic now, we simply are better, know more, and (if we care to) we utilize this knowledge and ability to much more quickly stomp content. All this to say, I don't expect LW to be mandatory, unless you're in the sweatiest of speed run guilds. Play the game to enjoy it. It's a lot of fun without all the extra pressure!

[@irtehdar2446]

I just hope they make TBC servers and dont roll the vanilla ones into it. 13 years of wanting vanilla back just to have it taken away once again. Release phase 6 and then dont touch the servers ever again. Make servers for other expansions but dont ruin classic again.

[@MyidolGwen]

character name reserves were a big thing before classic launch and caused a lot of uproar, if they dont roll the current server rosters into tbc people will lose their names, probably more than half of people will have to rename their characters, i think they will roll the roster over but maybe rename the server so like fairlina will be dubbed sunstrider or something in tbc, same server just new identity to distnguish it from classic... idk, confusing, i already know id lose my characters names in tbc because i know tons of other people have them, so which of us get to keep them

[@irtehdar2446]

Honestly I hope they clone the servers. So your vanilla character remains unchanged on a vanilla server but you get a copy with the same name on a tbc server. Its the only solution that would keep both groups happy. But knowing actizzard I bet they will probably just flip a coin to decide which crowd to screw over.

[@justinTime077]

HE SPEAKS OF CHANGE!! This is former president Obama and he cannot be allowed to speak for Classic!

[@Lighthammer18]

If Blizzard releases TBC in its final super nerfed edition then I won't play it. Plenty of private servers that are doing it much better.

[@someguy9970]

Super nerfed = not bugged or broken. The raids themselves barely got any tuning changes until 3.0.

[@Lighthammer18]

@@someguy9970 We're talking about TBC right? Already in patch 2.0.7 they started nerfing and retuning content, although oddly enough Karazhan was buffed. 2.0.10 retuned a lot of heroic and raid content. Gruul and Magtheridon were famously highly overtuned and I think their nerf was justified, if maybe a bit overdone. Still, if people back then could drop them prenerf I'm sure we can too. There are also later nerfs in the BT and Sunwell patches which made the T4 and some of the T5 content laughably easy and if we start TBC with those nerfs it'll just become a snorefest immediately like Classic is now. I'm completely fine with Blizzard nerfing the content as we progress through the timeline. The 2.0.7 and 2.0.10 nerfs happened a few months into TBC and Blizzard should probably do something similar.

[@TheDawnCrusader]

I mean go ahead and enjoy the PVE scene on private servers with buffed content with mandatory requirement of 8 Destro locks and 8 BM hunters every run.

[@Lighthammer18]

@@TheDawnCrusader at least it's challenging content and not just a snorefest.

[@MacikHU]

what happens with Season 1 and 2 then? we skip it and start with season 3? makes no sense... i dont think they will start with 2.4.3

[@m4gnif1cent39]

Never understood why you can't max all professions. This means you can do whatever you want and actually play the game for professions. As it is still today.. people will just max profession for enchant/upgrade and then learn something else again to max as if they have learned 5 professions.

[@Zorcon741]

There's a difference from buying a boost and buying a coach or asking for a skilled partner

[@faylure9985]

yeah that's what i was thinking. I've never played tbc so I would really love to meet someone who is willing to do arenas and help me improve.

[@zak8475]

I think resilience is the only thing i dislike about tbc, maybe because I am lazy lol. Your point was good about legendaries just handed to you instead of crafting them and going to long lengths to acquire them i never thought about that before

[@izeekio]

You're acting like it is easy to get attuned to black temple and then kill Illidan. Yes the glaves just drop, but the journey to them is the challenge.

[@Jerdor46]

Just like they said for everything in classic

[@akhsdenlew1861]

No it's not.. lol i was seeing TONS of warglaives back then.. imagine how many u will see now.

[@Goonberry232]

Keep pumping out the content. I will forever watch.

[@drenth27]

I played on the tbc server, drums where needed in my raid guild, but we where aiming for server firsts

[@britneyspheres7yearsago11]

Wherewolf

[@drenth27]

@@britneyspheres7yearsago11 yes? I am the dog boi!

[@Xius_WoW]

Drums are not mandatory for everyone since you have shamans to bring bloodlust. so you may only need a couple to have it to cover the entire raid

[@jimmyandersson9938]

Drums are group based, not raid. Almost the whole raidgroup need drums to have a complete cycle.

[@Xius_WoW]

@@jimmyandersson9938 I meant you have shamans in a few groups and then drums in the groups you don't have shamans

[@jimmyandersson9938]

@@Xius_WoW yeah but bloodlust / heroism from shamans only last for 30 secs, so you cant replace them with drums since some fights are 15 min long. You need the drums aswell.

[@ricardogusto1289]

In original TBC as far as my experience goes there was actually a lot less open world pvp because you could easily avoid it with everyone having a flying mount.

[@villiam872388]

Spot on, Whats gonna happen in TBC is, from lvl 60-70 there will be some pvp for quest mobs and herbs/mines, but once ppl get lvl 70 and get flying. EVERYONE will only "PvP" at the summoning stones for Dungeons. Its rare to find Open world pvp outside the stones.

[@Aaron-xo5ud]

@@villiam872388 What about farming spots and for dailies? The essence nodes I remember being pretty heavy for pvp.

[@aradlaghai1282]

as far as my experience goes in og tbc there was a lot of wpvp. maybe you were on a dead pve server or so? :S

[@Rizzerio1]

You can avoid it just as easily as you can get harrassed by it. All it takes is some guy to follow you around on a flying mount or constantly survey an area extremely fast to grief gank you when you mob pull or enter combat.

[@Dodgethis1337]

wait what? when i played back then the elemental area farm = always pvp in there, its either people are fighting or there must be grp of alliance or horde in there farming with each other, ppl would fight for mines/herbs, dailies = same thing pvp if u want, i remember when sunwell patch came around = massive pvp, only class that i've seen is having fun = druids, fly and pick herbs + move on, i remember we killed ppl who was afk flying = force rez sickness, then they fixed that, but i say it`ll be HUGE gankfest believe me.

[@Jackel159357]

Great video, I really think we should start having these conversations now so we can get consensus in the community to push for Blizzard to make changes in TBC for the health of the game. I am very worried about TBC, I feel that it has a high probability of being terrible unless Blizzard makes some smart changes to the game. I feel that a big problem with TBC is going to be how the way classic has turned out differently from vanilla will impact TBC especially in the early stages of the game. A few things that I think are going to be a major issue are: There is just too much gold in the system (largely due to mages). What this is going to do is make important crafting materials very very expensive at the start of the expansion and unobtainable for many players. Basically if you didn't have a mage in Classic and farmed 10k gold you are going to be put at a massive disadvantage in TBC. Its well known that Naxx T3 is very powerful especially for certain classes. Players who have a lot of Naxxramas gear are going to blast through the early content in TBC. This is going to create a situation whereby players who played through classic will be at a distinct advantage over players who are returning for Classic TBC or playing a legacy server for the first time. I know these situations existed in Vanilla but the environment was different, players on average had far less gold and far more players are going to clear Naxx40 in 2021 than they did in 2006. When TBC originally came out Blizzard was still creating fresh servers as the player base expanded which gave new players the opportunity to start on a fresh server. In my opinion the best solution to the above is to create two server types at launch. Servers where you can transfer your character from Classic to TBC with all of your gear and gold intact. Then there should be another type of server where you must create a fresh level 58 character. This would allow players who are returning to the legacy servers or trying it for the first time to be on a server where they are not at a massive disadvantage. Personally I would choose to play on a fresh TBC server rather than continue my Classic character. One big reason for this is I feel a reset at the start of TBC would create for a much better and fairer launch experience.

[@fatalexception1269]

That's a really good point about the new servers still being created during retail TBC. The playerbase numbers were still on the rise, so new servers were created that were largely populated by new players, who hadn't figured things out in the way that experienced players on established servers had.

[@faylure9985]

But doesn't the "fresh 58 character" hurt players who want to play horde palladin/alliance shaman? You are totally right about all your points, it's just an honest question because Belfs and Draeneis have their own new starter zones, so I'm not counting on starting a fresh 58 alliance shaman. It probably will happen but i think i kinda kills some of the charm of playing a new race. PD: I would prefer to start (or have a server with that option) from level one, so everyone starts exactly from the same point or continue with my classic chars into tbc. I know the first option is VERY unpopular (very few people are willing to level again to 60 just to reach the "new" tbc content) but as a new player that started playing in august I rather keep my classic chars on a classic realm and start tbc from scratch than watching how the elite of each server controls everything from minute one. Also, since I'm "new". ¿Do you think that the high end farming spots will be controled by mafias like silithus was during the war effort for the scarab lord farming? Imo seems pretty likely to happen but as I said I have zero experience on the subject.

[@maapaa2010]

Great idea. I need to make a belf come tbc.. so i have to start fresh anyway.. bye bye 'sulfuras' *cry*

[@faylure9985]

@@maapaa2010 sulfuras is useless n tbc anyway

[@jimmyandersson9938]

" Players who have a lot of Naxxramas gear are going to blast through the early content in TBC " . Thats how early wow worked, you get good gear, you get big advantage over those who have not. Besides, the green tbc gear you get from qeusting in hellfire is not as good, but not to far behind from the naxx level either.

[@1337139]

I know this comment is on every video but the gnome face in the beginning is getting better and better

[@chazhartwayne6493]

As an upcoming hunter(currently leveling) I will be Mining and herbalism until I have enough gold for the epic flying skill and mount.

[@arforafro5523]

As a Rogue main looking forward to "Classic TBC" and "Classic LK" I wouldnt mind at all losing Glaives in the TBC arena if that means I wont see Shadowmourne later on in LK. Warriors and DK's were strong enough without legendary items; and paladins dont deserve anything nice, ever.

[@pappo666]

Well as a rogue you shouldnt even get the glaives in my opinion specially not for raiding since warrior do so much more damage then rogues no offence if u really love rogues but they got hit pretty hard by the nerf hammer numbers dont lie : /

[@aesorn]

All the top rated arena rogues on private TBC servers don't even use glaives.... They use the Hand of Deceiver from the last boss of Sunwell because it's literally just better.... This was a problem during retail TBC because everyone was bad, it's not like this anymore...... Rogues still are dominate but not because of glaives.

[@jarad9946]

why are people so excited to play tbc but want everything changed or altered? nothing you do or change will matter, there was always be a meta, something will be better, the game will not be played as you remembered in the good old days, it will follow the modern gaming trend of min max blowout and not a single change or alteration of the game will matter.

[@Sam-es2gf]

name checks out while i agree with you i think these issues will be less of a factor for the average player come TBC compared to classic. if blizzard can at least create some uncertainty by nerfing drums and not make a complete hash of layering i'd be much more excited also.

[@AllnaturalStarWarsForceArena]

Other big issues are op racials for horde will create faction imbalance. Alliance paladins need seal of blood at least. Also, would like to see the raid content tuned up to be more difficult.

[@VulpesChama]

I'll be honest here: This min-maxing-mentality has become an actual issue for the broadcomminity. It's not even a necessary thing to do. Far from it actually. Only people required to min-max are actual competitive pvp/pve-players, who, let's be honest here, are not even 1% of the whole playerbase. This is the thing with WoW in general. Usually not the game is at fault, but the players choosing effectiveness over casual/social-fun. There's honestly no problem with the "no-change" way of doing things. That's how it was, and legacy servers are for this small glimpse into the past and not to create something new. If you want new, go for the standard version of the game.

[@generalknowledge6463]

There is no issue if players decide to have a group of people "min-max" certain content. That's the great thing about games - you get to choose how you play. Shocking, I know.

[@VulpesChama]

@@generalknowledge6463 The problem is not with players deciding to min-max everything they do. As said, the problem is with this becoming a semi-necessity, due to player expectations, even though min-maxing is far from necessary for any content for the broad community. And, as said, there is a group that has to min-max, which is the top tier competitive scene, but, as said, these make up less then 1% of the playerbase. For the rest, min-maxing is not necessary, so the competitive rules for gameplay do not and should not apply. If someone has fun to min-max everything, please, be my guest, but there's a difference between wanting to get the most out of your own gameplay and setting this as requirement for others, when it is simply just not needed. Therefor for the majority having "fun" should be the main criteria for playing, whatever fun means to you, And if you have higher expectations, you should apply these where and when they make sense and not with the broad community and random encounters with random players. Anyway, don't think I have to explain further what I am talking about, so I wish you a good night, if that doesn't fit your timezone, then it is a nice day :)

[@ericmuermann4133]

Guild layering is a possibilty. It would actually spark community interaction.

[@Mason_____]

Blizzards desire to put effort into recreating TBC is what I’m concerned about. Batching will be a nightmare for arena, and content needs to be progressive. There are far fewer patches for them to deal with so I SERIOUSLY hope they don’t release a copy pasted 2.4.3 with nerfed content, nerfed rep requirements, BoE Nether’s, and dailies. Not only that but Outland has limited and valuable open world PvE resources that will be extremely toxic to farm on a gargantuan server.

[@xXRickTrolledXx]

I’m looking at you, netherwing egg grind.

[@Dukenukem]

Again and again, 2.4.3 is NOT NERFED, 3.0.2 is the nerf.

[@Hewhowantstoknow]

increase spawn rate dependent on how many people there are in a zone (or, to not mess with people questing in areas where there's no real material farming going on: dependent on how fast the mobs die)

[@pokeman5000]

@@Hewhowantstoknow Mote mafia, multi-boxers, and gather bots on epic flyers say yes please.

[@kallmannkallmann]

@@Hewhowantstoknow u prob never played tbc lol. On a high pop serv most resorces was fought over. Remember leather allways beeing heavily farmed and loggin in at 3-4am and getting 30min of farming gave me loads of gold compared to meny other things.

[@robertserban2422]

Can not wait for wrath of the lich king classic,or legion,or bfa,or shadowlands classic

[@stevewright6632]

Guilds ran 2 raid groups in MC since like 3rd week, 1 binding lol

[@Fuminshou]

Damn bro, I feel your pain. My guild has been running since week 4 and we've never seen a single binding. Just got our first and second eye last month back to back. We've been cursed lol.

[@stevewright6632]

@@Fuminshou We had one of our tanks running an MC pug on weekends and he got 5 bindings drop lmao

[@Rascal157]

The real solution to the issues you've raised (leatherworking, warglaives and win-trading) is much more radical than anyone has raised to date and would be for Blizzard to add a community-led game changes voting system as existed in Old School Runescape. You've made excellent points but the reality is that the majority of them would not be addressed by Blizzard with the #NoChanges mindset. If we, as a player base, want substantial changes from classic (including TBC), we should honestly push for a community-led basis to non-insignificant changes. It's time.

[@HarithBK]

when it comes to drums removing the requirement for LW to use would do the job. nerfing or removing drums would make a fight like muru way too hard on pure number basis even nerfed so letting people just use it is the best compromise. as for the ring enchants they are very very minor within margin of error power gains even for caster where it has the biggest impact. when it comes to legendaries in pvp while it has always been a huge issue blizzard always said they were okey with that in balance. with the TBC options it dosen't actually change anything other than in mirror matches. in 2v2 warrior/resto druid and warlock/resto druid will dominate and in 3v3 RMP is the default always win with beast cleaves bursting down anything else. and 5v5 just being a cluster fuck. back in TBC i never found pvp to be an issue beyond the contested farming spots for primals and if you level later into the exp pack the ganking is mad. otherwise you gain very little from WPVP if you aren't doing things like nagrand to get the mount. you don't see summoning stone camping in live the pvp that happens is just people waiting for people so they can start. why would i camp a summoning stone it won't really cause you a lot of griefing since you aren't wiping world buffs anymore. a bigger issue is going to be mats farming. more people on each realm with a larger percentage of people raiding will mean all mats will be in short supply. if the purple lotus mafia situation was bad that is about to happen on all mats now and simply put all nodes will be farmed 24/7. as there is no forced spawn in TBC the mats just won't be enough. netherwing drake faction rep egg farming at the start is also going to be utter insanity since people will want to be first

[@Jaigarful]

Yeah, my server was pretty dead, I think there were 2 guilds even in BT before Sunwell released, and it was still a massive pain in the ass to farm on the Elemental Plateau. All it took was 2+ other players also farming primals (within the same area) to have all the spawns taken up for the entire server. It was redic.

[@failbait3020]

Good content as always! Loved to hear you on the call with Josh, you did well man! :) The only thing missing was "Hello, ladies and gentelmen WilE here" ;)

[@azzag123456]

PeeVeePee in TeeBeeCee

[@樂樂法利]

Hey Willie! I love what you say in your vids, your scripts are top! But maybe you could try and look at MadSeasonShow editing. Honestly, I love your stuff and just want you to keep succeeding.

[@Steve8864]

Personally, I think MadSeason should tone down his editing. So many cut transitions with over the top meme visuals and overbearing sound effects. WillE is informative and still has humour in the video without the ADD meme stuff. Prefer it myself that he didn't go down that road