The BIG Problem with Necron Lore: GW Screwed Up.

[@EonsOfBattle]

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[@lukecocksey2314]

Hi I got a sus reply to to my comment kill team is awesome just thought I'd mention it

[@tusk3260]

The Necron have the flayed ones as outcasts. They've existed for a long time.

[@acledfloyd]

We have a Silent King and a Whispering God. Now we need a Normal Speaking Volume Duke and maybe a Yelling Peasant.

[@leiziru9642]

IT'S ALMOST HARVESTING SEASON

[@jarcuadanantus28]

It's not *for* the Necrons. That he looks like this. It's for everyone else. For the Usurpers, the apes, and the Eldar. To remind them who they were, and who they will be, once more.

[@satanicmoose]

Agreed

[@123ragago567]

But isn't the thing with necron leaders that in the endless eons since the great sleep they have all taken their personalities and hubris to the extreme? Isn't the coming back as a savior of the race EXACTLY what eons would do to him after such a royal f up? I felt like his honour turning into hubris is a pretty understandable thing. Also, had to justify such a cool mini!

[@Sammo212]

They definitely have, they are petty and bureaucratic.

[@l.r.j.r.6356]

he didnt went to sleep he just wonder ashamen of his sins and crimes against its own people

[@Kasandra_]

Regarding void dragon, it's kind of a problem of perspective for it's cover photo. There is a big Canoptek construct (the wings and tail aren't actually part of the c'tan itself) attached to it's back and enforcing it's enslavement, it's even posed as if it was ready to slit the c'tan's throat (although I'd imagine that's not really a thing you can do to a c'tan).

[@aidenchristian4497]

I was gonna say the same thing

[@zissoulander]

The Void Dragon has a giant canoptek on it's back controlling it! It looks fantastic as a mere shard of a star god. The nightbringer and deceiver desperately need a similar facelift and size upgrade to match. Perhaps even a 4th C'tan could be added.

[@jeb5137]

I've seen a few people say that the Tyranids we know about in the galaxy are just the scout fleet, and TSK saw the whole fleet of Tyranids. If that whole fleet reaches the galaxy, all life is done, this why it's so important he came back.

[@malakimphoros2164]

That's weird, since he's probably not too fond of live himself, so why does he care? >inb4 returning necrons to life Water: 35 liters, Carbon: 20 kg, Ammonia: 4 liters, Lime:1.5 kg, Phosphrus: 800 g, salt: 250g, saltpeter:100g, Sulfer: 80g, Fluorine: 7.5 g, iron: 5.6 g, Silicon: 3g, and 15 other elements in small quantities.... thats the total chemical makeup of the average adult body. Modern science knows all of this, but there has never been a single example of succesful human trasmutation. It's like there's some missing ingredient..... Scientists have been trying to find it for hundreds of years, pouring tons of money into research, and to this day they don't have a theory. For that matter, the elements found in a human being is all junk that you can buy in any market with a child's allowence. Humans are pretty cheaply made.

[@Khobai]

if the entire universe is tyranids then its literally good game for everyone so I doubt thats the case.

[@l.r.j.r.6356]

@@Khobai yep i dont hink they are teasing the end times v2 just yet, with the return of a second primarch is even less likely for not say its impossible

[@larymcfart4034]

I don't watch this dude. But after him talk, I promise you! I will not look towards this guy for Necron content. I've loved Necrons for 11years, We are in the glory days!

[@abrarnoorani8385]

I think it would be super cool if they made a story about Szarekh where people won't listen to him if he isn't his old regal self because they've seen too many fall to the various curses necrons are afflicted with while Szarekh absolutely hates it but he thinks it's worth taking to stop the 'Nids.

[@SJdT0001]

To be fair, the void dragon does have that canoptek scarab thing attached to its back, eith scythes at its neck and an orb (presumably a weapon) pointed st the back of its head. I like to think that's holding it in check while the void dragon from the shard is still trying to look as grand as it used to be

[@adamhammers]

Can't wait to share my Necron Kill Team made of Skaven bodies and Necron guns and parts with you all.

[@nicolastousignant9160]

Do tell more?

[@ger5956]

This sounds really interesting, where can I see them once they’re done?

[@soffren]

Please post a link when you're done! I gotta see that

[@adamhammers]

@@soffren I'll be posting it all over. Been working on it for awhile. Trying to get everything as perfect as I can.

[@arkslippyjunior7773]

A cool way to field the silent king and keep his big model would be have a ruined necron throne guarded by two broken and beat up lychguard as the silent king sits on his throne defeated looking at a tactical map planninf his next course of action or something like that

[@ericzion9590]

Ohhhh that Sounds like the coolest kitbash project ever

[@SkallagrimGrimkjells]

I think the concept of destitution in exile is a very.. democratic ideal. There are no "citizens" of the Infinite Empire, there are "subjects". Its an important, if subtle, distinction that marks the way exiled leaders endure their time away, and more apropos, how they return. He is the Silent King, sovereign of the greatest empire the galaxy has ever known, the god slayer; he wields not simply a panoply of war beyond mortal ken, but the weight of eons. With but a gaze he can silence entire stars, a whisper can raze systems, and a gesture that eradicates civilizations. The whole of the galaxy is as it is by his will alone. This IS the Silent King traveling humbled and incognito.

[@richardharrison4762]

‘Since I became a Nekron I don’t have emotions, and that makes me very sad’

[@soffren]

Not sad, empty.

[@Thanoric]

A robot that is made has no memory of what it was like to have them, and nothing to compare it to. A human conscious being put into a robot would have references in their data slate. Emotions are quite a bit of the human experience even if we want to tout ourselves as being a logical species. Empty and sad arn't the same.

[@andystocking5316]

In my opinion in the lore Szarek should be some sort of wanderer, questing for the secrets that would allow him to reverse the biotransferance, and then make some "Necron Pharaoh" centerpiece model.

[@shipkipsamazingchannel3248]

They already had a necron wanderer character in anrakyr

[@dualitysoundlab3227]

Few points xD 1. They took sometime to contemplate about the bio transfer ( they did not know what would haven to them maybe with the exception of Szeras ), from the top of my head around 1 year, long time for the Necrontyr lifespan, they were aware of potential deception from the C'Tan but desperate times call for desperate measures k. 2.TSK was planning for some time the rebellion against the C'Tan but striked them after the War in Heaven was won , when the C'Tan were exhausted and weakened after aeons of battle. 3.TSK ordered the great sleep because he understood the Necrontyr, now Necrons, were too weakened from all this timeless war and susceptible against the new races ,mostly Aeldari , who were then blooming. The main reason for the great sleep was for Necrons to be protected by their extremely salty(for a good reason) against them enemies. That said, as a Necron main player and being my favourite race, TSK's story, return and his portray are fucking amazing, I love all of it! Just my opinion though!

[@NezrahX]

I can relate whole heartedly. I used to bring my 3rd edition codex to school and daydream about fielding Pariah's and a Nightbringer one day. Now as an adult I started up again a few months ago only to learn that Pariah's are 'gone' and somehow the Nightbringer has a worse model now...

[@jherazob]

Fully agree about Szarekh, and the model. But not quite on the Dragon, the thing crawling on it's back *IS* controlling it or at least containing it, On the other hand that doesn't look like a Dragon to me. I recall seeing a third-party mini that looked just like the official mini, only it was an actual dragon, need to look it up again.

[@MrLunarCamel]

The problem with GW bringing back all of the missing Lords, Primarchs, etc is they forgot the one simple rule: Never meet your heroes.

[@SmallRelia]

The necron tire 💀 Great video though. 😆 Oh and he did not mean to come back to save them, he came back to make sure that they could go through with their plan and undo his mistake. He plans to undo the bio transference and with no biomass other than monsters that just turn into goo when killed, they can not do that. And the tyranids do not have souls, it's one soul. It's all just one tyranid, so only one necron could turn into a necrontyr once more. And he plans to stop that. ^^ Oh and btw. The Void dragon was not shattered by the necrons. The void dragon was shattered ONCE by king Szarek himself and only once. There is exactly 2 pieces. One in the mars and one among the necrons that they can use, it is still the most powerful of them all bc it is just 50%.

[@soffren]

Roboute Guilliman: *sigh of depression* Commander Farsight: *sigh of depression* Eldrad Ulthran: *sigh of depression* Szarekh: *robotic sigh of depression* Ghazghkull Mag Uruk Thraka: "LETS GOOOOO"

[@converseroo101]

You need to get on the 360 view of the ctan and look round the back - there is a Necron construct with its scythes pincered by the ctans neck, keeping it enslaved to their will

[@oblivionfan345Tony]

I don't think they'll kill the emperor because the Imperium quite literally needs him to use Warp travel whatsoever. I could see them bringing him back though not ever giving him rules unless he's brought back as a perpetual God who when killed just revives on the golden throne

[@vipperblaze8923]

I like to imagine that whenever an important character is killed in a game on the tabletop they're not actually killed but either get teleported off the battlefield or they find a really good hiding spot in terms of necrons and tyranids it doesn't matter if they're slain because they'll just get reconstructed anyway

[@chasseurdedemon]

IMO, Szarekh, return because the tyranids RIGHT but not because they are a threat, because he saw what tyranid are and he knew that Necron could Handle it. what make him return was the though of what if flesh being feed tyranids so much that even necron can not handle it? or what if Necron reverse biotransfering ? He was not ready to let his Empire fall appart a second time. Also, Necron are not aware of Tyranid, they are just big bugs for Necron, More so, Necron fight each other like Feodal Kingdom without paying attention to the other cause Necron are superior and don't care about Imperium Eldar etc etc

[@zergrush_9704]

I think there is one reason which always go with tyranids - there are just too many of them, even for the Necrons, any time GW shoving to us Part of full Tyranid hive fleet in any game or book it is always look bigger than galaxy like 3 times at least.

[@christianvandenboorn6001]

the idea of the necrons in 3th edition was fun. It was a simple army with only units, no upgrades of any kind. The lack of options in the army, was what make it unique and intresting.

[@Wanten-the-stormtrooper]

Those are all very good ideas for a different story for Szarekh's return, but I really think a lot of the comments below have a point about him facing either hubris and/or being incapable of getting the Necrons to listen to him without reassuming his old, regal persona. When you have Imotekh the Stormlord as your main competitor, humility isn't gonna cut it.

[@adasteele475]

The silent king is a dictator of sorts, while in the ancient days of the necrontyr the silent king had his triarch peers speak for him, now they all speak with the same voice. He feels empathy for his people, but will not be stopped by anything to accomplish his goals. Everything is to try and redeem himself, at the cost of others.

[@Chris-lr2qb]

Jay, I got into Necrons with the original codex too. When I came back to the hobby at the start of ninth edition, I was very confused about what the Necrons had become. So you're not alone.

[@DatTeilchen]

let the Ynnari kill or defeat Slaanesh. Only to realize that Ynnead tricked them, Katan style. or he could be another Chaos god, or something something. There are plenty of options It could be like the Necrons, they defeated their enemy, just to realize they fucked up

[@Sammo212]

I really disagree, like 100%. Necrons are my favorite faction. Necrons are petty, they are fractured, they aren't mortal but hold onto all of their pettiness from when they were mortal. The Silent King, Szarekh, returns in a position of unifying strength. Necrons, as a people, ARE petty and love royalty and SHOWING their strength...Szarekh plays on that just like when his emissaries reached out to the Blood Angels he was smart enough to play on Sanguinius iconography. Szarekh isn't a "good guy" and if they made him be some noble figure in the Necron lore that would be super corny to me.

[@Dithyrambos-h5e]

Necrons are extravagant in everything they do. They're compensating for their bland bodies by being ostentatious. They gild everything, add unnecessary atmosphere to ships so they can speak verbally instead of just signal one another, and they put glowy bits on everything. Szarekh must be all of that and more if he is to rule them by merit rather than programming. If anything, the model is understated compared to what we've come to expect. Like, this is a guy that showed up to meet Dante with a death mask of Sanguinius on just because it conveyed the image he wanted to convey. Why would he be any less over the top on tabletop?

[@MortalGlare]

I 100% disagree with him leaving being the 'honourable thing to do'. He, by mistake, fucked up his entire species and then was so upset about it that he just abandoned them to sleep for 60 million years rather than acting like a true ruler and trying to do *anything* to help his people. That's how I read his story anyway.

[@mrmaster9801]

I have long planned to add a non-Imperium army to my SM and the Tyranids were my first choice, but I've tried them twice and they have been a logistical nightmare (expecially when fielding them). The Necrons were my second choice, a less cumbersome army, equally beautiful minis and a lore I did not know much about but which, from all accounts, was great. Seeking more info on this point, I got their 3rd edition Codex and was amazed by the quality of the stories inside. However, when some friends pointed out how everything had changed around 8th edition, I was kind of disappointed. Yes, there are more details now, more special characters and their society is much more developed. However, it seems like they lost what made them terrifying (to me, at least): the mystery, the terror of not knowing well who they were and why they were sleeping...or waking up to obliterate anyone mad enough to step into their tombs. I'm currently trying to cope with this "new" lore, trying to see if I can justify the bickering dinasties of today in light of the dark mysterious beings of yesterday, getting that good lore which to me is an essential part for every faction I play in every game.

[@minipaintingforyou]

Grumpy old man here, my favourite iteration of Necron lore was written in the 3rd edition codex. Mindless automatons, indestructible and with seemingly no other purpose than to kill anything that disturbs their sleep. They were the terminator T-1000, only a million of them. No politics, no emotions, pure terror. I know it wasn’t fleshed out like they use to do today. But that mystery made it even more terrifying. Those bickering dynasties buried Necrons for me. Thank you for sharing! I very much enjoy such lore discussions!

[@vipperblaze8923]

my main problem with the old 3rd edition necron lore is that while I think it is really cool, the tyranids already filled that role the army of unknowable soldiers who kill purely to kill, to grow which in a sense can also describe the orks though they do have a little more acknowledgment to politics than tyranids and even have farms and use teeth as currency I do miss pariahs though please GW I'm begging you

[@magnus80a]

I thought the necron (with the tail) on the back of the C'tan model was the one keeping him shackled? You can see the shard in the chest cavity of the model generating the entire body. As far as I can tell it's in line with the lore.

[@chrisbeau76]

I agree with you about the War in Heaven. I wish they would write a set of novels based on the War of Heaven, just the like the Horus Heaven. Did you know that Illuminor Szeras ceated the Bio-Transfer Forges based on design plans provided by theDeceiver? Apparenytly he was aware of the loss of t hier Souls, but he didn't care and he didnt tell anyone, including the Silent King? Also, they could technically destroy the C'Tan, however it would be even more difficult and when C'Tan are destroyed whatever aspect that C'Tan represented caused permanent erratic effects within the galaxy. WHich they discovered when they accidentalaly destroyed the C'Tan referred to as the Swarm....whichcreaeted the Flayed ones In a WD magazine short story, although he destroyed the Command Protocols which freed his race from his commands, when Necrons who either still opposed his rule or were still on the fence, the writer described that the Necrons from those Dynasties felt overwhelmed with the ability to kneel al ost as if they lost thier ability to control themselves the closer they were to the King....did he really destroy the COmmand Protocols, but he would rather his people the illusion of choice?

[@vipperblaze8923]

Szeras is probably my favourite character in all of 40k he's hated by every single necron yet when he offers aid as an exchange it's such a huge opportunity that almost every single time they agree to help him the c'tan that was destroyed was known as the flayer not the swarm and it's unclear whether he did put a curse on the necrons in the form of the flayer virus moments before his death or if it was actually a result of his death, maybe a combination of the two (though it is massively dangerous to destroy a c'tan, even just destroying a shard is extremely dangerous given the rule description for their explosion is called "reality unravels" )

[@MiniatureMasterClass]

My favourite part of the Silent King is how the model designers completely ignored Black Library novel lore when they created the miniature. LOL!

[@socalastarte6727]

“The Silent King, who is actually quite chatty” Brilliant

[@boredcryptek5513]

The problem with Szarek is that they left a bit of room to suggest that Szarek is not as noble as he seems. In fact the Necrons cannot remember anything related to him in life save that he was their leader. In fact their memories around him seem to almost push back against their minds. This may suggest he is not the original Silent King but some pretender returned to claim power he should not have.

[@slackeratlarge575]

War in heaven would be cool. A Wargame minus humanity is long overdue

[@DavLegit]

Szarekh, the Silent King, who's actually pretty chatty... lol

[@stephen9to5]

Am I the only one who likes the C-Tan in charge??? I would have like them giving the generals more personality. Like the Strom lord being under them but free to act. Then having the silent king being completely free of the C-Tan and not acting for anyone but the good of the Necrons. Almost how they did tau with farsight.

[@groglorb8980]

3rd ed necrons were the best, the slow creeping faceless night was just incredible. Space Pharaohs just make me think of the cartoon Mummies Alive! Look it up and tell me I'm wrong!

[@nicholaskovach2072]

Truth… I started in 3rd and was fascinated by the battle reports and the 2000 chapter approved rules. Nothing wrong with having more units, etc… but there was something awesome about a crazy tanky army that could only be defeated by trying to out kill them and force them to just “phase out” just as fast as they appeared.

[@groglorb8980]

@@nicholaskovach2072 for me it was just the feel of them, they really got the cosmic horror vibe of them spot on, and the artwork in that codex was just incredible! I don't mind the new units, infact they're one of my favourite ranges, it's just the moustache twirling villian vibe just makes them generic. In any of their plots you could replace them with a tzeentchian sorcerer, a dark Eldar archon, a rogue inquisitor o'r any other "scheming" archetype villian and it make no difference. When they were just relentless, creeping, cold, indifferent death, that was just so different to the other factions.

[@jarcuadanantus28]

Also the Void Dragon is a God! It should look like a God, the people it comes to kill should cower in fear beneath the might of a gloriously incandescent being of unfathomable power, that is absolutely unquestionably a God but ALSO a Slave.

[@Caddy666]

mate, its a dj booth for his silent disco, they only broadcast on necron frequencies so you wont have heard it.

[@graefx]

Really encapsulates my feelings coming back in indomitus. I got started with the Necrons with DoW and never picked them up because they only had the 3ed codex. But they always felt so old and unadorned, very grim and vaguely existential Dread. Just uncomplicated automatons killing everything. They were a great juxtaposition vs the biological threat of nids. I understand why they wanted to fancy them up and maybe it's nostalgia but it feels like ironically some soul was lost trying to give them more character. I think of the orange lantern larfleeze, if you add too much pathos, that character becomes less interesting. Sometimes being one note is what's called for.

[@Sammo212]

Honestly, that's just warriors. Warriors ARE just mindless at this point. The nobles have never been that.

[@Danzyr]

Yeah I love the old lord model too, how his skull just looks kinda like a regular necron skull, a nameless lord. I'm not a fan of all the fancy head decorations and stuff in the named characters.

[@ger5956]

Jay, I don’t think you fully comprehend the magnitude of threat that the Tyranids truly represent. Just think about the devastation they’ve caused with just the scouting elements, imagine what will happen when the main fleet arrives. Galaxy is absolutely doomed imo. Having the silent king encounter them in the expanse of intergalactic space and immediately know he needs to intervene or else all hope is lost should really drive home the threat that is the Tyranids.

[@gaelanmccann6686]

BRING BACK SPOOKYCRONS

[@hippiecheapskate]

Never really liked the newcron concept. It was never convincing that the ctan went from gods with the power to convert and consume the necrons to being enslaved by their erstwhile slaves. Either the ctan were powerful gods in which case they couldn't just be enslaved or the necrons were super powerul and couldn't be converted. Ward tried to have his cake and eat it too - making them both uber powerful and somehow conquering each other... And don't get me started on his FTL retcon. Boo dolmen gates. Inertia less drives are where it's at.

[@silver4831]

They where star being throws into suits, so it did make them more suspebtable to a degree.

[@Tyke-Myson]

Yeah, nah, our boi is perfect and this fits his lore perfect. When he returned, it's not like the guy was met with push back.

[@Kctcreeper]

I always saw his model as him coming back armed for war. He has his vehicle she is ready to defend the galaxy so thst his people may have a chance at returning to who they once were

[@Therealmanticorejones]

even though I understand your point about the void dragon it’s not really any different than the other shards as far as presentation is concerned. It just has lightning where the others do not.

[@81hewp]

Perhaps he said to himself “ It’s better to burn out than fade away!”

[@brionl4741]

Ashes to ashes, dust to dust It's better to burn out than to rust.

[@viktorgabriel2554]

thing is if he would not have arrived displaying his true powers to the full the Necron lords would not have joined him and he would not be able to force humanity in to the Alliance that he needs to stop the Tyranids as he says himself if the Galaxy dose not join him to fight the Tyranids then all is lost this means he also needs to convince the Aeildari. here is something that has gone over a lot of peoples heads lately Tyranids are the current big bad Chaos is secondary bad whit Tyranids being the bigger threat

[@kristianjensen5877]

It'd maybe be nice with variations of Szarekh having separate rules? eg. "The Humbled King" portraying him on foot with a tattered shawl/cloak with a "same base" entourage like Katatros of the Ossiarch Boney Bois or the Triumph of Saint Whats-her-name but also have a separate model for fielding him in his "Warlord King Incarnation" being the current "big" Szarek model? From a hobby perspective I think it'd be neat - what they did with Blood Angels Captain Tycho in the earlier editions, who could be fielded as either "normal" or "death company" Tycho, was definitely a nice touch in terms of incorporating character development into the game rules.

[@t_hetty1758]

I would love to see a war in heaven game or at least rules/narrative games. Using a mix of modern 40k necrons elves & new/past model units and variants as well as krorks and the old ones.

[@nanookook5453]

Same here. I started in 4th edition, with Necron as my first army (mix metal+plastic minies). Loved the lore, love the spirit and miniatures. And when i came back after years, read the "new" lore..it was disgusting..what they did to my loved Necron.

[@JuanThunder79]

I think we are about to see with 10th that the nids are just getting started... nom nom!

[@akumaking1]

16:900 where did you find that mini?

[@racerx9931]

Szarehk, the Silent King: Sleeps for 65,000,000 years. EonsOfBattle: Too soon bro.

[@richardmunoz4998]

but could the tyranid hive mind be the Outsider, and therefore an immense danger to the Necrons specifically?

[@vipperblaze8923]

the outsider is known the be imprisoned, personally I think the master of the hive mind is the Endless Swarm

[@Thanoric]

He didn't leave in disgrace though. He put them to sleep to outlast their enemies because of the Krorks and the Eldar that were brought into existence by the old ones to fight them. He severed himself from the command protocols so he could go out and try to find the solution to their problems. He just arrived a few thousand years later than he meant to.

[@damianolandi5003]

I swear, the new retelling of the War in Heaven is not as compelling as the 2003 one

[@zergrush_9704]

I think there is one reason which always go with tyranids - there are just too many of them, even for the Necrons, any time GW shoving to us Part of full Tyranid hive fleet in any game or book it is always look bigger than galaxy like 3 times at least.

[@ronniefc07]

Idk if this is a good take. He lost his soul too right? So no emotions just hard facts idk if it would be able to make him humble. Just cold hard math

[@MichaelGThomas]

Hey there. You talked about a funky storage case with shelves and a transparent front some time ago. Any idea which case it was?

[@agustinpuig4081]

Great video and great channel! About Szarek, I did not knew their lore, but it seems that Ward copy-pasted the lore of Ahriman, but necrons...

[@MercenaryQ]

My favourite bit of each video is how Jay transitions to their patreon ads. Always fun and unexpected

[@soffren]

I never know which pause is gonna be followed up with "and you know what else is-?" Or "but you know what's not-?" "-that's right! Our Patreon!" 😂

[@adamb3455]

Great video! But Jay, it's "Neck-ron-teer" not "neck-roh-tire"

[@skeletonnoise6178]

Ynari already failed, final Mcguffian is at Slanesh's place

[@ggadmire]

I think that is why Immotekh is so dope, Szarek left to mope and immotekh called him a weak coward for leaving his kind to wither away. He is sooo cool and ultimately wants to control the galaxy but is unapologetically bold and intelligent that he is a genuine threat to Sezarek if he is not on guard.

[@joesturn7740]

Please paint that sculpt! I need more Jay putting paintbrush on minis in my life.

[@nicolastousignant9160]

It would have been nice to have an option for Szarekh to be on foot

[@jodezero]

I played the first Necrons before there was a Codex. Didn’t mind the first history real army book, but then it got all weird. Too bad. I liked the idea that they were surrounded in mystery

[@jessicakelly1458]

Hey! Give it to us then! Kitbash that bad boy to be the underdog return of the king! Strider and all that jazz. I’d love to see you tackle a conversion to your vision of him! It would be really badass with the cloak and maybe the staff held out.

[@christophermitchell7001]

If the Tyranids are actually a manifesting part of a C'tan; then, yes... It makes sense that the silent king would come back/care Edit: why not try a kit bash of silent King and Conan on the throne of Aquilonia. That will give your sad regal aesthetic a kick

[@vipperblaze8923]

I have a theory that the c'tan known as Iash'uddra the Endless Swarm managed to escape the galaxy after the war in heaven and found the tyranids, then hijacked the hive mind from the control of the zoats (which I also have a theory that the zoats created the tyranids as a self-evolving bio-weapon and up until the Endless Swarm took over, had complete control over the hive mind)

[@ieet]

As a Necron, I fully agree. I will need to make my own version of him also.

[@timbrown4928]

Completely disagree with your take on the "return" of the Silent King. I can't think of a better reason to return then discovering the Great Devourer. He's even worked with the Blood Angels to this end. Love your vids just politely disagree on this. Baldermort's 2 part Silent King series is THE necron lore for me and the reason I started this army. I cannot look at this faction as the bad guys. What a beautiful and tragic tale.

[@briochepanda]

Interrogator : I think my Lord Inquisitor knows him. He said he was dead. Old Szar: Oh, he's not dead. Well... not yet Interrogator: Then you know The Silent King Szarekh? Old Sezar: Well, of course I know him. He's me. [Servo Skull beeps in surprise] Szarekh : I haven't gone by the Silent King since... oh, before you were born.

[@brushmans-guild]

The way you describe it makes me think of the Wanderer from the Diablo series; a shade of his former self, having sacrificed much of his power and diminished into obscurity over millennia. Never been a Necron player myself, but I definitely think your idea for Szarech is way more fitting of the character than the model we got; I s'pose GW feel like they have to go big to draw in the punters though, right..?

[@jamesshearer3936]

I don't play Warhammer, but I can certainly understand the attraction to a certain lore/faction/race. I have been playing RPG's since the late '70 s, and have never had a ruleset that would let me play as a Tolkien Elf. Finally Pathfinder 2e makes this possible. So I finally got mine, and my wish for you is you get yours.

[@QisforQadim]

That miniature of the 3rd party Necron monarch is a figure that's worth building an army around.

[@dmereel]

Where can I get that silent king model? I totally agree with you

[@ericmedved4795]

I totally disagree. Necrons were my first army also (even have some of the metal ones). I love the return of the king (pun intended), I agree with Yuri. I'm running a narrative campaign in Kill Team in which the different Kill Teams are trying to figure out an ancient old unknown Necron signal, I have this set in the Calixs Sector. It involves new necron constructions (miniatures from other companies) the return of the necron paraihs and the possible return of the Old Ones (and One Page Rules Star Children miniatures).

[@janschulte8434]

Who said that the Necrons died in their 40s? Multiple sources say that they had a short life span, but short compared to what, the half live of cesium 134, 2 years, the one of cesium 137, 30 years, or the life span of stars? It also says that the Necrontyr where proud people always hungry for power and thirsty for knowledge. As there are no limits to knowledge and power a species driven by those will never have enough to acquire everything they desire. Even a life of millions of years will feel to short. I my head canon the Necrontyr had a natural life span of hundreds of thousands to millions of years with Pharons and Cryteks extending their organic life even Up to billions of years and the treachery of the C'tan being, that by becoming Necron they just lost their flesh and skin, blood and souls, but didn't gain even a single millenium of extended life from the deal.

[@Materia-Hunter]

Jay, great videos! Quick question, what iPad case are you using? Me likey!

[@lordoflard1207]

That story sounds like Fear Factory first three concept albums. Now I'm waiting for the Acres of skin battle map

[@zephyrftw6256]

THANK YOU!!!! Since i got into 9th edition an learning more about the necrons I've felt the same. I feel like by coming back as he did the 60 Million year long sook was for nothing. I still need to learn more about it, but I think there should be a dynasty of necrons that should push against him, and are upset about how he hasn't learnt anything or something like that. Could be some cool necron vs necron battles.

[@vipperblaze8923]

I'm pretty sure Imotekh (phaeron of the Sautekh dynasty, the largest dynasty we know of) is not a fan of Szarekh, he was hoping to one day become the Silent King himself and Szarekh returning basically destroyed that

[@vashlex]

You just explained it better than the Necron Codex 😅 But the worst part of the codex is the introduction of the dynasties, it just didnt get me. But I agree the motivation of returning Szarekh feels a bit artificial.

[@christianvoorhees69]

I think you just figured me out! In all the different fantasy worlds I'm immersed into, I've never saw a different race of beings as anything other than human. I've always assigned a personality trait to each which always made easy to relate with. I might try giving your POV ago, maybe I might enjoy a different race other than the wargh boyz

[@Khobai]

necrons were screwed up the same way the borg were screwed up in star trek. necrons were much more terrifying in 4th edition when they were a force of nature instead of 8th edition where they became mindless drones led by bumbling insane villains. necrons were better when their goals were esoteric and alien and completely incomprehensible. When they "humanized" necrons and added garbage like necron politics and dynasties and the silent king it ruined them. Now theyre seeking redemption to gain back their souls? Thats dumb as !@#$.

[@sanguisdominus]

I think you need to re-read the War in Heaven... For example, they didn't go into hibernation because the war destroyed everything, they went into hibernation because of the Eldar, and the effect the highly psychic race had on the Immaterium. The Old Ones kinda... created the Eldar to fight the Necrontyr, and the war resulted in the Enslavers, a species of alien native to the Warp, breaking through to realspace and almost killing all life in the galaxy. They went into hibernation to avoid the Enslavers, eventually allowing the Eldar to dominate the galaxy.

[@Michigan-4632hoggan]

idk I really like the new lore and find it pretty interesting, then again I am much newer to 40k(just before 8th edition ended and a couple months before 9th came out). So its what I am most familiar with and what drew me in so it could just 1st exposure bias(then again it could also aply to those returning not liking the chage). I like the dynasties, the characters, the dynamics, and overall vibe they give off. I would like parts of older lore to return and be worked in, but at the same time the whole emotionless, completely logical, "no guys I swear it doesn't have feelings" robot that for some reason is overly emotional in its hatred(often done illogically to its own detriment) of life kinda feels overplayed(and besides you still get that in the destroyers & common necron warrior).

[@funnydreadking9237]

I got acquainted with Warhammer during the 4th edition, so I'm also biased, but I like the old necrons more, the gods of order are ancient competitors of the gods of chaos, in my opinion, more interesting than the feudal lords, their characters are cool, but the concept itself is less interesting.The destroyers, unfortunately, cannot replace the old necrons, they are deprived of many of the advantages of the old necrons (manipulating other factions for their own purposes, creating outcasts, enmity with chaos, they do not pose a global threat).

[@Insane_Kane]

The two helpers being dictated to are something even lesser necron lords have so thats pretty on brand

[@LazyLas]

Jay! Zero offense, but I have never ever wanted to play NECRONS BUT, after hearing that story… I need an army right now! Also GW needs you heading that whole faction, a misfit “good guys” sub faction!?! THATD BE SO COOL

[@Johndoe-co3pw]

I don’t mind how elaborate he is but I could imagine him as a a weather worn figure in layers of tattered robe with various elements of cool anatomy showing from various openings in the folds.

[@jakobm3442]

Is the terrain on the patreon pre-supported?

[@odharrison23]

Sometimes with the lore you just have to say ok. The king of England is still a king. He deserve the show and pomp. I have never thought about the void dragon model, you are right the lighting should be shackling him down. Thanks gents!! Fantastic as always!!!

[@MastaDRD]

Except neither of the other named C'tan models are like that, so why would this one?

[@odharrison23]

@@MastaDRD all the C’tan should be bound, not just the void dragon.

[@wyattbooth6372]

What if you put the sad Szarekh model on the device the offical device is standing on?

[@thenerfkid9228]

dude, the rebel necron is IMOTETK.

[@thekraden04]

See I grabbed my necrons during 4th so the lore I loved of a doomed race tricked by the c'tan and controlled by them has been long dead. The void dragon would have fit perfectly back then. I also don't like the silent king.