The Biggest Medical Scandal Of Our Time | Michael Shellenberger | EP 435

Dr. Jordan B. Peterson sits down with bestselling author and journalist Michael Shellenberger to discuss the shocking revelations now being published in the WPATH Files.
Michael Shellenberger is a climate activist, journalist, and bestselling author. He has covered climate for over 30 years, as well as AI, emergent technologies, the Twitter Files, and most recently, the WPATH files
This episode was recorded on March 18th, 2024
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(0:00) Coming up
(0:35) Intro
(1:47) The pseudoscience of WPATH
(6:15) PROVEN: doctors are not getting informed consent and they know it
(7:09) All you have to do to become a professional association…
(9:06) Gender and distress explained clinically
(10:51) Gender and identity confusion are the same thing
(11:42) The astounding evidence for effective treatment that is being ignored
(14:07) Enticed into denial, and waking up to the truth
(16:07) Rampant psychopathology, the UK starts banning gender affirming care
(19:38) The doctors involved did “no serious study or followup for adverse outcomes”
(21:55) Sadists are overrepresented among surgeons, profit margins of trans care
(23:19) Selective blindness to the spread of pathology
(25:20) Abigail Shrier, raising the alarm, and the initial sense of hesitancy
(28:43) Why the LGB communities are aiding in their own erasure
(33:40) The reality of transsexualism and autogynephilia
(40:22) Deep narcissism and a need for immediate gratification
(44:38) The pathologization of the Devouring Mother
(49:26) A clear trend of weak fathers in transitioner homes
(50:20) Snow White and the deprivation of growth
(52:15) Barbara Walters helped sell the lie
(54:59) Psychology of hedonism paired with force
(57:45) The shocking rate that totalitarianism is spreading
(1:01:33) Cluster B-Type psychopathy
(1:08:21) How does this end?
(1:12:28) The oppressor/oppressed narrative formula explained
(1:14:11) The monotheistic hypothesis and the end of the Enlightenment
(1:21:07) What lies under the sacrifice of one's own child
(1:23:13) Is there a secular version of the core transcendent story?
(1:26:41) Civilization isn’t good enough to unite; it must serve something greater
(1:32:15) Invitation over force, attracting the most people to greatest good
(1:37:51) The image of mother and child must remain sacred
(1:41:35) See how many snakes appear in the absence of faith
(1:44:59) “Cult is an objective description” of the WPATH orchestrators
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[@te4110]

Sadly, in America, this won’t stop until doctors, therapists, etc. start being sued - and receive judgements against them with severe financial consequences.

[@bluebird6300]

Agreed 👍

[@extremeresponsibility4325]

Where are the ambitious lawyers?

[@josephthybrother9534]

Only in America? You have more faith in people outside Ameica! The largest # of sex reassignment are done outside the US -Cansda, Western Europe, Iran, Australia etc.

[@solorollo9756]

Sadly? These people are evil

[@LawrenceChase]

The "legal" dilemma here is that because Trans Care is backed by the Feds--especially by current Executive Branch--this Evil is protected and funded. Full backing by officers like "Rachel" Levine and Dept of Education. And promoted by media like NPR. This is how corrupt things have become. People should have been up in arms over this years ago. Too many cowards.

[@marysisak2359]

Whoever leaked these documents is the biggest hero of the century. God bless you!

[@1312Johnny]

They wanna be careful..cough…cough..’Assange’

[@elliebelly456]

God bless every single whistle blower.

[@georginawhitby1320]

There is a history of trying to get much of this published that goes back well over a decade. There are a number of people who took great risks , and at least one journalist who paid the ultimate price in trying to get a version of this published.

[@KaitlinRoseKnows]

Seriously ❤ do no harm!

[@Rob-me8vp]

Hopefully they turn out better than the Boeing whistleblower.

[@RightDoc]

I have been a member of the American Psychiatric Association since 1986. I am a “Fellow” because of my longevity. However it is undeniable that they have lost their way and are failing my patients and all peoples. Because of that, my association with them after 38 years expires today, 3/31/24. I refuse to be part of their cataclysmic failure to guide the science of psychiatry/Neuropsychiatry in a healthy/logical and humble way as has been done in the past. In my opinion, they have abandoned the Hippocratic oath and betrayed the very people we have sworn to care for. In the past out patients included narcissists and psychopaths among the masses. Now the Association is lead by them.

[@kyers9817]

Excellent comment, good for you for getting out, but I imagine not without much grief, so I'm sorry for that aspect. Why do you think the profession chose to follow this path?

[@cynthiamorris2073]

Thank you for your comments.

[@TheScholarsHome]

Thank you for your courage! We would love to hear your story as well.

[@johnmalcolm3116]

​@@kyers9817well in Canada the politicians started pandering to screaming minority adding ammendment to laws that bias their outcome instead

[@eehlohluell]

I can empathize with that disheartening feeling of seeing something so precious to you willfully and ferociously gouge out its soul and replace it with something so hideous and depraved. Sorry to be blunt, but they've really fucked with the hearts and trust of Americans, in all institutions.

[@pattikyle9599]

Thank you to these two men who are willing to speak the truth to save our children.

[@meemz7098]

I agree with JP, medical licenses must be revoked and there must be prison sentences. This is beyond criminal.

[@verizon8134]

미국 사람 들은 당신 과 같은 똑 똑 한 사람 정말 정말 많이 있습니다

[@UnchainedEruption]

These butchers are the modern day Mengele. The Angels of Death.

[@flowerpt]

Medical licenses are how we got here. It's the devouring mother. It's illegal to do the right thing because of medical license. Caveat Emptor.

[@theBaron0530]

Won't happen. It's a piece of the Leftist/Progressive worldview, and it has taken over the profession, as it has taken over the rest of the medical industry, and pretty much every other institution in our society. Revoking a license won't dig then out.

[@ason4641]

So here in Washington state back in 2018, they passed a law that prohibits shrinks from doing anything but affirming this delusion in a professional setting. I think blanket jail time is going to be complicated. Though, I do completely agree with the sentiment.

[@DetransLizard]

Detransitioner here. We have to stop it asap.

[@bluebird6300]

Blessings to you ❤ You are so brave

[@daisyviluck7932]

Get the word out.

[@tactiks7468]

God bless you, I recommend reading the Book "the return of the gods " by Jonathan Cahn, it is an amazing explanation of what went wrong with our country on a national level.

[@susanturner9023]

Sorry so many of us were sheeping in the name of progressive inclusion. Stay strong, stay positive and glad your sharing. ✌🏻🙏🏼❤️

[@lechenaultia5863]

Wishing you happiness, peace of mind and caring friends and family❤

[@erikliljenwall8185]

I’m so glad that someone with the integrity and reputation of Michael Schellenberger is calling attention to this. This is one of the most important conversations of our time.

[@hadamerryweather577]

As a psychotherapist, I don't know what professional movement to join to fight against this malpractice... where are these groups?

[@dra2033]

Check out: Society for Evidence Based Gender Medicine (SEGM) or Genspect. Genspect was founded and run by a psychotherapist. She has a podcast & youtube show called Gender: A Wider Lens

[@bryonydixon550]

Genspect.

[@dra2033]

my comment disappeared but there’s also Society for Evidence Based Med (SEGM)

[@user-rv7ph1jl5y]

There are spaces on X that are discussing how to proceed against these horrendous ideas. KZbin, Wider lens, lots of info from there and many who are involved in pushing back on twitter.

[@browsebywire4096]

Good to know.

[@roneillecarr1721]

Keep your children close, keep them out of public school, and off social media.

[@simfimpim]

OR, take a stand so public schools move away from this stuff.

[@user-lv6xr2bk6d]

Be sure to allow your child to socialize. Fight like hell at the school boards, because it isn't just your children that they are trying to mislead. Try to find a community you love and respect, who will not steer your children towards trans ideology.

[@roneillecarr1721]

@@simfimpim I don't think they will. I have listened to tons of parents stories and there is such disregard for the parents and they are teaching gender stuff in sex ed class and confusing the kids on purpose. It's so crazy.

[@melissasmomglam]

I homeschool and I’m glad I did. ❤ It’s hard work but this stuff is beyond imagination and just wild evil. I didn’t even begin homeschooling because of this. I don’t know how these parents don’t lose it. I mean, you mess with my kids mama bear comes out. And I won’t stop until I bury you (metaphorically not physical). I would be obsessed. Idk how people just let it go and keep living while they mutilate their children. I’d call every podcast, every news station daily, and idk but I couldn’t just throw my hands up. Ugh …. That to me is the final straw. I would be like that for any child. Children are innocent and they are a miracle. They should be loved to be who they are while lovingly guided to the right morals of values of the Bible and God. We should all protect them. We should not allow this to happen. Not to kids. Between this and the sex ring crap, it’s enough. Enough is enough. These evil psychopaths need to stand down. ❤❤🎉

[@simfimpim]

@@roneillecarr1721 I get that but most people can't homeschool or send their kids to private school. Besides, even if one can homeschool or send their kids to private school, when the kids grow up and get out into the world they will be exposed to this ideology. So it needs to be stopped in the public schools.

[@VestaRoleplay]

The person who declassified these documents and showcased them to the entirety of humanity is the hero of this story. Thank you for exposing this.

[@paulastearns3074]

❤❤❤❤❤

[@dakinichick]

Women exposed this. Women have been exposing this for years. Thank you, Mia and the Reduxx crew - Genevieve Gluck and Anna Slatz.

[@QuitYoJibby-JabbinFool]

Thank you all!! Godspeed a d pray for those who are victims 🙏

[@adhardino9781]

Mainstream Feminists are still supporting this charade, channeling loads of money to their equity and victimising lobbys.

[@Geordie-rr2gq]

@@dakinichick So interesting that the left wing women putting their whole life on the line for this cause have had the least public voice. Says a lot about legacy media outlets.

[@lynz223]

It's abhorrent enough what happened to children during 20/21. Then when they can get out and try to go back to school, this stuff gets thrown in their faces? As a parent, I really hate learning the true depravity of these people.

[@mehitabel325]

"The good mother fails" is so true. One of the most difficult things we mothers (or parents) wrestle with is to know when we need to step in and when we need to let our child fall flat on his/her face in order to learn. You learn best from experiencing consequences, as long as the condequences are not debilitating or deadly.

[@trailblazer632]

And that was the part of the dual parent nuclear family that the father was best at. Knowing what risks were dangerous but not so dangerous as to be likely to result in serious injury or death. Part of that is because boys grow up learning by "doing dangerous things safely". Young girls dont learn that way to the same degree as young boys, and so their risk response is different when they become parents. The mother is best at nuture, that is absolutely essential for a baby. But as the child grows they need to start learning through experience and that entails some risk.

[@rebekahbarker7594]

As a mother of 6 the line Jorden said that really hit me was “ the good mother fails”. One of the biggest challenges of a parent and even more of a mother is not following the world in all its ridiculous glory. I never wanted to be my children’s best friend. That can be left until they are grown adults and I’m done raising them! My responsibility is to do the world a favor and produce, highly functioning, moral, balanced humans that contribute to the world to make it better:). It’s a huge responsibility, if you get it right, it’s one of the greatest things you will ever do. At 41 I have my first Grandchild and I can say…….. it’s worth it❤️.

[@Hannah-rl5lt]

As a mother of 6 myself you'd be interested like I was to discover he agrees and supports pdf file Camille paglia..he's a pos

[@melissawestlund1389]

I could not agree with you more!! I currently have 6 grands!

[@willmercury]

​@@Hannah-rl5lt What? Such an outrageous allegation requires proof of claim.

[@MrLiamHenderson]

​@@Hannah-rl5ltsure, whatever u say

[@susanburrows810]

You said it so well & it's inspiring -- especially for mothers. What an honorable & admirable accomplishment & pursuit. God bless you. Everyone should read your succinct encapsulation!!!!❤❤❤❤

[@nextstep04]

As a professor, I testified at my state legislature regarding adolescent identity development and cognition. The bill banned under age puberty blockers and underage transgender surgeries. We need to share cognitive development education to everyone as it is not being discussed with this issue. Testifying was at a high risk of losing my job. Every other professor and physician testified against the bill because it is the popular “nice” thing to do. I was attacked by angry parents and teens after the meeting. The bill eventually passed in our state and now the true “nice” thing is happening: young people are being spared this permanent butchering and parents are being spared from having to make that choice. Parents are being spared from their children growing up and being upset at parents for letting them transition when parents should have known better. Thank you for courageously talking about this!

[@nataleo9093]

great work!

[@Denise-yj3se]

Thank you! Continue the fight!

[@lissawalters815]

Thank you for your bravery

[@cinders302]

Congratulations for not selling out that which is moral and ethical

[@KH-aug]

Thank you for sharing this experience here. The courage it took -- risking losing your livelihood in bringing rationality and expertise to bear against the mob -- is exactly what's called for. It's just horrific that people with integrity must risk so very much. It's McCarthyist and worse. Four questions: When exactly did you submit your testimony? In what state (I assume the U.S.)? How long have you been with your current employer? Do you have tenure? I ask to get a better sense of how/where others can successfully fight this hydra, and to gain hope that the tide really is starting to turn.

[@maguffintop2596]

How is it nobody was confused about gender en mass until 2016???? Hmmmm???

[@r.m5883]

EXACTLY it’s some kind of agenda

[@clydegrey5061]

Funny how perceived oppression has become a popularity contest. 😂

[@setzz69]

Good question. We don’t know why but we do know we are going down a slippery slope.

[@maguffintop2596]

@@clydegrey5061 lol! Yes- they love crass irony- obfuscation, every form of deceit, etc.

[@clydekimsey7503]

Satanic deception

[@rosemaryalles6043]

Sue the lot. Keep suing them until they stop. Protect the world's children. Thank you MS and JBP. 💜

[@Batterybus]

Let's get real. It's evil. 🤬🤬🤬

[@arwenstrong2818]

Castrati is a synonym. If I say the real word, my comment is deleted. But you can still find the interview by searching "castrati" archive in its place, along with the name of the organization in this video.

[@kbs7340]

100% Evil 👍

[@babysis6.059]

Simply put 🎯

[@1312Johnny]

Real word? Aaah. Similar to ‘unique’?

[@melissasmomglam]

Yep and the world is being ran by psychopaths … time to make some changes ❤

[@justaguy328]

One of the darkest things i've ever heard came from a doctor at WPATH, and this is posted online, who said that people are able to change genitalia to match their gender, so they should also be able to change their genitalia to look like a flower, or to look like abstract art, or they should be able to have multiple genitalia. It is definitely the single most depraved thing I have ever heard.

[@kimpeterson4846]

That gives a whole 'nother meaning to Autogynaphilia (probably misspelled 😬) but think of it, Lia Thomas could go scr*w her own self and leave the rest of women alone....brilliant idea 💡 💙

[@merltope76]

This is the Gad

[@merltope76]

This is the god they worship and the more exposure of your “private parts” the more you want to decorate them.

[@timeforanap4268]

Like it's a simple body modification, like tattoos or piercing 🤨

[@Lalallalu]

justaguy328 .... before they are able to join the profession. Journalists too.

[@leestreeter7265]

Start by stopping our educational "professionals" from pushing this insanity in our public schools.

[@grannyannie2948]

But in the meanwhile your kids are in danger. In Australia I advise parents to get their kids out of government schools, and into private Christian schools, while you work on fixing secular schools.

[@warmom2020]

I pray these atrocities will stop. I lost my beautiful and only daughter to this madness. I am heartbroken.

[@zofiam]

So sorry to hear. I can feel your pain 💔

[@elizabethabbott2982]

I am so sorry; it is disturbing just to hear of this, let alone, as in your case, actually experience this and not be able to prevent it. It is the current environment promoting it; 20 years ago perhaps this may not have happened. I hope understanding will grow and if the person affected wishes in future, there may be remedies.

[@GunterZochbauer]

The whole medical field becomes untrustworthy if such things can spread without uproar.

[@ZYX54321]

It’s called a practice for a reason.🤫

[@daisyviluck7932]

There was uproar, but those voices were severely squashed or discredited

[@TriStarIII]

It already has, zero trust

[@rustynails68]

Exactly!

[@GunterZochbauer]

@@daisyviluck7932 But that means that too many work in the field who don't care about science.

[@sarahalderman3126]

As a nurse, it does not surprise me at all. Thank god I quit and got out after covid. The public has no idea.

[@helen9289]

oh we do have a good idea of what these quacks are doing to people covid was insane this is just as bad even worse

[@pierrelabounty9917]

I have heard others have left politicized medical practice in the bigger hospitals. Been usurped.

[@fuzonzord9301]

The thing is that he's making it a special thing, ignoring that it's pretty much how medical system in general works. Let's remember he's the guy that was telling people that experimenting with dangerous psychiatric drugs when feeling bad about one's life situation is "responsible".

[@kwimms]

@@fuzonzord9301He also eats dead flesh, got jabbed, and cries like a 12 year old girl. Follow him at your peril.

[@wallywest2360]

​@@fuzonzord9301Yup. I was thinking from the start of the video, it sure would be nice if we could get medical professionals across the board to apply critical scientific thinking to the whole system.

[@Tombuchaill]

Had gender dysphoria most of my life, it has lessened as I age...but was very disruptive to life, I also switched from being heterosexual to homosexual throughout my life. So glad this madness didn't exist when I was young. Returning to Catholicism 6 years ago calmed a lot of this stuff down. I must remember to have more compassion for these confused people because I know how painful their lives are.

[@elizabethabbott2982]

Hi Tom; bravo; people do get on the wrong path; it is my feeling that they were led or influenced at a vulnerable time in their life; suggestible .

[@TheLastSecretGarden]

My God, this conversation is some of the finest and most succinct work you've put out there, JP. Thank you, Jordan and Michael, so much for this.

[@faithsrvtrip8768]

I spent three or four months, after the birth of my 2nd sibling, running around with a blanket claiming I was Little Kid Jimmy. I'm female. I grew out of it. I also spent nearly one year running around as a horse. I ran around on all fours, jumped over the couch, whinnied and neighed. My mother had to tell me stand up and act like a human being in front of the neighbor. Thank god my mother had common sense and said "it's a phase, she'll grow out of it." Indeed, I did! And no doctor tried to sew a horsetail to my arse! Thank God!

[@cinders302]

I identify with your younger self, 100% I was very much a tom boy, galloped around (usually as a bipedal), and pretending to be a horse. Hated wearing dresses - to the point that I snuck a pair of pants to school on picture day and promptly put them on under my dress! It probably looked bloody ridiculous, but in my young mind I was no longer wearing a dress. Lol Somewhere along the line, I began to enjoy dresses and looking feminine, and I still can wear riding boots and go outdoors in a scruffy Carhartt chore jacket 😊.

[@lightisgood5023]

LOL

[@elainequinn9682]

😅

[@edithcunningham5713]

Neigh!

[@joretta8251]

I was a pony, developed a pretty fast trot. Then I was a dog, ate hamburger out of a plate on the floor. Somehow I turned into a girl then a woman. Last transition seems to have stuck for the last 60 years.

[@MarleeRavenscroft]

I have worked with children in public mental health. I have been screaming this for years! They started down this path when they rewrote the DSM.

[@paulastearns3074]

🥺

[@casterton31]

When did they rewrite it?

[@uncle_Samssubjects]

I tried commenting this, but you know censorship.

[@trishaholmeide2192]

Ah, which changes? When they decided how homosexuality wasn't a mental disorder or gender dysphoria wasn't? Or, are there ever more changes to suit the political and financial circumstances of the so-called specialists who determine what is or isn't within the realm of "normal" one day to the next to include in the Bible (DSM) for insurance purposes?

[@TractorDog]

What is DSM? sorry, I am not in this field

[@RonClifford]

This is an outstanding and disturbing look at the reality of this movement destroying lives but it's way more than that. This may be the most important, most immediately necessary discussion of our lifetime. Thank you for your dedication to the truth.

[@AlewynMarie]

What a privilege to listen to you both. Thank you gentlemen, sincerely.

[@danielkeesee42]

This demands a massive investigative commission, followed by Nuremberg scale trials.

[@joncottrell5382]

No point, any official investigation will be run by the very people implicated. What do you think they will report back? That they were complicit? That they themselves supported, encouraged, financed and enabled this?

[@danielkeesee42]

@@joncottrell5382 Honestly? I can absolutely see that coming to pass, the powers that be trying to soft pedal and bullshit their way out of it by way of a rigged commission.. Here's hoping they're held accountable as well.

[@beachedgamer]

You can have an independent commission, that is close to unbiased, see ICAC in Australia, hard to maintain but possible@@joncottrell5382

[@nicholascroker4057]

​@@joncottrell5382 very true, they won't investigate themselves

[@henrywolf5332]

Look into the Pritzkers, Billionaires fund the medical infrastructure. Surprise, same people at the top who did it before charismatic Jerman man stole power.

[@KK-mm8ms]

RN more than 30 years. I'm so disappointed in physicians I could shake them. We saw the same thing with COVID. Deny everything we've practiced, taught, preached.... it's devastating

[@strongmermaid4651]

Even though there's more to my story ok, I quit nursing bc c19 was my last straw. 25 yrs

[@texasinkedgrandma5366]

HIPPA and COVID 🤷🏾‍♀️ Why did Doctors force the elderly to take the clot shot to enter a hospital???? Retired specialized nurse asking

[@jules9465]

It is devastating. I trust no one anymore. No one!

[@maguffintop2596]

@@jules9465w/ you on that one!! Trust no one - nothing. Every rule, law, protocol was overturned. And why???

[@rymns]

Doctors are the tip os the iceberg, they are not those responsible for it, just the tool. RN and all health care are doing the same thing - RN are worse, since we have more women in it, and this issue is caused, most of all, by womens view of the ideal world.

[@David-tg2sb]

Thank you Micheal for you courage. My son is has ASD and started addressing this issue when he was 11. He'd been abused by a cousin during adolescence who introduced him to trans porno. Unfortunately his mother and I divorced in 2016 and they moved to a neighboring state while I stayed back to sale the house. While that occurred his mother took him to a psychologist that "affirmed" his gender confusion and recommended him to an Endocronologist that started him on puberty blockers. It was 18 months before I found out BY ACCIDENT that this was occouring. My heart aches so because of what his life will be now that he cannot have children and has developed such a VICTIM mentality of entitlement towards the government. These people SHOULD be put behind bars.

[@cecilyerker]

You have to put a stop to it David. You have to intervene.

[@cecilyerker]

He may yet still have a chance for a reversal and get some of his fertility back.

[@CSWRB]

Heartbreaking. I’m sorry! Google “parents with inconvenient truths about trans’ PITT support group.

[@elizabethabbott2982]

Hi David. All sympathy. Some readers seem to think intervention is possible; lawyers are costly but maybe there is some possibility? So much depends on going before a judge who understands all sides to the story.

[@TheScholarsHome]

Thank you, real men, for being an answer to my prayers. I so needed to see professionals, thoughtful people, to stand up against this idiocy.

[@zonnobux3945]

God bless Michael Schellenberger for exposing these medical atrocities!

[@denofboxers1996]

Lord, please have mercy on the children. Deliver them from this evil....

[@westb1028]

Amen

[@user-tm1ec2on6w]

Yes, and the baby boys from getting their penises scalped. Equally abominable.

[@the_commenter-id5ky]

Unfortunately the Lord seems to have left the building and is off playing Angry birds. Looks like we'll have to fix this ourselves

[@denofboxers1996]

@@the_commenter-id5ky the Lord God is very much in control of His creation. But you are right we have to do it ourselves by obeying Him through His Son, Christ Jesus. We can't fix it ourselves because we are sinful people. You have the right idea of doing something and we can accomplish His will by obeying Him. The Lord does not want anyone to perish but He wants everyone to have life in Him.

[@KayCeesFinest]

i agree ​@@the_commenter-id5ky this is an us problem

[@DryRoastedPeanut]

Jordan, it’s so refreshing to see the anger on this. Because it is outrageous and you are calling it out!

[@deniserogers3484]

Why aren’t there more people advocating for these children? Who hasn’t questioned why they are who they are at some point? I know I did and I brought it to my sister’s attention when I was nine and she was 18. She didn’t respond. Thankfully I kept looking for answers.

[@insidiousmischka]

“Child sacrifice to the demon of pride.” Wow… that captured it so well.

[@margaretsorohan]

Nailed it. And Abortion - Child sacrifice to the demon of vanity.

[@insidiousmischka]

@@margaretsorohan I’m in Sweden. Here abortion is voluntary, no questions asked until week 18+0 days. After that you apply for a permission in front of a committee and (now I can’t remember exactly, but I think it’s week 21) then it’s allowed only if the mother’s life is at stake. And I think that makes sense. I never had an abortion, but I had a missed miscarriage where my baby died at 14 weeks and had to have a D&C so that I wouldn’t die of infection - the procedure is exactly the same as abortion and it’s even referred to as abortion as my pregnancy continued despite the fetus being dead.

[@setzz69]

He couldn’t have explained it any better. 👏

[@roncoutanche5446]

Confusion is the strongest weapon in war. Michael had a calling and has risen to the challenge. Thank God.

[@alphaone2834]

Justice will come very soon

[@annlouise8909]

I agree. He has been called.

[@rymns]

One of the best videos Ive saw latetly about this subject. Jordan bright and on point as always. Not only Shellenberger is doing great things about free speech in Brazil for us brazilians, but about all wrong doings in the recent culture / world. Thank you both.

[@dead_or_alive2649]

Narcissism meets greed meets ideology meets propaganda meets cowardice meets corruption... Equates to a monumental failure on so many levels. Everyone of us will have some explaining to do to on this issue and why we didn’t stand up/stop it immediately. Society is basically failing and we’re watching it happen. Thank you gentlemen and to those whom are truly fighting this battle! 🙏🏽🙏🏽

[@elizabethabbott2982]

You said it. We all must do more. If we see a neighbor being robbed or beaten; it behooves us to run to help. Well right now people are being ruined. Speak up everyone.

[@andyadams79]

Dr. Peterson is on FIRE! Love it!

[@joshshepherd5660]

It's very very nice, and to see him back to being himself again. I think he is finally 100%. The world is better for it.

[@TheReaper569]

When was he not?​@@joshshepherd5660

[@luapjb]

He really is. I love his passion here.

[@rustlecompton]

He was unceremoniously marched out of UofT over this topic. Turns out he was correct

[@siamrain7277]

Jordan B Peterson when it comes to this particular topic becomes Jordan Fuckin Peterson and what a relief he's here to explain all this madness in terms that anyone can understand

[@Kitchener10]

I have tried to make people aware of this atrocity for a year now. Most just closed their eyes and pretended not to see. Some called me far right. Keep up the fight for sanity.

[@rustlecompton]

Far right just means your head isn't in the sand 😂

[@Lalallalu]

Someone wiser than me recently said do not waste your breath and time trying to convince people who obstinately deny there is a real problem and shirk any responsibility - concentrate your efforts on those who are sitting on the fence, i.e. those who are open to doubt and feel weak and confused - those are where your effort can most likely bring results. We need to form communities with people who share similar values and who are disgusted enough to want to do even a little something to stop the madness.

[@snow5962]

Mm, I saw this coming at least 5 years ago by now... said I could see the lawsuits coming. They will come.

[@bennym5244]

Same with the pointy things.

[@tomwinterfishing9065]

It’s utterly bizarre

[@WowHaus900]

Great conversation. As transition started to trend years ago I have not changed my position. There should be no medical transition until 18. Saw many friends fall victim to the ideology on this topic. And lost some because of it. Glad to see a shift in the conversation around the world. There’s hope this madness will stop!

[@grannyannie2948]

I would extend that to 21-25. In some US states kids can't even drink alcohol at 18.

[@kokyu]

Excellent conversation, each one of us who has eyes to see what is happening has a responsibility. We may never meet face to face, but we are all working in our own microcosm to stand up for truth and protect the innocent. In service and in love, we got this brothers and sisters.

[@juliettirina6829]

Never follow misinformation, non evidence based practice or trends. Always, always question practices and apply critical thinking on every aspect, event, care, treatment you encounter in your life. Bravo Peterson for speaking up the truth no matter the consequences! 👏👏👏👏You are leaving your legacy in the health care system.

[@mc1993]

A must read is a November 19, 2022 REDUXX article by Genevieve Gluck who really brought light to the deviant side of this.

[@OfftoShambala]

If they says there’s evidence, ask for it. They frequently lie that something ‘is evidence based science’ but yet there is no evidence.

[@suew4609]

"Never follow misinformation?" If you're not in tune with reality and truth, how will you know if it's "misinformation?" You won't. Plus, I don't want the gov't telling me what's misinformation and what's truth, because they have no idea themselves, and they're pushing an agenda! P

[@naturalbornscorpio929]

​@@OfftoShambala Ditto

[@1stdebunker]

this interview was entirely led by the Holy Spirit. It's absolutely incredible to watch

[@lessevdoolbretsim]

Shellenberger is one of the smartest, most interesting and originally thinking people around. Kudos to him.

[@kmacintosh1448]

Well thank God he had an awakening!

[@deniserothwell6325]

Check out James Lindsay too.

[@lessevdoolbretsim]

@@deniserothwell6325 Yes, Lindsay is an important thinker too.

[@dormasterous]

And he’s articulate! I never walk away wondering what exactly he was trying to say. He’d be a great lawyer

[@TheZeplinfan]

and yet, he votes for democrats. not that smart...

[@michellecarbonell707]

Dear Dr. Peterson, I recently watched a segment of your ETN interview where you discussed the likelihood of becoming Catholic. Your insight on living “on the fringes” and feeling that Catholicism might not be in your path resonated deeply with me. I understand and respect the journey you’re on and the unique role you play in bridging the outer fringes with the core of collective understanding, much like the chimeras protecting the Ark of the Covenant in traditional narratives. Your work and presence in these fringes are invaluable, acting as a beacon of light in areas often overshadowed by darkness. It’s a critical role, and your contributions are deeply appreciated by many who find themselves navigating these edges alongside you. However, I couldn’t help but reflect on the idea that while one’s work and influence might anchor them in the fringes, it doesn’t necessarily dictate where their heart or soul must reside. If in your journey, you find a resonating truth within the Catholic faith, I encourage you to explore it. The physical and intellectual work can continue in the fringes, but allowing your heart and soul to dwell within the “Ark of the Covenant” could offer a profound balance and fulfillment. The relationship one has with God transcends any earthly work, no matter how noble or impactful. As the parable goes, God would leave the ninety-nine to find the one that is astray. This isn’t to say that you are astray, but rather to suggest that there’s a personal journey of faith that is just as important as the intellectual and societal battles you fight so passionately. In closing, I wish you all the luck and light on your path. May you continue to be a guiding force in the darkness, and may you find peace and fulfillment in every aspect of your journey, including your spiritual exploration.

[@cecilyerker]

Amen 🙏

[@PattiS3]

❤❤❤

[@kathleenhensley5951]

This was an incredible conversation... thank you, Mr. Peterson and Mr Shellenberger. I learned a great deal... and it answered many of my questions.

[@SeleckPlays]

I do not believe it is an understatement to say that this is one of the most important conversations in U.S. history. Thank you both!

[@marthalorraine6983]

Seriously.

[@galenwilliamson907]

I'm a psychiatrist, and I have been trying to get the word out, but am finding that there are others in the field who are becoming aware and are shocked and appalled, but all too many psychotherapists (most untrained in scientific inquiry or evidence based medicine), who react with this news, whether about the NHS or WAPATH or Wash U or Tavistock or other sources, with undisguised hostility and defensiveness and derision towards me. Part of me wants to throw up my hands, but the better part of me will not cease in bringning this to the attention of families and clinicians.

[@KH-aug]

It seems we really must re-learn historical lessons over and over again, such as what happens when ppl blindly follow authority and turn their backs on reality and truth-telling. It seems ppl reveal their pack animal/tribe loyalty tendencies readily after being conditioned for years to believe that public matters are intrinsically political, when of course they aren't at all. But the degree of avoidance, of being unwilling to simply listen and think (not to mention care) is pretty damn shocking nonetheless.

[@grannyannie2948]

In some Australian states you face a ten year prison sentence for failing to affirm etc.

[@ruggab]

Epic conversation. Two heroic individuals.

[@toadsie73]

“Those who can make you believe absurdities, can make you commit atrocities.” Voltaire (attributed to)

[@carsondyle1793]

I live in Portland and this evil is around every corner and the parents are oblivious to the damage they are allowing. They just want their children happy in the short term.

[@paulastearns3074]

Do you think they are afraid that DCF will take their children away if they don't go along with it????

[@carsondyle1793]

@@paulastearns3074that could be the case but I don’t think they look that far down the road. My neighbor across the street allowed their son to fully transition to female without batting an eye lash. “She” rarely comes out of the house. Sad beyond comprehension

[@DrDeuteron]

Age?

[@tlindsay1007]

​@@carsondyle1793It's sickening that parents could allow their child to be mutilated for life. In a few short decades, we'll see a huge spike in suicides and mental problems in the adults who went through the transition. They will go after the adults who did this to them.

[@cecilyerker]

Portland is a shithole

[@MatthewEGolden]

Michael is one of the last true journalists left. I have a great deal of respect for his work!

[@user-tg1pu5mo2r]

What a Warrior Jordan has been! From that first time in the schoolyard, where most of us got to know him, until now. And his failure of health in between. We are so happy you are still with us and confronting the ugly truths! Keep it up brother. 🙏💪👊

[@debras1503]

This is so appalling, I love that you guys are TELLING THE TRUTH ❤❤

[@the_commenter-id5ky]

The scariest part is the ongoing pain and complications after the surgeries - they are every day and life long. Who really benefits from that? Pharmacy companies. So obvious!

[@Madonnalitta1]

Not just the pharma companies, sure, they love it. But this is top down, it's Malthusianism in practice.

[@tlindsay1007]

And politicians. Same with Planned Parenthood. They push the abortions, becaue they make millions every year from them. Then, they fund the Democrats campaigns, which is why the Dems are shouting the fake "women's health care" lie. Talk about evil, and all for the love of money and power.

[@grannyannie2948]

Just like jabs.

[@grannyannie2948]

​@@Madonnalitta1Yes the Malthusian Death Cult that worships depopulation.

[@vincentsmith8328]

Lies...Lies...Lies...Lies....The world is currently running on nothing but Lies...from every direction! Has the truth gone for good??

[@markworden9169]

A lie will be around the world before the truth straps on its boots, but at least now some of it is coming out, for years we had no good news at all.

[@susanturner9023]

God save us from 🤡🌎 I hope not!

[@Fahmbo]

It's careerism. Everyone's gotta make a buck...forever

[@Zanroff]

It's always run on lies, we just didn't know it.

[@treebrother]

Unfortunately we are going to have to endure it for a time. The silver lining is that this is a result of the ruling class losing their control over perception management. So in defense of a rapidly awakening public, They only know what they've always done. Unleash chaos, uncertainty, and misery in hopes that the herd will come crawling back on our knees begging for forgiveness and to be told how to live and think again.

[@666atyler666]

"It is no measure of health to be well-adjusted to a profoundly sick society" J. Krishnamurti

[@leahhanderson3737]

One of the best interviews I've listened to this year.

[@krisnaylor9488]

Teaching young people to separate their minds from their bodies and that they could be born in the wrong body is the most destructive, destabilizing, demoralizing thing you can do to them. THIS, in my opinion, has encouraged the nihilistic, life isn't worth living, suicide rates to skyrocket among this group.

[@michaelh878]

Anyone who pretends to be certain on either side is equally delusional. We just don't know enough right now.

[@krisnaylor9488]

@@michaelh878 I stated this is my opinion. What do you suggest? We keep experimenting on/teaching this garbage to kids for more data points? Nice.

[@michaelh878]

@@krisnaylor9488 You said the second sentence was your opinion. Sentence 1 was written as fact. Sad you are too stupid to understand yourself.

[@kittentacticalwarfare1140]

​@@michaelh878*Liar* We knew, this is why the medical condition gęñðəř đį§pĥöŕīą exists, and it's well documented. As an individual who suffers from it without social pressure or trend, it's repulsive they induce this condition into susceptible kids. Guess what the main trigger has always been? Æɓüşë in diverse degrees and forms but mainly SA. It's very clear one side is evil fueled by greed hiding behind ideology. FFS this is why the ancients had the notion of he soul and reincarnation, it's easier to think this one time around you were born as X despite ultimately being Y inside and beyond. That did reconcile the dissonance and confusion, making it be more of a temporal circumstance and not a crippling one.

[@unpopularopinionpodcast24]

@@michaelh878I think we know enough. It seems pretty clear to me.

[@SeanConneryPimpShlap]

Wish we had this same energy for psychiatry. Psychiatrists have been abusing "patients" for decades with pseudoscientific "treatment" and society doesn't care. It's tragic.

[@saracorbin1152]

My father was abused with ECT (electroshock)as a 70-aomething -- it worked "great" for his depression the first few times, and then after a few more times, his physical mobility, basic ability to walk, was impaired. When he tried to walk, he was doing backwards walking motions trying to walk forward. Stay AWAY from ECT!

[@saracorbin1152]

I think psychiatric patients are treated as guinea pigs more pervasively than people realize.

[@chrisbova9686]

Absolutely

[@Madonnalitta1]

It's a huge money maker. Convince people that they're living in the worst of times, and offer them all therapy and medication. A great cash cow.

[@cap-dange]

Love ur name😂

[@sallyfield3169]

Don’t believe for one second that the uk has overturned this. You can still get all the treatment once your 16 & before if needed. Also you can still have this treatment privately. We have a major battle going on in this country.

[@cherylgogo4176]

Agree! Agree! Agree! Thank you both!!!!

[@donellaritchie]

My 20yr old strongly autistic nephew here in New Zealand was preyed upon by online predators who talked him into him thinking he is transgender. This was during covid. Its tearing his family apart. He hasn't transitioned and his family are fighting to stop him making any lifelong decisions but it's not easy. He is like a young teenager and doesn't understand how he has been manipulated.

[@tlindsay1007]

It's frightening to have to try and fight against those manipulators and cult leaders who prey on the vulnerable.

[@grannyannie2948]

My heart goes out to your family, love from Oz.

[@mariaroncara2132]

An autistic person does not have the money to pay for the operation and the parents must not give them to him and no permission.

[@toadsie73]

See if you can find someone who deprograms cult members.

[@robertmarshall2502]

Genspect have some excellent Aus/NZ webinars that might be worth watching

[@shanghaiffgg]

This was my first time coming across Michael Shellenberger and I’m impressed. He understands the true nature of what is going on and has the empathy to go with it. Jordan great as usual. Fantastic conversation gentlemen, perfectly articulates what many of us believe. I am an Irishman living China and I have had brutal discussions with my brother and sister and others back in Ireland who have embraced this woke trans ideology. It’s just unbelievable what otherwise sane lucid people are supporting, or at a minimum accepting. Anyone who mutilates the body of a child, irrespective of whatever BS reasons they give, should be sentenced accordingly. They should be treated as if they hacked off the child’s limbs.

[@miekesmit7012]

Now watch his speech on climate change. Eye-opening. Just what you felt is wrong explained

[@Madonnalitta1]

He was one of the independent journalists that worked on the Twitter files, that was when I noticed him.

[@paulfroelich1024]

What's the deal with Ireland? They went from Catholicism to something insanely worse within less than twenty years. Am I missing something?

[@jladdyost]

Oh, if you think he's good with this, he's great about not fighting climate change with stupid! "Apocalypse Never". Or how to be more like the Netherlands and not allow open drug markets in the streets--making people get treatment instead of giving them the "freedom" to die on the streets, covered in their own filth. "San Fransicko". This guy is a walking solution to problems cowards won't touch.

[@jladdyost]

To your point, you can lose a limb and still have children and/or a sexual relationship with another person. This is worse than cutting off an arm without informed consent, which children and mentally ill people cannot give. Dig the part about getting consent from each of a person's many personalities! Sounds like a Monty Python sketch. "Come out, Nigel. You're the last holdout. All the other chaps inside you want to be a girly, just like your dear Papaers!"

[@michaelsimpson9779]

Keep up the pressure, Men.

[@JasonSilverMusic]

Wow, that was so intense. A great conversation, and moved me to tears at one point, when reflecting on the risks of bringing children into the world, and the real sacrifice that is. (I have four children, aged 17 to 28, and I've seen the world chew them up and spit them out). It's so overwhelming and stimulating to look in on two people pushing the limits of communication and insight! I really love stuff like this.

[@MrsRanchoFiesta]

Imagine what California would be like now if Mr Shellenberger had been elected Governor

[@Think-dont-believe]

He wld nvr woke up. His journey opened his eyes.,

[@dragonhold4]

@MrsRanchoFiesta Imagine if the man Newsom was running scared of, Larry Elder were elected.

[@bluebird6300]

Or Elder… California is doomed

[@michellebaeza4618]

I voted for him and was so disappointed by the outcome. Californians are completely clueless to what is going on here. God help us all.

[@MrsRanchoFiesta]

​@@Think-dont-believe Only because I think CA would go for a "Shellenberger independent/Dem" before they'd ever go for "Republican Larry Elder"

[@chandlerluce9392]

Helen Joyce said something along the lines of: its not going to stop, because that would require the parents of trans children to admit they were wrong AND permitted and celebrated crimes-against-humanity levels of abuse on their own kids.

[@cinders302]

I think it will them around, but not before enough of those who have transitioned are faced with life-threatening side effects and / or chronic pain and/or coming to the realization that they can't have a normal sex life, which includes the potential for reproduction. In the meantime, we're stuck with a bunch of psychopaths and sociopaths.

[@errin-mp1zy]

Or maybe they will just have to live with the consequences, no doubt the mothers of the thalidomide babies had to live with the guilt of listening to a doctor who prescribed them a morning sickness tablets, even though it was not their fault. If these parents thought they were doing the right thing to save their child from suicide and listened to the doctors maybe they can come to see that it was wrong.

[@tonyaa8738]

Maybe the parents won’t ever have the courage to admit they were wrong but it’s up to society to speak up and fight to save future children

[@grannyannie2948]

I see the same with the parents who vaxed their kids.

[@grannyannie2948]

​@@errin-mp1zyWell said

[@DJC3PO]

Most important discussion of our time. Period.

[@emilymunton9978]

I see this reflected in the UK farming legislation, for example the destruction of cows that show a potential for TB in favour of badgers and biodiversity. A sacrifice, an authority claiming arrogant superior knowledge, applying power, sacrificing and controlling farmers. It's awful

[@grannyannie2948]

All sacred cows of the Malthusian Death Cult, sacrificing humans to weather gods.

[@gloriaharbin1131]

Thanks for bringing Shellenberger on with this info, I knew it was just a matter of time. So sad for all the young people and families who have been through this nightmare.😢

[@DMU386]

Mostly the families fault. When i say family i mean the parents. Personally i think they should be arrested and charged with child abuse

[@ddz1375]

​@@DMU386 Abuse or neglect depending on whether it is the parents narcissistic tendencies or weak parents giving into a child's whim and threats.

[@Madonnalitta1]

​@@DMU386agreed. I know my children won't fall prey to this because we spend all of our quality time together. My children do not have devices bringing them up. They don't have net access, they have bookcases.

[@wendyparsons2980]

@@ddz1375whims of children don’t amount to much, but when combined with governmental overreach and endless propaganda, that’s where trouble truly begins.

[@erikavarga7060]

Every person on this planet should watch this episode, powerful! Jordan and Michael PLEASE lead the way to common sense. Shame on the medical community 1st and foremost for going along with evil again and again. Parents, it's our obligation to protect our children, wake up and do the right thing!

[@knowledgetracker]

Not just shame on the medical community, but shame on the mental health community, which includes psychiatrists (medical doctors), but also includes psychologists and licensed therapists, which are not medical doctors. And shame on the government, the media and anyone supporting purposeful mutilation and disfigurement.

[@vickiwilson2185]

You both are so right about everything you have said. It's a crazy world and I get terrified for the children coming up. Bless you 💕

[@natasharostova5186]

I speak for everyone when I say, Gentlemen, you're brilliant. Thank you.

[@alexfox4647]

“As the family goes, so goes the nation and so goes the whole world in which we live.” ― John Paul II

[@anthonyblacker8471]

9 hours gentleman and this video is still live on YT, I realize this was a DW+ video, but I'm SO happy you released this Dr. Peterson. It's STILL live.. and 105,113 views so far, Dr. Wonderful conversation. Wonderful.

[@callunaherissonne662]

This won't be taken down. The tide is beginning to turn.

[@user-we2qv1cx6x]

I am still amazed at how many people are complicit and behind this stuff. It’s not only very dark, but it’s immense child abuse. Between this and our educational system our children do not stand a chance. It’s quite baffling. I am a classicist (one who studies the past) I read a lot. When I look around I cannot help but feel that we have gone too far. I don’t see how we can turn this around. If this many people can be persuaded…over such irrationality, I don’t know how to proceed. These kids are not fully developed yet. One healthy has an imagination. We, as adults, are supposed to guide and protect them. Within reason. Not subject them to this abuse and surgeries. Pushing them into actions that they cannot take back. In some cases, ruining their chances of having children. What kind of person would want to do this to a child?

[@mc1993]

A must read is a November 19, 2022 REDUXX article by Genevieve Gluck who really brought light to the deviant side of this.

[@smelltheglove2038]

The same people doing this in the schools to kids today were the same people pushing Adderall on my generation in the early 90s. The parents who are pushing this on their 4 year olds were the same people who would have done other strange things to their children in years past. Luckily my parents learned quick what Adderall was after my father took one one day and immediately realized it was speed, haha. I was off it that day. At least with Adderall it’s not necessarily permanent damage.

[@daisyviluck7932]

A monster would do this. Also, I don’t know how our society will be able to function with so many mentally ill people in it

[@jybrokenhearted]

These subjects were amongst the books burned in you know where.

[@daisyviluck7932]

@@mc1993the “deviant” side? That implies there is an equal and opposite “good” side

[@kathleenwalters1299]

It's about time you guys got this figured out now hopefully the real men in this world can return to protecting the family again. In a way we owe it to every child because they can not protect themselves from this.Thank you! I really enjoyed and appreciated every word of this one. Great session!

[@stephengould2232]

This is a spiritual war between, "Do what thou wilt!" and, "Thy will be done!"

[@jlltan]

These people should be brought to account.

[@tbong9293]

Agree!

[@lesasmith4692]

They should be put in jail for life!

[@gabisymons4378]

My traumatized grandchild is a victim of this. There was no real questioning, therapy or counselling just agreement by the medical profession. The government did not contest the provision of a new birth certificate either. We are in Australia 😢

[@caronsteinert5594]

Praying for you and your family 🙏🙏🙏

[@evelynvanzale4757]

Where were your grandchild's parents!

[@paulastearns3074]

😢😢😢. 🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏

[@susiejoyk1287]

@@evelynvanzale4757bureaucracy has a way of demonising parents in Australia who speak out against the narrative and before you know it you have lost your child!!!

[@justinfinch2458]

Its a worldwide depopulation agenda

[@Lillestoel]

JBPs podcasts are bangers. Everyone needs to hear this.

[@LilaSilk]

Thank you gentlemen for this important conversation. All the best Mr Shellenberger.

[@mr.nobody2244]

Keep shining a light on this crime against humanity.

[@cindylee4930]

Wow. America needs to get online with England on this issue and stop the madness immediately.

[@DrDeuteron]

Have you seen our top doc?

[@jghk5866]

I’m really surprised England stopped. They’re just as crazy as the US.

[@Geordie-rr2gq]

We've slowed it down slightly, but we haven't stopped it. Labour are going to get in at the next election and they have committed to legislation that would criminalise doctors NOT providing gender affirming care. It's under the umbrella of banning conversion therapy. Triggernometry did a video about it recently. And they're still running trials for puberty blockers, the ban isn't permanent. It's worse in Scotland where their legislation is forging the way for kids to be removed from parents if the parents don't affirm their identity, same as California. This is dystopian in the truest, most present sense - we're living the nightmare.

[@ktwashere5637]

Wales is about to vote in self-ID which will allow any man who fancies it to declare himself a woman and be legally treated as one immediately. The UK isn't much better.

[@grannyannie2948]

Meanwhile in Australia they are passing laws giving a ten year jail sentence to parents, psychologists and doctors who fail to affirm and transition. 😢

[@justwaves2352]

I graduated from high school in 2019. I got to watch all of this play out in the school system starting back when it was a niche thing on tumblr.

[@JanWoods-vz6ls]

God Bless you both. Seriously, thank you so much.

[@nicole-zq8du]

I see a big problem in Teens "educating" each other on how to get hormones, where to order illegally online (once it'll be not as easy to get a description anymore) etc.. It's so important to spotlight this huge scandal, everyone needs to know about it.

[@RosieJ7223]

We cannot let our teens have free rein online or with friends. I think there is a way for parents to supervise without being domineering. We don’t have to control every step they take, but we do have to be PRESENT with them. Don’t panic, but be sober-minded and steadfast. Love them with a tender heart, let them talk your ear off, and make sure the other adults who influence them have good intentions. Bad things can still befall them, of course, we can’t live in a bubble. But we you must not lose hope! Be encouraged and take heart!

[@Sheisthedevilyouknowwho-ft9we]

I agree with both of you. On a macro level, I like the observations that b Maher makes sometimes, did recently, about how the last few decades the parents let the kids start running everything in the household, they are the boss now. Why are parents letting their kids walk all over them and get whatever they want. I was the last of 6 born in '74, strict father. Then I saw my sister born in '67 have kids in '89 & '91, and everything was about the kids getting everything they wanted and bossing mom around, it was ridiculous

[@lesasmith4692]

Eli Erlick will gladly send your kids hormones…

[@rawgasmiclove]

From this woman, mother & grandmother. I thoroughly enjoyed & deeply appreciate this open, intelligent & honest dialogue between you two strong and principled men 🙏🏼May God continue to protect & guide you on your mission...

[@TheFireGlory07]

“Appalling” is the right word for this and also JP’s favorite word. Great talk btw! My wife is a child psychiatrist and I’m sharing this with her.

[@michellemiramontes8631]

Such a profoundly important discussion.

[@sherylvalentiner6115]

Thank God for men like Michael Shellenberger and Dr. Peterson who are not afraid. I’d like to say it’s unbelievable, but sadly, I’m not surprised. What’s wrong with doctors today? I avoid them like the plaque. Thank you both. 🇺🇸

[@thelamington8195]

What a fantastic conversation! Thank you for letting us be a ‘fly in the wall’. Cheers from Australia 🇦🇺

[@amaryllisequistra]

Are you aware of what Sall Grover is going through in the Australian courts in regards the transgender movement? Might be interesting to check it out given that the Aust media will not report on this precedent setting case (or not, as you wish ☺️)

[@CarolinaGirl6919]

This is the best, most interesting discussion I have heard in I don't know how long. As a matter of fact, the second best I heard recently was also with Jordan in the interview as well. It's just amazing amazing minds here talking. Glad they addressed the idea that we really just cannot actually fix this world without an idea of a divine being or a divine absolute moral compass, that we need God or some idea of God was the answer! (That's due to, as Jordan said, a scientific analysis) Amazing.

[@grannyannie2948]

Also from Oz, Cheers, I was thinking about a beer soon.

[@LemonieLovegood]

Eliza Mondegreen actually went "undercover" to a WPATH conference and exposed them a while ago. She had some crazy stories as well

[@robertmarshall2502]

I've listened to some of the things said by Wpath members in conferences and they say absolutely horrific things and get applauded. For me the talks around non-verbal autistic children and adults who have "multiple personalities" with different gender identities/sexes. In both cases they want transition for these vulnerable ppl. There is no depth to which they won't stoop

[@TheEkcota]

How does this video only have 500k views? it should have 150 million views in America alone.

[@ashleyc506]

I wrote my MPP (Chris Glover NDP) about the WPATH leak. The reply from a staffer was very vague and contained objectively false reasoning to support their arguments. After I asked him to clarify his stance, he refused to speak further after he presumed my questions were in “bad faith” and refused to connect me with his superior. I’m looking into whether this is something to take to the integrity commissioner.

[@victorygarden556]

Call again from a friends cell phone and lie about why you want to talk to him, then ask the real questions after working your way around that clown secretary.

[@AndreComtois]

You should report it.

[@1stdebunker]

Absolutely report it. Immediately

[@YooperJoy11]

Report stat

[@erikavarga7060]

Good for you. Go as far as you can, don't give up.

[@TriStarIII]

One of the most important conversations of the year, with the amount of passion this utter tragedy deserves

[@janetajanemcneil1531]

God bless you both! Thank you for your beautiful courage & authenticity - you are a great example for us all to walk in full authenticity & pride in doing "what is right," so we can overturn this terrible totalitarian edge that is running our society!

[@jamesharrison3134]

This is one of the most reassuring conversations I’ve ever heard.