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[@bisaacs5841]

How about the SC22 key ?

[@DeviantOllam]

to my knowledge, there is no SC22 key (although if Kaba followed convention it might be a 6-pin J blank) the known Schlage keys and key blanks are... L blank = SC19, SC20 H blank = SC15, SC21 J blank = SC24 C blank = SC1, SC4 E blank = SC8, SC9 F blank = SC7, SC10 ... with 5-pin listed first, then 6-pin listed second

[@ImGumbyDangit]

Intrigued. Never thought about the missing letters. I have worked with the 'S', 'ST', 'T', 'X' but have never given a thought to 'A', 'B', 'D'.

[@Nash-64SdV]

SC22 is, if I recall, one of the two Schlage wafer lock keys… 1307W specifically. The other was, I think, 1307A… SC6?

[@thecloneguyz]

I like ASSA-ABLOY

[@DEATH_TO_TYRANTS]

It's a wafer lock very similar to the A keyway.

[@twestgard2]

I’m glad the P keyway is having a good time, but I’m going to insist on some barrier protection before I stick my Lishi in there.

[@DeviantOllam]

Hey, no shaming locks based on their history of key partners. 😉👍

[@twestgard2]

@@DeviantOllam I mean, they named it the P keyway! Jokes gonna happen with that.

[@Arachnoid_of_the_underverse]

Hey some keys are like 70s receptive other keys man, its all cool.

[@ImGumbyDangit]

That's what she said.

[@llckarther87ll]

@@twestgard2 The prostitute keyway lol

[@DarthNinjaCode]

this Schlage week is turning out very interesting

[@lockmanmd8738]

Thanks again for more awesome content! In addition to Maison keying, composite keyway cylinders were often also used for multiplex masterkey systems where certain facilities needed areas to be accessed by keys from various buildings. Say you had a university with various buildings: the pharmaceutical building, the medical research building, and the immunology research building, each with systems that have their own keyway. For simplicity's sake, we will say that they use C, E, and F keyways respectively. Let's say professors must have access to one room: the printing room that may be found in one of either three buildings, and each building has common areas that are all keyed alike to one key. The composite keyway is a perfect solution for something like this, because instead of issuing yet another key that must be accounted for to every professor in each faculty, they can use their own respective common area key to access the printing room without the need of introducing more shearlines that could result in unintentional cross keying or other matematical problems. Furthermore, the use a multiplex systems allows for greater masterkeying flexibility, since the same space and depths can be used across all three buildings as each would have their own keyway. A Grand Master or Great Grand Master could then be implemented if needed to expand. Also beneficial, is the fact that if one building has a security breach where a certain room must be rekeyed, it is much easier to account for since instead of worrying about possible cross-keying across all three buildings, you can just look at the building's system in which the lock is installed, ensure that no cross-keying occurs, and proceed smoothly. As such, the multiplex system makes for increased flexibility.

[@DavidSmithakaTubaDave]

I would be interested in seeing a L bump key in a P keyway. Intriguing series. Love that content.

[@DeviantOllam]

I could do that as a short later 👍

[@KylejvT]

The newest hit from Lionel Lishie: "Schlage you, Schlage me it for always That's the way it should be Schlage you, Schlage me Schlage it together Naturally"

[@DeviantOllam]

😂

[@sixstringedthing]

Out of fucking nowhere, but bravo.

[@ryanwilson_canada]

Loving this series so far. Thank you. I have one of those p cylinders that I've never been able to identify. So i learned something. Hope everyone staying safe and taking care.

[@vincentdonohue98]

That backdrop always gave me kinky vibes. Great vid as always, loving the series.

[@DeviantOllam]

i'm glad it is doing its job =)

[@markbulla1851]

I'm really enjoying the Schlage keyway videos. Cheers!

[@maxmyzer9172]

KeySmart!! Great to keep people from 3d-printing (or laser cutting or CNCs) your keys from a photo!

[@DeviantOllam]

this is true, too!

[@AalbertTorsius]

Schlage week beats Shark week hands down.

[@DeviantOllam]

🔑🦈😁👍

[@The_Cre8r]

Thanks for taking the time to do a clarification vid on Schlage keyways!

[@DeviantOllam]

you're most welcome! :-)

[@DeviantOllam]

Glad it was helpful! 👍

[@adammorris8112]

So today we have a really loose fit, and tomorrow we get the D? I'm glad they called it Maison keying rather than Slave then.

[@DeviantOllam]

Hahaha

[@krazyx86]

Awesome series Deviant! Thanks for all your work, as always!

[@DeviantOllam]

Glad you like them so far!

[@philhart9800]

Todays show was very enlightening, I suspect tomorrow will be more so, I thought I was pretty well informed on Schlage products, WRONG! Thanks for good vids

[@synfulkyn]

This is very interesting series. P-way on the B-day! Hahahha

[@ColinRichardson]

The amount of times I have 'attempted' to purchase a keysmart, but to have it sold out.. it would be funny to win one.. *edit* Ignore me, I was thinking Covert Companion Fully Loaded

[@TheLockLizard]

As a locksmith, we still use them occasionally, but we always called them C-to-K cylinders (Schalge C keyway all the way up to L essentially). Another interesting fact with these, we had some apartment buildings that had very old Hollymade HO-1 keys which is now pretty much extinct, however these Schlage C-to-K cylinders would accept the HO-1 key as well, allowing us to continue servicing the entry doors to the apartment buildings without having to reissue 200+ keys.

[@yusufsheikh1]

Hi there, can you please make a video on how to pick Euro Cylinder locks using a Lishi Tool? I dont know which tool to purchase for Euro Cylinder locks. Thank you very much :).

[@jameswheeler945]

Hey deviant do you know anything about a lishi pick for the new m17 keyways that American locks are using now?

[@donesixfour]

LSDA makes this keyway, I have a few of their padlocks with this keyway

[@aranderson81YT]

Would a 3D printed sleeve work well to fit the sc20 in this scenario?

[@M.J.C.W.]

strong Twin Peaks vibes

[@DeviantOllam]

we do live right near the Great Northern Hotel, in fact =)

[@RookieLock]

Shit, I got the conformation email, clicked it, and it was timed out, so I re-entered.. hope that doesnt take me out of the list :S

[@alexsad24]

A new Dev video every day for a week...Schlage week is the best week ever!

[@bisaacs5841]

it is the old style wafer lock used as a entry lockset

[@ChuckvdL]

As to missing letters, I would hope they intentionally left out I and O, due to easy confusion with 1 and 0. And of course you leave out Q because only British Intelligence uses Q keyways. the rest I wait to hear about tomorrow.

[@DeviantOllam]

yes, i'm told that is why there is no "i" key profile. but Thursday's video will be super fun about some of the others.

[@GeFlixes]

As far as I know, Maison-keying (or its equivalent with the lock companies popular here) is in every single multi-tenant apartment here in Germany. Even relatively new ones. They all have just one key per tenant that accesses front and tenant door. You don't see electronic locks in housing, only in businesses/hotels, etc.

[@DeviantOllam]

i am interested in how they do it over there with respect to the pins and such. i'll have to ask some folk =)

[@bbuggediffy]

Oooh! Do a TrioVing week!

[@jerrodfelice7891]

I'm loving the Schlage week! Learning a ton. I hope you continue with this type of material Dev!

[@DeviantOllam]

I am so excited to hear what folk think about tomorrow's video 😁

[@jerrodfelice7891]

@@DeviantOllam Well my girlfriend hates this stuff but last night she said "I actually like him" so you are doing something right.. Can't wait to see it!

[@johnyouel3124]

very nice need one

[@TTRTIM]

Would a Maison key system work with an abloy protec series?

[@DeviantOllam]

That's a fascinating question and I will have to ask the people at Security Snobs. In theory, you would probably need to have multiple gates cut into certain discs and then maybe even also have many of the discs in the front door lock be blank non-operating discs.

[@1679haha]

good content

[@therocketman321]

Deev, the closest thing we probably have to this "p" keyway is the "SCK" keyway. I believe C through K will fit in this wide open keyway.

[@tc2290]

Really enjoying this series DO!

[@DeviantOllam]

thank you!

[@curtolocknkey]

I knew it couldn’t be this SIMPLE…🔐

[@michaelcouey1383]

you've got a lot of catching up to do. I have 4 fingers of my favorite beverage when I start these videos... so, on day 3... you know where I'm at. I hope to connect with you someday out on the road. We have some libation notes to compare

[@cland2225]

Or did he say Schlage "leek" because the missing keyways are shaped like onions and never took off.. Great video and the availibility of electronic entry locks would kill of the composite keyway market. The actual security of the electronic locks should be better than mezon keying, but doesn't play into it beyond the appearance of security and the ease and cost of adding or deleting new users. Having a minion go and add a new pin is cheaper that cutting and tracking keys. Or rekeying. Nice video, looking forward to the onion angle...

[@jeffandthings77]

Loving all the Schlage knowledge being dropped this week...things I never even knew I didn't know!

[@andrewfarenci5085]

Lishi keys aren't in my budget, so I'll just have to become a better lock picker.

[@twestgard2]

You and I have the same budget, but I’m having a lot of trouble getting the key cuts right using a wiper insert and a bent paperclip!

[@sixstringedthing]

Thanks for the confirmation. I looked at these Lishi tools... first thought: wow, that's awesome. Next thought: wow, I bet those are going to be expensive... :(

[@twestgard2]

@@sixstringedthing tbh, I think they’re a specialized tool that gets overused. Their purpose is to calculate the cut numbers. If you don’t need to do that, it’s kinda overkill.

[@Chloe-ju7jp]

@@twestgard2 definitely. People like LPL advertising them to hobbyists is the source of that problem

[@twestgard2]

@@Chloe-ju7jp if only the phenomenon of dudebros having the buy the biggest, newest, most expensive were limited to lockpicks. 😬

[@seanrossander1275]

How much more fragile is the SC20 Lishi than an SC4? How many uses would it take before needing a replacement?

[@DeviantOllam]

the picking arm seems to be the same, and that's the most important part. The picking arm on both my SC20 and my SC4 right here at my desk are 0.0285mm thick metal stock ... it would appear the factory is using the same exact material (probably the same exact part, honestly)

[@seanrossander1275]

@@DeviantOllam Gotcha, do you think that the SC20 would be overall significantly more prone to damage due to the gap in the Key Profile, or just in the hands of an inexperienced user?

[@Minionz]

What a crazy lock. It has to have the worst tolerances in order to fit that wide array of keys.

[@glennj6465]

Have I lost day 2,? 🤔😳

[@DeviantOllam]

I mean, day two is on my channel. I'm looking at it right now. :-) can you not find it?

[@AkiSan0]

Cant wait for Lishi to make an SCP tool now...

[@DebakulumToughguts]

👍 für den Algorithmus

[@DeviantOllam]

danke für Ihre unterstützung!

[@derekbroestler7687]

In 16 years as a locksmith, who even works on sites with large Schlage systems, I've never even SEEN a P keyway in the wild... There is one thing that's a bit confusing, there does appear to be a P blank, which I've also never seen, Schlage part number 35-101-P, but all I can find on it is that it's restricted. Do you know if it's a TRUE classic P that will fit perfectly into the P keyway, or just a restricted blank that uses the same terminology? I mean it doesn't make much sense to me to make a P key to ONLY fit the P keyway, when you can literally use ANY other "classic" line key.... BUT well all know manufacturers don't always do things that make sense, and sometimes, and this is just a theory, they do things JUST to mess with us...

[@DeviantOllam]

You have me so curious and I will definitely ask this to some of the people at Ingersoll Rand

[@iggymac3473]

Thanks my friend really enjoying the Schlage videos

[@DeviantOllam]

Right on! 👍 More to come!

[@techno_tuna]

I'm only 21 and can confirm I've not once ever heard of a Maison keyed lock, even low-end security for shared storage or washer/dryer space in apartments has either been handled by separate keys, an electronic keypad, or nothing at all. I can't imagine these systems are seeing much use in any modern installations.

[@DeviantOllam]

interesting... do you see that mostly in the USA or elsewhere?

[@raincheck5892]

I’ve got an old Schlage padlock with a supposedly removable core, but when I loosen the screw the core only comes out part way, it’s clearly Loose but will not come out, does anyone know how to remove the core? I saw a video from Bosnian Bill with the same Schlage padlock, he had an open but he couldn’t remove the core either

[@DeviantOllam]

if the screw is down in one of the holes where the shackle inserts (where the toe of the shackle goes in, that is) then said screw should be totally removable, not just "loose" i think

[@raincheck5892]

@@DeviantOllam The screw is completely out but it still won’t come out, Bosnian Bill had the same problem with the exact same padlock… by the way love your channel

[@thinkinyblinko6666]

@@raincheck5892 have you tried smacking it with a hammer? It's amazing how many things this fixes.

[@raincheck5892]

@@thinkinyblinko6666 Yes I will try to smacking it with a small hammer, but I will try it again from different angles to see if that works, I know that Bosnian bill couldn’t get the car out either and saw online that some people were having the same problem with this same padlock

[@georgeblair7129]

you going to talk about the primus and everest/29 keyways?

[@DeviantOllam]

wow, lots of folk are asking me about this! that's a bit much for KZbin but we do have a Schlage master class at Red Team Alliance so maybe we will tease a video with some topics and explanations there =)

[@DeviantOllam]

that's a bit weighty for KZbin, at least on my channel, but Red Team Alliance has a whole class on this so maybe we'll get some small explainer videos on the RTA youtube channel :-)

[@RuneInternational]

good to see Schlage has profile trees just like any other big lock company. I would take it more serious, if they had made all profiles restricted. When you make keys with same code but different profiles, it should not be possible just to copy it to a L blank

[@DeviantOllam]

that's part of why they have the Primus and Everest systems, etc

[@DeviantOllam]

their more advanced line of keys and locks have the restricted profiles. these are the first tier Schlage Classic obverse keyways

[@lhzav]

Could you please share what you know about the R blank/keyway? Maybe one video with all the odd blanks that aren’t in the C group

[@DeviantOllam]

that is, if i'm not mistaken, part of their new Everest 29 system. Which has some backwards compatibility with their legacy Everest system.

[@Nash-64SdV]

I believe the Everest 29 ‘R’ is backwards compatible with Everest ‘B’ series, which is their line of [Best compatible… [and restricted?]] SFIC cores. Everest 29 ‘S’ is backwards compatible with legacy Everest ‘C’ and Everest 29 ‘T’ is compatible with legacy Everest ‘D’, which are, as I understand, sold/restricted to specific locksmith(s)… I think that’s how Everest 29 and the legacy Everest system align anyway…

[@curley6531]

thanks for all of your knowledge and videos! very cool. quick question? do you have to sign every time for give aways?🤔

[@vincentdonohue98]

I believe he has stated in the past that you only sign up once, and are automatically entered into all giveaways.

[@DeviantOllam]

correct. once you're signed up, you're signed up forever. and i email folk to confirm that their address hasn't changed.

[@DeviantOllam]

no need to... once you're signed up, you're signed up

[@rickstreifel4691]

I have lots of buildings that use all of the Schlage keyways. D keyway seems to be reserved for the RCMP in Canada. I have an airport client that uses S keyway. S is a reverse of the F blank. Most new restricted facilities use a Schlage Quad keyway. It has 4 letters for the keyway designation. Ilco doesn't make any of these.