The Biggest Pool Lie Everyone Believes

[@Sharivari]

A rolling ball can easily follow a full diamond or more without needing to transfer follow. This increases accuracy and makes the eight ball deviate from the tangent line sooner, giving you a better chance to make the shot, even if it's slightly off. The next time someone teaches this shot the wrong way, show them how it's done properly 🎱

[@jrw0707]

Yes, this is all about getting the 8 ball rolling. Some people don’t realize that the object ball slides for a while before roll develops. So the closer the object balls are to each other the more backspin on the cue ball is required to initiate the roll of the 8 ball. Great video!

[@ericjones745]

Move the 9 ball a foot or more away from the pocket and the 8 won't have enough momentum to follow in behind it without using draw. You setup a shot in a specific way to prove a point that doesn't exist. Lost a lot of respect for you.

[@ericjones745]

You made a moot point. A waste of 2 minutes.

[@Jody-royAnnan]

I was a road player for more than 30 years .The reason the 8 follows is you are hitting the shot soft , therefor the 8 ball picks up forward roll . if you hit the shot with pace it will not follow , although it does have a plausibility if you hit it with draw and perfectly . Hiitting the shot soft is the whole key to making it , the way you are demonstrating .

[@magicalrobster]

Definitely! the softer shot allows the cloth to impart a little top spin onto the black

[@shotmakerjack]

True , on the first shot, if you hit it in exactly the center of the OB ball, it will work

[@FamousAnonymous888]

Just use draw. The first shot didn’t go in because 8 was hitting 9 not full. He did that on purpose to try to prove his point 😂😂😂

[@Sharivari]

@@FamousAnonymous888 Yes, that's what it's about. For draw you need to hit harder, which creates inaccuracy. And it lets the ball you want to make stay longer on the tangent line, which lowers the percentages aswell. But continue to use draw, your opponent will thank you.

[@whitigir]

Exactly! In fact! Slight draw (not full or powerful) is easier to control than center stun ball where even a slight mistake could impart spins on 8 which get amplified after contacting 9

[@DeanWhipper]

Yeah exactly. Realistically the only time this shot is going to come up is when you've got ball in hand and can line it up perfectly anyway, so aim is pretty much out of the picture.

[@harry2.01]

​@@SharivariWhy deliberately not play it straight? I'm confused.

[@xDuWuTang]

But.. you don’t need to hit harder.. You want good action, not power.. Right?

[@MoTab78]

It (using draw on cue ball) actually works when 8 ball is close or frozen to the other ball, since it does not have the distance and time to start rolling to follow that ball. Also if you try to use follow on cue ball in this situation to push the 8 ball, it is very risky because of the scratch possibility.

[@craigsherwood3824]

Always learning, thank you 🎱

[@The3rdBandit]

I like this you should do another video debunking other pool myths

[@tomburns890]

It also depends on conditions and equipment. Clean balls and a fast table helps a lot too. Cheers

[@2colossery]

I mean if you're confident with your draw shot, then it's not a problem. But in the second scenario, with the stripe so far out, a cross corner bank or a safety is probably better.

[@darktherapy]

When you hit an object ball, it doesn’t instantly start rolling. For a fraction of a second the object ball will slide along the cloth - it doesn’t have any spin at that point. Then shortly after the ball grips the cloth and starts to roll. It’s this that then makes the object ball roll forward after hitting the second ball. If an object ball hits another ball at the point where it’s sliding along the cloth it won’t have any spin to follow it into the pocket. It’s all about the pace you hit the first ball. Follow and draw don’t mean anything if the ball is just sliding along the cloth for that short time.

[@ohsoleohmio]

much easier with backspin however as a 9 baller he doesnt have the ability to produce lots of backspin with slow speed … these are things you learn at snooker and uk 8 ball with very sharp fast flick of wrist no forearm needed

[@shaunpage4498]

You may be correct about pool players in general but this guy is pretty good. He’s like an almost pro so he definitely can create lots of spin with a slow shot. He’s not trying to demonstrate what he can make or not he’s trying to teach amateurs.

[@ohsoleohmio]

@@shaunpage4498 im absolutely sure he cant create nearly as much spin at slow drag speed and neither can virtually any 9 ball players except maybe jason shaw and a few snooker pros on circuit who arnt even pro at 9 ball yet its entirely different type of action required and is much more apparent with smaller balls, the short jabby stroke required is all wrist and development of its use was inherent for this exact shot in UK 8 ball 25 years ago in 2 shot carry rules with a white smaller than the object balls where spin transfer was required and momentum would hardly ever be enough for ball to follow through, your right its beginner knowledge hes keeping it basic and is correct you dont need backspin and very rare with bigger balls you need much but there are still shots he cant play and very few can or even try to implement through lack pf experience and game knowledge. It is mainly that this type of action is not needed in 9 ball like he explains i suppose.

[@meltoreudes2335]

Learned someting, again. Thanks you

[@kb3170]

Draw works great on frozen combo's full in the face

[@ronmenninga5346]

I'm thinking if the 8 ball and blocker are closer together and the cue ball is also close it is best to use draw, wouldn't want the cue ball to follow in behind the 8 ball.

[@GrillMatic_SmokinBBQ]

Efren would go 4 rails before sinking the 8 in the opposite corner pocket 😎

[@fastone371]

A 4 rail shot puts the 8 ball in the pocket by the 9, to sink in opposite corner you need to go 2 or 6 rails

[@paulctx]

I wouldn't even try that far shot but I will have to try it if the 8 is like an inch from the 9 and the 9 is an inch from the pocket. I should draw, right? I see some people FOLLOW and hit the 8 twice.

[@dbpool]

I think the key with the shot here shown, is that when hitting without draw, the 8 ball develops it's own "roll" sooner with less inaccuracy imparted by a draw shot and it follows on a truer line... hitting the 8 with draw, even if perfectly hit, gets the 8 to initially "skid" forward, before it starts to "rolll" on it's own... For a close shot, ie 9 an inch from pocket, and 8 an inch from 9, if you put draw on cue ball the 8 goes forward in a skid, and before it can develop its own roll it would "stun" the 9 and the 8 would stop cold - have to experiment. In this case, you might have to put a little top on cue ball, so it would hit the 8 again, to knock it in.

[@MeganOHowe]

Doesn't look like you hit it straight on and I didn't see the cue follow through. Angles can be deceptive I made a similar shot not on the 8 recently.

[@xDuWuTang]

I don’t believe anyone has a problem with the video. Just the title 😂

[@timothyeverson1795]

click bait amirite

[@TheJestinator]

That first shot was hit off centre, no wonder the 8 went to the side

[@nobodyspecial6436]

I came here to say exactly that!!!!..

[@gambloduck6633]

If you don't put pace on the shot, you can get away with a slight off center contact from the back combo ball ( since 2 balls fit in 90% of pockets ) the key is to minimize how long the rear combo ball " bounces" down the tangent line, off the front ball, before regaining forward roll momentum.

[@ComputerKevAZ]

I’d like to see this again with the heavy bar box cue ball. Does that make a difference?

[@Sharivari]

It's easier with a heavier cue ball.

[@ZachMyers-nq6zc]

whats the problem with just using soft draw stroke?

[@Sharivari]

@@ZachMyers-nq6zc Soft draw will be useless, because the draw will get lost and end in a normal rolling ball. So no need to do that.

[@randyboy13]

Hello @Sharivari, first of all congratulations for your tournament ! I just have a question not even related to the video, sorry but it came to me while watching it 😂 You are using a Kamui Athlete tip, I want to give it a try, and I just wanted to know if it is a soft, medium or hard that you have. I also use an SMO shaft so your opinion is the best feedback I could wish for. Thanks a lot, best regards !

[@Sharivari]

No problem. I prefer the soft one for the KAMUI Athlete. When using the regular brown, I like medium.

[@randyboy13]

@@Sharivari thanks so much for your feedback, have a great weekend 😁

[@stephenmoore5390]

Nice!

[@olavodias]

I've heard that same lie before. Another lie is: use this shot in a tournament. haha too risky... especially in a game of 8 ball.

[@Bl1ndS1t3]

OK I like how you say it's a lie but it's not a lie it works for when they are closer and we all know you've been watching dr Dave

[@james1795]

Lie

[@Mozartkugel]

What weird 8-Ball rules are used here?! Wouldn’t that be a foul resulting in you losing? Doesn’t the 8 have to go in clean?! 🤨

[@Sharivari]

@@Mozartkugel That's actually the official 8-Ball rules.

[@Mozartkugel]

@Sharivari I just checked the official rules and you are correct: It’s not a foul to pot balls of your opponent while correctly getting the 8 into the correct pocket. Well.. I don’t like it. I’ll stick to our slightly modified house rules. 😅 Winning that way would make it feel cheap to me.

[@fastone371]

@Mozartkugel The 8 ball going "clean" is just made up bar room crap, there are no official rules where you have to call balls "clean' or not. Official 8 ball rules from most sanctioning bodies only require you to call which ball you are going to pocket and which pocket it will go in, no other details required.

[@gam3rman85]

nice video 🎱

[@Sharivari]

@@gam3rman85 🎱👊

[@andrewdeak3793]

But isn't that illegal if you make your opponent's ball before the eight ball?

[@Sharivari]

Only if you're playing specific league rules that vary all over the world. If you're playing the official 8-Ball rules, it's legal.

[@andrewdeak3793]

@@Sharivari Yes, I've been to places when playing eight ball, if you make a ball and your opponent's ball on the same shot you lose your turn, thus the same with the eight ball you lose the game.

[@benbrown2119]

​@@SharivariSo demonstrate how to do the kick shot and pott the ball in the far corner pocket so everyone has a winning option.

[@DaveWiebelhaus]

Setup the 9 ball 6 inches from the pocket. good luck

[@tylerkrug7719]

Dont you have to hit your object ball first?

[@SuperWarbringer666]

But if you hit the 8 first isn't it still a scratch? At least it would be in my league.

[@davidparker8475]

Worth 2 minutes for sure!.

[@thomaspate9131]

8 ball has to go clean, sorry 9 ballers

[@realchicagophill]

This title is the biggest pool lie?

[@Otingocni]

I think the biggest lie in pool is that talent does not play a role in improvement.

[@pshoey]

🎱

[@Sharivari]

@@pshoey 🎱👊

[@_Ramen-Vac_]

Ugh... once again, why'd leagues ruin 8-ball? In good old rules the 8 must go clean. 9-ballers' hate on 8-ball is what brought you the ball-in-hand -anywhere... slop counts... and kissy-kiss uncalled is good. Warped reality tells you "dirty shots are unfair" while in fact, situations are unique per each instance. Too convoluted.

[@bobsjess]

Just say you suck at pool.

[@yboc300000lol]

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[@Sharivari]

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