The Biggest Problem With Winter Gear (SOLVED)

[@patrickjones8255]

It also allows you to blend seamlessly into the early 2000s German rave scene

[@Almedius76]

Now's the time on Sprockets when we dance

[@jameshaulenbeek5931]

And American goth clubs

[@gregfix3333]

😂😂😂😂😂

[@Patrick-k9q]

@@Almedius76 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@szwedzia2246]

😂😂😂

[@RyanZuidema]

Gotta say, didnt think id start my morning off seeing you in some hot topic fishnet looking gear. I think you pushed me to give it a try, but im leaving the dark eyeliner at home.

[@arnoldkotlyarevsky383]

Dark eyeliner reduces glare from the snow and increases your perceived threat level to bears. Studded collars and belts also make you a less appealing meal for a bear or mountain lion. Large baggy pants have more storage options while skinny jeans make you more aerodynamic.

[@RyanZuidema]

@@arnoldkotlyarevsky383 Ill believe it when I see Steven make a video to prove it. Having more storage options is always nice.

[@scottyplug]

@@RyanZuidema It is WAY too early for all these visuals lol

[@MyLifeOutdoors]

lol! My son begged me not to post this!

[@mmmbass6068]

This is the level of quality that all threads on KZbin should aspire to.

[@garyhoffman1]

My son served a year in the Norwegian Air Force as a guard for the F-35 squadron. They would do several days training out in the deep woods in -20c temps. They used Brynje wool net base layers. My wife, his mother, used wool net back in the 80’s as a Red Cross volunteer out in -40 temps. It works. It has for ages. Use it.

[@markwalker4485]

Nothing new. I knew this technology back in the 1970s. Problem is getting the kit now.

[@user-ju7dx8mu6d]

I still have my fishnet underwear from when I worked in the bush in the 1970s to 1980s. I remember my Father wearing it in the 1950s and 60s. It was very popular with outdoor workers in Canada until aggressive marketing of fake moisture control fabrics like Gortex, killed it.

[@Brewtuhl]

I've used these for a little bit in the military. It's tough get things to breath under plates while moving through mountains but this has helped a ton.

Yeap, used to be a standard issue in the Finnish army. It’s been a while, maybe they still use it.

[@RC-qf3mp]

Don’t forget the fishnet with matching Zpacks ultralight titanium nipple rings! 😉

[@Zyzzyx42]

Started using Brynje mesh shirts for mt biking a bit over a year ago. Absolutely love 'em. The warmth is there when its cold, but they also stay comfy even when its warmer temps (50-60F). Great for the 'cool' weather, as I describe it acting as temperature moderation. I may be a bit warm on the climbs, even with outer layers venting, but when I stop or get to the top, I don't have the wet, clammy, and clingy base layer chilling me down. Which is even more noticeable when you start going back down right away; close up the outer layers and I may be a bit cool, but not being chilled is wonderful.

[@jbmartin6]

Another MTBer here and I swear by these layers. To me, they aren't subjectively any warmer than other base layers at rest, but I stay so much drier that the warmth gain is fantastic. I wonder if this is a part of the 4-6 times warmer claim by Brynje. I usually ride with a very light summer layer over the mesh.

[@KrizAkoni]

I started using this last year - it’s an amazing layer that I’ve grown to love. It performs excellently under a breathable layer like a windbreaker - don’t choke it off under a rain jacket.

[@jnrfalcon]

Brynje made the PE version really hydrophobic. So even under a raincoat, it should still be warmer as it let the sweat bead up and run off and maintain air pockets around you.

[@donniebel]

@@jnrfalconrespectfully disagree. Rain coat (any of the Goretex or similar) will not move moisture fast enough for a high sweat situation and eventually will get cold. Any mid layers will also wet out, same cold result for those who sweat a lot like myself.

[@donniebel]

My experience also

[@BlazeYourOwnPath]

Having just switched over this week I can say I am impressed. Picked up a very basic polyester long sleeved fishnet top for around $20. Using only that as a base layer, 1/4 zip waffletop, and a Goretex shell I went on a 10 mile hump (20°F) with a 25lb pack to prove them wrong, but it performed flawlessly. Never before have I gone on a hike (with a pack) and have my back feel completely dry. The ability to move moisture and thereby regulating temperature is a trip, literally. 😁🤘😎

[@saltlakeute]

I’ve been using mesh base layers from Rapha and Craft for over 15 years for cycling in hot and cold months and love how much more quickly they dry, allowing the mid layer to better insulate. Rapha makes a merino mesh baselayer that is great. The synthetics work really well too and don’t stink which I think is due to how quickly they dry and less material for bacteria to grow.

[@dimi7055]

Started using this specific one (choose poly instead of the wool one because it will dry MUCH faster and be much tougher) and it outperformed every base layer i have ever used in my life! LOVE IT!

[@chriskoohk]

How is the odour?

[@NordenzurZukunft]

Love that you finally made a video about the mesh base layers. I've only used my Brynje layers once this winter, but I was SO impressed. Just a nice windbreaker and the mesh and I was good going up steep inclines around 20F on average. Didn't overheat, and even if I did, all I had to do was open up my windbreaker and INSTANTLY cool off.

[@sveisko]

I am a Norwegian and have been using Brynje mesh layers for more than 30 years. Nothing beats it. Use it with a thin wool layer over it on colder days.

[@jnrfalcon]

I was in Svalbard this past summer on a hiking trip. And our guide had the exact setup, Brynje mesh with Keb on top. Though it wasn't that cold, about 40F. I had another regular base layer on top of my mesh and I was slightly too warm.

[@paulvaughan3557]

Near the end of Sept and into Oct I hiked from flagstaff Arizona to the Grand Canyon. Spent a few days before going down and after coming up, camping at the south rim. I then hiked back to flagstaff. It was 104f at the bottom of the canyon. When hiking to and from the canyon most miles are exposed to the sun. It was 85F + most of the time during the day. I wore a cheap mesh base layer with a button 30 spf long sleeve hiking shirt overtop. For the most part the hiking shirt was unbuttoned and opened up a little at the front. Any breeze and you could feel the evaporation off your body which had a cooling effect. When I stopped hiking for the day I hung the hiking shirt up to dry and just wore the mesh layer. To go to sleep I put a tshirt overtop of the mesh layer and had a light sleeping bag. I was very happy with how the mesh layer worked both during the day and for night time.

[@genelucky4002]

i had a short sleeve poly fishnet top with solid shoulders to accommodate shoulder straps around 1990 from LL Bean. I found it great for winter hiking by just unbuttoning my dress weight wool shirt to vent. I no longer have the fishnet, but I still often were a button up shirt so I can vent my torso by using the buttons. Glad they are back!

[@truepaulesko]

The super thermo stinks because it's polyester but the Merino wool ones are almost odourless. Id recommend those better

[@artsteadman2230]

@truepaulesco to each their own

[@grantmcmillan9209]

Its polypropylene. At least mine is.

[@Oslohiker]

They have each their use. Wool is for low level activity, like hiking. Polypropylene is for high level, like running and biking. You wash the polypropylene immediately after the activity, then you will have no problems with oder. I have polypropylene shirts that are more than 15 years old and with no oder. The merino you just hang up to dry. I never wash those....

[@Invertatude]

Thanks for putting actual science to work on this question!

[@Sprout-gh3zv]

50 shades of hiking

[@jaybakata5566]

I love all videos MyLifeOutdoors does. Thanks for sharing the information you have, the information you learn, and your love of what you do. I only wish someone, or you, would make a video where the gear did not cost so much but it would last. As someone who is just trying to get into the hobby of backpacking, camping, and hiking I am not going to spend $200+ on a backpack, sleeping pad, sleeping bag, etc. The shirt for this video, it is mostly holes, but costs $70. That is 30% less than the last time I looked when it was $100 but still that seems outrageous for a shirt.

[@VandrefalkTV]

Been using this for the past 19 years, absolutely holds up and does an amazing job. Kudos for all the hard work going into this testing and editing. 👏

[@frstesiste7670]

I've used Brynje (and similar) mesh layers since the seventies. Excellent performance, but it's also a specialized garment. If you know it will be cold enough for layering all the time then it's hard to beat, but if it gets warm enough so you can walk around without an outer layer then non-mesh shirt works better.

[@antuanaun3599]

Hi Steven, Antuan from the classic. It was great to meet you in the Fjallraven classic. Looking forward to your content and wishing you continued success!

[@MyLifeOutdoors]

Hey Antuan! Thanks for watching and dropping a comment!

[@HikerDudeDad]

I just got the Ortovox Merino Thermovent and was stunned that it's half mesh. I was about to return it, but then your video popped up. I may rethink the return.....

[@kevinharding2099]

I like your scientific approach and appreciate the time it must take to do the tests. Fifty years ago (I’m 75) I remember using cotton mesh t shirts when hiking (there was no alternative fabrics available) and it kind of worked, but now I’ll give these new stuff a try.

[@emzix33]

I'm an intermediate crocheter and this look fairly easy to make at home. If anyone happens to have any advice do let me know! I'll update with progress.

[@thew4lker]

This is an interesting take! 👀

[@jr_kulik]

Use merino wool, cotton will soak up all the sweat and synthetic threads don’t have the right structure to be used for outdoor wear.

[@percyfaith11]

@@jr_kulik synthetic is just fine, although it retains odor more than wool.

[@catblue6393]

​@jr_kulik I'd use merino wool as well. I crochet too. I think I'll try making a fishnet shirt.

[@jr_kulik]

@@percyfaith11 Synthetic is great when it is spun into a precise airy structure made for outdoor wear, but synthetic yarn made for crochet will not at all have the required structure to trap air and wick moisture.

[@grahamjordan8278]

This takes me back to my Alberta winters in the 1980's. I would wear a cotton fishnet underlayer (next to skin), then a wool midlayer. The fishnet would wick moisture from the skin, to be held in the wool layer. Putting a downfill parka on top, and I was good to -40.

[@davidcooper8390]

It's awesome you keep finding experiments to try out with your dummy and freezer.

[@chrismoore600]

If they had a PHD for backpacking you sir would have it. Outstanding job.

[@wellseasonedhiker]

I really appreciate the effort you put into these tests. Super useful. Tx!

[@motorcycleMoff]

I recently bought the Marino wool version. So far absolutely loving it. I’m usually a fan of a big jumper/fleece mid layer but enjoying just going mesh base layer, t shirt and windproof outer in the colder weather. Also finding that when I do sweat it’s not transferring onto my other layers the same. Which is another added bonus.

[@mbmurphy777]

I think the laboratory style tests are even more impressive in that they don’t include the effects of water being trapped in a solid base layer, which then requires energy to be evaporated. The overall energy savings may not be four times as much as a solid layer, but it’s definitely more than 20%.

[@BurfieldPhoto1]

Depends on the material, wool generates heat when it absorbs water, so absorbing sweat is actually an intentional part of how wool baselayers keep you warm.

[@mbmurphy777]

@ that’s interesting. However is seems that the heat of vaporization of water is going to be 2 to 3 times higher than the amount of heat generated by the absorption of water into the wool.

[@mbmurphy777]

@@BurfieldPhoto1 plus to get the water out of the wool you have to inject that same amount of energy to reverse the reaction when the water absorbs into the wool.

[@BurfieldPhoto1]

@@mbmurphy777 evaporation causes cooling, not heating. That's literally the point of sweat.

[@mbmurphy777]

@@BurfieldPhoto1 that’s literally the entire point. Remember, you were arguing that wool can be warmer because it releases heat when it absorbs water. Well to reverse that process, it takes heat out of the system, and then to evaporate the water. It takes more heat out of the system, cooling the person. We don’t want that. That’s why I was arguing initially that because the mesh layer doesn’t absorb a lot of water and allows water vapor to escape theoretically through the pit zips, there’s nothing in the garment to cool the person down once they stop moving because there’s nothing to evaporate.

[@Fu4b]

Thank you for including the gram conversions again ❤ 😊

[@shanelyon414]

My Brynje wool mesh base is amazing, I have worn it alone at 0c/32F hiking just to not overheat, really helps manage body temperature and dampness. It is my go to winter base layer and stays smelling good much longer than anything else.

[@ludovici42]

In retrospect, the success of waffle fleece mids (like Patagonia's R1) suggest similar results....just applied to base layers.

[@wolfeadventures]

An R1 Air and a breathable wind shell - Kor Airshell - are insanely useful in sub freezing hiking. I love that combo.

[@WildernessMapper]

Mmmm waffles... And maple syrup...

[@donniebel]

I tend to sweat more than most, it is easy for me to saturate every base layer while hiking and once the layers are wet evaporation cooling causes much greater and quicker heat loss. This is where the 4to 6 times warmer claim comes from in my experience. This is where the dummy in the cooler test falls way short of real life in my opinion- no sweating simulation. Couple of factors in play with the Brynje base layer- it is polypropylene, a hydrophobic fabric so it does not absorb moisture. Being a mesh, moisture quickly moves through it to the next layer. The next factor to making this work is to have the next layers function as a system to keep moving the moisture outward. So the mid insulation layers and shell characteristics are critical. Down to freezing all I need is a polyester shirt, either a sun hoodie or summer weight sun shirt while hiking. I’ll Moderate body temperature with hat, neck gator and or glove choices as needed. If it’s windy a light nylon windbreaker is all I need. Once the temperature drops into the 20’s , I like a mid layer of either alpha direct or alpaca as either fabric is a good insulator while breathing well and holding minimal moisture. Merino wool mid layers absorb more moisture than alpaca and I sweat too much for merino to be effective. When I do stop for a break, it is easy to stay warm with a puffy because my layers are mostly dry. Been a game changer for me.

[@gregvanpaassen]

This sounds like the industry standard layering system - or it should be! Yeah, that Polartec alpha is amazing. As a base layer when more modesty is required, too.

[@CampfireExperience]

As a Norwegian I have used Brynje for over 30 years. They’re great, except for the look. Remember sun screen if you wear them bare in sunny winter weather. The sun burns looks weird. I once forgot sun screen on a 12 hour glacier hike, and got hundreds of diamond shaped blisters.

[@p.richter9592]

Det hørtes ikke godt ut 😧

[@TheGroupRide]

We've been wearing these for a few decades on the bike because we will sweat like crazy and then need it to dry out quickly for the high speed descent. Occasionally I'll use them hiking.

[@bramverweij134]

The setup you have with the freezer is super duper awesome. I would really like to see dry and wet cotton and dry and wet wool in similar weight compared.

[@MyLifeOutdoors]

I’ll see what I can do

[@vemundmellevold3203]

Ive used the Brynje for 15 years in my outdooractivities. The best there is. Whool on top for ekstra warmth.

[@Oslohiker]

You can also layer the mesh shirts ;)

[@painterishere]

Poor wonky camera. Excellent comparison! I thought the mesh base clothing was just a gimmick or a marketing noise but it looks legit. Thank you for the video!

[@TheBearEssentials]

Great video brother!

[@MyLifeOutdoors]

Thanks! I was trying hard to not copy yours.

[@okagedesu]

I'll be heading to Japan to hike Henro in february. This will be very helpfull for me as I wasn't 100% satisfied with my layering as I still get too sweaty even during -2°C with just base layer and fleece. Thank you !

[@backpacker3421]

If you've ever used a waffle weave baselayer like the old Patagonia thermal weights, you get why this makes sense. Waffle weave is basically just a mesh inner layer combined with a thin knit outer layer.

[@WildernessMapper]

Mmmm waffles.... With maple syrup...

[@neemancallender9092]

I have used Brynje since the 70s in cotton for summer and in wool for sub-zero winter snowshoeing Both tee shirts and long johns So this is not new onto the outdoor market Extremely effective and highly recommended

[@manuelh.4147]

Begs the question, why these are not more common.

[@jamesburwash5635]

Amazing! Thank you for the video. I live in a warmer climate, but I see the advantages. An interesting test would be hot weather hiking. Look,forward to your summer test video. Cheers Vancouver Island Canada .

[@cricketcorner8950]

Never heard of this style of base layer, but will give it a try sometime. Thanks!

[@scottyplug]

Finally was able to score a Senchi. In fact, I got 2. Had to camp out (well, not really) for the Dec 17 drop to score the 90. I was dubious, but HammerHollywood finally convinced me on his PCT through hike. This thing is unbelievable. From literally the instant I draw it over my head I can feel amazing heat retention. And it weighs nearly nothing at all. Packs down to the size of a baseball, if that. Now that you've shown me this base layer, well I'm just gonna have to have it too. I think that this, with my OV sun hoodie as a mid, then the Senchi over that I'd be just about set for any and every type of weather. Rain shell and puffy, I'd be just about impervious. And it would all weigh just ounces. Stoked to try this all out this winter!

[@WatsitTooyah]

Your videos are top notch, you put in the effort to actually test things and give real numbers

[@Slow_poke_hiker]

Thank you. I had been considering a mesh base layer, bought it , but hadn't used it yet.

[@robbrigham5926]

I didnt realise this wasnt a think in hiking/backpacking already - I came from the cycling world and they have always been commonplace from all the main manufacturers and used by all the cycling teams. A mesh base layer can also keep you cooler in the summer. Becauase I already had them from cycling for the last 15 years, when I started hiking I just used them automatically.

[@not-a-raccoon]

I've been trying out wool mesh from Heldre, and i love it so far. Very comfortable and warm. It's kind of odd, though. I first tried it when it was about 5c under a sweater,and i could feel the cold, but i didn't feel cold, if that makes any kind of sense

[@nathanielringdahl]

I got the mesh last year and it's incredible, I can't believe how much warmth it adds

[@Brianhemphill-u5j]

I bought the merino version last year and have been using it as a base layer for winter mountain biking and fat tire biking. It feels weird against the skin at first, but you get used to it. And definitely seems to keep me warner, less sweaty base layer.

[@Ray_Here]

Thanks for the data based video. I’ve been looking at mesh for about a year but haven’t pulled the trigger yet. I’m a cold sleeper. I wonder if the mesh under a light second layer would add the same warmth while sleeping, or do you have to be active?

[@compassionsix]

Wow. I did not expect that outcome. Thanks for the video.

[@DubTDub]

Oh no the camera!! 😂😂 Thanks for sharing Steven! I couldn’t believe it myself either! 👍🏻

[@ryankeane8072]

I have a cheap (~$20?) polypro long sleeve cycling mesh shirt that I use for winter cycling and hiking - the back when under a backpack does hold some sweat, but unlike my other synthetic shirts it doesn’t gain any stink, presumably because it’s not absorbing/wicking much sweat. I would like to try a Brynje (polypro or wool) to see if it performs better, but they are pricy.

[@p.richter9592]

Yes, they are. But, if you go for the Super Thermo models, and take care of the garments, they will last you a very long time. The synthetic version does smell more than the wool version after use, but it’s more hard wearing. As Brynje is a Norwegian brand, we have using Brynje for ages, and it works great. Did you know that when Tenzing and Hillary summited Everest in 1953, they were wearing mesh base layers made by Brynje? It’s been around for a long time, and we still use it because it works. ATB from Norway 🇳🇴

[@SleepySteve79]

Since a year I swear by mesh undergear when biking. I thought it was insane, but it got me to give it a try. Works great.

[@karmaclanton5544]

Love it, thank you for sharing!!!❤😊❤

[@shempincognito4401]

Been using a two-baselayer system for a few years: Mesh below and a regular synthetic on top of that. It minimises the contact area between skin and fabric which is great when things becomes damp.

[@brianmcmurdie]

Great video. One of the most thoughtful and scientific analyses I’ve seen in a long while.

[@Adventures4vida]

I know for cyling in cold wet weather the trick is to always be a little cold. Better a bit cooler with dry base layers than warm and swampy with soaking wet base layer. I would assume hiking in the cold is the same. I normally use a UA base layer, but this seems better. Ordering one now!

[@Harry-Giles]

Awesome topic. Timely and well done. Thanks Steven!

[@bjornolavsjogren]

I have one sweater exactly like the one in the video. It really works well, only problem is the looks. Smell wise it is as any polyester. My sweater is more than 20 years old, have been relying on merino the last years, but I think I’ll try the Brynje for som high intensity things without the risk of getting seen without a jacket. 😊 Brynje mean Hauberk or chain mail shirt. Too bad they don’t mak them in silver colour.

[@CaveSkiSAR]

I prefer the zip version of the long sleave top. The T shirt version can be nice in the summer - creates air space for the sweat to evaporate. I sent my Brynje tops out for Insect Shield treatment. Although Insect Shield sent me a note - the tops had shrunk down a size, looked like a ShamWow, but then stretched right back when I wore them. Brynje also offers mitts, hats, with a mesh lining.

[@HikingwithRouletteRun]

I own three pieces, long and short sleeved shirts and a pair of long johns. I love them, and at night I pair them with a 250 weight merino wool mid layer and they keep me very warm.

[@lukedogwalker]

Rab C Nesbitt, 21st Century trend setter! Who would'a guessed? 😅

[@Likes2playinmud]

This blew my mind. Thank you for the awesome videos!

[@theshuz]

Are the mesh base layers also more packable? It seems like they would take up less space in the pack than traditional base layers. Esp during winter backpacking, space is at a premium. I'm already taking larger quilts, more cooking fuel, more food, etc. Even if it is a small difference, being more packable is an advantage. Also how do they compare on price of a similar quality "traditional" baselayer?

[@terryelam7010]

Alpha Direct over mesh is all I need on this on this warm 50* Colorado day.

[@PHYSIZIST]

alpha direct is mesh with fluff sewn in so why bother with the extra mesh layer? i use alpha 60 as my baselayer

[@terryelam7010]

@PHYSIZIST because it's comfortable. I don't need a wind shirt.

[@PHYSIZIST]

@@terryelam7010 fair enuf

[@keirux]

The ZVE1 is an awesome camera, great choice!. Recommend updating it to latest firmware, makes it better in every way

[@craig3401]

Been thinking of getting on of those base layers was wondering if the cheaper 1s from amazon would do the same job as long as there polypropylene

[@armwrestling_nerd]

If you are in a tight budget, go for mesh scarves like sniper/scrim scarves. I think you can get 8 scarves for the price of one brynje shirt. Those scarves are about 1*2 meters so 8 scarves are way more than enough to wrap yourself a mesh base layer. I use 2 of those as EDC scarves, advantage is you can be light clothed (only mesh and a jacket ) and pretty comfortable in any weather , also the mesh keeps shirts etc outside it "fresh" even if I sweat profusely. Using scarves is practical because when getting indoors and not in physical sweaty condition I can pull out the scarves without taking off clothing. In extreme heat you can soak the scarves and make them cool you too. Cheap & extremely useful

[@andydt82]

How is this a new trend? Mesh has always been the best

[@andylikewater]

I got mesh baselayers for two reasons: 1) I wanted to stay/feel drier while hiking with a pack during winter camping trips where I sweat a lot even in -30°C (-22°F). Knowing it's actually warmer is a bonus! 2) When I'm on the water paddling in cooler and windy conditions, I wanted the mesh to keep my damp shirt or racing jersey off my skin.

[@DaaamnGina]

How does it compare to Polartec Alpha?

[@tadghsmith1457]

With the string vest and that beard you look like you might be about to break unto a rendition of “Y.M.C.A” at any moment.

[@PartiHippo]

So long as he isn't claiming it's a gay anthem otherwise Victor Willis will come for you

[@getsmart3701]

Welcome to the mesh club mate.

[@BurfieldPhoto1]

I appreciate the scientific approach you have to your work, which really sets you apart from the majority of "gear" channels in my mind. One thing that would have been nice in my opinion would have been to elaborate on the experiment a bit more by comparing different types of baselayer and comparing wet and dry, and also having a control (no baselayer). Oh, and running each top several times to get an average. I'm talking for the freezer experiment obviously, not trekking up and down a mountain twenty times... hah! I guess what I am saying is the level of science is fun from the perspective of an entertaining youtube video, and don't get me wrong, I really appreciate it, but with only a little bit more work you could actually be producing meaningful scientific data as well.

[@DDF1408]

Welcome to the club! Now ditch that unbreathable hard shell and replace it with alpha (weight for the conditions) and a Dooy or equivalent hyper breathable wind layer. I sweat like an oinker and I just did 25km @-13C in Brynje->Lifa->Airmesh->Dooy and I was warm and dry as a bone, averaging 6.5kph steady on flat ground

[@amaarquadri]

Great video! I love the testing setup.

[@scheely3284]

Would this work as a non-active base layer or is the idea for it only to be used while actively hiking. Will it retain its heat as well when not moving?

[@MyLifeOutdoors]

It should be warm even without moving. But will need other layers to work effectively

[@scheely3284]

@MyLifeOutdoors Thanks for the reply. It would be interesting to see you rerun the thermal tests with a midlayer and puffer to simulate the staticness of camp

[@paula11love]

Like my grandad used to wear back in the 60s here in the UK, old style string vests as we call them. They were made of 100% cotton back then.

[@snackplaylove]

Who knew - 90s clubbing me had it all sussed out!

[@NotALot-xm6gz]

Hi-tech version of the old string vest?

[@alaskabornheathen8902]

I bought a nylon mesh top off of Amazon and it’s amazing with my Wiggys gear. Granted I don’t know how it would work with other types of insulation, it’d probably be good with wool. Wiggys uses Lamilite. It’s a continuous filament coated in silicone. It’s infinitely compressible and it’s impervious to moisture. I’ve worn my Wiggys gear hiking up the side of a mountain at -25. Sweating like crazy and stayed hot. Wiggys sleeping bags are great for car camping because the moisture build up in the car won’t affect the bag. Wiggys has been selling fish net long underwear for quite a while. And they’ve been using fishnet for long underwear in Scandinavia for decades.

[@ericreadinger4242]

I got wiggy's top and bottom mesh last year for my birthday. I don't find it as comfortable to wear as a polyester mesh top/bottom i bought on Amazon. I also found i couldn't get my foot through the ankle opening on the wiggy's underwear bottoms - that no stretch fiber. Is it really best for times of activity? What do you wear overtop of the wiggy’s? I just got a mid layer BD insulated alpine start jacket (wind breaking but breathable outer shell with alpha direct lining some places inside). Maybe that's the proper combination?

[@ldavis4428]

I was also waiting to hear how you felt when you were hiking with each base layer but maybe you wanted to stick to objective and not subjective information. And then I read the comments and that question was answered by others! As always, appreciate the information!

[@springfieldbearpatrol2937]

What about cotton/thermal? What's the latest on that? Works for me and is super comfy. Also, when all else fails I grab a thick beanie and sometimes a scarf around the neck.

[@7gibbens]

Been wearing mesh for years as a base layer for cycling 😊🇦🇺🚴

[@patclark1622]

The old fashioned string vest.

[@kneadedmassage9751]

Fishnet/ mesh has been around for years. Descente used to make a mesh cycling baselayer out of polypro... And the Scandinavians have been knitting open weave wool sweaters for ... millennia? Not new. but mesh can be much scratchier on the skin, and cause abrasion/ chaffing.

[@dabmane]

Does it make sense to put a thin wool base layer on top of the mesh weave, or does that completely eliminate the whole point? Just trying to think about how to deal with those extra cold days in the mountains

[@Yoitsseb]

You'd be layering regardless so yes it makes sense. Literally nothing changes

[@MyLifeOutdoors]

For sure. If you see chilled in just the mesh and a shell…add a wool layer. If you get warm hiking and start to sweat the wool layer might be too much. Layering is all about managing sweat because that is what will make you cold once you stop moving

[@ZiRo815]

Those fishnet underlayers are the fucking bomb. Honestly - they're amazing. Hands down the best thing I've bought for cold weather.

[@jahb0b420]

I've been thinking bout trying some fishnet but am not convinced..excited to see ur conclusion

[@ZukaraTheGame]

More testing still needed. The mesh was warmer because the mannequin was completely static those holes were holding the air. Once you move all that air escapes. Therefore the mesh is warmer when completly still or when super active (sweating) but probably less warm with mild activities like walking from one spot of camp to the other. My theory is if he put a small fan in the freezer to circulate and simulate a small wind the mesh would definitly not be as warm as tight-knit

[@matiashogden1240]

NATO gets their training in arctic warfare in northern norway, we issue netting to all soldiers. Have personally used these for the past three years. It works. Get some. Have not noticed any particular issue with the activity level you mention here.

[@Yoitsseb]

​@@ZukaraTheGameregardless you'd be layering. I think it's safe to say it'd keep you warm because your sweat would dry quicker in mesh. Keeping you warm under all those layers.

[@JohnP58]

What a timings, I was investigating about this products from Norway. Boy they are expensive!!

[@Oslohiker]

It will last you a really long time. I have some that are probably more than 30 years old. In Norway they have a repair service for the rare time they need that. Don't know about the states.

[@SebastienLee-Hamel-p4r]

Been waiting for you to make this video!

[@UnrulyVet]

Very interesting results.

[@albrigo]

Seems an interesting alternative to thermic polyester layer, which has the drawback of smelling upon sweating. So my question is: does mesh layers also smell, or due to the large holes sweat is not trapped into the tissue?

[@WeAreHere-42]

Also available in Merino wool.

[@ferret418]

If companies made a merino wool mesh vest it would be a winner 👍✅

[@tullochgorum6323]

Hardly a "new craze" - Hilary and Tensing used Brinje on their first ascent of Everest. I've been using it for decades. Properly used a mesh base-layer is greatly superior in cold weather. But he's not using it properly - it's important to cap the mesh with a light, wicking, tight fitting top to trap the warm air. I use a fast-drying synthetic base-layer top with a deep zip, so I can quickly dump heat when required. Another advantage is the speed of drying if you do get wet. In my experience, a hand-wrung mesh top will dry completely on the body in under 20 minutes. This means you can wash it in any stream and put it back on. That way it doesn't stink up. On long treks, I simply wear it 24/7.

[@gregbrannon9687]

Wouldn't something like a wool Irish fisherman's sweater with various woven designs function similarly to the mesh undergarment in theory, even though it is a mid or outer layer? Thanks for running the experiment and sharing your results!

[@matthew3136]

Bought one of these to wear under my motorcycle armor. I am looking forward to testing it.