The BIGGEST Problems in Tekken 8

[@corey4191]

"Nobody is talented" guy right here

[@monogameplay3]

No. It's more that the difference in actual talent now matters less, because the game dumbs down so much and lost much of its depth and is now just much more of a 50-50 RNG ' Guess Right You Win ' in many ways compared to prev titles.

[@corey4191]

@monogameplay3 he never said anything about Tekken 8 specifically so idk what ur yapping about

[@TheOneAndOnlySame]

And you're clearly maining one of the broken characters Don't be mad cause you're super carried

[@corey4191]

@@TheOneAndOnlySame hello random, who is mad? do you agree that nobody is truly talented? why do you feel the need to gargle tones balls gently in your mouth? It's not like I hate tone lmao I just think it's ridiculous to think nobody in the fgc is talented when that is factually incorrect even when not applied to the fgc and for whatever reason u think I'm super carried because that totally has relevance to this conversation, I play Tekken 8 with friends so I don't play ranked because that ruins your mentality if that's all you do. I don't main Drag, Alisa, Bryan, Nina, Yoshi, or a Mishima. even if I did who gaf

[@TheOneAndOnlySame]

@@corey4191 He talks about broken characters and your comment is about how he somehow denies that some players are better than others? My conclusion is that you must main one such broken characters since you seem to conflate this with "talent" a,nnd seemingly go into an attack on his character, as if in defensive mode. If that's not the case then I don't quite understand the relevance of your comment. That's the only video of this guy I've ever watched. I don't know him.

[@Slimeafro]

Editor guy here. Sorry some of the moves were wrong for some examples :( . You can imagine how long it took to record every example and make it consistent. Thank you for understanding o7 ALSO 5k SUBS LETS GO

[@ramengxd]

hellko slimefroa

[@waldenio1]

Dw bro it’s rlly not that deep you still goated🐐

[@jon630]

The edits were honestly great, wrong moves or not. It's really cool to see concrete examples of everything as Tone is talking about them.

[@animeavatar2438]

you cooked with this video btw

[@shuaibseedat9066]

No biggy bro. Keep grinding respect ❤

[@IAmEnormous]

Being able to use DLC in training also works as a free sample. You'll be labbing them then go, "Damn, this character's busted, I should buy them."

[@KingOfDarknessAndEvil]

2:55 I always disagree with the idea of "it took me years to reach this rank in t7 but not in T8" because those years of ranked made you a much better player than you are now, you're not the same person who started t7 ranked. What would be interesting is if you went back to t7 with a fresh account and saw how long it took you now for comparison, i think that would showcase the point pretty well.

[@EZNOOB6969]

Sure, but blue rank used to mean something back then, it doesnt mean shit now, shit RED rank used to mean something, now its overfloded with slop players

[@muckdriver]

@@EZNOOB6969 His main reason is that it took a long time not that the system is flawed and anyone can obtain it. Which is wrong if that's his reason for why the ranks matter. In games like League, CS, Overwatch, etc. they can get players out of at least mid ranks pretty fast if they are good enough but the ranks are still actually meaningful.

[@zzzzz333-z5x]

@@EZNOOB6969 just think thats cope and nostalgia bait.

[@EZNOOB6969]

@@zzzzz333-z5x How is it cope and nostalgia bait? I dont even like 7 all that much, but the ranked points system was much better, you needed to grind and be consistent much much more for even red ranks than you do today, GENBU is literally the highest percentage rank in 8

[@thatonepenguinperson618]

I just don't think whiffed heat smashes that are strings like Jin's and Dragunov's should keep going if the first hit misses. It is hilarious but also annoying that Dragonuv is across the room if you side step his heat smash. I also think heat smashes when block should be 0 frames so the answer from the receiver isn't always just "Keep blocking" and it's a true toss up on who goes next. I also appreciate you talking about more customization! This game is so stingy and barren when it comes to customization... But Soul Calibur has also spoiled me.

[@radumotrescu3832]

That's gonna push the heat smashes to remain kinda like a whiff punishing tool, or a hard read move, which is fine. But I think what would be easier to do as a first step is to stop them from having 360 tracking and back hitboxes. That is so annoying, even if you see them whiff, you have to either do a very precise punish or wait for the whole animation to end, which will still track in the end most of the time (or in case of Dragunov, watch him fly away from you)

[@johnnymonsterrrr]

No Stance on block of heat smash like Law or King has would be pretty nice im tired of the stress boss

[@B1gLupu]

Thing about customization is that its also done kinda bad. Like why is the default 1 the one you get when you get into a game without choosing a skin? Who came up with that stupid solution instead of just having the first slot be a custom.

[@radumotrescu3832]

@@johnnymonsterrrr I'm so fucking sick of King heat smash

[@BCDC123]

I absolutely agree about the heat smash BS! We should be able to punish Drags for just throwing that out especially when we sidestep it. That should be a free launch.

[@vaguefgc]

biggest heat change for me would honestly be just to remove the armour/parry break property on heat smashes both mid and low. theres no reason they need to be extra free to do and higher coverage like that on top of being so rewarding on hit (and block)

[@hidetone]

Imagine mid parrying 3 dragunov hits of his heat smash with leroy HAHA that woild be fire

[@radumotrescu3832]

I don't understand why they put Heat engagers on the best moves of the characters (most of them). I feel like putting them on less used moves and strings, like Bryan SS1,2 would add more variety to the situations. There's no point in putting heat engagers in moves that are already safe mids, like Demon Paws and Bryan qcf1+2.

[@hidetone]

They wanted to make a clear cut way to tell new players that these are the moves you SHOULD be using, they even have a separate movelist for them I feel like the demon paw thing and everyone kinda having one is wack though

[@mathiasprudhomme6495]

The one I don't get is Lydia b1, which is +2. Its steppable, but to my knowledge there's no other plus on block mid heat engagers

[@hidetone]

@ hmm thats really good yea Shaheens stance 1+2 is +2 on block and also frame traps after 2,3 ~df and also leads into a combo, it’s hilarious Puts him in crouch and hes a slide char too😂

[@mathiasprudhomme6495]

@@hidetone I forgot about that 😂 They're so wrong for this

[@CD44F]

@@mathiasprudhomme6495doesn’t Drag’s qcf heat engage?

[@mistacrust]

Tracking strings is a huge issue that needs fixing across the board for season 2. How can it be that your defensive option works and you outplay your opponents attacking option but if they finish the string you die while you're standing beind them. Give the Dragunov b4,3 treatment to everybody.

[@hidetone]

Yea I think that it’s always been like this and t8 just important the old system like always.. it’s weird making a 3d fighting game theres always gonna be weird hitbox interactions and stuff like that The string nerf would be great for the game health

[@djw_tekken8490]

​@@hidetone i can tell you why juns low heat smash does low dmg bc it wall splats while otgers dont and now stop ur ahh from downplaying jun bc u play her lmao and saying she need buffs

[@hidetone]

@ i dont play jun… LMAO

[@taenixe]

I’m hopeful for season 2, game is fire and has the blueprints to be insanely good.

[@B1gLupu]

Your point about people purposely de-ranking actually has an elegant solution: Give bonus points on winning a Demotion game and drop people in the middle of the previous rank on a loss.

[@skwadboss]

We gonna get salty 😂

[@EggZackLeeee]

I love that you acknowledge Zafina NEEDING something rather than taking something away. She had a lot of moves taken with nothing replaced and I would love B1+2 back. She got buffed yeah… just in the wrong way imo

[@JonCail24]

Rage arts are the most forgiving supers in all games besides marvel

[@hidetone]

@@JonCail24 make them -23 again lord

[@finnz7786]

​@@hidetonejus remove n ranked or tourneys have a s3perate mode they r casual asf

[@johnnymonsterrrr]

@@finnz7786Nah, they hype as fuck. The problem for me is: 1) they are no execution for having the properties they have thats pretty stupid 2) their properties are too good

[@finnz7786]

@@johnnymonsterrrr it shud be only accessible thru juggle

[@finnz7786]

@@johnnymonsterrrr or splat

[@ShiibityBeepBap]

Why does no one talk about all the dumb oki situations in this game? Its so hard getting up off the ground for new players(especially at the wall). They should teach players basic shit like getting up off the ground or full screen run moves. Dont get me started on all the dumbass knowledge checks each character has.

[@skwadboss]

Its not just hard for new players. The overall oki in this game is buffed you cant just stay down like in T7 you have to mash the right option to get up and chances are you still eat the mix everytime. Overall tho, tekken is a difficult knowledge checky game

[@skruh1145]

Honestly as a casual and relatively new player Oki is ok, it's hectic, you tend to want to stand up asap and it can be overwhelming but all you need is a basic KZbin guide to figure out your options and experiment with what works in the paper scissors rock against your opponents. (If this fella is weak to SSR what if I roll that way or this guy keeps rushing in linearly what if I do a kick). Like yeah I can be blasted at the wall and not know what to do but it doesn't feel like that's an oki specific issue it feels more like I just don't know the matchup.

[@ShiibityBeepBap]

@ the fact that you have to youtube stuff for this game is specifically what im talking about. THE GAME should teach you alot of these things for new players instead of just making the game easier as a whole. Teach the players how to play real tekken instead of giving every character some lame 50/50 bullshit. Thats the direction they should have went instead of chip/heat dumbshit.

[@realTHETAGANG]

i just want a "quick ranked match" button from the main menu. i already know my ranked settings, which side i want, and which character i want to play. There's always 3 screens I have to confirm through in order to get to my first match. This could easily remove 3 screens and makes jumping into a game have so much less friction.

[@kato093]

that is the biggest non issue ever. It takes 3-5 seconds every time you start the game. Like chill my dude. Do you have some condition and will die in a few months? If so, You shouldn't be wasting time playing a mid game like Tekken 8.

[@VengeanceTK]

In terms of Jin, I agree with his heat smash . Make D+2 get a knockdown on CH and keep it -14. He still needs 2,1,4 to play small Tekken . A lot of his moves are linear so 214 gives him the ability to start up a reliable offense . To play against Jin, you just need to know when to challenge him.

[@Quince477]

As a hwo main I agree that 2,4 into ch launcher in heat is a bit too much. I think the reason why they did this is bc hwo is not a defensive character, so they gave him an option to fight back while in heat. The problem is, 2,4 and db4 ch combos deal more than 50% hp without the wall very easily, so it leads to the hwo player fishing for it the majority of the time while in heat. Either remove 2,4 ch specifically, or greatly reduce the damage of the combo. As a hwo main I'd prefer the latter bc now you won't be fishing for 2,4 too much if the dmg is bad, but you still have a defensive option at least

[@henrynguyen4315]

They need to nerf damage on heat smashes in general, a safe move like that should not be doing absurd damage almost rage art level damage and be safe and force a mixup.

[@BertDaBeethoven]

Skimmed through most of it, I agree with everything except I'd like to add on that Alisa overall just needs to be less evasive as well Jack's db1 shouldn't be buffed. It comes out at i12 and does 13 damage. Buff that and he's gonna be a poking nightmare. I'd say give him a sidestep but I'm pretty sure he's always historically just had a shit sidestep. idk though. Nah Jin's d2 should definitely stagger. Jun definitely shouldn't have a 15 frame launcher. It's such a valid weakness for how viable she can be. Even if she's bad I'm fine with it since I personally think she's easier than others. Kuma doesn't need better lows he'd be op without that weakness Law I think his nunchuck needs to stop hitting grounded as well. Lee I actually 100% agree. As much as I believe in weaknesses his heat is kinda ass aside from free just frames. Leo NOOOO ARE YOU CRAZY??!!! HIS NEUTRAL'S FINE HE HAS A DF1 AND D2 THE +4 ON BLOCK COUNTER HIT LAUNCHING MID!!! FASTER HELLSWEEP? NO ONE'S REACTING TO 20 FRAMES AND IF THEY DO THAT'S REWARD FOR BEING GOOD! Nina I think guns in general should just do way less damage. ws1 into gun into wallsplat can do like 90+ damage. Reina nah she's already a nightmare with the stances Steve I also agree we need the shiro combo back Victor I'm just gonna say this: Aside from being pretty committal with lows and stances he has like no weaknesses. Just not OP either. Lidia I think Heaven and Earth should be nerfed and there should be a bit more reward for neutral instead of just stance spamming. Heihachi idk what to say with him I just don't like the new stance and the new non mishima t8 bullshit. Anyway that's my take. Idk if you're gonna read it but some other watcher will so thank you to whoever read this.

[@GreenSinic]

Ranked should give point bonuses for winning the ft2 to incentivize sticking with the set and promote the same environmentas a tournament where you are rewarded for losing a round to gain info. Win streaks shouldnt exist or shluld at least be a little less.

[@jl53588]

As a Lili main, I am super grateful that you didnt call for an execution of the character. I do believe she is strong and that her Heat stuff needs to be toned down but when I debate this with other players they want everything outside of Heat nerfed as well which i severely dont agree with. Thank you for understanding that!!

[@unidentified4122]

I didn't know you couldn't attempt to low parry low heat smashes, I thought I was just timing it wrong every time

[@hidetone]

@@unidentified4122 they have that special guardbreak sound when u try to low parry them, the glass shatter

[@JJPurp]

I have 2 tekken king mains. I’m done playing this game for a while. It sucks…

[@Bilalraza12]

same here bro this game is trash i just un-installed this shit it's not tekken anymore

[@SakuraxTD]

i really think heat smashes should stop after the first hit whiffs. Sometimes heat burst has more range than i think it should also.

[@randomaether]

If I could ask for a change it would be to remove the heat smash prio on imputs, basically, without heat on Steve If you do f3+4>df2+3+4 you would get iPAB df2, but on heat you would get heat smash because of imput priority, I have issues with finger isolation and have suffered from this many time (specially when going for a 1 frame window to punish stuff like 112 from mishimas

[@fancysinigang_tk]

As a Raven main, I was interested in seeing the list for Raven: "No changes" and "You're gonna be hopeless". Well damn haha, should have ended it with it with "Nothing Personal" haha. Interesting list overall man!

[@hidetone]

@@fancysinigang_tk hahah if i were to actually ask for raven changes, a mid tier or high tier raven would be frustrating to fight What could help him is some better frames on db2,1 and better heat engagers like cd1 or something Hes already super risky and his heat is strong

[@fancysinigang_tk]

@hidetone those are interesting changes, first time I've heard those recos for db2,1 and qcf1. I personally would like better frames since my heat usage is meh and I'm too busy risking my life in general with the character. Cant help it hes too dope! Also i have to ask but care to elaborate on the Raven "tendencies" you eluded to when Haze's name came up? Or is that an inside joke? All good either way. Have a good one!

[@hidetone]

@ powercrush from range 2, ws2 when they get hit by jab, ws2 ws2, parry spam, using bad lows like d4 or db4 (seeable)

[@fancysinigang_tk]

@@hidetoneI'm guilty (overwhelmingly lately) on 1+2 power crush, parry spam, and use both lows haha. Ws2 i don't use as much but I appreciate the insight. I'm currently trying to rank up so I see what works and doesnt work in higher levels of play with Raven. I'll be on the lookout if you have any Raven/Bryan sets coming up on your channel. Thanks again man

[@finnz7786]

Raven is completly honest

[@jaym.1446]

I totally agree with the rage thing, you should not be in rage at almost 50% health

[@coldsixthousand1]

I agree with a lot of these nerfs and buffs, but as an Eddy main, I can tell you that Nina can launch punish b3,3 with her b1+4 and Shaheen, Yoshimitsu, Paul can launch punish with hopkicks. Law can too even though his 15f hopkick has poor range. They still have an option, it's just not df2. The only characters who can't launch punish it are Kazuya, Heihachi, Asuka, Bryan, Steve, Jun and Zafina to the best of my knowledge. I think that's fine because some characters should have things they can't punish optimally in certain match ups when my character can't punish things that they do either. That's what made Heihachi a good counterpick against the extremely broken Akuma in Tekken 7 when Akuma couldn't punish demon uppercut. It's what makes fighting games interesting, besides they still have chunky options for 15f punishment. Just my opinion.

[@kylethomas8655]

You're the only person Ive heard saying that rank is too easy A lost is so much worst than the gain of a win. This point is not gonna work for most ppl and further alienate the lower base

[@ilidot5892]

I agree. His changes in that regard would be a nightmare. People would be more likely to quit ranked the higher they get.

[@adhdandrea]

Bro said “as a Bryan main pls don’t butcher my character” 😂 jkjk Great video as always tone, also, engagement comment 🔥🔥

[@dirvine4355]

I think every mishima except reina has a similar move to jin d2 with the same properties , looks like they gave that to jin and jin ff2 move to kazuya

[@skwadboss]

I was thinking the same thing

[@jkdman2007]

For law I thank they can remove his 111 heat engager and replace it with 34 as one of his heat engagers.

[@h2_]

Jun with a 15f launcher, or a heat mechanic that actually did anything, would be so sick. Jun with both? Got dam....

[@kappa3389]

13:23 Man being able to lab/try character you dont own yet would be nice, i am afraid to spend my money on character that i might find not to my liking.

[@TrashGames6]

Bryan: "might be too good" leave virtually unchanged Raven: "on the weaker side" leave unchanged 🤨

[@hidetone]

caught me being a biased competitor oopsie ^_^

[@TrashGames6]

@hidetone 😂

[@versatilelord8893]

My guess as to why eddy’s relax stance is treated as crouch state is because he can block from there. so the animation probably treats it like a crouch block animation Same for zafina’s mantis stance

[@finnT_Tekken]

How about this. Street fighter did it over a year ago. Maybe fill your worthless free version of the season pass with 1 hour lab / usw tickets for a character i dont own.

[@exiledhebrew1994]

Chip was a mistake

[@finnz7786]

Nal

[@TheProswagonist]

I think heat smashss should also be universally linear at least in one direction. They also need to be easy to whiff punish. These moves are crazy strong so you as the defender should be consistently rewarded to making them whiff. Nothing sucks more than watching Drag, Alisa, etc fly halfway across the stage and you can't punish them for it. I also think the spike wall combos should all go. So Lee, Leo, Bears, Xiaoyu would take a hit to their wall damage, but i think those combos do too much damage as well as give their best oki.

[@Comrade_Questions]

What bothers me the most about ranked is that playing more than one game is optional. So many people I encountered up until Tekken King have obviously no idea of the game but abuse some gimmicks and one-and-done you, no matter if they won or lost. Law, Alisa and Hwoarang players are in my experience some of the most guilty in that regard. I can recount the amount of Laws that rematched me after I parried junkyard on one hand. Why wouldnt it be a bo3? Rank inflation is ridiculous anyways, forcing people to play at least one more set would at least try reward you for adapting to your opponent.

[@Hoshiguru]

What if they nerf heat smashes so they can only be used in rage, similar to rage drive in t7? In this way, some character that have a good heat smash will sometimes save their heat until they're low and use it as a comeback mechanic where they are able to use their heat smashes.

[@hidetone]

Wouldn’t like to see people be rewarded for being low on health again, we’re trying to move on from t7 not revert to it

[@DEMONICBANANA7087]

Rage Arts should be -20 at least

[@randullVO]

Hi Tone! Its me MachoMan I didn't know you had a YT lol Subbed!

[@JPROP-vb7sv]

Chip needs to go

[@omegaweapon116]

Or give everybody the same ability to cause high chip damage. Some characters can just erase your health bar with chip damage. My main, Azucena, barely does any

[@jkdman2007]

I agree. Remove chip damage will make this game more balanced.

[@gokublacktekken6166]

Unless they limit the use of heat

[@JPROP-vb7sv]

@@gokublacktekken6166 they should remove rage arts and make heat the rage mechanic. Would make the end of rounds dope

[@RnRRias]

I know they wont do it in 8 but heat should be removed or only be used once per game. Its entirely way to free in my opinion to stay in its current state

[@Wolfspane]

Not an Eddy main but what Ive heard, Eddy’s problem is that his only pressure is 50/50 with incremental damage. It would be better if they lesson the 50/50s, added more impactful ones that may launch, and added some of his neutral tools. I agree with the Azucena buffs except either add another running move or make WR3,2 +4 or +5 again. It really sucks that she’s the only character in the game with a WR move that’s like this when most other characters are +5 to +6.

[@liu3chan]

I think they should slightly nerf all characters. Damage and tracking, but also some properties removed. Too many characters with Armored Heat Engager and also why is Heihachi and Yoshi healing more than Jun, a character that sacrifices her life to attack? Yoshi is weirdly too strong for all the bullshit he can do. The reaction to seeing him went from "let's see what this trickster can do!" in T7 to "ugh, not this overpowered shit again!" in T8. Heat Burst is implemented so badly. It's dumb how it's armored move for lows too. It could be just armor move with heat activation. And he camera during the animation unnecessarily cuts to weird POV that makes it look dumb. I also don't like Rage Arts. The animation is much better than in T7 but I don't like such a long interruption of gameplay. And I understand why they don't want to give us unlimited rematches (basically, if everyone is rematching infinitely there's not enough circulation of players) but some kind of "invite to player match" would just streamline the process of doing it manually which you can anyway so what's the point? Just to annoy us? Other than this, I don't really have a problem with T8 and if you look at T7 a year in it's lifespan (watch Arsenalty's Vanilla T7 video) we can assume the game will be much better in the future. Edit: I forgot to mention wasting resources on Avatars and Fight Lounge when there's almost nothing to do there that couldn't be done more efficiently by just having it in menu. What's the point of all those emotes when there's nothing to react to? Why does the screen just show latest trailer instead of showing a match currently played on those cabinets? Why is everything fake there?

[@lolbastionashton3543]

yoshi is definitely the most frustrating character to deal with and IMO he's top 1. Personally, I don't rematch yoshi players anymore whether I win or lose. The character is absolutely ridiculous. Here is why: - Gaining permanent health mechanic (not recoverable health from chip or normal combos) should be removed or at least nerfed. I have played against a yoshi where they effectively regained half of the full hp bar back after using heat; That should not exist in the game whatsoever. - oki (especially at the wall) is way too strong with f1+2 being a steel pedal (that he can also heat dash from) and the unblockable low is essentially guaranteed if you decide to tech roll. - 1,1 string is very strong and should have some changes. Currently, it's a natural combo and safe at -4f. If the second hit is a counterhit, yoshi gets a f1+2 into oki or is a counterhit launcher if he's in no sword stance. During heat, 1,1 knocks down even if the jab is a normal hit meaning he gets a f1+2 follow up, and it also wall splats so that's great (yes, this is a 10f wall splat...). The chip damage is insane during heat - Flash is way too strong. It's a 6f move that's +14f allowing him to b2,2 into heat, heat dash into a launch or it's an 8f launcher from no sword stance that also heals permanent health... Unless you are so plus that your move is faster than flash, you have to respect it. No sword stance flash can actually BLOCK PUNISH moves that are -8f, -9f, -10f, etc. if they are close enough. As TMM says, this is dealing with the threat of rage art at ALL TIMES throughout the match. - overall has absurd damage considering his unique kit, especially with flash and the unblockable low. If nothing changes about these moves, the damage output needs to be nerfed. 80-90 damage off of an unblockable low should also not be a thing, again with a move-list like his. Sidenote, sometimes I will orbital to counter and it whiffs on his unblockable sword sweep... Fix that, please... - the kin tech trap needs to be removed. There is no counterplay to this at all (as far as I'm aware). You stay on the ground and eat the damage or get up and yoshi breaks your guard guaranteeing b2,2 at +14f which he enters heat or if he is already in heat, he relaunches with a heat dash. - df2 is completely safe at -7f. Some characters with a df2 are -8f. Not a big deal here, but yoshi's df2 has considerable range like drag’s df2. I agree with tone, I think it should be -12f, or be punishable at -10f at the very least... If you haven't seen it already, TMM has a video on yoshi explaining why he's an issue I'm not saying to remove everything I mentioned, however, he does need tuning. Yoshi is already a strong character fundamentally, everything above is added on top of that. There's just too much... something about this character has to go.

[@Comrade_Questions]

Couldnt agree more. It's insane how much good stuff he has, and how easy he gets damage out. You punish him and get a hit engager? Well fuck you, you're still the one having to guess because of flash.

[@skwadboss]

​@@Comrade_Questionsyou are +17 after a heat engage if ur getting flashed ur doing something wrong 😂

[@lolbastionashton3543]

@@skwadboss Absolutely, that’s fair. But why do I have to be 17+ just to take my turn

[@skwadboss]

@lolbastionashton3543 you don't.. if your more than +4 yoshi cant flash you if you use jab strings. The other alternative is to occaisionally play with your timing so the yoshi player dies for whiffing flash

[@LogariusKay]

Great video, great takes 👏🏻 Powercrush heat engagers shouldn’t exist

[@alucard9668]

if opponent misses grab it should be launch punishable and remove unblockable grabs this is crazy bullshit

[@hidetone]

@@alucard9668 it is though🤔 u just duck and launch

[@hallludba]

What’s the song playing at 43:15 ? It sounds so familiar but I can’t put my finger on it

[@Kizzercrate]

It's the Tekken Tag 1 ending

[@hallludba]

@ thank you

[@SakuraxTD]

staff roll from tekken tag 1

[@strikemist]

I think problems right now are Yoshi f1+2 single hit heat engager tracking both ways hitting grounded, 11, flash, spin. Alisa d41+2. Steve sonic fang that you have to just block and not be able to make whiff through SS or SW. Bears doing too much dmg. Bear heatsmashes tracking both ways.

[@skwadboss]

Yoshi f1+2 is steppable

[@georgej9366]

7:44 "spamming low parries" is crazy🤣🤣

[@SnakeFang]

Idk you played Jun. No wonder I couldn't do much when we played at Baddies. I think Jun needs better frames on her hits. Being +2 and +3 on several key moves without a 12f mid sucks since it feels like you're gambling your life to keep pressure from your own hits. Jun getting a 15f launcher would also be nice. And if Jin's d2 gets nerfed, his other lows need some kind of buff. Like CH db4 giving stomp again, a damage buff to d4, or d34 being a natural low high. I also think people respect Jin's dive kick too much. It's only +2 but people treat it like it's +7.

[@vergo1785]

Power crush heat engagers are so stupid.

[@jkdman2007]

Nina's power crush is the stupidest and every nina mashes like crazy.

[@ICanNoah]

With the heat, it’s a 50/50 SOME character get a 25/25/25/25 or “50/50” which I think is stupid especially after I blocked a powerful ass move, and some characters like Steve get nothing and are minus or like Victor or kaz, they get nothing mix up it’s just cuz it’s a low heat smash and that’s it

[@koltyrion4188]

I totally agree with Lars. It's my main for many, many years now, and I would kill for him to get back to his previous form. He is not as bad as Tekken 7 but god-damn the risks I have to take to play him at god ranks is absurd. It's either that or defense with really mediocre poke tools. I would just give him better lows because right now everything is launch punishable, get rid of shoulder DF2 and swap it with FCDF2 like in the old days to have literally anything to threaten opponents in terms of CH keepout because right now there is pretty much nothing really safe to do that.

[@skwadboss]

He doesnt have that safe knee thing anymore where he snaps ur neck on ch?

[@koltyrion4188]

@skwadboss He does but its kinda Meh. No combo or anything

[@BryanKo]

Personally just giving raven safer and long range pokes and a way for him to get damage without too much risk his fastest mid poke and low give him very disfavourable situations also his hellsweep the opponent being able to completely avoid the whole mix up by forward rolling and certain moves forcing sz , also his QCf 2 and qcf 1 having basically lost there usefulness because they truly turned raven into a pseudo mishima just without the punishment just changing these or giving him his i10 knock down back would give raven a easier time

[@hidetone]

@@BryanKo yea raven is in a wackkkk spot right now, i wish he had better pokes so he didnt have to play so scrubby or suicidal. His qcf2 is a joke, but his hsweep oki into stance getting beating by hold fwd is ok bcus u can just go into crouch and 5050 again Buffing his ws punishment would be nice

[@shulymaru]

For the lobby, makes a ID based search like in kof should be the way

[@Plaprr]

tone post i watch

[@Plaprr]

Wait drag B42 -10 is actually genious. Havent heard that suggestion yet. Would actually be a good change

[@pretzel_aksmash353]

Idk I don’t really care if Lee’s heat smash gets buffed or not, I think the fact that it isn’t launch punishable anymore is good enough, I just wish he had something interesting to do with his heat outside of just trying to fish for ff3 combos. Also they should scrap pc heat engagers entirely and make Lee’s f2,1 a heat engager instead, having a launching i14 punisher in heat would be dope

[@hidetone]

@@pretzel_aksmash353 thats a fire idea

[@pretzel_aksmash353]

@@hidetone idk he probably doesn’t need the f2,1 thing, but a lot of Lee’s were expecting that was gonna be one of his heat engagers before he got announced. A lot of moves like that are heat engagers anyway, like King f2,1 and Shaheen db2,1 ect

[@hidetone]

@ yea but the difference is those are also guaranteed after certain chs, king shove -> f21, shaheen ch snk 1 -> db21 Lee has df4,4 as his followup

[@1_ninetytwo]

8:47 :ToneHeen: HOLY

[@Szini50]

Im kinda sure they will Nerf Devil Jin. Idk how he can still be nerfed but they will find a way for sure! Im believing in them!

[@FhargaZ]

Phidx video with nina 3 moves = EVIL!!!!!

[@hidetone]

@@FhargaZ LMFAO

[@hakuyowane4448]

I agree with a lot of this and I feel for Lounge Tekken should look at EVERYTHING Street Fighter 6 did right with battle hub! Battlehub is what lounge should be imo and they let you rematch infinitely and to prevent hogging you can queue for the next match. Balance wise heat for the most I agree with you but I feel in T8 combos are too forgiving when you trade as most times even if you smacked a person they can still get the combo which I feel is dumb but also I feel there is a lot of guarantee that shouldn't exist that leads to high DMG combos routes that are honestly disgusting... As for the free DLC lab it should be a thing and I hate how folks discredit me call me a scrub cause idk a match up I'm paying walled out of but also let us try them for free in practice or offline cause why would I buy a character I don't like! From there I'll say that DLC being spammed the way it is IMO is straight p2w. Also for Alisa for her nerfs I wouldn't make her saws parryable I would make them way more linear instead of just side walk left I say any direction and allow characters with bad sidestep to actually step her. Like her des back 2 imo shouldn't track and even her crush tracks and I feel it shouldn't. From there I feel we need to calm down with making stance heavy characters with insane bloat like the stance auto parries or is evasive but on this topic I want moves to look like what they are as many moves are too deceptive like some highs look mid some lows look mid and it's confusing for newer players. From there we need online practice in lobbies.

[@DarnellU]

I appreciate your content man 👍

[@BustaNAugusta]

As a Bryan main I’ve been experiencing all of my moves whiff after sidestepping my opponent very often. I don’t experience this with any other character. I’ll sidestep and go to punish and Bryan never realigns with the opponent, he continues in the opposite direction and more times than not recovers way slower than the stepped opponent.

[@ThaBlasian206]

I'm diggin these takes

[@OverlordGattone]

But then, once Yoshi loses his safe df2, has 1,1 nerfed, a launch punishable hopkick, flash which becomes reworked to not do what it is doing, spin which self-punishes him and still leaves him open to being launched, no guard break, no 50/50 at the wall... What is his strength at that point? Stances? Unblockables? Playing fundamental like any other character can do but without the actually good shit around which characters are built?

[@dannyrpt]

He can keep all that... It's his damage that's the problem. Same with Xiaoyu. These characters always had the most evasive gimmicky moves and their only drawbacks were not playing real Tekken and doing less damage because of all the tools they have.

[@zer0cx110]

@@dannyrptthere isn’t anything wrong with yoshi including his damage . Y’all just complain instead of learning the match . Just lazy people

[@EZNOOB6969]

What he always was, crazy mixup character that only specialists use, giving yoshi to the common gutter trash is a mistake, the second yoshi gets nerfed his play rate will drop to the botom like all games, pathetic carried retards

[@impacted_seer]

@@zer0cx110what???? This is a crazy take 🫠

[@dannyrpt]

@@zer0cx110 "learn the matchup" sure bro 💀💀 real original. Also are you a Yoshi main? It sure sounds like it... Character downplay is pretty next level in this "community"

[@ShiibityBeepBap]

Great video sir!

[@kato093]

My dude wants dragunov to get gutted like a fish, after 5 years of dragunov being bottom 3 in tekken 7. Qcf4 is fine. Besides the very weak but forced 50/50 at the wall, its low damage, neutral in the open, doesnt track as well as most "linear" moves in the game and kinda meh on hit. It 1000% should hit grounded because its literally the only good move he has to hit grounded. Unless they make qcf2 hit grounded with a flip, nobody touch qcf4 (id rather not cuz qcf2 is finnicky, super slow, garbage recovery and doesnt track at all, so it would miss 100% of the time when someone rolls). Eveyrone gets a super good steel pedal move to hit grounded opponents for massive damage, but dragunov shouldnt? Wtf kinda bs is that? Dragunov is fine now. They should nerf the tracking a bit of qcf4 and thats it. But also make wr2 +5. They should have never nerfed wr2 killing it like that. That is the reason wcf4 is used so much. Its not that its a really good move, its that kts the only really good move dragunov has. Remove that move and current dragunov falls apart and becomes an impotent cripple compared to everyone else. His whole game plan is to get close to you at range 0 to do anything and even then, its shitty no damage pokes into super slow +on block moves so he can tickle you some more or risk a launch with a shitty db3+4 (just make it like bryan's ffs. It gives decent damage, bad frames, has zero range, its -1 million on block, its meh on CH...bryan's is 3 times better for frames on hit and block and range) If we wanna start talking about dragunov nerfs, we gotta start first with bryan, yoshi and nina nerfs, and the other 6 characters above him. Fkn bryan main complaining about dragunov... Might as well get a yoshi and a nina main and make a circus show cuz hou will have 3 clowns. Bottom 9 for win rates should be nerfed more. Sure. Gotta get him to bottom 3 right? Like tekken 7. Lets ignore that TWT was using an old patch without the recent big nerfs and even then dragunov underperformed, with way more jins. Because qcf4 is a big problem at the wall 😂 meanwhile byan can taunt launch you fir like 100 damage, has like 6 + on block moves he can use, all wall splatitng, almost all CH launching and half being mids, with a mid guard break launcher and the best wall pressure and wall damage in the game. Yeah, dragunov is the problem because he can do qcf4 into a shitty 50/50 that has a 50/50 in the mid that is a launch (he also wants b4,2 to be unsafe yay. So... He doesn't have a single safe string, even starting with 2 hits. Meanwhile bryan can have a homing safe mid,mid, mid that does a bazillion damage and safe mid strings that are ch launchers. If b4,2 is -10, b4,2,1 must become a CH launcher)

[@AzoozAlAhlawi]

Man this Bryan streamer is biased lmao. He said with a straight face it's fine to have qcf1+2 basically be homing, qcb+1 plus 5 CH long range launcher, and hatchet is plus 5 so you can trap with his top tier jab strings or hold more mixups cause you can't move. Nerf QCF1+2 tracking, less frames on hatchet or qcb1 to allow moving after. 3+4, 2 is only -2 for a mid mid wallsplat move that can be charged for a guard break and against the best wall pressure char. It needs to be more minus to deter the Bryan from mindlessly continuing his offense, and d2,3 and the second knee from qcf/while rising should should be more punishable (-12 is probably good). Basically Bryan gets the highest rewards in the game without taking too many risks and that needs to change

[@BloodRain222]

Can’t wait for them to nerf Yoshi so real legacy Yoshi mains can do our thing without everyone crying. I promise you most you scrubs are still gonna get dogged on but only the really good players will notice the nerfs

[@oztheimmortal]

Jun main here. Hoping Jun gets buffed

[@since2133]

Just remove Nina. Devs think making her busted would stop us from calling her boring but it made things worse.

[@muckdriver]

Completely disagree on ranked, except the rank up bonus which I think everyone should agree deranking then ranking up as an optimal choice is dumb. Idk what it is with FGC devs(or does this happen in other japanese games?) and some of you guys who play fgc ranked but y'all seem allergic to a normal and well functioning ranked system. They have been solved in much more complicated games where they have teams, role locks, or asymmetrical team sizes. No, it shouldn't take a decade to get to the high ranks IF YOU ARE GOOD ENOUGH, and no someone shouldn't be pushed up or down for arbitrary reasons. Win streaks are fine and should snowball people upwards as to not disrupt ranks they have no business being in. Difficulty to rank shouldn't come from spending years playing but from the fact you're facing tougher opponents. If hitting GOD, Masters, etc ranks makes you stop playing it's either the game has bad incentives or just a you problem. The two suggestions for points help no one. Win streaks should be reworked as they don't do it properly(iirc it's like 2 and should be exponential with a cap(Start off as small bonuses and grow bigger. Until it hits a cap of I guess 10 matches or something idk). Loss streaks shouldn't exist since when someones winstreak is broken it means they are most likely at a rank where the players are better or roughly the same skill. The promotion chance isn't the issue so much as the bonus that is given, either make that a once in a lifetime bonus or have the bonus not exist at all.

[@IXIKAYAKOxSAEKIIXI]

The lobbies sucks. Everyone pretending to be afk when u joins

[@PhosHouseki]

the maps in this game are so obnoxious, you have no idea how long ive been waiting for some one to talk about this. stages just feel mass produced and souless

[@omegaweapon116]

I wish we had infinite stages again

[@juno346]

Leroy does too much chip damage and why the F*CK does he heals off a parry? That makes no SENSE.

[@LaTaleFanatic4Life1985]

Let's hope that they'll fix at least some or half, if not most, of the current issues with T8 at the moment in S2 but we'll have to wait and see by then. I know for sure that S2 is gonna be a huge update for sure in a few months from now. Also, as a Ling and Panda main, I completely agree with the nerfs suggestions for these two characters 💯. ✌️😁

[@c0diz]

nina has another i15 launcher, she can launch eddy

[@lomainzz]

grounded hits should do permanent health

[@BedzSB]

take away the fact that rage arts scale taken damage

[@-KLEEKO-]

The amount of cheaters is rising too. A lot of players on PC have been doing it and its making playing the game a horrible chore.

[@remas_420]

I've never spotted this legendary "cheater". Sounds like skill issue

[@hidetone]

@@-KLEEKO- luckily i don’t run into many but i do wish theyd ban cheaters and pluggers more

[@strikemist]

What's good Tone I'm doing good today.

[@PwnerGeist]

Heat shouldn't be given to you refilled every game same goes for heat super as well

[@AuralFixation_]

HEEN 8:47

[@alihandal21]

8:47 LMFAOOOOO

[@skwadboss]

Man said ninas DB3 is reactable 😏 i hope i get those reactions 1 day. Edit did he really say give yoshi a LAUNCH punishable HOPKICK? 😅 how u gonna make a df2 minus 12? It doesnt even launch crouchers. 🙄 all these pro's tryna dethrone Yoshi and downplay their busted mains

[@liu3chan]

Did you play Yoshi in previous Tekkens? I think he was much cooler when people thought about him as underdog and not as top 3 character. I would go so far as to say he completely lost his identity.

[@skwadboss]

@@liu3chan he still has the same moves he hasn't lost anything in fact he's gained alot. That's good for the character

[@booleann___]

you need to be able to lab characters you don't own. so ridiculous.

[@Fresha-Nils34]

Saw 2 minutes of the Video... Lee Main here. Already depressed about having the worst heatsmash and Heat in generell 🤣

[@omegaweapon116]

I don't even know what Lee gets in heat ngl lol

[@jkdman2007]

But if they give him better heatsmash he will be top 5 for sure.

[@Fresha-Nils34]

@@jkdman2007 nah Bro. YOU dont have to give him Jin or shaheen heatsmash. Just make it 2 frames faster anf 3-5 more DMG. Than you have a Paul / kazuya Like heatsmash 💯

[@Chosen.24]

Rage arts nooby asf! A lot of players got saved from a a** whooping because of a rage art.

[@Limit47]

I haven’t watched the entire video of any KZbin channel until I found this one !

[@emilioulloa6682]

I disagree with rank if anything they should make it so that if you loose during bonus you keep loosing a point until you loose your bonus completely and if you loose your rank you have to win your next two matches to get back to your previous rank which means your less likely to get your rank back with the same person.

[@DanteHikato]

26:30 bro.. jab....

[@sapphirus217]

They all dies for easy counterable e reactable stuff from trash jin Don’t know what to say anymore😅

[@Djfmi]

You said it’s easy to rank up. No, it is not. Lol I’m in blue ranks and been chilling here.

[@omegaweapon116]

Yea I don't know what these guys are talking about. Maybe it's easy if you play 6 hours a day or something

[@jkdman2007]

If it's tekken 7 or before you will never reach blue ranks.

[@HellCat_Kenny]

​@@jkdman2007this, it's never been easier to rank up

[@larrywoolfolk8224]

Hi, someone who just reached red ranks here, I think the argument is being horribly misrepresented. I don't think that ranking up is any easier than any other fighting game, it's the fact that the skill floor overall is lower so naturally the rank distribution is probably the most even I've seen in a fighting game. I'm pretty sure we can all name a fighting game where just playing a broken character during non peak times can just blast you to the top (or strive where you can actually just 2box in celestial if a friend is up there). Not to mention that amount of information available for players to improve if they so choose, obviously you have cases that a character specific when their kit is overloaded but that's what patches are for.

[@larrywoolfolk8224]

And naturally I'm happy that more people are shifting from casual player to rank play, because I will never want to go back to the days of only the most sweatiest of players playing rank so that finding a match takes like 10 minutes.

[@OnyxeBlade]

Urban, Beach, and Heihachi's stage doesn't have any interactables and the Arena stage as well. Having rage over 50-60 should not be a thing. Rage should only be available at low health. Heat Activation should run out faster even when you are being juggled or hit by an RA. Also WiFi indicator is needed and significant buffs to characters with low tournament presence without being broken

[@Kingkaindal]

a lot of shit can be solved if they just took that heat system BS out.

[@BD-km8mu]

why nerf kazuyas CD 1+2 When it doesnt track well, and they already nerfed DB 1,2 on grounded heat dash and the high hellsweep is already minus why make it less fair for players that can possibly whiff it sorry bro but you didnt give me something interesting bro all you said was nerf everyone when you should have said just nerf kuma king yoshi nina dragunov shaheen and lee and jack 8 and what about jins hellsweep it sets up for okeizeme and hard to avoid D 2

[@hidetone]

@@BD-km8mu got u to comment, ggs

[@BigDaddyWes]

The players. The players are the worst part of Tekken 8. Especially the ones complaining. They don't know shit about balance. It's all perception. They just "feel like" something should be different and get upset.

[@kylethomas8655]

I'm about to disagree with this post just based on the thumbnail