The Bizarre Mystery of the Khamar Daban Deaths

[@Wendigoon]

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[@osterreichisch-ungarischem4167]

Will do!

[@turkeyguy3611]

Yikes!

[@evanorsomething909]

Hi dad

[@HypnoToad248]

I would but I'm poor ! 👍

[@Lifesizemortal]

Wendi pls cover the Northern Reach books aka the movie Annihilation

[@arina4387]

Valentina’s testimony honestly reads like a Creepypasta… that sounds absolutely horrific, I can’t even imagine how broken her mind must’ve been after experiencing that

[@ToyokaX]

Yea, and not being able to understand why it's happening or why she was spared (and the reality that she was *really really* lucky do not be in the wrong place at the wrong time) just seems like too much to bare.

[@lucastudor5536]

@@ToyokaX except that it's almost assuredly not what happened.

[@Tonybaloney6969]

@@ToyokaX man that survivors guilt has to be overwhelming now that you mention that. I couldn’t begin to imagine

[@pyotrtchaikovsky93]

im watching this, and im thinking the same thing

[@pgg-i4c]

@fine damn I missed it, how could I

[@wtolman]

Wanted to highlight that Lyudmila told her students to retreat away from the clearing instead of rushing to Alexander's aid in that moment. Incredible advice and she gave it immediately as she ran to try and save him. That's heroism to me

[@DrummerDaddio]

I'd love to hear your take on Alferd Packer: The Colorado Cannibal. He took a group of gold prospectors during the gold rush era through the Rocky Mountains from Utah to Colorado when they became snowed in. In the spring, Mr Packer waltzes into town too healthy, plump, and... wealthy to have barely survived the winter in the frozen rockies. The remains of his companions were found cannibalized after a search for the missing men was mounted. I don't want to spoil too much, but it's totally a story that fits in with the theme of this channel. Congrats on 1 million subs, btw!

[@scottydu81]

Wasn’t that the plot of Cannibal: The Musical?

[@DrummerDaddio]

@@scottydu81 precisely! Based on a completely true story.

[@scottydu81]

@@DrummerDaddio I knew it was either Packer or Donner

[@SiriusZiriux]

Let's Hear It Wendigoon. Or Else.

[@basementdwellercosplay]

There's a good song based on it. It's called murder, cannibal and thief. Edit: here's the song on KZbin, you can also Google it if you want kzbin.info/www/bejne/oKXUYpp-jLemiZY

[@tituslafrombois1164]

Valentina's account is nearly lovecraftian in how horrifying and unexplainable it is. Imagine just having a normal hiking trip and then all hell breaks loose around you and people start bleeding out of their faces and convulsing and smashing their own skulls against rocks. Has got to be one of the most horrifying experiences someone can go through, not just because of the circumstances of the deaths, but how inexplicable it is. Some kind of unseen unknowable force just making everyone around you melt from the inside.

[@concept5631]

My mind and body would quit being alive if I saw that shit firsthand.

[@uknowngamer1017]

It gave me chills just hearing it. I couldn't imagine being there for it, let alone being the LAST person to make it out.

[@theplayonier7791]

Better yet, imagine running into the woods to escape this nightmare and realizing days after that you will starve if you don't go back to your dead mates... Standig at the edge of the forest, seeing the dead people lying bloody and with bashed in heads on the ground, having to bring yourself to slowly, step by step walk to the corpses and expecting every second of it that the same will happen to you. That has to undoubtedly be the most nightmarish thing i can imagine.

[@uknowngamer1017]

@theplayonier7791 the only thing that comes to mind that is more hell-ish, is the other wendigoon video of the man kept alive for 90 days as he suffered radiation exposure. His intestines melted and his skin was peeling off, but he was alive through it all. This content is dementing me lol

[@WriterTuy]

@@uknowngamer1017 That’s still by far the most horrific thing I’ve ever watched and I didn’t even see photos of the guy

[@SilencedForgotten]

“I would feel more obligated to sign an NDA from a yeti than the government” Holy shit I felt that statement.

[@CadeTheBoss]

Government just gonna make you permanently not disclose anything

[@JimmyThree-Balls]

Yo

[@Noobolon]

the yeti be like: yo yo you didnt see anything ok i dont exist now go away and ill spare you

[@Joe_of_Arc_]

You're watching a Wendigoon video. Of course you don't trust the government.

[@maxelldenomie6131]

May u be safe...

[@crow2989]

The thought of using your last bit of consciousness and life to bite your friend because you have no other way to make them flee the danger is heartbreaking

[@umpahumpah2962]

That’s a really sad way to see it :((

[@animaniacs538]

At least you didn’t die in vain

[@scottpeltier3977]

And honestly that’s a first I’ve heard of such a warning coming from a human. Really puts a lot of depth and sense of urgency to what she told us. Makes it more believable

[@markjackson3531]

that's an interesting perspective

[@rashmibhargav1343]

I don't think she bit her for that.

[@ajablued]

This story has always fascinated me. Valentina's story is terrifying, but that one thing that has always gotten to me most is the part about following the power lines only to find an abandoned village. The thought of having already survived so much and thinking you've found salvation, only for it to be empty buildings is heartbreaking. She was such a strong girl to keep pushing forward.

[@artstudentwannabe]

I love your pfp 😌 Have a great day, comrade ✨🧄🍞🍰🐉✨

[@FeeshCTRL]

@@artstudentwannabe your pfp perfectly summarizes how I feel about what you just typed

[@artstudentwannabe]

@@FeeshCTRL do you at least understand? garlic bread cake dragon, its an ace thing :D

[@FeeshCTRL]

​@@artstudentwannabe Yeah and I think it's kinda lame lmao

[@artstudentwannabe]

@@FeeshCTRL aw :( its just a meme in our community, like we'd rather eat cake instead of having sex... do you think the meme is lame? or is it the sexuality?

[@aloox395]

Being killed by something you can't even see is beyond terrifying.

[@profisher1000]

that’s so true I can’t even imagine, they don’t even know how they died

[@juiceboxbzrk]

Insert predator clicking noises

[@infinitestare]

like for example dehydration.

[@thelastmotel]

The majority of things that kill people can't be seen

[@taquitobandito6054]

Womp Womp rip bozo 😂

[@jamessakalarios2112]

Now if I had a nickel for every time a group of hikers died in the Siberian wilderness under mysterious circumstances, I would have 2 nickels, which isn’t a lot but it’s still weird that it happened twice.

[@Lunarfox777]

You'd actually have a small mountain of nickels, Siberian wilderness likes to claim lives and lose bodies.

[@HearthArrowandKey]

Heh. Dyatlov, right?

[@hughcaldwell1034]

Thanks, Doof.

[@MiloMurphysLaw]

I understood that reference.

[@hughcaldwell1034]

@@MiloMurphysLaw Your name is humorously appropriate here.

[@NO-AH562]

EMT here, can confirm that while there's a ton of reasons pulmonary edema could occur, toxic gas inhalation is one of those things. Nerve agents have been known to cause hemorrhaging but we didn't really go over WMDs a ton in school so I can't really comment on the pathophysiology of that, but toxic gas inhalation can absolutely cause pulmonary edema, usually from inflammation of lung tissue and sometimes by causing a pump issue in the left side of the heart.

[@mrkrabs5631]

why did she smack her head against the rock tho i dont get that

[@NO-AH562]

@@mrkrabs5631 possibly gas, induced psychosis? People do all sorts of strange things when they die, that really only they and God will know why.

[@NO-AH562]

@KirbyKat definitely a possibility, although until you've been with someone in their finals moments, you'd be surprised how hard someone will fight to stay alive even if it's pretty doomed.

[@maddiesmenagerie8853]

After hearing of events like this from areas of natural toxic gasses like volcanoes, as soon as I heard her account I immediately thought of some kind of gas.

[@ronkledonkanusmoncher564]

@@mrkrabs5631 If your lungs and throat were melting, you’re frothing from the mouth and convulsing, your eyes are bleeding and you’ve got your liquified insides mixed with blood pouring out of your mouth, you might just go insane from the level of pain and fear that would put you under, not to mention the mental trauma seeing friends and mentors suffering this kind of death so suddenly and randomly, might make a person just try to kill themselves faster to make the pain stop. This is without assuming that the nerve agent in question is causing brain damage, which is very much a possibility, as it reportedly induced seizures and caused such a high level of damage to other bodily tissues. There’s a reason nerve gas is so feared, depending on the substance, it could potentially be the worst way to die that one could imagine.

[@gracee.4657]

I don't blame Valentina for not retelling this story for decades... And when she first told her parents and had a mental breakdown. Im sure anyone who had this happen to them would react the same.

[@longlivegarybusey6409]

I don't think so. Most people would tell the whole story so they could hopefully get answers as to what happened and prevent any other hikers in the area from dying in the same way. Something doesn't add up about her refusal to just say what happened.

[@thoughtsandquestions317]

@@longlivegarybusey6409 that's under the assumption that human beings are completely rational people, not affected by their surroundings. I think you're forgetting the PTSD that likely occured. The amount of trauma, pain and horror that must have caused her would take a long, long time to get over. even if you did want answers and to help the families of the victims, it's something you can't control. That's why so many veterans and victims of the Holocaust often don't speak of what they went to until much later, as well as many rape victims. It's too painful. It might not be the rational choice, but the brain isn't rational to begin with

[@longlivegarybusey6409]

@@thoughtsandquestions317 She wasn't in war, she was hiking. Ptsd from war is nothing like ptsd from witnessing 7 people suddenly die of mysterious causes while you were out doing recreational activities. You don't clam up for 25 years simply because you saw people die from some kind of poisoning right in front of you. If you were in a restaurant and saw that you wouldn't be curled up in a ball rocking back and forth unable to tell authorities what you saw. Even the most fragile person would still be able to collect themselves a day or two later and give a statement. The military testing theory seems the most believable in my opinion, that she was threatened to keep quiet or feared being killed if she told the truth. It is Russia after all. But either way, like I said...im not buying she was just so shocked she couldn't talk. That's not how a person would react to this particular traumatic event. Even a very fragile individual unless they were hiding something.

[@thoughtsandquestions317]

@@longlivegarybusey6409 I disagree. And that is that. PTSD can occur from more than just war, and watching 7 of your friends die in a horrific way of unknown cause, being completely isolated soon after with no hope of survival, thinking you'll die too in some extremely painful way. It doesn't take much to cause trauma, and some people are stronger mentally than others. It seems she did give a statement to the police, but we have no way of knowing whether they prevented her from saying any more due to the government (like you mentioned). Ultimately, we have no way of knowing

[@longlivegarybusey6409]

@@thoughtsandquestions317 You clearly skimmed my comment instead of actually reading it.

[@spook4429]

I love how bizarre and horrific hiker deaths always get a yeti theory, like the yeti has these weird, violent superpowers lmao

[@HappyBeezerStudios]

And now I imagine the somewhat civilized yeti sitting in his cave watching those stories thinking "they said I did what?"

[@spook4429]

@@HappyBeezerStudios "why that's just preposterous!" (Yeti) "I know right?? They said I destroyed a whole bridge?! Can't a bug just get some fresh air?" (Mothman) "Y'all don't even know the half of it..." (Chupacabra with a thousand yard stare)

[@dodojesus4529]

​@@spook4429 *cut to a jew "Try me"

[@InvaderGIR98]

@@HappyBeezerStudios I like the thought of a lurking yeti seeing this happening to the hikers and getting the hell out of dodge cuz he doesn't know if he's next

[@distrust_us]

yeti wizard

[@heathercameron1485]

So I had hypothermia once on a school camping trip. The weird thing in my experience is that I actually had no idea that I was too cold. The only reason I got help was because the girls I was sharing a tent with noticed I was acting really strangely. I became irritable and snappy, which is not like me at all, even yelling at someone not to touch me when they were just touching my shoulder to reassure me. I remember that all I wanted to do was go to sleep and the cold made me feel much better. At the time I genuinely thought I was just over-tired and that's why I felt very out of myself. Everything felt far away in the distance and the cold brought me comfort. I still didn't feel cold, but wanted to be colder, so I sat outside the tent which is when the girls were like "Something's not okay here." It's almost like your brain says "Well, we're shutting down anyway, might as well speed this up!" At this point I became dysfunctional. I couldn't eat. I was given a chocolate bar for quick energy. I semi-chewed it and let it fall back out of my mouth because it was too much effort. I couldn't walk or stand. I got taken to hospital and warmed up on the way, so by the time I got there I was fine. I'm not sure if my experience really adds anything, but just that hypothermia makes you go crazy and the symptoms are not always obvious. Sometimes weird out-of-character behaviour is the main observable symptom.

[@morkusmorkus6040]

Yup this story is bullocks. It was 100% severe hypothermia which has, surprise surprise, the symptoms of: hallucinations, paradoxical undressing (because you dont feel cold), and heart stoppage. This perfectly accounts for the story and really couldn't be more clear cut.

[@Gomarinka-w5z]

​@@morkusmorkus6040 so they would have died from hypothermia after starting a fire?

[@r.daneel.90]

@@morkusmorkus6040 what about the bleeding?

[@alexbarkas7598]

@@morkusmorkus6040that’s crazy! I didn’t know that you were there as a first hand witness!!! We don’t know and we’ll never know…

[@thefour_horsemen9648]

@@morkusmorkus6040 So everyone dies at the same exact time from hypothermia? 🤔 last I checked humans have vastly different and unique breaking points. Meaning everyone would have died seperately ranging from hours or days apart. Guess the sole survivor had a better jacket apparently 🤣

[@Mad_Ancient_Computer_700AD]

I totally believe that whole thing with the nerve agents. Makes sense why they'd just write it all off as hypothermia. I can't imagine the horror in the moment--seeing people you love bleed in unspeakable ways. I can't imagine the trauma.

[@DonDmoney95]

I was a CBRN Marine while serving and when I heard her account before he got to nerve agent it sounded like textbook Chem weapon exposure. Like day 1 course signs and symptoms. There are many routes of absorption. Skin(percutaneous), mouth, nose, eyes. So with the temperature being lower, rain, etc it is possible for contaminants especially if degraded to pool in an area. The pulmonary edema, convulsions and bleeding along with erratic behavior are all signs/symptoms of nerve agent exposure. So from an actual professional perspective it checks out.

[@franciscodetonne4797]

Hypothermia is written as the cause of death because it is the final blow. It's like kill-stealing in video games, the other injuries did 99% of the damage, then hypothermia finished them off. ... Or that is what the local authority wanted us to think.

[@beacondude5000]

These guys got Black Ops'd to death

[@ThatGirlJD]

@@DonDmoney95 It reminded me of the videos I've seen of the run through the gas chamber from basic training. The only difference is that is a CS/ tear gas and this was something much, much worse and they didn't have training on what to do when encountering a biological weapon. Her friend biting her and the run who yelled run are the quick thinking heroes who saved her life. They likely had a little knowledge about biological warfare from growing up during the cold war and family that was in the military.

[@adrevenue726]

@@franciscodetonne4797 see that makes so much sense, yet when i tell my lawer that it was ground that killed that hooker and not me pushing her, he doesnt wana hear me out.

[@haslittle8078]

"I would sooner sign an NDA from a Yeti than the Government" Absolutely 100% this

[@tilenHD]

i think wendigon intentionally wants those out of context videos made of him haha

[@malif1279]

The yeti might kill you but atleast it won't tax your ass

[@yung_dagger_d1469]

That's not what he said💀

[@tsukikosmith6908]

I like the idea that Tatyana realized she breathed in something fatal and chose to bite Valentina to make her back away and be in a safe area instead of where the possible fatal gas was. It does make sense in a way.

[@Damacles1776]

It’s a nice thought, but I don’t think so. She bashed her head in against a rock, suggesting not only a rabid state of mind but also an intense painful pressure inside her head. It is far more likely that the hand touching her caused an immediate searing pain and she instinctively bit at it. It’s doubtful that someone experiencing such a horrifying internal pain that it lead them to dig at their throat and bash their head in with no obvious cause would consider the well being of another person for even a second.

[@damienkendrick1664]

The fact that you shut down your Patreon down because you feel like you've outgrown the need for it really earned my respect. Most people would be content to ride on that and take the extra income. That's a lot of integrity on your part and it's sorta refreshing to see someone who's making good content and isn't just chasing the next dollar. Consider me a fan.

[@startlingames3766]

My boy is even big enough to be targeted by bots, so proud 😢

[@MiloMurphysLaw]

Personally, I don’t see any problem with KZbinrs having a Patreon available for people who want to support KZbinrs that they like to watch. It’s not like they’re forcing anyone to pay for it. But I do understand not wanting to have a Patreon, if the creator isn’t comfortable with asking people for money if they don’t have enough content or perks to justify it

[@2shadowgamer2]

What's wrong with having a Patreon? Like everyone needs money for basic necessities? I don't know why people think that content should be made for free. The fact that he earned your respect for shutting down his Patreon is really strange?

[@damienkendrick1664]

Y'all really misunderstood what I was getting at. I don't have a problem with Patreons. I'm patroned to 2 KZbinrs, myself. My point was that it's nice that he got to a point in his success that he knew he didn't need the money and chose not to take it, full well knowing that any one of those people would have gladly given him more without question. Take that how you will. I don't think that finding that as respectable is weird.

[@znae9243]

Agreed.

[@sagemulcahy1902]

God dude. Any topic you cover is always interesting but seeing you do creepy and unknown stuff like this is always a treat definitely my fave creator when it comes to mysteries

[@donutseeds1285]

khamar daban isn't really unknown tbh

[@bigshrimp6458]

@@donutseeds1285 Yeah it is, there was very little content out there on it till just a few years ago when it started becoming more known. Doesn’t help that Ruskis tried to hide it too.

[@Suspense747]

The symptoms she described sound kind of those found in anthrax poisoning. Anthrax is a bacteria found mostly among animals, but can be spread to humans and can travel in spores through the air.

[@parable2788]

Yea or rabies

[@luichinplaystation610]

Mushroom spores

[@mrkrabs5631]

why did she smack her head against the rock tho i dont get that

[@GroundbreakGames]

No way they would all be effected at the same time. It would have to be a nerve agent of some type. This acted way too quickly and in unison to be anything but a biological agent of some type that can directly enter the bloodstream.

[@antoniaparish7415]

@@mrkrabs5631 maybe she was in so much pain that she wanted to die more quickly and tried to take her own life

[@Siniein]

This reminds me of the incident in South Africa where multiple hundreds of people have died next to lakes after large rainstorms when carbon monoxide deposits at the bottom of the lakes has exploded out and cause carbon monoxide poisoning. I would it be curious if something similar was happening. Anything from a mineral deposit inside of a cave? Or even a fungal bloom that could have just rolled out?

[@Kekatronic]

what sort of natural material could cause a death like that though

[@JAY-tm7lt]

@@Kekatronic a lot more materials than you think. Like that guy was saying, the incident with the people dying near the lake literally happened in a day or two, everyone in the village collapses and dies right there just because the weather changes a bit and brought the toxic chemicals from the lake into the air. Terrifying.

[@sb_hooded]

I'm South African, and I've never heard of this. Interesting, would like to see a video on it

[@TORchic1]

Iirc, it wasn't in South Africa. It happened in Cameroon at Lake Nyos. It was also Carbon Dioxide, not Monoxide. What happened at the lake was a rare event called a Limnic Eruption. Because that lake was located in a volcanic area, the bottom of the lake had accumulated tons of mostly carbon dioxide gas, without anyway to vent. Eventually, due to anything from a small earthquake to differences in pressure due to cold rains, the bottom of the lake experienced a change and all the gass erupted from the lake. The gas caused the death of anyone and anything that was close to the lake. Those that survived were either lucky or were situated above where the gas settled, because Carbon Dioxide is a heavy gas.

[@Siniein]

@@TORchic1 thank you for the clarification! Khamar deban is in an active volcanic range. I would be curious to see if there were any nearby lakes or even ponds in the area where the incident happened. I find it interesting that heavy rainfall was involved in both incidents as well.

[@Cor82]

The first thing I thought of while watching this is a different case where a girl lost her whole family in a matter of minutes. Her father went to their root cellar (much like a basement) to get potatoes and didn't return. Then mom went down to check on him. Then her aunt, etc. I think 5 in total. It turned out some potatoes or other roots went bad, creating a layer of gas on the floor. So all someone had to do was bend down in the cellar and they were dead. Just seems like how things would go if an invisible pocket of gas were near some people. Morbid thought but, the first person that even has a chance of getting away is the third that could die. It would take one person falling, then another falling when rushing to their side. Then the third person would have to figure out that gas took the other two people out, otherwise they'll rush to help. It's like it's almost guaranteed to kill 2 or more people. Just fucking awful, you can't win.

[@FlymanMS]

That instantly reminded me of Chiocolatta from JJBA 5 and his stand Green Day

[@pooppoopzoopzoop9935]

It wasn’t just the layer of gas, it was the fact that it had bad ventilation in the basement, which caused the whole room to be filled with the gas over the course of the winter. Each family member would rush down the steps and close the door behind them except for the grandma, the final one to die. Which is how the little girl survived in the end, the gas was able to ventilate out of the room, and because the gas is only poisonous in high concentrations, the little girl was able to call her neighbors and the police for help.

[@narniadici1976]

Four people died, her father, mother, older brother and grandmother.

[@binkao2938]

There was someone knowledgeable that discredited that theory and said it was impossible for the potatoes to have been the cause.

[@richardmillhousenixon]

@@binkao2938 Not necessarily. During the process of decomposition the bacteria in the potatoes could have consumed most of the oxygen in the room, in which case if there wasn't good ventilation, the story lines up pretty well with other situations in which people have entered areas with low or no oxygen

[@lordgeorge36]

Wendi has a weird speech quirk. He never says “when”. Every time he needs to say “when” he says “whenever”. It’s very interesting and unique

[@ktcooki276]

"To which"...." whenever"...to which!!!!😆

[@DiMagnolia]

It’s adorable!

[@Kiss_My_Aspergers]

It's a Zoomer thing. A lot of them do it. It's just super noticeable with Wendi because he does it *every* time and talks for long periods in one go, so you'd notice it more with him or a similarly detail-oriented content creator than with family, friends, co-workers etc.

[@littleleakyleakythere]

Lots of people do this. I can tell you that because for some reason I don't understand, it makes me irrationally angry

[@bethanyward9043]

It's a Southern thing:)

[@evankern5219]

I love this man. Shuts down his Patreon after 1M KZbin subs because he’s “reached his goal”. Kayla’s a lucky woman to be with someone so humble and kind ☺️

[@slowloris2894]

EVERYONE who is successful should do that with their patreon. A patreon is there to pay someones "salary." If you are now definately a millionaire like Wendigoon, you should stop taking the charity of less well off people. Life isn't about endlessly generating wealth. It feels like that only because most of the country isn't paid a living wage.

[@dxshawn532]

@@slowloris2894 Yet there are people arguing in this comment section that wealthy people asking the less fortunate for money is fine.

[@WardofSquid]

He's a man who *lives his Faith* . Such a great example he is, man🙏

[@basedboi3956]

@@slowloris2894 I very strongly doubt he’s a millionaire already considering he’s only had his channel for about a year and only recently hit 1M subscribers. At this rate he’ll get there eventually though!

[@faceless-man2851]

He couldent get paid well for his content so ppl helped hım Now that he can earn his own He wont Take the monehy of his wachers İ think thats very nice of someone to do 👍

[@_Jay_Maker_]

The interactions between each victim sound a _lot_ like physiological responses to V-type nerve agents, to me. The choking, the spasming, the vomiting - something that can be interpreted as blood but might just be simple emesis - the overproduction of tears to the point of burst capillaries, on top of the speed in which the symptoms manifested - it sounds a _lot_ like VX, or V-derived nerve agents. It might even be something custom that was released in the area, leaked from a hidden storage, or absorbed into the local ecosystem. It seems the most likely to me, given the area's history as a military dark zone. It's fucked up no matter what it was.

[@Michael-ex8lk]

And these are weapons that they planned to use in the event of a war with NATO. God help humanity.

[@DeadManSinging1]

I agree. Probably the same thing that happened to Dytlov's group

[@gael44444]

​@@HorribleProgram-ew6eiwhat??? How does that have anything to do with this

[@slayerr3086]

@@gael44444It’s a joke mate

[@POTUSJimmyCarter]

Thanks to some funny grant money budgeting, I received DoD-sponsored CBRN response training back when I was a paramedic. I immediately said "that sounds like a nerve agent to me."

[@Broogli]

2 videos in 2 days… truly love to see it

[@Broogli]

@what now no one cares

[@Dodger3262]

@@Broogli ong

[@satanzbarz6111]

@what now i'm going to miss it

[@Violet-rv1fv]

I know righttt I was pleasantly surpriseD

[@dafire9634]

Hey its the backrooms guy

[@isstinna]

I am Russian and unfortunatelly Novichok is in the news a lot. So as soon as you started telling Valentina's story I was 'oh so it's Novichok'

[@Pushing_Pixels]

Do other people come into contact with it through old contaminated areas?

[@SkinnyVampiress]

@@Pushing_Pixels There was no such reports, but who knows.. About a year ago or so, after the scandal with leader of the opposition poisoning by novichok, there was a strange incident where a lot of fish and sea creatures died in the ocean... There is a river flows into the ocean, and up that river is a military base, and I think they just decided to get rid of this poison and dumped everything to the river, typical :)

[@user-mc5uc5sv3b]

@@Pushing_Pixels i don't know if it's still relevant for you but in recent years there have been at least 2 very big cases of Novichok poisoning that I remember: Yulia and Sergei Skripal in 2018 and Alexei Navalny in 2020.

[@zephy936]

has this happened before?

[@agustinquiroga9541]

I guess I should remove rural areas of Russia from my list of tourist destinations.

[@sebasnunezcortes2975]

So, the girl that survived said that one of the girls that died bashed her head until she had killed herself, but the police and all never even mentioned some kind of head trauma?

[@glorytotheaprdeathtotheufl7917]

The bodies were in pretty advanced states of decay. I think the whole head bashing thing is somewhat overblown. The likely thing that happened was that, the person was hitting her head on a stone from twitching not actively trying to kill herself l.

[@RightAsRainCreations]

@@glorytotheaprdeathtotheufl7917 i get that but decomposition doesn't typically damage your skeletal structure, if she had bashed her head into a rock to the point of unconciousness/death it is almost certain she would have suffered serious skull abrasions if not outright fractures.

[@EskimoPagan]

@@glorytotheaprdeathtotheufl7917 maybe she was just trying to end her misery a little bit faster

[@itspice8737]

This is Russia we’re talking about, deep analysis isn’t exactly their thing.

[@edgynuke5007]

@@itspice8737 *obligatory anti Russian comment because of current events

[@samk7777]

My guess would’ve been nerve gas. Im an emt and in the military and have been over scenarios almost exactly like this. The rain can carry the gas or even be the chemical agent. Then after everyone’s been affected by the nerve agent, their parasympathetic systems go haywire. This leads to the bleeding, frothing from the mouth, convulsions, and then dropping one by one.

[@evansecencefan1435]

Would it be possible for the rain to carry something over that would be absorbed/left on the foraged goods that tge group later ate? Seems like a possibility, since the sole survivor had eaten mostly/only her prepped rations.

[@m-sama2140]

@@evansecencefan1435problem with any type of food poisoning related theory is that all the hikers would process the food at different rates so they wouldn’t all drop all at once.

[@KordellCaldwell]

This man really has a gift for compelling and detailed storytelling. All of these true crime episodes are riveting

[@ysucae]

what you were talking about in hypothermia is called paradoxical undressing. it's the final stages when people get delirious and feel they are too hot but it's the exact opposite happening. it's still survivable if you can somehow prevent an afflicted person from undressing and getting them immediate help and heat. here in canada it's not uncommon to hear about a lone person being found half naked in a snow bank in the cold months, dead, or nearly there. but imo it's not what has happened here. you just don't get people doing that all at the same time - you'd have people being closer together to gather more heat, preventing the others undressing and adressing the situation head on?... you can't just get to that point, while hiking, being sober, in an experienced group, around/above freezing temp, while having fresh dry clothes prepared and shelter avaiable, of having many people experience paradoxical undressing all at the same time?... your temperature would not dip fast enough for a whole group to experience that before they can prevent it. idk if i'm making sense but yeah. it just doesn't happen like that. in the dyatlov incident they were all isolated from each other, taken by surprise and exposed to the elements... anyway, paradoxical undressing.

[@isaacnostylist]

Underrated comment

[@terrabachi]

Wow thats terrible

[@aoki6332]

that like the story of this kid who was stuck in a chimney they found him undressed dont remember he's name though a lot of person think that he was put there while the cops say he fell in there be accident and die from hypothermia after days stuck in there its quite sad and terrifying

[@ree2453]

It was a nerve agent. Toxic gas.

[@NikkiBudders]

@@aoki6332 Dying of the elements while starving to death trapped in small spaces? New phobia unlocked.

[@darkjaden-fe]

Honestly your theory about the nerve gas makes the most sense to me. I do have a tendency to believe survivors of trauma no matter how outlandish their claims may be, at least to the extent that I believe they believe what they're saying, but the fact that the nerve gas theory fits so well with her descriptions of what happened, I think it just makes the most sense.

[@morkusmorkus6040]

It was 100% hypothermia. Story and symptoms match perfectly. Severe hypothermia = hallucinations, paradoxical undressing, and heart stoppage. There's no mystery here.

[@Elle...]

@@morkusmorkus6040 hypothermia doesn’t make your eyes bleed and your mouth foam

[@kuroganeyuuji6464]

@@Elle... nor the campfire they used, or all the deaths being in a short time frame and close by one another, or a survivor with similar equipment being completely fine.

[@Elle...]

@@kuroganeyuuji6464 yeah I don’t have the energy to include all that in a first reply. That’s saved for like the follow up one when they still think they’re right or smth

[@davidl2739]

​​@@Elle... this person commented multiple times below others, tryna blame it on hypothermia, despite the video and common sense disproving it. Kinda weird they're so on about it

[@MCYoshii]

Honestly, I think it was the novichok poisoning theory. The military must've not decontaminated the area and then the bashing of the head by one of the hikers may have beem some effort to try and end the pain or feeling or a last ditch effort to try and kickstart her lungs or whatever, the bleeding makes sense as far as novichok poisoning goes. Im very subscribed to the novichok theory

[@markjackson3531]

"kickstart her lungs" by bashing her head against a rock....you should share your genius theory with doctors so they can help people with advanced lung disease! lol sorry i couldnt resist, just joking buddy

[@markjackson3531]

id like to seea music video of "kickstart my lungs" with a girl bashing her face into a rock (to the music of "kickstart my heart", that rock song).

[@sandstrat7619]

@@markjackson3531you made the same joke twice

[@markjackson3531]

@@sandstrat7619 those are two completely different jokes you idiot

[@blank.e5plus]

@@markjackson3531 i think you misunderstood something, its not the logical thing to do. but that person was NOT acting logically

[@theboi5584]

Wendigoon has already become one of my favorite KZbinrs. He works so hard to put out such high quality content, and all the topics he covers are fascinating as well. Great Work 😊

[@milfandcookies908]

for real, he’s so dedicated to his videos and content and does stuff other creators never would. the dementia experiment is like such a good example of this 😭😭

[@ascrub8527]

^^^

[@littleleakyleakythere]

I always appreciate how much respect he gives to the victims of these things, espcially in cult or murder cases.

[@silverfire1248]

The food poisoning theory is fascinating to me- specifically that she accidentally mistook a poisonous mushroom for an edible one. There’s a specific mushroom, I’m blanking on the name, that can kill some people, and cause others to hallucinate- with a common hallucination being bleeding from the eyes. Honestly I think as fun as the nerve gas theory is, it may not be as likely as an accidental mushroom poisoning. Also big projects? Are we finally getting the long awaited GIANTS video?!

[@linasayshush]

Yes, and also even experienced foragers make mistakes. I think the food poisoning theory is as plausible as the nerve gas one. The shoddy police work could be just that.

[@andyglobe8179]

It’s fascinating that there can even be common hallucination symptoms

[@deg1studios]

@@andyglobe8179 I think that might be bullshit. I've hallucinated a lot. Yes, my hallucinations did differ depending on what caused it. For example, shrooms excelled at making the colors more extreme, acid made more pattern illusions, while sleep deprivation hallucinations kept most of its shenanigans in the corner of my eye and was mostly auditory. This may be because these drugs/conditions impact different parts of the brain in different ways. Or it may have more to do with my personality and state of mind at the time of these hallucinations. But I don't see how a chemical can have the tendency to show you bleeding eyes. Its too specific. When it comes down to the specifics of hallucinations, its usually different for everyone. I would agree that this mushroom might target your amygdala or something, and cause you to see stuff that makes you scared (can't research it since no one seems to know what it is called) but whatever scary images that you subsequentially see depends on your personal fears, insecurities, and experiences and/or the things that are happening around you

[@Flint-Dibble-the-Don]

@@deg1studios I agree mostly. Just had to throw the( mechanical elves from D.M.T. intoxication) wrench into the argument for funsies though, sorry.

[@deg1studios]

@@Flint-Dibble-the-Don that is a good point. my thinking is that that is because DMT users are usually part of that community and so are mentally prepared, and therefore possibly inclined, to see the same things they have heard others see. but someone who accidentally eats a rare mushroom that isn't exactly common knowledge, and didn't even know they were tripping, wouldn't be affected by this. but yes, people having similar hallucinations during DMT trips is a very interesting topic. perhaps there is something more to it.

[@ryandoubleu.]

I like how the evidence of her being too hard on them is that she brought groups back who couldn’t handle the hike. So this time she didn’t bring the group back and instead forced marched and starved them to death….

[@TheNSJaws]

I fail to see how this is a 'gotcha'/counterpoint of some sort. If you constantly have to bring your groups back halfway through the trip, it shows that you're constantly over-valuing their expertise level. If this is a constant occurrence, there's a solid chance you might be cross with them for not being able to rise to your standard. Her being soft on them might as well mean that she'd constantly pick the easiest route possible - One she wouldn't need to cancel halfway through. Consider her purported level of expertise as well. A survival expert would know not to overstay their welcome if their chances are slim, and tap out of the trip, because alternative is very possibly death. So a survival expert that constantly babies their entourage would likely not pick a dangerous route from which they may need to cancel/return from early, they'd pick an extremely easy one that's virtually safe and easily completed.

[@Elle...]

@@TheNSJaws but if you’re bringing them back, then you’re not “making” them push themselves until they break. If she was truly being too hard on them, there would’ve been far more injuries far sooner.

[@TheNSJaws]

@@Elle... ??? She tells them to bite off more than they can chew, and then has to perform life saving maneuvers. It's literally not that hard, how is this so lost on you people lmao Plus, she may not be completely braindead lol? Like, if she was just pushing them over the limit, she knows that once they become injured they're an even biger liability -- One that she won't be able to handle. You don't have to be 3000iq genius to know this.

[@Elle...]

@@TheNSJaws what I’m saying is: if she was constantly pushing people, then why would the first time anyone got hurt be the same trip that killed her entire group AND herself? Why would they all die at the same time? Why would one person get out physically unscathed and say the trip was normal? A student doesn’t learn if the teacher never puts them in new scenarios, so of course there were people who couldn’t handle it, that’s life. They weren’t signing up for some camping trip, it was a serious trek that she took her groups on, and it’s not her fault if they overestimated what they could handle. She didn’t force them to do the trips, they signed up themselves, her job is to make sure they aren’t getting hurt and that’s what she did by taking them back.

[@TheNSJaws]

@@Elle... For all the aforementioned reasons. The more dead weight there is, the more likely you are to die. There's a difference between being put in a new situation, and being pushed into the pool before you even know how to swim. The student who did get out physically unscathed separated herself from the group, and her account of what happened was so improbable, and came so late, that nothing could be done to confirm or deny her story. The fact that they were signing up for a serious trip doesn't help your case, it helps my case, as harder the trip is, the more likely it is to have deadly results. Lastly, if she constantly has to take people who sign up for her trips back, then the trips are obviously too difficult for the level of people who're signing up for them. If this is a constant pattern, meaning that the person organizing the trip is unable to recognize that such a level of difficulty is beyond the level of skill that she requires them to have, then this once again aids my argument and not yours.

[@NewNewColt]

Is it possible for a mushroom or plant to absorb a certain level of toxins from the nerve agents that had been dumped previously? Making a normally edible plant extremely toxic. As others have pointed out if the survivor was a pickier eater than the rest and only ate what she brought it would have saved her in this circumstance while dooming the rest.

[@dark2023-1lovesoni]

Absolutely, many plants can integrate toxins into themselves after exposure. Dyed roses are a relatively mild example of this effect, where colored dye is added to the water or injected into the stem of a growing white/light colored rose, the petals then become that color after a while. If the poison isn't directly toxic to the plant, but also unusable by it, then it will often just be stored away (often in parts that will be discarded later, like flower pedals or leaves). Depends on how much and how recent, but YES, that is absolutely something that can, and does, happen. Good theory.

[@NewNewColt]

@@dark2023-1lovesoni Interesting thanks for the info.

[@dark2023-1lovesoni]

@orcasarentwhales8025 depends if the toxin requires first-pass metabolism through the liver/kidneys to be active (like traditional oral medications for example). But many poisions, including nerve agents, can bypass that so their effects are often much more rapid. Basically anything that can be absorbed directly into the gums, cheeks, throat, skin, etc... will take effect/kill in a matter of minutes instead of needing the usual 30-45 minutes necessary for normal digestion. Think of something like ibuprofen (which requires first-pass metabolism) vs a chemical like DMSO (Dimethylsulfoxide) which can be absorbed through the skin and produces a strong garlic-esque flavor in the mouth about 10 seconds after just touching it with you hands. That's a rather extreme example, but it's the same phenomenon.

[@dark2023-1lovesoni]

@orcasarentwhales8025 it's pretty easy to find online. Just read up on it and be careful. Also, please be aware that there are a number of alternative-healing scams that claim it's a miracle cure for everything including cancer. This isn't true, it just has a strong/noticeable effect with the taste thing, so it's easier to encourage a placebo reaction. Basically, that's just a "well I can definitely tell it's doing SOMEthing" sort of thought process.

[@andrepalomaro353]

Theoretically. Fungi have been known to incorporate artificial chemicals into the heir organic structure forming new compounds spontaneously without genetic adaptation. People have noted this mainly with psychedelics, but I don’t see why a nerve agent wouldn’t work too

[@shortjohnson7804]

Absolutely has to be some sort of Nerve Agent. From the small research I did, nerve agents can account for every symptom in this case including the hypothermia.

[@MinatheRaichu]

@keep rollin this is how you get reported for spam.

[@jerm2332]

Only thing is that it doesn’t account for bleeding eyes though, and that’s seemingly one of the bigger symptoms. Though it is quite damn close Edit: Now I’m confused, because Wendi mentioned that it covered the bleeding of the eyes, but everything I’ve read so far mentions nothing with bleeding, just excess tear/mucus/saliva production. I don’t feckin know dood

[@shortjohnson7804]

@@jerm2332 What I was thinking was that the bleeding of the eyes and mouth are being caused by different things. The mouth bleeding is being caused by the damage to the lungs. The eye bleeding could be caused by chemical damage of the eye itself.

[@LunaTulpa]

@@MinatheRaichu doubt bots care about that m80

[@AldenEmroch]

@@jerm2332 yes but these guys died inmediately which means the amount of exposure was probably way higher than usual, the symptoms of regular exposure and exposure to a large amount are very different bc there's respiratory failure and I'm sure a lot of other awful stuff that happens to the body so bleeding like that is probably possible

[@CompetitivelyCasual]

this is right out of a horror movie. A group of hikers in the Siberian wilderness, having a perfectly normal time until some storm comes,and then most of the group starts acting incredibly strange and drops like flies, leaving one lone Survivor traumatized and haunted for decades.

[@beepbop1762]

Cooking Companions

[@sebastercats6123]

Hearing Valentina's story at first made it feel like it's supernatural and creepy, which I don't usually believe. but after the most possible theory, the fear went off. Since it's in Siberia, old Russian weapons tests, late investigation and all that made it all the more suspicious and a very convincing explanation.

[@morkusmorkus6040]

Not really.

[@killingookie4567]

Late investigation shouldn't be suspicious. It's russia in the 90s, the level of organization was near 0 at that time there. Moreover, its siberian mountains which are quite a desolate place. And than climbing that high up to test this kind of weapon sounds weird to me.

[@mathildewesendonck7225]

@@killingookie4567in a Russian chat, one guy wrote that he was a helicopter pilot at that time, and that he was told to dump chemicals from abandoned military facilities into the wilderness. That could have been nerve gas or some ingredients

[@alasdairblackmore2592]

I once saw a video from a helicopter pilot who was taking sheep hunters to a camp in the mountains of Alaska ... as he flew over the crest of a mountain something odd caught his eye, so he circled back to take a closer look ... below him, on the mountain side, lay the corpses of several Caribou ... a couple of Moose ... and about 15 Bears [including cubs] ! Most were in a severe decomp state, except for about 4 of the bears who looked like they had only recently passed ! His video sparked the interest of someone from a university who went to the site and discovered a river of poisonous gas flowing down the mountain. There are actually several sites in Siberia that have "Do not Enter" ... "Danger of Death" ... "Enter at your own risk" ... signs posted by the local government officials ... of course, they're all written in Russian so unless you can read Russian you won't be aware of what the danger is.

[@americankid7782]

Alaska? I thought our main chemical/Bio weapons labs were in the DC area. Do we know what the origin of the poison in Alaska is?

[@Badficwriter]

@@americankid7782 I can't find the incident in Alaska. Most similar are continental US wildlands near volcanoes. Mammoth Mountain in California has deadly volcanic gases extreme carbon dioxide poisoning large areas called treekills. It is considered potentially subject to the explosive gases similar to the gas explosion from the African lake that killed a whole village. Death Gulch in Yellowstone had a scene similar to described: piles of dead bears and bison. The volcanic gases hydrogen sulfide and carbon dioxide wiped them out rapidly. The heavy gases tend to settle at the bottom of the ravine on still days, concentrating them to near instant lethality.

[@americankid7782]

@@Badficwriter aah that makes much more sense

[@S0ULEKS]

Thank you for talking about nerve gas, I remember hearing the CBRN instructors talking about nerve agents way back in basic training and the description of the bleeding and clawing at the throat and ESPECIALLY that the other hikers immediately started experiencing the same reaction as soon as they rushed over near the first one. My mind shot straight to some sort of chemical weapon. You even spelled it all out saving me the ranty comment. It is a weird case but it makes too much sense to dismiss.

[@DancerVeiled]

Glad you mentioned nerve agents. As I was hearing the described symptoms and the rapid onset of those who tried to help them (who'd need to touch them), I imagined he might've found a discarded (undetonated submunition?) nerve gas carrying object and perhaps cracked it open picking it up? There's really nothing else I think of, given my background in biology, that could induce those symptoms that acutely with such rapid onset, but those things are nasty, and specifically designed to do just that. Attempting to remove your clothes to get it off of you, or to make breathing easier as your muscles start to seize, would make sense as well.

[@morkusmorkus6040]

Cool story, but this was 100% hypothermia. Story and symptoms match perfectly. Severe hypothermia = hallucinations, paradoxical undressing, and heart stoppage. There's no mystery here.

[@DancerVeiled]

Doesn't explain the choking and bleeding.

[@alrightythen5655]

@@DancerVeiled yeah but we don't know all effects of novichok agents yet so who knows

[@Markustempest]

@@morkusmorkus6040 it makes almost no sense for an entire group of people with different levels of fitness, body fat, and clothing to all die of hypothermia at the same time. Even in more extreme locations like mountaineering, hypothermia deaths in groups are generally spread out.

[@Jimbo_Fett]

@@morkusmorkus6040 hypothermia makes you bleed from your eyes and causes such severe pain your try to smash your own skull open, oh and anyone that touches you also begins bleeding. why did so many governments begin developing nerve agents when they could just rely on good ol contagious deadly, rapidly onset hypothermia

[@ribunny123]

I'd like to correct the idea that she couldn't of fed her friends bad mushrooms. My biology teacher knew a mycologist (a scientist with an expertise in fungi and mushrooms) who almost killed his son with a bad mushroom he fed him. This is someone who studied them intensively as his career and he still almost messed up bad when he got a bit too lenient, there really just are some mushrooms that are way too similar to each other to risk even if you're super experienced. It only takes one little overlooked detail.

[@nihili4196]

This. I'm not a mycologist, but as someone who likes to gather shrooms out of hobby, sometimes it's really hard to differenciate safe mushrooms from poisonus ones. There are species that you can differenciate only by pressing them in right places and waiting for reaction, and hell, there are species that might be poisonus or not depending on whey they grow. So it's not that hard to get mistaken. That being said, I can't really think of any mushrooms I know that would have those symptoms, or even anything close to it.

[@gearguts7259]

its become a meme at this point within biology-heavy circles to put two pictures or draws of the exact same mushroom and say "THIS ONES LETAL BUT THIS ONES EDIBLE", because some shrooms literally look extremely, incredibly similar to others, and it gets worse when they grow in the same area.

[@dark2023-1lovesoni]

Not only that, but there are, to this day, more varieties of fungus that haven't been effectively tested/studied than those that have been. There are plenty of dangerous fungi that we just dont even know anything about. However, most cases of mycogists hurting themselves or their families are usually the result of allergic reactions which were either previously unknown or in people who didn't have a reaction from prior exposures. For most mycologist, safe selection is less about avoiding dangerous fungi, and more about only selecting the known/proven "safe" fungi.

[@dark2023-1lovesoni]

@nihili4196 there are multiple fungi and mushrooms that have a known anticoagulant effect (which means it makes it hard to stop bleeding and in higher doses will cause internal bleeding, Warfarin/Heparin is a good example of this effect (used to prevent blood clots and stokes but also as rat/pest poison)). The Devil's Tooth, Judas Ear, and Fringed Earthstar are all good examples and I'm certain there are many more undiscovered fungi that can do that too. Which could absolutely cause the bleeding effects described in the story.

[@mayamarie3367]

Something that came to mind that could be a cause of death for the group was H2S gas. It is in pockets underground and with the severity of the storm knocking over trees, the wind could have uprooted a tree and carried gas to the group. My roommates worked in Natural Gas for a while and I remember them telling me about how lethal H2S is.

[@Badficwriter]

Animals have died rapidly in groups when exposed to H2S but that was at the bottom of ravines where it can be nearly instantly lethal. Its a heavy gas and concentrates on still days. If there was a pocket above, perhaps walled off by snow that broke? No human interaction needed there, its volcanic and seeps out from cracks in the ground. But it doesn't match the symptoms and is readily identified by sulfuric smell.

[@flyingninja1234]

From Valentina’s account, to me it sounds like Aconite, or Monk’s Hood poisoning. It’s neurotoxic. They may have eaten it by mistake & poisoned themselves. By that logic, the nerve agent theory is also plausible.

[@matthewr1207]

but how did a seasoned gatherer mess up? Wouldn't she have tasted it first and died first? Also, how did Valentina get so lucky as to not eat the wolfsbane?

[@WinterSoldier7207]

Building off of the other guy's response, this would only make sense if the leader wasn't experienced enough in foraging to recognize a very well-known and distinct poisonous plant. it is true that mere contact with the skin could deliver a fatal dose, but that doesn't make sense when you consider that late summer and early fall is when Aconitum Fischeri, the species native to Siberia, would be in bloom, and thus especially distinct as a plant to be wary of. In the off chance that it wasn't in August for whatever reason, this should be a plant that the leader should have been aware and respectful of, and would have no reason to not also make her group aware and respectful of. I do doubt that Aconite would even be that far up the mountain on top of this, considering that if this area they're hiking in gets to 30˚F in August, one of the hottest times of the year, then that would be about ten degrees below the temperature aconite would lay dormant in, because its average growing temperature is 50˚F-60˚F. Edit: I forgot that I also copypasta'd the symptoms for Aconite poisoning, which are not consistent with Valentina's story: "The severity of aconitine poisoning is related to the rapid onset of life-threatening heart rhythm changes. Other symptoms can include numbness and tingling, slow or fast heart rate, and gastrointestinal manifestations such as nausea, vomiting, abdominal pain, and diarrhea. Respiratory paralysis and heart rhythm abnormalities can lead to death."

[@hurstiwursti]

@@matthewr1207 everyone messes up once in a while. Even the most experienced snake handler can get bitten and die. The best biologist can falsly identify wild plants etc. Human error is always an important factor

[@catherine_404]

Aconite/wolfsbane is such an obvious plant, anyone who forages would know it. It's a popular garden flower in Russia, everyone knows it's severely poisonous (I'm Russian, from around Moscow). Ranunculus family plants are (almost?) all toxic, they are quite distinct. Some wolfsbanes do grow in different regions of Siberia, that's true though. But mistaking it for something edible? Frankly, that's less likely than Russian government messing up. However, even if I somehow agree that an experienced forager would poison everyone, including herself, I really, really doubt it's even possible to kill a group of people so fast, so close in time, so precisely. Idk, I'm certain it's a poison as well, but it's such a bizarre case. I don't know enough, but it is highly unlikely for a food poision to act simultaneously in such synchrony, within minutes of each other, but not immediately after it was tasken. I thought of mushrooms bc they are easier to mistake than plants. But after hearing the poisonous gas version, knowing my horrible government, I'm more inclined to agree with that theory.

[@samueltitone5683]

@@bubble.333 Honestly, this is my problem with a lot of conspiracy theories in general. So many times it seems that the evidence hinges “but they were an expert!!!” As if it’s impossible for an expert to ever make a single mistake.

[@onionsoup3570]

This story, everytime I hear about it, never fails to feed my fear of mountains and hiking. Valentina's story will always haunt me and I cannot imagine the horrors she must have faced.

[@Apodeipnon]

Since the cause of the disaster is undetermined, I doubt that the mountains had much to do with it

[@thepinkestpigglet7529]

"She would regularly end group hikes early because they group couldn't take the intensity of the trip" so what they were saying but ignoring was that it couldn't have been her fault because she would have ended the hike well before anyone could have died?

[@williamjenkins4913]

It must be her fault! Look how responsible she is!

[@hughcaldwell1034]

This observation of evidence pointing in completely the other direction is very Sherlock Holmes. Specifically the Boscombe Valley Mystery, if I remember rightly.

[@anglepsycho]

She probably couldn't really turn back during the massive rain storms.

[@DEATH-THE-GOAT]

When you described the symptoms I directly thought of nerve gas. The girl who survived might have an anxiety condition and took Valium for it. Bensodiazepins can be used as an premedication or prevention from nerve gas poisening. But the video isn't over yet(i) _edit_ So it was nerve gas. The military thought it would evapourate during the hot summer month but it could have been an unusually cold summer or some of the toxins was "trapped" on the north side and been constantly shadowed the whole time. Note To use a low evapourating chemical war agent is so stupid I cant Imagine why they produced it.

[@demonslayereren3970]

Hinamizawa, Higurashi

[@americankid7782]

My guess for them having a low evaporation Chemical Agent was them testing to see the evaporation levels of whatever material it was. They just probably didn’t foresee the mix of Precipitation, and temperatures possibly even extending the lifetime of the chemical.

[@DEATH-THE-GOAT]

@@americankid7782 makes sense

[@greencanner4284]

Persistent CW agents are used for area denial, similar to a minefield. Think agents like VX, which are a liquid normally.

[@2buxaslice]

This sounds exactly like the village in Africa that died overnight because of a gas trapped under a lake that was released from a light rain storm. There was a truck with like 12 people where two of them were on the roof of the truck and watched as one by one the ten other people exited the truck and then began choking and dying right in front of them. The gas stayed low to the ground because it was heavier than oxygen so just being a few feet higher by staying on top of the truck, the two men were able to survive. I think Nick Crowley did a video on that too.

[@dreamlesssleepart]

I remember learning about that in a natural disasters class I took at uni my freshman year! Now they have like a pump/filter thing to remove the gas from the lake that would inevitably refill with it since it came from fissures in the crust

[@davidbrady2225]

I'm beyond creeped out rn, last night & I had a dream that some gas was killing everyone at ground level and the only way you could survive is by getting to a higher altitude, now I see this video & think "hey that looks interesting!" Only to see this comment ; __ ;

[@Eroxi3]

So excited that you're covering this. Fascinating story.

[@Special_Tactics_Force_Unit]

Not really. it's obvious the "survivor" killed them, intentionally or otherwise. But nobody NOBODY just bashes their head against a rock repeatedly with all their friends watching and just letting her do it.

[@Press-Star-ToPlay]

@@Special_Tactics_Force_Unit how and why? That makes less sense than the yeti theory

[@akatsukifangirl8894]

@@Special_Tactics_Force_Unit they were most likely too shocked and were trying to process what was going on at that moment, not everyone can quick think or immediately jump into action. Even when Valentina made an attempt to help her, she got bitten as a result. You can’t really blame them for having a natural reaction and her friend essentially saving Valentina’s life.

[@rookieprayerwarrior]

you're the goat bro been here since like 200k keep up the grind!

[@stoogie.]

that's like 3 months ago

[@Dave11078]

@@ambewbarrett6320 wait what?

[@TheJegame]

@@stoogie. it's fu****** crazy how fast this guy is growing

[@Oops-All-Berries]

I've been with the goon since 20k

[@rookieprayerwarrior]

@@stoogie. exactly bro he's going crazy 😂

[@deacongandy893]

This has always been one of the single most horrifying cases I have ever heard. Something about dropping dead from something you cannot see or control is terrifying

[@augustgreig9420]

Check out missing 411. Tons of crazy stories like this, only way more people never found or found a year later in a spot that had been searched dozens of times. The one where the FBI and special forces show up out of nowhere for a lost child in the woods is extremely weird. Edit: Oh! That's another big one in all these cases. Missing shoes. Very weird.

[@khaorix2667]

He's mentioned it, I think in the Conspiracy Theory Iceberg or the True Crime Iceberg, and said he was going to talk about it more. Get hyped.

[@cryamistellimek9184]

A bunch of people never being found in the woods isn’t surprising. 411 is just a bunch of loosely connected points in a rambling conspiracy.

[@L.CROSS0]

@@cryamistellimek9184 sounds like it would make a great video lol

[@phaedruslive]

While we can all agree some kind of chemical agent is the most likely cause. You can't help but think the whole thing comes off as a cosmic horror-y sort of story. Drifting a little too close to something that doesn't want to be found.

[@Mr_Rabbit]

@@cryamistellimek9184 people go missing in woods. 2% of them are never found and people jump to conclusion it must be a conspiracy.. However saying that... some of the missing 411 stories are *weird*

[@jo1681]

I haven’t finished but hearing Valentina’s account is so traumatic no wonder it took so long for her to say something

[@carktheshark]

Especially with her being hounded by the media for so long

[@RobNewcomer]

I think the herbal harvesting thread deserves more consideration. They could have inadvertently harvested poison hemlock or some such deadly herb, especially if they were digging for roots as root systems of different plants can become entangled underground. It's always important to search the surrounding area before you harvest a stand of herbs to ensure there are no poisonous look alikes nearby. Even someone knowledgeable of herbs could make this deadly mistake. Conceivably, Ludmila could have shown the group a particular plant and set them to the task of collecting it individually. One of them could have collected the poisonous herb which they all could have consumed in a tea, perhaps to stave off the cold, rainy night. This could also explain how they all had deadly reactions at the same time. The sole survivor being the one who did not partake in the tea or didn't drink enough to poison herself.

[@FaithRox]

Doesnt work. Ludmilla was a very experienced forager, the flower that they did forage was within all their backpacks and didn't contain any poisonous materials, they had not actually consumed that plant and valentina's account shows that they couldnt start the fire until the morning, so there was no making a tea to stave off the cold in the night.

[@demoncet1998]

Not likely at all, they all died way too fast. Things like that are metabolized a way different rates person to person. If it had been over several hours i could see that being likely but not in a matter of minutes. As some other people have mentioned, it's entirely possible that a plant or plants they foraged could have picked up a nerve agent and, it not being dangerous or useful to the plant, stored it away in something like leaves or petals. But either way the symptoms describe match way too closely to nerve agent symptoms to realistically be anything else.

[@anthonyseverino8292]

I remember somewhere saying that Valentina did not always eat the same things that the group did, or that she ate less of what the group did. Which made me think it was food poisoning; assuming that one of the members of the group made a mistake when foraging and Valentina just so happened not to eat it as much or at all like the rest of the group.

[@richardbug3094]

Nope it was 100% Soviet gas attack

[@ilostmyds1878]

@@richardbug3094 the Soviet Union collapsed a few years after this, are you sure that they were even in a position where they could use such weapons?

[@talaeyn8326]

@@richardbug3094 Honestly, why not both? They mentioned the one liked to forage a lot, and that the gases could remain low to the ground for quite a long time. She had possibly not eaten, or eaten vastly less of those flowers that were picked and possibly gotten lucky to not eat one that had some trace amounts of the gas on it.

[@lllxlxlll]

@@richardbug3094 Oh Richard Bug was 100% there

[@morkusmorkus6040]

No. It was 100% hypothermia. Story and symptoms match perfectly. Severe hypothermia = hallucinations, paradoxical undressing, and heart stoppage. There's no mystery here.

[@raneyjacob1492]

I know this probably won’t be seen, but I think it would be cool if he did a video about the weird and wacky stuff in the book of revaluation and just talk about the end of the world in the Bible.

[@miserylovesyou7540]

iirc the guy who wrote the book of revelations wrote it while marooned on an abandoned island, dehydrated, malnourished and delirious. which would explain why no one has ever been able to completely "decipher" revelations--its barely coherent babble from someone who was hallucinating.

[@loquatmuncher]

Yes!! I really hope he sees this comment.

[@MilaWht]

There's a similar video already made kzbin.info/www/bejne/iYHZe2CDYs2Ia9k It's pretty interesting and we'll made too

[@raneyjacob1492]

@@MilaWht I’ve seen that video Before, and it is a very good video. I actually decided to read a little bit of the book of revaluation after watching it because I thought the idea of Armageddon and the details of the visions where really cool

[@XScythexXx]

This is one of the few creepy old stories i haven't heard yet, but during the retelling of Valentina's testimony my first guess was bio weapons

[@Suspisousrevenue]

The yeti obviously mixed the nerve gas so they could eat the hikers

[@damenbaxter8890]

Man months ago I found wendigoon for the first time and he had like 300k subs and already has passed 1mil this dude blew up so quick I don’t think I’ve seen anyone get so many subs so fast it’s awesome to see cause he makes great content and deserves it, thanks wendigoon keep up the great work I’ll always be watching 👌🏻

[@syncaudio2758]

Yea bro, same

[@SMA2343]

He’s about to get a few more subs. Saltydkdan made an iceberg playlist and pretty much put all of Dad’s videos on it

[@maxmajcher5115]

As an ADHD Gremlin, you're videos are one of the few things that are able to hold not only my interest, but also my attention. Thank you for the wonderful content as always

[@axeljm1976]

I know right it really does

[@funnelingspace9268]

Same but I'm Christian and I like the religous side of him so I definitely stay for those too

[@myaaasworld4]

right! his pacing & the way he explains the story keeps my attention so well

[@2moreminutes]

@@funnelingspace9268 Not even set in any faith and I watch his Sunday School type videos as well. He's so refreshing and welcoming.

[@funnelingspace9268]

@@2moreminutes very true

[@GelBijou]

I agree that it's probably gas, but I think it might be more like the lake Nyos Disaster where a natural gas pocket opened up and killed people. I don't necessarily think it was the military. Terrifying to think you could be out hiking with your significant other and both die at random because gas.

[@Dog.This_Identifier_Is_Shit.]

Are there natural gas pockets like those in southern Siberia thought?

[@GelBijou]

@@Dog.This_Identifier_Is_Shit. IDK. I'm not the geological survey, bro.

[@janermaher]

@@Dog.This_Identifier_Is_Shit. Russia as a whole is a motherload of natural gas and allegedly, the area some 200ish km north is a major gas field. So quite likely.

[@sebastijanglozinic8630]

Natural gas shares the same problem as the Novichok theory. If it was some kind of gas, why would Valentina not be effected by it?

[@Badficwriter]

@@sebastijanglozinic8630 Someone suggested she was taking antidepressants like Valium. Bensodiazepines can be used to treat nerve agents. It would inoculate someone to exposure.

[@y0lefted]

It just doesn’t add up how one person survived so easily despite being close enough to the others that one of them even bit her. Seems very unlikely that a nerve agent would just miss one person. I feel ingestion of some dodgy substances makes more sense because of this

[@enoing_1107]

I know this is an old thread, but I'd thought I'd put my two cents in. Chemical weapons and nerve agents are finicky. Make them wrong, spread it in the wrong area, or have too many environmental factors such as wind can really take down the lethality. Take the Japanese metro sarin gas attack. Perfect scenario tight enclosed space with thousands of people, that only ends up killing less than 20 people I will say though the sarin that aum shinrikyo used was a subpar mixture and the Russian nerve agent would be at least made correctly, your still taking about a wind swept mountain, with rain and elevation changes, probably the worst place for a nerve agent to be effective.

[@marshalljackson3868]

I found Wedigoon because of his Mystery Flesh Pit video and ever since then he has become my favorite KZbinr. absolutely love his content keep it coming!

[@Truthisscarierthanfiction]

19:45 The "Yeti" of the Khamar Daban area is known as the "Alma" in Mongolian folklore, Yetis are located more southward. In fact there was a Russian expedition to search for the Alma only a year before this incident

[@jimc.goodfellas]

Anything having to do with Siberia has always been so interesting to me ..so hard ri wrap your mind around the sheer size of Siberia

[@DiMagnolia]

Same, it’s so crazy to think about!

[@BX138]

I'm really liking the rain and snow activating the latent nerve agent on the plants in the area theory . That would explain the symptoms, and why the three other hiking groups weren't affected.

[@manaflask4226]

This is interesting- I heard of a couple instances when people suddenly went crazy on a hike. In my country there is a famous area where if you go there in an exact time of year you will either get lost and never be found or go insane. No one knows why. There are a lot of theories and even a book written about it.

[@TheUnknownLegend1234]

Interesting! What is this area?

[@manaflask4226]

@@TheUnknownLegend1234 I do not really want to reveal where I'm from. And I doubt there are informations about it on the internet in english. But if you really want to know, it's a mountain range called Tribeč.

[@Helperbot-2000]

@@manaflask4226 huh, creepy

[@emh2320]

This is so weird, the nerve gas theory makes a lot of sense, but the symptoms also sound like a very rapid form of Chronic Wasting Disease (which only occurs in the deer population). Interesting Wendi. Thank you for your videos :)

[@HappyBeezerStudios]

But would a prion disease hit them all at the same time? That is the big factor that rules out a lot. Any kind of infection or food poisoning would be too spread out. People have a difference in metabolism and immune system, so they would expire over a couple hours, not minutes. The description makes it sound like a silent killer running from victim to victim, expiring them step by step.

[@themightymcb7310]

Prions take months, if not years, to build up. No way this was CJD

[@ielizavetaodokiienko2865]

I'm in Ukraine right now. This might sound weird but your videos are such a distraction to the horrors that are happening here right now. I hope you make some short videos soon. In any case, I'm excited for your bigger projects too. Thank you for such cool content! P.s. I wish you shared your ideas about the current events in the world. Although, I understand why you choose to stay away from that.

[@angeline6477]

I hope you and your family are safe or as safe as you can be

[@ielizavetaodokiienko2865]

@@angeline6477 Thank you for the kind words!

[@yazminlares6000]

I hope your family, friends and you are doing fine! My prayers go to you.

[@dragoncub1988]

My prayers are with you and your family please stay safe

[@ayo69420]

Stay safe please! I send you prayers and the best of wishes. Take care ok?

[@thetwitchywitchy]

From everything I’ve heard about this case, nerve gas or possibly residual effects of a biological/chemical weapon test that was somehow made more intense by the high amount of rain at the time has made the most sense to me with the bleeding eyes and mouth and clawing at their throats

[@mclr9941]

It’s crazy how as soon as I get on a wendigoon binge he drops a new vid, it’s a Blessing every time much love papagoon have a good weekend!!

[@TrashbashMan]

This man will grow up to be the David Attenburough of spooky topics

[@djentlover]

Interestingly, to me this story is more scary than most labeled scary on KZbin. The vibe of visualizing all this is so unsettling. Most of your group suddenly bleeding from eyes and mouth, scratching their neck, beating their head, biting, in a middle of a rainstorm. Eerie stuff.

[@johnruckman5397]

I appreciate that your videos are titled in ways like "The Bizarre Mystery of the Khamar Daban Deaths" and then it actually is a bizarre mystery, and you don't clickbait it or anything

[@fariza20042]

as a russian speaker, hearing you pronounce the name "Timur" as "Timmerrr" was funny. love you're videos, keep up the good work ♥️

[@Kiss_My_Aspergers]

He pronounces a lot of things in other languages in a *very* American sort of way. 😂 He's got quite a drawl and it can really catch you by surprise sometimes! On a lesser note, he seems to have misread "Dyatlov" outright, which is a thing he's done before with other words/names (foreign _and_ english-language), so who knows, maybe he's struggling with a lil dyslexia, too. Sooooo many male content creators I follow have dyslexia & ADHD, so I really wouldn't be shocked if that were the case. Maybe a pronunciation key in his notes would help in the future.

[@yoshita4140]

@jojo i'm not 100% sure but i think its supposed to be like tie-mooor

[@jenkhemhuffersanonymous3990]

@@Kiss_My_Aspergers imagine that it's almost like he's from America specifically the south which have very strong accents 🤔 rly makes you think 😳

[@edwardhisse2687]

Are you really trying to diagnose Vendigoon with dyslexia for having an accent? Did you diagnose those youtibers with ADHD yourself as well?

[@jenkhemhuffersanonymous3990]

@@edwardhisse2687 they want their KZbinrs to be as special and unique as they are

[@lamidlospustoszenia]

i love this channel so much he talks all chill about fascinating creepy shit still making it interesting and easy to listen to without making end goal of it getting a viewer scared but to tell the story and information about each case

[@seanc7990]

Really appreciate that he doesn't put scary music and tries to make it unnecessarily scary, Been looking for a channel that tells scary/creepy stories in an informative way

[@dgafbrapman688]

Id love to see you do a breakdown on a series called "all tomorrows the future of humanity" Its a sci fi story about the different forms humanity has evolved into over the course of millions of years. I feel like the genre of story is right up your alley, and id love to see the comprehensive research that you always deliver! I think what caused this was either A) the chemical weapon or B) some type of RF weapon like what caused "havana syndrome" only turned up to 11. Nothing else is even plausible in my opinion.

[@fatstrategist]

In All Tomorrows, the Qu, an alien race invades the Human colonies across thousands of planets and contorts them into strange, unrecognizable creatures. The Qu are what caused the second major evolutionary step in the story, the first being the space-faring human engineered race made to travel throughout space better. Another human evolution not caused by the Qu is the Martians. The Martians obviously inhabit Mars. I assume you're referring to after the Qu that radiation only makes sense?

[@dgafbrapman688]

@@fatstrategist No the part about radiation was in response to the videos story.

[@fatstrategist]

@@dgafbrapman688 Ah, I see! I haven't watched the full video yet, sorry for assuming wrong

[@hollyrylah5969]

Idk where but I heard it had a really nice ending or a part of it felt very correct yk. Cause they ended up finding earth again and that just felt like a good ending

[@KPC.bacterr]

This case remembered me of Warfarin overdose/poisoning. It matches a little with the description - and, if not an intentional overdose (it was used as poison a lot), it could be because of Sweet Clover (or simmilar herb) consumption. Although the last one would require quite a big quantity of it IIRC. The hypovolemia caused by the excessive bleeding could aggravate a LOT the body’s temperature loss too.

[@firewalk27]

It would make sense that Valentina waited a long time before coming forward with her story, If something like this happened to me I definitely would suspect the government may be involved knowing it’s past (yes even in the US) and be fearful to come forward with my account at all- Especially if she was possibly told to keep it quiet. It’s entirely likely the majority of the people involved in covering this up had no idea why they were doing so, simply that they were told to do it. “Make sure the body died of natural causes.” “Don’t investigate for two weeks.”

[@rusi6219]

Especially in the US.

[@SybieSybs]

Strangely, this reminds me of the Dyatlov Pass Incident, where a group of hikers in Russia all died under very mysterious circumstances. They had all fled their campsite some time during the night while dressed poorly for the weather and temperature. Their bodies were found within about 2,300 feet from the campsite and in varying degrees of decomposition, with some having fatal injuries such as major skull damage, major chest fractures, and "the force required to cause such damage would have been extremely high, comparable to that of a car crash." Interesting enough, none of the bodies showed any of this outside trauma. As well, a number of hikers had some of the soft tissues of their faces removed from wildlife. Theories regarding what happened have ranged from an avalanche scaring the hikers awake, a violent katabatic wind forcing them to leave their campsite (for those who don't know, a katabatic wind is a "drainage wind", which carries high-density air from an elevation down a slope using gravity), mysterious infrasound that caused the group to have collectively have panic attacks and flee the campsite, and military testing by the Soviet government, such as a parachute mine exercise or the testing of radiological weapons since radiation was found on the clothing of the hikers. It's a really interesting, fascinating story that, to this day, still baffles investigators. The most plausible reason that has only recently come to light is a slab avalanche forced the hikers to flee the campsite, where they would then presumably return to later, but were unable to due to injury, loss of direction, and hypothermia. EDIT: I should have waited until the end of the video! Well, at least I provided a bit more knowledge and insight about the Dyatlov Pass Incident.

[@justas423]

A more plausible theory I've heard is that the oven they had overheat or at least smoked a lot and they ran out in the wilderness and got caught in a snowstorm, which explains one of them getting caught in an avalanche. The soft tissue was probably a combination of necrosis and scavengers picked some stuff off. Which is pretty much identical to the avalanche theory in principle (Something happened -> everyone left the tent and the nature claimed them)

[@theblackcatgirl7013]

Lol same, when the video ended I deleted my comment talking about how it reminded me of the Dylatov Pass because he ended up talking about it.

[@backwardsbandit8094]

He already said that at the end of the video. The Dyatolov pass incident was almost definitely caused by a slab avalanche. This is when a loose slab of snow on the side of a hill becomes detached and collapses below. It's hard to explain but theres several diagrams that show how it works. Basically one of the guys set up the tent next to a slab of snow for shelter over the night. A cold wind pushed the slab loose and toppled onto their tent which is why the bodies were found to have crush injuries and the tent had been cut from the inside out. The reason this took so long to figure out is because slab avalanches are very inconspicuous and small so they werent a discovered phenomena at the time.

[@TaraSmallss]

It made me instantly think of that as well

[@NOTTHEMUTANTMOB]

Nahh aliens wit force guns.

[@desolane900]

Sounds like poisoning. If she had them eating random foraged plants and had their intakes scheduled, they probably all ate the same plant at the same time before leaving, metabolized it at the same time, and fell over at the same time. Odds are whatever safe plant she fed them had something in it. Probably some kind of mineral taken through the roots or chemical dumped. My second theory is something like carbon monoxide or the nerve gas theory. Sounds like a leak in the area, being mountains, carbon monoxide or some kind of sulphide or other gas could have been ejecting higher up and running down the mountainside in streams. Nerve gas sounds the most likely from the way it was described as "she ran over to help him and got hit by the same symptoms".

[@aravindkm2012]

They'd have found traces of these things in their body, atleast some residue in their digestive tract.

[@georgeharrisonfricklas7927]

@@aravindkm2012 you have far too much faith in the Russian government

[@aravindkm2012]

@@georgeharrisonfricklas7927 Atleast they haven't been caught doing heinous MKUltra shit

[@georgeharrisonfricklas7927]

@@aravindkm2012 key word here is "caught"

[@aravindkm2012]

@@georgeharrisonfricklas7927 By caught I mean blatantly flouting human rights. Even Russia isn't that heinous because they have to give a fuck about what the world thinks of them.

[@AliceBlytheGraves]

Hi Wendigoon! I wanted to tell you how much I adore and appreciate your content. You cover such interesting topics and you seem so devoted to your craft and your fans 💕💕 You genuinely seem like such a sweet and caring man and I’m so happy I found your channel. The fact that you’re closing your patreon because you don’t want take any more money from your fans is so touching 😭😭 anyway love you and thank you :))

[@jimmythe-gent]

Ha, that was cute

[@bbtdgfan890]

I believe the nerve gas thing 100%. Cops were absolutely in on it, too, what with delaying the search and of course having jurisdiction over the medical examiner.

[@joshuastubbs1930]

There's a very rare mushroom in that area that either kills you or gives you hallucinations. One of the most common hallucinations? Bleeding eyes.

[@anglepsycho]

@@joshuastubbs1930 Does it make seizures happen and frothing?

[@YungScuffed]

@@anglepsycho I imagine

[@gageo6860]

@@joshuastubbs1930 but it was clearly an area of effect issue as opposed to looney toons style everyone getting sick and dying one after another

[@joshuastubbs1930]

@@gageo6860 which is what the spores of the mushroom do, spreads over a huge area getting everyone sick.

[@TheGallicWitch]

My two questions which you didn't mention to make me believe Valentina completely: did they find traces of the throat scratching and head bashing on the bodies? I'm not sure how fast decomposition works but bashing your head against a rock until you stop moving surely leaves traces that can be found even 3 weeks after death, no? So was there any signs on the bodies of that?

[@thecutecat2561]

I'm a RN and heavily into the forensic nursing aspect even though I never worked in it. North Dakota doesn't need many of them so opportunity. What I can tell you from all my years of being into this type of thing is that with a month of decomposition it would be very unlikely the skin integrity would be there to see it. Even though it was cold it wasn't extreme cold so the bodies would not have been well intact. As far as the head bashing if it was hard enough to impact bone yes that would be detectable. However the frontal part of the skull is very thick and you would probably knock yourself out before cracking the bone. Given the decomposition potential bruising may not have been identifiable. The body when decomposing starts to exude liquids from fat primarily breaking down, destroying a lot of outer evidence. Also if there were any animals scavenging it can destroy evidence as well. Hope this helped!

[@randomgrinn]

If its a military coverup, then they aren't going to find evidence of anything, no matter what.

[@themadtitan8379]

Have you ever heard of the Yuba city five? That’s one that really confuses me, way too many unanswered questions there. Plus it happened right in my backyard so it makes it a little less like “oh well this happened on the other side of the country, could never happen here”

[@Eccel47]

Have you watched Bedtime Stories video on it?

[@ajzorger93]

Ima look it up

[@ajzorger93]

I just got done reading the wiki article on it. That's a super sad story. I feel like the explanation they give on the article is a very solid possibility on how they got there and passed. Heartbreaking that they weren't of stable mind and probably were afraid of their circumstance in more ways than just dying.

[@CCuppy29]

@@ajzorger93 Rickozkki

[@DeadRyGuy]

Great story telling as always, no matter the topic or how morbid. Also, props to you for forfeiting your Patreon once you reached a point of financial stability; not a lot of people would do that

[@firenkyo8073]

26:42 - I wonder if the biting could also have just been from her violent seizing? The report from the survivor doesn't really say how the bit happened, like if she lunged and bit or if the other person just got too close to her mouth when she was seizing

[@welshieranger4697]

the more depressing idea i just thought of, she could have been terrified, losing control of her limbs and just trying to get human contact as a form of support or comfort in the only way she had left.

[@beboppapadopoulos4158]

Been here since your childhood trauma video. Absolutely love the content. Certain other creators in this realm of KZbin have seemed jealous of your quick success, but it’s absolutely deserved. The fact you shut down the Patreon proves it.

[@RobKluck]

Really enjoying these 'shorter' segments on a faster release schedule! Congrats on all youtube success, it's been inspirational watching your journey and humility upon success.

[@ldgvh7210]

I had read that the group was making tea from the herbs that they were foraging for, herbs that were unfortunately soaked or atleast contaminated by the residual nerve agent, Valentina was the only one not physically present at the time of them brewing the tea and consuming it, hence why she survived

[@MochiJelly4877]

I think this a bit more likely for Valentina not dying if the foraging around the area had been infected with the gas rather than a gas pocket that she just so happened to avoid. I definitely think it was a gas I just think this is a bit more likely and more believable. As I have heard somewhere that Valentina didn’t eat as much or didn’t eat the forgeries at all though this may be false I’m not sure.

[@kayakat1869]

This is the creepiest story. I swear, anything that happens in the wilderness is horrifying.

[@ghostcraft3370]

I think the nerve gas thing makes the most sense. Sure there would be a lot of circumstances surrounding it but those kinds of things happen sometimes. Unless its something that hasn't even been discovered yet, I feel the nerve gas is the best bet. Its the only theory that really explains everything. Kinda wild if true though

[@ghostcraft3370]

I mean i feel even a super complicated murder plot or something by the survivor that seems way less likely to me. The fact she could've totally been overpowered and being able to think far enough ahead to make things look odd sounds totally unlikely. Also if it was that I can't imagine there would be literally NO signs of foul play.

[@maija_]

I swear if some dude just started telling me this stuff, I would be soooo bored, but you make it so interesting with your jokes and how you explain things! I can't wait to keep watching.

[@NachozMan]

zoomer adhd .2 second attention span brain, take your Ritalin Timmy

[@deepstaria0868]

wendigoon telling me the most traumatizing and horrific mystery i’ve ever heard and he’s completely chill the entire timeb

[@randomcatmeow1394]

Literally 10 minutes in and I am already regretting watching this at night

[@rashmibhargav1343]

Desensitized to violence, blood and death is very empowering.

[@FaZeloffOfGlizzywood]

@@rashmibhargav1343yea but like. Dude this shit seems so sinister and supernatural. Like let’s say they did die from hypothermia, none of that bleeding from every damn hole and banging your head on a rock whilst this blood is pouring out of you, then it wouldn’t be so unsettling, it’s still a bad way to go, but more understandable.

[@rashmibhargav1343]

@@FaZeloffOfGlizzywood despite being sinister and supernatural.... Death was really fast... They suffered severe pain and struggle but it was quick......if u really wanna understand true pain and suffering... Answer is Hisashi Ouichi...u must hv seen wendigoon's video about him... If not... Then it's must watch fr u... And please come back... We'll talk about it... 😊

[@AndrewWilson-fb8ge]

This man keeps putting out so many great videos so quickly. he cant keep getting away with it.

[@bigshoota4492]

The lost colony of Roanoke is a very interesting story, your take on it would be amazing.

[@Chimpmanboom]

I’m like 90% sure he’s done this

[@bigshoota4492]

@@Chimpmanboom I can assure you the mad lad has not

[@blub1220]

No, he spoke about it briefly in a Iceberg Video

[@kelianec.arsenault9185]

It’s so tragic and mysterious. Truly chilling, it reminds me of the Dyatlov story Great work once again!

[@ShadowPhoenix82]

I've heard the story before, but I really appreciate this added analysis and explanation. Also, Ex-patrons? How bittersweet! Awesome that you made it to that point though! 🔥