The Mystery of the Bomb Collar Bank Heist

[@Wendigoon]

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[@committi]

hurray

[@lilsoviet7933]

I’m in your walls

[@aidanconrad6117]

@@lilsoviet7933 Im in ur closet

[@trout2]

Yippee!!!!

[@Gravel_TheCart]

Thank you.

[@angiadcock8196]

Somehow the saddest detail of this whole thing is that the only time Brian was late for work was when his cat died. That just broke my heart.

[@Jahsizzl9]

What a shitty story

[@Karvosh]

I'm amazed he even came into work that day.. a guy that dedicated to his work, and sounding so kind, did not deserve such a horrible fate.

[@angiadcock8196]

@@emred4653 no you idiot. I feel bad that they chose to use the kind of man that only misses work when his cat died. That little detail show what kind of man he was and gives way more context to the entire story. My comment was never about the goddamn cat. It’s really sad that for years people thought he was involved when he was clearly just a sweet, hardworking dude who loved his cat. I want people to remember Brian as the kind of guy who took a day off to mourn his pet not as some dastardly co-conspirator.

[@ualarga]

@@emred4653 i think you're misunderstading something, but im not telling ya

[@zentheris]

@@emred4653 you're telling a random person on the internet that their feelings are invalid and then twisting it for no reason, you should probably rethink who should get a grip

[@spagandhi]

My funny theory is that Bill called the cops because he was distraught nobody was solving his "evil genius" scavenger hunt

[@KawaiiKittenDoll]

Honestly he sounds to be enough of a loser that he would do that.

[@-psilo-9071]

he likely remoged the clues himself cause of the missing note in the final jar when they followed the clues

[@aliasfakename8076]

Thats... actually a plausible theory. The guy was full of himself. Maybe he dropped the police a hint cause he thought he would still not get caught and wanted to tease them

[@40kanon]

Hi Spag :)

[@lydellb]

Clout is one helluva drug lol. He really wanted everybody to know it was him.

[@Kaiji...]

"The only time he was late for work was when his cat died" has got to be one of the saddest sentences of all time. Implying he _still_ went to work afterwards & never missed a day otherwise.

[@sasaki999pro]

Sometimes wageslavery doesn't cut you bereavement leave. I remember working through the death of my own parents, living paycheck to paycheck, I was so emotionally repressed that when I approached the 1 year anniversary of their deaths I finally had a complete breakdown.

[@Anton-qc1fk]

@@sasaki999pro fuck that is terrible man; I am so sorry. I hope you’re doing better.

[@211212112]

When I was 14 I walked out to go to work and my cat that I had for 13+ years was dead and I still went to work. I wish I wouldn’t have now cause that cat was really something. It literally ruined me on cats cause for all that time the only cat I really knew was mine and it was awesome. I’m not saying that cause it was mine. Like it kept the area free from rodents, moles, etc, but would bring the young home alive. It went out at dusk and came back in at dawn. It didn’t need a litter box, food, or water. It used the bathroom outside, and got water and food from outside. We kept it a bowel of food and water but it would get old and we’d have to throw the stuff away and clean the bowels. It followed me around almost like a dog, but better since it didn’t do the annoying dog thing of getting under a person causing them to trip or stumble trying to not step on dog. When ~3-4 I’d tote her around with one arm wrapped around just under her forelegs. Her body would hang loose with her back paws almost on the ground. In the pictures she has this look on her face when I’m holding her like that. I look so proud of my cat tho. However, she would run to me after school or whenever and assume the position for me to pick her up and drag her around. Or sometimes she rode laying or sitting on my shoulders or around my neck. I regret it but being young we also used her to see if cats always land on their feet and the answer is this one did every time but two and it took extreme circumstances for it to not land. Again tho it would run right back to me at the top of the stairs for us to run another test even the one time one whole side of her smacked the tile floor hard from the sound of it. She was basically the best features of dogs and cats with none of the bad ones except she shed white hair so good luck wearing black when she was around. After her I tried to get other cats but they suck. The bad behaviors cats often display comes from too many people accepting subpar cats. You treat them like bulldogs IE put down any that show aggression towards people and before long the small kitten trying to kill you for feeding it would be history.

[@CharacteristicLizard]

@@211212112 so im not nickpicky but "bowel" is your colon, "bowl" is what you put water and food in. One letter and it completely changes the meaning

[@Someguyowo]

​@@sasaki999prolol imagine

[@icetide9411]

"After eight months they searched the skeleton pile, only to find it was full of skeletons" Actually the greatest way to explain how it feels to research these cases sometimes

[@Winasaurus]

Especially annoying for the almost countless cases of "A person was brutally murdered, here's the months of research that happened, and all the forensics, yada yada" *30-60 minutes pass* "Then detectives looked at the partner, who had recently taken out a life insurance claim on the person, had recently started acting strangely and was particularly friendly with someone new, and had started a new relationship within days of the victim's death, turns out their DNA was on the weapon, the end. :)" Like bro why'd you waste an hour of my time for the most obvious answer that there was already DNA evidence for?

[@felixsalazar2241]

When you get a Nat 20 in a investigation check over something and turns out that it was, indeed, that thing only

[@seans7788]

@@Winasaurus i dont get it, are you whining about them making long videos explaining the entire process of the case?

[@Winasaurus]

@@seans7788 I'm complaining about videos/tv programs that attempt to make mundane, obvious cases sound interesting by avoiding the obvious for 90% of the runtime. "What happened to this woman? We interviewed 400 people at her workplace and conducted 20 searches of her car. We also cross-referenced potential flight paths for 3 months, and analyzed her google searches for potential clues. Finally detectives turned to the blood-soaked husband who just cashed in a brand new life insurance policy and moved in with his new girlfriend, and then they made a shocking revelation" In reality, it's a 10 second story. But if you avoid asking the obvious questions you can stretch it out for 30 minutes with ad breaks. And if you're watching with at least 10 brain cells activated, the whole time you're thinking "Check the spouse?".

[@Oh_the_humanity]

​@@seans7788 either that or they're not a fan of how these cases are so roundabout that the ending feels like a waste of the dramatic build-up. Which, y'know, you can't really change how real life events go to make them more dramatic.

[@NoTime2Explain676]

The overcomplicated nature of this whole heist and how it all fell apart makes me envy that one guy who would steal artwork from museums by just taking the paintings when guards weren’t looking

[@3redstreeter256]

Guard: What happened to the Renoir?! Guy with suspiciously painting shaped stomach: What painting? That wall was already blank when I walked in. Yep! No paintings in here no sir.

[@toribug1899]

That would be an interesting video actually

[@jeremiahbaugh8195]

I'm pretty sure Jacob Geller has a video on it

[@NoTime2Explain676]

@@jeremiahbaugh8195 he mentions it in one, which is where i heard about it, but that video's primary focus is the dude that stole a fuck ton of dead birds for fly fishing lures

[@ianr7014]

@@NoTime2Explain676the ending of this sentence is like a kick in the throat

[@walkingexistentaldread3079]

i’ve always felt so terrible for Brian. he did not deserve to die like that, alone and on live TV.

[@MrGrandure]

This is why pizza delivery people carry guns today

[@ironicstatement]

Not to mention having his death portrayed in a shitty Hollywood comedy movie

[@shitnipples942]

@@MrGrandure How exactly would a gun have helped him in his situation?

[@C6urier]

@@shitnipples942 ya know maybe he could defend himself against the people strapping a literal bomb against his chest just a thought tho

[@carmirhodes6851]

@@C6urier Or die with them, you know a gun against a bomb wouldn't do that much damage compared to the blast that would have taken all off them.

[@BigYosh]

This story has always freaked me out, the idea of having a collar that is impossible to remove that will surly detonate just fills me with dread.

[@GoobleryKu]

dont play dead money lol

[@enragedbear]

its a saw trap irl

[@almond3066]

It's really scary to think about the fact that he was basically already dead the minute the collar went on, and he had no idea

[@grilledcheesehater44]

Guys I think wendigoon commented on their recent video.

[@speed9553]

If the bomb would detonate if there was any tampering, doesn’t that mean the key going in would’ve set it off? There was no surviving this.

[@jexwu]

Oh man, a friend of mine was the court sketch artist for this case. She said Marjorie kept mean-mugging her the whole trial, like she was absolutely concerned about how she was going to be portrayed in those sketches. Definitely a narcissist.

[@smartfella7914]

That’s an actual sopranos joke, Uncle junior mean mugged the artist the whole time too

[@Mophony]

100% a clinical narcissist

[@imgoldenguy]

100% a lie

[@vez3834]

That's really funny :D thanks for sharing!

[@TheRealZazaExpert]

@@smartfella7914 gabagool

[@arloe7240]

Wendigoon should definitely do a diagram like a paranoid detective with the red yarn connecting everything

[@simonsoupshark8009]

he should do that all the time frankly

[@orang9134]

with the thumbtacks yeah

[@Pamven]

Would def be right up his vibe!

[@0xyP0xy]

I think he would unintentionally recreate the charlie day meme

[@thescarecrow897]

degenerate pfp

[@RobertZabulonian]

The detail about Brian dancing when he got happy made me immeasurably sad. This is such a tragic case overall

[@norawhite1200]

@@Thatguy55595 never say never

[@dravenocklost4253]

I know a guy who is kinda like that. He's innocent, like a child. One guy threatened him randomly when he was waiting in a parking lot for his job. Apparently he likes to walk around the parking lot looking for change on the ground, and this guy yelled at him claiming he was trying to break into cars or something and threatened to call the sheriff/police. I stayed with him to calm him down. Kinda made me mad, some baseless claim made against someone minding their own business.

[@lurkinhehe]

High IQ has been related to depression So the opposite could be true, on a personal note I have never met someone more stupid than me and i feel great even tho I know my life is falling apart

[@ActuallyAudacity]

@@lurkinhehe ignorance is bliss

[@seangleason8674]

I totally agree with you I share the same exact sentiment and the fact that the FBI and the government hasn't come out and cleared this guy's name and said that he was a victim and he got murdered is absolutely Beyond shameful in my opinion the stress and the heartache and the pain if they've caused this guy's poor mother and the rest of his family is just disgusting

[@Lazysupermutant]

I think what sells me on Bryan's innocence is when he asked the police to call his boss to let him know that he's got a bomb on his chest and not slacking. That's not something someone says when they're in on the heist, that's what someone who's panicking and shooting off the first thing that comes to his mind, like his job.

[@TheHuntsman-qe9iz]

That's a really good point!

[@juliatheejawn]

And it's bolstered by his only day being late was due to the death of his cat and him allegedly asking for the money upon delivery. He was just a really diligent worker and it makes me so sad

[@djg4534]

What if that was just a ploy or a way to let pinette know the jig was up , can’t remember if he was working that day honestly but I definitely could be just a ploy

[@joshmorgan5933]

@@djg4534 that doesn’t make sense with their story that Wells struggled at the radio tower because he somehow found out the bomb was real. And all of his behavior after being caught by police showed he was afraid for his life, believed the bomb was real, and believed they would detonate it if he didn’t complete the steps. So, why would he want to let them know to detonate faster when the bomb squad was on its way?

[@joshmorgan5933]

Also, how would Wells randomly know the bomb was real on the day of the heist? Why did they say he waited for the money? Why would he desperately want the police to complete the steps if he was in on it? Why would they set up this elaborate plot only to have the “bomb-hostage” know all their identities?

[@vonathenbrod8498]

I swear wendigoon discovers something, goes on a hyperfocused deep dive into it, and then shares his findings like a proud kid talking to you about how cool his favourite superhero is

[@themightylog2169]

Hence why so many feel a parasocial connection to his content & approach I suppose

[@orangeshirtguy01]

@@themightylog2169 suppose so.

[@sparki420]

... You don't do this? 😐 Guess I'm not as normal as I thought 😅

[@Winston819]

45:25 "And after years of searching, the key information to the case was discovered in a police officers desk in a folder labeled snitch notes" is somehow even more hilarious and outlandish then the skeleton pile joke.

[@luap121]

Atimyogiuu I go 30:11 ff

[@7thboss931]

“Hey boss, is this folder full of valuable information valuable?” “Nah, just put it back in the desk and forget about it”

[@chrisb4131]

The reason the FBI was so clueless on this case is because they didn't have 11 informants involved in the planning and implementation of the heist.

[@tonyfriendly4409]

Nice! Remember the good old days when the FBI tried to solve crimes instead of set them up.

[@Samanta-van-laar]

@@tonyfriendly4409 it always bin like that only now people see stuff dont trust them or the goverment anymore

[@fastestfail2645]

​​@@Samanta-van-laar no. The old FBI did that back in the 20-40s the moment the cold war started they turned bad

[@TheTiredPirate]

@@fastestfail2645 government has always been bad?

[@ladyjaysindeore1113]

They were clueless because the local agent was a cocksure moron and local and federal authorities were in a pissing match.

[@MrTeteu200]

I feel so bad for Brian. Even if he somewhat collaborated with the heist, he was clearly the most vulnerable one pushed by a bunch of insidious psychos. Jessica threw him to the wolfs in one way or another.

[@enterpassword3313]

Lol what? U think he was in on it?

[@jackunknown1692]

​@@enterpassword3313 they said "if he somewhat"

[@yrantiquebrand]

I found her on fb. She looks terrible.

[@BryanJohnson4891]

Yep. Poor guy. Also, the “AG1” advert was the most painful thing I’ve ever heard. People, don’t fall for the billion dollar supplement market. They are useless and that’s a fact unless you have a diagnosed deficiency. Same with probiotics. There’s actually evidence to suggest they’re bad unless you’ve been on antibiotics. “But they work for me!” Yes. It’s called a placebo. This is why the efficacy of drugs is “percentage more effective than placebo”. The placebo effect isn’t something only idiots fall for, we all do and you will have many times during your life.

[@the_furry_inside_your_walls639]

@@enterpassword3313 Some-what collaborated in the sense that he was most likely coerced into it and wasn't told at all that the bomb on his chest was actually real, so he didn't realize just how dire the situation was for him and everyone else around him until the collar started beeping.

[@joeymckinney]

The jar being empty when the police go to follow the trail is especially interesting. If the clue had been in there, but they came and got the clue idk why they wouldn't just grab the jar with the clue. But if it was meant to be empty from the start, that's just pure evil.

[@radonsmith4386]

Also I wonder if they ever did a hand writing analysis for who wrote the notes. I only know about this case from this video and Wendy didn't mention any of this...

[@POTUSJimmyCarter]

What I personally think is important to note, which he didn't mention, is that the trail went cold at the stop immediately after the place where he was supposed to stash the money in a dead drop. I think the idea was that Wells would definitely get the police after him at some point in this, and by having him ditch the money early on in this insane scavenger hunt and then keep moving, he would draw the police away. Everything up to dropping off the money was important to them. Everything AFTER him dropping off the money...wasn't. They just didn't expect the cops to catch him that early in the process.

[@TheTrueDskizzel]

IMO it was going to end with Brian dead no matter what because either way like the FBI said there was no way to make all the stops in the amount of time for the bomb to go off that’s why they were watching him so when he died they just take the money and run! Also their reason why they was planning it so Brian didn’t make it is because IF everything went as planned Brian couldn’t identify the people that practically forced him to rob the bank…

[@abc-wv4in]

@@POTUSJimmyCarter I agree.

[@luxborealis]

@@radonsmith4386 It was Rothstein, most likely. Despite everyone in the case being baby boomers, the note was not written in cursive, suggesting it was written in typeface to hide the handwriting. However, Rothstein seems to have tested the pen on some of the pages as traces of his handwriting were found on some notes.

[@rigormortis9881]

I can't IMAGINE the fear and dread that Brian felt in those moments before the explosion. Poor guy!

[@stevebanning902]

..yeah.. i bet he lost his mind

[@OrionDawn15]

@@CrungleFunk I like dark humor but the two jokes were awful, come on now.

[@OrionDawn15]

@@CrungleFunk That he did, what an awful way to go.

[@romulusrealist16]

I imagine he had a few moments of clarity about the life decisions that led him there,

[@mattweiman5144]

@@romulusrealist16 So it's his fault for being... a pizza delivery guy?

[@robinchirps1775]

I’ve always hated the idea that Majorie was a smart mastermind. She obviously wasn’t. She got caught. She got caught many times beforehand. She told the police everything for no reason. She was just a sick woman.

[@standpire]

She was smart, but not very bright Y’know?

[@alanwatts8239]

She was so stupid that the meter broke and pointed towards her being smart.

[@Gemini-Lion]

@@alanwatts8239Integer underflow

[@XXMatt0040XX]

She's stupid. She's just smart to all the even more stupid people out there. Intelligence measuring is all relative. She might honestly be so stupid that it confused people so much to the point of believing her to be smart...

[@ericwilliams8420]

She did get away with possibly murdering 2 of her partners, but this was back in the 80s or whenever. Forensic work wasn't as up to snuff, and since CCTV, computers & cellphones weren't as common place there wasn't the paranoia of leaving a huge paper trail. Her power is being able to mobilize simps, criminals, crackheads, and other needy people living on the fringes to do her bidding, like a bipolar bizzaro Nick Fury. Doesn't really take smarts to get these type of characters to commit murder since they all thought they were getting a piece of the pie.

[@CTSkydives]

The saddest thing is that Brian only was late to work once, when his cat died. I feel bad for him, he must have truly loved his cat.

[@daskamu]

😢

[@Pipsqueak-]

I swore I remember reading somewhere that he had some sort of special needs. Really unfortunate.

[@JokersD0ll]

⁠@@Pipsqueak-ovbs I can’t speak for all special needs people but I was diagnosed at 9 that I had adhd and autism, 15 now) and it does seem he carry’s traits of it being so vulnerable is a lot more common ) w special needs people being taken advantage off, we can believe so quick what somebody is saying is true. Again this isn’t a diagnosis and sorry if my wording is wrong.

[@bigbadlara5304]

​@@JokersD0llif doesn't automatically make you vulnerable to being exploited. I have ADHD and I can stand my ground well.

[@JokersD0ll]

@@bigbadlara5304 like I said it’s different for everyone for me (I have adhd n autism it’s easy to take advantage of me, proving that by the fact I’ve been groomed b4

[@rolandtowen2595]

Whether or not Brian was in on the heist, he was still definitely a vulnerable adult that was manipulated and taken advantage of. Thanks for another great video.

[@anubis63000jd]

Dang... "Brian was dumb. He did a dance when he was happy.." "He was late to work once when his cat died." These people are monster for putting a bomb on that guy.

[@litmatch7249]

If my cat dies in taking the whole day off.

[@Mench2007]

@@litmatch7249 week*

[@burningpottedplants1500]

@@Mench2007 month*

[@Mench2007]

@@burningpottedplants1500 year*

[@ajdrig]

@@Mench2007 Burn my job to the ground*

[@HughJassill]

You really shouldn’t apologize for getting into the weeds and your videos being so long. My brother in Christ, THAT’S WHY WE’RE HERE WATCHING! We love you, Wendigoon.

[@ther0ach28]

I prefer the longer videos tbh

[@Necromancer0225]

Amen 😔✊

[@noahjones9833]

Same. I love them

[@cleoh666]

Long-form content 🫶

[@CommentFrom]

I like hearing the majority of the information instead of short summarised versions of stories people often put out.

[@thomasfryer5706]

I honestly wouldn’t be surprised if Robert’s overdose was actually a suicide. Survivor’s guilt can be a hell of a thing, and the possibility of him having it due to thinking that on any other day that it could have been him that died, plus the stress of the investigation and the bad mental state that comes with drug abuse could very well have been too much for him.

[@-psilo-9071]

You're probably right that makes me sad

[@CloverCutieASMR]

Robert was there as a delivery driver the day of the incident. So it would more be if he went out instead of Brian.

[@XXMatt0040XX]

Yeah, guy could easily have thought he deserved to die instead and practically wager it just to feel okay. Almost a subconscious suicide if that makes sense. It's a hard feeling to describe. To keep it short, survivor's guilt really is real as fuck... Everything I hear about Brain makes me think I would feel like, no matter how illogical, it was my fault. Especially if he was, in the nicest way, dumb.

[@joeah99cr21]

The most insane part of this is that after all the extensive planning the criminals took in this heist, they failed to realize that their hostage would basically need to have the nerves and intelligence of James freaking Bond to pull it off for them...AND THEY DECIDED A RANDOM PIZZA DELIVERY GUY COULD DO IT. rip though, this is anyone's worst nightmare.

[@abc-wv4in]

I don't think he was involved in the planning, and I think they knew he couldn't complete all the steps. They wanted him killed so he couldn't be a witness. Once the money was dropped they didn't need him any more.

[@tVt2000]

Fucked up, poor pizza guy.

[@HumbledSlave]

Well the lady said Brian was doing this treasure hunting thing posted on daily newspaper. And the prostitute said she was closer to him so she must have known this information as well. After all it is her who gave Brian to the gang.

[@charissimpson235]

I don’t think they ever intended him to survive

[@cyberdragon1000]

I think the plan was to have him drop the bag in the forest where the van was waiting and then go to the next location. They would pick up the bag and escape while he would either die on the way or die in despair when he reaches the area and finds an empty jar

[@PR0MAN01]

Yeah the 4th stop being empty and the instructions to go out to the woods screams that Brian was dead the moment that collar went on him. The heisters were probably waiting for conformation from the McDonald's ribbon that he had the money. Once he went to the isolated woods, they would've detonated the bomb, took the money and buried the body somewhere to cover their tracks. Such a tragic case. Edit: Also, completely unrelated. But if they ever make a movie about this, they gotta get Benjamin Byron Davis to play Rothstein. Their resemblance is uncanny.

[@Akechifan]

The game was rigged from the start

[@-WhiskeyAndSteel-]

They weren't going to detonate it, they were going to wait until it detonated. It was rigged to kitchen timers. It turning out to be pipe bombs on a kitchen timer. 50 minutes would be more than enough to take that bitch apart. What ashame.

[@I_Like_Ike53]

From where he's kneeling, it must seem like an 18-karat run of bad luck

[@pineapplesonpizza7726]

I have a feeling that the perpetrators took the 4th instructions because it had incriminating details. Like perhaps, the 4th instruction detailed how Brian will kill Margery's father.

[@Wicked061]

i thought it was weird that there was a jar, but no instructions in it. why leave the jar?

[@yesipan]

Man what a poor guy, I can't imagine what it would be like to have those be your last moments. My hear goes out to Brian.

[@simply_based]

👂

[@playdoughmaster808]

@@simply_based it’s the right shape

[@pootispickle4482]

I send my hear too

[@quezchinmark1022]

@@pootispickle4482 i too give my listens to this guy 50% half deaf

[@thatguyintherain3168]

H e a r

[@gluedtothemouse]

I think Jessica Hoopsick stayed silent for so long because she may have felt responsible for the death of someone she considered a friend. She didn't know he would die, BUT she might feel responsible since she was the one who volunteered Brian Wells. So, it might just be that she was so scarred by the guilt that she just held onto it, but maybe coming face to face with the kind of monster that took advantage of Brian on the last delivery of his life shook her enough that she spilled her metaphorical beans.

[@Hello___there]

Obviously don’t know but a part of me feels like whatever fight they had was about Brian and possibly Marjorie blaming Jessica for his death or something similar

[@SanktaLo]

@@Hello___there i think you're right on the money with why jessica came out. it sounds like something someone like marjory would say; i doubt she could keep quiet when faced with jessica

[@joonlovescrabs]

that’s exactly what i thought

[@zerker08]

Jessica was an addict before she went to jail with Marjorie. She's rehabilitated.

[@rosiehawtrey]

@@zerker08 That might well be a factor - addiction can squash guilt and other emotions very effectively - and depending on the drug it can screw up your judgement, mind you, toxoplasmosis can do that. I hate to imagine what that kind of guilt can do to a person, even if she dropped him in it without knowing the depth of the it she was dropping him in.. But the scavenger hunt/deathstar run should have clued him in, screaming around an American town at 60mph is going to draw smokeys like rotting meat draws flies.. An all around evil bunch of bastards..

[@Hushed_puppies]

I was 11 when this happened and we lived a few hours away in PA. My older brother was a pizza delivery driver and my mom absolutely forbade him from ever returning to that job.

[@aesthetic4829]

I’ve always felt so bad for Brian, his name and reputation was dragged into this investigation and sadly will always be, on paper, a willing participant in this bank robbery. Brian being involved in it all doesn’t make any sense. I feel bad for the guy since as you state, he seemed like a really nice guy who just wasn’t the brightest and was taken advantage because of it. It’s a genuinely sad story that unfortunately will never have a definitive answer.

[@bgee461]

It really doesn't sound like he was a willing participant

[@jonfoulkes3160]

If you feel bad for him, why not just say, "that is bullshit" and defend him!? I mean 🤷🏼‍♂️🤷🏼‍♂️🤷🏼‍♂️🤷🏼‍♂️

[@jonfoulkes3160]

Stay true to your beliefs

[@gotho-oc5bo]

@@jonfoulkes3160 that doesnt change any of what occurred or any slander towards him

[@emmapoole691]

it makes me happy that when you google his name now he’s titled as a “victim” of the case

[@theproplady]

Note to yourself: if you're going to plan a crime like a bank heist or kidnapping, don't jerk around and make it an intricate multi-step cat and mouse game because if one of the steps goes wrong (and it will,) then your entire plan falls apart. It sickens me to think that the criminals had probably intended Wells to die all along. The guy was vulnerable and socially awkward and the perfect fall guy. Margery looks like a demon in human skin that slowly lost its ability to disguise itself as a human as it got older. She didn't get breast cancer. Breast cancer got her.

[@blckk_croww]

this is the hatred that i have for that thing but i could not have said it better in 300 lifetimes

[@reiphas]

This comment reminds me of that meme with a guy looking at his shoe going "Ew, I stepped in shit!" and then there'd be a closeup of Marjorie Diehl's photo on the shoe. By all means, she deserves to be remembered as nothing more than a pos.

[@mrcuccob6386]

Holy shit Margery is an alternate lmao

[@luanfonseca5179]

For me is just so silly. These guys had time for all the jigsaw,arg easter eggs but couldnt rob a bank on their own and didnt plan to a person just pulling him over at all. Like wtf they thought this was? A fucking mel gibson movie or something

[@luanfonseca5179]

@@mrcuccob6386 Bad decision, Brian

[@robynstopped]

I think Rothstein said he wasn't responsible for Brian's death because he actually thought somehow Brian still had a chance to take the collar off. Obviously Brian wasn't able to because of the time limit and police detaining him, but it shows how cruel Rothstein was. He basically built a device that kills but blames the victim for their own death for not playing along and following impossible rules.

[@Winasaurus]

So actually Jigsaw because he makes traps that just kill people then blame them for not getting out.

[@samuelschmitt853]

@@Winasaurus at least in SAW the victims had dogshit reasons for being kidnapped instead of none at all

[@ElimGarakSpoonHead]

Hmm someone with Stein in their name being manipulative and cruel to those he considers weaker than or less than himself????? Color me shocked!

[@marhawkman303]

@@Winasaurus yeah, seems like his logic was that it was the victim's fault for not figuring out the way to escape something allegedly inescapable. Which makes me wonder.... was it actually escapable? Like the Jigsaw example... he would put weird stupid tricks into the "traps" that while not immediately obvious... would let a person who thought about what they were doing... sidestep the whole trap. this guy's smarter than you attitude... makes me wonder if he got a chuckle out of having a secret get out of bomb free switch somewhere hidden.

[@ZorotheGallade]

@@marhawkman303 One of the Saw sequels has the villain being busted out by the successor of the original killer because they create no-win scenarios where the victim has no chance to escape instead of giving them a chance to solve the riddles.

[@cozyoni1425]

The cut-off anguished scream of frustration is my favorite part of this video. It's so relatable

[@detestsleep]

the thing abt the "three black guys" detail is it could be that brian was told to say that if questioned, and bc he still had the bomb on him and no way to know if they could detonate it remotely on top of being overwhelmed with fear he likely went along with the lie, brian was never questioned in a safe environment and didn't have the time to fully flesh out his involvement, and all we have is the word of his tormenters to say otherwise. They were trying to get out of a kidnapping and murder charge and brian wasn't around to say otherwise, which they likely counted on

[@r-pupz7032]

Yep if I have a bomb strapped to me you're damn sure I'm trying to follow through exactly what my captors told me to do, even if I'm caught by the cops. Especially if the captors told you that no one else would be able to remove it without it detonating, and especially if you're easily manipulated and not the sharpest thinker. But I don't think even super smart people would necessarily do anything different to Brian. You're in a pretty desperate situation and giving the cops accurate descriptions is unlikely to help you right then, where as it could harm you if they are somehow listening in - or if you send the cops after them and they detonate the bomb.

[@XXMatt0040XX]

​@@r-pupz7032 A single cop in my general area is a bigger threat to my life than any animal I've encountered, regardless of me following the law. I am *not* going to be able to think very clearly after being taken hostage, being forced into robbing a bank while wearing a bomb on my neck, and cop's guns aimed on me.

[@lonelyloser9376]

@@XXMatt0040XXI don’t know ever encounter a polar bear, those are pretty scary

[@TheStripeTailedFiend]

@@lonelyloser9376 Norway moment

[@tyzilla87]

He was most def told to say that

[@GippyHappy]

Often times we hear about supposed "unsolved mysteries" and come to the conclusion some killers are simply to clever to be caught, but the real serial killer was police incompetence all along.

[@JoseHerrerawl]

It’a crazy how often killers are caught and then released…

[@TimPool.BeanieCivilWarlord]

Biggest problem is that a lot of people either don’t cooperate with investigators or they just make stuff up to get attention and clog up the investigation. It’s really hard to get reliable witnesses with viable info that contributes to or is a solid lead.

[@Lady_Amelia-Eloise]

Police aren’t incompetent

[@Lady_Amelia-Eloise]

@@JoseHerrerawl no there not, serial killers end up with life in prison

[@mimilopmemes7915]

@@Lady_Amelia-Eloise what world do you live in?

[@Polymathically]

I remember watching reports about this on the news back then. It's still the most insane case I've ever seen. I was in the banking industry for almost 20 years, much of which as an operations supervisor, vault keeper, and auditor. Over the years, people have asked me if I was ever tempted to do a bank vault heist, given my knowledge of how the security and logistics would work. I always said no; pulling off a heist like that is hard enough, and _getting away with it_ would be even worse. I've written whole essays about how it would fail miserably. Lesson of the day, kids: Don't try to do a vault heist. The movies lie to you; it's nowhere near as easy as it looks. If you ever want to see the most realistic vault heist in movie history, watch Dog Day Afternoon; they fail almost _immediately._

[@TrippyTheShroom]

Yup, my first job out of school was working at a local bank. I actually worked the computers at night and from 7-9pm I was the only person on the entire property. The vault had two codes, one which was a fake and another that was legit. I knew both. I went into it almost every day, saw the money, etc. One day I went in and counted 10 million dollars in $100 bills while they locked it behind me. EVEN WITH ALL THIS... I would absolutely never consider it and not even once in the entire time I was there did the thought even remotely cross my mind. The amount of security even at that bank, which by no means was state of the art, would result in issues almost immediately.

[@rainer8137]

Hmm that’s just what the banks want you to think🤨

[@chaoticcatartist]

Isn't their like a number code on the money anyway makeing it useless. I oy know about it cuz of the guy who hiested a plane and jumpped out with the money

[@bl00dlikewayne]

if the government will send IRS agents to your house to shoot your dog and grandma because you owe them a quarter, imagine what lengths they'd go to to find you if you intentionally stole $250,00 from them.

[@devonesq.7533]

@@chaoticcatartist yup, the bank documents all that, even if you did get away with it, you wouldn't be able to spend the money, unless you laundered it in a third world country, or something else silly like that.

[@BoogerBoy1027]

Barnes saying "he was waiting to take the money for the pizza" was a freudian slip where he was saying what actually occured. In my book that fully clears brian from being involved.

[@JadeEyes1]

My brother lived in Erie for three years while he did his residency. He and his co-workers regularly ordered from the pizzeria where Wells worked; he said if you ask them about Bryan Wells, they'll ask you to leave. My brother also personally showed us the television tower where Diehl-Armstrong and Barnes put the bomb collar around Wells' neck, and the parking lot where the explosion happened. (The bank is now an outpatient clinic of some sort.)

[@G_FRE]

I live about an hour and a half east in Warren, where Bryan was from. Nobody really likes to talk about it here.

[@HeatherHolt]

I’m surprised a lot of people remember it after all this time… maybe if it’s a small town and that’s the only really big thing that’s ever happened there? But seems like people forget stuff real quick. I live in Nashville and people have already forgotten about the guy that blew himself up in an RV in the middle of downtown around Christmas just a couple years ago while playing a weird announcement over an intercom a half hour before the bomb went off. They fixed the buildings and road where it happened, and it never gets brought up anymore. Maybe in this case, people are divided on the who and why and so it almost becomes an urban legend as to what happened to this Brian guy.

[@seunoo]

why do they ask you to leave ?

[@chettlar212]

@@seunoo you serious?

[@livirich1]

@@HeatherHolt I remember that happening. None of that story made a lot of sense..

[@thylings]

I'm a lifelong Erie resident, and your commentary on Bill is spot on, specifically the points about the reason for his call to the police. He was genuinely very intelligent and clever - my uncle knew him through Cathedral Prepatory school and that was also his theory pretty early on, in that he had a veryyy specific reason for setting up an unaliving scenario and attaching Wells to him and Marjorie.

[@watchdev9446]

Any other details on the ‘Fractured Intellectuals’ ?

[@collinhudson3878]

Prep grad?

[@dropdeaddrawing]

@@watchdev9446 sorry to butt in but i worked at a coffie shop in Erie that they would meet at perhaps 3 or 5 times. Bill was the weirdest of them for sure. I wonder now where he got clean at cause they didnt smell like a hoarder by any means. THey were all sorta dicks tbh

[@watchdev9446]

@@dropdeaddrawing how would you describe the town to someone that’s never been through PA? Did you grow up there?

[@elijahandrae8012]

@WatchDev As someone who's grown up in Erie, it's not a great town. I've heard it referred to as mini Detroit. Tom Segura has a great take on the 2 bears 1 cave podcast on the town if you want a great firsthand visitor reaction

[@emilybarclay8831]

From what I’ve seen from this, I think Marg and Rothstein did this as a trial run, planning to eventually make Marg’s dad do it (hence why it was intentionally unsurvivable, she REALLY hated her dad) and because the two of them were full blown narcissists and drug addicts they genuinely believed it would go off without a hitch and they won’t get caught. Rothstein then realise they were in over their heads and chose to cozy up with the police to get off as lightly as possible, and the rest of the group just fell apart

[@m.k.738]

The police showed more compassion towards the bomb than they did Brian Wells.

[@cooldude5947]

Bill Rothstein was a substitute teacher at the high school I attended. I can remember students calling him "santa-clause." Of course, this was well before the pizza bomber incident. Crazy times.

[@LizLuvsCupcakes]

Man, that's gotta be like, "finding out your elementary school teacher wound up the dictator of Italy during WWII" in terms of weird shit that happened to your teachers.

[@capricehollis1372]

He was my shop teacher back in the days.. 814

[@Necromancer0225]

That's crazy

[@kylienielsen6975]

I was wondering what he did for work, giving I imagine being a hoarder isn't cheap

[@anusername8350]

@@kylienielsen6975 depends on what you hoard

[@gdlpe05]

My interpretation of as to why Jessica suddenly contacted the documentary makers about Brian not having involvement is because perhaps there was a genuine threat that existed from Margerie or somebody else that if she were to tell the truth she would suffer, and that that threat would no longer exist now that Margerie is dead.

[@zerotakis]

My interpretation is that Jessica is on crack. Crack doesn't always lead to the wisest decisions.

[@sakiamira]

I dont blame her knowing Margarine is such a crazy b+ch. And yes I spelled her name that because her name keeps saying margarine in my mind

[@haileyjohnson6534]

true i agree

[@stalinsoulz7872]

Margerie may have some dirt or would wail enough to drag Jessica in. Jessica is still guilty of pitching brian or the last person to See him well. And since margerie was still alive and would flail around to drag anyone to save her ass that was a genuine dirt to be flung at Jessica the moment she spoke. Margerie is basically having the American Psycho Syndrome. If you have elaborate murder you have they bragging rights that you wanna scream but can't. So when bill died she wanted the cathartic sensation of Telling how you got away with it.

[@sdgundum990]

It makes perfect sense that Jessica may want to set things right once everyone involved was dead so that no one would retaliate against her. If she believes she had his son and that he was innocent, why not confess when you know you and the kid are safe?

[@kylienielsen6975]

She's still admitting to getting an innocent man in a bank heist

[@sedmikrasky.]

@@kylienielsen6975 I believe what OP meant with setting things right is clearing up that Brian was in fact an innocent, not her trying to atone personally for involving him.

[@JannaJackson1021]

Something I believe is mentioned in Evil Genius but wasn’t covered here is that Brian was known for loving puzzles/scavenger hunts. He strikes me as a vulnerable adult who was manipulated into something horrible.

[@RaceTheAce77]

Hey Wendigoon, I grew up in Erie Pennsylvania but was too young to understand what happened when all this went down. Peach Street, Eye Glass World, the McDonald's and even the street where Brian lived are all familiar to me. Its insane to see something like this happen through archived footage and going, "Yup, I've been there" or "Yup, my friend from grade school lives on that street". Its never brought up very often though. Its pretty unanimous that the town wants to forget this tragedy ever happened

[@Notpineapple]

As someone who also grew up in Erie, I totally can relate

[@G_FRE]

I take my dad up there for eye appointments regularly and the Imperial Buffet by Sam's Club is nowhere near as good as the Old Country Buffet that used to be there. It's surprising this happened right in the same center.

[@kylecline5975]

Danm now I miss the old country buffet again

[@wealldead]

Shouldn’t completely forget somthing happens that’s how history repeats it self

[@zeallust8542]

@@wealldead Bro, this isn't the kind of case where "history repeats itself" lmfao

[@alyssad990]

Despite the seemingly scary or depressing aspects of some of what Wendigoon covers, the delivery is so well-done that it makes you feel like he's just informally telling a story directly to you, but at the same time one that has been carefully thought out with interesting takes and full of well-done research.

[@-BUGZ-]

He’s definitely a hardworking, detailed genius. This video was delivered flawlessly!

[@Scythe.502]

Makes his videos great to sleep/nap too :)

[@Parzivle]

This reminds me of another case I may have heard from you actually. A dude walked out onto a crosswalk completely legally and gets hit by a city bus. All the eyewitnesses claim that he was jaywalking but when cctv footage was finally recovered it was revealed that he was crossing completely legally. Something about how people want to believe that bad things only happen to bad people so it couldnt possibly happen to them

[@vespernight4236]

It's a baffling response I see to a lot of victims of drug related crimes. Like ppl will think it's 'deserved' bc in their minds drugs are bad and if you do them, od-ing or dying bc of drug related crimes is YOUR fault and therefore you must've been a bad person to 'deserve' that kind of ending. I'm reminded of a crime video that I belive Disturbian covered where a woman who was connected to a lot of shady drug rings, and scammed a dangerous drug lord, was slowly tortured and had limbs chopped of by shears. And the comments were filled with weirdos going off about how 'she got what was coming to her' bc she wasn't a good person and scammed someone she knew was dangerous. It's...scary tbh. See it alot with disability issues too, with pundits going off about why should they care about the state of disability accessibility issues in cities. Like benches being taken away bc of homeless ppl. Or anti homeless/drug abuse architecture hampering accessibility, as if bc they aren't 1 bad car accident away from being disabled themselves (which shouldn't matter as to why they should care but it ties into the hatred and crimilization of homelessness as well)

[@ajjohnson3497]

“I know what I saw!” No, no you don’t. You know what you remember, and that shit is far from infallible.

[@Only_Sleep]

I can’t believe the FBI didn’t try to manipulate Bill by playing on his “smarter than you” attitude. “Oh, you didn’t have anything to do with it? Figures. You didn’t seem like you could anyways. I bet you wouldn’t even know where to start.”

[@ironidol]

Underrated comment

[@HumbledSlave]

They showed most of the suspect interrogation footages except this. I wonder why!

[@cyborgcatrj6794]

Er, one more thing…

[@HiranoMagu]

I had a neighbour who had the same attitude as Brian (Very kind, hardworking, always displayed optimism), so hearing that he was just coerced into all of this is just depressing. It must have been tough for his family members and friends to hear these outlandish lies.

[@ShadowKnight-es3tb]

I think Jessica was genuinely consumed with guilt seeing this image of Brian painted. Who she supposedly had a more friendly relationship with and was indirectly responsible for his death, trying to make up for her past actions.

[@donovincable5842]

So when it comes to Jessica hoopsick she's been in and out of institutions pretty much her whole life she was addicted to drugs at a very young age and if legend is to be believed or rumor she even sold her own daughter to get drugs I don't know how true that is but it's one of the things that I've heard locally the saddest thing about Jessica's part in the whole incident was the fact that at any point she could have warned Brian she could have warned him at any point during them knowing each other because not everything about the case is televised or well known outside of the local people and she knew what she was doing she was corrupted obviously her mind was clouded by drugs and in the end yes she did kind of regret what happened and she did hate herself for what happened.

[@stephenurli2466]

Samsa pfp, hell yeah

[@christopherlowery3797]

@@donovincable5842 hey, just a heads up…there’s this thing called “punctuation”, & this cool facet of it is using this symbol -> . called a period. Without it, your comments come off a little illegible and hard to make sense of. Give it a shot, you’ll likely enjoy the results it produces!

[@donovincable5842]

@@christopherlowery3797 well since you want to comment on my diction and lack of grammar I am using text to speech which makes it very difficult for me to add punctuation and other stuff while I'm at work it'll turn a 1-minute post into a five-minute post adding all the punctuation so therein lies why it reads like a massive run-on sentence thanks for the grammar lesson oh and since you want to let you know, that my grammar you do realize that although it is allowed it is highly frowned upon to use a preposition at the end of a sentence you know like of. So maybe you should try practicing what you preach when it comes to grammar huh bud

[@donovincable5842]

@@christopherlowery3797 as well as I believe the term you're looking for is the cool facet of it is using this cool facet you see that's another grammar mistake you made also in your very first sentence your hey is not capitalized pretty sure it's supposed to be capitalized tho.

[@oskarrasmussen7137]

The Perfectly Cut Scream at 29:54 is probably an accurate representation for the investigators for the entire duration of this mad house.

[@Nick-ur6jw]

This legitimately scared the S*** out of me. Terrified

[@easongoldman1011]

Wendigoon jumpscare

[@JulioHernandez-wy8nh]

@@easongoldman1011 typical Wendigoon W

[@thatpedanticcommenter5847]

It cracked me up so much for no reason that I replayed it four times.

[@gwgh]

@@thatpedanticcommenter5847 SAME!!!

[@bloomsux69]

I remember seeing the documentary when it first showed on Netflix. I was blown away by the sheer complexity of the crime and just how many people were involved. The footage of Brian getting blown up is still seared into my brain. Thank you for doing a full length video on this !!

[@Luke-xi2pq]

Wendigoon is easily one of the greatest rising content creators on KZbin. His videos are what this platform needs!!!

[@tobythompson199x]

I highly recommend the channel The Why Files

[@bullseye5202]

He get's at least a million views on every video he uploads, every bit of it well-deserveed

[@Luke-xi2pq]

@@bullseye5202 100 percent! I hope he only grows even more in the future!

[@eugenehatin.420]

Gonna be the next Mr B Allen

[@infesting]

Rising? I think he has risen along time ago

[@noidentitynoname1256]

As an Erie native I have heard quite a bit about this attack, my father even knew Brian in passing it's quite an interesting in depth case, hearing such familiar names such as peach street and mama Mia's pizza is so cool! Thank you wendigoon

[@IR_Chaz]

Kinda crazy how many times my family drove down that road next to Eyeglass World to bypass the intersection coming out of the Sam's Club plaza.

[@adensavko2374]

Ikr!! It’s not often people even mention our part of the country lol

[@pykeplayer4007]

@@adensavko2374 it’s crazy how everyone in Erie knows it for the weather being shit but the rest of America only knows about the Pizza Bombing

[@jaredcostello9782]

ngl everyone in this story feels like the most western Pennsylvania people to possibly exist

[@gagehagerty3046]

@@IR_Chaz ik weird ass feeling going by there, tho I was born at st Vincent a few months after the incident

[@lyras.9161]

I remember BuzzFeed Unsolved covering this case. It's so... weird. Whatever theory turns out to be true, it still feels like something out a b-level heist movie.

[@kirbyis4ever]

Reality is stranger than fiction! You really can't write this stuff - an inevitable bomb, a bunch of the people not talking about it for YEARS, a treasure hunt, and a dude dead in a freezer.

[@tehfoxxy9630]

That twist on the Unsolved video was such a nice drop

[@dantallionmccrews3822]

That's probably why people actually made a b movie heist movie out of the story.

[@shrekingwald]

"30 minutes or less" 2011 Seems like this is based on this case to me: Nick (Jesse Eisenberg) is a pizza deliverer who lives a fairly ordinary, boring life -- until he crosses paths with two aspiring criminal masterminds (Danny McBride, Nick Swardson), who kidnap him, strap a bomb to his chest and force him to rob a bank for them. Nick doesn't get much time to pull off the difficult task, so he enlists the aid of Chet (Aziz Ansari), his estranged pal. As time ticks away, Nick and Chet face many obstacles, not the least of which is their volatile relationship

[@lalalarose8197]

Rather rude to say considering an innocent man ended up dead.

[@M8V3N187]

One thing I wanna point out is, if Brian, sitting on the ground with a bomb strapped to his neck & minutes away from dying was still concerned about his boss thinking he was “goofing off” and trying to get cops to call him instead of focusing on the problem at hand I see how it could be very easy for all parties involved to manipulate him. They could’ve simply said “do as we say or we’ll kill your other cat” or something like that and that would be enough to make him comply, sad

[@ph03nixflame]

It's pretty dang impressive that you seem to always choose such fantastic subjects to cover. This story has always been one of the nuttier ones. I really appreciate the intense, cohesive, coverage.

[@ishabooo]

Not like it wasn't already on Netflix stating all of this lol.

[@sannwa900]

One thing that stands out to me and confirms Brian was a victim is all the notes around town and puzzles. Why go through will all that writing and effort when the guy with the bomb was in on it? I guess they could be bored and just wanted to play games with him or something i dunno. But to me thats another thing pointing to innocence.

[@harz632]

The bomb was planned to be a false lead to make him seem innocence, that doesn't really work if there never was any notes for him to follow.

[@sannwa900]

@@harz632 Never thought of it that way. Makes sense

[@ananthropomorphictalkinggo6641]

Ive noticed that whenever law enforcement fails someone, whether it's shooting an unarmed person or not rendering aid to save a life, their first response is to drag the persons name and reputation through the mud for some reason.

[@jded_404]

It's so that they can save PR probably; so that it doesn't look like they murdered an innocent person

[@MustardMouse8288]

29:47 You're welcome, I know you wanted to see this clip again

[@malekithsilverheart2357]

This comment needs pinned. Thank you good sir.

[@TankHardcheese]

I think the best way to describe this whole ordeal is "stranger than fiction." It sounds way too crazy to be true, but it is. Like, it sounds like something out of a Dean Koontz novel or something.

[@letspretendsomemore]

As I recall from the documentary Evil Genius, Jessica came forward because in addition to her friendship with Wells their relationship turned romantic before he died and now she has a child by him (who’d be 9 by now) so I imagine when Margery attacked her probably she said something mean about Brian and the guilt brought out her confession to admit his innocence

[@shadycatz85]

i imagine if she was pregnant at the time of brian's death, she likely stayed silent to stay with her child, but likely lost the child when she [the child] was older due to the drug charges anyway, and then the attack by margery brought it all back and she went 'fuck it'.

[@folklore_of_beth]

Jessica is a prostitute, not a friendship that turned romantic. She was paid for sex and that’s how she got pregnant

[@dayne6475]

I doubt she was that kind of women, I reckon she just did it out of spite for Margery

[@madelinewilson1128]

I grew up knowing ALL about this case because my grandparents literally lived 15 mins from this bank! It’s so insane to me that this is as viral as it is!

[@jenny-zn5gh]

Bro that's crazy. My dads side of the family lives up in Erie Pa. I'll have to ask them if they know about this(I'm sure they do lol because this story is wild.) I can't imagine living so close to something like this.

[@b00biejingles]

This was kind of a big story or at least it was talked about when it happened because I remember hearing about it as an 11 year old. Hearing all of the details now is crazy but I'm glad Wendigoon covered it.

[@kman9884]

Bill was likely pulling one over on Marjorie this whole time. Even as a “follower” of her plan he didn’t give Brian enough time to complete more than one task, likely dying in the woods, where Bill was rolling up in his van.

[@jean14256]

I think it's possible he planned to get the money from Brian in the woods and then leave him to try and get to the next clue, which wasn't there, at which point the bomb would have detonated already. But it's clear the his and Marjorie's goals didn't align and I wonder if they really talked too much about what Rothstein was planning, where it's obvious he focused on making it into a game to show how smart he was and didn't really care about making sure they got the money.

[@celthric38]

Wendigoon is the only guy I can watch/listen without any fancy edit or jokes. Very well spoken man.

[@tobythompson199x]

Beau of the fifth column. Very different type of content tho.

[@RealTroyE23]

Serious question... are you saying that you cant watch/listen to anything just because it doesnt have jokes or tons of editing?

[@celthric38]

@@RealTroyE23 fck. Hahahah. I may have worded this incorrectly. I mean he can just talk without fancy edits/jokes and still keep it interesting. Does that make sense? My bad

[@dakota5432]

@@RealTroyE23 yes

[@The_Broddha]

Another born, raised, and resident of Erie here. Thank you so much for covering this insane tragedy and providing your flair on it! I was too young to remember too much of it. Although Brian's final moments sitting against the car behind him was a moment that couldn't be forgotten

[@mrsalmon7057]

Yeah, crazy time. My father lived in Erie for a good while and he recalls passing by the same PizzaHut during the time. Just crazy something like that happened in little ol' Erie

[@Notpineapple]

Someone who has also grown up in Erie, my father has told me some more about this story. My dads friend, his uncle was the person who called the pizza delivery

[@MayBee15]

Currently in my second year of university studying Forensic Science and yes. The reason why many cases are unsolved or people are wrongfully convicted is often due to officers not having been taught the right science and procedures, leading to crime scenes being contaminated, evidence being lost or dismissed or officers getting tunnel vision to the point where everything seems to point towards one person (except it doesn't actually). It's a really huge issue that people in the field are desperately trying to change. I'm in Canada so idk about the US but generally, they are trying to hire more people now with science backgrounds to become officers or to fill citizen roles that assist officers.

[@zacharypederson6816]

EMS here. Sorry for ruining your crime scene, but my patient is slightly more important than your investigation.

[@MayBee15]

@@zacharypederson6816 haha yes, of course any potential lives that could be saved come first. But whilst that can't really be prevented, there's lots of evidence to show improper handling of crime scenes after emergency personnel have left. Even just keeping in mind that the scene *has* been contaminated is important in order to not draw incorrect conclusions.

[@Lauren007E]

As an older and slightly more experienced forensic scientist I feel the need to offer the police one out on this, the first responders immediate concern is to protect lives even at the expense of valuable evidence. If a 'smoking gun' is lost but a life is saved then that's worth it in every single case. No one wants evidence if it means someone barely hanging on is ignored to perish. There is also the fact that police aren't always the first on scene. In most cases. Witness(es), the perpetrator(s), the victim(s) can all contaminate the scene even before any Cops arrive and also some scenes might just be unable to be secured for long, main street in new York City isn't going to be closed down for more than an hour at most. And some crime scenes could be contaminated by nature itself, animals, the nature of the evidence(its persistence and transferability), foot traffic or even forensic analysts (because sadly yes even we make mistakes, we're only humans). The prosecutor's fallacy is a strong reason for some cases to fail since the Cops are usually biased, they know all manner of unsavoury people and they might genuinely believe this person is who they're looking for so they'll focus in or in the worst case scenario just see an excuse to put away some scumbag they don't want to deal with for a while. But that's less of an issue in my country at least since the Forensics department is separated from the police, we don't work for them to prove their theories- as analysts it's not our job to solve the crime at all honestly, we just provide the evidence to the people who do. A lot of issues in forensic science are addressed in papers such as the Sydney papers where thanks to cop shows and cowboys in America Forensics really only has 1 element of analysis that is a true science with absolutely no subjectivity to it and that's DNA analysis(16 alleles is thw global standard, if it all or even just mostly correlates its considered a 'match' although if you're still in school let me just warn you never say match in industry lol). Everything else has guess work and isn't fool proof. Can you honestly say to a jury that no one else in the world has those fingerprints? That that glass evidence for sure came from that exact source? No you can't. You can only give the liklihood ratio, Bayesian theorem or probability of it and explaining statistics to a jury of laymen can lead to an awful lot of confusion. Espcially since law and science dont really mix. We work off of evidence: give me new data and I'll change my mind. Lawyers operate off of history: they need to look back to see what's allowed and work in that frame work. New things need to be funnelled through old dogma. So it's not as simple as Cops aren't trying/prosecution is gonna force their way. The entire system is suboptimal for what it needs to be and I wouldn't be surprised if there isn't a major paradigm shift in the next few years because evidence has been over and understated for a long long time now and some evidence doesn't even have a universal standard. But sadly research on this will be slow because no one wants to fund a paper that determines oh yes everything that is currently the status quo is actually wrong and not very scientific. We need to go back and start again from the ground up.

[@MayBee15]

@@Lauren007E thanks for the insight! what country are you in if you're ok with sharing? And yes, haha the don't say 'match' has been pretty drilled into us at this point. We've looked at the NAS report and the PCAST report over here in Canada among others that focus a lot on discussing the issues in forensic science. Our professors have also said that there will likely be a paradigm shift soon. And yes of course contamination can occur anywhere, especially in outdoor scenes. I think a really big issue is when evidence is contaminated once its already in the hands of police or scientists though. I think, from my perspective as a student, what I hear about a lot is both police officers relying too heavily on their bias and forensic scientists overstating the accuracy of their evidence (specifically in court). I always love to hear from more experienced forensic scientists in the field though, it's always interesting to see how these issues are being worked through in the field as I study it.

[@johnberry9913]

That's what scares me about dna profiling. If your DNA is found at a crime scene and no other solid evidence leads to another suspect, you are toast.

[@pouncypupper8782]

as someone who's worked for several years at multiple different assisted living facilities. I genuinely think the characteristics and behaviors of Brian Wells, those you described, sounds extremely similiar to traits common in those with unspecificied developmental dissorders. Nothing wrong with that in itself, but it would explain why he was targeted, such people can be extremely vulnerable to being manipulated and exploited. He might not have found anything strange about delivering pizza to an abandoned place or seen the signs of dangers as suspicious for example.

[@UnravelingThreads]

Being an Erie native, I felt obligated to watch this lol In all seriousness, I didn't realize how baffling and deep the plot of this incident went. It's bananas. I hear stories from friends about it. Particularly how a couple of buddies of mine had been riding in a car near the bank as kids and recall hearing the explosion from the bomb going off. Really unsettling stuff.

[@MausoleumParty17]

I lived in Erie for Several years and ended up working at this pizza place as a delivery driver for a few months. It was really sad seeing people come by and take pictures and act like it was some crazy fun thing to document. Like a bucket list wonder or something. We would tell them they were so disrespectful. I hated how people brought it up all the time. You could tell who wasn't a local.

[@fem_crusader]

Nice to see some other people from Erie

[@JadeEyes1]

@@MausoleumParty17 My brother lived in Erie for three while he did his residency. He and his co-workers used to order take out from the place all the time.

[@adambrukardt5455]

I was at working down the street from the incident when it happened.

[@UnravelingThreads]

@@MausoleumParty17 Damn, that is morbid. Sorry you had to deal with those assholes, man

[@DILFDylF]

About the "measuring his neck for the collar" thing... they designed the collar to be similar to handcuffs, in that you tighten it incrementally until it's stuck on as tightly as you want it. It wasn't tailor made for him. Whether he was involved or not, they didn't need to measure shit. If something is reasonably tight around the neck, it's not going to be able to move up and over the jaw and base of the skull. It's like saying you have to measure a noose. It's like that in more ways than one...

[@DILFDylF]

Also why THE FUCK didn't Rothstein get any charges for storing the body of a murder victim and destroying the firearm used to kill them? He literally admits to being paid to commit multiple (what I assume to be) felonies, which I assume is also an additional felony, and the stupid pigs are like "Nah, it's fine." Is the fat, hoarder, pseudo-intellectual really that much smarter than the cops? I guess that's a stupid question. Also one more thing about the cops... When they were told to start looking for black men to arrest, there's some sort of joke to be made about "So... business as usual, then?"

[@LibertyMonk]

Yeah, he covered that in the beginning but never mentioned it again. It's an easy lie to tell if designing the collar to be a snug fit on any neck wasn't a source of pride.

[@BrennanCh06]

The biggest argument in favor of believing jessica is that if she's telling the truth she implicated herself. There's just something about that that doesn't make any sense to lie about. There's literally no reason to come forward after all that time and make something up that puts you in legal danger. But if she really felt guilty...

[@handsoaphandsoap]

I think it was probably just weighing on her and she felt she needed to finally come forward. It’s also possible that she’s gone on the straight and narrow and is therefore of a more sound mind, as in not on drugs. She could also be going through rehab where one of the major steps is to apologize for your past behavior, so perhaps she felt like she had to officially come forward for her part in this.

[@casseroledootdoot407]

I even wonder if Jessica’s confession came as a way to “hurt” Marjorie- it happened after a fight (with someone as annoying as Marjorie), and she had the information to suddenly hit Marjorie with a higher charge of murder. She may have kept all this to herself initially due to guilt/implication that could have gotten her arrested, but snapped after the fight

[@intercoursehandguns851]

​@@casseroledootdoot407That's what I thought but if you see her in the confession she's crying the entire time. Whatever the reasoning that got her to initially admit it, payback definitely wasn't the MAIN motivation there.

[@finnl6887]

To paint him in a different picture for their child who would by then be of age to start learning about their past. It's as good a motive as any

[@LordScrambles]

There are MANY reasons she could have lied about Brian’s involvement. Brian was being portrayed as a perpetrator in the crime that got him killed. If Jessica really though of herself as a friend to Brian, it is not out of the question that she could have made up the story to comfort Brian’s family.

[@theafterqlow9582]

I grew up in Erie and this case is always incredibly interesting to me. My grandparents knew the guy who built the bomb REALLY well. I don’t want to say too much to reveal personal infromation, but he helped them with electrical work in their house. It’s crazy to hear people outside of Erie talking about this case, because there’s so many little stories you can hear from locals.

[@twistedthe1]

What 👀

[@themightylog2169]

If this is true then goddamn this case has some lore

[@luxborealis]

@@themightylog2169 There’s also another Erie commenter saying he used to be a shop class teacher at the local high school and used to date her mother’s friend.

[@HumbledSlave]

Why don't you guys report it to the police? I don't think you know anything.

[@theafterqlow9582]

@@HumbledSlave well you see humbledslave the case is already solved and is over a decade old so why would we report anything

[@deadcaliph6414]

Basically, Marjorie ordered Ken to do a hit on her father for his (assumed extant) inheritance plan. Ken requires a certain amount of cash and requested his drug customer, Jessica, to find someone easily manipulated enough to rob on their behalf to cover their own tracks. Jessica informed Ken of her own customer Brian and gave him his Pizza delivery schedule to kidnap him. Ken relayed this with Marjorie, who relayed this with Bill. Bill, wanting a plan to ensure their involvement to the robbery remains hidden, created a bomb trap for Brian to wear and to follow a set of rules with the promise to save his life. In actuality, it was designed to make sure he dies far away from the scene of the crime, as to never be able to confess who held him hostage. Realizing the proximity of himself and Marjories location relative to Brian's last-known Pizza delivery stop. Bill confessed to a prior murder of Jim Roden committed by Marjorie the month before the robbery. Brian did so in order to draw more attention to Marjorie's murder of Jim before she get's interviewed first and potentially admits to the robbery Bill was involved. The police, not familiar with Bill's character in relation to the bomb device and the overly complicated "guides" instructed to Brian, was let go for a while. He was only under investigation again while in hospice care due to cancer. After Marjorie inevitably implicates Bill to the robbery. When FBI tried to make sense of this, most of the heist accomplices constructed a narrative that Brian and his co-worker, who died from an accidental overdose, as having been directly involved, realizing that to say the bomb went off unintentionally on a willing participant looks better for their sentencing than to say the bomb went off, intentionally, on a hostage coerced to robbing a bank. Jessica confirmed that Brian was not in fact an accomplice, perhaps overwrought with guilt for Brian's death for this robbery-being she likely had no knowledge that they were intent on killing him-and after encountering Marjorie in prison, felt that Brian's murderers were not punished enough for forcing a vulnerable man on a suicide mission.

[@valerieshockley9159]

Why did he lie about who did it to him though? At 10:18 it’s mentioned he said 3 black men held him down and attached the collar. If he didn’t see them do it he would’ve just said he didn’t see them, but he actively lied about it. While I don’t think he was some mastermind or anything it’s just an odd detail?

[@ikaros2033]

@@valerieshockley9159 Wendigoon mentions later in the video that he believes Brian,out of fear for his life, went along with the lie he was fed by Marjorie and claimed it was 3 black men who kidnapped him. I’m assuming Brian did it cause he had no way of knowing if the bomb would detonate the moment he confessed who actually kidnapped him to the police, so he stuck with the lie to the very end, which is unfortunate.

[@milkywaysproductions]

@@valerieshockley9159 If you have a bomb strapped to your neck, I don't think the right response to give to the police when they asked who did it is "I didn't see them" that just doesn't make sense.

[@pumpkin_leaf]

@@milkywaysproductions Brain probably said what he did because remember Marjorie + co. Told him they would be watching him to make sure he was doing what he was supposed to. He probably thought if he said what Marjorie wanted him to say it wouldn’t go off prematurely.

[@APromisePast]

@@valerieshockley9159 Who's to say he was lying? If he was ambushed and legitimately didn't get a good view of his attackers, he might have simply made a bad assumption - given the planned nature of the entire heist, perhaps his attackers even put on voices and mannerisms to make him think they were black just in case something went horribly wrong and he had the chance to speak with the police.

[@Prizm17]

The best part in my opinion is the “this has nothing to do with the Brian wells case” i was dead when that M. Night Shyamalan level twist hit me in the throat

[@sasha1mama]

This case has it all. A bank robbery, a bomb collar with a timed scavenger hunt before it goes boom, an abandoned radio station that may or may not have been the temporary lair of a pair of schizoid wingnuts with severe antisocial disorders who built the bomb - it's like something out of Fallout. Also, 29:50 - perfectly cut. XD

[@2ndTooth]

Sounds like Erie... Pennsylvania has a very odd assortment of characters, as much as I dislike living here it's never boring lol

[@catboy6451]

It's literally out of Fallout. There's a New Vegas DLC where a bomb collar is slapped on you and you're forced to do a heist

[@HydraLlamas]

There's also a movie called 30 minutes or less that is incredibly similar though people who worked on it claimed not to know much about the case

[@captain6545]

@@HydraLlamasi was thinking of this movie while watching this video, it makes sense how they didn’t know much. I haven’t watched it in a bit but I think most of the plot is just a pizza driver gets a bomb vest strapped to him and he’s forced to rob a bank. Which is like 80% of the whole case but it’s like the general information so it makes sense they didn’t know much about it

[@HydraLlamas]

@@captain6545 yeah the main villain of the movie is also trying to kill his father but overall seems mostly coincidental.

[@issan7]

I watched this episode on Forensic Files. They even showed the moment when he got blown up and I was so horrified that I stopped watching crime docs for awhile

[@Aleph-Noll]

wendigoon was very kind in how he said it, and of course i dont know brian closely or anything but from what ive seen and how i understood things happening it seems very clear that he was mentally deficient in some ways and was taken advantage of in this situation.

[@sms9070]

i like how this story quickly turned from serious and scary to genuine comedy

[@haleymarie16]

Idk if you ever heard of the movie “30 minutes or less” but the movie has basically the same plot.

[@LegalizeTheNuclearBomb]

I wouldn't call it a comedy if an innocent life was actually lost and Brian wasn't involved in the plan at all. I actually felt a little better knowing he was apart of the plan until Wendigoon digressed.

[@LordVader1094]

Not really

[@PutinsMommyNeverHuggedHim]

@@LegalizeTheNuclearBomb says the edgelord with “legalize the nuclear bomb in bommb” in his user handle. ha. ha

[@perhaps1094]

@@PutinsMommyNeverHuggedHim its just a meme saying going round on the internet because of the rapper jjoey, its not edgy at all

[@Steven-ly9ei]

In Jessica's case let's not discount guilt, something to consider is she did it for crack, and while she was out of prison she would have a supply, people often use drugs to suppress emotions like guilt. Either sober in prison or just generally felt worse about it over time. They were friends right, it's not inconceivable thats a regret. Makes sense to me

[@dstinnettmusic]

Are you 12 or have you just never done drugs in your life? Like…you described the way people use drugs like someone who had never had real adult emotions

[@pixelatedbishop]

@@dstinnettmusic ???

[@Steven-ly9ei]

@David Stinnett neither, I'm not describing why all people do drugs, but drugs are often used to self medicate overwhelming emotions, thays the category I fall into. A nuance that 60 people seemed to understand before you came so calm down ;) it's a theory on a video put your chest away big boy Jesus 🤣

[@emstink]

@@dstinnettmusic Do you think everyone experiences drugs exactly the same way?? It really isn't uncommon for people to use drugs to take their mind off their own mental turmoil. While I never got DEEP into cocaine addiction, when I was younger, I certainly used it far too much to take my mind off the constant impending doom and existential crises I was feeling at the time.

[@dstinnettmusic]

@@emstink I mean yeah, But they don’t think of it that way. Describe it the way OP did just hits as someone who understands these things in the abstract but has never really experienced it.

[@TY-jo4pg]

They way I see it: everyone involved had a reason to include Brian as a conspirator… except Jessica. She actually incriminated herself by sharing the info. I can’t possibly see Brian being involved, at least not knowing the entirety of the plan. With him lying to the police ab the three black men - Jessica said herself that he was easily scared and manipulated, he probably thought that if he even escaped the collar, then he might be killed for ratting.

[@SLLIMM609]

Maybe he was told to say that. That’s what I believe. They probably told him that if asked to say 3 black guys were the culprits

[@Phyrior]

@@SLLIMM609 That's literally what was said in the video. Try to keep up.

[@SLLIMM609]

@@Phyrior it’s said it’s speculated to of been told to him. It’s not confirmed. Keep up hoe

[@milmilmana]

Whether he was involved or not my heart still feels for Brian. I watched the Netflix documentary, and the footage of Brian Wells sitting on the ground with the giant collar around his neck with the bomb beeping and eventually exploding is so incredibly haunting. The Netflix series states that Brian had to have a closed casket at his funeral because his head was cut off, and I really just feel sorry for him and his family that there won’t be any definitive answer towards this case.

[@JasonLihani]

Please do a doc on the Norco Shootout. You'd have one of the only ones on KZbin, other than a literal police training tape that functions like a documentary from the police POV. It's just as insane as North Hollywood. They even downed a police helicopter.

[@mirandanajarro]

i've lived in IE my whole life and had never heard of this. looked it up and am now hoping Wendigoon does look into it

[@HannaBerrry]

I'm saving this comment to research later

[@joshbell8596]

Please

[@UnityAgainstJewishEvil]

That’s a good suggestion, get this comment more likes. 👍

[@Mankorra_Gomorrah]

It wouldn’t be the only one, PoPoMedic has a very good video on the shooting

[@chadmunson6538]

Born, raised, and still resident of Erie. Absolutely delighted to hear you cover this. Literally JUST got home from showing a friend your video on the Mystery Flesh Pit National Park, only to see this notification. Outstanding.

[@scorch4299]

fuck is wrong with you people!

[@stellaflowers301]

After watching the Netflix documentary, I couldn't not imagine a scenario where Bill Rothstein knows he's going to die, so as a final, spiteful act, he outs the woman who's been manipulating him his whole life, leading to the incarceration of both her and all the people Bill committed the bank heist with, all right before he kicks the bucket. On the way out, I think Bill decided to kick the hornets nest, both as revenge and as a way to show how much smarter he was than everyone else, even after his death

[@irishzepher]

bro just drops 400 pounds of butter without laughing

[@tahlia__nerds_out]

Don’t forget about the pounds of cheese found there too. Apparently Marjorie was setting herself up to be in competition with the government’s stash of cheese…

[@s0vnds]

1:21:04 the fact that you doubted yourself at the end here astounded me. I'd heard a telling of this case a few years back but it didn't nearly cover the details of the people behind this tragedy. Thanks for another amazing vid goon

[@greteb1951]

Just watched Eleanor Neale’s video on this, still gets me how quickly this guy went from having a normal day to a bomb around his throat. Terrifying.

[@tori9557]

Eh, he was originally in on it so it wasn’t exactly a normal day.

[@theblackcatgirl7013]

I saw the Buzzfeed video about this guy. I didn't know that Eleanor covered this too.

[@rhinovirus2225]

@@MikePerreman even if he was a co conspirator all the conspirators would be charged with murder since he died in the act of or as a consequence of a felony robbery

[@scorch4299]

he was likely in on it. and thought bomb was fake. he said 2 black guys put it on him and there seem to be none in this case. also, hes pretty relaxed while robbing the bank, likely because he thinks everyone will think hes a victim. The guy doesnt seem very bright at all. He was also using the shotgun cane that Bill likely made.

[@himesilva]

I think it makes a lot of sense that Jessica didn't come forward. They never had enough to try and charge her and let her slip away whenever trying to question her. It's harder than you'd think to reopen a case, especially when the only evidence is her testimony. So why would she come forward? She probably got pissed and wanted to screw Marjorie over.

[@FirstnameLastname-sx3wg]

I moved to erie a few years ago and heard about this many times through my school years. I am now a young adult who has just started a family. This is the first time I actually heard the full case through and I find it wicked that I essentially live just down the road of the abandoned radio station where it all began and have visited the pnc, the McDonald's, and the eyeglass store involved many times.

[@KennedyKay88]

I grew up there and moved away as soon as I was 18 in 2006, what would ever make you choose to move there??

[@KennedyKay88]

Additional question: what year/age were you when this happened as opposed to the year/age you were when you moved to Erie?

[@KennedyKay88]

And just to reiterate my initial question; WHY TF WOULD YOU EVER CHOOSE TO MOVE TO ERIE PA?!?! It’s called “dreary Erie” and “the mistake on the lake” for good reason

[@KennedyKay88]

I live in Hawaii now, for about 5 years, and I’d legitimately rather be homeless here than ever move back to absolutely anywhere in the same time zone as Erie Pa or even the entire state of Pennsylvania, like can we all just agree it’s a depressing af place to be where no one should ever want or have to live

[@FirstnameLastname-sx3wg]

@@KennedyKay88 if it were my decision, I would have my family move down south instead. But, my parents were so keen on moving to Erie because of Pennsylvania's special needs education and erie had the despicable Barber Institute (very over-hyped and scandalous institution). I was about 14-15 ish when we moved over and I'm 23 at the moment.

[@scramjet9101]

Two things that still doesn't sit right with me is: (1) If the plan was to profit from the heist, why make Brian's tasks impossible to complete? Wouldn't that all but guarantee they won't be able to get the money? (2) Originally, the narrative was that they planned the heist to get money to kill Margerie's dad, but if you're willing to go through all this work to do so (part of which involves guaranteeing Brian dies) why not just skip the extra steps and just kill the dad outright?

[@canoaslan1011]

EXActly what I was thinking, BEcause the stroy is told like Margery wanted to kill her dad, so they robbed a bank and killed brian to go forward from there. that bitch would of found a coupla grand to get the hit done no problem.

[@taintwasher3703]

because they were dumb crackheads who learned how to make a pipe bomb

[@southdraw1017]

I guess that killing Brian off would lessen witnesses, and leave him in a location that is easy for them to get the money and leave without problem. The second question is what I can think of as margerie making things more complicated than need be, but idk

[@kristaygayle]

I don’t think they were supposed to be impossible, because the bank changed a policy right before the day of the robbery. Otherwise, Brian would’ve been able to get the full amount he needed and it wouldn’t have taken as long. Also, we’re talking about to extremely self-important people who *need* others to know how smart they are

[@scramjet9101]

@@kristaygayle If you watch the whole video, then you know the impossible part is the steps he had to do after the robbery itself, which wouldn't be impacted by changes in bank policy

[@kiki-drawer2669]

What a mess of horrible people. And a mess of a case! It's clear Brian didn't want to die and that's the saddest part of it all. Thank you for that amazing upload! Also the x over the eyes did help me understand the timeline better.

[@adamtrott78]

Please do more crazy true crime shit, the style you do it in is much better imo than most true crime media

[@enterpassword3313]

Check out jcs if you like true crime

[@FenTheGoat1]

I would like to add that the guy who built the bomb was a substitute teacher at a few of the local schools. From my knowledge, he was a substitute teacher at both McDowell high school and Central high school, both schools that aren’t more than 30 minutes away from his hideout

[@bopshi]

have a friend who did 5 years in the state prison with Marjorie, friend said she was the most loud annoying human she’s ever had to share a space with and that most people just try to avoid her altogether. friend said she had a posse of women she hung around with that followed whatever she says / did her bidding (not uncommon in prison with narcissistic people tho).

[@Forgesx]

The real question is: Why did she not go to prison for her first murder? I mean she shot him in his sleep... The fact that he abused her might help her case slightly but wtf!?

[@dankus.memeokus4192]

@@Forgesx u severely underestimate the power of female tears😂 a good enough sob story she's fine

[@sopha985]

I personally believe Brian was on the spectrum or had some other issue - his love for puzzles, diligent worker to an abnormal level, introvertedness, being "dumb", easy to manipulate, dropping out of highschool, etc. which is why he was chosen for the heist.

[@himesilva]

I thought I remember that theory being thrown around by something else I watched too. It does make sense. Only being late one time and even asking the cops to call his boss so he didn't think he was slacking off. Not necessarily proof of ASD but the peculiarities are there

[@JDM-is-my-name]

Honestly, as a person on the spectrum, I could see it. Either he might have been on the spectrum or simply have been not neurotypical, because I can hardcore relate to "please tell my boss I'm not slacking off on purpose"

[@GameBearCartridge]

his landlord mentioning that he would "do a dance" when he was happy immediately struck me as stimming, as another autistic person

[@truffleshuffle314]

I feel bad for the guy now. I have a friend just like him, not the brightest, but loves puzzles and works hard and has a sweet soul.

[@skriddle]

@@JDM-is-my-name ​ same here. :( that part broke my heart in two, seriously. i can so easily imagine myself in his shoes, begging cops to tell my professors i didn’t mean to skip class and that my assignments are done but i couldn’t turn them in on time. made me tear up a little thinking of how scared he was, yet he still found the time to be worried he might inconvenience others by perceived “slacking.” ugh.

[@imtheprofessor]

This is one of my favorite cases ever so glad you’re covering it.

[@ChippGD366]

@Leaked Videos bruh, stfu and stop trying to trick people into giving you views

[@byproductofcheese]

@@dansouthwell6557 ok then?

[@vulcan7307]

If I’m not mistaken Brian Wells also waited in line at the bank before he started demanding money. Just another thing that makes this case even more bizarre.

[@joshuapatrick682]

So the moral of the story is, if a person admits to killing someone in cold blood (IE in their sleep) then letting them walk Scott free is probably going to make them think they’re above the law and can get away with anything…

[@claressadubs]

Anyone dismissing Jessica's story bc "why would you wait so long to say something?" doesn't make sense to me. The "why didn't you say something sooner" criticism never does. There are SO many reasons someone would keep information to themselves for a long time, even as simple as this situation is a mess and I don't want to be involved.

[@DrBiznisGoosePhD]

I am an Erie native and Erie co resident. Honestly I got super giddy when I saw you covered this lol. I knew a couple of them thru work and they were absolutely insane. Breaks my heart. Edit: rothstein was a terrible person. He was a substitute teacher and my husband and I both had him in school and he was cruel to the kids. Also I hope no one gets offended that I got giddy about this. I mean, wendigoon himself is covering this and quite honestly, I’d rather give my money to him for this than Netflix 😊.

[@Janluvspeep]

Wow that is crazy you guys were his students?

[@tamriales]

Cap

[@gagehagerty3046]

Ayye another Erie native

[@KingofCogs1]

Hey fellow Erie native! Super excited that Wendigoon is covering this.