The Bizarre State of Sony's Spider-Man Universe

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After the trailer for Madame Web dropped, I think it is time to talk about Venom, Kraven the Hunter, Morbius and the rest of Sony's strange slate of movies.
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[@captainmidnight]

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[@Comporio]

Will do

[@fortynights1513]

What music track is used in this video?

[@ceasarsaran8573]

I have no intention of seeing Madame Webb. Im sorry, but I feel inundated with women Superhero movies. It's just overdone. I saw the first few, and now Im going to give it a rest.

[@stellviahohenheim]

what a terrible name for a comic

[@Gnarfledarf]

Don't put sponsored content in the middle of the video.

[@Hilltopperpete]

Sony’s playbook: Step 1: Make a movie starring a character that is only interesting because of their personal relationship with Spider-Man Step 2: Don’t include Spider-Man in the movie Step 3: Lose hundreds of millions of dollars Step 4: Repeat Steps 1-3

[@Zombiesnyder13]

#AviAradOut

[@katherinealvarez9216]

Yeah, I mean we got dumpster fire uncle and his boyfriend, Goth Med uncle, Roid Rage Uncle and now Psychic Aunt.

[@CoOlKyUbI96]

It might be an interesting idea if Spider-Man is the antagonist of these films since the film follows the villain’s perspectives

[@katherinealvarez9216]

@@CoOlKyUbI96 some guy who's now has some weird power, so why not do crime? And then they get beaten up by some mouthy 12 year old in a costume more bizarre than theirs..

[@shawerful5209]

It worked with venom, because the character its just a black spider man

[@claytonrios1]

Madame Web looks like something you'd see on the CW for a few months before it gets cancelled after one season.

[@97Multiphantom]

I wouldn’t be suprused if that’s exactly what it was, and then they realized it was shit and retooled it into a film in order to still make *some* amount of money with the footage they had.

[@baconeggcheesepodcast9390]

Ayoooooooo🤣

[@claytonrios1]

​@@97MultiphantomGiven some of the effects that sounds like it's a possibility.

[@nalday2534]

It looks as cinematic as mcu spidey films and that's saying something

[@97Multiphantom]

@@nalday2534 nah you need your eyes checked bro.

[@Aviator-Chicken]

It’s just weird when you realize someone actually thought you could make a universe as successful as marvel based off Spider-Man’s rouges gallery

[@Spud1189]

Well the idea is out there and is unique. If done well it would be commended for being good and unique but sadly the movies themselves are not that good outside of Venom which for me are just decent fun movies I can watch to pass the time. Morbious was lifelessly mid for me and Kraven’s marketing hasn’t done anything for me (radioactive lion really?)

[@benwasserman8223]

After Batman, they ARE the most iconic rogues gallery in comics. And if Joker and Gotham could pull it off, it's not unreasonable to assume you could make something like that with Spidey foes.

[@Renoistic]

Besides Venom, Doc Ock and Green Goblin I don't think anyone outside of comic fans cares about any of them. And even that's a stretch.

[@Gloomdrake]

@@benwasserman8223maybe movies are just the wrong medium, then

[@benwasserman8223]

@@Gloomdrake Well we've already had multiple decades of cartoons. Movies are the last place TO explore all these characters.

[@benwasserman8223]

These Sony non-Spidey Spider-Man movies feel like a throwback to the mid-2000s era where Hollywood still hadn't mastered the superhero formula. Makes you realize that, for all the MCU's production troubles, they don't lack confidence in their ability to tell stories. Or get weird. They could just afford to cut down on how many are released a year.

[@ThePrinceofHisOwnKingdom]

Visually speaking too. Morbius, Kraven, Madame Web... all look 2004. Catwoman vibes. At least the Venom movies look early 2010s.

[@johnsmith651]

At least something like Daredevil had an awesome soundtrack

[@katherinealvarez9216]

Also let the VFX artists do their job and not exploit them.

[@benwasserman8223]

@@katherinealvarez9216 I mean they were always exploited. But two projects vs. 8-10 is just a lot more work.

[@katherinealvarez9216]

@@benwasserman8223 true.

[@LeonardoKlotz]

1st rule of a cinematic universe: "You do NOT tell everyone that you're making a cinematic universe." 2nd rule of a cinematic universe: "You do NOT imitate the MCU"

[@noobmasterruben5167]

Arrowverse and Godzilla were doing a better job at being a cinematic universe than Sony

[@technounionrepresentative4274]

ahh the monsterverse, somehow the second best cinematic universe behind the MCU, you'd think the spiderman sony stuff or DC or even harry potter would be better at this than the big lizard and big gorilla universe

[@nagger8216]

Exactly, not every cinematic universe needs to have some epic Avengers-esque team up with characters that are blatantly introduced just for that team up. Something like Star Trek did this shit way better decades ago because it was organic storytelling that just so happened to be in the same universe that had all these other characters. You never saw some cringe team up between Picard, Sisko and Janeway because that's not a story, it's a marketing gimmick. And the one time they did try doing something like that (Generations) it was fucking awful and they never tried it again.

[@CitizenKahne1992]

@@noobmasterruben5167To be fair, they originally just wanted to make a good Godzilla movie. Which they did. They started the idea of a shared universe with Kong: Skull Island.

[@farmoone7418]

@@noobmasterruben5167 arrowverse is shit show 🤣

[@13nwaffles]

At this rate, I’m genuinely surprised we never got that Aunt May spinoff they were planning for a while

[@christopherb501]

Post-credits with Galactus making her his herald?

[@MaxNMotion]

I think this is the remnants of that aunt may spinoff. I heard a report that one of the medics Madame works with is uncle Ben. But idk

[@TonyQuinn]

Apparently that wasn’t real but who knows.

[@omaridaniels8427]

It's interesting how, despite being part of the greater MCU, Homecoming is pretty grounded and keeps things local for a Spider-Man film. No Way Home is good, and I like good chunk of Far From Home, but as the MCU continues to expand, it's often taken Spider-Man outside of his friendly neighborhood and kept his stories from being small scale and personal.

[@GuineaPigEveryday]

And what i find fascinating is that whereas the ending of Far From Home started building big, and Peter being way out of his comfort zone and being asked to deal with threats he couldn’t handle, and then Spiderman No Way Home went extremely big but even the MCU were smart enough to end that film by taking him right back to where everyone wanted him in the first place. Just him, in an apartment, by himself, no iron man, right back to his roots. For all the shit MCU gets they knew that they had to bring it back to the core of who spiderman is, and that ending got a lot of ppl excited for the possibilities of your ‘friendly neighbourhood spiderman’ now that no one knows who he is anymore. This is something Sony did not even have the patience to think about, or the brains, when they made a movie about three spiderwomen preventing a clairvoyant spider-dude trying to prevent Peter Parker from existing and making Parker some divine chosen-one spider-person whose existence is crucial to the universe.

[@user-jp5nc8zf7m]

Its the same problem Marvel had, which is that people mostly just want Iron Man. So they needed to stick him in everywhere. Otherwise their movies had a much tougher time, unless they fluked into a release with little competition or had a really excellent script. As mentioned, it makes more sense just to have one spiderman a year, and stick your other stuff on streaming services. Kraven the Hunter? Madame Web looked halfway interesting, but tying it into spiderman seemed pointless. But studio executives have little risk so usually are content to just throw shit at a wall and see what sticks. After No Way Home I think it makes more sense to simply go back to making movies with THREE different spidermen in diffferent universes.

[@lolakola1715]

do yall not read spider man comics ? he had a whole issues off earth , & in different dimensions many times. it’s just no pleasing ppl like yall

[@user-jp5nc8zf7m]

Everybody has an opinion, the problem is that usually creators are reaching when they have to introduce space. He also lead the avengers and all kinds of other shit,but most poeple know the friendly neighbourhood spider man. I WAS going to disagree with that, becasue I thought Homecoming was boring as hell, and Far from Home was way too much 'high school shit'. But then I looked at the box office, and clearly it resonated with a LOT of people. Even Thor and Ant Man were doing under a billion. You have to remember, we're talking about two different studios here.

[@DavidMartinez-ce3lp]

Homecoming is the most skippable and forgettable MCU film. You could literally go from Civil War to Infinity War and you miss nothing. The whole trilogy was wasted potential. Conflicts should've been way more personal to Peter/Spiderman, and they needed to actually build up his world within the MCU instead of trying to connect everything to the MCU.

[@fulcrum6760]

I can trust Sony with Spiderman animated movies, shows, and video games but live action is a completely different story.

[@baconeggcheesepodcast9390]

Wait they actually have made some good movies

[@jonathandelgado3755]

@@baconeggcheesepodcast9390Yeah people act like Sony only ever churns out garbage live action Spider-Man films but…I mean they’ve made like…at least two masterpieces and the others range from average to bad depending on how you classify SM3, the TASM, and Venom films. And me personally I think the others are more average than outright bad.

[@NathanFromTheCommentsSection]

Seriously, it blows my mind that projects like Into the Spider verse and the Playstation Spiderman games come from the same parent company that greenlit and produced Morbius. Such an insane range of quality

[@ShockwaveFPSStudios]

@@baconeggcheesepodcast9390What’s it look like genius! Everyone knows the SpiderVerse animated movies are some of the greatest movies known to cinema and animation! And it was made by Sony of all studios.

[@allsome1o1]

@@NathanFromTheCommentsSection It's because Marvel doesn't fuck them over creatively and just let's them at it for those. Things would have been better if they stayed with the original deal they had that these live action Sony movies were in the MCU

[@Kdkjdjewerdnxa]

When the modern spider man games are far more cinematic, entertaining, and well written than the movies.

[@baconeggcheesepodcast9390]

Ayooooooo🤣

[@chrisbrasel8060]

The spider verse movies are expections.

[@bigmoist990]

​@@arnoldreeves2436the comics are.... interesting.....to say the least

[@ExpertContrarian]

“Well written”

[@Animedumptruck]

Bro Spiderman 2 was trash lol

[@BonJoviBeatlesLedZep]

"With Sony doing so well by Spider-Man in the animated and video game realms, I really don't think there's a reason their live-action counterparts need to be this half-baked." Yes there is, and his name is Avi Arad.

[@radrno7]

And Amy Pascal.

[@BonJoviBeatlesLedZep]

@@radrno7 No. She's not involved in Morbius, Kraven the Hunter, or Madame Web. Just the Venom, MCU Spider-Man, and Spider-Verse movies.

[@joeschianodicola1810]

Holland's Spider-Man is going to be tied into these spin-offs by appearing in the Amazon with my mom when she was researching spiders right before she died.

[@electronichaarp2835]

Uh, what?

[@CoOlKyUbI96]

What are you talking about?

[@StarmenRock]

Schizo moment

[@jesusramirezromo2037]

​​@@CoOlKyUbI96I think he means Madam Web's mom being killed in the Amazon while researching spiders, But Peter is a baby in that movie, so idk what he's talking about

[@officerspooder]

everyone confused at this is just proof how dumb this trailer line is 😂

[@ikenosis8160]

It's a comical observation to have seen the beginning of the Comic book cinematic universe as a welling up of audience desire in "I hope they make..." To now it being reduced to "I hope they don't make..."

[@soulbrother5435]

Sony's "weird" plan is hold Spider Man hostage and squeeze as much bucks as possible

[@lovelaceackah216]

Aside from Spiderverse and the games they barely use him aside from the MCU

[@Zombiesnyder13]

#AviAradOut

[@electronichaarp2835]

@lovelaceackah216 So aside from 2 hugely successful movie, 2 popular video games, and appearing in several movies of the biggest movies of all time, they barely use him? That’s what you’re saying? Yes, ok dude, sure.

[@nagger8216]

​@@electronichaarp2835Proof read your comments, Jesus Christ

[@christophergarcia4900]

​@@electronichaarp2835the videogames use a different license, animation largely outsource from outside the company and im betting you they had to for the spiderverse considering how crazy ambitious it was and how short the scheduling was/is, the live action is the crux of the problem because Sony just shits out bad ideas

[@ar_reactions612]

We really should’ve let Venom flop so none of this would have happened

[@baconeggcheesepodcast9390]

You funny

[@cormano64]

That's what the audience gets when they reward bad movies with their ticket money. More slop. You'll eat it all and you'll LIKE IT. 💩👹🤬

[@louisduarte8763]

I blame Lady Gaga fans hyping up her "A Star Is Born" remake by dumping on Venom, making more people see the latter out of spite.

[@LHollan]

Spider-Man fans are big enough to make any spider movie a success, you mcu fanboys are simply irrelevant for Spider-Man fans

[@ar_reactions612]

@@LHollan I’m an MCU fanboy because I think the Sonyverse sucks? Huh?

[@andrewgarfield9898]

When I was a kid growing up as a Spider-Man fan I’ve always loved him. He has one of the best rogue’s gllawry of any super hero. But I never ONCE imagined a series of stories movies WITHOUT him in them. It just makes no sense to me at all

[@thebaldpizzaman6319]

Maybe it’d make sense for something like earth 42, where we can see a NYC without spider-man that’s in complete turmoil, but not when you’re gonna blow millions of dollars on it lmao

[@user-fm6no9el3f]

Read Superior Foes of Spider-Man, you won't be disappointed. It's a whole story about Spider-Man's rogues gallery that doesn't feature Spider-Man at all. It's not even about the main ones like Doc Ock or Kraven, it's all B- or C-listers. Despite that it is very entertaining and well-written. Unfortunate that Sony probably won't even come close to its level.

[@Bubblegob]

The worst offender here is Ezekiel's costume it looks quite cheap and is featured heavily which gives not much hope for the spider-women final look unless they save the budget for them.

[@tropiccheekss]

i wish they would've given sweeny lenses spider costumes with revealed eyes look hilariously bad, and you can always do the ripped or removed mask

[@GarfieldFatCat]

Im sick of multivers stories. I miss Spider-Man just playing the friendly neighborhood spider. ITSV is an exception because it only focuses on that

[@guilherme5094]

I don't want Spidey in the multiverses, I don't want Iron Boy from the MCU films, and I've reached a point where I don't want any more adaptations, they're not capable of doing justice to Spider-Man.

[@thebcwonder4850]

@@guilherme5094 NWH was better than the comic it’s based on

[@kitothekito915]

@@guilherme5094mcu Spider-Man is independent now

[@technounionrepresentative4274]

same here, i stop and think about my favorite spiderman stories and none of them really include the multiverse, i kind of hate that spiderman has become the poster boy for the multiverse (he's the poster boy for marvel in general but i just hate that he is soo firmly tied to the multiverse now) at the end of no way home i was excited because spiderman 4 might have been a more simple spiderman story without being iron man's protege, now the rumors are that the next spiderman movie will feature miles and gwen (not gwen stacy but spider gwen) also big portion of spiderman's villains have either already been used, are AWOL (scorpion) or sony is using them

[@prowthegamer]

Exactly

[@bensneb360]

I gotta respect Sony’s determination, they want to make a Sinister Six movie, and they’re gonna do it no matter what

[@sammcbride4305]

I may well lose my mind if Spider-Man 4 is multiverse stuff... NWH's ending was such a perfect course correction

[@haroldnecmann7040]

Why😂

[@sammcbride4305]

@@haroldnecmann7040 a lot of the reasons that CM mentioned in the video really... Spider-Man doing big Avengers and multiverse stuff is fine but shouldn't be predominantly what he's doing. Miles' movies more than fill that space at the minute and the MCU has so much potential for Tom to be a great classic Spider-Man now

[@FatKratos69]

@@sammcbride4305Same, I just want a story with Peter being a friendly neighborhood Spidey. Struggling to balance his life as Peter/Spider-Man No multiverse, no Miles. At least for now. Just Peter doing what he always does. Doing the right thing

[@sammcbride4305]

@@FatKratos69 I think in an ideal world you get Tom for a third trilogy, introduce Miles at the end of the sixth movie and have the third trilogy be the pair of them before Tom's Peter takes a step back because Miles has it covered

[@FatKratos69]

@@sammcbride4305 It's entirely possible. Peter is slowly starting to get recognized as the adult Spider-Man. What fans have wanted for so long. Miles can be the teenage Spider-Man It depends on Tom and sales. I don't have much faith continuing forward though. Sony is terrible at live action and the MCU has been extremely stale or garbage post NWH. I also hope it's not a crossover, heard some Daredevil rumors a while back.

[@angusmacfrankenstein7227]

One more thing: I’ve been enjoying Supaidāman, the Japanese 1978 TV version of the character-because it’s so damned fresh!

[@Carlitonsp1]

Most Spidey characters, regardless of their depth, have a base connection to Spider-Man that can't really be lost without damaging the character. For example, Black Cat's character needs the connection to Spider-Man to highlight the glamorous side of Superhero'ing that pushed her to go in that direction, and how this further defined her choice to break the law to allow her father the dignity of dying at home with his family.

[@jamoretz9149]

none of the spider woman have a direct tie in with Spider-man but there are still cheaping these characters.

[@user-fm6no9el3f]

Nah, the Black Cat comics by Jed Mackay do a great job of touching on her character without a connection to Spider-Man. The problem is that Sony doesn't have good enough writers to doit.

[@Jonathan_Collins]

Just wanna say man as someone who's a moderate fan of all things Marvel, and someone who didn't grow up reading comics, I get closer and closer to diving head first into the illustrated worlds of comics with every video I watch by you. Your passion is palpable and I love every second of your content.

[@cormano64]

Keep in mind that there are tons of comics outside of Marvel/DC that have absolutely nothing to do with superheroes. I'd absolutely recommend starting reading comics in general as you're bound to discover a lot of different stories from across different genres and art styles that could be to your liking. Another reminder in case you stumble upon the term: "graphic novels" are the same thing as "comics". It's just a marketing trick the legendary Will Eisner used to get people to take comics more seriously (as they deserve to).

[@stellviahohenheim]

Just don't buy it, the state of comic now is terrible

[@owenleal]

As someone who used to collect mostly Marvel and of those Marvel comics mostly spiderman, I would advise caution. Counterintuitively, as the superhero/comicbook genre of movies have become more lucrative, actual comics have gone on the decline hugely. If you look at Marvel's business model for example, it seems that they are focussed on creating marketable enough stories and characters to be used as fodder for the MCU. All this to say two things: 1) this is about to be a niche hobby and niche hobbies are expensive. Comic shops are few and far between and so your best bet is to go to somewhere like a Forbidden Planet or another big chain store to get started, and they will cost a pretty penny. 2) the quality of stories you find may not be worth the money you spend on the hobby. Remember many comics are sealed in a plastic envelope, so there is no 'try before you buy' element to picking one up like with manga or novels. Maybe if you stick to the older more prestige stories that you get in like, the big compilations like the Marvel Definitve series but when it comes to the newer stories, what with the cynical direction that Marvel has gone in, you might find yourself disappointed, especially if you are going to be seeking out Spiderman specifically. There are a few exceptions, like the last I checked they were doing some really fun and fresh stuff with the X-Men, but if its Spiderman you want then prepare for heartbreak. Another thing, its gonna be hard for you to just jump into Marvel like that. Marvel more than any other line, including DC follows this continuous soap opera approach to story telling. Basically most every plot point you read will tie back into some other plot point. If you ever try to just jump into an episode of Eastenders or Hollyoaks, you will find yourself in a similar position to reading a Marvel comic. Kudos to them that they do make an effort to clue you in on the story so far and what is going on, but those efforts have become decreasingly useful as time has gone on. If you get overly obsessed with finding out what the hell is going on, you will find yourself poring over issues from like 5 years ago, because yes they will reference material from that far back and from comics that arent even in the same run as the comic you are currently reading. This isnt like reading a manga where, no you cant really just start in the middle and know what is happening, but at the same time there is a chapter 1 so that you can start at the beginning and catch up, Marvel does not have a beginning, there is nowhere for you to jump on so that you can get your bearings and you'll have to make your peace with that. Maybe you open an issue and Iron Man is evil today. Maybe you open an issue and the X Men have established a colony on Mars with magic plants and are doing a Game of Thrones/Dune type thing off by themselves removed from any other characters. Maybe you open an issue and those two references are several months or years outdated. And you just have to be like "okay. Im fine with this. This is what we're doing."

[@drness6650]

This will be remembered as one of the weirdest oddest and dark period for comic book movies, its odd because the spider verse movies are doing so good

[@terranceramirez4816]

Superhero cinema is right at the point where Westerns were right before the Western bust of the 1960s. I expect a bursting of the superhero bubble in the next few years and I don’t really know what is going to come after it.

[@technobladeleakedclips1827]

​@@terranceramirez4816video game adaptations arr the next Hollywood gold rush, and they are bound to become cringe once they become woke after Chris pratt gets canceled

[@Zombiesnyder13]

VENOM had the writer from 50 SHADES OF GREY MORBIUS had the writers from GODS OF EGYPT And KRAVEN THE HUNTER has the writers from TRANSFORMERS: THE LAST KNIGHT AVI ARAD doomed this cinematic universe, just like he doomed TASM series

[@UncleForHire]

Theres only a singular writter? I figured a script would have like a couple of writers 2-3 where they would make a script and in the scenes where they dont agree the director would be a tiebreaker bqsed on what he thinks would work and what he could direct.

[@dammagrilla]

​@@UncleForHire Some scripts have several writers, but I believe that's usually because someone wrote the initial script and then other writers work on it afterwards (Joss Whedon did a lot of this after his Marvel work, I believe) Also, I doubt most studios are comfortable giving directors the ability to do that... only like top top directors would be allowed to do something like that, I would think (and several of them also write so that makes some sense... guys like Nolan, Cameron, Spielberg, Scorsese, etc.)

[@onnimannimaki8846]

​@@UncleForHireKelly Marcel also wrote Cruella, Saving mister Banks and Terra Nova. Morbius writers were actually shitty. Two of the Kraven's writers were involved in Iron man and uncharted but their other movies are not good. Kraven's third writer wrote Equalizer trilogy and other good/okay action movies.

[@UncleForHire]

@@dammagrilla so a direct that isn't known has to work with shit scripts and take the rep hit when the movie bombs, sounds like a raw deal

[@vishuprathikanti9352]

As soon as I saw an ad with the title "Madam web" I had to watch the whole thing... And yeah I was so surprised they took such a weird and interesting character in madam web and decided to make something so generic looking. In the comics she's so cool because she's so weird and wise. It doesn't look like we'll be seeing that 😔

[@benwasserman8223]

Look if we were going for a comic-accurate Madame Web, she would have been a Helen Mirren type.

[@Shift_Salt]

Isn't there a younger version of madam web in the comics already

[@benwasserman8223]

@@Shift_Salt Julia Carpenter yeah. But that's Sydney Sweeny's character in the movie.

[@rn6312]

I'd be good with a Big Wheel solo film. I bet it would be great. It's Big Wheelin' Time!

[@Rembreiker_lychec9257]

"You have Spider-Man, the greatest of them all." This line is incredible. Out of all the Marvel characters, of all the great and amazing stories in Marvel, Spider-Man has always been the big one. In my opinion, he shares a special spot in the world of heroes, right alongside Batman and Superman. Those three are what many think of when you mention Marvel or DC.

[@Eidlones]

Spider-Man is actually the world's most popular super hero. Above Superman, Batman, everyone. In terms of popularity polling, consistent sales, as well as just pure revenue.

[@cormano64]

@@Eidlones I don't know how true that still is today, but in the last 4 or 5 decades the Spider-Man comics were used as a direct measure of the overall health of the U.S.' comic industry. That's how popular he was.

[@radrno7]

​@@Eidlones I think people just see them different. They usually refer to "hey, I'm not Superman, I can't do everything" or "boy scout" jokes, while you have the "I'm Batman" or "dark and broody" jokes. Spider-Man is used more for "kid that has to pay bills" or "thwip" jokes. But all of them share the "super orphan" jokes lol

[@SnowmanTF2]

This seems like possibly the most of a longshot of what have produced since doing their Spiderman adjacent films. Venom/Morbius/Kraven are pretty well known by the core audience, that at least theoretically can translate directly to an action film's lead. Madame Web seems most known for facilitating dumping exposition to Spiderman and setting him on a path. Sure that can be a role in a movie, but really only seems to warrant her own film if Soniverse already had the kind of success early phases of MCU was having. Made even weirder by seems like running with webslinger variant(s) that probably are not even top five, maybe not even top ten if include multiple versions of peter. Plus changing most attributes the character is known for is hardly appealing to anyone who knows the character, and it does not exactly seem like changes are exactly a huge draw that will bring in a ton that did not know the character.

[@user-bi2wn4vn3b]

I think this entire situation can be boiled down to Dr. Malcom’s quote from the first Jurassic park . “You were so preoccupied with whenever or not you could , you never stopped to think of you should “

[@alphyy3107]

Could not agree more with everything you said, when will these people realize that making a good movie is far more profitable than making a bad one.

[@maxpops8427]

Making a good movie takes Effort, something studios arent willing to put

[@Plain--Jane]

okay, c'mon lol do you both seriously think everyone involved with these movies explicitly went in thinking "okay let's make this a dogshit movie lol" Bad media isn't exclusively made by people who are lazy or untalented or not trying and I'm really tired of seeing this sentiment

[@alphyy3107]

@Plain--Jane When I say "These people" I mean the higher ups. Sure it's a culmination of alot of individuals work but the bottom line is there is a severe lack of quality control going on in the mcu right now. and honestly hollywood in general. There is obviously some sort of an issue here. Nothing will be done about it If we defend these people.

[@maxpops8427]

@@Plain--Jane of course the people that make them expect it to be good but there so delusional that it fails miserably

[@rogueguardian]

Considering people are already memeing the hell out of the trailer. I honestly got no faith. And look I love the multiverse idea when it's done well but I'm with you on a more grounded story 1000% Spidey needs to get back to his Roots.

[@tropiccheekss]

repeating the morbin time bit this isn't even memeing, smcu is so bad its degrading the quality of the memes ab it

[@LHollan]

@@tropiccheekssnah you’re just a hater

[@tropiccheekss]

@@LHollan hater of sony mcu or hater of the morbin time shitposts? bc i'd love to see what they do with madame web, i got tired of morbin time when they started making spider-verse morbin jokes over a year later, it was a nice nod/poke in the movie when miles was describing miguel but "my favorite part is when miguebious morbed all over gwen, the whole audience cheered" is a new pickle rick i declare

[@conorsvfx]

Sony should be pouring more money into their spiderverse style and make more movies like that. They basically invented the style and had a headstart on everyone. Like let's be honest the madame web movie is gonna fail. From the trailer it looks like a fanfilm but if it was animated you have so much more artistic freedom for a really mind bending movie. Sony owns the spiderverse style and it's crazy they arent pumping out more of them

[@wstine79]

SONY: "Alright, let's do this one last time!"

[@Zombiesnyder13]

#AviAradOut

[@baconeggcheesepodcast9390]

Ayoooooo🤣

[@edgar-sama642]

4:44 isn't it weird that there's an almost opposite rumor saying that a storyline will start with echo, continue through the daredevil show and end in spiderman 4? I much prefer this one over the multiversal route

[@prowthegamer]

Same bro

[@madtitan0825]

Honestly I would just wait and see, those scoopers on the internet give out shitty fake rumors for years so I don’t really believe their bullshit anymore

[@SheilaTheGrate]

Is there a "Red Son" version of Spiderman? I can't help but think about how interesting it would be if Peter Parker were a journalism student living in a different country/regime. That keeps the themes of sci-fi, tech, identity, family, trust, secrets, vigilante journalism and exposing corruption but gives a fresh new take. Like did anyone ever do a WWII Resistance Spiderman arc?

[@jagnestormskull3178]

There's a Spider-Man who lives in India in the second Spider-Verse movie, but I can't think of any other country swap Spider-Man stories off the top of my head.

[@jamoretz9149]

Marvel 1602 which is 8 issues , Spider-Man : India which is 4 issues, Spider-man 2099 which has multiple collected volumes, Spider-man Noir has two collected mini series, and you can get Spider-verse trade paper back which has multiple spider people in it.

[@christopherb501]

​@@jagnestormskull3178And it's not like that version of India is reflective of the Modi regime.

[@jinpei05]

On some level, my inner fanboy wants to believe that Sony and Marvel/Disney have been secretly coordinating all the Spider-Man movies behind the scenes so that they all cohesively align with each other and the animated Spider-Verse films become MCU canon by the time Secret Wars finally arrives with a live-action Miles Morales making his debut. But then I slap myself out of it and realize it's an AMAZING fantasy lol

[@masierity2917]

i wish this was real...

[@MersonEdits]

While it’s cool to think abt the MCU miles wouldn’t be the ATSV miles. Miles has been teased in the MCU and we just have to wait until marvel is allowed to make their own. We see in the movies that you don’t actually change appearances when in other universes so it would just be horrifying to have a cartoon character fight with real people.

[@cormano64]

"and the animated Spider-Verse films become MCU canon" If anything, it should be the other way around. The MCU has to earn the honor of becoming canon in the Spider-Verse films as those are far superior. Not that I want any of that, as the Spider-Verse is fine as its own thing.

[@shawerful5209]

Amazing fantasy 😉

[@ExpertContrarian]

@@cormano64 you say that like there’s more than two. One was good. The second was nothing but good animation

[@ironwez20]

I honestly blame avi arad. He seems to destroy everything he touches and won’t leave Spider-Man alone

[@ironwez20]

@banquetoftheleviathan1404 he’s the ex president of marvel before fiege. He’s pretty much responsible for sm3 having to many characters, the asm franchise failing, and the Spider-Man less universe. I think he has some sort of creepy ego.

[@technobladeleakedclips1827]

Typical mooslim

[@TacoMan850]

Been a fan for a long time and always enjoyed your stuff! Hope the comic campaign goes well, looks dope. I would grab myself but my whole life I have never liked pirate stuff 😅 Wish the best though 💯

[@axelmationz]

Can we all agree though Venom being teleported into the MCU, then being teleported back without meeting the 3 Spider-Men was the biggest missed potential of all-time?

[@babystacks]

No, we can't. I do not want the Sony BS touching the MCU, even with the MCU seemingly collapsing in front of our eyes, ever.

[@prowthegamer]

@@babystacks Real

[@johnm.withersiv4352]

Madame Web seems like a character that can carry her own film, especially pulling in other Spider-Folks.

[@enkiimuto1041]

The irony is that now more than ever it is so easy to tie Black Cat with Daredevil, Kingpin and Spider-man and they decided to do this.

[@sathrielsatanson666]

They cannot tie Spider Man with Kingpin or Daredevil without Marvel's involvement and that means spliting the profits.

[@LHollan]

@@sathrielsatanson666kingpin and black are Sony properties, kingpin is a shared character

[@sathrielsatanson666]

@@LHollan yeah, my bad, I wasn't sure if Fisk first appeared in ASM.

[@NadeemShekh-uy9zn]

I genuinely want Sony to make a big wheel movie

[@Andyjoe522]

I'd be genuinely hyped if Sony announced a Big wheel movie. There's no way in Hell that Sony's executives would ever push for it to happen, so the only way it would happen would be if some writer or director just genuinely had a compelling idea for it. The Andor effect, as I like to call it.

[@thepulp80s]

No, you aren’t.

[@SuperCeleste007]

Yes although I feel like the next film, being normal timer fell, but still being large and scale is a fine idea with tons of character showing up

[@barney7822]

I wanted Marc Webb to have a second chance But what I didn't wanted was to see him working with Disney on their live-action remake of SNOW WHITE

[@Chowder_T]

And it all makes me nervous about the live action Zelda movie Sony announced they're cooking up

[@sideeyed7682]

Sony Purposely Botching one of Nitentdo’s most beloved franchises on the big screen? They would never.

[@anthonyklecha6002]

In all fairness, the Sony PlayStation was gonna be a CD add-on for the SNES before talks broke down over distribution rights. So hopefully Nintendo doesn’t give them enough room to make a dumpster fire of Zelda as extra revenge.

[@sideeyed7682]

@@anthonyklecha6002 yeah but all that did was encouraged Sony to go their own route and compete against them lol. The battle for the distribution rights is arguably why we have sony exclusive consoles today.

[@jamoretz9149]

nintendo had a ton of say in the mario movie and I think they have the same amount of control. i still have worries.

[@anthonyklecha6002]

@@jamoretz9149 okay 😊

[@blu3g]

Personally, if I wanted to see a story about someone who can see glimpses into the future before someone dies and keeps dying over and over themselves while being hunted down by someone in a black suit, I'd just replay Xenoblade

[@TerrenceNowicki]

Rick and Morty also did a pretty good episode about that as its season 4 premier. "I WILL die OLD!"

[@ChristopherLono]

They have learned nothing from that Morbius fiasco (who was a character that works best when he is not tied directly to Spider-Man). There is a lot of good stories that should get a cinematic treatment. Aside from the animated Miles and a serious Venom vs Carnage this decade for Sony’s Spider was obvious: Spidey vs Kraven, Spidergirls vs Morlun, Venom vs sym-soldiers, Spider-Woman, Spidey & FF vs Sinister Six, Venom vs Knull (with GotG guest starring if possible), Spidey + Venom vs Red Goblin, Spider Island with clones, Spidey meets Deadpool. By now they have made a comedy out of Venom, used the villains team-up concept, probably wasted Kraven and those female Web characters are not looking very enticing.

[@NotSoMax]

I don’t have an issue with less known or “important” characters getting these movies, but when they feel super transparent about building a franchise in place of just building out these characters and stories in their own right is where it loses me. In comics I like when I can read a comic and if there are events that do tie into other issues I have the option not to read them without feeling like I’m missing too much. The way the MCU is currently structured it feels like there’s an expectation you consume everything they put out and it ends up costing the characters and individual movies. If the kraven and madam web movie end up just being individual stories about these characters I could be on board but as it is right now I just don’t trust these studios.

[@pokemontrainerred5913]

Funny how everyone wanted Tom's Spidey to be grounded and true but are scared of his upcoming flims. I feel the reset is a great place to start seeing how he doesnt even have (in his verse) anyone but Vulture. Sinister Six is still a major possibility and don't forget a possible Symbiote arc also.

[@joeschianodicola1810]

aaand there's still the Scorpion, the Shocker, and perhaps even a Rhino (i'm guessing)

[@pokemontrainerred5913]

@@joeschianodicola1810 could even have his own Ock and even Mr Negative. Hell I can see Kraven or Sandman jumping in.

[@pabliyurs7688]

Or villain they didn't use in previous films like Alistair Smythe, Jackal or a mafia crime like Hammerhead or Tombstone, even introduce Black Cat or Silver Sable.

[@joeschianodicola1810]

@@pabliyurs7688 i think now's the best time to introduce Black Cat, since Peter's lost his relationship with MJ. I think it would be a cool dynamic to see, with a new love interest for Spider-Man while Peter still has feelings for MJ who no longer remembers him.

[@andreivaldez2929]

I think people are just tired of bad, comic book movies and hoping that Sony and Disney let up on the content farm. If it's good, they'll come; if it sucks then they'll stay away.

[@thiagoteixeira6537]

Sony hear us once and for all, we don't want villain movies without Spider-man! Literally nobody wants that!

[@JustSomeMexicanwithaMustache]

All I want is Kraven to be the main villain of a MCU Spider-Man movie, but instead I am getting a boring looking Kraven movie.

[@homielander5924]

@@banquetoftheleviathan1404ain’t that the truth, it’s been a few years since they’ve been as good. A few good ones mixed in but overall most have been meh since the “new 52” bs

[@seanholmes7482]

An unresolve Sony and MCU issue fans are interested in seeing, during a live action movie, is the Sinister Six. Sure, Sinister Six's development in both studios was "messy", but it is out there and unresolved. Sinister Six's story both Sony and Marvel created should be resolved. Also, I would like to see if MCU's Mysterio is part of the Sinister Six.

[@Sharpe1502]

Tbh, I wouldn’t mind Sony making stand alone villain movies if they just gave the filmmakers freedom and stopped trying to connect the movies to everything.

[@parkerpshebnisky1051]

We all knew that the villain-verse was gonna fail!🤣

[@linkdk59]

I will be honest though. Out of everything going on with the sonyverse, i am curious about this Madame Web project. More curious than with Morbius or Kraven, or Carnage. Not excited. But curious indeed. I MIGHT go see it

[@dicsord-server]

@4:11 It can be okay to lift some arcs from classic films. Joker is Taxi Driver + King of Comedy in a Batman Suit, and it was pretty good!

[@thibaud1832]

The best part of the trailer is when she said "It’s Madam Webbing time!" And then Madam Webbed all other those guys.

[@JWickyJr13]

I've seen Venom...that's it. That was enough for me.

[@baconeggcheesepodcast9390]

How you like it

I always thought that the reason Sony wanted so desperately movies about Venom, Black Cat, Morbius, eyc was because they had a maximum Carnage crossover movie event cooking. But no, they kill him unceremoniously in his first appearance.

[@Hubabuba258]

Sony just keeps fishing for a hit with those side characters like Morbius and Kraven, when they have Ben Reilly staring at them. I would love a good Scarlet Spider movie.

[@unavezms8167]

I am sincerely looking forward to Kraven thee hunter movie. Have never read the comic and I loved the trailer.

[@Zombiesnyder13]

It has the writers from "Transformers: The Last Knight" If you saw Morbius, then you can expect the exact same result with Kraven All thanks to Avi Arad

[@StarmenRock]

You need higher standarts.

[@StevenJG]

Overall, I think I’ve got a pretty decent idea of how they can improve moving forward: *Stop*

[@peskyspider5103]

IMO there is actually a really obvious move they could make that would make a lot of people happy and earn them a lot of money. Do Amazing Spider-Man 3 with Andrew Garfield and Spider-Man 4 with Tobey Maguire and Sam Raimi. After No Way Home, I feel like audiences could handle multiple Spider-Man film franchises and understand that these are alternate universes. Sony could release an actual Spider-Man movie every year this way. The only potential problem I can see is if their deal with Marvel to let Spider-Man be in the MCU has some sort of clause that says they can't make their own Spider-Man films about Peter Parker (which is why they are focusing on Miles and the villains).

[@grimreads]

Sonyverse feels like they are movies from the 00's and in that case they got the idea "let's make a spider-thirsttrap movie"

[@johnathanclark1]

My idea if I was running Solo. Get all of Spider-Man support heroes like Silver Sable wild pack or the new warriors and get a set of villains or run up to a big crossover movie “Maximum Carnage “

[@C.R.Cole331]

Might as well call it Sony's Spider-Less Universe

[@hunterrousseau3770]

😂 haha good one 👌

[@Zombiesnyder13]

Sony should let PHIL LORD and CHRIS MILLER in charge of their cinematic universe They can save it from AVI ARAD, just like they did with SPIDER-VERSE

[@Eidlones]

I'd honestly rather they go do something else. I wanna see what new things they can do, with new weird ideas no one expects anything from.

[@liambenson3872]

As an Australian I personally hope they do a Kangaroo movie before Stegron, maybe after the MCU kills off Thor Chris Hemsworth could just slide into that role and really convolute thing's as another actor playing multiple comic book characters, or the could just get Liam Hemsworth he disappeared after Hunger Games.

[@LegendaryHewy]

The problem with the Sony-Verse is that it has no centric point of reference. The Raimi films ended with 3 because of sony's insistence of cramming more villains for profit, resulting in the 4th film getting cancelled. The Amazing Spider-Man ended while hinting at expanding on the universe further, but then it got canned. Then Venom entered the picture, but he exists in a world currently without a Spider-Man. Morbius follows the same pattern, but became a glorified meme rather than a box office hit. Then, Marvel's Spider-Man introduces both Tobey and Andrew's Spider-Men back into the continuation suggesting they all co-exist with each other, and some of Marvel's versions of villains are now hoping dimensions for no apparent reason, like Vulture joining up with Morbius. Teaming up potentially with Sony's Kraven or some form of the Sinister Six who all seem to have their own seperate stories outside of involving Spider-Man. None of them have a reason to team up together at all. And now we have Madam Web coming out that introduces variants of different Spider-people with potentially a new Peter Parker being set up, which would now also co-exist with Sony's other 2 Spider-Men and Marvel's Spider-Man (who I'm sure want another Spider-Man team up movie at some point). So... Where does all of this fit in? If Sony is really trying to make their universe work, they're currently killing it before it even gets off the ground. Not only is it now being confused between dimensions (Marvel and Sony verse) with characters who have no vendetta against Spider-Man or have any real relation to him, nor have we had any build up of this version's Spider-Man before more obscure characters in the Mythos get their own personal movie. And the last thing the Marvel Spider-Man films need right now is more deadweight storytelling with their multiverse of sadness. I don't hate the concept, but I liked superhero movies back when it was about the superhero. Is it too much to ask to see Peter try to live his life from scratch while trying to be the hero everybody knows but doesn't remember the identity of? Can we finally get to see Black Cat and Spider-Man together in a live action film? Can it focus on Peter's struggle to accept the balance of life instead of being paired up with mentor hero figure again and again?

[@jerrywil7012]

This whole situation is really sad, because a connected universe based on Spiderman's side of Marvel Comics is possible (hell, comics have been doing it for years, especially in the 90s when Spiderman was practically keeping Marvel comics afloat on its own). Imagine, an entire sub-section of the MCU dedicated to Spiderman and his rogue's gallery managed by Sony, while Disney takes care of bigger and larger stuff with other characters. Kind of like what Netflix did with the Defenders shows: a smaller section of the MCU that isn't required to understand the larger MCU as a whole, but still fits in and is enjoyable for hardcore fans... and yet almost ten years later, Sony and Disney don't seem to understand this kind of mutual beneficial opportunity and prefer to be at eachother's throats because MONEY...

[@writingref]

I think you hit the nail on the head. (Or perhaps strummed the right string of the web). I feel like Keven Feige was always hoping to do what you suggest, but I don't think Amy Pascal did. I think Pascal is the problem as far as the relationship between the two studios, but at the same time, there were other executives who would have never cooperated at all. You would think that after the success of no way home they would simply build a Garfield multiverse up a bit more. "I want to fight an alien," - but this plan was in motion since before No Way Home and they have stubbornly stuck to it.

[@thekingofcookies4877]

There's a new more recent Madam Web in the comics. This is based on that version, a young woman who has clairvoyance. I don't know much about this version of the character aside from that.

[@LHollan]

Yeah people talking about what they know, 😅 but hey this video was made to put hate on Sony so it works for him to pretend done stuff

[@thekingofcookies4877]

or that this guy hasn't read every modern spider-man comic.@@LHollan She isn’t exactly in every issue.

[@danielgertler5976]

What's truly baffling to me is them going forward with movies like Morbius and Kraven when the next most logical Spidey character to get their own movie after Venom would seem to be the Black Cat Felicia Hardy

[@BOABModels]

I thought this too but it's made me think that they may have agreed with Marvel to introduce her in the MCU films. I can't see why else she wouldn't have her own film before even Madam Web!

[@Likeomgitznich]

Imagine this as a Spider-Man post credits scene. We open up outside of the window of an apartment building, as camera moves forward we see Peter, his sitting at his desk with a sewing kit trying to patch his suit. The camera morphs through his window and slowly rotates around him as we watching him intensely concentrating on fixing his suit. As the shot rotation comes to the back of his head we start to see a color temp change, a yellow tint the slowly glows as the camera continues to rotate. Something is going on. The Peter tingle activates. Time slows, the sound of the city gets muffled, the camera moves closer to Peter’s head. He’s stopped sewing and begins to look up, we see how the yellow glow from behind him is now casting a shadow of Peter. As we get to his face the camera is close, his head taking up most the fame. He is staring almost as if looking at us, with intense focus. We stay here for a second as we see the yellow glow behind him finish growing. He suddenly whips around and shoots a web, it goes into the light and disappears. He stands, ready for a fight when we start to see someone come through. “Hello to you to Spider-Man” we hear as the Sylvie emerges through the time door brushing the remaining webbing off her. Cut to black.

[@writingref]

so you're saying Loki should have something to do with fixing the multiverse through the spiderverse.... if they were smart. The problem is sony is trying to do their own thing. If these movies are not sucessful, they will pull Spidey from the MCU and try to do their own movies again. Which would be better for spiderman but suck for the MCU

[@Likeomgitznich]

@@writingrefmove that Loki provides Spider-Man a window into the spider verse, which would allow them to connect all the Sony stuff togeather while having some continuity. And since they use tech to travel and not magic, it isn’t going to be character dependent. Not to mention, Spider-Man is a tech guy, not a magic guy so this fits better.

[@yoshi5I4]

You remember when Sony canceled a bunch of spin offs after The Amazing Spider-Man 2 flopped, like the Aunt May spy film and The Sinister Six? Yeah I reckon they should do it again

[@sparking023]

Madam Web is a character that did not need a solo movie, just like Morbius, and to some extent even Venom initially. They're all intrisically tied to Spider-Man, so I see no reason why they would stand up without Spider-Man nearby. I *wish* Venom was introduced in a proper Spider-Man movie because Eddie's vendeta against Peter is such a major point of the character, but oh well, legal reasons prohibited it. Still, Madam Web only appears when the "destiny" of Spider-Man is at play, which I also don't quite like. The expansion of the Spider-Man mythos kinda robbed that feeling of just a random guy who got the powers. Idk man, I can't have any good expectations for movies these days, when a good one comes out it's a big surprise and an exception

[@maybe-ef4ch]

captain midnight

[@tometrist7052]

Big if true

[@singletona082]

Sony's trying to hedge their bets so that they can have a stable of characters in case disney gets clingy with actual spiderman. Which is smart.

[@benwasserman8223]

I mean, the Spider-Verse movies have given them like 10+ Spider-people for the price of two.

[@singletona082]

@@benwasserman8223 At this point thier problem is... well... making sure those movies are Good. See also casting 'method actor' Jarad Leto as Morbius.

[@Raii_Chu]

@2:47 , a man with the legal name of Doug Bowser is the current president of Nintendo of America. Matching names seem to pop up randomly

[@GomerJ]

The most exciting part of No Way Home was that it finally left Peter in a very grounded, classic Spider-Man set up so I really hope cooler heads prevail (maybe Feige can convince them that the rumored plan is an awful idea). And if they are dead set on making movies with side characters & villains then they need to ditch the idea of connecting them and just focus on telling unique & interesting stand-alone stories with the characters they choose. Just because people love Spider-Verse doesn't mean EVERY Spidey project needs to be that big in scope. I was actually a little annoyed when it was shoehorned into a sidequest in Spider-Man 2 on PS5.

[@graysonhuff8764]

I’m worried that the contracts already state what’s supposed to happen with these movies, hence them being rushed out with as little effort/money spent as possible. Although I have no idea

[@shinndig1293]

This is what happens when you give the Venom movie a pass, Sony goes and does THIS shit.

[@criticalspectrum8383]

The funny thing is that Spider-Man is probably the only character to survive the video game takeover

[@jordanwhite352]

Here's the part that boggles my mind about these films and it's insane because it would be a very clever fan demanded thing that would actually make all of these ideas work, but the trade-off is that Sony would have to give a shit love and or care about the comics. In the comics recently, there's been an arc where Norman Osborne of the Green goblin has cured himself. Thanks to Peter, He now works for the adult Peters company and he has reformed himself as the gold goblin which is essentially a good guy version of the Green goblin that he used to be. 100% cured. He is not only struggling with this new change of heart but is also incredibly guilt-ridden as his entire terrible pass is come back to haunt him. At the end of no way home all the villains are cured of whatever issue that made them into a villain and were sent back to their timelines. The audience I believe would totally eat up a gold goblin movie starring William Dafoe the meme guy. Great actor that everyone loves playing a reformed Green goblin that is being now reverse mentorship by a retired Spider-Man in Tobey Maguire. Have all the other villains spur up in Toby's universe or crossover into it including venom and then have gold goblin with a potential because everything so desperate returning Toby Spider-Man as an older man Spider-Man against the sinister 6. Holy fucking shit. I would go see that. I know a ton of people that would go fucking see that. That's what they should have built this villain cinematic universe around. If they want a sequel like phase 2 have it were Toby unfortunately runs into the comics Superior Spider-Man ark either with doc Ock from a different universe or a different villain. Even though it sounds dumb on paper, a Spider-Man villain universe could work but it would only work if not only do the gold goblins storyline, but have it be a giant well acted nostalgia trip from the Spider-Man movies that started all of this. Is literally on a silver platter by Sony but Sony is too fucking arrogant and incompetent to ever try to do this because again they would have to actually like and engage in comic books which they never have done.

[@Whoreshach]

I like how the "El Muerto" spin off is so "muerto" that no one even talks about it anymore. That was one of the weirdest decisions to me.

[@uncannydcmarvelous5732]

Apparently despite Bad Bunny leaving the project, Sony still wants to continue with it.

[@TwinRiver100]

I kind of assume a lot of this is to build up that universe that Amy Pascal wanted to have circa 2014 or 2015, I forget, that would've had the whole Sinister Six movie. And would have this female superhero team made up of Spider-Man characters. I forget the roster. I think it was: Black Cat, Jackpot, Silver Sable, Spider-Woman (Jessica Drew) I forget who else. I have no idea how accurate this is. I think I recall first hearing about this around 2017 or so via one of those videos from Midnight's Edge. I think their source might've been the Sony hacks from 2014.

[@sathrielsatanson666]

Ah yes, Midnight's Edge. I remember watching them for a moment before realizing they are a group of TheQuarterings. But yes, it seems that they are just modifying sligjtly the ideas they had aeoubd the time of thw Amazing Spider Man movies.

[@TwinRiver100]

@@sathrielsatanson666 Yup.

[@secondgiygas4599]

Madam Web movie looked so hype in the trailer when I didn't know it was Madam Web and then I stopped caring

[@BerserkerCade77]

Heres an idea for a 4th movie: The Raid meets Spiderman. Basically it’s similar to the movie “The Raid” or “Dread”. In this movie. Spiderman is investigating a vigilante in Hells Kitchen. Tracks him down in an abandoned building. Peter tangles with vigilante Daredevil. However, they both realize they are both being hunted themselves. They soon find out that Kraven and his militia have been hired to take out both Spiderman and Daredevil. The building is rigged to trap both heroes inside. We can have a good dynamic between Peter and Matt. Also by the resolution you find out Kraven was hired by Kingpin.

[@LuisMedina1]

Boy do I hope Spider-Man 4 leans classic Spider-Man. Also tying up the previous movies' loose threads. Fighting Michael Keaton's Vulture and Michael Mando's Scorpion, maybe fighting Donald Glover's Prowler too and meeting the MCU's Miles Morales, getting a job at the Daily Bugle. Heck, throw in Vincent D'Onofrio's Kingpin, Jake Gyllenhaal's Mysterio and Bokeem Woodbine's Shocker for a fun Sinister Six-type villain team. Good ol' fashioned Spider-Man. Back to basics.

[@TwinRiver100]

3:10 i kind of assumed Dakota Johnson was supposed to be playing a later incarnation of Madame Web or something to that effect. i also was more familiar with the elderly blind version from the 90s show. But I thought i saw something about maybe a younger person taking up that mantle in the last decade or something. Thought maybe it was Julia Carpenter wearing a red leather jacket and red sunglasses that took up the mantle or something. Unsure. I haven't really read that section of Spider-Man, I think I might've skimmed some of the spiderverse stuff and thought I saw that. Or maybe I'm just mixing stuff up. 🤷‍♂

[@matthewmolina2706]

Idk Spider-Man 4 is going to lead into secret wars etc so their will be some multiverse stuff at least at the end. But hopefully keep in grounded and local to NYC for 80-90% probably get more set up for sinister 6

[@tomtudorweaver1078]

The thing that baffles me about these films is that they're based on characters who for the most part are too obscure to general audiences, so the only real audience is hardcore fans, but then Sony completely reshapes the characters to mostly being unrecognisable and lacking almost all of the appeal of the original characters, so there's no real audience for them. Like you said they shouldn't try to be like the MCU and instead should turn to being different kinds of films. They've got a bunch of villainous and morally questionable characters, some being straight forward criminals and other being the results of horrifying experiments or accidents. There's so much room there for unique types of films with varying genres, horror, sci-fi, thriller, drama, full-on character studies, heist movies, you name it. Plus plenty of Spider-Man's villains have origins which don't require Spider-Man to be present, so technically there is room for them to have a one-off story (aside from Venom's origin which I think is a big factor for the disconnect lots of people have with that version).

[@Gunnumn]

Its crazy to think that Madame Web has more in common with "Thats so Raven" than Spider-man

[@IM2OFU]

Just perfect takes, chefs kiss dude

[@louisduarte8763]

I have not seen one of thee Spider-Man-less Spider-Man spinoffs from Sony, and I don't intend to now. I don't want to encourage that behavior. I don't even know if they're set in the same universe as Amazing Spider-Man 1 & 2, or if they're in their own thing. What I want from a 4th MCU Spider-Man movie (I have no idea what they'll do, this is just my fan wish) is to keep teaming him up with more established MCU heroes, and for this one, Daredevil. To build up from that cameo with Matt Murdock in No Way Home, and to team up against The Kingpin. For a 5th one, I'd team-up Spidey with The Hulk. Don't know which villain of villains yet.

[@uncannydcmarvelous5732]

Word around last days says that Sony still wants Multiverse stuff on the fourth Spider-Holland movie. So much for "urban street trilogy" for Holland's Spidey :v

[@sasamichan]

its sort of a case of 1 These bad guys are known from the comics , the work with Spiderman because that is how they are introduced 2 people don't know who these are because they don't read comics and don't watch cartoons so they need the character set up 3 You don't need Spiderman to set them up. You can bounce them off of Blade or Fantastic Four or X-men or Avengers or Dare Devil or Punisher or Ghost Rider but a lot of them don't work on there own. 4. Some characters have one certain image, gender, race, age that comic fans see them as and while non-comic readers won't get it, comic fans will be heavily distracted if a character has just all the wrong parts. We ID characters quickly and if you change that it takes us out. 5. Some times its better to just have people exist and not need a reason. We don't want the main character of a story to be evil and we don't want a bad guy to be sympathetic we just need them to be a threat. giving each character there own movie is a thing we do for the Audience who is mostly wealthy good looking people who follow sports and news papers and consider cartoons and comics beneath them and only read novels and see illustrations as for kids and cartoons as nonsense. These moves are not for the comic fan who grew up on cartoons and never gave up cartoons and knows these characters and dresses as them and memorized there trivial facts. If they were the audience we could skip introductions and get right to the fight. the world is run by people who don't own TVs and consider fun beneath them, out grown. They need exposition. and its ruled by a world that believes every one is human and relatable and not evil and needs a hug and forgiveness and they don't want to accept that some people are just unforgivably evil for no reason and need to die. and we live in a world where Death is a happy ending. Not jail time followed by getting out of jail. Thats why we have Cruella, Maleficent, Darth Vader, Boba Fet, Magneto, Deadpool, Storm Shadow, Nick Furry, Solo, Black Widow, Mufasa, Wolverine, Gambit, Steel, Cat Woman, Constantine, Black Addam, Vixen, Joker, All these side characters getting there own story. Some times people just need to look cool and exist. they don't need an origin. They don't need to be explained. They just need to show up. its also important to remember if a character has an iconic part that they start with it rather then earn it at the end

[@owenleal]

The fact that every single superhero franchise rn is doing a multiverse is one of the most painfully transparent things Ive ever seen and it kinda makes me sick. Spiderverse was cool because it was unique. Now suddenly we have all these copycats following suit, utterly devoid of creativity just trying to muscle in on the hype of that plot element. It reminds me of when botw came out and it had that cel shaded artstyle that really popped and then every other videogame wanted to have a cel shaded art style too.

[@SackyIRE]

They have the perfect way to have multiple Spider-men in their own universe, just introduce Ben Reilly and Kaine Parker. I think you could make a great mystery following them finding out that they're clones and the original Peter Parker disappeared/retired/dead

[@jamoretz9149]

Can't do the clones without Peter, and plus do you really see Tom Holland pulling of Kaine.

[@diegolaradiaz8948]

​@@jamoretz9149who said they have to use Holland in their own universe? They could easily use another actor for their own universe

[@jamoretz9149]

@@diegolaradiaz8948 that's true they could but then why the venom cut scene if not to use Tom

[@user-fm6no9el3f]

They should've made a Superior Foes of Spider-Man TV show. I would pay money to see that.

[@greayworks7232]

You know what they say, throw everything to the wall and eventually in ten years the internet will be weirdly nostalgic for it

[@ailon92]

Yes to everything. I really hope that Spider-Man 4 ist a more grounded movie. They can make crazy multiverse-stuff in Spider-Man 5 again or in Beyond the Spiderverse. But please make Spider-Man 4 a grounded streetlevel Spiderman-Movie again.